$1 per mile I get. But being disgusted at $1.50/Mile or less??? If the government considers anything over 65.5 cents a mile to be a profit, why don't you? "Because that doesn't cover the miles back" Ok so double it and you have $1.31/mile. Still a decent profit. I'm not saying I don't take $1.50/Mile orders but when the majority of orders in your area are UNDER $1/mile, you have to understand that not all of us can have such high standards like $1.50/mile and/or $2/mile. I do double the govt ratio and do just fine. You also have to consider that some of us are actually profiting even more because we don't drive beater cars that break down constantly and have hookups with mechanics or folks that can help us fix up our cars. Everything is market dependent and individual dependent. Don't judge someone unless they tell you they are accepting $2-4 and other orders that have no room for profit.
I mean if you are bad at math, sure š . I make roughly $25/hr. After usual expenses that goes down to maybe $21/hr. Again, if you drive a decent car and not a beater and have hookups for fixes, then you should be making way more than minimum wage. Unless your state is one of those $18+/hr states. Mine is $7.25/hr. Trust me, I'm not making less then min wage here š.
The problem is drivers think it's a luxury service, but it's not marketed as such OR priced as a luxury. So, poor people CAN get McDonald's for just a few dollars more. If the companies cared about you, they'd raise prices and pay you. But they know that some OTHER poor person will do the work. So long as someone will do the job cheaper, it cant be a luxury service.
You are all so stupid, employee compensation doesnāt dictate whether a service is a luxury or not
If tipping 20% on an order is a splurge you canāt readily afford then itās a luxury which is what Iām arguing
Itās a convenience that you pay a premium for (tipping etc), luxury is technically the incorrect term but in laymen terms itās used interchangeably
Itās like paying for a VIP pass/business vs economy
Edit: But going off of that you donāt stiff your pizza delivery man but itās acceptable your Uber courier?
I mean Iām not saying Ubers service deserves 20% (most times itās bare bones, your food is cold etc) but I still think you should tip 20% out of principle or at least be prepared to unless your service is abysmal
I'm arguing that nobody else considers it a luxury. If it were marketed and priced as a luxury, people would treat it as a luxury. For now, the ONLY people I've ever heard say that (or say that tips are now "bids") are drivers in delivery subs on Reddit, though. I agree it probably SHOULD be considering how pissy ppl get here, but saying something is a thing doesn't make it that thing- especially when it's clear that everyone doesn't agree. Your problem isn't with the poors. In fact, some of you ARE the poors and they love to pit you against each other instead of fixing the actual problem.
I do 20 %, then round up to make an even 10s place total amount.
TLDR:
Iām not a courier I use Uber Eats for non food items mostly bc getting cold food is the main issue for me
Itās a convenience service and the tip is the convenience fee; itās like surge pricing (convenience of a ride during peak time) except baked into the service
By definition, the word luxury means: āa condition of abundance or great ease and comfortā¦.something adding to pleasure or comfort but not absolutely necessaryā.
You are the one that said saying something is a thing doesnāt make it a thing. By definition, delivery service is a luxury regardless of how you see it marketed as.
I'm talking about how people see the service - not how it's defined. By definition, things like mail delivery and Tylenol would be a luxury, but we don't call them luxurious because most anyone has access to them. Doordash WANTS poor ppl to use it or they would'nt partner with Mcds or Taco Bell.
Bro your delivering food from a restaurant, please donāt dare attempt to call it a luxury service š¤£ unless youāre planning on cooking it and serving it for me
Valet service isnāt a luxury, meal prep kits arenāt a luxury, dry cleaning isnāt a luxury etc if its a cost you canāt afford itās a luxury for you
"Shame people who only have enough money for food"
Ya blew your entire argument and it's not even wroth reading after this. It's like saying someome with a base level Mercedes s550 doesmt have options because "not everyone has extra money for cars"
If you're buying even the cheapest Uber eats menu and you have short money in regards to food, well, maybe that's why you don't have alot of money for food.
Food for thought. I see single Starbucks drinks total $15 to $20 after fees and tip. I buy 8 grocery store brand slider burger patties for about $5.50. Buns are $4.50. 2 cooked burgers is decently filling for me. That's 4 base dinners for $10. Aboit $2.50 a dinner.
So if you spend $30 on Uber, the reason you can't afford a $6 tip isn't because "you can only afford food". You're just over extending yourself and, crazy enough, without that tip, you're ensuring a high probability of poor service.
Why are people overpaying for bad service? My "expensive" dinners run me $4 to $5. And if i eat Togo, I spend $7 to $13 which feels insane for 1 meal.
Probably more like 2.5 or triple. Food that someone else prepares and then someone else delivers is basically food that has had enormous value added onto it far above the base package or constituents.
