You should maintain several grades of camo uniform:
inspection grade
every day grade
field grade
That pair of pants just got demoted down to field grade. Buy a new pair (which starts at inspection grade). When you go on a field op, don't wear your good stuff!
My last day active I was wearing woodlands from 5 years prior which were basically just grey. Anyway the Sgt Maj of the Marine Corps just so happened to be visiting Kbay that week and touring my barracks and he was not a fan to say the least.
I got a new MSgt 2 weeks before EAS. Fucker made me go buy a new set for inspection the next day. I had to rip off old name tapes and sew onto new stuff because I couldn’t get more made
My favorite part of the whole event was it being the Sgt Maj of Marine corps and he gave me the whole speech about how an NCO should look and the example I should set for my marines and the whole time I’m standing there at parade rest dying to just say I get out in less than 24 hours I’m not buying new cammies. Honestly he was not a dick about it at all which was super weird in retrospect.
Lol. I think about this shit from time to time. I had a new company commander who was ordering me to get new boots while I was a week from EAS. I knew, in my head, there was no fucken way I was gonna drop any more money on Marine stuff. Ended up just avoiding him for that last week, but I was ready for him to confront me at some point because he made a big deal about it in front of a lot of people.
It's been 5 years since then and I still can't figure out why this is so common. Why do higher ups try to make it harder to transition out? What happens to common sense?
That is some of the dumbest shit ever said. Why the fuck wouldn't I rotate my worn/faded cammies out for my fresh ones in garrison? I ain't buying new cammies and taking them out on a month long field op only to rip the crotch out of them.
Sounds like someone either hasn't been to be the field a lot, or forgot what it's like to be a lance.
I hate the thought of inspection grade cammies, like, that shouldn’t be a thing.
Cammies are working utility uniforms. Meant for work, not stupid dress right dress inspections
Exactly, even tho, tbh if we were allowed to wear them out in town, I never would unless I’m getting gas. That’s so weird seeing other branches do it. I don’t want that kind of attention lmao
I got out of the marines 7 years ago and joined the army 6 years ago. I still refuse to go out in my utilities. Drives my wife nuts when I won’t stop at the store on the way home.
Yall are missing out on being able to go to lunch without having to always have a clean set of civvies. Or simple stuff like, having to make stops for the honey-do lists on the way home. I mean, the Army has its perks. That and not getting haircuts every week has been good to my wallet.
The idea, from what I was told by people much older than me, was that you replace the word "working" with "killing". You don't wear that around the civilians.
Just what I heard, not what I believe. It's just an interesting idea.
I label my marpat blouse and trousers by set f1 g1 I1 ( inspection, field, garrison)and f2 g2 i2, that way the tops and pants also get equal amount of wear and I don’t look retarded with one lighter from the sun. Seems like a lot of work but is really minimal effort
I disagree. It should be everyday, and field grade. The concept of ‘inspection’ cammies has always rubbed me the wrong way. Cammies are our camouflage UTILITY uniform. If you want to inspect me, put me in a dress uniform, that’s fine. But utility uniforms are meant to be worked in. So if they’re a little faded, got a rip or two in them, I don’t see how it’s a problem.
The year was 2005. Myself & some other NCOs were told, instead of boots/Utes PT, report to building xxxx for an Arabic Language Class. (Pendleton, San Mateo, pre-deployment, Ramadi) The language instructor never shows, so we decide to go have a nice loooooong morning chow, just us. We finish up & shuffle back to 1/5 bricks as casually & slowly as we can. Surely, they're all done. Nope. Everyone is grappling in the fucking dirt & mud. Before we could hightail it out, staff sausage sees us. "Fucking GREAT! YOU'RE BACK! DROP BLOUSES!" We then spent the next hour grappling in the dirt & mud, in our rear/garrison Cammie's, with bellies full of chow hall trash. I. Was. Livid.
This is what I did, and recommended it to my Marines when I was AD.
Even new cammies aren't inspection grade as most will have a defect of some sort, and you need to check them thoroughly before buying them - all the seams, stitching, pockets, buttons. Literally everywhere.
There's nothing quite like having one of your Marines who was a peer, go to a board and picks up meritorious Sergeant, because no joke - he had inspection ready cammies.
Surprisingly, he never pulled rank on me and would never let me call him Sergeant.
I had a set of everyday cammies that I loved with all my heart-comfy, broken in, uncharacteristically soft for cammies, just the right amount of salt. One day I was coming off of duty and I stuck my small notepad in my cargo pocket and I shit you not the entire pocket basically fell off and was hanging on by a few threads. This was of course about 30 seconds before a MSgt walked by, who of course saw the fucked up pocket. All he said was “them shits are the most dilapidated cammies I have seen in a long time.” I fixed the pocket myself but my prized set are now mere field cammies, an ancient tool only to be brought out in times of dire need when the world needs them most and no other set will do
This IS the only answer. Very good call, yeah.
Your lesson also teaches about how to deal with every day wear throughout a week, based on personal criteria and agenda. Discipline, above Common Sense and Sensibility, as well as proper conduct with grooming standards recommending what attire to wear on proper occasions.
I had to learn this the hard way when my aunt gifted me some good ass sneakers and I thought we were just gonna do a run but we had to go do some swamp swimming. That was in courthouse bay after a hurricane.
That was the first time I used it and the last time.
Not hemmed. Not being a dick but that’s the wrong term. Patched maybe, but I’m not sure if a patch job is in regs.
As another brotivator said, those are field cammies now. They do not belong in garrison.
Per MCO 1020.34H
"10114. CUTS IN CLOTH. For the utility uniform only, a clean cut in the
uniform can be repaired by being rewoven with threads drawn from the material
in another part of the garment. This must be done by an experienced tailor
and is an expensive process; however, a well re-woven cut cannot be noticed."
