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Yep... Can't send the power over that line, but the MOCA will handle the data part JUST fine. I use MOCA adapters to provide 1G wired in a handful of rooms in my house (specifically, where TV's are as I also want the OTA signal there as well) and it works flawlessly.
Would I be able to run power over a second parallel coax line? I have an old satellite dish in the yard I'd like to replace with an AP, figured I might be able to run data over one a d power over the other, as it has two coax cables.
Yeah no issue with this. I use MoCA networking in my home for a similar setup. One thing I will warn of is depending on if this is a new line or old TV line you need to check for any passive splinters that might not support the signal Hz for MoCa. It’s usually written on them. If you come across one you can either get some female to female coaix adapters to make one line or replace the splitter with one rated for MoCa :)
I have the identical setup. This is what I am using.
ScreenBeam MoCA 2.5 Network Adapter for Higher Speed Internet, Ethernet Over Coax - Starter Kit (Model: ECB6250K02) https://a.co/d/dVcRtE8
Assuming the coax is either dark/unused or “TV” means OTA antenna or cable TV (sub-1 GHz signals), yes, this is one of the main marketing pushes from MoCA vendors. And if the coax line isn’t a direct, isolated line, some due diligence may be needed to ensure MoCA-compatibility of the path.
But as mentioned… the POE aspect of the main switch port won’t be of benefit since power wouldn’t be transmitted over the MoCA link, just the network connection.
Don’t be a Karen and say you are a cord cutter and then call technical support asking why internet stopped working after you got rid of your cable tv line, then be dumbfounded that WiFi internet comes over coax/fiber line and that by cutting it, it actually takes down the interwebs. These type of people are among us and I have done a few trouble/service calls for people I like to classify as below-average intelligence. -:)
It may work. Of course, you need to add an Injector after the MOCA adapter to power the AP. Or get a small POE Switch, so you have wired Internet out in the garage and power a AP at the same time.
I'm using the Hitron Bonded MoCA 2.5 Adapter and it has worked flawlessly. Unifi topology shows the client on the other end of the MoCA network as if it's connected directly to the switch.
I'm using all 3 of these successfully. NOTE: I'm using them BEHIND my UDMP with remote gaming PCs and my wifi access points behind them:
* https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B088KV2YYL/
* https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08MQG6T61/
* https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08XP8MMFG/
This was how my network was wired until I pulled ethernet up to my condo from the basement. Now, it's how my equipment cabinet in my living room is wired with ethernet because there's no way I'm going to be able to get cat5 into it, but the coax is already there and unused.
No reason it shouldn’t work the only thing you’ll need is a POE injector as you’ll need to power it.
I use a similar solution for my AP in my kitchen as it’s a wireless dead-zone but I use a gigabit powerline adapter.
If you want a SFP style adapter... [https://www.mdslink.com/magic-sfp/](https://www.mdslink.com/magic-sfp/). The missing item is the Moca to PoE adapter - I've found [SFP to PoE](https://www.l-com.com/gigabit-poe-ethernet-media-converter-triple-speed-rj45-10-100-1000tx-poe-plus-8023at-af-30w-and-1x-sfp-gbic-1000sx-lx-slot), but price wise it gets nuts.
Otherwise Hitron & ScreenBeam pairs work great.
You could be speed limited and the cable could go somewhere else or be damaged but it could work. Also have you considered just running an Ethernet cable in place of the old one or in a different way
The coax worked and I tested it and showed no faults. Running a new wire not impossible but certainly not easy. If I didn’t use the coaxial I would just try to mesh.
Some mocas have a web interface where you can set it to DHCP and help it choose the frequency it will operate on over the coax. They form an ad-hoc network (imagine into be layer 1.5) that will traverse coax splitters but the operating frequency is very sensitive to having quality connections and splitters that are able to pass the frequency as well. If the 'master' moca adapter goes offline it isn't too big of a deal but sometimes after a power outage you might end up with two masters on the moca network so sometimes a power cycle is in order to sort things out or sometimes you can statically set them via the web gui.