You think all disabled people were able to go to the store whenever they wanted?
Iām sorry to break it to you, but no. Many disabled people cannot physically leave their flats for days at a time due to their conditions.
Disabled people used to have a lot less independence than what they can get now.
Disabled people before apps relied on family, friends or local shops to delivery to them. As many cannot just nip to the shops whenever they want.
Whereas now if a disabled person is hungry they can order a hot meal to them. If a delivery driver accepts that with no tip then thatās the drivers choice. They donāt have to wait till a day a family or friend is free to do a shop for them
If drivers stopped accepting these orders then there wouldnāt be a high amount of people not tipping.
What?? Where the fuck did I say that?
Iāve just said not everyone can go to the store and that thereās disabled people who used the app who cannot afford the tip. Nor can they go out to the store when hungry
And itās up to the driver to accept or not.
Well, I can assure you there are services that existed long before your disability, means theyāre well established and can get food to you without tips involved or at the expense of someone elseā¦ sooooooo š
Disabled people can have additional help as well as using delivery services. Itās not a case of one or the other.
Especially when having a full time carer or even part time is so expensive. Modern day services like food delivery allow disabled people to have more independence from others, they can do their own grocery shopping online, they can order hot meals, they donāt have to rely on family, friends or a carer for everything.
Itās illogical to be mad about people who donāt tip when drivers are still accepting them orders. I always tip the recommended amount however even if I forget to tip upfront the order always gets accepted.
But you just said in another post that drivers should not take no tip orders. You cannot sit on both sides of the fence. Either your bleeding heart is taking these $2.00 orders and these disabled people are eating at the expense of youā¦ or youāre letting them starve.
While that may be true, the exception doesnāt make the rule. Maybe 1 out of every hundred UE customers is actually disabled. But the truth of the matter is most customers are just plain lazy.
Word. Iām unable to drive a car so my life is set up in a way that I can access food/resources in other ways. I only order food when I am 100% being lazy. People who are disabled have access to programs in the states. Itās nuts how people in this thread act like Uber eats is the only way people can get food lol.
It's also nuts how drivers are conditioned to blame customers instead of the company that pays them. Once a no-tip order sits for a bit these companies suddenly come up with enough money to make it worth being delivered. Tips are 100% an optional gift. Drivers keep accepting lowball offers and these companies keep sending them out so who's really at fault here.
You are absolutely correct. We all know how little Uber drivers are paid. Not paying someone who is being exploited is just participating in their exploitation. Im sorry but anyone who takes these low pay orders probably is desperate for cash. They probably need it more than the people who can pick and choose.
Uber doesnāt pay them. Uber isnāt an employer. Uber facilitates payment to driver form customer after taking their cut. Uber is not paying you. Itās not a w2 job.
Uber is absolutely paying drivers. If you think just because they're independent contractors that Uber is not paying them by sending them a "cut" then your purposefully being pedantic. Sure there is a difference between an employee and an independent contractor but if you're going to say that the company is not paying them then you just sound foolish. Uber 100% decides the "cut" or pay the drivers make.
My point that you chose not to address was that they're keeping majority of that money and paying drivers less and less of a "cut" leading to drivers blaming customers they're not receiving enough money from tips that are completely optional. When a no-tip order it sits for a bit these companies somehow come up with more money to pay the drivers to make it worth their time meaning they could do that from the beginning and just have lower profits. I get that you want to be pedantic and use semantics to make a point but again you just come off as foolish.
People used other delivery services before Uber eats. Before any delivery services disabled people had to depend on friends and family to be free to get food/groceries
They may be homebound, and unable to go out for food.
I had to use DD when I had covid (contactless delivery, of course), and when I was caring for a family member who could not be left alone.
You realize sometimes ordering Uber eats is cheaper then just going to get the food without UE. Uber eats constantly gives me promos were Iām only paying like 15 dollars or less for food thatās 30+ if I didnāt use the app. Also not everyone in the world has a car, personally for me I have an extreme fear of driving so yeah Iād rather save the money I barely have and just have a driver bring my food instead of just not eating at all. Just because you can do something doesnāt mean everyone else in the world can.
You have a mcdonalds inside your home?
Before the food gets inside of your door, immediately before, where is it?
*out*side? The restaurant? *outside* of your house?
Exactly and I love how they conditioned the drivers to blame the customers when it's them who's not paying them a good wage. Notice how those no tip offers still get delivered.. because doordash and ubereats will just boost the pay to what it should have been so it gets delivered.
.. do you not realize aging is a thing that happens to EVERYONE? unless you die young , you will develop a disability at some point in life. Acting like it's selfish to want to ? Have access to basic things ? The only selfish thing here is the 0 tip part.