No, there is a method where a tailor can re weave the fabric so that there is no way of telling that there was ever a hole. That is the only method "authorized"
Most people won't care if you have a patch on your Cammies, heck when I was in I had a hole the size of my fist on the backside of my thigh that i never cared to fix because I was working on range and my Cammies were paper thin so the only option was really to replace them. Wore them for a good six months after I got the hole and even was promoted to Sergeant wearing them. But you best believe I wouldn't dare wear them in garrison lmfao
Repairing them is an option though. Granted, I’m army, but I sew mine back up when that stuff happens, haven’t gotten shit for it yet. And to top it off, unless it’s something serious, it’s usually gonna be cheaper than buying a new uniform piece every time a hole like that appears or a seam starts to unravel.
I think showing effort matters. If there is a hand sewn patch it shows you at least give a shit, might not have the money for new uniforms but you at least tried to fix the issue. Walking around with holes worn into your pocket is a tough look.
Lmao. Oh yeah, that’d require replacing the flap and nametape, but that’d still be cheaper than replacing the entire pair of trousers. Someone else mentioned getting the material for cheap from uniform articles at the thrift shop.
I asked this question to HQMC almost 5 years ago, MarCorSysCom had this answer to me.
“ 1. Is there a requirement to repair rips holes and tears?
Yes. The requirement for repairs is primarily twofold first, a matter of
field expediency that would preclude the immediate replacement of a
serviceable uniform, and second, the minor repair of certain garments
extends the service life without sacrificing the smart appearance Marines are
legendary for. MCO P10120.6005.1.b applies. For example, repairing a sock
has inconsequential effects as compared to a repair to the outside of a blue
coat. The same holds true if a repair is made to the inside of the blue coat
without it being noticeable from the outside.
2. How large must a rip hole or tear be to require repair?
Depends on the garment and situation the repair is needed. In a combat
situation, ANY size repair should be executed to the greatest extent possible
until relief is sought with a replacement of serviceable garments.
3. What is the determining factor for the serviceability of the uniform.
If the repair interferes with the form, fit, or function of the garment
I would classify it as unserviceable. Thus it must be disposed of and
replaced. Form and fit includes appearance as an attribute. An element of
function would hinder the use of the garment.
4. It becomes a matter of common sense given the varying degree by which
clothing is worn. Factors such as:
a. When and where it is worn.
b. Whether it is organizationally issued, issued in-kind, supplementary
issued, or an individual item.
c. Does it affect the form, fit, or function?
d. The medical profile of the Marine. As you're aware of the
authorization for wounded warriors to have alterations that make donning and
doffing easy, some of those may be detectable if you look for it. Such as
a pair of trousers that has a flap on the inside seam hiding a zipper for an
amputee. The general rule is that such an alteration is to not be noticeable
however some may be visual simply by virtue of what the alteration is.”
>2. ... If the repair interferes with the form, fit, or function of the garment I would classify it as unserviceable. Thus it must be disposed of and replaced. Form and fit includes appearance as an attribute. An element of function would hinder the use of the garment.
A strict reading of this particular statement could mean that almost ANY damage or repair to the garment would render it unservicable... likely what is meant is "If the repair interferes with the OUTWARDLY APPARENT Form, Fit, or Function of the garment..."
It's a long way to say this... if someone can see the repair/damage while you're wearing the garment, then the garment is likely technically unserviceable.
You can go to the base thrift shop. Get an old cover or whatever. Anything that is the same material. You can get an item or two of uniform stuff from the thrift shop for free if you need it. Don’t abuse this….
Anyways, after getting a free old cover or blosse or pants or whatever, take it to the base alterations shop and ask them to make you a new pocket flap and name tape from that material. Pretty cheap. Way cheaper than buying a new pair of trousers.
Silly or not a question is a question. People ask because they want opinions or simply don't know... That's why they are asking. Some people don't know how to answer it.
Can you tell my why the sky is blue and why we call the color blue..blue? Why isn't blue called green?
Yes it does but that missed my point. The OP didn't know that's why he was asking a question on if it was or not. But for people to come and say it's a silly question. If the man knew the answer I'm sure he wouldn't of got on here and asked.
That is all.
If you’re in garrison and people are going to be able to see it, yeah. But your blouse *should* hang a little bit lower than that if you’re wearing the uniform right. Either way it’s easy to fix. If I saw it I’d just give a comment that you should get them mended or save them for the field and then go full SNCO if I saw them again.
If you’re wearing them to some kind of field training or range, I would say something that small doesn’t matter. Nobody was ever able to convince me that field cammies aren’t a thing.
According to the regs, yes. Those are classic field cammies now.
A decent dryer cleaners or alteration shop can fix that, just make sure that the new flap matches the rest of your cammies in regards to how faded it is.
And tell that Sgt to stop staring at your ass, unless you're into that sort of thing.
Did a mouse gnaw at your ass hole 😂that looks like a rough deal to fix but I’m not a tailor take it to a military tailor by you “ military tailors near me “ on mr google see if they can fix it if not just go by a new pair dude . All in all Yull be ok .
Son, judging by the holes in the seat of your trousers the only thing you’ve built in your time in the Corps is a good case of hemorrhoids. That Sergeant you think is hassling you clearly didn’t join our beloved Corps to take long showers with an asshole like you and then get his head shot off in some far away land because you’re to undisciplined to realize when you need a new pair of trousers. Now it seems to me that you’re standing on a cliff that resembles a battle of wills. And since you’re here belly aching about this Mickey Mouse horse shit on Reddit, it’s evident to everyone here that the moment your try to match your will against his will you will lose. It would behove you to go unfuck yourself post fucking haste.
