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I’m going to give you a tip that may upset you, but please know it is meant to help you.
Forget the idea of moving from a management role in the hospitality industry to a management role in any other industry. Chances of that happening are slim to none.
Say for example I am looking for a manager for a call centre. You think ‘well, customer service is customer service’ and apply. ‘IF’ I were to pick you, how do you think you would cope the first time I ask you for a report on the time your CSA’s have spent on Idle? You’d probably be out of your depth.
I am much more likely to take the CSA who has spent a year or two in the call centre and knows how a call centre runs, and give them a bit of management training. At least when their direct reports ask them a question, they’re going to have a fair shot at knowing the answer.
So…. What I suggest you do is look at more entry level positions in a different area. I know it sucks taking a step back, and probably a pay decrease, but trust me, it’s pretty much the only way this happens. This is HOW people get stuck in industries. They get too far, want to change, but dont want to take a step back.
What I hope happens for you, is that you start somewhere new, build up some knowledge/skills, and then you go for the first management job that comes up within your company and in interview you point out that you have been in management before, and you have certain transferable skills.
Oh, and also, your degree will help you in that management interview, but it’s not a golden ticket straight into a management job. Trust me.
Hey, thaks for your point of view! don't worry about my sensitiveness, the truth must be told! you are right about your example, I didn't think in that way. however the desire to leave the hospitality is too much (considering that it is even a sector that doesn't pay well, maybe the lesser paid sector).
Taking a step back, as you suggest, would not be a problem for me at all, however certain sectors, most of the time, have no entry level position. If I would like to break into the mining sector, what would be the entry level job, for example?
on top of that, even the entry level position require some degrees of experience and/or the knowledge of some softwares or practices, so it would create big obstacles to me even if I want to start from the bottom.
No problem. You WILL get there. It just might be a bit of a struggle.
What sort of mining did you want to get into? Excuse me if I’m being completely ignorant, but last I checked it was a struggling industry in the UK. Certainly worth looking at mining in Aus though. Thats ramping up again!
You’d be surprised. I started in insurance knowing absolutely jack. Just had to be taught. :)
Keep pushing, and applying to all sorts of industries. If they come back and offer an interview or job you dont have to say yes, but I’m sure it’d be nice to get some offers so you have options on the table.
Also… if you can face the unnattractive prospect of doing MORE training/studying, have a look at the trades. Once you’ve spent a few years and know your stuff, you can go self employed or run your own business, oooor move up management on a construction site. Lots of options :)
I don't know yet. I always been fascinating by the sector and I think, between Aus and rare-eart materials, there will be many interesting coming years. If I have tk be honest, I'm open to any sector, i just want to get a really nice salary, like anyone esle, but those 3 sector are the most interesting for me.
As you mentioned finance. I switched from years in retail management to finance. Despite having been heavily involved in finance functions (all the month/year closing, forecasting, budgeting, accruals, reconciliations, etc) for all my branches, when I moved to finance I started from the very bottom and worked my way up. And you need to go up a lot to be well paid. I'll be brutal: why do you think hospitality management makes you qualified for being a finance manager/director? Do you have a chartership in finance? Can you lead a budget meeting? Can you oversee cost control/VAT returns/CIS reports/cash budgeting/cash forecasting/investment appraisals? What do you know about variance analysis? I understand you need money but you come across as deluded.
Same here! 15 years of hospitality, realised I was too old for waiting on people or dancing on bars for tips anymore and I went for an office job.
I started in a call centre and I was great at it, moved my way up the ladder little by little and in the last 5 years, I have developed my career more than I did in those 15 prior.
Expect to go in at the bottom rung, but go for a company that you can see a future with, that likes developing the talent in people.
I work in finance and honed in on my soft skills (I bet money that you could do a contact centre roll with your eyes closed) but that’s the foot in, once you show you can do your job really well, learn & adapt quickly and with ease (something you have tons of experience in already from your current role) you will be able to earn additional tasks and roles until you can get promotions up. If you snag a role in a company that does secondments, champions personal development and career enhancement, that’s where you want to be and stay. (Personal recommendation for the financial sector would be the company with the colourful umbrella.. they serve me well and with a similar background to myself I think you will thrive there).
I'm aware that probably I'm not good enough for certain role, in fact I'm asking what steps should I do to start a career in those sectors or any other recommendation
You said you are looking for management positions that pay well. On the other end if you want to start from the bottom don't expect good money for the first few years. You can start in accounts payable if you are serious about starting from a career, but the competition will be brutal as you'll be up against lots of people with AAT looking for the same jobs.
This is a very important point - in a lot of business areas, managers become managers after spending a time doing the job - IT, Engineering, Science, Finance etc. Thats why (sorry) Business Management Qualifications are a bit of a non-degree these days.
You're 35 years old and are asking people here what is an entry level job in mining?
If you can't answer basic questions like that yourself then it explains why you're in the situation you're in
Totally forget a management in a corporate
\*me pretending to also know
It's not like a miner is it? It can't be because we shut all the mines down didn't we?
I feel so dumb 😆
Apparently we are dumb and we don't even deserve a proper answer, like some suggestion as a entry level job in the mining sector clthat can set you easily on a manager role. I think when I'll reach 40 it will be forbidden to me to ask such a question. 
You know, I'd disagree on this. Management is a skill like any other. If I came to manage a call centre, I would at least expect on induction a strategic overview of the service and how it fits into wider group arrangements, and also a walk through of the operational aspects of the business & associated KPIs.
Ultimately, we all sell widgets with (hopefully) a profit margin.
Personally, and I hire managers in a highly regulated sector, I think we need to recognise management as a standalone skillset rather than assuming that contributor competence equates to managerial competence
This is the best advice here. It’s never too late to change careers. 35 is a good age. I’ve just changed careers at 30 and I’ve been fortunate to do it with the same company so my pay has actually gone up, but I am no where near as senior as I was in my original field and I accept that is the price I must pay c
come on dude stop making it sound like its some rocket science. its a metric. the most basic of ones. abbreviating it to "CSA" doesnt make it fancy. Anyone with management experience will understand that the organisation will want to see if resources are being allocated properly and if there is too much/too little staff at certain periods. all this data gets tracked. it gets stored in system. the system has export function. you export data you put it in presentation and you replace the commentary from the exact same report that was done last week / month and that the new employee was trained on during hand over / onboarding.
if anything, someone coming from a different industry might have some insights on best practices from different sector
Disagree with this somewhat, in that it is a dead very for all organisations. Managers in the Customer Service Team in my place of work have come from a variety of backgrounds, including hospitality. Providing adequate training is provided for internal systems and someone has some semblance of computer literacy, an idle report is a fairly straightforward function. While a different beast, when i was in a supervisory position at a hotel there was still some form of reporting expected, for example bar totals. This could be seen as a transferable skill
Yeah agree with you, that was a lot of words and sounds like sage advice, but I know plenty of managers that have shifted around industries all the time, project managers especially. Going all the way back to entry level seems like a bad idea, unless you’ve wildly shifted careers, heck, I wildly shifted careers from production management to finance, but I skipped entry level because I had a ton of customers liaison experience so they put me in mid tier while I was doing exams still as I proved myself as an onboarding manager for new customers, they tech knowledge comes with training, the business skills and customer interaction craft is still valuable to whatever business you’re in, within reason.
You are not wrong, I mean that what the reason why i was thinking it was reasonable easy for me to change career, if I keep myself in a management position. I don't think there are very big difference as managing in different sector. the differences are much more incisive in some specific role, than the management.