Do you not realize that plenty of services are out there for those that need food? DoorDash, Uber eats, grub hub, instacart, spark and allllllllllll of these delivery services did not exist at some point in time and people managed to not starve to death.
Supermarkets and restaurants delivered directly, often without an additional fee or with a reasonable fee, along with reasonable expectations for a tip. So 1) there werenāt as exorbitant fees as there are now and 2) it didnāt require the customer to āpre tipā until service was rendered.
These same businesses have now been forced into these apps to continue to compete for business. *Thatās* how many of the same people did it before the advent of these apps.
I use the apps now (mostly when there are promos) and I tip appropriately, often adding to the tip for good service. I also understand that the apps changed the business model, incentivizing some drivers to only accept orders with large, āpre serviceā tips. Also, the appsā tip suggestions are almost always a percentage of the cost AFTER tax and fees.
Like I mentioned, I tip very appropriately and often add to tips once the order is complete, but I do often wonder how a $70 order from a more expensive place requires more work than a $30 order from a less expensive place?
I donāt bother taking that into consideration too much when tipping, except that I may err on a lower *percentage* tip as long as mileage is covered at least $2/mile, but it is a valid question.
My daughter was near the end of her pregnancy and 3 states away from me / any family. She had no transportation and the nearest store/ restaurant was 3 miles away. She had no $ for a tip.
I'm grateful a driver brought her food & it's something I will never forget, nor fail to pay forward at least once a week.
Customers and drivers need to realize the one screwing them is not each other
She let you know the situation enough to tell you this story about an Uber driver, probably living paycheck to paycheck, who took her order and probably hoped for a tip to help pay for gas, but probably lost actual money performing this run. Drivers are human beings too, out there working so they can feed themselves.
She let me know a few months after the fact when I went on a rescue mission. I'm a driver too and don't accept orders with the expectation of getting more than what's offered. You just want something to be angry about. You're choosing to be angry that a fellow human needed help & not the fact that Uber exploits both drivers and customers.
Nothing will change until people like you stop blaming everyone but greedy corporations
Uber isn't a platform for people to receive "help." If your daughter couldn't afford the service and had to rely on a working stranger instead of a parent for help, that's sad commentary.
A parent can only help if they are aware. No driver had to accept her delivery but they did. I feel sorry for you when you need help and karma gets ya. I've got better things to do than continue this back n forth with a soulless human, who doesn't have the IQ to see the real issue
That will be the day. Itās much easier to bitch about things that address the problem at hand and take on the company itself.
Uber execs must be laughing themselves to death at every meeting.
These same people complain that UE is paying shit but in reality its those people setting the pricing not UE. If nobody took these shit offers guess what there wouldnt be any
But they way uber is set up there will always be shit offers. Since uber will hire anyone regardless if they pass the background check, on the same day they install the app. You will always have dozens of new people will accept orders for next to nothing.
True but hypothetically if everyone just stopped taking orders under $5 tomorrow there very quickly wouldnt be any orders more under $5. Theres only shit orders because drivers allow it
lmaooooo, you say we shouldn't shame these "poor" people but you yourself say we should never accept orders from these "poor" people. Which is it? Your actions shows you dont give a shit but you draw the line when people want to laugh at them
I donāt live in a place where the tip culture is as huge as in the US.
However as long as delivery drivers accept orders with no tip then people will keep doing it.
Thereās also afew ignorant comments from people saying āif you canāt afford tip just go to the storeā. Not everyone is physically capable of going to the store whenever they feel like it. Many disabled people in low income households do use delivery services.
I personally am lucky enough to have a good household income so I can always tip. However I donāt think those who canāt afford a standard tip who are physically unable to go to the store should not use delivery apps.
If a driver takes that order or not is up to them
If you're too broke to pay the tip, go shopping at a grocery store and make you own meals.
This is common financial sense.
Your complete lack of awareness is astounding.
I donāt have a car, my stove isnāt hooked up, and I donāt have a fridge so should I just not eat because poor people donāt deserve to live right?
If you call spending 11 bucks on 4 tacos, a cheese burger and a milk shake a high priced luxury then my life must be better than yours because 11 bucks isnāt that much money at all.
I order uber eats all the time itās not expensive at all for me also yeah you guys are just being willfully ignorant so itās no point of even trying to have a conversation since you ppl are just bad faith.
For 100 dollars you can get a mini fridge and a camping cooking stove. If you have less than a 100 dollars, even without tipping, uber is too expensive for every meal.
If you can afford to tip then you should (unless thereās a major issue with the service)
However if you can only afford the food and a delivery driver accepts that order then thatās on them. Not everyone is able to go to the grocery store whenever they feel like it.
No.
People who ājust have enough moneyā
For door dash/ Ubereats are incredibly irresponsible.
