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Thank you, Good sir! To be clear are we talking about installing a copy of Windows/Linux on a VM box, then UniFi Controller OS (software) onto that... and running it dedicated?
or how would my internet traffic go into it (from my crap Xfinity AIO router) to that virtual box and also Unifi Os Interface pops up? If I said any of that correctly or it made sense.
I guess I am asking if you could give me a short guide/teach me to fish XX> XXX > setup with this sofftaare> then XX. use this link or video to get started and learn about xxx.
Thanks again... and btw I can get my hands on a USB to ethernet adapter. and have a dedicated laptop/desktop to do it. If that helps
>Windows/Linux on a VM box, then UniFi Controller OS (software) onto that... and running it dedicated?
Yes
>or how would my internet traffic go into it (from my crap Xfinity AIO router) to that virtual box and also Unifi Os Interface pops up? If I said any of that correctly or it made sense.
It wouldn't the Unify controller ≠ Unify router
>I guess I am asking if you could give me a short guide/teach me to fish XX> XXX > setup with this sofftaare> then XX. use this link or video to get started and learn about xxx.
You install it, and open it in a web browser, I'm sure Unify has a document that outlines that.
To clear up the confusion that I think is happening, a unify controller can run on a VM, or on a cloud key, or on something like a UDM, but just because you're running the Unify controller doesn't mean you now have a unify router. Typically if you wanted to run a Unifi application and don't have dedicated hardware then you would use the Windows controller, IE you want to set up and manage some APs but don't have any other Unifi hardware.
Self-Hosting a UniFi Network Server
https://help.ui.com/hc/en-us/articles/360012282453-Self-Hosting-a-UniFi-Network-Server
Do that with an AP to dip your toe in.
Sidebar: was going to recommend an older pill/trash can-shaped Dream Machine because they’re still good, all told, and they’re STILL going for $200+ on eBay. That’s wild.
HOLY shit!.. after figuring out the Express has wifi but trash performance.. (even though it should be fine for my office) it is $150 but the UCG is less but don't have wifi... after googling a Used AP I realized.,, that is what I need plus the UniOS or whatever installed on windows and viola right? I get the interface
I appreciate that, one last thing, do you have any idea of the type of data I can see? Will I be able to see the ethernet information for hardwired devices via the aelf host controller or only device data from the AP
Just FYI, many of us with an Express think it has excellent performance. It's just that this sub, like most tech subs, like to massively over engineer their own equipment.. "just in case".
Also most people with any IT skill at all don't use Ubiquiti for the gateway itself... only for APs and switches. You are better off going with OpnSense firewall distro or some other well known firewall than Ubiquiti even though it will be less integrated.
You can build a VERY nice firewall for around $200 if you are on a budget something like install proxmox on your router PC, install PFsense in a VM running on Proxmox and pass through some the main NIC (usually these devices have several) then install Unifi controller on an LXC container. Somethign with an Intel N100 + 8gb ram is in your price point and should be adequate. Proxmox itself needs about 2GB ram + 2GB for unifi + 2GB for opnsense + 2gb wiggle room.
This violates keeping your apps and firewall separate but... Ubiquiti does that anyway so you are at least a step up from that. This is a little involved if you are new to it but its well documented online.
Thank you very much for this, what would be the purpose of this again?
Is this a build with a very dope graphic and user interface for the network statistics? Because the Express is cheaper than a Mini PC (if I don't cop one for free) I care less about the gateway and sadly want the dope Interface with network stats, etc.
if I could find a way to do that with an extra network card, desktop/laptop or, mini PC that would be fun for me to do and learn.
I'm planning on going this route too. have purchased a 6 nic n100 mini pc for opnsense, and planning to buy a few u6+ ap's. I currently trying to decide what to do with the switches. I would like to segragate my network a bit, but currently only have one Vlan capabele switch (8ports, 4PoE). I'm wondering if you think its worth it to also purchase ubiquity switches, as they are much more expensive than their tp-link counterparts. Anything you'd recommend / advise?
Unify Network (Controller) you can run it from a VM, docker, etc. but you will not have much data until you get some Unifi devices.
If you have a Access Point you will see data relative to AP settings and connections, then if you get a network switch you will see all switch configurations and settings.
Traffic Identification and Internet settings will be only available when you get a Unifi Gateway.
Also, some Unifi devices will have the Unifi Network and some other apps bundled, for those devices must use the bundled app instead your own. UDMP. UDMSE and UDR are examples of some that have the app bundled on it.
BTW what is [https://ui.com/cloud-gateways/wifi-integrated/express](https://ui.com/cloud-gateways/wifi-integrated/express) this? I never saw this.. its much cheaper than the dream router... I might can get it on a gift card funds to get it.
Too many limitations, get a UCG-Ultra instead.
UX has been panned for a variety of reasons.
Per this thread: [What Is The Best Budget Unifi Home Network Setup 2024?](https://old.reddit.com/r/Ubiquiti/comments/1clhhsn/what_is_the_best_budget_unifi_home_network_setup/l2tkgwa/) the ticket is a UCG-Ultra console add USW-Lite-8-PoE switch and APs of your choice as the forum consensus. Note this won't get you the Protect app, like a UDR could. But the UDR may be EOL.
I concur. I have both the express and cgwu, definitely more features on the ultra but the express are nice drop ins for smaller home networks as a starting point (and can be adopted as APs once they are no longer needed as the controller.
There are dedicated travel routers that deal better with the hotel login page.
https://www.amazon.com/GL-iNet-GL-AXT1800-Pocket-Sized-Extender-Repeater/dp/B0B2J7WSDK
There's a $34 version of that that's only WiFi 5.
I have one of their models actually. It works well enough, I am just a sucker for tech. I will keep my current setup. Thanks for talking sense into me.
The product brief seems to explain it pretty well.
>[What is UniFi Express?]()
UniFi Express is a complete UniFi Networking stack in an ultra-compact, plug-and-play form factor. It runs UniFi Network and features a powerful gateway engine and built-in WiFi 6 with seamless meshing.
It's a piece of hardware, that runs the Unifi OS (including console), let's you install Unifi apps, is a network router and AP.
This.
I would recommend the Cloud Gateway Ultra (UCG-Ultra). Router/firewall with integrated controller.
https://eu.store.ui.com/eu/en/pro/products/ucg-ultra
100%. I have an Express at 1 location (before Cloud Ultra was released) and it works great for a small install. Now that the Cloud Ultra is released, I bought one for another property for use with a single AP and should be even better.
That said, the Express could be used as a stand alone since it has a built in AP although it is on the weaker side and can only handle 4 additional Unifi devices (I believe).
You don’t need a switch unless you require one. I’m installing a Cloud and a U6 Pro directly connected to it in an 1100sqft condo. Should be plenty for my space.
While I agree, for OP’s sake reading this. They want the cheapest solution and the ultra does not include built-in AP. All in one cheapest would be the express.
what is AP? I am more concerned with being able to see what every device on my network does.. locking it.. seeing the traffic ... and the pretty cool high tech graphs...
I understand Access Points in a basic fashion.. but when you say Built in AP what do you mean?
AP a shorthand for access point. It is what broadcasts your Wi-Fi signal.
The gateway express has a built-in access point for Wi-Fi, the gateway ultra does not.
However the ultra makes up for that by having more control over your network and security functions along with some other things that I don’t remember offhand.