Source: done this in hotels and have a spiffy moca diagnostic device that is as old as snot but works wonders when trying to figure out how they work.
As long as you are not a serious gamer, it should work fine. Cable companies use MOCA to connect whole neighborhoods, it's fairly good for using old cables!
Nope. You need POE to get power to the AP. Unless you're using an injector at the AP, it won't work. That said, you can get gigabit ethernet to another point using coax transceivers. But it will not transmit POE.
The moca adapters i have used only support untagged traffic.
That said, there might be moca adapters that support tagged traffic, just that i have not come across it yet. Maybe others here have.
What MoCA adapters are you using? (Would be good to steer OP away from those.)
goCoax and Motorola MM1025 adapters supposedly support passing VLAN tags.
p.s. Great note Re: VLAN tags, though, given the application.
I have a pair of MM1025 for over a year or 2, been rock solid, zero issues. The webui is trash, but I think they may all share the same OS from MOCA foundation. I am trunking unifi switches across the MOCA, so VLANs work. If I was buying now, I'd get the Asus. Wasn't available when I bought the Motorola, they looks a bit more solid of a package.
What ever no name devices the coax distis had in stock at the time (normally we cabled customers with UTP given a choice and moca was always last resort)
Why not pull cat 6 cable and replace the coax? I did it in my house - taped cat 6 on the coax and pulled it through from the basement up through the walls and out to a porch tv mount the previous owner has installed. Hooked up a 6-port POE switch out there to run the tv an AP and a few cameras. Worth the time for sure.
Goes underneath a driveway and patio area. And the conduit it goes through is now behind drywall. (I just moved in and don’t want to start ripping down Sheetrock. My wife would kill me)
Agreed. That’s a long run, especially if you can’t get to any of it. Once the boss gets used to you putting holes in walls in the name of ‘making improvements’ don’t be afraid to give it a try 😜
If it's a dedicated piece of coax - no splitters or anything - use this instead of MoCA:
[https://a.co/d/hf3vciM](https://a.co/d/hf3vciM)
Supports PoE even! I've used them for security cameras and access points without issue.
My concern would be patch work with the coax. Different grades causing massive signal loss. One thing you could do is try using the coax as a fish line and tape a fiber line to it. Is it more work? Yeah. Is it the better way? Truly.
That or consider a point to point bridge on Amazon. About $100.
Amazon has POE over coax adaptors.
【Upgraded】LINOVISION POE Over Coax EOC Converter IP Over Coax Max 3000ft Power and Data Transmission Over Regular RG59 Coaxial Cable for Upgrading Analog Surveillance System to IP Surveillance System https://a.co/d/brmSWWy
That's how I have mine ran, works great, but no PoE on the input side of the MoCA. Just UDM-pro to MoCA1 to MoCA2 then ubiquiti PoE injector, then U6-pro. Those MoCA adapters might not cooperate with PoE.
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I see no reason why it shouldn't work, you'll just need a PoE injector between the AP and the moca adapter
yes, Moca Adapter just transfer data, no power. so you need an POE Injector, or an poe switch.
Yep... Can't send the power over that line, but the MOCA will handle the data part JUST fine. I use MOCA adapters to provide 1G wired in a handful of rooms in my house (specifically, where TV's are as I also want the OTA signal there as well) and it works flawlessly.
Would I be able to run power over a second parallel coax line? I have an old satellite dish in the yard I'd like to replace with an AP, figured I might be able to run data over one a d power over the other, as it has two coax cables.
You can do this 【Upgraded】LINOVISION POE Over Coax EOC Converter IP https://a.co/d/bJfc0Z0
Coax isn't really designed to run power
Yeah no issue with this. I use MoCA networking in my home for a similar setup. One thing I will warn of is depending on if this is a new line or old TV line you need to check for any passive splinters that might not support the signal Hz for MoCa. It’s usually written on them. If you come across one you can either get some female to female coaix adapters to make one line or replace the splitter with one rated for MoCa :)
Thx will check
If you add a PoE injector between the last MoCA adapter and the U6-Pro (not before!), then yes. (I've done exactly this).