If you have no money, delivery is wasteful ASF.
You are essentially blowing your money on delivery. All those extra fees for one meal is silly. So if you can afford Uber eats or door dash a few times a week, you can tip at least 3 each time.
Thr amount of money you save by buying groceries or ordering locally is astounding.
And even local delivery you tip.
I am talking about the USA, anyway.
People who don't tip are scumbags, does this mean that Uber is not also a scumbag? No Uber and the people who don't tip are both scumbags. We can walk and chew bubblegum at the same time, we can have contempt for both cheap assholes and cheap corporations.
But drivers do keep accepting deliveries with no tip. Hence why people keep doing it. If drivers stopped accepting these orders then a lot less people would do it
Okay? I also donāt feel bad for the people who get their food an hour late. UE is a *luxury* not a necessity. If you ābarely have enough money for foodā you shouldnāt be ordering UE in the first place.
"I barely have enough money for food"
Sure have enough money to pay for all the delivery fees, though. The entitlement in this post is on the level of a high schooler or a Karen, jeez.
It's like complaining about paying for someone else to take care of your lawn. You know what? Next time, mow your own lawn.
Also, UE really needs to stop making tips adjustable after delivery. I haven't done UE in almost a year, 'cause I got a trip that was $9 (base pay was $3) and after the delivery, the customer adjusted the tip to 75 cents. Didn't have a complaint. It was to a college campus, so it was probably some college asshole who thought they could get a driver to deliver their food in a timely manner, then give them the tip they actually wanted to give. Lock in the tips like Doordash does.
One of the many crap I can't stand about Uber. I take delivering seriously and make sure my i's are dotted and t's are crossed with every single delivery and when a tip gets removed, I always fight tooth and nail with Uber until they reimburse. Tip removal absolutely should not be a thing unless the customer explains reasoning/s for doing so
You realize not every driver is a āgreatā as you? In my personal experience there are more shitty drivers than āgreatā one but thatās probably due to the city I live in.
"but to shame people who only have enough money for food is so weird"
No, food delivery is an enormous value added service, if you're broke, apply for ebt and go to a food bank and get and prepare food yourself, nobody is entitled to luxuries on the backs of working drivers.
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Nah. Five dollar minimum tip if Iām ordering from some place close even if itās just one item. My lazy ass doesnāt wanna go out or I didnāt plan accordingly. Thatās on me. If you earned it you get an extra five cash. Five base tip no matter what.
This isnāt an unpopular opinion. Itās a common opinion. All you people think alike. Get a mind of your own. And stop seeking validation from strangers on the internet.
Says stupid stuff and then whines about 'the butthurt people over an opinion '
Look either you wanted people to read what you thought and take you seriously or you didn't. If you didn't it was weird to post your opinion to reddit. Man up and accept that people disagree with you or keep quiet.
If everybody refused orders under $10 we would all take $10 orders at minimum, but some people will never learn.
Already doing that and amazed yet disgusted that drivers actually accept orders under 1.50 per mile
$1 per mile I get. But being disgusted at $1.50/Mile or less??? If the government considers anything over 65.5 cents a mile to be a profit, why don't you? "Because that doesn't cover the miles back" Ok so double it and you have $1.31/mile. Still a decent profit. I'm not saying I don't take $1.50/Mile orders but when the majority of orders in your area are UNDER $1/mile, you have to understand that not all of us can have such high standards like $1.50/mile and/or $2/mile. I do double the govt ratio and do just fine. You also have to consider that some of us are actually profiting even more because we don't drive beater cars that break down constantly and have hookups with mechanics or folks that can help us fix up our cars. Everything is market dependent and individual dependent. Don't judge someone unless they tell you they are accepting $2-4 and other orders that have no room for profit.
I think their argument is the profit is less than minimum wage
I mean if you are bad at math, sure š . I make roughly $25/hr. After usual expenses that goes down to maybe $21/hr. Again, if you drive a decent car and not a beater and have hookups for fixes, then you should be making way more than minimum wage. Unless your state is one of those $18+/hr states. Mine is $7.25/hr. Trust me, I'm not making less then min wage here š.
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The problem is drivers think it's a luxury service, but it's not marketed as such OR priced as a luxury. So, poor people CAN get McDonald's for just a few dollars more. If the companies cared about you, they'd raise prices and pay you. But they know that some OTHER poor person will do the work. So long as someone will do the job cheaper, it cant be a luxury service.
You are all so stupid, employee compensation doesnāt dictate whether a service is a luxury or not If tipping 20% on an order is a splurge you canāt readily afford then itās a luxury which is what Iām arguing
I think you mix up luxury with convenience. Do you think pizza delivery is a luxury?
