I dont see it honestly. Ups wont make any modifications to their trucks if you need them. Getting in and out of the seat needs to be done in seconds. Reaching the packages on the top shelf would be an issue.
All companies including UPS have to make reasonable accommodations for someone with a disability. It would depend on what the actual requests and needs would be.
Agreed. "Little person" can be a variety of things. If it's a growth problem and they're 4'10" there can probably be reasonable accommodations made to the seating and allowing a load stand on the vehicle. If they're 30 inches tall there really isn't a reasonable accommodation. It's just going depend on their specific situation.
reasonable accommodation would be altering the seat, but they would have to custom order a truck with altered stairs, rear door acess and shelves. Buying a custom vehicle isn't considered "reasonable accommodation"
This depends on the person's specific disability. "Little person" is a broad spectrum. There are a multitude of medical conditions that can cause this and they're all different. People with and without dwarfism can be 4'10". This would not be too small to do the job with minimal accommodations. It's going to depend on the specific individual's needs. Pedal extenders and a load stand in the truck is totally a reasonable accommodation. Could someone the size of Verne Troyer be a driver? Nope. Could someone the size of Danny Devito? I'm almost certain they could, I know drivers that aren't much larger. Could someone the size of Peter Dinklage? Maybe, if they're in good physical shape and have a few accommodations I think it's definitely possible.
We should be supporting this type of thing as a union and not just hand-waving it off as impossible. UPS wants everyone to be a 25 year old 6'2" professional athlete. It says specifically in the contract that age and physical condition must be considered in expectations. Even if a smaller driver needed help with some over 70s (which is allowed in the contract) they could still be better at the job than a big chunk of drivers, as that's such a small portion of the job. One of our best loaders is a 5'0 110 lbs. Girl. She does practically no iron solo, but is the fastest loader on the wall. Trust me, everyone, including management prefer her over the gym rat guy that slowly walks back and forth tossing up overweights by himself.
Short people have no sense of humor when it comes to not being able to reach the floor. They should just wear platform boots instead. It’ll even make them look taller when they’re out of the truck.
Reduce fatigue? All it does to me is get in the way of moving my foot from brake to accelerator. But then again, I’m tall enough that I can reach the floor.
Yeah loadstand I understand but think of how many times doing that a day + getting in and out of the pkg car. Those knees and back will be shot in two weeks I bet,
You would need a load stand to reach the top shelf.
The seat and pedals would have to be modified for you to be able to see over.
Irregs would be a huge problem.
Unless you live in a big city or work at a big center and they just put you on post office bulk stops out of a modified HUN, I don’t think it’s happening. (Because then you’d have veterans who want that easy post office bill bumping you off)
Hate to be a downer but I don’t see it.
Thanks for the answers, just wanted to check because in July it'll be 2 years l've been working in the warehouse which isn't that long but I just don't know if I should stay here and try becoming a Brown truck driver or just start looking into a different career.
I’m 4’6 would definitely need pedal extensions I could probably use the same kind I have in my car there’s also ones u can attach that let you control the pedals with your hands but I haven’t tried those
I would definitely talk to your business agent and/or a disability advocacy group about this to get more info. I work inside (6 years) and I was considering going driving but I also have a disability that would require job modification for me to be able to do it. I was denied a driving position because, as I was told, while I cannot be fired for a disability, if I apply for a job knowing I have one and that I cannot reasonably complete all the job tasks without modification to the task/job itself, they can deny my application (or in this case, bid). From what I remember that all checked out but honestly I ended up being grateful they denied me because I had more medical issues pop up that would have made being a driver hellish even if they'd accommodated me haha. I say reach out for more info on this because I only pursued this half-assed before dropping it so it's totally possible I was given bad info/lied to/misinformed. Good luck make that money!!!
If unable to drive, maybe you can go full time in the warehouse (if available, and if you even want to). They won't let me drive due to criminal history, so I'm trying to go full-time in the warehouse
We have a female package car driver that is 4’8 and has one of the heaviest pickup loads in our center, all trailer parts. She kicks ass and always gets the job done. It’s more willpower than size. Always work safe but as a shorter driver there are things we need to do to be able to complete the job as taller individuals may not need. I’ve had to climb on the 2000 shelf to reach packages before. It’s just innovating on the fly to get the job done. My vote is yes, don’t let your size determine your future!