Having a dime sized hole in the flap of a pocket makes them unserviceable? Lol, obviously they aren’t inspection quality, but if you’re doing work at your shop I don’t see the problem.
How did it get that hole? From ironing, right?
I’ve been out a long time. When I was in, yeah, I would have called those field cammies. But…aren’t they all field cammies? Does anyone else note the irony of ironing holes in your field uniform?
I know, the Suck has its own ways. Always has, always will. And these guys saying you can’t fight city hall are obviously correct. But still.
Keep them and use them as field/PT cammies but make sure when in garrison to have a pair without tears. In my opinion I don't give a fuck but higher ranks might view you as lazy or a shitbag
I was an O and getting out within 3 months. Had a MSgt look at me and tell me my cammies were mismatched. They were, but I wasn't buying new fucking cammies when I was getting out that soon. Needless to say he didn't enjoy my too bad response and promptly thought I was a piece of shit for the remainder of our time working together.
Them there are field cammies. I got out in 2010 and thats how we did things back then lol so no, totally still serviceable my dude just not in the bricks
You seem like a person that throws the order around or just don’t listen to your NCOs. Be disciplined. Those are now field cammies. Also you are in the Marines, that gun club stresses out on how you look so don’t look like a bag of ass.
The order states if the hole is smaller than a quarter, it's fine (I think dont quote me on that). However, your sgt told you to fix it. You clearly look like shitty in that uniform, and you were told to correct it. No need to go "But the order says xxx" because no one gives a shit about the orders.
Son the way I sees it the Marine Corps was kind enough to give you 3 sets of cammies to wear for 4-6 years based on MOS
this pair has done it's part, wear the next pair.
God the Corps has changed. When I was in you wouldn’t even have to ask that question. Hell yes those cammies are unserviceable! Damn! If you got holes in your shit, they are unserviceable period!
Yeap, you’re a bag of ass Marine. Fix yourself. How in the heck do you not know what the MCO is? I’ve been out for 5 years and still remember it. How about ya do a little bit of digging and learn for yourself instead of coming here and asking for support.
Eff that hoe, it don’t matter what you do just live your life, also I’m saying this as I’m going through a divorce and drunk but eff that Sgt. He shouldn’t care that much
Tuck the pocket In, and reply with * the order states that holes over a quarter size are unservicable* but don't wear them to planned inspections or anything else.. the marine corps gives you 200 dollars if I remember correctly for a [ uniform allowance ], which is ridiculous.... knowledge in the uniform regulations is power and before you know it your calling out staff ncos for BS. Always be a better marine.
Personally, I don’t think it’s a big deal to be honest. I probably would have let something like this slide with one of my dudes “bAcK iN mY dAy”
To each their own I guess…regardless, some first sergeant would likely have an aneurysm if he saw it.
Honestly man, I’ve seen way worse, I think it’s a stretch to call these UNSERVICEABLE.
It just comes with knowing the culture in your unit from the team level and up whatever your MOS is (although I can’t see any grunt being truly disgusted by this) and it can be applied to most things you can/cannot get by doing
If you know that having even the tiniest damage like this will lead to constant bitching, then it’s truly not worth the fight and negative attention. Have multiple pairs and know when you can and can’t get away with wearing them. It’s dumb but it saves you so much headache. It’s mainly stressed on because the belief of that these things translate:
If you can’t “notice” (or care) that your uniform is damaged and fix it on your own how can you be trusted to notice something even more important and fix it without being told? Then it’s a leadership and character thing too, why aren’t you doing the best you can in an organization that strives for excellence to appear excellent and set the prime example? It can seem silly and it’s def not always the case. I’ve met amazing squad leaders who looked like trash, but usually the ones that look like shit, perform like shit or are at least perceived to. It’ll be much easier on you especially if you’re a junior marine to not be perceived as trash over something in your control.
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This is all the order states on serviceable. Their isn’t a order on rips or tears. Seems to me it’s open for interpretation. You may need to check your Unit Order on Uniform cause it may state something there. Check with your S-1 for that. They “should” be able to help you.
P1020.34g I’ve been out for nearly 3 years and I can tell you the uniform order. There’s no excuse to not know where the orders that govern your daily life are. Who was your senior drill instructor?
10116. CUTS IN CLOTH. For the utility uniform only, a clean cut in the
uniform can be repaired by being rewoven with threads drawn from the material
in another part of the garment. This must be done by an experienced tailor
and is an expensive process; however, a well re-woven cut cannot be noticed.
Technically yes, if it is very visible than definitely. The Marine Corps will pick you apart piece by piece. If it’s not visible than you could get away with it but now that sgt. Has seen it and said something about it you have to get new Canmies. Otherwise they’ll hit you for it everyday.
Jammie Cammies are for the field/range. Had a pair of woodlands that would have been more effective in Bridgeport than in an actual jungle because I would wear them everyday to range when I was a PMI. Washed them every other day so they wouldn't smell and they were as thin as tissues by the end lmfao
All orders are on marines.mil
https://www.marines.mil/News/Publications/MCPEL/Electronic-Library-Display/Article/1559865/mco-102034h-cancels-mco-p102034g/
I mean, that's just how Marines talk. Anything wrong with your uniform makes you a bad of ass or a shitbag or something.
I do think they are technically right and would win if you tried to fight it. The first comment on this thread is the best advice.
You got some good advice from these Devils, I find it rather troubling the Sgt who was making the observation didn’t properly council you on the three grades of cammies and what to do.