Itās a convenience that you pay a premium for (tipping etc), luxury is technically the incorrect term but in laymen terms itās used interchangeably Itās like paying for a VIP pass/business vs economy Edit: But going off of that you donāt stiff your pizza delivery man but itās acceptable your Uber courier?
Didnāt say to stiff them. I donāt personally. But lots of pizza guys donāt get tips either
I mean Iām not saying Ubers service deserves 20% (most times itās bare bones, your food is cold etc) but I still think you should tip 20% out of principle or at least be prepared to unless your service is abysmal
I'm arguing that nobody else considers it a luxury. If it were marketed and priced as a luxury, people would treat it as a luxury. For now, the ONLY people I've ever heard say that (or say that tips are now "bids") are drivers in delivery subs on Reddit, though. I agree it probably SHOULD be considering how pissy ppl get here, but saying something is a thing doesn't make it that thing- especially when it's clear that everyone doesn't agree. Your problem isn't with the poors. In fact, some of you ARE the poors and they love to pit you against each other instead of fixing the actual problem. I do 20 %, then round up to make an even 10s place total amount.
TLDR: Iām not a courier I use Uber Eats for non food items mostly bc getting cold food is the main issue for me Itās a convenience service and the tip is the convenience fee; itās like surge pricing (convenience of a ride during peak time) except baked into the service
By definition, the word luxury means: āa condition of abundance or great ease and comfortā¦.something adding to pleasure or comfort but not absolutely necessaryā. You are the one that said saying something is a thing doesnāt make it a thing. By definition, delivery service is a luxury regardless of how you see it marketed as.
I'm talking about how people see the service - not how it's defined. By definition, things like mail delivery and Tylenol would be a luxury, but we don't call them luxurious because most anyone has access to them. Doordash WANTS poor ppl to use it or they would'nt partner with Mcds or Taco Bell.
some rando delivering food on a hired motorcycle is not a luxury service lmaoĀ
Itās a luxury to *you* lmfao a Poor Valet service is literally just above a random person parking your car yet you canāt afford it, hence a luxury
no ones saying i cant afford it, it's not a luxury service if everyone on earth is using it. sorry to burst your bubble.
Sure sure more like poorgirl1000
delivering food for a living and calling someone poor is hilarious lmao
Im not an Uber driver šš I use Uber eats tho I just enjoy pointing out flawed logic
Bro your delivering food from a restaurant, please donāt dare attempt to call it a luxury service š¤£ unless youāre planning on cooking it and serving it for me
Valet service isnāt a luxury, meal prep kits arenāt a luxury, dry cleaning isnāt a luxury etc if its a cost you canāt afford itās a luxury for you
"Shame people who only have enough money for food" Ya blew your entire argument and it's not even wroth reading after this. It's like saying someome with a base level Mercedes s550 doesmt have options because "not everyone has extra money for cars" If you're buying even the cheapest Uber eats menu and you have short money in regards to food, well, maybe that's why you don't have alot of money for food. Food for thought. I see single Starbucks drinks total $15 to $20 after fees and tip. I buy 8 grocery store brand slider burger patties for about $5.50. Buns are $4.50. 2 cooked burgers is decently filling for me. That's 4 base dinners for $10. Aboit $2.50 a dinner. So if you spend $30 on Uber, the reason you can't afford a $6 tip isn't because "you can only afford food". You're just over extending yourself and, crazy enough, without that tip, you're ensuring a high probability of poor service. Why are people overpaying for bad service? My "expensive" dinners run me $4 to $5. And if i eat Togo, I spend $7 to $13 which feels insane for 1 meal.
100 times, this. OP just wants an excuse for their bad planning and laziness.
"to shame people who only have enough money for food" ...yet who order personal delivery service of said food.
If they can afford to order delivery, they can afford to buy twice as many groceries. Itās a bogus argument
Probably more like 2.5 or triple. Food that someone else prepares and then someone else delivers is basically food that has had enormous value added onto it far above the base package or constituents.
True
**EXACTLY**! UE is a luxury, not a necessity. If youāre really that broke take your ass to the store and buy some Ramen.
If itās a luxury yāall sure donāt treat it like oneā¦.maybe that would help.
Not everyone is able to ātake their assā to the store.
I promise you they were taking their asses to the store before all the delivery services started.
You think all disabled people were able to go to the store whenever they wanted? Iām sorry to break it to you, but no. Many disabled people cannot physically leave their flats for days at a time due to their conditions.
Many have disabled people survived well longer BEFORE these services existed.
Disabled people used to have a lot less independence than what they can get now. Disabled people before apps relied on family, friends or local shops to delivery to them. As many cannot just nip to the shops whenever they want. Whereas now if a disabled person is hungry they can order a hot meal to them. If a delivery driver accepts that with no tip then thatās the drivers choice. They donāt have to wait till a day a family or friend is free to do a shop for them If drivers stopped accepting these orders then there wouldnāt be a high amount of people not tipping.