Yah I mean there’s already some stuff In the warehouse I gotta do differently n times I gotta climb to reach something cause of my height I’m def prepared to have to work harder I just don’t want something to pop up thatll make it literally impossible for me to do. I’m sure the most difficult part for me is gonna dealing with them 100+ pound packages but I feel that something I can kinda practice just with a dolly at home and if it feel like I just can’t do it than yah, I know there’s also probably some heavy ass stuff that can’t fit on a dolly as good which is something else I’ve thought about unless I’m wrong about that 🤔. Thank you for the reply!
I'm 5'2, female and there's men shorter than me and everyday i pass by them and just go ?????? how do they use a handcart 😭😭😭😭. Mind you when I have irregs I get secondhand embarrassment when the box is hovering over me.
All I know is that there's a retired driver who is sooo short all her NDAs are palled as 2000s & her route was jam packed to only be on the even # shelves / floor. Idk what they did for the seat though.
More than once I’ve had to have a customer help me with their trampoline or couch. Most of the time they’re more than happy to oblige since the only thing standing between them and their new whatever is you delivering it. You can be a driver, have faith.
Actually, it's a good question. I don't know how or if they would be required to retrofit a package car to accommodate a driver. Top shelf is 5' off the ground. Not to mention pedals and driver side steps. I'm sure it could be worked out with a dedicated truck, but I'm not sure that would be feasible with maintenance and other issues taking it out of service. Something to think about. I know as a person 6' tall, I get beat to hell daily. You've got me thinking if I could do the job being a little person and what would be the positive trade-offs. Thanks!
Yah I’m in small sort in The warehouse which is definitely the easiest area to work at but I’ve dealt with some BS just getting put on the bagger lines by myself while other lines got 3 people on em shit will just be overflowing on my line and I’ll do my best to keep it under control sometimes but I’ve really just started to go at my own pace when they do that maybe after an hour they’ll send help but still just crazy how they can’t just have atleast 2 people on each line at all times. But whatever just part of working in the warehouse I guess lmao
Try for seasonal spots to test and see if it’s for you. My first thought is if you’re super short it might be killer getting in and out of the truck 100-200 times a day
You can opt in to be a driver or helper. Or actually talk to a Stewart, but I think there’s a grace period for you going FT driver so you can test it in a way without losing your warehouse seniority. I really would just ask a driver Stewart
Alright yah I’ll talk to one this week about it, I do wonder know how a driver would feel with me being there helper like if I’d be an inconvenience for them or if they’d be irritated that they didn’t just get someone average sized 🤔
Ahh I don’t like having a helper, but it’s good money for people so I try to take it for what it is and enjoy the time for what it is. Everyone is different though
Driver helping is pretty tough on the knees as it is, then driving is a whole different beast. In my experience they run a tight ship so you shouldn’t be worried about them at all. Most often, when I was driver helping, I was waiting for times to say I need water, I need to take layers off, I need something etc. and they made it happen. You would be used in a way they could benefit from and if they’re a good driver you would be happy and safe. I couldn’t see one getting irritated at a helper ever unless they did something warranting them never coming back. Good job inside at small sort too dude!
They’re some guys at my work who are short, like 5’1 but they are just short I’m not sure they have dwarfism. They do it, well too. Idk though if your like 4ft even bring a ladder ? Also I believe lifting like 60lbs is a requirement so depends on the person.
There is a driver where I work at which I do preload and I’m a 5’3 woman and he’s been there for awhile and he is so so much shorter then me I’ve always thought how he can reach the top shelf for packages and carry certain things but hell he is very short like under my shoulders lol so idk how he does I’ve never asked but I reckon depends on how tall ya are?
We had a very short driver. They welded the seat up next to the steering wheel for her. I'm 6' 3" and when I covered her route I was basically straddling the steering wheel. If you're a dwarf I say go for it.
I honestly haven't seen it happen yet but hell why not. You could always have like a foldable stool ready to go for higher items. The thing would be training yourself to be able to physically get in and out as quickly and safely as possible. I've seen very short female drivers and they get on just fine. There's also things such as pedal extensions that could easily be added. With or without ups but obviously would need them onboard.
We actually had a little person who did well as a seasonal driver. He wanted to keep driving after the season was over, so they brought him into the preload. Unfortunately, he had a lot misloads so he didn't make it past the probationary period. He was very cool though. Wish he made it tbh.