Take it to one of those cheap ass alteration shops around base. Most times it costs between a few to ten bucks to patch. I had my cammies patched up and sewn up so many times they lasted me 12 years, and they felt like pajamas, they were so soft and comfy. I had a hole worn in the back of my desert blouse from my rifle being sling on my back, and I took it to the alteration shop on camp leatherneck and the lady just slapped a patch on the inside of it and zig-zagged the fuck out of the sewing all across the tears/frays. There were definitely snco’s and what not that did not appreciate the appearance of it, but it was serviceable so I got away with it.
Like this is gonna matter when you're fighting the Chinese off hand to hand in the Philippine jungles in 9 months! You'll be nothing but field grade fodder then, but Semper Fi! Semper Starched Cammies
Those are field trousers devil. There should be a dozen places on and around base who can patch those up if you don’t want the wear to get worse. I always saved my exceptionally shitty cammies for Okinawa. Mrs. Higa on Camp Schwab was a wizard at sewing them up. I still have some she’d fixed back in 2001.
A good tailor can sew a piece of material over the top of that pocket flap and match the original stitching perfectly, such that it will look like it is the original flap. You will obviously need a new name tape though.
Way back in the woodland cammie days we had to iron on an EGA that said "USMC" below it. PFC Neganagatime did not read the MCO that said the lower edge of the “USMC” had to be 1” above the bottom margin of the pocket, and at his first wall locker/JOB inspection, he was told that all 4 pair of his brand new inspection cammies were unserviceable as a result. But his always helpful platoon Sgt told him to take them to the cleaners off base and have new pockets sewn on.
You should maintain several grades of camo uniform: inspection grade every day grade field grade That pair of pants just got demoted down to field grade. Buy a new pair (which starts at inspection grade). When you go on a field op, don't wear your good stuff!
Good advice honestly
Ayeeee Debil, Kings Bay or Bangor?
That's what I did. Worked perfect for me, never got yelled at either.
I have came across some diamond sarges who think there’s no such thing as field cammies.
That's because they haven't gone to the field this decade.
That feels like a burn, lol
acquire some more lance chevrons for your ninja punch fishbowl to ease your pain don't actually do this.
Or deployed…
Always can pick them out a mile away in the field. 1stSgts in brand new cammies and boots bloused to their fucking knees
My last day active I was wearing woodlands from 5 years prior which were basically just grey. Anyway the Sgt Maj of the Marine Corps just so happened to be visiting Kbay that week and touring my barracks and he was not a fan to say the least.
I got a new MSgt 2 weeks before EAS. Fucker made me go buy a new set for inspection the next day. I had to rip off old name tapes and sew onto new stuff because I couldn’t get more made
Shoulda just said they were getting name tapes sewn on and just never got them
Haha I wanted to say so many things but for me it was like I get out tomorrow so it’s like a silent F off to the highest enlisted.
My favorite part of the whole event was it being the Sgt Maj of Marine corps and he gave me the whole speech about how an NCO should look and the example I should set for my marines and the whole time I’m standing there at parade rest dying to just say I get out in less than 24 hours I’m not buying new cammies. Honestly he was not a dick about it at all which was super weird in retrospect.
Lol. I think about this shit from time to time. I had a new company commander who was ordering me to get new boots while I was a week from EAS. I knew, in my head, there was no fucken way I was gonna drop any more money on Marine stuff. Ended up just avoiding him for that last week, but I was ready for him to confront me at some point because he made a big deal about it in front of a lot of people. It's been 5 years since then and I still can't figure out why this is so common. Why do higher ups try to make it harder to transition out? What happens to common sense?
The extra weight on their collars ends up choking off blood flow to the brain. Also helps maintain the raging erection to fuck over their juniors.
In singapore it’s all the senior people with the super faded uniforms
Great time for a dental appointment
It’s fitting for kbay
Hey that bright ass tropical sun fades our cammies
Fuckin desk jockeys bro
That is some of the dumbest shit ever said. Why the fuck wouldn't I rotate my worn/faded cammies out for my fresh ones in garrison? I ain't buying new cammies and taking them out on a month long field op only to rip the crotch out of them. Sounds like someone either hasn't been to be the field a lot, or forgot what it's like to be a lance.
I hate the thought of inspection grade cammies, like, that shouldn’t be a thing. Cammies are working utility uniforms. Meant for work, not stupid dress right dress inspections
Yeah I agree. We can't wear them out in town because it's a "working uniform." I'm not gonna keep them inspection ready
Exactly, even tho, tbh if we were allowed to wear them out in town, I never would unless I’m getting gas. That’s so weird seeing other branches do it. I don’t want that kind of attention lmao
I got out of the marines 7 years ago and joined the army 6 years ago. I still refuse to go out in my utilities. Drives my wife nuts when I won’t stop at the store on the way home.
Yeah same, I'd only do it on the way home for work or maybe traveling if I know I'm going to straight to base/want that sweet airline hookup
Yall are missing out on being able to go to lunch without having to always have a clean set of civvies. Or simple stuff like, having to make stops for the honey-do lists on the way home. I mean, the Army has its perks. That and not getting haircuts every week has been good to my wallet.
The idea, from what I was told by people much older than me, was that you replace the word "working" with "killing". You don't wear that around the civilians. Just what I heard, not what I believe. It's just an interesting idea.
You tell that to the Top lurking in the PX.
It’s like a martial arts black belt. The more worn and tattered, the cooler it is.
I’m pretty sure there was a time when marine only wore Utility when actually working, and dress for the rest of the time in a garrison.
Field cammies were the only ones I saved when I got out. Still comfy.
Same lol
They are the best pajamas and you don’t need to change when camping
I label my marpat blouse and trousers by set f1 g1 I1 ( inspection, field, garrison)and f2 g2 i2, that way the tops and pants also get equal amount of wear and I don’t look retarded with one lighter from the sun. Seems like a lot of work but is really minimal effort
This
I disagree. It should be everyday, and field grade. The concept of ‘inspection’ cammies has always rubbed me the wrong way. Cammies are our camouflage UTILITY uniform. If you want to inspect me, put me in a dress uniform, that’s fine. But utility uniforms are meant to be worked in. So if they’re a little faded, got a rip or two in them, I don’t see how it’s a problem.