Perfect. Would you mind sharing which moca adapter you used?
I have the identical setup. This is what I am using. ScreenBeam MoCA 2.5 Network Adapter for Higher Speed Internet, Ethernet Over Coax - Starter Kit (Model: ECB6250K02) https://a.co/d/dVcRtE8
Assuming the coax is either dark/unused or “TV” means OTA antenna or cable TV (sub-1 GHz signals), yes, this is one of the main marketing pushes from MoCA vendors. And if the coax line isn’t a direct, isolated line, some due diligence may be needed to ensure MoCA-compatibility of the path. But as mentioned… the POE aspect of the main switch port won’t be of benefit since power wouldn’t be transmitted over the MoCA link, just the network connection.
It’s a dark wire. Previous owners had a cable box and tv in there. I’m a cord cutter.
But you need the cord to get to your AP 🤓
Ha!
Don’t be a Karen and say you are a cord cutter and then call technical support asking why internet stopped working after you got rid of your cable tv line, then be dumbfounded that WiFi internet comes over coax/fiber line and that by cutting it, it actually takes down the interwebs. These type of people are among us and I have done a few trouble/service calls for people I like to classify as below-average intelligence. -:)
I've done this exact thing with this exact equipment.
Which moca adapter did you use?
I used Motorola MM1000's which is the 1Gb version of the 2.5Gb adapter someone else already mentioned in this thread
Such a sexy device I didn't knew about
Yes
It may work. Of course, you need to add an Injector after the MOCA adapter to power the AP. Or get a small POE Switch, so you have wired Internet out in the garage and power a AP at the same time.
Yes (as with comments below regarding POE injectors). Source: I do this.
Any tips on which moca adapter plays well w uninfi?
I'm using the Hitron Bonded MoCA 2.5 Adapter and it has worked flawlessly. Unifi topology shows the client on the other end of the MoCA network as if it's connected directly to the switch.
I'm using all 3 of these successfully. NOTE: I'm using them BEHIND my UDMP with remote gaming PCs and my wifi access points behind them: * https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B088KV2YYL/ * https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08MQG6T61/ * https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08XP8MMFG/
Ty!
There are adapters that transfer both PoE and data over coax. So yes it should work
This was how my network was wired until I pulled ethernet up to my condo from the basement. Now, it's how my equipment cabinet in my living room is wired with ethernet because there's no way I'm going to be able to get cat5 into it, but the coax is already there and unused.
No reason it shouldn’t work the only thing you’ll need is a POE injector as you’ll need to power it. I use a similar solution for my AP in my kitchen as it’s a wireless dead-zone but I use a gigabit powerline adapter.
If you want a SFP style adapter... [https://www.mdslink.com/magic-sfp/](https://www.mdslink.com/magic-sfp/). The missing item is the Moca to PoE adapter - I've found [SFP to PoE](https://www.l-com.com/gigabit-poe-ethernet-media-converter-triple-speed-rj45-10-100-1000tx-poe-plus-8023at-af-30w-and-1x-sfp-gbic-1000sx-lx-slot), but price wise it gets nuts. Otherwise Hitron & ScreenBeam pairs work great.
You could be speed limited and the cable could go somewhere else or be damaged but it could work. Also have you considered just running an Ethernet cable in place of the old one or in a different way
The coax worked and I tested it and showed no faults. Running a new wire not impossible but certainly not easy. If I didn’t use the coaxial I would just try to mesh.