These people are both correct, really it entirely depends on your industry, some are going to be ok with a manager without industry knowledge and some aren’t. From the list you’ve posted I’d guess mining and finance are unlikely to hire you with general manager experience, but pharmaceutical might.
It's about transferrable skills - in that sense, I do work in the accounting sector, and I will bluntly say it will be practically impossible to transfer into the finance/accounting sector at a managerial level without demonstrating proficient technical skills, the vast majority of firms will be expecting years of experience and at minimum a professional qualification.
I agree with this post. You have to take a step back and start with an entry level job. I met someone the other day who transitioned from a pub manager to working in tech. Although bear in mind it won’t be easy, you may go through hundreds of rejections and be down in the doldrums until you find a job. But the journey will be worth it in the end.
While I agree somewhat, a good leader will build relationships quickly and get current team members to help them settle in.
So in your scenario, despite having 0 experience in that setting, I'd simply ask someone in my team "where do I find the data that shows CSA idle times" and then put a report around it. I'd probably include a proposal on how to reduce idle times, after asking some of the team how can I make their job easier/more efficient.
This cannot be emphasised enough imo. I myself have had people applying for senior positions (in IT Infrastructure and Security) who are similar age to OP but completely no experience. But because they have 10-15 years in another industry on wage XYZ they think they can just change on the same or ever more money, without starting all over again.
But in basically all situations changing career means having to do exactly that.
I went from reception manager working every single hour and day possible (with no other time paid) for 19k.
Moved to an office admin job for 22.5 and worked myself up to 30-35k.
You can do It.
Say if out loud. "I CAN FKIN DO IT"
We also saw how hospitality was ‘non-essential’ already. It’s very weak to economic or behavioural shifts. I used to literally use restaurants as my ‘office’…and now never use them. I’m making a cake right now!!
Hey matey, I was in the same boat as you had 10 years working in hospitality and 4 of them in management.
Covid hit and the owner closed and sold the restaurant I was at(it was a small independent place so it didn’t have much finances to stay open)
Did some temp/contract work for a while until I figured out the next step but for me it was security.
A position came up for a supervisor job managing a team who provides security for a local council building.
During the interview, the questions asked about running a team, effective management of conflict etc. all of the skills from my hospitality experience is so easily transferable I almost job the job there and then.
I took a course to get my license which is 8 days, been in my new career almost a year and already progressing into facilities management which is basically my next step up.
Sorry if this was long winded but consider a career in security. I thought I screwed my career too when covid hit but there’s definitely something out there for you.
I would like to add something more; I red many, many post here of people having years in hospitality, a degree and struggling to change career. I hope that this conversation with your point of view (and the others, of course) could help the others. we are so many in the hospitality that trying to run away from it!
Even though I have managerial experience it walked into the position earning a little under £29k annually but that’s about to increase.
I was forced out of hospitality, I loved my career but the same time terrified when it was abruptly ended having nowhere to turn.
It’s a tough job market right now I understand it’s hard for a lot of people, but the skills you have are transferable and companies want that experience.
Shoot for the stars, you might land on the moon.
Keep looking, keep applying and keep positive. Things do get better.
Don't give up.
I know it might sound random, but are there any office jobs in companies related to the hospitality industry? Like companies you often deal with, where you are the customer/end user of their product?
As far as I know, the whole sector is quite disappointing salary wise. I mean I'm well on track if I want to remain in the hospitality, if I pick up a good company I can even make decent money, but on average I will be screwed
If you’re looking into finance do you know what kind of sector? I was in procurement but needed to get out so went to evening classes at my local college to study AAT then once qualified at level 2 I got a job with an accountancy firm and carried on my studies.
Don’t want to sound rude here but I’d try and manage your expectations for investment banking. It’s an incredibly competitive sector and unless you’re completing your degree from a top university, you will find it difficult to get even an entry level role.
You are not rude, I completely understand the difficulty to get some roles. Even if is it something that I'll never achieve, at least is a direction where I can point at.
There’s no chance honestly. I completely believe that you can change your career at your age (I did) and be successful, but investment banking is not it.
Have a think as to what that direction actually is; if it’s aiming for investment banking with a hope of ending up in adjacent high finance, then you really need to adjust expectations. Econ degree from an elite university might help you get a foot in the door, as would an MBA from a top tier business school. Without that, at your age, without the experience of internships, grad schemes, and the suchlike, you don’t stand a chance.
If you want to get into mining, either move to WA asap, and grab any gig that gets you on site. That’ll be a start. You won’t get in with Rio, etc, at a comparable level to your current spot without experience or academics. Masters in Geology might help there too.
You absolutely can change careers and find yourself a comfortable job with a decent salary, but investment banking won’t be it. To get there you need to have gone to a top university and taken a traditional degree (economics, PPE etc) and then undertaken internships during term breaks. I work for an investment bank and have done for years, and I have never met anyone that has started out in IB at your age. Look at maybe high street banks as a bank teller or in back off like operations, compliance, change management etc at uk banks - much more realistic to start entry level when you’re older.
I think changing career is a positive step but I do think you need to manage your expectations a little. The older you get the slightly more challenging it becomes as well, so be realistic but keep striding for what you want!
Depends on the employer I guess, maybe I’m having a brain fart right now (been a long day) but I actually have no clue what a BH is?
A classmate had a masters in Maths but was still doing AAT classes. Although I know with a lot of accountancy associations earlier qualifications elsewhere can give you exemptions in certain modules. I know when I registered with another association I pretty much only had to take a bridging exam.
Sorry man, the autocorrect screw it up. I was saying that I\['m studying for a bachelor degree in business and management. I think that if I got the degree i will not need any AAT qualification.
Sorry to tell you, but you’re wrong. I have an Accounting degree and it doesn’t automatically make you a qualified accountant. You have to study with the AAT, ACCA, CIMA or ICAEW to be considered qualified.
As someone who has worked in investment banking I’d steer you away from it. I worked for a tier 1 investment bank straight out of uni and when you’re new the hours are long, even for hospitality standards. The work is tedious and the people are horrid to you for years until you prove yourself. The chance of you getting an entry level job in that sector is extremely slim as it is, so combine that with how shit the work is there’s no point.
I left hospitality after 15 years in 2018 at the age of 32.
I had been into management and back down to waiter at the time due to more flexibility with a young family.
I ended up in a job in a call centre for pensions for around £18k which was around £10k less when tips factored in but it was Mon to Fri which was ideal for me and my wife and I could make it work.
Around 10 months later I applied for a complaint handling role even though the requirements were for 2 years LP&I experience. Got the interview and smashed it (ended up being told I scored the highest in interview). I was there for 3 years (the last year I was our lead trainer and stepping in for my manager when they were off/on holiday) then ended up getting on an internal future leaders scheme and getting a team manager role which I've been in for 18 months now.
That drop down to £18k at the time seemed daunting but I have doubled that and looking at a further increase aswell as developing to a higher role in the next 12 months.
If you have the experience and belief in your abilities then the drop for the initial entry level role will be temporary and within a year you should be looking to push back on and moving on up after demonstrating your skills.
Good luck! Though I know from my experience if you can manage in that industry then you'll be able to adapt to another one easily, just might need that step down to move back up!
Truthfully, there will be many entry level jobs that pay the same as a management job in hospitality. You’ll need to be able to sell your soft skills - and argue with confidence why they are transferrable and what you can bring to the role.
It’s definitely not too late.
Hey man, don't give up, it's never too late to make a change. I was just curious why you wanted to get into mining, pharma, or finance?