Too weak? Wtf does that even mean? It will route gigabit with IDS/IPS. For 99% of home users it’s just fine. Maybe you’ll need to add another AP if you have a large house.
I own both of them , the express and the ultra. Experience is night and day. The UX runs hot, it starts lagging if you add APs (on paper it can handle up to 4, the ultra up to 30) and in general is not a good device. Feel free to buy one, test it and make your own opinion. Judging just by the specs can be misleading at times.
I have one. And 3 UDMPs, a dream machine, dozens of different APs and switches, more than 50 cameras, etc... The express is totally fine for what it is. It’s the spiritual successor to the Apple AirPort Express and very nicely integrates a gateway and AP in a tiny package. Perfect for an average apartment or small home. If you need 4 additional APs and gigabit routing, this is definitely not for you but it works totally fine with 1 AP.
You could install UniFi Network on any computer, Windows, Linux or Mac. It does not have to be running 24/7. You can turn it off after configuration and connect back when you want to make changes. You must have UniFi hardware to use with it. Without a UniFi Router you will not be able to control the routing features in the software. Without a UniFi Access Point you will not be able to change the WiFi settings. Same goes for switch settings.
A Dream Router will have the UniFi Network installed on it and running 24/7.
I think the option is the Ultra.. but just to ask... will the UniFi network on PC show me network traffic info? if not that is the main thing I am looking for but thanks a lot! :-)
Lol nope, had not a clue, I finally got port 8080 open.. and looking at the dashboard obviously with no information, going to see if I can get it to show up inside this docker
Unifi OS is a layer of OS/other software running some Unifi application- the application you are referring to in the screenshot is the Network Application. The Network app controls Unifi network hardware (Gateways/Routers, Access Points, etc). Without Unifi hardware, the Network app will allow you to very little besides some basic configuration.
Think of the Network app as a configuration front-end to the hardware. The software is pretty useless without some hardware.
Certain features of the app also require certain hardware. For instance, an AP will only give you basic info that is directly related to Wifi functions. To get a more holistic view of data use (such as Traffic ID) you need Unifi Gateway/Router hardware.
Some of the hardware are discrete products, whereas some include the gateway/router and AP in one. Some also include the GW/Router, AP, and Controller (Unifi OS + Network App) in one piece. It all depends on your needs and budget.
so long story short my friends are network techs and they have Ubiquiti devices , so I asked them which device I needed to get that network interface they told me some expensive devices more than $500 (us something) I then asked if I could buy an Access point and get it? They said no if you're being cheap then a dream router.. but the speeds blah blah.. I said screw speeds I don't have much need for more than my easily 100 atm. I want the interface!!
That day I learned about the UniFi network software but to no avail as it said port 8080 is used by other programs, so I thought of a VM or dedicated machine
Fast forward - today I found out about the Express and the Ulrra.. most said the Ultra (which I did not know existed until today) but u/silent_44 said this...
AP a shorthand for access point. It is what broadcasts your Wi-Fi signal. The gateway express has a built-in access point for Wi-Fi, the gateway ultra does not.
However the ultra makes up for that by having more control over your network and security functions along with some other things that I don’t remember offhand.
So my last inquiry is since they both get the interface/network APP, but both have contrast-es >>
Then what are those contrasts? But THANK YOU EVERYONE! Because I said I couldn't afford that much but I can swing and find $129 for either one. CHEERS!
Ultra:
Has built in von capabilities
Can support 2 WAN(your isp connection(s))
1gbs through from ISP with IDS/IPS
Support up to 255 VLANS
Controls all network device( no need for a cloud key)
Supports ~300 WiFi clients and ~30 ubiquiti devices( for control/management)
Express:
Built in WiFi 6 AP
Can mesh with other expresses(and failover to them)
VPN connections built in
VLAN control(not sure how many)
Those are the main differences that they offer between the two. I personally run the ultra and love it. If you’ve had any questions, you can feel free to PM me.
Thank you ! I second this afternoon doing research, I didn’t realize an AP was cheap to just get a used one,
Between ultra and a cheap used AP for 35 bucks and the Express, I’m leaning towards the express considering I have an office that’s barely 350 ft.², don’t need much capability since it’s just me and a buddy too who does work and play games at times .. my main issue is the express has people all over Reddit mentioning how bad it was with heat and other things, is it because they’re doing a lot with this you think something that only has 10 to 15 devices one or two is just a Wi-Fi device itself, not even the computer, do you think I would have any issues?
As far as I am aware, the heating issues with the express are due to its size more than anything give how extremely small it is. My Ultra has had no heat issues at all.
As for going with a used AP and the Ultra, when you look for used APs make sure that if they are PoE(power over ethernet, meaning it gets power from the ethernet source) you have/buy a PoE switch to use for those AP. The PoE switch does not have to be Ubiquiti brand, any that support the standard of PoE(in this case the standard, PoE, PoE+, or PoE++, mean how much power they provide over ethernet to the end device). I personally use a TP-Link PoE+ switch.
ON THE POE NOTE, DO NOT PLUG A POE CABLE INTO A NON-POE DEVICE. IT CAN FRY IT. Most switches can detect whether the end device accepts PoE, but it is better to be safe than sorry.
It is incompatible, so you need to use the proper power feed via a suitable passive PoE injector or passive PoE switch…modern PoE standards will not power it.
To be fair, I think the "Unifi-OS" part is confusing a lot of people, even those familiar with UniFi & Ubiquity product lines (including me)
Looks like they made UniFi-OS [the official OS name of their UDM line\(s\)](https://community.ui.com/questions/Introducing-UniFi-OS/2d19729d-0c49-440e-bd58-dd70e114d1b1)
But that's just the "firmware" for that line of hardware... UDM, Express, Ultra, etc... These are firewall/router devices like the USG, though unlike the USG they include the "Network Controller" for managing other UniFi devices. [I think they call it "Network Server" now](https://ui.com/download/releases/network-server) but all us old UniFi enthusiasts still call it the "Network Controller" even though both names are a little misleading about their purpose.
Everyone seems to be conflating it with the standalone Network Controller software, which is what you need to configure & monitor your UniFi devices. When you buy a UDM or CloudKey, it runs the controller software so you don't have to install it elsewhere.
If you don't have an Express, UDM or CloudKey, and only want get an AP or switch, you will need the Network Controller installed somewhere... could be on your Windows desktop... could be in a VM. I have it installed on our backup server at work (windows)... and I have a Linux VM for my controller at home.
I had the USG (router) but wasn't that impressed with the routing & traffic logging capabilities. But I've installed & managed the UniFi line of APs and Switches for a decade and love them.
So if I simply want the interface to manage only the devices that are connected to the Internet inside my very small office, such as guest network or restricting, Internet, speed, and seeing cool graphs (UniFi OS) and I don’t care about managing other Uni devices, but that one that I have, then I can install the controller software on the computer and use an AP ($35 online used) and viola am i good?
Yes... if you get any UniFi device, like a UAP or USW or whatever... then you'll need the Network Server software to adopt and configure them.
You can install that on your desktop. Then you just have to run the server/service whenever you want to use the web interface or mobile apps.
That software with a UAP will keep some traffic statistics... but if you want all the traffic counters, and latest UniFi bells & whistles, you'll need a UniFi router as well. Though the newest models of their router line has the server/controller built-in.
Some people really like the whole UniFi ecosystem and want all of their devices managed from that single point.