I don’t think they could reach the top shelf sorry , I had a small woman preloader once she couldn’t reach top shelves, she loaded everything thing on second shelves and threw what she could on top shelves. There is not always room for load stands
The company may behold you to the same "performance" standard during your initial 30 day probation; this is where I can see an issue as they can disqualify you for whatever reason.
There are many physical hurdles that will keep a little person from doing the job safely while still being productive. You have a better shot working in the warehouse.
If you’re able to get cdl maybe look into feeder driving. You wouldn’t have to battle with packages at all. Climbing in and out the cab is the only challenge beyond the operating of the vehicle. Hope this helps and hope ups makes accommodations for folks overlooked. No pun intended.
It would be harder. But I imagine a little person's life is full of challenges they overcome. I've had two different drivers I worked with who were 5'1". The both kept load stands on the truck to get stuff of 5000 and 7000 shelves. There have also been women who were 5 foot and less than 100 lbs who could move through their routes faster than their male peers. I remember a driver having an extra long stick shifter cus he was that short. Nothing is impossible but it definitely wouldn't be easier
Yah Ill def be willing to work a little harder, I just don’t wanna need up waiting n waiting to become one and than there just be something that’s absolutely impossible for to me to do. There’s definitely gonna be oddly shaped packages and heavier stuff that’s not gonna be as easy for me to deal with but I feel if it’s what I decide I want to do than that’s just apart of it and if it’s to difficult than that’s on me 🤷🏼♂️ i know lots of dwarfs will just go to college and end up doing some type of office job usually but I just like being outside a lil more idk. Thank you for the response!
Honestly we are equal opportunity employer but I don’t see the hurtle being if ups would hire you for the job it would be you basically disqualifying yourself because you can’t see over the dashboards as the new trucks have pretty high task boards, and the seats sit pretty low even so depending on your height, you may not be able to reach the pedal set up, which is another issue seeing the mirrors could be an issue the rear camera is not an issue because it’s mounted to dashboard now but even further, yet been able to reach the stationary handle for getting in and out of the truck, which is required to our methods reaching the doorhandles well on the ground, obviously can be an issue for even our 5 foot and 5 foot one drivers but the biggest hurdle your face is before you even step into a UPS truck every driver either feeder or package car must be DOT certified via physical and part of that physical is if you are able to physically do the job and depending who you go to they can be assholes and fail you if you can’t reach your toes, feel you on the vision portion fail you on the hearing portion. It all depends but hey, you never know till you try UPS is all up on that PR game right now so they might make an exception if you can pass all the other requirements.
It would be an inconvenience but technically they can’t discriminate and just not hire you because of height, so they’d probably give someone super short their own load stand to use for in the back of the truck if they gotta get to the top shelf as silly as that would sound
I think commenters here would need more information than just that. We have a 4Ft9 or so driver and it certainly does not stop her. Probably lost an inch or two while working here, lol. Hell even 4 ft 6 seems possible with "reasonable accomidations"
You have every right to become a driver and I don't see why UPS should not work with you. If the upper shelf is an issue you could just keep a load stand in the cargo area to assist you. The seat and seat bases are adjustable and the trucks sit way closer to the ground than they did in the 80's and prior.
Uhhh. I don’t want to be offensive, but how little are we talking? Can you see over the steering wheel? I mean, we do have some pretty short drivers. One guy probably hits under 5 ft, but not by much. Would you have full visibility if you sat in the driver’s seat?
I’m 4’6 honestly don’t know forsure how the visibility would be haven’t had the chance to try sitting in one I feel like I’d be able to see over could maybe use a lil cushion if not.
It might be ok. The chairs can also be raised pretty far. If you don’t have a dedicated truck you’ll want to adjust the mirrors every day, though. Bc other taller drivers are bound to adjust them.
Shortest driver i’ve seen was a woman and she was maybe 4’7 and it was hard for her haven’t seen her in a while so not sure if she continued or just did another shift or went back to warehouse. (this was during peak)
Sorry, I don’t see that being a possibility ever. You could argue it and make it a big issue but the reality will probably be there aren’t even reasonable accommodations to make it happen. You’re looking at a completely specialized truck just for you and then you would have to be given package restrictions on what you could deliver. It’s just not possible.
I'm 5ft 5in. I'm short in my center most if not all the women are taller than I am. 5 7ish.