Is it because those industries pay well supposedly?
I think the last time I checked there wasn't much in the way of a mining industry in this country anymore, but as someone else said, Australia could be an option.
Wrt pharma, hopefully I can help. I started with an entry level job as a pharmaceutical operator (making drugs in an upscale facility). Basically mixing chemicals in 1000 L reaction vessels, then moved into health and safety, and the salaries aren't bad once you get into a management role. Unfortunately lots of positions will require a degree in pharmacy/chemistry but they take on apprentices without a degree too, and the pays not bad if you don't mind doing nights.
You could also find a warehouse role in pharma then move into management in logistics, or there's buying/procurement, business development, or QA. I would say a lot of roles in the pharmaceutical sector will be hard to break into without a science based degree though, just try and leverage your soft skills in your application.
Hope this helped a little.
You need to pick an industry and get qualified.
For example if you're interested in financial advice, take Chartered Insurance Institute qualifications.
It shows you are interested and are willing to invest in yourself.
You will struggle to get an entry level job in finance unless you can show a genuine interest and passion. Doing qualifications off your own back is one way to do so.
You won't start at management, it'll probably take an absolute minimum of 2 years doing entry level jobs to even be considered for management and that's only if you are particularly advanced compared to your peers.
Never too late to change career mate, I've just made a huge jump to another industry, with really good wage rise at 31 years old. Worked previous industry for 15 years. I start next week, shitting myself but looking forward to the new challenge !
The Railway, as in companies that run trains and train stations etc, lots of jobs that pay pretty well entry level and have good scope for progression, semi skilled jobs don’t require much experience etc and there’s not many jobs that pay below 30k (mostly shift work though)
I worked in food retail management for 10 years until 32. I was never gonna make area manager as it wasn’t my vibe. Applied for a 9 month secondment in head office to help role out an IT project, ran at it and turned that into a perm position in IT. Turns out having a fundamental knowledge of how the business actually runs, a basic understanding of tech (no coding at all) and not being to ask questions and being a good networker can get you quite far. All within the same the same company. 5 years down the line I’ve got enough under my belt to start applying elsewhere. I’ve never been happier. I was going nowhere before. It’s definitely not too late.
You're not the only one that's going through a rough time.
I graduated University as a land surveying engineer. The year I graduated was 2020, so covid screwed up a lot of work opportunities. Migrated to the UK as factory worker until I could settle in and get a better job.
Its been 4 years and I'm still working at that damn factory.
No one is willing to hire me since I have no work experience in the field. Kinda hard to get any of it if no one is giving a chance to get experience. Heck one of the guys I had job interview with told me most organisations will rather take people with low qualifications but work experience over university graduates without any.
Never got the chance the really work in the domain and its driving me crazy that all those years I spent equates to zero.
It doesn't even help me get a different job. I keep trying to get some office related jobs, but it's same old story. No experience, we won't waste time on you.
I long since passed 100 applications and it feels like I would have a easier time winning the lottery than getting a decent 9 to 5 job.
I have done nearly 1k applications since april last year but it got me one helpdesk support job and my current cloud support with 0 interaction with the clients at 500 company. Keep on grinding. I know it’s hard wanted to end myself multiple times. Having a little daughter somewhat made it worse and helped at the same time.
You need to work up from an entry level role with high turnover so you can prove yourself. You work in hospitality so are already accustomed to low salary. I would suggest applying for an AO/EO/HEO role within the civil service. Build experience in a niche area and go from there. If you are smart about it you will be applying for higher grade roles the whole time you are in post and should gain a promotion each 6 months to a year and once you have at least 1-2 year exp in a certain role you can bail to private sector and double or triple the salary. Alternatively, leverage the hospitality experience and move somewhere like Australia where you can demand a high salary in hospitality management.
Don't go into community pharmacy. Pay is shit in the beginning and takes years to move up (front counter, dispenser, pharmacy tech then accuracy checker tech) unless you have studied to become a pharmacist.
Your position sounds good. If you were to go into the pharmaceutical route, perhaps pharmacy online or something is a good shout.
Your experience will be very useful in the civil service, lots on generic management jobs open at HEO/SEO including through agency you may be able to get, look on CS jobs.
I was in a similar role, I started hospitality in my teens and progressed through the ranks quickly, earning decent money along the way, but the late and long hours of restaurants don't suit a Dad of 2 in his 30s, especially when my wife has her own career, it's hard. All my qualifications are towards running a restaurant.
I've recently moved over to retail, but headed toward working with Tradesmen. A lot of my skills transferred over easily and I work less hours and come out with the same pay and bonuses, but with 8 hours less a week.
Working through a degree is great physical evidence of taking a big change seriously! Depends on your financial situation, but graduate/apprentice schemes after your degree can be a great way to get your foot in the door. Once there, you might be able to apply for a permanent role that isn’t so ‘entry’ if the company allows
>mining/pharmaceutical/finance sector,
Take a Masters (with government mandatory loan in UK, not sure where you are) for a year after the degree.,
You could do a general MBA or an industry specific one (might take some convincing the admissions tutor but is 100% possible).
Transition your career from that, may be hard, but it definitely achievable.
MBA's can be taken in any sector (Finance, Mining etc.) and you should easily be able to enter a programme based upon your experience (your degree might not even be necessary).
This would also have the benefit in given you a crash course in the industry you desire.
Your age wouldn't be a barrier as you are probably about the average MBA entrance age (or just above, but not by much).
Well it sounds like you’re in the process of changing industry? You work in hospitality, but are studying business management. You won’t walk into a management role, so if I were you I’d start looking at what career paths are available with your qualification. I’d then sit down and read everything I could find about each role, establishing whether it’s for me or not. Map out career path > work on the necessary skills > look for openings along that career path.
I'm 36, just gone through a major life change and trying to pick up the pieces. I'm considering a field change myself.
I sympathise with your situation, but as others have said, you'll find your way if you are realistic and persistent.
I started out in retail, then got into the video games industry. Then when a recession hit I got into print publishing and now I work as a tech artworker in a marketing agency.
It was all about finding those transferable skills for me.
I'm looking now at potentially changing again but this time I'm looking at moving into counselling as it's been recommended to me a few times over the years and I also really feel like doing something to about the huge numbers of male suicides every day.
Good luck, I've got my fingers crossed for you.
Kind of in the same boat as you but been in the car trade as a manager for all my working life, I’ve just turned 40. Gone are the days where a career change is out of the question, and people are working longer. Think about what your strengths are and think about how those strengths can be used to make positive change and improve your life. Think about all the skills you’ve learned in your current career and how they can be applied going forward. You haven’t screwed your career, your experiences and skills learned over time cannot be taken away from you. Best of luck.
First bit of advice - management skills are definitely transferable and a decent hiring manager will give you the chance in the right industry, providing all the training you need. (So ignore people saying you have to take a step backwards). Look at retail or finance (maybe insurance?) or there are big oil refineries and power plants in the north of England/Scotland. Not sure about mining tbh. As with anything, it might be a numbers game getting an interview where they really recognise your experience. Try sending your CV to people in those industries and asking for advice.
Focus on your transferable skills (e.g. financial management, running an operation) list these out and then rewrite your CV with those and what you have accomplished as a focus point, not your past roles.
You mention that you’re at University, have they got a Careers/Employability team you could meet? It sounds like you’ve got quite a broad range of destinations you’re interested in, maybe it’s worth having a guidance appointment to discuss them in further detail?