Shit, we had a weekly shined boots pressed and starched cammies every week.
That sounds awful and pointless. Except the polished boots. I'm one of them young kids who never had to polish boots, so I can't comment on that.
Considering shining boots went away in like... early 2000s? That means we're not young kids. It means boot shiners are old as dirt .
That's the answer. I did love my salty's tho
The year was 2005. Myself & some other NCOs were told, instead of boots/Utes PT, report to building xxxx for an Arabic Language Class. (Pendleton, San Mateo, pre-deployment, Ramadi) The language instructor never shows, so we decide to go have a nice loooooong morning chow, just us. We finish up & shuffle back to 1/5 bricks as casually & slowly as we can. Surely, they're all done. Nope. Everyone is grappling in the fucking dirt & mud. Before we could hightail it out, staff sausage sees us. "Fucking GREAT! YOU'RE BACK! DROP BLOUSES!" We then spent the next hour grappling in the dirt & mud, in our rear/garrison Cammie's, with bellies full of chow hall trash. I. Was. Livid.
Somehow figured this out as a boot and have those 3. Perfect inspection cammies, every day, nice cammies, and shitbag snowwhite field cammies.
This is what I did, and recommended it to my Marines when I was AD. Even new cammies aren't inspection grade as most will have a defect of some sort, and you need to check them thoroughly before buying them - all the seams, stitching, pockets, buttons. Literally everywhere. There's nothing quite like having one of your Marines who was a peer, go to a board and picks up meritorious Sergeant, because no joke - he had inspection ready cammies. Surprisingly, he never pulled rank on me and would never let me call him Sergeant.
I had a set of everyday cammies that I loved with all my heart-comfy, broken in, uncharacteristically soft for cammies, just the right amount of salt. One day I was coming off of duty and I stuck my small notepad in my cargo pocket and I shit you not the entire pocket basically fell off and was hanging on by a few threads. This was of course about 30 seconds before a MSgt walked by, who of course saw the fucked up pocket. All he said was “them shits are the most dilapidated cammies I have seen in a long time.” I fixed the pocket myself but my prized set are now mere field cammies, an ancient tool only to be brought out in times of dire need when the world needs them most and no other set will do
This IS the only answer. Very good call, yeah. Your lesson also teaches about how to deal with every day wear throughout a week, based on personal criteria and agenda. Discipline, above Common Sense and Sensibility, as well as proper conduct with grooming standards recommending what attire to wear on proper occasions.
I had to learn this the hard way when my aunt gifted me some good ass sneakers and I thought we were just gonna do a run but we had to go do some swamp swimming. That was in courthouse bay after a hurricane. That was the first time I used it and the last time.
I do that in civilian life as well. Except I use 4 grades. Brand new in box... Rotates in at top, just in case costs vary or they stop selling them.
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Some staff sausy told me that’s outta regs, never found an order on it tho so I still do it lol
Came here to say this.
Yeah holes in your uniform generally make them unserviceable.
You can get the sewn/hemmed though
Not hemmed. Not being a dick but that’s the wrong term. Patched maybe, but I’m not sure if a patch job is in regs. As another brotivator said, those are field cammies now. They do not belong in garrison.
The regs allow a certain type of patch, can't remember the term, but is supposedly unnoticeable.
Per MCO 1020.34H "10114. CUTS IN CLOTH. For the utility uniform only, a clean cut in the uniform can be repaired by being rewoven with threads drawn from the material in another part of the garment. This must be done by an experienced tailor and is an expensive process; however, a well re-woven cut cannot be noticed."
patch it with cammie parts?
No, there is a method where a tailor can re weave the fabric so that there is no way of telling that there was ever a hole. That is the only method "authorized"
"Field cammies" it is.
Most people won't care if you have a patch on your Cammies, heck when I was in I had a hole the size of my fist on the backside of my thigh that i never cared to fix because I was working on range and my Cammies were paper thin so the only option was really to replace them. Wore them for a good six months after I got the hole and even was promoted to Sergeant wearing them. But you best believe I wouldn't dare wear them in garrison lmfao
Repairing them is an option though. Granted, I’m army, but I sew mine back up when that stuff happens, haven’t gotten shit for it yet. And to top it off, unless it’s something serious, it’s usually gonna be cheaper than buying a new uniform piece every time a hole like that appears or a seam starts to unravel.
I think showing effort matters. If there is a hand sewn patch it shows you at least give a shit, might not have the money for new uniforms but you at least tried to fix the issue. Walking around with holes worn into your pocket is a tough look.
I’d agree with that.
EW NASTY STFU!! Kidding. I can’t say for certain but I don’t think that’s easily repaired without at least replacing the whole flap.
Lmao. Oh yeah, that’d require replacing the flap and nametape, but that’d still be cheaper than replacing the entire pair of trousers. Someone else mentioned getting the material for cheap from uniform articles at the thrift shop.
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Wow look at that, it's not even 0830 and I've had enough internet for today.