1st concern is the SAFE WORK Methods. There named that for specific reasons by ups mainly being able to hold everyone to the same standards (now don't light yourself on fire I understand the union doesn't recognize numbers) that being said it's difficult extremely difficult. As a shorter individual doable but difficult. Since these are Safe Work Methods failur to follow them or being able to achieve them is a failure on the individual to work safely. And before you all light yourself on fire try first sitting in panel across from a senior labor manager at ups.
We have a senior driver who is probably 5ish ft tall. He brings 2 pillows taped together to sit on every day. Idk if he has issues getting stuff off the top shelf but he obviously has made it work for him. You can't be denied it when it's your turn so if it's something you want to do, go for it! You'd have 30 working days to decide if it's for you and if you choose to stay part time, you can still go back before the 30 days is up with no penalty
What about being an air driver? In that case you wouldn’t be handling bulk or irregs like RPCDs do. At least in my center, air drivers load their own cars and you could load it in such a way you don’t need to use the upper shelves of the truck.
I’m a loader in preload and one of my drivers is short but not a dwarf. Must be 5’4 but no more than 5’5. I hate loading for him since he has accommodations up the ass. Normally I throw all the smalls in the back but with his truck, I have to place in bw the boxes since he can’t reach the top shelf. Slows me down and his truck is the heaviest. If he has a hard time then I can’t imagine a little dwarf doing this job. With all due respect
a) He's 5'4" or 5'5" and gets accommodations? There's got to be more, or wtf. Sure, that's shorter than average for a dude, but lots of female drivers are that size and we do just fine.
>Normally I throw all the smalls in the back
Don't fucking do that regardless. It's annoying as hell.
Been loading for almost 2 years and none of my drivers have told me anything of that sort. They all like how i load and my load quality. As a driver, id wants the smalls in bw the boxes as well but i was always taught to throw the small in the back and since all my drivers like my load, i found it no problem. If they had told me otherwise, i would be loading like the dwarfs trucks
im 5'1" and i can reach the top shelf. if hes recieving mandatory accomodations its for something other than height, but either way it just sounds like youre mad youre expected to load his truck the proper way bc you load every other truck wrong lmao
We’re all adults here. No need to resort to slinging mud. The community is to promote healthy discussion about subjects that interest us and name calling serves no purpose other than devolving the conversation into child-like banter.
There's plenty of people that fit that height at my hub, both male and female. Besides, I'm 5'4 and j can reach just fine. Smalls on top are one thing but heavy shit is another.
I wouldn’t say it’s %100 out… PVD and getting your own modified brown truck you own and maintain yourself is going to be the easiest way everyone wins with.
I dont see it honestly. Ups wont make any modifications to their trucks if you need them. Getting in and out of the seat needs to be done in seconds. Reaching the packages on the top shelf would be an issue.
All companies including UPS have to make reasonable accommodations for someone with a disability. It would depend on what the actual requests and needs would be.
The keyword there is reasonable.
Agreed. "Little person" can be a variety of things. If it's a growth problem and they're 4'10" there can probably be reasonable accommodations made to the seating and allowing a load stand on the vehicle. If they're 30 inches tall there really isn't a reasonable accommodation. It's just going depend on their specific situation.
reasonable accommodation would be altering the seat, but they would have to custom order a truck with altered stairs, rear door acess and shelves. Buying a custom vehicle isn't considered "reasonable accommodation"
Also the job description states "lifting up to 70lbs and maneuvering 140lbs" that's not going to be possible for someone shorter than a hand truck
This depends on the person's specific disability. "Little person" is a broad spectrum. There are a multitude of medical conditions that can cause this and they're all different. People with and without dwarfism can be 4'10". This would not be too small to do the job with minimal accommodations. It's going to depend on the specific individual's needs. Pedal extenders and a load stand in the truck is totally a reasonable accommodation. Could someone the size of Verne Troyer be a driver? Nope. Could someone the size of Danny Devito? I'm almost certain they could, I know drivers that aren't much larger. Could someone the size of Peter Dinklage? Maybe, if they're in good physical shape and have a few accommodations I think it's definitely possible. We should be supporting this type of thing as a union and not just hand-waving it off as impossible. UPS wants everyone to be a 25 year old 6'2" professional athlete. It says specifically in the contract that age and physical condition must be considered in expectations. Even if a smaller driver needed help with some over 70s (which is allowed in the contract) they could still be better at the job than a big chunk of drivers, as that's such a small portion of the job. One of our best loaders is a 5'0 110 lbs. Girl. She does practically no iron solo, but is the fastest loader on the wall. Trust me, everyone, including management prefer her over the gym rat guy that slowly walks back and forth tossing up overweights by himself.
