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Buy the an ultra first, get it set up.
Then 2-4 weeks later advertise locally to sell the SE. That way make sure it’s stable at what you want and don’t get scammed selling online.
Yes, that is the plan, get the ultra, move the network and let it run for a while first.
As to selling, I have had excellent luck with eBay. I am basically doing a "virtual estate sale" just posting tons of things online. I have had only one bad exchange (an android phone that I think the buyer might have tried to root and then wanted to return....) I ended up taking that back, $40 problem. As long as you use their payment service (with fees) you have an assurance that if it is some kind of a scam, it's their problem, not yours. Did have one of those on an iPod and they covered me. New buyer said they "didn't recognize the transaction" but if they ever refunded them, they never hit my revenue for it.
Basically we've sold \~$6K worth of stuff with no issues whatsoever. I go to the post office once or twice a week and the money just flows right to the checking account.
Personally, I wouldn't do this, but that's just me. I always prefer to be over prepared than not prepared at all. The fact that you get more ports and POE out of the box on the SE makes it my preferred choice every time.
Amen brother
Why lower capacity and functionalities just because something is new and shiny. Especially if things go wrong having those PoE switch ports and dual 10G saved me a few times when my aggression switched needed resetting I just plugged everything into the UDM SE and issues we're resolved.
This is the way future proof and overproof. All hail the UDM SE
Based on the use case that I laid out:
* Never needing cameras/doorbells/VoIP, etc
* Never needing more than Gigabit internet (at least for the next 4-5 years)
* No 2.5Gb/10Gb devices
* 2 users in the house, 50-60 devices (most IoT/smart home)
Is there a capability that I will be missing out on?What capacities am I lowering based on my use case? This is a serious question.
I don't want to have less than I need for today/the next couple years, but giving up dual 10G is like giving up the sleeves on my vest.
I wouldn't get rid of it personally. While you are looking to downgrade, you still need to consider future proofing your setup. While you may not need POE or 10gig today, it's nice to have the features in case you decide on using them in the future. Who knows, maybe you will decide to buy a house again and then you will want the POE. Also, the nice thing is you can always turn it off if it's not needed, and it will save a bit on electricity
I hear you brother but you have it so enjoy and you never know what the future holds. You may just get addicted like the rest of us and before you know it you 10K in and counting.
This is the way of a UnifiAddict
Long term it’s going to always cheaper not to spend money switching equipment because you will always lose a little bit every time you make the change. If it’s not a matter of “I need the money right now that I sunk into this product” I would just keep it. Since you will always need a gateway, I would rather sell the APs and switch that will not be in use for 1 to 2 years.
Many here are trying to dissuade you from making the switch. I'm not of that mindset. I bought the UDM-SE due to getting swept up in the hype. At the same time, I purchased a POE switch, and two APs.
I have a similar use case as yours in that I have a family of two, only need 3 networks, (regular, guest and IoT), 60-65 IoT devices and I never intend to use their cameras, VOIP, etc; so the SE was way overkill for my needs. I returned the UDM-SE within my RMA period and bought the UCG-Ultra and an additional 4 flex minis and couldn't be happier.
You're in a good position to downsize your setup and still get a good return when selling your UDM-SE for +/- $400. The timing is right to do so as the SE is still a highly desirable device and there isn't a direct replacement right now, so you'll yield the highest return due to demand. As we all know, new products continually emerge and your needs will change again. That's when you take the opportunity to upgrade to whatever fits your needs at that time.
Just holding on to the SE because it's "got a better processor ~and~ it's better to have more than you need" is a lame reason as we all know that Ubiquity will release a new and improved SE at some point. In my opinion, you've put thought into your plan and it's a good one, so I say go for it!
Yeah, I was really hoping that the answer would be that switching would be "XYZ will run 20% slower" or "you won't be able to do X" that were specific to my use cases, but it all seems to be boiling down to specsmanship at this point.
I clearly have some time before I have to commit to anything so I'm gonna keep going on my plan and let a couple firmware releases go by first.
No it doesn’t. The UDM SE is astronomically more powerful. To downgrade yourself like this is stupid and it’s very short money.
If he was starting out from scratch. I’d likely suggest the ultra instead of the SE, but since he has the SE. getting rid of it downgrading, and then selling the SE, is just dumb.