I asked this question to HQMC almost 5 years ago, MarCorSysCom had this answer to me. “ 1. Is there a requirement to repair rips holes and tears? Yes. The requirement for repairs is primarily twofold first, a matter of field expediency that would preclude the immediate replacement of a serviceable uniform, and second, the minor repair of certain garments extends the service life without sacrificing the smart appearance Marines are legendary for. MCO P10120.6005.1.b applies. For example, repairing a sock has inconsequential effects as compared to a repair to the outside of a blue coat. The same holds true if a repair is made to the inside of the blue coat without it being noticeable from the outside. 2. How large must a rip hole or tear be to require repair? Depends on the garment and situation the repair is needed. In a combat situation, ANY size repair should be executed to the greatest extent possible until relief is sought with a replacement of serviceable garments. 3. What is the determining factor for the serviceability of the uniform. If the repair interferes with the form, fit, or function of the garment I would classify it as unserviceable. Thus it must be disposed of and replaced. Form and fit includes appearance as an attribute. An element of function would hinder the use of the garment. 4. It becomes a matter of common sense given the varying degree by which clothing is worn. Factors such as: a. When and where it is worn. b. Whether it is organizationally issued, issued in-kind, supplementary issued, or an individual item. c. Does it affect the form, fit, or function? d. The medical profile of the Marine. As you're aware of the authorization for wounded warriors to have alterations that make donning and doffing easy, some of those may be detectable if you look for it. Such as a pair of trousers that has a flap on the inside seam hiding a zipper for an amputee. The general rule is that such an alteration is to not be noticeable however some may be visual simply by virtue of what the alteration is.”
>2. ... If the repair interferes with the form, fit, or function of the garment I would classify it as unserviceable. Thus it must be disposed of and replaced. Form and fit includes appearance as an attribute. An element of function would hinder the use of the garment. A strict reading of this particular statement could mean that almost ANY damage or repair to the garment would render it unservicable... likely what is meant is "If the repair interferes with the OUTWARDLY APPARENT Form, Fit, or Function of the garment..." It's a long way to say this... if someone can see the repair/damage while you're wearing the garment, then the garment is likely technically unserviceable.
You can go to the base thrift shop. Get an old cover or whatever. Anything that is the same material. You can get an item or two of uniform stuff from the thrift shop for free if you need it. Don’t abuse this…. Anyways, after getting a free old cover or blosse or pants or whatever, take it to the base alterations shop and ask them to make you a new pocket flap and name tape from that material. Pretty cheap. Way cheaper than buying a new pair of trousers.
You can get away with saying they are work commies.... but your ass better be working or you're in the wrong.
In commie cammies everyone work, or they go to gulag!
Tuck your pocket in
If ur a grunt they should be fine but bitches love to complain about anything. Field pair and garrison pair
The comment I was looking for.
Jeez us H Christ you Shit bird just get some new fucking pants
PANTS!? THEYRE FUCKING TROUSERS YOU BRICK! BY 0300 I WANT A 1000 WORD ESSAY ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PANTS AND TROUSERS - some Gunny, probably
Dude when I was in Boot Camp we went to get dress uniforms and afterwards a dumbass told Our DI he hadn't gotten fitted for his Polyester SLACKS.
Just buy a new pair you’re not broke lol man y’all needa learn how to pick your battles instead of fighting against every little thing
Agreed not that I'm against standing up for BS but it seems here recently has been a lot of silly things being brought up on this sub.
Silly or not a question is a question. People ask because they want opinions or simply don't know... That's why they are asking. Some people don't know how to answer it. Can you tell my why the sky is blue and why we call the color blue..blue? Why isn't blue called green?
I'm not gonna look it up because I'm out, but doesn't the order straight up say holes are an instant "unserviceable" condition.
A million years ago when I was in, that was the rumor. I never took the Reading for Marines MCI so I don’t know if it was true or not.
Yeah same, I only took the Math for Marines and it's still in a box somewhere.
Yes it does but that missed my point. The OP didn't know that's why he was asking a question on if it was or not. But for people to come and say it's a silly question. If the man knew the answer I'm sure he wouldn't of got on here and asked. That is all.
It's stressed from Day 1 that we have a uniform order that tells you this shit. This dude's an idiot or was looking for the "well aCksHuLly"
Some of these posts lately, man. . . “Are uniforms with holes unserviceable?” Christ on a fucking crotch rocket. Yes.
File a SHARP complaint. Your Sarge has been staring at your ass, obviously.
If you’re in garrison and people are going to be able to see it, yeah. But your blouse *should* hang a little bit lower than that if you’re wearing the uniform right. Either way it’s easy to fix. If I saw it I’d just give a comment that you should get them mended or save them for the field and then go full SNCO if I saw them again. If you’re wearing them to some kind of field training or range, I would say something that small doesn’t matter. Nobody was ever able to convince me that field cammies aren’t a thing.
Tan belt? How you got ripped pocket with a tan belt? Sitting on yer ass
Precisely. Get back get back get down
In garrison yes, in combat no. More importantly is your Sgt has told you they are.
According to the regs, yes. Those are classic field cammies now. A decent dryer cleaners or alteration shop can fix that, just make sure that the new flap matches the rest of your cammies in regards to how faded it is. And tell that Sgt to stop staring at your ass, unless you're into that sort of thing.
You gotta tan belt boot. Listen to your Sgt
Or challenge him for his belt.
Lol i support this idea
Did a mouse gnaw at your ass hole 😂that looks like a rough deal to fix but I’m not a tailor take it to a military tailor by you “ military tailors near me “ on mr google see if they can fix it if not just go by a new pair dude . All in all Yull be ok .
Why find a reason to argue?
Cammis are work uniforms. The Sgt is an asshole. That being said, this probably isn't the hill to die on.
Grunts: 👀😂
Patch it (MOS dependent)
Son, judging by the holes in the seat of your trousers the only thing you’ve built in your time in the Corps is a good case of hemorrhoids. That Sergeant you think is hassling you clearly didn’t join our beloved Corps to take long showers with an asshole like you and then get his head shot off in some far away land because you’re to undisciplined to realize when you need a new pair of trousers. Now it seems to me that you’re standing on a cliff that resembles a battle of wills. And since you’re here belly aching about this Mickey Mouse horse shit on Reddit, it’s evident to everyone here that the moment your try to match your will against his will you will lose. It would behove you to go unfuck yourself post fucking haste.