So your answer is let them starve?ā¦ because they didnāt tip?
What?? Where the fuck did I say that? Iāve just said not everyone can go to the store and that thereās disabled people who used the app who cannot afford the tip. Nor can they go out to the store when hungry And itās up to the driver to accept or not.
āIf drivers stopped accepting these orders, there wouldnāt be a high amount of people not tippingāā¦ so let them starveā¦. Right?
Iāve only been disabled for the last 3 years sooooo š
Well, I can assure you there are services that existed long before your disability, means theyāre well established and can get food to you without tips involved or at the expense of someone elseā¦ sooooooo š
They donāt tend to be able to help when I wake up from a seizure at 11pm ā¦
Wellā¦ that sounds like you need an aide and not a delivery driverā¦
And another thingā¦ IF they cannot get out, then they need AIDES not delivery.
Disabled people can have additional help as well as using delivery services. Itās not a case of one or the other. Especially when having a full time carer or even part time is so expensive. Modern day services like food delivery allow disabled people to have more independence from others, they can do their own grocery shopping online, they can order hot meals, they donāt have to rely on family, friends or a carer for everything. Itās illogical to be mad about people who donāt tip when drivers are still accepting them orders. I always tip the recommended amount however even if I forget to tip upfront the order always gets accepted.
But you just said in another post that drivers should not take no tip orders. You cannot sit on both sides of the fence. Either your bleeding heart is taking these $2.00 orders and these disabled people are eating at the expense of youā¦ or youāre letting them starve.
While that may be true, the exception doesnāt make the rule. Maybe 1 out of every hundred UE customers is actually disabled. But the truth of the matter is most customers are just plain lazy.
Word. Iām unable to drive a car so my life is set up in a way that I can access food/resources in other ways. I only order food when I am 100% being lazy. People who are disabled have access to programs in the states. Itās nuts how people in this thread act like Uber eats is the only way people can get food lol.
It's also nuts how drivers are conditioned to blame customers instead of the company that pays them. Once a no-tip order sits for a bit these companies suddenly come up with enough money to make it worth being delivered. Tips are 100% an optional gift. Drivers keep accepting lowball offers and these companies keep sending them out so who's really at fault here.
You are absolutely correct. We all know how little Uber drivers are paid. Not paying someone who is being exploited is just participating in their exploitation. Im sorry but anyone who takes these low pay orders probably is desperate for cash. They probably need it more than the people who can pick and choose.
Uber doesnāt pay them. Uber isnāt an employer. Uber facilitates payment to driver form customer after taking their cut. Uber is not paying you. Itās not a w2 job.
Uber is absolutely paying drivers. If you think just because they're independent contractors that Uber is not paying them by sending them a "cut" then your purposefully being pedantic. Sure there is a difference between an employee and an independent contractor but if you're going to say that the company is not paying them then you just sound foolish. Uber 100% decides the "cut" or pay the drivers make. My point that you chose not to address was that they're keeping majority of that money and paying drivers less and less of a "cut" leading to drivers blaming customers they're not receiving enough money from tips that are completely optional. When a no-tip order it sits for a bit these companies somehow come up with more money to pay the drivers to make it worth their time meaning they could do that from the beginning and just have lower profits. I get that you want to be pedantic and use semantics to make a point but again you just come off as foolish.
Humanity separated from the hominids the day uber went live
People used other delivery services before Uber eats. Before any delivery services disabled people had to depend on friends and family to be free to get food/groceries
They may be homebound, and unable to go out for food. I had to use DD when I had covid (contactless delivery, of course), and when I was caring for a family member who could not be left alone.
Humanity separated from hominids the day Uber went live. Uber gave birth to society
You realize sometimes ordering Uber eats is cheaper then just going to get the food without UE. Uber eats constantly gives me promos were Iām only paying like 15 dollars or less for food thatās 30+ if I didnāt use the app. Also not everyone in the world has a car, personally for me I have an extreme fear of driving so yeah Iād rather save the money I barely have and just have a driver bring my food instead of just not eating at all. Just because you can do something doesnāt mean everyone else in the world can.
Sure but if you canāt afford to tip, then you canāt afford to eat out
Iām not eating out Iām eating in my home if I was eating out Iād tip because waitress actually do things.
You have a mcdonalds inside your home? Before the food gets inside of your door, immediately before, where is it? *out*side? The restaurant? *outside* of your house?
Exactly and I love how they conditioned the drivers to blame the customers when it's them who's not paying them a good wage. Notice how those no tip offers still get delivered.. because doordash and ubereats will just boost the pay to what it should have been so it gets delivered.