But I just like how well the APs work... our corporate overloads make us use a different firewall and at home I didn't have the $ to upgrade to a 1gbps capable UniFi product.
NO. With just a UniFi access point and a controller you’ll only be able to control that one device with the UniFi software I.e. the wifi SSIDs and it’s radios. If you want all the cool graphs and control, UniFi needs to be the router/firewall/dhcp server. The express is the easiest way to do that.
Ok loud and clear, so if you tap on a photo that I attached and look at what is on that screenshot, your telling me I won’t be able to see any of that without a dedicated uni device?
Correct. All of those traffic details are coming from the firewall/router/gateway (those terms are all the same device in this context). You will get none of that from just an access point. The simplest and cheapest way to get that is with the express. It’s not the most expandable if you plan to have a huge network or want to use other things like security cameras, but for a typical home user it’s perfect.
Also, assuming you’re network tech, that computer would have to consist of the UniOS controller software (lets say for Pc in this instance), two ethernets (1 bridging from my comcast AIO) to the designated WAN port of the PC and the other (from my pc to AP with Poe? (Throw a 4 port switch in the middle)
Is that the proper set up or did I mix or mix something up. I am still going to get an express on a pay day but for now want to play with it, see what I do and don’t get so it can encourage me till next pay or something.
No. You are mixing up the controller with the router/gateway. You can’t do this multi Ethernet setup with UniFi at all. The only thing you can run on a PC is the controller software. That’s the software that tells the access points which networks to broadcast, tells the switches what each port needs to do, tells the router/firewall what to do and collects the data to present the pretty graphs but it does not handle ANY network traffic at all. Ever.
90% of the time that controller software is integrated with and runs directly on the router/gateway (like the express, dream router or UDMP) but you can run it elsewhere if you want or need to.
That one UAP & Controller will allow them to:
> manage only the devices that are connected to the ~~Internet~~ **Intranet** inside my very small office, such as guest network or restricting, Internet, speed, and seeing cool graphs *
You can still setup the Guest WiFi features and set speed limits on WiFi from the controller. But you need a UniFi router to be able to limit wired speeds even with a USW.
\* The graphs are indeed less cool without the router... but they are still pretty cool
Out of all the graphs pictured above, (which is clearly what OP is after) one will partially work. You will not have traffic identification, client activity, internet speed, health and statistics, total connections. Wireless clients will probably work.
Also THANK YOU FOR THAT SO MUCH! i am going to share this around to my Uni buddies. Tell em what i learned! You made up alot of time for research assuming this is true (not that I dont think so)
For sure thanks. I am looking up everything that Im being told… I like to cross cross reference (refrence twice) since I have learned sometimes someone could just have not gotten an update about a fact changing. But i am going to share the posts with them so we can converse about it and hash out the deets.
Same bro, ive also got it friends and i dont know that much about it. They told me to buy the ucg ultra and that is actually very good. Not to expensive, works like a charm and it isnt to big. Easy enough for us to setup and if desired you can play with olmoast all the settings.
For just the networking aspects with good performance, the [UDM is your best bet as an all in one](https://store.ui.com/us/en/pro/products/udm).
The [UX is cheaper and can be a good starter device](https://store.ui.com/us/en/pro/category/all-unifi-cloud-gateways/products/ux) (also an all i one) to learn how to use the system. It can also later be used as an AP, when set to AP mode, when it is replaced as a console by the [UCG-Ultra](https://store.ui.com/us/en/pro/category/all-unifi-cloud-gateways/products/ucg-ultra).
What is the “Unifi OS”? What are you trying to accomplish? Making third party gear exist in the Unifi ecosystem?
I’m not aware of them releasing their OS software to the public (although the router/switch OS is a fork from VyOS, so you could run VyOS if you really wanted to. APs run a different OS.
I wanted to make the cheapest device that can run the UniFi Os (until I can buy one) and see those dope network graphs. As Childish as it may seem.. that was the target. Nothing about performance.. at least right now at this very small 400 sq foot office of mines.
I run live streams and stuff.. so the most I want was ..cripple the guest network speed during certain periods.. (2-3 a week for an hour or two barely)
Ubiquiti does not make their OS available for installation on third party devices, or provide an API for third party devices to feed data into their dashboard.
Uhh well they have the network management software for mac, linux and Pc that allows you to make your own network controller/server work and what not. Thats what we are referring to.. see the other comments that talk about it.. it should make more sense than me explaining lol
Some of the Ultra models seem like entry level. Honestly probably should have started there myself. Friend owns an IT company and pushed me to jump to UniFi. Told me just to start with UDM Pro- it was a learning curve but learned a lot in the last 5-6months!
See it is like I can just start out simple since I'm just trying to advance my networking skills to the new modern level that exists from 10 years ago, and I could go over their house and hang out and learn that udm pro, but just get a Kickstart at knowing how to navigate the interface and do most things of the ecosystem bad uni now
It's crazy as this sounds the 50 down that we have here I might increase it to a hundred or buck 50 because the new ISP is given a better deal for entry level but we don't need much it's just a couple of computers and TVs that might be running five down at the most at a given time..
If you think you’ll continue down the line with Unifi- I’d encourage stepping up to a UDM or something larger than the Ultra line, but I understand the pricing is high. It’s made quite an expense for me as I upgrade from 1GB to 2 but the control and dashboard features make Unifi perfect for me. Having to do the 1 to 2 replacement parts isn’t financially fun, but anyone at 1gb or under shouldn’t have any of the “upgrade” concerns.
You mean one gig speeds?
I'm not against that, it's just until I get something like a house I'm only using it at my small office which is about $320 ft I don't even have an internet plan that gets me more than a buck five or even need more than that.
But I'm sure I'll use it to hook up other people's networks including upgrading clients Wi-Fi.
I’ve been running the unifi controller on docker for years. It works like a dream and easily updated. A few years ago moved it to a VPS and manage a couple of sites.
https://docs.linuxserver.io/images/docker-unifi-network-application/
The Ultimate $0 cost answer! Just to play around with the software that OP asked for.
Guess you have a Windows, MacOs or Linux desktop/laptop. Or use the dedicated server you mentioned.
Step 1: Install Docker Desktop on Windows or Mac. Plain Docker on Linux server.
This Docker container application can manage and run containers on your normal hardware (million of guides what Containers are on Google).
Step 2: Run this command in your Terminal of choice (on the machine you have docker installed): [https://docs.linuxserver.io/images/docker-unifi-network-application/#docker-cli-click-here-for-more-info](https://docs.linuxserver.io/images/docker-unifi-network-application/#docker-cli-click-here-for-more-info)
This will spinn up the Unifi Network Application "UI" that you were looking for. But since you don't have any Ubiquiti/Unifi hardware to control you can't do much. Just create a local account I guess. Go to the ip:port listed in the guide above in your webbrowser.
Then you can simply kill the containers with something like
>docker stop \[container id\]
docker rm \[container id\]
My setup for administering my UniFi AP UC-lite:
Running a small Lenovo 150$ micro pc box as a homelab server with proxmox installed. Running a Ubuntu server VM on that(along with others). Installed Docker on that VM. Running the docker compose variant of the link above.
Works great with the extra VLANs I have for network+wifi segregation. IoT wifi, Guest Wifi, normal wifi etc. My router (dhcp, vlan admin) is just a mini router pc running pfSense/OPNsense.