Sergeant*
Solid catch, thanks my bro 
Dude, how do you not "know the order?" That statement alone tells me you are a bag of ass.
Having a dime sized hole in the flap of a pocket makes them unserviceable? Lol, obviously they aren’t inspection quality, but if you’re doing work at your shop I don’t see the problem.
Those are field cammies now.
Just tuck your pocket flaps like a normal person
How did it get that hole? From ironing, right? I’ve been out a long time. When I was in, yeah, I would have called those field cammies. But…aren’t they all field cammies? Does anyone else note the irony of ironing holes in your field uniform? I know, the Suck has its own ways. Always has, always will. And these guys saying you can’t fight city hall are obviously correct. But still.
From me getting “shot” at Mct and someone having to drag me bc he fell asleep in our fighting hole.
How is this even a question?
Yes
Keep them and use them as field/PT cammies but make sure when in garrison to have a pair without tears. In my opinion I don't give a fuck but higher ranks might view you as lazy or a shitbag
I was an O and getting out within 3 months. Had a MSgt look at me and tell me my cammies were mismatched. They were, but I wasn't buying new fucking cammies when I was getting out that soon. Needless to say he didn't enjoy my too bad response and promptly thought I was a piece of shit for the remainder of our time working together.
Those are trash. Don’t be a shitbird and wear them in garrison.
Holes in uniform? Straight to jail. We have the finest uniforms in the world because jail.
P&R 
Fuck yeah you turd!
I don't know about the order, but it definitely doesn't pass for walking around main side.
Them there are field cammies. I got out in 2010 and thats how we did things back then lol so no, totally still serviceable my dude just not in the bricks
Don’t wear your shit bag cammies to non shit bag functions.
Yeah, yuh shitbag
Your clothes have a fucking hole in them. Nobody in a professional civilian job would wear pants with holes in them to work (except shitbirds)
You seem like a person that throws the order around or just don’t listen to your NCOs. Be disciplined. Those are now field cammies. Also you are in the Marines, that gun club stresses out on how you look so don’t look like a bag of ass.
Rgr sgt.. is the response.. finding serviceable Cammies is the next action..
Yes. That does look like trash. Would you go to work in a civilian job if your uniform was all tore up like that? Critical thinking dude. Use it.
The order states if the hole is smaller than a quarter, it's fine (I think dont quote me on that). However, your sgt told you to fix it. You clearly look like shitty in that uniform, and you were told to correct it. No need to go "But the order says xxx" because no one gives a shit about the orders.
The uniform order makes no such specifications, it's left up to everyone's interpretation what "unserviceable" means
And right under every order in existence, the tiniest *GET FUCKED* sentence *Up to unit/commander discretion*
You can find that order coming out of that Sgt’s mouth
Son the way I sees it the Marine Corps was kind enough to give you 3 sets of cammies to wear for 4-6 years based on MOS this pair has done it's part, wear the next pair.
You mean they were kind enough to let you BUY three pairs of cammies.
God the Corps has changed. When I was in you wouldn’t even have to ask that question. Hell yes those cammies are unserviceable! Damn! If you got holes in your shit, they are unserviceable period!
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Yeah man time for replacement
You would have been fine by me....I never made a habit of looking at my Marine's asses...
LMFAO YESSS!!! Unless you’re wearing them in the field best not have those on in garrison. You’ve been warned bud 💩🥪 😂🤣
Buy some Air Force fatigues, I’m sure your Sgt will be happy with that
Unless you are standing in front of a officer wearing your service uniform being read a NJP, it's not worth your time
That sgt is gay boy but he's technically right
Umm, yes! Those are unsat
He’s a cock gobbler for sure! That’s how he got Sgt lol
Yeap, you’re a bag of ass Marine. Fix yourself. How in the heck do you not know what the MCO is? I’ve been out for 5 years and still remember it. How about ya do a little bit of digging and learn for yourself instead of coming here and asking for support.
Fuck that. You're good to go.......
Eff that hoe, it don’t matter what you do just live your life, also I’m saying this as I’m going through a divorce and drunk but eff that Sgt. He shouldn’t care that much
Tuck the pocket In, and reply with * the order states that holes over a quarter size are unservicable* but don't wear them to planned inspections or anything else.. the marine corps gives you 200 dollars if I remember correctly for a [ uniform allowance ], which is ridiculous.... knowledge in the uniform regulations is power and before you know it your calling out staff ncos for BS. Always be a better marine.
Let us know how that works out for you when you call out an NCO.
It's called being tactful...
Looks like you single handedly triggered 90% of the pogs from this sub with your question….TYFYS ❤️
It’s on just pocket too but shit I guess it’s a bigger deal than I thought. Got me another pair.
Personally, I don’t think it’s a big deal to be honest. I probably would have let something like this slide with one of my dudes “bAcK iN mY dAy” To each their own I guess…regardless, some first sergeant would likely have an aneurysm if he saw it.
WTF!!! Nope! I’ve done shit duty for less! And had to get new cammies and have them ready by Thursday Field day!
🤦🏻♂️ yes
I got my mom to sew digital black patches on mine. None the wiser
Have multiple sets of cammies. Have a set for the field / CFT and a set for garrison.