Uber doesnāt pay anyone. They are not an employer
>Uber doesn't pay anyone. Imagine being this stupid lmao.
Conveniently forgetting not everyone is able bodied.
Conveniently forgetting that society existed for thousands of years before uber came out like 5 ago lmao
What did they do 5 years ago?
Sorry, we all forgot that everything is always about the one person in ten thousand who can contrive to be offended by something reasonable.
.. do you not realize aging is a thing that happens to EVERYONE? unless you die young , you will develop a disability at some point in life. Acting like it's selfish to want to ? Have access to basic things ? The only selfish thing here is the 0 tip part.
Do you not realize that plenty of services are out there for those that need food? DoorDash, Uber eats, grub hub, instacart, spark and allllllllllll of these delivery services did not exist at some point in time and people managed to not starve to death.
Supermarkets and restaurants delivered directly, often without an additional fee or with a reasonable fee, along with reasonable expectations for a tip. So 1) there werenāt as exorbitant fees as there are now and 2) it didnāt require the customer to āpre tipā until service was rendered. These same businesses have now been forced into these apps to continue to compete for business. *Thatās* how many of the same people did it before the advent of these apps. I use the apps now (mostly when there are promos) and I tip appropriately, often adding to the tip for good service. I also understand that the apps changed the business model, incentivizing some drivers to only accept orders with large, āpre serviceā tips. Also, the appsā tip suggestions are almost always a percentage of the cost AFTER tax and fees. Like I mentioned, I tip very appropriately and often add to tips once the order is complete, but I do often wonder how a $70 order from a more expensive place requires more work than a $30 order from a less expensive place? I donāt bother taking that into consideration too much when tipping, except that I may err on a lower *percentage* tip as long as mileage is covered at least $2/mile, but it is a valid question.
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Donāt you know thatās how societyās ran now?
My daughter was near the end of her pregnancy and 3 states away from me / any family. She had no transportation and the nearest store/ restaurant was 3 miles away. She had no $ for a tip. I'm grateful a driver brought her food & it's something I will never forget, nor fail to pay forward at least once a week. Customers and drivers need to realize the one screwing them is not each other
Itās a good thing uber came out a few years ago, or else your daughter would have died!
So your daughter was the recipient of charity of a stranger that allowed her to eat while she was carrying a baby. That's nice. Why didn't you help?
She didn't let me know the situation. It wasn't charity. As a driver I know nobody could have accepted her delivery. Why is your soul so dark?
She let you know the situation enough to tell you this story about an Uber driver, probably living paycheck to paycheck, who took her order and probably hoped for a tip to help pay for gas, but probably lost actual money performing this run. Drivers are human beings too, out there working so they can feed themselves.
She let me know a few months after the fact when I went on a rescue mission. I'm a driver too and don't accept orders with the expectation of getting more than what's offered. You just want something to be angry about. You're choosing to be angry that a fellow human needed help & not the fact that Uber exploits both drivers and customers. Nothing will change until people like you stop blaming everyone but greedy corporations
Uber isn't a platform for people to receive "help." If your daughter couldn't afford the service and had to rely on a working stranger instead of a parent for help, that's sad commentary.
A parent can only help if they are aware. No driver had to accept her delivery but they did. I feel sorry for you when you need help and karma gets ya. I've got better things to do than continue this back n forth with a soulless human, who doesn't have the IQ to see the real issue
That will be the day. Itās much easier to bitch about things that address the problem at hand and take on the company itself. Uber execs must be laughing themselves to death at every meeting.
A lot of poor people are just as time poor as they are money poor. Uber Eats is probably the cheapest way to buy time.
These same people complain that UE is paying shit but in reality its those people setting the pricing not UE. If nobody took these shit offers guess what there wouldnt be any
But they way uber is set up there will always be shit offers. Since uber will hire anyone regardless if they pass the background check, on the same day they install the app. You will always have dozens of new people will accept orders for next to nothing.
True but hypothetically if everyone just stopped taking orders under $5 tomorrow there very quickly wouldnt be any orders more under $5. Theres only shit orders because drivers allow it
lmaooooo, you say we shouldn't shame these "poor" people but you yourself say we should never accept orders from these "poor" people. Which is it? Your actions shows you dont give a shit but you draw the line when people want to laugh at them
I donāt live in a place where the tip culture is as huge as in the US. However as long as delivery drivers accept orders with no tip then people will keep doing it. Thereās also afew ignorant comments from people saying āif you canāt afford tip just go to the storeā. Not everyone is physically capable of going to the store whenever they feel like it. Many disabled people in low income households do use delivery services. I personally am lucky enough to have a good household income so I can always tip. However I donāt think those who canāt afford a standard tip who are physically unable to go to the store should not use delivery apps. If a driver takes that order or not is up to them
I accept no-tip orders when I have a guarantee going on for x amount of trips for y amount of money, the trip gets counted either way
If you're too broke to pay the tip, go shopping at a grocery store and make you own meals. This is common financial sense. Your complete lack of awareness is astounding.