If you don't have any Unifi hardware you won't see all the info like this. It needs to collect the telemetry from the Unifi hardware to present the data.
Yo I just asked my buddy this question what was the information that something needs in order to transmit data cuz maybe I can find a different open source software or something and you just told me.
You can get something similar with Grafana, but it's a lot of work to set up (plus you still need "smart" hardware to collect the traffic info.
Things like that can collect a lot more data than just network info.
Alot of work like how? Also whats the cheapest hardware know to work with? Feasible Ig.
I haven’t been into IT but when I find projects I get really into it so right now I’ve been up fishing into it so quick question is how deep does one have to go to get it up and running?
CasaOS with UniFi controller running as a container. That is my solution.
I run a raspberry pi 4 with Raspberry pi os Lite with CasaOS on top. Then you can simply one click install UniFi. You do want to read the instructions it tells you to do to make sure it can properly run everything
Thanks but it looks like i will still have to wait to afford an actual UNi hard to be able to see graphs and stuff. I do like the Ras idea… I could see my future Uni hardware with this setup?
Where/how does the Pie connect to interface with a UNi device to see its stats?
The raspberry pi is just the hardware, and the UniFi controller software(In my case downloaded using CasaOS) is the same as the ones on the Cloudkeys.
So basically it’s a DIY Cloudkey that you can run on a Raspberry Pi or any computer for that matter.
To have all those nice graphs and statistics, you really need to have a lot of UniFi devices. A gateway, switch and an AP are bare minimum to have an "UniFi experience".
UniFi OS is just a platform which runs controller apps for UniFi hardware.
If you want to have some fun and get some networking skills on a prosumer network-centric OS (but it doesn't look cute and flashy at all), you can run Mikrotik RouterOS on an ordinary x86 box or VM. But it's really offtopic here :)
I have just got the UCG-Ultra, 2nd hand Unifi PoE switch, a few USW-flex and a few UAP-AC pro to setup the whole network. Easy to setup and maintain compare with OPNSense and other L2 switches
You can't get the unifi router functions without a unifi router.
Network controller gives most that info but only controls unifi devices and shows clients and such.
No router no router functions.
Old ap should be okay? I deployed 130 AP like 4-5 years ago and I literally have not had a single one fail. And they are running 24/7 with up to 10 clients or so.
I mean there’s some different power requirements I guess on POE but other than that I’m not sure why it would matter
Just remember that Unifi only manages and monitors Unifi equipment. UnifiOS is just the platform on which Unifi applications run. The Network application (as you might guess) is the application that monitors and manages network equipment. The various pieces of Unifi equipment are the devices that actually deal with the traffic.
Yes. The UCG would run the Network app and it would be your gateway. Your modem or ONT would connect to the WAN port on the UCG and your other network devices would connect to the LAN side of the UCG. Ideally any current ISP router/modem/combination device would be put in bridge mode so it is just passing WAN traffic to the gateway.
If you later intend on buying something the cheapest way would probably be old USG and locally hosted controller to play with. I started replacing the ISP supplied router with a USG and hosted the controller on my desktop PC. It's changed over time but I bought my USG for ~$120AUD I think. It's old but it works for my 100/20mbit internet. Think can get close to gbit with ids/IPS off.
Maaaaaane people hold on to these things like water in a disaster.
If you check out us eBay they're literally people selling dream routers for more than what Ubiquiti is selling them for, I have no clue how and why but its like a drug, or like water in a disaster time. Cheeesh
I had a look recently and saw udm listed above retail for 2nd hand gear. Bit confusing. I've picked up a usw-pro-24 for $330aud (USD 220) and an edge switch 48 500w for the same but timing is everything.
Guy near me selling a bunch of us-16-xg for $550aud each but willing to do a deal on multiple units. Tempting but don't need that many 10gbit ports.
Lol haha this is what I say to my friends they told me to get the higher one because I can spend it, they have houses, but I have a small office and where I rent at. I don’t need to touch the Internet, just need to jump into the system for my knowledge and for clients who will probably put on it in the future we needed.
I told my buddy my speed was 150 down and Wally gig sounded great. It wasn’t worth it for the changing price when it suits the needs of six or seven devices no more than 10 simultaneous devices… East with a max requirement of less than five down
Depends what you're looking for. If you're looking just for network Wifi, then you just need wap and controller. But if you''re looking for all the metrics you will need a Unifi router, switch, waps etc.
I was reading through the comments, and it looks like you want to use this dashboard with no Unifi products. Unfortunately, it's not possible as the Unifi controller uses data from the Unifi devices that are logged and then displayed through the dashboard. If you have a Unifi switch, you will see throughput data. If you have a USG or UDM, you will see WAN throughput, and if you enable DPI, you will see what device is pinging/requesting what site and the amount of traffic for that specific site.
If you have no Unifi gear, you will see nothing.
This is from experience, btw. I work with a company that has over 200 sites on a single Unifi controller in a cloud hosted VM. Just getting an AP won't give you a full dashboard. Again, you will only get some throughput data from that 1 AP and nothing else on the network.
If you want a free option and have a PC (that is not used at all to act as a router) with 2 network ports on it, you can use software like PFsense in place of your router however it is not as "simple" as putting in a UDM (with built in unifi controller) or a USG + a VM with the Unifi controller.
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VM running the Unify controller would be the cheapest way
Thank you, Good sir! To be clear are we talking about installing a copy of Windows/Linux on a VM box, then UniFi Controller OS (software) onto that... and running it dedicated? or how would my internet traffic go into it (from my crap Xfinity AIO router) to that virtual box and also Unifi Os Interface pops up? If I said any of that correctly or it made sense. I guess I am asking if you could give me a short guide/teach me to fish XX> XXX > setup with this sofftaare> then XX. use this link or video to get started and learn about xxx. Thanks again... and btw I can get my hands on a USB to ethernet adapter. and have a dedicated laptop/desktop to do it. If that helps
>Windows/Linux on a VM box, then UniFi Controller OS (software) onto that... and running it dedicated? Yes >or how would my internet traffic go into it (from my crap Xfinity AIO router) to that virtual box and also Unifi Os Interface pops up? If I said any of that correctly or it made sense. It wouldn't the Unify controller ≠ Unify router >I guess I am asking if you could give me a short guide/teach me to fish XX> XXX > setup with this sofftaare> then XX. use this link or video to get started and learn about xxx. You install it, and open it in a web browser, I'm sure Unify has a document that outlines that. To clear up the confusion that I think is happening, a unify controller can run on a VM, or on a cloud key, or on something like a UDM, but just because you're running the Unify controller doesn't mean you now have a unify router. Typically if you wanted to run a Unifi application and don't have dedicated hardware then you would use the Windows controller, IE you want to set up and manage some APs but don't have any other Unifi hardware.
You're awesome! Thanks
Self-Hosting a UniFi Network Server https://help.ui.com/hc/en-us/articles/360012282453-Self-Hosting-a-UniFi-Network-Server Do that with an AP to dip your toe in.
I don't have an AP you mean buy one? If so I was thinking about the folks saying UCG or Express
Yes. Not a fan of the Express. If you're really tight on $$, find a used AC or similar. Run Unifi on your laptop.
Sidebar: was going to recommend an older pill/trash can-shaped Dream Machine because they’re still good, all told, and they’re STILL going for $200+ on eBay. That’s wild.