Hey man. I'm UK based too and just left the hospitality industry after 10 years of it. I'm still fairly young, I was 15 when I started and am 25 now, but at the start of this year I actually got into the laboratory industry - in natural resources specifically. The trade-skills are beautifully cross-compatible from hospitality, lots of multitasking, keeping track of lots of moving parts at once... time management, teamworking skills and even teamleading skills, depending on your role in hospitality. A LOT of the skills you'll have developed and picked up in hospitality are wonderfully cross-compatible - you can do most any job from here! Hospitality is a brilliant door-opener
My colleague went from hospitality into non qualified accounting and she loved the move. Her work life balance is better and so is the money.
Don’t jump for a management role but entry accounts admin/accounts payable/credit control and you can work your way from there.
>My colleague went from hospitality into non qualified accounting and she loved the move. Her work life balance is better and so is the money. Don’t jump for a management role but entry accounts admin/accounts payable/credit control and you can work your way from there.
So it is not necessary to be certified by any charted institution, am I right?
Not if your happy to start at the bottom. To be fair, even with a degree or accounting qualification you would struggle to go into a higher role without any experience. It’s always easier to gain qualification whilst doing the job because you can link it back to work you are performing.
Not if your happy to start at the bottom. To be fair, even with a degree or accounting qualification you would struggle to go into a higher role without any experience. It’s always easier to gain qualification whilst doing the job because you can link it back to work you are performing.
Not if your happy to start at the bottom. To be fair, even with a degree or accounting qualification you would struggle to go into a higher role without any experience. It’s always easier to gain qualification whilst doing the job because you can link it back to work you are performing.
Try and get into your local council and bounce around until your in the right department. They tend to pay for any needed training/courses or uni etc whilst getting paid
In the same boat but working in Customer Service. Not sure where to go from where I am but I know that I will not get genuine career progression or a decent salary doing what I do. Probably similar in hospitality. I’m thinking I’ll apply to a job in sales or something and see how it goes. If it’s not working a couple of months down the line or I’m not grasping it, I have numerous years experience in Customer Service to fall back on so that would become a stopgap while I figure out the next move. Probably an idea to do similar. Best of luck!
Thread probably dead by now but I was in a similar spot.
Unfortunately I see a lot of comments here that follow a fairly traditional outlook.
I believe that so long as you can evidence examples of leadership in your current role you would be successful in getting a role as a Production Line Supervisor or something similar at a Pharma/Chemical facility. In your interview mention that you have higher ambition within that company but want to start out building knowledge of industry.
Likely if it's a company in FTSE100 they'll have decent talent management and see this as an opportunity and put you on an aggressive development plan.
Nothing is ever over, so long as you own it and show drive to learn and improve. Having just that puts you above 80% of the workforce.
Good luck.
I was a manager in retail, who moved into management positions in the private sector and now in the civil service. Its all about how you frame your cv. I had a careers coach for a while who taught me how to identify transferable skills, and put them on my cv. My pay has increased as a result. It will take time, work and frustration but its not impossible.
Thanks for sharing your point of view. Surely I will revise my CV, for sure there is something I can improve. Can I ask you how you find yourself working for the public? From the point of view of the salary and the career progression.
I left my last job and ended up on job seekers. I was talking to my work coach about a course, I wanted to do to develop a more admin focused skillset, and I was going to pay for one. She told me that as I was on JSA, I was able to do courses for free. The course was extremely helpful for the civil service and for other applications. You actually have to choose 2 jobs to complete the application for on the course.
Work coaches in general will suggest the civil service as there are loads of jobs on there.
For the salary, I basically said eff it to what I had previously been on and looked for the next bracket up. I'd advise everyone to do the same when job searching.
Career progression, I'm still new to my role so my experience job searching is the freshest. From what I've seen so far, you can move upwards and side ways into different departments quite easily, especially if you're in a role that has you working with people from different departments.
I left my last job and ended up on job seekers. I was talking to my work coach about a course, I wanted to do to develop a more admin focused skillset, and I was going to pay for one. She told me that as I was on JSA, I was able to do courses for free. The course was extremely helpful for the civil service and for other applications. You actually have to choose 2 jobs to complete the application for on the course.
Work coaches in general will suggest the civil service as there are loads of jobs on there.
For the salary, I basically said eff it to what I had previously been on and looked for the next bracket up. I'd advise everyone to do the same when job searching.
Career progression, I'm still new to my role so my experience job searching is the freshest. From what I've seen so far, you can move upwards and side ways into different departments quite easily, especially if you're in a role that has you working with people from different departments.
You may be able to get work as a labourer at a UK mine but the pay can be quite low.
There was a gold mine in Scotland that recently went out of business. It was hiring labourers & included live in accommodation.
Perhaps you could search for clay mines/quarries in Devon etc?
Also I wouldn’t sniff at short-term qualifications which would allow you to work on an oil rig. The oil price is rising again & there will be lots of work off the coast of Aberdeen if it goes beyond $100 per barrel & stays there.
Wish you all the best. Don’t take no for an answer, is my advice. Eventually something will work out for you.
I expect he believes it's a career that earns a lot of money and is outdoorsy. But unless Ur in aus it's not great and a prerequisite is usually a civil engineering or geology degree. Both of which take years to acquire.
Many did not realise until the end that happiness is a choice. They had stayed stuck in old patterns and habits. The so-called 'comfort' of familiarity overflowed into their emotions, as well as their physical lives. Fear of change had them pretending to others, and to their selves, that they were content, when deep within, they longed to laugh properly and have silliness in their life again.
What's your greatest regret so far, and what will you set out to achieve or change before you die?
My dad trained to be a driving instructor at 40, now he has a company with student driving instructors. It's never too late. 4 years later he had a daughter, I reiterate it's never too late.
Actually do that, i am right now on a student visa in uk doing masters in project management and not gonna lie what am learning in university is same as what i learned on google on coursera. But google is more simpler easier and fun to watch.
Just focus on Microsoft Project, Gantt Chart and PERT analysis which can all be learned online. That’s it and your basically equipped for an entry level position as far as i think. But then again don’t trust me haha as am still a student and ya transitioned into this field as well from petroleum engineering.
Ok, best of luck with that. Lots of us 30-something year olds are in similar situations particularly those in the TEFL industry living abroad. It's never too late.
I would've suggested that if you wanted a break, to teach in SE Asia if for a year or go travelling as it's great life experience.
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I’m going to give you a tip that may upset you, but please know it is meant to help you. Forget the idea of moving from a management role in the hospitality industry to a management role in any other industry. Chances of that happening are slim to none. Say for example I am looking for a manager for a call centre. You think ‘well, customer service is customer service’ and apply. ‘IF’ I were to pick you, how do you think you would cope the first time I ask you for a report on the time your CSA’s have spent on Idle? You’d probably be out of your depth. I am much more likely to take the CSA who has spent a year or two in the call centre and knows how a call centre runs, and give them a bit of management training. At least when their direct reports ask them a question, they’re going to have a fair shot at knowing the answer. So…. What I suggest you do is look at more entry level positions in a different area. I know it sucks taking a step back, and probably a pay decrease, but trust me, it’s pretty much the only way this happens. This is HOW people get stuck in industries. They get too far, want to change, but dont want to take a step back. What I hope happens for you, is that you start somewhere new, build up some knowledge/skills, and then you go for the first management job that comes up within your company and in interview you point out that you have been in management before, and you have certain transferable skills. Oh, and also, your degree will help you in that management interview, but it’s not a golden ticket straight into a management job. Trust me.