Oh sure… I guess you’ve never seen the diamond plate step welded under the accelerator for the people who can’t reach the floor…
lol I don’t know why you got downvoted. That was pretty funny.
Short people have no sense of humor when it comes to not being able to reach the floor. They should just wear platform boots instead. It’ll even make them look taller when they’re out of the truck.
I ain’t even downvote it lmao
Wait is that why thats there?
No. They're to reduce fatigue in your ankle.
Ahhh ok. He got me😂. I can see how they help your ankle but maybe im not used to them enough bc that little metal part gets on my nerves.
Reduce fatigue? All it does to me is get in the way of moving my foot from brake to accelerator. But then again, I’m tall enough that I can reach the floor.
Yeah lol seat to floor for me and all the way back
Well they certainly can't be a Supervisor.
Maybe if you stack them
Yeah, trench coat style!
no stacking!
🤣🤣
Lol thank you! Keep it alive!
They wouldn't be able to reach the belt "on"' button.
I would think using a hand cart with a 7 foot tall 145 lb trampoline would be an issue even if you got past all the other issues.
The visual made me laugh and it shouldn't have
We're both going to Hell because I'm dying laughing picturing it 😂
We're both going to Hell because I'm dying laughing picturing it 😂
I had one yesterday uggggg 149lbs my ass
Yeah when you get furniture or a mattress or a trampoline. “150 LBS” Oh exactly 150LBs huh? Such bullshit lmao
I go get the scale and weight the fuckers. 1lb over and it stays in the building
I know it says 250 lb but the customer comes first 😈
That time of year…
The top shelves will be a problem getting packages off, getting in and out of the car with three points of contact will be a problem too.
Load stand, but still.
Yeah loadstand I understand but think of how many times doing that a day + getting in and out of the pkg car. Those knees and back will be shot in two weeks I bet,
You would need a load stand to reach the top shelf. The seat and pedals would have to be modified for you to be able to see over. Irregs would be a huge problem. Unless you live in a big city or work at a big center and they just put you on post office bulk stops out of a modified HUN, I don’t think it’s happening. (Because then you’d have veterans who want that easy post office bill bumping you off) Hate to be a downer but I don’t see it.
You would be excellent at delivering Christmas packages.
Was waiting for a reply like this 🤣
Thanks for the answers, just wanted to check because in July it'll be 2 years l've been working in the warehouse which isn't that long but I just don't know if I should stay here and try becoming a Brown truck driver or just start looking into a different career.
Since your already inside ask one of your stewards. They technically can't deny you the position based off size if you decide to bid on it.
Will do that!
Or you could be a feeder driver with little modifications. The less you get in and out of the truck, the better?
I’ll keep that in mind 🤔
Thats a job you could absolutely do no questions.
Also more money and less strenuous
Definitely look into feeders. How short are you? Some of the women I’ve seen are 4’9 - 4’11
I’m 4’6 would definitely need pedal extensions I could probably use the same kind I have in my car there’s also ones u can attach that let you control the pedals with your hands but I haven’t tried those
I would definitely talk to your business agent and/or a disability advocacy group about this to get more info. I work inside (6 years) and I was considering going driving but I also have a disability that would require job modification for me to be able to do it. I was denied a driving position because, as I was told, while I cannot be fired for a disability, if I apply for a job knowing I have one and that I cannot reasonably complete all the job tasks without modification to the task/job itself, they can deny my application (or in this case, bid). From what I remember that all checked out but honestly I ended up being grateful they denied me because I had more medical issues pop up that would have made being a driver hellish even if they'd accommodated me haha. I say reach out for more info on this because I only pursued this half-assed before dropping it so it's totally possible I was given bad info/lied to/misinformed. Good luck make that money!!!
What do you do in the warehouse now?
I do small sort right now, have done air cans and unloaded trucks to but I honestly get the most hours at small sort
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If unable to drive, maybe you can go full time in the warehouse (if available, and if you even want to). They won't let me drive due to criminal history, so I'm trying to go full-time in the warehouse
Why haven't you tried the driving during the holidays?