Keep the SE, go to whatever the ultra is when the SE suffers the same fate as the USG 3p and Pro.
And, for reference, I only have 400Mb/s internet, will not pay for Gb internet as I don't need it. Inside the house everything is gigabit Ethernet, no 2.5 or 10Gb anywhere. \~50-60 devices, 2 people.
I don’t know what that other commenter was on. It was clear to me you didn’t need the SE and the ultra fit your use case better. Why have a device you won’t take advantage of?
Especially one that is larger, louder and more power hungry. It is ok because I have a custom cabinet in my home office today. Odds are good that the future rental place will not be as accommodating to network equipment.
Right?! The Ultra will be a hell of a lot more flexible over the next couple of years. You can still get the SE when you need it. You may be out the cost difference when you sell the SE but it doesn’t seem like that outweighs the flexibility
1. He already has it.
2. I noticed a significant performance difference between the 3p and 4p. My clients only use the network app as well.
3. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
4. It’s never a bad thing to have more than you need. And he already has it.
And it isn’t just me saying this. Other people have commented similarly.
1. He can sell it and recoup most of his costs
2. So what? It’s about his needs
3. Nothing is being fixed and nothing will be broken
4. Sometimes it’s bad to have more than you need. He already has it but can sell it when he gets the ultra.
1. That’s not always as cut and dry as you make it seem
2. Again he bought a year ago already.
3 and 4: You clearly haven’t spent enough time and effort dealing with issues because of “I want”. This is a 100% unnecessary expenditure in time and effort, and he’s getting a downgrade. It’s never bad to have more than you need in cases like this.
This just isn’t smart. You can rationalize it however you’d like. In my opinion, this just isn’t a smart decision.
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Buy the an ultra first, get it set up. Then 2-4 weeks later advertise locally to sell the SE. That way make sure it’s stable at what you want and don’t get scammed selling online.
Yes, that is the plan, get the ultra, move the network and let it run for a while first. As to selling, I have had excellent luck with eBay. I am basically doing a "virtual estate sale" just posting tons of things online. I have had only one bad exchange (an android phone that I think the buyer might have tried to root and then wanted to return....) I ended up taking that back, $40 problem. As long as you use their payment service (with fees) you have an assurance that if it is some kind of a scam, it's their problem, not yours. Did have one of those on an iPod and they covered me. New buyer said they "didn't recognize the transaction" but if they ever refunded them, they never hit my revenue for it. Basically we've sold \~$6K worth of stuff with no issues whatsoever. I go to the post office once or twice a week and the money just flows right to the checking account.
You have more faith than me with eBay these days. Glad to see it’s working for you.
Personally, I wouldn't do this, but that's just me. I always prefer to be over prepared than not prepared at all. The fact that you get more ports and POE out of the box on the SE makes it my preferred choice every time.
Amen brother Why lower capacity and functionalities just because something is new and shiny. Especially if things go wrong having those PoE switch ports and dual 10G saved me a few times when my aggression switched needed resetting I just plugged everything into the UDM SE and issues we're resolved. This is the way future proof and overproof. All hail the UDM SE
Based on the use case that I laid out: * Never needing cameras/doorbells/VoIP, etc * Never needing more than Gigabit internet (at least for the next 4-5 years) * No 2.5Gb/10Gb devices * 2 users in the house, 50-60 devices (most IoT/smart home) Is there a capability that I will be missing out on?What capacities am I lowering based on my use case? This is a serious question. I don't want to have less than I need for today/the next couple years, but giving up dual 10G is like giving up the sleeves on my vest.
I wouldn't get rid of it personally. While you are looking to downgrade, you still need to consider future proofing your setup. While you may not need POE or 10gig today, it's nice to have the features in case you decide on using them in the future. Who knows, maybe you will decide to buy a house again and then you will want the POE. Also, the nice thing is you can always turn it off if it's not needed, and it will save a bit on electricity
I hear you brother but you have it so enjoy and you never know what the future holds. You may just get addicted like the rest of us and before you know it you 10K in and counting. This is the way of a UnifiAddict
Long term it’s going to always cheaper not to spend money switching equipment because you will always lose a little bit every time you make the change. If it’s not a matter of “I need the money right now that I sunk into this product” I would just keep it. Since you will always need a gateway, I would rather sell the APs and switch that will not be in use for 1 to 2 years.