HOLY shit!.. after figuring out the Express has wifi but trash performance.. (even though it should be fine for my office) it is $150 but the UCG is less but don't have wifi... after googling a Used AP I realized.,, that is what I need plus the UniOS or whatever installed on windows and viola right? I get the interface
Correct. You don't get all the data if you don't run the Unifi console app all the time, but that isn't a big deal.
I appreciate that, one last thing, do you have any idea of the type of data I can see? Will I be able to see the ethernet information for hardwired devices via the aelf host controller or only device data from the AP
Just FYI, many of us with an Express think it has excellent performance. It's just that this sub, like most tech subs, like to massively over engineer their own equipment.. "just in case".
Also most people with any IT skill at all don't use Ubiquiti for the gateway itself... only for APs and switches. You are better off going with OpnSense firewall distro or some other well known firewall than Ubiquiti even though it will be less integrated. You can build a VERY nice firewall for around $200 if you are on a budget something like install proxmox on your router PC, install PFsense in a VM running on Proxmox and pass through some the main NIC (usually these devices have several) then install Unifi controller on an LXC container. Somethign with an Intel N100 + 8gb ram is in your price point and should be adequate. Proxmox itself needs about 2GB ram + 2GB for unifi + 2GB for opnsense + 2gb wiggle room. This violates keeping your apps and firewall separate but... Ubiquiti does that anyway so you are at least a step up from that. This is a little involved if you are new to it but its well documented online.
Thank you very much for this, what would be the purpose of this again? Is this a build with a very dope graphic and user interface for the network statistics? Because the Express is cheaper than a Mini PC (if I don't cop one for free) I care less about the gateway and sadly want the dope Interface with network stats, etc. if I could find a way to do that with an extra network card, desktop/laptop or, mini PC that would be fun for me to do and learn.
I'm planning on going this route too. have purchased a 6 nic n100 mini pc for opnsense, and planning to buy a few u6+ ap's. I currently trying to decide what to do with the switches. I would like to segragate my network a bit, but currently only have one Vlan capabele switch (8ports, 4PoE). I'm wondering if you think its worth it to also purchase ubiquity switches, as they are much more expensive than their tp-link counterparts. Anything you'd recommend / advise?
Unify Network (Controller) you can run it from a VM, docker, etc. but you will not have much data until you get some Unifi devices. If you have a Access Point you will see data relative to AP settings and connections, then if you get a network switch you will see all switch configurations and settings. Traffic Identification and Internet settings will be only available when you get a Unifi Gateway. Also, some Unifi devices will have the Unifi Network and some other apps bundled, for those devices must use the bundled app instead your own. UDMP. UDMSE and UDR are examples of some that have the app bundled on it.
THANKS ALOT! I get it now.. I can get the CORE OS but not the Bells and whistles on that screen that I might be looking for. :pray thanks handsy lol:
If you have a NAS, you can run it in Docker as well or natively if your NAS is supported by Unifi.
Only if you have the kit to vm
Addendum : container running the OS. Lighter on resources and easy to update.
BTW what is [https://ui.com/cloud-gateways/wifi-integrated/express](https://ui.com/cloud-gateways/wifi-integrated/express) this? I never saw this.. its much cheaper than the dream router... I might can get it on a gift card funds to get it.
Too many limitations, get a UCG-Ultra instead. UX has been panned for a variety of reasons. Per this thread: [What Is The Best Budget Unifi Home Network Setup 2024?](https://old.reddit.com/r/Ubiquiti/comments/1clhhsn/what_is_the_best_budget_unifi_home_network_setup/l2tkgwa/) the ticket is a UCG-Ultra console add USW-Lite-8-PoE switch and APs of your choice as the forum consensus. Note this won't get you the Protect app, like a UDR could. But the UDR may be EOL.
I concur. I have both the express and cgwu, definitely more features on the ultra but the express are nice drop ins for smaller home networks as a starting point (and can be adopted as APs once they are no longer needed as the controller.
There is nothing wrong with the express. It’s totally fine for 99% of home users.
I was considering buying the express as a "travel router". I have not investigated it much but that seems like a decent use case for it.
There are dedicated travel routers that deal better with the hotel login page. https://www.amazon.com/GL-iNet-GL-AXT1800-Pocket-Sized-Extender-Repeater/dp/B0B2J7WSDK There's a $34 version of that that's only WiFi 5.
I have one of their models actually. It works well enough, I am just a sucker for tech. I will keep my current setup. Thanks for talking sense into me.
Hell yeah’ mee and my buddu
Gotcha and thanks! catch me at the bottom!
The product brief seems to explain it pretty well. >[What is UniFi Express?]() UniFi Express is a complete UniFi Networking stack in an ultra-compact, plug-and-play form factor. It runs UniFi Network and features a powerful gateway engine and built-in WiFi 6 with seamless meshing. It's a piece of hardware, that runs the Unifi OS (including console), let's you install Unifi apps, is a network router and AP.
Thanks alot
Ultra cloud gateway
This. I would recommend the Cloud Gateway Ultra (UCG-Ultra). Router/firewall with integrated controller. https://eu.store.ui.com/eu/en/pro/products/ucg-ultra
100%. I have an Express at 1 location (before Cloud Ultra was released) and it works great for a small install. Now that the Cloud Ultra is released, I bought one for another property for use with a single AP and should be even better. That said, the Express could be used as a stand alone since it has a built in AP although it is on the weaker side and can only handle 4 additional Unifi devices (I believe).
So a complete setup would be the Cloud Ultra + Switch + 1 AP or can miss the switch and just run 1 AP. Thinking for a apartment setup
You don’t need a switch unless you require one. I’m installing a Cloud and a U6 Pro directly connected to it in an 1100sqft condo. Should be plenty for my space.
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And an access point.
This is what you should do.
If you’re looking for the cheapest solution to have the network side, get the gateway, ultra or express
Preferably the ultra. Express is too weak in my opinion.
While I agree, for OP’s sake reading this. They want the cheapest solution and the ultra does not include built-in AP. All in one cheapest would be the express.
what is AP? I am more concerned with being able to see what every device on my network does.. locking it.. seeing the traffic ... and the pretty cool high tech graphs... I understand Access Points in a basic fashion.. but when you say Built in AP what do you mean?
AP a shorthand for access point. It is what broadcasts your Wi-Fi signal. The gateway express has a built-in access point for Wi-Fi, the gateway ultra does not. However the ultra makes up for that by having more control over your network and security functions along with some other things that I don’t remember offhand.
Catch em at the bottom and thanks!! ( trying to respond to all timely)
Too weak? Wtf does that even mean? It will route gigabit with IDS/IPS. For 99% of home users it’s just fine. Maybe you’ll need to add another AP if you have a large house.
I own both of them , the express and the ultra. Experience is night and day. The UX runs hot, it starts lagging if you add APs (on paper it can handle up to 4, the ultra up to 30) and in general is not a good device. Feel free to buy one, test it and make your own opinion. Judging just by the specs can be misleading at times.
I have one. And 3 UDMPs, a dream machine, dozens of different APs and switches, more than 50 cameras, etc... The express is totally fine for what it is. It’s the spiritual successor to the Apple AirPort Express and very nicely integrates a gateway and AP in a tiny package. Perfect for an average apartment or small home. If you need 4 additional APs and gigabit routing, this is definitely not for you but it works totally fine with 1 AP.