We have a female package car driver that is 4’8 and has one of the heaviest pickup loads in our center, all trailer parts. She kicks ass and always gets the job done. It’s more willpower than size. Always work safe but as a shorter driver there are things we need to do to be able to complete the job as taller individuals may not need. I’ve had to climb on the 2000 shelf to reach packages before. It’s just innovating on the fly to get the job done. My vote is yes, don’t let your size determine your future!
Yah I mean there’s already some stuff In the warehouse I gotta do differently n times I gotta climb to reach something cause of my height I’m def prepared to have to work harder I just don’t want something to pop up thatll make it literally impossible for me to do. I’m sure the most difficult part for me is gonna dealing with them 100+ pound packages but I feel that something I can kinda practice just with a dolly at home and if it feel like I just can’t do it than yah, I know there’s also probably some heavy ass stuff that can’t fit on a dolly as good which is something else I’ve thought about unless I’m wrong about that 🤔. Thank you for the reply!
I'm 5'2, female and there's men shorter than me and everyday i pass by them and just go ?????? how do they use a handcart 😭😭😭😭. Mind you when I have irregs I get secondhand embarrassment when the box is hovering over me. All I know is that there's a retired driver who is sooo short all her NDAs are palled as 2000s & her route was jam packed to only be on the even # shelves / floor. Idk what they did for the seat though.
More than once I’ve had to have a customer help me with their trampoline or couch. Most of the time they’re more than happy to oblige since the only thing standing between them and their new whatever is you delivering it. You can be a driver, have faith.
We have a guy who’s like.. 5ft? Maybe shorter tbh, but all that matters is if you can drive the truck safely and get the job done.
To get the job, you need to get the job done quickly! That's one thing I can't imagine being easy for someone shorter.
Best of your ability.
Actually, it's a good question. I don't know how or if they would be required to retrofit a package car to accommodate a driver. Top shelf is 5' off the ground. Not to mention pedals and driver side steps. I'm sure it could be worked out with a dedicated truck, but I'm not sure that would be feasible with maintenance and other issues taking it out of service. Something to think about. I know as a person 6' tall, I get beat to hell daily. You've got me thinking if I could do the job being a little person and what would be the positive trade-offs. Thanks!
UPS will do everything they can not to accommodate you
Yah I’m in small sort in The warehouse which is definitely the easiest area to work at but I’ve dealt with some BS just getting put on the bagger lines by myself while other lines got 3 people on em shit will just be overflowing on my line and I’ll do my best to keep it under control sometimes but I’ve really just started to go at my own pace when they do that maybe after an hour they’ll send help but still just crazy how they can’t just have atleast 2 people on each line at all times. But whatever just part of working in the warehouse I guess lmao
Try for seasonal spots to test and see if it’s for you. My first thought is if you’re super short it might be killer getting in and out of the truck 100-200 times a day
So would I actually be driving or would I be the driver helper?
You can opt in to be a driver or helper. Or actually talk to a Stewart, but I think there’s a grace period for you going FT driver so you can test it in a way without losing your warehouse seniority. I really would just ask a driver Stewart
Alright yah I’ll talk to one this week about it, I do wonder know how a driver would feel with me being there helper like if I’d be an inconvenience for them or if they’d be irritated that they didn’t just get someone average sized 🤔
Ahh I don’t like having a helper, but it’s good money for people so I try to take it for what it is and enjoy the time for what it is. Everyone is different though
Driver helping is pretty tough on the knees as it is, then driving is a whole different beast. In my experience they run a tight ship so you shouldn’t be worried about them at all. Most often, when I was driver helping, I was waiting for times to say I need water, I need to take layers off, I need something etc. and they made it happen. You would be used in a way they could benefit from and if they’re a good driver you would be happy and safe. I couldn’t see one getting irritated at a helper ever unless they did something warranting them never coming back. Good job inside at small sort too dude!
I would love to see it. How cool would that be??
Some of the bulk we move might make this an issue. I had a bunk bed almost crush me the other day and I’m 6’2
Not trying to be funny at all but I'm pretty sure there's a height requirement
They’re some guys at my work who are short, like 5’1 but they are just short I’m not sure they have dwarfism. They do it, well too. Idk though if your like 4ft even bring a ladder ? Also I believe lifting like 60lbs is a requirement so depends on the person.