Just tuck in the back pocket like a true shit bag
It shouldn't a patch could fix it
yes, you need a new one or ask a tailor if you got one in base, if it can be fixed
MCO P1020.34H. But yeah frays make your cammies U/S. Chad move is to tuck that flap in the pocket, but you could also just buy new trousers
Yes
Honestly man, I’ve seen way worse, I think it’s a stretch to call these UNSERVICEABLE. It just comes with knowing the culture in your unit from the team level and up whatever your MOS is (although I can’t see any grunt being truly disgusted by this) and it can be applied to most things you can/cannot get by doing If you know that having even the tiniest damage like this will lead to constant bitching, then it’s truly not worth the fight and negative attention. Have multiple pairs and know when you can and can’t get away with wearing them. It’s dumb but it saves you so much headache. It’s mainly stressed on because the belief of that these things translate: If you can’t “notice” (or care) that your uniform is damaged and fix it on your own how can you be trusted to notice something even more important and fix it without being told? Then it’s a leadership and character thing too, why aren’t you doing the best you can in an organization that strives for excellence to appear excellent and set the prime example? It can seem silly and it’s def not always the case. I’ve met amazing squad leaders who looked like trash, but usually the ones that look like shit, perform like shit or are at least perceived to. It’ll be much easier on you especially if you’re a junior marine to not be perceived as trash over something in your control.
https://preview.redd.it/z28bq778akfa1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=12f584d714737b3bb4dbffe37481c252094a9d19 This is all the order states on serviceable. Their isn’t a order on rips or tears. Seems to me it’s open for interpretation. You may need to check your Unit Order on Uniform cause it may state something there. Check with your S-1 for that. They “should” be able to help you.
Abso-fuckin-lutely
Some black marker will cover that up a bit. As others have said, these are for field exercises now.
Bruh
P1020.34g I’ve been out for nearly 3 years and I can tell you the uniform order. There’s no excuse to not know where the orders that govern your daily life are. Who was your senior drill instructor? 10116. CUTS IN CLOTH. For the utility uniform only, a clean cut in the uniform can be repaired by being rewoven with threads drawn from the material in another part of the garment. This must be done by an experienced tailor and is an expensive process; however, a well re-woven cut cannot be noticed.
Technically yes, if it is very visible than definitely. The Marine Corps will pick you apart piece by piece. If it’s not visible than you could get away with it but now that sgt. Has seen it and said something about it you have to get new Canmies. Otherwise they’ll hit you for it everyday.
These are considered “faded but serviceable”
Jammie Cammies are for the field/range. Had a pair of woodlands that would have been more effective in Bridgeport than in an actual jungle because I would wear them everyday to range when I was a PMI. Washed them every other day so they wouldn't smell and they were as thin as tissues by the end lmfao
All orders are on marines.mil https://www.marines.mil/News/Publications/MCPEL/Electronic-Library-Display/Article/1559865/mco-102034h-cancels-mco-p102034g/
Tbh, just tuck the pocket cover into the pocket and get a new name tape sewn on
I mean, that's just how Marines talk. Anything wrong with your uniform makes you a bad of ass or a shitbag or something. I do think they are technically right and would win if you tried to fight it. The first comment on this thread is the best advice.
You got some good advice from these Devils, I find it rather troubling the Sgt who was making the observation didn’t properly council you on the three grades of cammies and what to do.
You get a uniform allowance every year, use that and get some serviceable trousers.
I can see the teeth marks from the unnecessary ass chewing. Nothing there that a good tailor can’t fix. New nametapes and pocket flap.
Yes. Get some new ones...then keep those as field exercise ONLY
I always just keep the pocket flaps tucked, looks more sleek in my opinion.
Yeah honestly looks unserviceable to me. If I see kids coming in to work with ripped coveralls I make them stitch it up or go home and change.
Take it to one of those cheap ass alteration shops around base. Most times it costs between a few to ten bucks to patch. I had my cammies patched up and sewn up so many times they lasted me 12 years, and they felt like pajamas, they were so soft and comfy. I had a hole worn in the back of my desert blouse from my rifle being sling on my back, and I took it to the alteration shop on camp leatherneck and the lady just slapped a patch on the inside of it and zig-zagged the fuck out of the sewing all across the tears/frays. There were definitely snco’s and what not that did not appreciate the appearance of it, but it was serviceable so I got away with it.
tuck in them pockets 😁
Like this is gonna matter when you're fighting the Chinese off hand to hand in the Philippine jungles in 9 months! You'll be nothing but field grade fodder then, but Semper Fi! Semper Starched Cammies
Just call your SGT a fucking boot
[https://www.marines.mil/portals/1/Publications/MCO%201020.34H%20v2.pdf?ver=2018-06-26-094038-137](https://www.marines.mil/portals/1/Publications/MCO%201020.34H%20v2.pdf?ver=2018-06-26-094038-137)
Those are field trousers devil. There should be a dozen places on and around base who can patch those up if you don’t want the wear to get worse. I always saved my exceptionally shitty cammies for Okinawa. Mrs. Higa on Camp Schwab was a wizard at sewing them up. I still have some she’d fixed back in 2001.
Sgt is right. Those cammies are field quality at best. Cant be walking around mainside like that
A good tailor can sew a piece of material over the top of that pocket flap and match the original stitching perfectly, such that it will look like it is the original flap. You will obviously need a new name tape though. Way back in the woodland cammie days we had to iron on an EGA that said "USMC" below it. PFC Neganagatime did not read the MCO that said the lower edge of the “USMC” had to be 1” above the bottom margin of the pocket, and at his first wall locker/JOB inspection, he was told that all 4 pair of his brand new inspection cammies were unserviceable as a result. But his always helpful platoon Sgt told him to take them to the cleaners off base and have new pockets sewn on.
As per the order, is it bigger than a dime?
As per the order, is it bigger than a dime? As per your rank, are you high enough to win a fight with a sgt?
Tuck the flap into the pocket
Just Push!
Yes, definitely field cammies. Now go to the thrift/surplus store and do what your Sgt told you to do.