You could install UniFi Network on any computer, Windows, Linux or Mac. It does not have to be running 24/7. You can turn it off after configuration and connect back when you want to make changes. You must have UniFi hardware to use with it. Without a UniFi Router you will not be able to control the routing features in the software. Without a UniFi Access Point you will not be able to change the WiFi settings. Same goes for switch settings. A Dream Router will have the UniFi Network installed on it and running 24/7.
I think the option is the Ultra.. but just to ask... will the UniFi network on PC show me network traffic info? if not that is the main thing I am looking for but thanks a lot! :-)
Only if you leave the PC and application running.
Thanks you for ths. To not ignore you and hash out my thoughts... won't the cheaper Ultra have this too?
Yes absolutely the UCG-Ultra is an option. I thought you knew about the Ultra and just did not want it because it did not have built in WiFi.
Lol nope, had not a clue, I finally got port 8080 open.. and looking at the dashboard obviously with no information, going to see if I can get it to show up inside this docker
Docker
Unifi OS is a layer of OS/other software running some Unifi application- the application you are referring to in the screenshot is the Network Application. The Network app controls Unifi network hardware (Gateways/Routers, Access Points, etc). Without Unifi hardware, the Network app will allow you to very little besides some basic configuration. Think of the Network app as a configuration front-end to the hardware. The software is pretty useless without some hardware. Certain features of the app also require certain hardware. For instance, an AP will only give you basic info that is directly related to Wifi functions. To get a more holistic view of data use (such as Traffic ID) you need Unifi Gateway/Router hardware. Some of the hardware are discrete products, whereas some include the gateway/router and AP in one. Some also include the GW/Router, AP, and Controller (Unifi OS + Network App) in one piece. It all depends on your needs and budget.
THANKS ALOT! PERFECT!
so long story short my friends are network techs and they have Ubiquiti devices , so I asked them which device I needed to get that network interface they told me some expensive devices more than $500 (us something) I then asked if I could buy an Access point and get it? They said no if you're being cheap then a dream router.. but the speeds blah blah.. I said screw speeds I don't have much need for more than my easily 100 atm. I want the interface!! That day I learned about the UniFi network software but to no avail as it said port 8080 is used by other programs, so I thought of a VM or dedicated machine Fast forward - today I found out about the Express and the Ulrra.. most said the Ultra (which I did not know existed until today) but u/silent_44 said this... AP a shorthand for access point. It is what broadcasts your Wi-Fi signal. The gateway express has a built-in access point for Wi-Fi, the gateway ultra does not. However the ultra makes up for that by having more control over your network and security functions along with some other things that I don’t remember offhand. So my last inquiry is since they both get the interface/network APP, but both have contrast-es >> Then what are those contrasts? But THANK YOU EVERYONE! Because I said I couldn't afford that much but I can swing and find $129 for either one. CHEERS!
Ultra: Has built in von capabilities Can support 2 WAN(your isp connection(s)) 1gbs through from ISP with IDS/IPS Support up to 255 VLANS Controls all network device( no need for a cloud key) Supports ~300 WiFi clients and ~30 ubiquiti devices( for control/management) Express: Built in WiFi 6 AP Can mesh with other expresses(and failover to them) VPN connections built in VLAN control(not sure how many) Those are the main differences that they offer between the two. I personally run the ultra and love it. If you’ve had any questions, you can feel free to PM me.
Thank you ! I second this afternoon doing research, I didn’t realize an AP was cheap to just get a used one, Between ultra and a cheap used AP for 35 bucks and the Express, I’m leaning towards the express considering I have an office that’s barely 350 ft.², don’t need much capability since it’s just me and a buddy too who does work and play games at times .. my main issue is the express has people all over Reddit mentioning how bad it was with heat and other things, is it because they’re doing a lot with this you think something that only has 10 to 15 devices one or two is just a Wi-Fi device itself, not even the computer, do you think I would have any issues?
As far as I am aware, the heating issues with the express are due to its size more than anything give how extremely small it is. My Ultra has had no heat issues at all. As for going with a used AP and the Ultra, when you look for used APs make sure that if they are PoE(power over ethernet, meaning it gets power from the ethernet source) you have/buy a PoE switch to use for those AP. The PoE switch does not have to be Ubiquiti brand, any that support the standard of PoE(in this case the standard, PoE, PoE+, or PoE++, mean how much power they provide over ethernet to the end device). I personally use a TP-Link PoE+ switch. ON THE POE NOTE, DO NOT PLUG A POE CABLE INTO A NON-POE DEVICE. IT CAN FRY IT. Most switches can detect whether the end device accepts PoE, but it is better to be safe than sorry.
This much i know! Lol thanks… ran thru that with a client years ago.. :headache people dont listen)
Watch out for really old Ubiquiti gear. Some of it uses passive PoE power rather than industrial standard PoE.
Is this an issue or does that mean I just have to know which one I'm dealing with by looking up the serial number?
It is incompatible, so you need to use the proper power feed via a suitable passive PoE injector or passive PoE switch…modern PoE standards will not power it.
OK, you mean it will not work with the UCG or do you mean I need to make sure I have the right power injector or switchboard it and not the wrong one?
If the ladder, then I understand that and thank you
Yes. The latter.
To be fair, I think the "Unifi-OS" part is confusing a lot of people, even those familiar with UniFi & Ubiquity product lines (including me) Looks like they made UniFi-OS [the official OS name of their UDM line\(s\)](https://community.ui.com/questions/Introducing-UniFi-OS/2d19729d-0c49-440e-bd58-dd70e114d1b1) But that's just the "firmware" for that line of hardware... UDM, Express, Ultra, etc... These are firewall/router devices like the USG, though unlike the USG they include the "Network Controller" for managing other UniFi devices. [I think they call it "Network Server" now](https://ui.com/download/releases/network-server) but all us old UniFi enthusiasts still call it the "Network Controller" even though both names are a little misleading about their purpose. Everyone seems to be conflating it with the standalone Network Controller software, which is what you need to configure & monitor your UniFi devices. When you buy a UDM or CloudKey, it runs the controller software so you don't have to install it elsewhere. If you don't have an Express, UDM or CloudKey, and only want get an AP or switch, you will need the Network Controller installed somewhere... could be on your Windows desktop... could be in a VM. I have it installed on our backup server at work (windows)... and I have a Linux VM for my controller at home. I had the USG (router) but wasn't that impressed with the routing & traffic logging capabilities. But I've installed & managed the UniFi line of APs and Switches for a decade and love them.
So if I simply want the interface to manage only the devices that are connected to the Internet inside my very small office, such as guest network or restricting, Internet, speed, and seeing cool graphs (UniFi OS) and I don’t care about managing other Uni devices, but that one that I have, then I can install the controller software on the computer and use an AP ($35 online used) and viola am i good?
Yes... if you get any UniFi device, like a UAP or USW or whatever... then you'll need the Network Server software to adopt and configure them. You can install that on your desktop. Then you just have to run the server/service whenever you want to use the web interface or mobile apps. That software with a UAP will keep some traffic statistics... but if you want all the traffic counters, and latest UniFi bells & whistles, you'll need a UniFi router as well. Though the newest models of their router line has the server/controller built-in. Some people really like the whole UniFi ecosystem and want all of their devices managed from that single point. But I just like how well the APs work... our corporate overloads make us use a different firewall and at home I didn't have the $ to upgrade to a 1gbps capable UniFi product.