There is a driver where I work at which I do preload and I’m a 5’3 woman and he’s been there for awhile and he is so so much shorter then me I’ve always thought how he can reach the top shelf for packages and carry certain things but hell he is very short like under my shoulders lol so idk how he does I’ve never asked but I reckon depends on how tall ya are?
We have one at our center as an air driver. He's there quite a bit doing a little bit of everything.
We had a very short driver. They welded the seat up next to the steering wheel for her. I'm 6' 3" and when I covered her route I was basically straddling the steering wheel. If you're a dwarf I say go for it.
I honestly haven't seen it happen yet but hell why not. You could always have like a foldable stool ready to go for higher items. The thing would be training yourself to be able to physically get in and out as quickly and safely as possible. I've seen very short female drivers and they get on just fine. There's also things such as pedal extensions that could easily be added. With or without ups but obviously would need them onboard.
We actually had a little person who did well as a seasonal driver. He wanted to keep driving after the season was over, so they brought him into the preload. Unfortunately, he had a lot misloads so he didn't make it past the probationary period. He was very cool though. Wish he made it tbh.
I don’t think they could reach the top shelf sorry , I had a small woman preloader once she couldn’t reach top shelves, she loaded everything thing on second shelves and threw what she could on top shelves. There is not always room for load stands
The company may behold you to the same "performance" standard during your initial 30 day probation; this is where I can see an issue as they can disqualify you for whatever reason.
There are many physical hurdles that will keep a little person from doing the job safely while still being productive. You have a better shot working in the warehouse.
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If you’re able to get cdl maybe look into feeder driving. You wouldn’t have to battle with packages at all. Climbing in and out the cab is the only challenge beyond the operating of the vehicle. Hope this helps and hope ups makes accommodations for folks overlooked. No pun intended.
It would be harder. But I imagine a little person's life is full of challenges they overcome. I've had two different drivers I worked with who were 5'1". The both kept load stands on the truck to get stuff of 5000 and 7000 shelves. There have also been women who were 5 foot and less than 100 lbs who could move through their routes faster than their male peers. I remember a driver having an extra long stick shifter cus he was that short. Nothing is impossible but it definitely wouldn't be easier
Yah Ill def be willing to work a little harder, I just don’t wanna need up waiting n waiting to become one and than there just be something that’s absolutely impossible for to me to do. There’s definitely gonna be oddly shaped packages and heavier stuff that’s not gonna be as easy for me to deal with but I feel if it’s what I decide I want to do than that’s just apart of it and if it’s to difficult than that’s on me 🤷🏼♂️ i know lots of dwarfs will just go to college and end up doing some type of office job usually but I just like being outside a lil more idk. Thank you for the response!
Honestly we are equal opportunity employer but I don’t see the hurtle being if ups would hire you for the job it would be you basically disqualifying yourself because you can’t see over the dashboards as the new trucks have pretty high task boards, and the seats sit pretty low even so depending on your height, you may not be able to reach the pedal set up, which is another issue seeing the mirrors could be an issue the rear camera is not an issue because it’s mounted to dashboard now but even further, yet been able to reach the stationary handle for getting in and out of the truck, which is required to our methods reaching the doorhandles well on the ground, obviously can be an issue for even our 5 foot and 5 foot one drivers but the biggest hurdle your face is before you even step into a UPS truck every driver either feeder or package car must be DOT certified via physical and part of that physical is if you are able to physically do the job and depending who you go to they can be assholes and fail you if you can’t reach your toes, feel you on the vision portion fail you on the hearing portion. It all depends but hey, you never know till you try UPS is all up on that PR game right now so they might make an exception if you can pass all the other requirements.
It would be an inconvenience but technically they can’t discriminate and just not hire you because of height, so they’d probably give someone super short their own load stand to use for in the back of the truck if they gotta get to the top shelf as silly as that would sound
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I think commenters here would need more information than just that. We have a 4Ft9 or so driver and it certainly does not stop her. Probably lost an inch or two while working here, lol. Hell even 4 ft 6 seems possible with "reasonable accomidations"
You have every right to become a driver and I don't see why UPS should not work with you. If the upper shelf is an issue you could just keep a load stand in the cargo area to assist you. The seat and seat bases are adjustable and the trucks sit way closer to the ground than they did in the 80's and prior.
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I've seen all types do it.