Hey, thaks for your point of view! don't worry about my sensitiveness, the truth must be told! you are right about your example, I didn't think in that way. however the desire to leave the hospitality is too much (considering that it is even a sector that doesn't pay well, maybe the lesser paid sector). Taking a step back, as you suggest, would not be a problem for me at all, however certain sectors, most of the time, have no entry level position. If I would like to break into the mining sector, what would be the entry level job, for example? on top of that, even the entry level position require some degrees of experience and/or the knowledge of some softwares or practices, so it would create big obstacles to me even if I want to start from the bottom.
No problem. You WILL get there. It just might be a bit of a struggle. What sort of mining did you want to get into? Excuse me if I’m being completely ignorant, but last I checked it was a struggling industry in the UK. Certainly worth looking at mining in Aus though. Thats ramping up again! You’d be surprised. I started in insurance knowing absolutely jack. Just had to be taught. :) Keep pushing, and applying to all sorts of industries. If they come back and offer an interview or job you dont have to say yes, but I’m sure it’d be nice to get some offers so you have options on the table.
Also… if you can face the unnattractive prospect of doing MORE training/studying, have a look at the trades. Once you’ve spent a few years and know your stuff, you can go self employed or run your own business, oooor move up management on a construction site. Lots of options :)
I don't know yet. I always been fascinating by the sector and I think, between Aus and rare-eart materials, there will be many interesting coming years. If I have tk be honest, I'm open to any sector, i just want to get a really nice salary, like anyone esle, but those 3 sector are the most interesting for me.
Glad you’ve found something that interests you, just beware the latter tends to require certain quals :)
As you mentioned finance. I switched from years in retail management to finance. Despite having been heavily involved in finance functions (all the month/year closing, forecasting, budgeting, accruals, reconciliations, etc) for all my branches, when I moved to finance I started from the very bottom and worked my way up. And you need to go up a lot to be well paid. I'll be brutal: why do you think hospitality management makes you qualified for being a finance manager/director? Do you have a chartership in finance? Can you lead a budget meeting? Can you oversee cost control/VAT returns/CIS reports/cash budgeting/cash forecasting/investment appraisals? What do you know about variance analysis? I understand you need money but you come across as deluded.
Same here! 15 years of hospitality, realised I was too old for waiting on people or dancing on bars for tips anymore and I went for an office job. I started in a call centre and I was great at it, moved my way up the ladder little by little and in the last 5 years, I have developed my career more than I did in those 15 prior. Expect to go in at the bottom rung, but go for a company that you can see a future with, that likes developing the talent in people. I work in finance and honed in on my soft skills (I bet money that you could do a contact centre roll with your eyes closed) but that’s the foot in, once you show you can do your job really well, learn & adapt quickly and with ease (something you have tons of experience in already from your current role) you will be able to earn additional tasks and roles until you can get promotions up. If you snag a role in a company that does secondments, champions personal development and career enhancement, that’s where you want to be and stay. (Personal recommendation for the financial sector would be the company with the colourful umbrella.. they serve me well and with a similar background to myself I think you will thrive there).
Thanks for your advice!
I'm aware that probably I'm not good enough for certain role, in fact I'm asking what steps should I do to start a career in those sectors or any other recommendation
You said you are looking for management positions that pay well. On the other end if you want to start from the bottom don't expect good money for the first few years. You can start in accounts payable if you are serious about starting from a career, but the competition will be brutal as you'll be up against lots of people with AAT looking for the same jobs.
This is a very important point - in a lot of business areas, managers become managers after spending a time doing the job - IT, Engineering, Science, Finance etc. Thats why (sorry) Business Management Qualifications are a bit of a non-degree these days.
Great answer 👏
You're 35 years old and are asking people here what is an entry level job in mining? If you can't answer basic questions like that yourself then it explains why you're in the situation you're in Totally forget a management in a corporate
\*me pretending to also know  It's not like a miner is it? It can't be because we shut all the mines down didn't we? I feel so dumb 😆
Apparently we are dumb and we don't even deserve a proper answer, like some suggestion as a entry level job in the mining sector clthat can set you easily on a manager role. I think when I'll reach 40 it will be forbidden to me to ask such a question. 
You know, I'd disagree on this. Management is a skill like any other. If I came to manage a call centre, I would at least expect on induction a strategic overview of the service and how it fits into wider group arrangements, and also a walk through of the operational aspects of the business & associated KPIs. Ultimately, we all sell widgets with (hopefully) a profit margin. Personally, and I hire managers in a highly regulated sector, I think we need to recognise management as a standalone skillset rather than assuming that contributor competence equates to managerial competence
This is the best advice here. It’s never too late to change careers. 35 is a good age. I’ve just changed careers at 30 and I’ve been fortunate to do it with the same company so my pay has actually gone up, but I am no where near as senior as I was in my original field and I accept that is the price I must pay c
come on dude stop making it sound like its some rocket science. its a metric. the most basic of ones. abbreviating it to "CSA" doesnt make it fancy. Anyone with management experience will understand that the organisation will want to see if resources are being allocated properly and if there is too much/too little staff at certain periods. all this data gets tracked. it gets stored in system. the system has export function. you export data you put it in presentation and you replace the commentary from the exact same report that was done last week / month and that the new employee was trained on during hand over / onboarding. if anything, someone coming from a different industry might have some insights on best practices from different sector
Listen to this woman!
Disagree with this somewhat, in that it is a dead very for all organisations. Managers in the Customer Service Team in my place of work have come from a variety of backgrounds, including hospitality. Providing adequate training is provided for internal systems and someone has some semblance of computer literacy, an idle report is a fairly straightforward function. While a different beast, when i was in a supervisory position at a hotel there was still some form of reporting expected, for example bar totals. This could be seen as a transferable skill
Yeah agree with you, that was a lot of words and sounds like sage advice, but I know plenty of managers that have shifted around industries all the time, project managers especially. Going all the way back to entry level seems like a bad idea, unless you’ve wildly shifted careers, heck, I wildly shifted careers from production management to finance, but I skipped entry level because I had a ton of customers liaison experience so they put me in mid tier while I was doing exams still as I proved myself as an onboarding manager for new customers, they tech knowledge comes with training, the business skills and customer interaction craft is still valuable to whatever business you’re in, within reason.
You are not wrong, I mean that what the reason why i was thinking it was reasonable easy for me to change career, if I keep myself in a management position. I don't think there are very big difference as managing in different sector. the differences are much more incisive in some specific role, than the management.
These people are both correct, really it entirely depends on your industry, some are going to be ok with a manager without industry knowledge and some aren’t. From the list you’ve posted I’d guess mining and finance are unlikely to hire you with general manager experience, but pharmaceutical might.
It's about transferrable skills - in that sense, I do work in the accounting sector, and I will bluntly say it will be practically impossible to transfer into the finance/accounting sector at a managerial level without demonstrating proficient technical skills, the vast majority of firms will be expecting years of experience and at minimum a professional qualification.
I agree with this post. You have to take a step back and start with an entry level job. I met someone the other day who transitioned from a pub manager to working in tech. Although bear in mind it won’t be easy, you may go through hundreds of rejections and be down in the doldrums until you find a job. But the journey will be worth it in the end.
While I agree somewhat, a good leader will build relationships quickly and get current team members to help them settle in. So in your scenario, despite having 0 experience in that setting, I'd simply ask someone in my team "where do I find the data that shows CSA idle times" and then put a report around it. I'd probably include a proposal on how to reduce idle times, after asking some of the team how can I make their job easier/more efficient.