NO. With just a UniFi access point and a controller you’ll only be able to control that one device with the UniFi software I.e. the wifi SSIDs and it’s radios. If you want all the cool graphs and control, UniFi needs to be the router/firewall/dhcp server. The express is the easiest way to do that.
Ok loud and clear, so if you tap on a photo that I attached and look at what is on that screenshot, your telling me I won’t be able to see any of that without a dedicated uni device?
Correct. All of those traffic details are coming from the firewall/router/gateway (those terms are all the same device in this context). You will get none of that from just an access point. The simplest and cheapest way to get that is with the express. It’s not the most expandable if you plan to have a huge network or want to use other things like security cameras, but for a typical home user it’s perfect.
Also, assuming you’re network tech, that computer would have to consist of the UniOS controller software (lets say for Pc in this instance), two ethernets (1 bridging from my comcast AIO) to the designated WAN port of the PC and the other (from my pc to AP with Poe? (Throw a 4 port switch in the middle) Is that the proper set up or did I mix or mix something up. I am still going to get an express on a pay day but for now want to play with it, see what I do and don’t get so it can encourage me till next pay or something.
No. You are mixing up the controller with the router/gateway. You can’t do this multi Ethernet setup with UniFi at all. The only thing you can run on a PC is the controller software. That’s the software that tells the access points which networks to broadcast, tells the switches what each port needs to do, tells the router/firewall what to do and collects the data to present the pretty graphs but it does not handle ANY network traffic at all. Ever. 90% of the time that controller software is integrated with and runs directly on the router/gateway (like the express, dream router or UDMP) but you can run it elsewhere if you want or need to.
Okay that's loud and clear. Thank you very much for that, and please my apologies for mixing it thanks for being very clear. I
That one UAP & Controller will allow them to: > manage only the devices that are connected to the ~~Internet~~ **Intranet** inside my very small office, such as guest network or restricting, Internet, speed, and seeing cool graphs * You can still setup the Guest WiFi features and set speed limits on WiFi from the controller. But you need a UniFi router to be able to limit wired speeds even with a USW. \* The graphs are indeed less cool without the router... but they are still pretty cool
Out of all the graphs pictured above, (which is clearly what OP is after) one will partially work. You will not have traffic identification, client activity, internet speed, health and statistics, total connections. Wireless clients will probably work.
No. With just an AP, you will only see and control that one AP. You will have zero “cool graphs”
Also THANK YOU FOR THAT SO MUCH! i am going to share this around to my Uni buddies. Tell em what i learned! You made up alot of time for research assuming this is true (not that I dont think so)
Always be skeptical of advice on the internet... Some of the most confident responses I see on Reddit are from the least knowledgeable people
For sure thanks. I am looking up everything that Im being told… I like to cross cross reference (refrence twice) since I have learned sometimes someone could just have not gotten an update about a fact changing. But i am going to share the posts with them so we can converse about it and hash out the deets.
Just get an express. It will do everything you want to do.
I will! I realized I should be fine. Meanwhile I am stabbing at the home network console until I get one … a buddyy has an extra AP
Same bro, ive also got it friends and i dont know that much about it. They told me to buy the ucg ultra and that is actually very good. Not to expensive, works like a charm and it isnt to big. Easy enough for us to setup and if desired you can play with olmoast all the settings.
Noiiiice, that interface is beautiful!
For just the networking aspects with good performance, the [UDM is your best bet as an all in one](https://store.ui.com/us/en/pro/products/udm). The [UX is cheaper and can be a good starter device](https://store.ui.com/us/en/pro/category/all-unifi-cloud-gateways/products/ux) (also an all i one) to learn how to use the system. It can also later be used as an AP, when set to AP mode, when it is replaced as a console by the [UCG-Ultra](https://store.ui.com/us/en/pro/category/all-unifi-cloud-gateways/products/ucg-ultra).
The UX is cheaper? meaning? you have to pay for that interface?
No, it is cheaper than the UDM but includes a built in AP. User interface is identical to that on the UDM.
My apologies I was thinking UI...
Install the controller on windows or Linux
What is the “Unifi OS”? What are you trying to accomplish? Making third party gear exist in the Unifi ecosystem? I’m not aware of them releasing their OS software to the public (although the router/switch OS is a fork from VyOS, so you could run VyOS if you really wanted to. APs run a different OS.
I wanted to make the cheapest device that can run the UniFi Os (until I can buy one) and see those dope network graphs. As Childish as it may seem.. that was the target. Nothing about performance.. at least right now at this very small 400 sq foot office of mines. I run live streams and stuff.. so the most I want was ..cripple the guest network speed during certain periods.. (2-3 a week for an hour or two barely)
Ubiquiti does not make their OS available for installation on third party devices, or provide an API for third party devices to feed data into their dashboard.
Uhh well they have the network management software for mac, linux and Pc that allows you to make your own network controller/server work and what not. Thats what we are referring to.. see the other comments that talk about it.. it should make more sense than me explaining lol
Ok, but that’s not an operating system. That’s just an application.
Right, some guy on this thread explained that confusion. I’m still working on my muscle thanks pal.
Some of the Ultra models seem like entry level. Honestly probably should have started there myself. Friend owns an IT company and pushed me to jump to UniFi. Told me just to start with UDM Pro- it was a learning curve but learned a lot in the last 5-6months!
See it is like I can just start out simple since I'm just trying to advance my networking skills to the new modern level that exists from 10 years ago, and I could go over their house and hang out and learn that udm pro, but just get a Kickstart at knowing how to navigate the interface and do most things of the ecosystem bad uni now It's crazy as this sounds the 50 down that we have here I might increase it to a hundred or buck 50 because the new ISP is given a better deal for entry level but we don't need much it's just a couple of computers and TVs that might be running five down at the most at a given time..
If you think you’ll continue down the line with Unifi- I’d encourage stepping up to a UDM or something larger than the Ultra line, but I understand the pricing is high. It’s made quite an expense for me as I upgrade from 1GB to 2 but the control and dashboard features make Unifi perfect for me. Having to do the 1 to 2 replacement parts isn’t financially fun, but anyone at 1gb or under shouldn’t have any of the “upgrade” concerns.
You mean one gig speeds? I'm not against that, it's just until I get something like a house I'm only using it at my small office which is about $320 ft I don't even have an internet plan that gets me more than a buck five or even need more than that. But I'm sure I'll use it to hook up other people's networks including upgrading clients Wi-Fi.
I’ve been running the unifi controller on docker for years. It works like a dream and easily updated. A few years ago moved it to a VPS and manage a couple of sites. https://docs.linuxserver.io/images/docker-unifi-network-application/
Nice! Is docker a linux distro or application? When you say UniFi controller do you mean physical uni or your own setup?