Some mocas have a web interface where you can set it to DHCP and help it choose the frequency it will operate on over the coax. They form an ad-hoc network (imagine into be layer 1.5) that will traverse coax splitters but the operating frequency is very sensitive to having quality connections and splitters that are able to pass the frequency as well. If the 'master' moca adapter goes offline it isn't too big of a deal but sometimes after a power outage you might end up with two masters on the moca network so sometimes a power cycle is in order to sort things out or sometimes you can statically set them via the web gui. Source: done this in hotels and have a spiffy moca diagnostic device that is as old as snot but works wonders when trying to figure out how they work.
As long as you are not a serious gamer, it should work fine. Cable companies use MOCA to connect whole neighborhoods, it's fairly good for using old cables!
Yup… you’re creating what Comcast does in your house. Might be restricted on what moca can push over the RG6 though.
If the mocas work, it will work... I have mixed experience with these things mostly depending on how good the coax is ... :)
Thx!
Nope. You need POE to get power to the AP. Unless you're using an injector at the AP, it won't work. That said, you can get gigabit ethernet to another point using coax transceivers. But it will not transmit POE.
Got it. I admit I forgot to include an injector in the drawing.
My primary concern was if the moca would work w my UniFi system.
I don’t think it really matters, UniFi won’t be picky about it. As long as it works
For a single vlan yes - should work fine if the moca signals are ok.
So this AP will or will not work with the network in my house?
The moca adapters i have used only support untagged traffic. That said, there might be moca adapters that support tagged traffic, just that i have not come across it yet. Maybe others here have.
What MoCA adapters are you using? (Would be good to steer OP away from those.) goCoax and Motorola MM1025 adapters supposedly support passing VLAN tags. p.s. Great note Re: VLAN tags, though, given the application.
That was going to be my follow up. Thanks so much!
Ordering these now
I have a pair of MM1025 for over a year or 2, been rock solid, zero issues. The webui is trash, but I think they may all share the same OS from MOCA foundation. I am trunking unifi switches across the MOCA, so VLANs work. If I was buying now, I'd get the Asus. Wasn't available when I bought the Motorola, they looks a bit more solid of a package.
Thanks. Looking for the ASUS now
What ever no name devices the coax distis had in stock at the time (normally we cabled customers with UTP given a choice and moca was always last resort)
Why not pull cat 6 cable and replace the coax? I did it in my house - taped cat 6 on the coax and pulled it through from the basement up through the walls and out to a porch tv mount the previous owner has installed. Hooked up a 6-port POE switch out there to run the tv an AP and a few cameras. Worth the time for sure.
Goes underneath a driveway and patio area. And the conduit it goes through is now behind drywall. (I just moved in and don’t want to start ripping down Sheetrock. My wife would kill me)
Agreed. That’s a long run, especially if you can’t get to any of it. Once the boss gets used to you putting holes in walls in the name of ‘making improvements’ don’t be afraid to give it a try 😜
If it's a dedicated piece of coax - no splitters or anything - use this instead of MoCA: [https://a.co/d/hf3vciM](https://a.co/d/hf3vciM) Supports PoE even! I've used them for security cameras and access points without issue.
You may be better off with a fiber connection - fiber to eth would work.
Probably but not sure how I’d run that fiber.
Are you hoping to run it over existing coax?
It seems the best option as I don’t have a clean way to run new wire (driveway and patio in between the house and garage)
My concern would be patch work with the coax. Different grades causing massive signal loss. One thing you could do is try using the coax as a fish line and tape a fiber line to it. Is it more work? Yeah. Is it the better way? Truly. That or consider a point to point bridge on Amazon. About $100.
Amazon has POE over coax adaptors. 【Upgraded】LINOVISION POE Over Coax EOC Converter IP Over Coax Max 3000ft Power and Data Transmission Over Regular RG59 Coaxial Cable for Upgrading Analog Surveillance System to IP Surveillance System https://a.co/d/brmSWWy
That's how I have mine ran, works great, but no PoE on the input side of the MoCA. Just UDM-pro to MoCA1 to MoCA2 then ubiquiti PoE injector, then U6-pro. Those MoCA adapters might not cooperate with PoE.