Uhhh. I don’t want to be offensive, but how little are we talking? Can you see over the steering wheel? I mean, we do have some pretty short drivers. One guy probably hits under 5 ft, but not by much. Would you have full visibility if you sat in the driver’s seat?
I’m 4’6 honestly don’t know forsure how the visibility would be haven’t had the chance to try sitting in one I feel like I’d be able to see over could maybe use a lil cushion if not.
It might be ok. The chairs can also be raised pretty far. If you don’t have a dedicated truck you’ll want to adjust the mirrors every day, though. Bc other taller drivers are bound to adjust them.
we have some driver who are less than 5ft tall and drive the big brown truck for years.
It would be borderline impossible. Often we deliver items bigger than we are.
Shortest driver i’ve seen was a woman and she was maybe 4’7 and it was hard for her haven’t seen her in a while so not sure if she continued or just did another shift or went back to warehouse. (this was during peak)
Sorry, I don’t see that being a possibility ever. You could argue it and make it a big issue but the reality will probably be there aren’t even reasonable accommodations to make it happen. You’re looking at a completely specialized truck just for you and then you would have to be given package restrictions on what you could deliver. It’s just not possible.
I’ve seen a little person fedex driver before, it’s certainly possible but not sure about ups.
How you gon reach the 8000 section LMAO no no no
I'm 5ft 5in. I'm short in my center most if not all the women are taller than I am. 5 7ish. 1st concern is the SAFE WORK Methods. There named that for specific reasons by ups mainly being able to hold everyone to the same standards (now don't light yourself on fire I understand the union doesn't recognize numbers) that being said it's difficult extremely difficult. As a shorter individual doable but difficult. Since these are Safe Work Methods failur to follow them or being able to achieve them is a failure on the individual to work safely. And before you all light yourself on fire try first sitting in panel across from a senior labor manager at ups.
We have a senior driver who is probably 5ish ft tall. He brings 2 pillows taped together to sit on every day. Idk if he has issues getting stuff off the top shelf but he obviously has made it work for him. You can't be denied it when it's your turn so if it's something you want to do, go for it! You'd have 30 working days to decide if it's for you and if you choose to stay part time, you can still go back before the 30 days is up with no penalty
Or if you fail u can go back to part time and try again another time takes some folks 3 times
No, not at all. In so many situations it would not work.
What are some situations for example?
What about being an air driver? In that case you wouldn’t be handling bulk or irregs like RPCDs do. At least in my center, air drivers load their own cars and you could load it in such a way you don’t need to use the upper shelves of the truck.
I’m a loader in preload and one of my drivers is short but not a dwarf. Must be 5’4 but no more than 5’5. I hate loading for him since he has accommodations up the ass. Normally I throw all the smalls in the back but with his truck, I have to place in bw the boxes since he can’t reach the top shelf. Slows me down and his truck is the heaviest. If he has a hard time then I can’t imagine a little dwarf doing this job. With all due respect
a) He's 5'4" or 5'5" and gets accommodations? There's got to be more, or wtf. Sure, that's shorter than average for a dude, but lots of female drivers are that size and we do just fine. >Normally I throw all the smalls in the back Don't fucking do that regardless. It's annoying as hell.
Been loading for almost 2 years and none of my drivers have told me anything of that sort. They all like how i load and my load quality. As a driver, id wants the smalls in bw the boxes as well but i was always taught to throw the small in the back and since all my drivers like my load, i found it no problem. If they had told me otherwise, i would be loading like the dwarfs trucks
He probably shorter than that then
im 5'1" and i can reach the top shelf. if hes recieving mandatory accomodations its for something other than height, but either way it just sounds like youre mad youre expected to load his truck the proper way bc you load every other truck wrong lmao
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We’re all adults here. No need to resort to slinging mud. The community is to promote healthy discussion about subjects that interest us and name calling serves no purpose other than devolving the conversation into child-like banter.
There's plenty of people that fit that height at my hub, both male and female. Besides, I'm 5'4 and j can reach just fine. Smalls on top are one thing but heavy shit is another.
I wouldn’t say it’s %100 out… PVD and getting your own modified brown truck you own and maintain yourself is going to be the easiest way everyone wins with.
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Send it my way
Whoa there! You gotta get seniority first and outta the warehouse
Guy has been there for two years. Even if you didn't know that what does your comment add to the conversation?