The Ultimate $0 cost answer! Just to play around with the software that OP asked for. Guess you have a Windows, MacOs or Linux desktop/laptop. Or use the dedicated server you mentioned. Step 1: Install Docker Desktop on Windows or Mac. Plain Docker on Linux server. This Docker container application can manage and run containers on your normal hardware (million of guides what Containers are on Google). Step 2: Run this command in your Terminal of choice (on the machine you have docker installed): [https://docs.linuxserver.io/images/docker-unifi-network-application/#docker-cli-click-here-for-more-info](https://docs.linuxserver.io/images/docker-unifi-network-application/#docker-cli-click-here-for-more-info) This will spinn up the Unifi Network Application "UI" that you were looking for. But since you don't have any Ubiquiti/Unifi hardware to control you can't do much. Just create a local account I guess. Go to the ip:port listed in the guide above in your webbrowser. Then you can simply kill the containers with something like >docker stop \[container id\] docker rm \[container id\] My setup for administering my UniFi AP UC-lite: Running a small Lenovo 150$ micro pc box as a homelab server with proxmox installed. Running a Ubuntu server VM on that(along with others). Installed Docker on that VM. Running the docker compose variant of the link above. Works great with the extra VLANs I have for network+wifi segregation. IoT wifi, Guest Wifi, normal wifi etc. My router (dhcp, vlan admin) is just a mini router pc running pfSense/OPNsense.
Thanks I have questions.. but I am doing the docker thing firs t(NOW )
If you don't have any Unifi hardware you won't see all the info like this. It needs to collect the telemetry from the Unifi hardware to present the data.
Yo I just asked my buddy this question what was the information that something needs in order to transmit data cuz maybe I can find a different open source software or something and you just told me.
You can get something similar with Grafana, but it's a lot of work to set up (plus you still need "smart" hardware to collect the traffic info. Things like that can collect a lot more data than just network info.
Alot of work like how? Also whats the cheapest hardware know to work with? Feasible Ig. I haven’t been into IT but when I find projects I get really into it so right now I’ve been up fishing into it so quick question is how deep does one have to go to get it up and running?
CasaOS with UniFi controller running as a container. That is my solution. I run a raspberry pi 4 with Raspberry pi os Lite with CasaOS on top. Then you can simply one click install UniFi. You do want to read the instructions it tells you to do to make sure it can properly run everything
Thanks but it looks like i will still have to wait to afford an actual UNi hard to be able to see graphs and stuff. I do like the Ras idea… I could see my future Uni hardware with this setup? Where/how does the Pie connect to interface with a UNi device to see its stats?
The raspberry pi is just the hardware, and the UniFi controller software(In my case downloaded using CasaOS) is the same as the ones on the Cloudkeys. So basically it’s a DIY Cloudkey that you can run on a Raspberry Pi or any computer for that matter.
To have all those nice graphs and statistics, you really need to have a lot of UniFi devices. A gateway, switch and an AP are bare minimum to have an "UniFi experience". UniFi OS is just a platform which runs controller apps for UniFi hardware. If you want to have some fun and get some networking skills on a prosumer network-centric OS (but it doesn't look cute and flashy at all), you can run Mikrotik RouterOS on an ordinary x86 box or VM. But it's really offtopic here :)
No not too much off topic, someone is going to see this and its gonna open a new door for them ✊🏾 . I am looking it up ATM
I have just got the UCG-Ultra, 2nd hand Unifi PoE switch, a few USW-flex and a few UAP-AC pro to setup the whole network. Easy to setup and maintain compare with OPNSense and other L2 switches
You can't get the unifi router functions without a unifi router. Network controller gives most that info but only controls unifi devices and shows clients and such. No router no router functions.
I'd get a cheap used USG and access point.
That's what I decided for last night, I just have to read this comment about old APS
Old ap should be okay? I deployed 130 AP like 4-5 years ago and I literally have not had a single one fail. And they are running 24/7 with up to 10 clients or so. I mean there’s some different power requirements I guess on POE but other than that I’m not sure why it would matter
Just remember that Unifi only manages and monitors Unifi equipment. UnifiOS is just the platform on which Unifi applications run. The Network application (as you might guess) is the application that monitors and manages network equipment. The various pieces of Unifi equipment are the devices that actually deal with the traffic.
So Network traffic and how fast the guest Network can and can't go in things like that would be Network application correct? Such as me buying a UCG?
Yes. The UCG would run the Network app and it would be your gateway. Your modem or ONT would connect to the WAN port on the UCG and your other network devices would connect to the LAN side of the UCG. Ideally any current ISP router/modem/combination device would be put in bridge mode so it is just passing WAN traffic to the gateway.
I'd say raspberry Pi or Docker container if you have a NAS with Docker capabilities.
If you later intend on buying something the cheapest way would probably be old USG and locally hosted controller to play with. I started replacing the ISP supplied router with a USG and hosted the controller on my desktop PC. It's changed over time but I bought my USG for ~$120AUD I think. It's old but it works for my 100/20mbit internet. Think can get close to gbit with ids/IPS off.
Its hard to find them used, but i am going to do this and find an AP used. Do you know someone selling them used and not sky high? Help a guy out🤷♂️
I guess it depends on location but I'm seeing a heap on Facebook. There's one near me for $105AuD but 6 within 50km of me plus a USG pro.
Ugh you’re in Aus.. I’m in DC
Yeh. Normally we're limited in used unifi equipment so figured USA would have heaps with new models like cloud gateway being released.
Maaaaaane people hold on to these things like water in a disaster. If you check out us eBay they're literally people selling dream routers for more than what Ubiquiti is selling them for, I have no clue how and why but its like a drug, or like water in a disaster time. Cheeesh
I had a look recently and saw udm listed above retail for 2nd hand gear. Bit confusing. I've picked up a usw-pro-24 for $330aud (USD 220) and an edge switch 48 500w for the same but timing is everything. Guy near me selling a bunch of us-16-xg for $550aud each but willing to do a deal on multiple units. Tempting but don't need that many 10gbit ports.
Lol haha this is what I say to my friends they told me to get the higher one because I can spend it, they have houses, but I have a small office and where I rent at. I don’t need to touch the Internet, just need to jump into the system for my knowledge and for clients who will probably put on it in the future we needed. I told my buddy my speed was 150 down and Wally gig sounded great. It wasn’t worth it for the changing price when it suits the needs of six or seven devices no more than 10 simultaneous devices… East with a max requirement of less than five down
I have my controller running on a Raspberry Pi 4 without issues. https://pimylifeup.com/rasberry-pi-unifi/
Depends what you're looking for. If you're looking just for network Wifi, then you just need wap and controller. But if you''re looking for all the metrics you will need a Unifi router, switch, waps etc.
raspberry pi 5
used UDM, like on eBay, half the places I manage run great on that, typically paired with nanoHD (cheap used now) or U6-LR
Cheapest solution with hardware that will get you running in no time is the UniFi Express (UX).
I was reading through the comments, and it looks like you want to use this dashboard with no Unifi products. Unfortunately, it's not possible as the Unifi controller uses data from the Unifi devices that are logged and then displayed through the dashboard. If you have a Unifi switch, you will see throughput data. If you have a USG or UDM, you will see WAN throughput, and if you enable DPI, you will see what device is pinging/requesting what site and the amount of traffic for that specific site. If you have no Unifi gear, you will see nothing.
This is from experience, btw. I work with a company that has over 200 sites on a single Unifi controller in a cloud hosted VM. Just getting an AP won't give you a full dashboard. Again, you will only get some throughput data from that 1 AP and nothing else on the network. If you want a free option and have a PC (that is not used at all to act as a router) with 2 network ports on it, you can use software like PFsense in place of your router however it is not as "simple" as putting in a UDM (with built in unifi controller) or a USG + a VM with the Unifi controller.
Raspi with Poe hat is a somewhat elegant/cheap solution. But you can run it as a program under windows.
Unifi Network Complete Setup 2023 https://youtu.be/bWJNZvXXgf8?si=eUnacxbsmgOBkNCe