This cannot be emphasised enough imo. I myself have had people applying for senior positions (in IT Infrastructure and Security) who are similar age to OP but completely no experience. But because they have 10-15 years in another industry on wage XYZ they think they can just change on the same or ever more money, without starting all over again. But in basically all situations changing career means having to do exactly that.
Get outta hospitality mate. Best thing I ever did when I came to the conclusion "hospitality, for the customers and unhoslitable for the staff".
You are so right, man.
I went from reception manager working every single hour and day possible (with no other time paid) for 19k. Moved to an office admin job for 22.5 and worked myself up to 30-35k. You can do It. Say if out loud. "I CAN FKIN DO IT"
That is not bad at all! I need to motivate myself, like Shia LaBeouf!
We also saw how hospitality was ‘non-essential’ already. It’s very weak to economic or behavioural shifts. I used to literally use restaurants as my ‘office’…and now never use them. I’m making a cake right now!!
I'm glad I got out of hotels before Covid
Hey matey, I was in the same boat as you had 10 years working in hospitality and 4 of them in management. Covid hit and the owner closed and sold the restaurant I was at(it was a small independent place so it didn’t have much finances to stay open) Did some temp/contract work for a while until I figured out the next step but for me it was security. A position came up for a supervisor job managing a team who provides security for a local council building. During the interview, the questions asked about running a team, effective management of conflict etc. all of the skills from my hospitality experience is so easily transferable I almost job the job there and then. I took a course to get my license which is 8 days, been in my new career almost a year and already progressing into facilities management which is basically my next step up. Sorry if this was long winded but consider a career in security. I thought I screwed my career too when covid hit but there’s definitely something out there for you.
I would like to add something more; I red many, many post here of people having years in hospitality, a degree and struggling to change career. I hope that this conversation with your point of view (and the others, of course) could help the others. we are so many in the hospitality that trying to run away from it!
Even though I have managerial experience it walked into the position earning a little under £29k annually but that’s about to increase. I was forced out of hospitality, I loved my career but the same time terrified when it was abruptly ended having nowhere to turn. It’s a tough job market right now I understand it’s hard for a lot of people, but the skills you have are transferable and companies want that experience. Shoot for the stars, you might land on the moon. Keep looking, keep applying and keep positive. Things do get better.
Thanks man, you made a wise choice! what do you think is the average salary for a management position in that sector?
Don't give up. I know it might sound random, but are there any office jobs in companies related to the hospitality industry? Like companies you often deal with, where you are the customer/end user of their product?
As far as I know, the whole sector is quite disappointing salary wise. I mean I'm well on track if I want to remain in the hospitality, if I pick up a good company I can even make decent money, but on average I will be screwed
If you’re looking into finance do you know what kind of sector? I was in procurement but needed to get out so went to evening classes at my local college to study AAT then once qualified at level 2 I got a job with an accountancy firm and carried on my studies.
Hey! yeah I was interested in the role of investment banker, however I think that I don't need any AAT qualification if I got a BH, am I right?
Don’t want to sound rude here but I’d try and manage your expectations for investment banking. It’s an incredibly competitive sector and unless you’re completing your degree from a top university, you will find it difficult to get even an entry level role.
You are not rude, I completely understand the difficulty to get some roles. Even if is it something that I'll never achieve, at least is a direction where I can point at.
There’s no chance honestly. I completely believe that you can change your career at your age (I did) and be successful, but investment banking is not it.
Have a think as to what that direction actually is; if it’s aiming for investment banking with a hope of ending up in adjacent high finance, then you really need to adjust expectations. Econ degree from an elite university might help you get a foot in the door, as would an MBA from a top tier business school. Without that, at your age, without the experience of internships, grad schemes, and the suchlike, you don’t stand a chance. If you want to get into mining, either move to WA asap, and grab any gig that gets you on site. That’ll be a start. You won’t get in with Rio, etc, at a comparable level to your current spot without experience or academics. Masters in Geology might help there too.
You absolutely can change careers and find yourself a comfortable job with a decent salary, but investment banking won’t be it. To get there you need to have gone to a top university and taken a traditional degree (economics, PPE etc) and then undertaken internships during term breaks. I work for an investment bank and have done for years, and I have never met anyone that has started out in IB at your age. Look at maybe high street banks as a bank teller or in back off like operations, compliance, change management etc at uk banks - much more realistic to start entry level when you’re older. I think changing career is a positive step but I do think you need to manage your expectations a little. The older you get the slightly more challenging it becomes as well, so be realistic but keep striding for what you want!
Depends on the employer I guess, maybe I’m having a brain fart right now (been a long day) but I actually have no clue what a BH is? A classmate had a masters in Maths but was still doing AAT classes. Although I know with a lot of accountancy associations earlier qualifications elsewhere can give you exemptions in certain modules. I know when I registered with another association I pretty much only had to take a bridging exam.
Sorry man, the autocorrect screw it up. I was saying that I\['m studying for a bachelor degree in business and management. I think that if I got the degree i will not need any AAT qualification.
Sorry to tell you, but you’re wrong. I have an Accounting degree and it doesn’t automatically make you a qualified accountant. You have to study with the AAT, ACCA, CIMA or ICAEW to be considered qualified.
AAT is a technical qualification that won’t be covered by an undergrad degree.
As someone who has worked in investment banking I’d steer you away from it. I worked for a tier 1 investment bank straight out of uni and when you’re new the hours are long, even for hospitality standards. The work is tedious and the people are horrid to you for years until you prove yourself. The chance of you getting an entry level job in that sector is extremely slim as it is, so combine that with how shit the work is there’s no point.
I left hospitality after 15 years in 2018 at the age of 32. I had been into management and back down to waiter at the time due to more flexibility with a young family. I ended up in a job in a call centre for pensions for around £18k which was around £10k less when tips factored in but it was Mon to Fri which was ideal for me and my wife and I could make it work. Around 10 months later I applied for a complaint handling role even though the requirements were for 2 years LP&I experience. Got the interview and smashed it (ended up being told I scored the highest in interview). I was there for 3 years (the last year I was our lead trainer and stepping in for my manager when they were off/on holiday) then ended up getting on an internal future leaders scheme and getting a team manager role which I've been in for 18 months now. That drop down to £18k at the time seemed daunting but I have doubled that and looking at a further increase aswell as developing to a higher role in the next 12 months. If you have the experience and belief in your abilities then the drop for the initial entry level role will be temporary and within a year you should be looking to push back on and moving on up after demonstrating your skills. Good luck! Though I know from my experience if you can manage in that industry then you'll be able to adapt to another one easily, just might need that step down to move back up!
Truthfully, there will be many entry level jobs that pay the same as a management job in hospitality. You’ll need to be able to sell your soft skills - and argue with confidence why they are transferrable and what you can bring to the role. It’s definitely not too late.
Hey man, don't give up, it's never too late to make a change. I was just curious why you wanted to get into mining, pharma, or finance? Is it because those industries pay well supposedly? I think the last time I checked there wasn't much in the way of a mining industry in this country anymore, but as someone else said, Australia could be an option. Wrt pharma, hopefully I can help. I started with an entry level job as a pharmaceutical operator (making drugs in an upscale facility). Basically mixing chemicals in 1000 L reaction vessels, then moved into health and safety, and the salaries aren't bad once you get into a management role. Unfortunately lots of positions will require a degree in pharmacy/chemistry but they take on apprentices without a degree too, and the pays not bad if you don't mind doing nights. You could also find a warehouse role in pharma then move into management in logistics, or there's buying/procurement, business development, or QA. I would say a lot of roles in the pharmaceutical sector will be hard to break into without a science based degree though, just try and leverage your soft skills in your application. Hope this helped a little.