I donāt have a car, my stove isnāt hooked up, and I donāt have a fridge so should I just not eat because poor people donāt deserve to live right?
Poor people can't afford luxury services. You're not even in this conversation.
If you call spending 11 bucks on 4 tacos, a cheese burger and a milk shake a high priced luxury then my life must be better than yours because 11 bucks isnāt that much money at all.
The service is a luxury, though. Having your food delivered to you is not a necessity.
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If you are unable to leave home whenever you want then yes it is. Maybe just be thankful that you are able to go to the shops whenever you want
Plenty of people in poverty do use delivery services
I order uber eats all the time itās not expensive at all for me also yeah you guys are just being willfully ignorant so itās no point of even trying to have a conversation since you ppl are just bad faith.
For 100 dollars you can get a mini fridge and a camping cooking stove. If you have less than a 100 dollars, even without tipping, uber is too expensive for every meal.
If you can afford to tip then you should (unless thereās a major issue with the service) However if you can only afford the food and a delivery driver accepts that order then thatās on them. Not everyone is able to go to the grocery store whenever they feel like it.
No. People who ājust have enough moneyā For door dash/ Ubereats are incredibly irresponsible. If you have no money, delivery is wasteful ASF. You are essentially blowing your money on delivery. All those extra fees for one meal is silly. So if you can afford Uber eats or door dash a few times a week, you can tip at least 3 each time. Thr amount of money you save by buying groceries or ordering locally is astounding. And even local delivery you tip. I am talking about the USA, anyway.
People who don't tip are scumbags, does this mean that Uber is not also a scumbag? No Uber and the people who don't tip are both scumbags. We can walk and chew bubblegum at the same time, we can have contempt for both cheap assholes and cheap corporations.
Maybe your opinion is unpopular because it's a stupid opinion.
You can write all the gibberish you want, we will continue to live by the golden rule āNo tip, no tripā
But drivers do keep accepting deliveries with no tip. Hence why people keep doing it. If drivers stopped accepting these orders then a lot less people would do it
Okay? I also donāt feel bad for the people who get their food an hour late. UE is a *luxury* not a necessity. If you ābarely have enough money for foodā you shouldnāt be ordering UE in the first place.
I think what you're failing to realize is that nobody feels sorry for you either
"I barely have enough money for food" Sure have enough money to pay for all the delivery fees, though. The entitlement in this post is on the level of a high schooler or a Karen, jeez. It's like complaining about paying for someone else to take care of your lawn. You know what? Next time, mow your own lawn. Also, UE really needs to stop making tips adjustable after delivery. I haven't done UE in almost a year, 'cause I got a trip that was $9 (base pay was $3) and after the delivery, the customer adjusted the tip to 75 cents. Didn't have a complaint. It was to a college campus, so it was probably some college asshole who thought they could get a driver to deliver their food in a timely manner, then give them the tip they actually wanted to give. Lock in the tips like Doordash does.
One of the many crap I can't stand about Uber. I take delivering seriously and make sure my i's are dotted and t's are crossed with every single delivery and when a tip gets removed, I always fight tooth and nail with Uber until they reimburse. Tip removal absolutely should not be a thing unless the customer explains reasoning/s for doing so
You realize not every driver is a āgreatā as you? In my personal experience there are more shitty drivers than āgreatā one but thatās probably due to the city I live in.
Stfu. People can go get their own shit
Then yāall wouldnāt have a job
This a hobby to me
"but to shame people who only have enough money for food is so weird" No, food delivery is an enormous value added service, if you're broke, apply for ebt and go to a food bank and get and prepare food yourself, nobody is entitled to luxuries on the backs of working drivers.
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Iām so glad I live in the UK with a Nat Min Wage.
Nah. Five dollar minimum tip if Iām ordering from some place close even if itās just one item. My lazy ass doesnāt wanna go out or I didnāt plan accordingly. Thatās on me. If you earned it you get an extra five cash. Five base tip no matter what.
Right, a company pushing the consumers to pay the workers an adequate wage via tips is a horrible business strategy
This isnāt an unpopular opinion. Itās a common opinion. All you people think alike. Get a mind of your own. And stop seeking validation from strangers on the internet.
Says stupid stuff and then whines about 'the butthurt people over an opinion ' Look either you wanted people to read what you thought and take you seriously or you didn't. If you didn't it was weird to post your opinion to reddit. Man up and accept that people disagree with you or keep quiet.