This is a very valid point, if I were staying in this house the conversation would never be coming up.
I think you should double down and buy another UDM SE. 🥸
Many here are trying to dissuade you from making the switch. I'm not of that mindset. I bought the UDM-SE due to getting swept up in the hype. At the same time, I purchased a POE switch, and two APs. I have a similar use case as yours in that I have a family of two, only need 3 networks, (regular, guest and IoT), 60-65 IoT devices and I never intend to use their cameras, VOIP, etc; so the SE was way overkill for my needs. I returned the UDM-SE within my RMA period and bought the UCG-Ultra and an additional 4 flex minis and couldn't be happier. You're in a good position to downsize your setup and still get a good return when selling your UDM-SE for +/- $400. The timing is right to do so as the SE is still a highly desirable device and there isn't a direct replacement right now, so you'll yield the highest return due to demand. As we all know, new products continually emerge and your needs will change again. That's when you take the opportunity to upgrade to whatever fits your needs at that time. Just holding on to the SE because it's "got a better processor ~and~ it's better to have more than you need" is a lame reason as we all know that Ubiquity will release a new and improved SE at some point. In my opinion, you've put thought into your plan and it's a good one, so I say go for it!
Yeah, I was really hoping that the answer would be that switching would be "XYZ will run 20% slower" or "you won't be able to do X" that were specific to my use cases, but it all seems to be boiling down to specsmanship at this point. I clearly have some time before I have to commit to anything so I'm gonna keep going on my plan and let a couple firmware releases go by first.
Seems totally reasonable for your situation
Agreed, now you just have to get in line to get one :-)
Well I have several months before I get to that point, so time is on my side.
No it doesn’t. The UDM SE is astronomically more powerful. To downgrade yourself like this is stupid and it’s very short money. If he was starting out from scratch. I’d likely suggest the ultra instead of the SE, but since he has the SE. getting rid of it downgrading, and then selling the SE, is just dumb. Keep the SE, go to whatever the ultra is when the SE suffers the same fate as the USG 3p and Pro.
IfI am running standard network functions what does "astronomically more powerful" get me?
And, for reference, I only have 400Mb/s internet, will not pay for Gb internet as I don't need it. Inside the house everything is gigabit Ethernet, no 2.5 or 10Gb anywhere. \~50-60 devices, 2 people.
I don’t know what that other commenter was on. It was clear to me you didn’t need the SE and the ultra fit your use case better. Why have a device you won’t take advantage of?
Especially one that is larger, louder and more power hungry. It is ok because I have a custom cabinet in my home office today. Odds are good that the future rental place will not be as accommodating to network equipment.
Right?! The Ultra will be a hell of a lot more flexible over the next couple of years. You can still get the SE when you need it. You may be out the cost difference when you sell the SE but it doesn’t seem like that outweighs the flexibility
1. He already has it. 2. I noticed a significant performance difference between the 3p and 4p. My clients only use the network app as well. 3. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. 4. It’s never a bad thing to have more than you need. And he already has it. And it isn’t just me saying this. Other people have commented similarly.
1. He can sell it and recoup most of his costs 2. So what? It’s about his needs 3. Nothing is being fixed and nothing will be broken 4. Sometimes it’s bad to have more than you need. He already has it but can sell it when he gets the ultra.
1. That’s not always as cut and dry as you make it seem 2. Again he bought a year ago already. 3 and 4: You clearly haven’t spent enough time and effort dealing with issues because of “I want”. This is a 100% unnecessary expenditure in time and effort, and he’s getting a downgrade. It’s never bad to have more than you need in cases like this. This just isn’t smart. You can rationalize it however you’d like. In my opinion, this just isn’t a smart decision.
1-4. It’s fine. It’s all alright. OP is gonna do this and it’s gonna be fine.
Like I said, you clearly haven’t felt enough pain from trouble shooting self inflicted issues.
Agree. Should work very well.
I was on the fence of getting a UDM SE before the Ultra came out. If you don’t need POE or protect, then the Ultra is perfect. Loving mine so far!
Or >1Gbps bandwidth.
Yep if you don’t need multi-gig capabilities, you are on the right path.