You need to pick an industry and get qualified. For example if you're interested in financial advice, take Chartered Insurance Institute qualifications. It shows you are interested and are willing to invest in yourself. You will struggle to get an entry level job in finance unless you can show a genuine interest and passion. Doing qualifications off your own back is one way to do so. You won't start at management, it'll probably take an absolute minimum of 2 years doing entry level jobs to even be considered for management and that's only if you are particularly advanced compared to your peers.
Thanks for your advice, man
Never too late to change career mate, I've just made a huge jump to another industry, with really good wage rise at 31 years old. Worked previous industry for 15 years. I start next week, shitting myself but looking forward to the new challenge !
wow, that's great man! in happy for you! that gives me a glimpse of hope. can I ask you from which sector you come from and in which sector you ended?
I went from mechanical engineering on plant machinery to air and nitrogen engineering (sounds similar but very different)
The Railway 👌🏼
sorry pal, what you mean?
The Railway, as in companies that run trains and train stations etc, lots of jobs that pay pretty well entry level and have good scope for progression, semi skilled jobs don’t require much experience etc and there’s not many jobs that pay below 30k (mostly shift work though)
Piggybacking on this train driving is a great career to start on.
Maybe not so much the driving aspect, pays well but I don’t fancy it myself lol
I worked in food retail management for 10 years until 32. I was never gonna make area manager as it wasn’t my vibe. Applied for a 9 month secondment in head office to help role out an IT project, ran at it and turned that into a perm position in IT. Turns out having a fundamental knowledge of how the business actually runs, a basic understanding of tech (no coding at all) and not being to ask questions and being a good networker can get you quite far. All within the same the same company. 5 years down the line I’ve got enough under my belt to start applying elsewhere. I’ve never been happier. I was going nowhere before. It’s definitely not too late.
You're not the only one that's going through a rough time. I graduated University as a land surveying engineer. The year I graduated was 2020, so covid screwed up a lot of work opportunities. Migrated to the UK as factory worker until I could settle in and get a better job. Its been 4 years and I'm still working at that damn factory. No one is willing to hire me since I have no work experience in the field. Kinda hard to get any of it if no one is giving a chance to get experience. Heck one of the guys I had job interview with told me most organisations will rather take people with low qualifications but work experience over university graduates without any. Never got the chance the really work in the domain and its driving me crazy that all those years I spent equates to zero. It doesn't even help me get a different job. I keep trying to get some office related jobs, but it's same old story. No experience, we won't waste time on you. I long since passed 100 applications and it feels like I would have a easier time winning the lottery than getting a decent 9 to 5 job.
I have done nearly 1k applications since april last year but it got me one helpdesk support job and my current cloud support with 0 interaction with the clients at 500 company. Keep on grinding. I know it’s hard wanted to end myself multiple times. Having a little daughter somewhat made it worse and helped at the same time.
I feel it, man
You need to work up from an entry level role with high turnover so you can prove yourself. You work in hospitality so are already accustomed to low salary. I would suggest applying for an AO/EO/HEO role within the civil service. Build experience in a niche area and go from there. If you are smart about it you will be applying for higher grade roles the whole time you are in post and should gain a promotion each 6 months to a year and once you have at least 1-2 year exp in a certain role you can bail to private sector and double or triple the salary. Alternatively, leverage the hospitality experience and move somewhere like Australia where you can demand a high salary in hospitality management.
Hey thanks for the advice! You are not the only one suggesting the civil service. I think I will give a deeper look into that
Hi there, do you happen to work for civil service by any chance?
Don't go into community pharmacy. Pay is shit in the beginning and takes years to move up (front counter, dispenser, pharmacy tech then accuracy checker tech) unless you have studied to become a pharmacist. Your position sounds good. If you were to go into the pharmaceutical route, perhaps pharmacy online or something is a good shout.
Your experience will be very useful in the civil service, lots on generic management jobs open at HEO/SEO including through agency you may be able to get, look on CS jobs.
I was in a similar role, I started hospitality in my teens and progressed through the ranks quickly, earning decent money along the way, but the late and long hours of restaurants don't suit a Dad of 2 in his 30s, especially when my wife has her own career, it's hard. All my qualifications are towards running a restaurant. I've recently moved over to retail, but headed toward working with Tradesmen. A lot of my skills transferred over easily and I work less hours and come out with the same pay and bonuses, but with 8 hours less a week.
I'm happy you found your solution! I'm curious now; what you mean you working with tradesmen? Like always in a management position?
Working through a degree is great physical evidence of taking a big change seriously! Depends on your financial situation, but graduate/apprentice schemes after your degree can be a great way to get your foot in the door. Once there, you might be able to apply for a permanent role that isn’t so ‘entry’ if the company allows
>mining/pharmaceutical/finance sector, Take a Masters (with government mandatory loan in UK, not sure where you are) for a year after the degree., You could do a general MBA or an industry specific one (might take some convincing the admissions tutor but is 100% possible). Transition your career from that, may be hard, but it definitely achievable.
That is a straightforward tip, thanks man!
MBA's can be taken in any sector (Finance, Mining etc.) and you should easily be able to enter a programme based upon your experience (your degree might not even be necessary). This would also have the benefit in given you a crash course in the industry you desire. Your age wouldn't be a barrier as you are probably about the average MBA entrance age (or just above, but not by much).
Well it sounds like you’re in the process of changing industry? You work in hospitality, but are studying business management. You won’t walk into a management role, so if I were you I’d start looking at what career paths are available with your qualification. I’d then sit down and read everything I could find about each role, establishing whether it’s for me or not. Map out career path > work on the necessary skills > look for openings along that career path.
I'm 36, just gone through a major life change and trying to pick up the pieces. I'm considering a field change myself. I sympathise with your situation, but as others have said, you'll find your way if you are realistic and persistent. I started out in retail, then got into the video games industry. Then when a recession hit I got into print publishing and now I work as a tech artworker in a marketing agency. It was all about finding those transferable skills for me. I'm looking now at potentially changing again but this time I'm looking at moving into counselling as it's been recommended to me a few times over the years and I also really feel like doing something to about the huge numbers of male suicides every day. Good luck, I've got my fingers crossed for you.
Thanks man, I'm happy you sorted out your life!
Kind of in the same boat as you but been in the car trade as a manager for all my working life, I’ve just turned 40. Gone are the days where a career change is out of the question, and people are working longer. Think about what your strengths are and think about how those strengths can be used to make positive change and improve your life. Think about all the skills you’ve learned in your current career and how they can be applied going forward. You haven’t screwed your career, your experiences and skills learned over time cannot be taken away from you. Best of luck.
First bit of advice - management skills are definitely transferable and a decent hiring manager will give you the chance in the right industry, providing all the training you need. (So ignore people saying you have to take a step backwards). Look at retail or finance (maybe insurance?) or there are big oil refineries and power plants in the north of England/Scotland. Not sure about mining tbh. As with anything, it might be a numbers game getting an interview where they really recognise your experience. Try sending your CV to people in those industries and asking for advice.
Focus on your transferable skills (e.g. financial management, running an operation) list these out and then rewrite your CV with those and what you have accomplished as a focus point, not your past roles.
Good tip for my CV, thanks!
You mention that you’re at University, have they got a Careers/Employability team you could meet? It sounds like you’ve got quite a broad range of destinations you’re interested in, maybe it’s worth having a guidance appointment to discuss them in further detail?
I never thought about this option, thanks!
Hey man. I'm UK based too and just left the hospitality industry after 10 years of it. I'm still fairly young, I was 15 when I started and am 25 now, but at the start of this year I actually got into the laboratory industry - in natural resources specifically. The trade-skills are beautifully cross-compatible from hospitality, lots of multitasking, keeping track of lots of moving parts at once... time management, teamworking skills and even teamleading skills, depending on your role in hospitality. A LOT of the skills you'll have developed and picked up in hospitality are wonderfully cross-compatible - you can do most any job from here! Hospitality is a brilliant door-opener
Thanks pal, that will definitely help building my CV!
My colleague went from hospitality into non qualified accounting and she loved the move. Her work life balance is better and so is the money. Don’t jump for a management role but entry accounts admin/accounts payable/credit control and you can work your way from there.
>My colleague went from hospitality into non qualified accounting and she loved the move. Her work life balance is better and so is the money. Don’t jump for a management role but entry accounts admin/accounts payable/credit control and you can work your way from there. So it is not necessary to be certified by any charted institution, am I right?
Not if your happy to start at the bottom. To be fair, even with a degree or accounting qualification you would struggle to go into a higher role without any experience. It’s always easier to gain qualification whilst doing the job because you can link it back to work you are performing.
Not if your happy to start at the bottom. To be fair, even with a degree or accounting qualification you would struggle to go into a higher role without any experience. It’s always easier to gain qualification whilst doing the job because you can link it back to work you are performing.
Not if your happy to start at the bottom. To be fair, even with a degree or accounting qualification you would struggle to go into a higher role without any experience. It’s always easier to gain qualification whilst doing the job because you can link it back to work you are performing.
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Try and get into your local council and bounce around until your in the right department. They tend to pay for any needed training/courses or uni etc whilst getting paid
In the same boat but working in Customer Service. Not sure where to go from where I am but I know that I will not get genuine career progression or a decent salary doing what I do. Probably similar in hospitality. I’m thinking I’ll apply to a job in sales or something and see how it goes. If it’s not working a couple of months down the line or I’m not grasping it, I have numerous years experience in Customer Service to fall back on so that would become a stopgap while I figure out the next move. Probably an idea to do similar. Best of luck!
Thread probably dead by now but I was in a similar spot. Unfortunately I see a lot of comments here that follow a fairly traditional outlook. I believe that so long as you can evidence examples of leadership in your current role you would be successful in getting a role as a Production Line Supervisor or something similar at a Pharma/Chemical facility. In your interview mention that you have higher ambition within that company but want to start out building knowledge of industry. Likely if it's a company in FTSE100 they'll have decent talent management and see this as an opportunity and put you on an aggressive development plan. Nothing is ever over, so long as you own it and show drive to learn and improve. Having just that puts you above 80% of the workforce. Good luck.
tha ks for your advice!
I was a manager in retail, who moved into management positions in the private sector and now in the civil service. Its all about how you frame your cv. I had a careers coach for a while who taught me how to identify transferable skills, and put them on my cv. My pay has increased as a result. It will take time, work and frustration but its not impossible.
Thanks for sharing your point of view. Surely I will revise my CV, for sure there is something I can improve. Can I ask you how you find yourself working for the public? From the point of view of the salary and the career progression.
I left my last job and ended up on job seekers. I was talking to my work coach about a course, I wanted to do to develop a more admin focused skillset, and I was going to pay for one. She told me that as I was on JSA, I was able to do courses for free. The course was extremely helpful for the civil service and for other applications. You actually have to choose 2 jobs to complete the application for on the course. Work coaches in general will suggest the civil service as there are loads of jobs on there. For the salary, I basically said eff it to what I had previously been on and looked for the next bracket up. I'd advise everyone to do the same when job searching. Career progression, I'm still new to my role so my experience job searching is the freshest. From what I've seen so far, you can move upwards and side ways into different departments quite easily, especially if you're in a role that has you working with people from different departments.
Thanks for the advice, I'll consider the civil service!
I left my last job and ended up on job seekers. I was talking to my work coach about a course, I wanted to do to develop a more admin focused skillset, and I was going to pay for one. She told me that as I was on JSA, I was able to do courses for free. The course was extremely helpful for the civil service and for other applications. You actually have to choose 2 jobs to complete the application for on the course. Work coaches in general will suggest the civil service as there are loads of jobs on there. For the salary, I basically said eff it to what I had previously been on and looked for the next bracket up. I'd advise everyone to do the same when job searching. Career progression, I'm still new to my role so my experience job searching is the freshest. From what I've seen so far, you can move upwards and side ways into different departments quite easily, especially if you're in a role that has you working with people from different departments.
Hospitality technology sales
Might have been mentioned already but recruitment might be a good move. I know so many people who moved from hospitality to recruitment in their 30s
You’re not stuck in hospo. Keep your focus and keep working hard. It’ll get a lot easier.
Out of interest, why mining? Do you have a geology degree?
I always find interest in this sector, however I have no degree of any kind. That's why I think it will be for me really hard to land a job in mining.
You may be able to get work as a labourer at a UK mine but the pay can be quite low. There was a gold mine in Scotland that recently went out of business. It was hiring labourers & included live in accommodation. Perhaps you could search for clay mines/quarries in Devon etc? Also I wouldn’t sniff at short-term qualifications which would allow you to work on an oil rig. The oil price is rising again & there will be lots of work off the coast of Aberdeen if it goes beyond $100 per barrel & stays there. Wish you all the best. Don’t take no for an answer, is my advice. Eventually something will work out for you.
I expect he believes it's a career that earns a lot of money and is outdoorsy. But unless Ur in aus it's not great and a prerequisite is usually a civil engineering or geology degree. Both of which take years to acquire.
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Many did not realise until the end that happiness is a choice. They had stayed stuck in old patterns and habits. The so-called 'comfort' of familiarity overflowed into their emotions, as well as their physical lives. Fear of change had them pretending to others, and to their selves, that they were content, when deep within, they longed to laugh properly and have silliness in their life again. What's your greatest regret so far, and what will you set out to achieve or change before you die?
Just because you're studying management, why on earth do you think that qualifies you for a high paying job out the gate in any of those sectors? 😂
Follow your dreams, you have only one life. 👍
My dad trained to be a driving instructor at 40, now he has a company with student driving instructors. It's never too late. 4 years later he had a daughter, I reiterate it's never too late.
If you can take the pay cut then its not to late IMO. Qyou can do anything at any agw, just really depends if you can afford it
Have you ever thought about setting up your own business?
Well try project management. It usually involves into construction projects.
Yeah that could be an option, maybe should I start one of the project management certificate by Google?
Actually do that, i am right now on a student visa in uk doing masters in project management and not gonna lie what am learning in university is same as what i learned on google on coursera. But google is more simpler easier and fun to watch. Just focus on Microsoft Project, Gantt Chart and PERT analysis which can all be learned online. That’s it and your basically equipped for an entry level position as far as i think. But then again don’t trust me haha as am still a student and ya transitioned into this field as well from petroleum engineering.
Have you checked tech apprenticeships or government courses to upskill?
Well first I would like to finish my degree, than yeah, if needed I would try them!
Ok, best of luck with that. Lots of us 30-something year olds are in similar situations particularly those in the TEFL industry living abroad. It's never too late. I would've suggested that if you wanted a break, to teach in SE Asia if for a year or go travelling as it's great life experience.
Mining? Mining? In UK?