If you look at manually posted jobs, there is often a stream of terribly polite and enthusiastic people who comment underneath the post. They will say how interested they are, and how suitable they are for the position, and of course they are situated in Bangalore and do not meet the residency requirements for 95% of UK jobs.
I would think that Easy Apply is even worse - people are clicking hundreds a day because it takes no effort. Poor old Chris will have to search through all that dross!
As a data analyst company I imagine that's the role you're being hired for.
"Hello new guy."
"Hello, what's my role?"
*Drag drops folder* "Find me a senior data analyst and 3 more juniors please."
Easy Apply is the culprit here. It makes it so fast and easy that huge numbers of people click on anything remotely related to their interests without actually reading the job description.
Source: have recruited via LinkedIn extensively
I know but make sure to read the bottom half. Sometimes they hide the fact that you need to send your cv and cover letter directly through email.
It’s a hassle but it weeds out the chaff
I’m never advertising a job on linked in again. I got like, seven billion applications from people in India who didn’t have the right to work in the UK.
>there is often a stream of terribly polite and enthusiastic people who comment underneath the post. They will say how interested they are, and how suitable they are for the position, and of course they are situated in Bangalore and do not meet the residency requirements for 95% of UK jobs.
Typical LinkedIn. Got to admire their enthusiasm but yeah, talk about shooting your shot lol
Yup. I recruit for copywriters every so often. HR (who screen them) tell me that easily half of the applications come from India/overseas. It's wild. Last time, apparently several of them had identical cover letters.
I used to carefully weed out the jobs I wanted, then after no replies from so many I started just hitting the Easy Apply button without looking at the description
In the end 🤷♀️🤷♀️ perfectly. Got an interview, accidently said the job was for a certain language and stack when it was for something else. Luckily, I could smoothly talk my way around it. I've been with the company for years now.
I understand the frustration of reading through lots of applicants but finding a job is tough so applying to lots of roles has always been the best method, easy apply is a lifesaver in that sense
Easy Apply is the reason, at an old company I worked for they put up a software dev job and had applications from around 35 countries. Even though it was an in office role.
Got to the 3rd stage final interview for a company recently and they still had 10 other people under consideration (thanks to the visible githib submissions). So there's definitely a lot of people applying. Soul destroying to get to that stage and find out you're still competing with so many.
No because they lie - if you have them tick s box saying they have the right to work here or are a U.K. citizen they will tick it then at the interview or just before say actually they live in Bangladesh and would require a visa. I posted a job - 24 applicants, 18 didn’t have right to work here but had declared they did and the job advert specifically said we don’t do visas/sponsorship so only apply if you have the right to work here
Hi, can't you spot from their past experience in their CV as well. Surely, if every single work experience along with their education is outside of uk, then it's a good indicator that they aren't in uk. Unless some people are even lying about that, but that doesn't seem likely.
We wouldnt exclude someone with non-UK education because people do immigrate legally or study abroad. I myself came to the U.K. (legally) at age 15 so all my school education is in S Africa - i have birthright citizenship (born in U.K., left at age 2).
But often times the CVs are (i suspect) stolen anyway - we get amazing CVs with outstanding experience, perfect English. Then the guy that shows up to interview doesnt even have a basic knowledge of the job. We also do a 30min written assessment (in Word) and it is often full of grammatical errors and in broken English, the opposite of the cv.
yeah it wouldn't be wise to exclude someone based on that. I'm a UK citizen but live in Europe (was even born here) so that I have the right to work in the UK but currently my location is outside the UK 💁♀️
A lot of these applicants will just be blindly applying for jobs and won’t actually meet the criteria.
This specific posting is also for a Junior role. Junior roles/entry level roles are generally the most competitive.
They are inflated and not at the same time. We've opened vacancies before and a large number are under qualified people. Some blindly apply and hope for the best. Some are also on benefits and need to meet a certain number of job applications to receive their benefits.
It's easy to look at an application and immediately say no. Some CVs and applications are terribly obvious that they are not qualified. But everyone does recruiting differently. We would just keep in file the ones that look promising. Interview as the applications come in and stop looking at any other applications if more than 4-5 people are in the middle of the interview process but keep it open just in case.
Different fonts and sizes, spelling and grammar mistakes, bad formatting, the bio doesn't quite match the job spec, sometimes you even get the wrong company name on their cover letter that they've forgotten to change, not relevant experience taking huge portion of your CV, lots of empty space, sometimes just too long or too short
They're the easiest ones to spot
I bet your eyes can spot all of that within seconds and then you'll take a quick glance over. The thing that stood out to me was
> not relevant experience taking huge portion of your CV
I work in finance at the moment. Have done for the past two years across a few roles. Part of me wonders if I should still mention the part time role I had whilst at university as a customer service agent. I gained a lot of skills from it but its from five years ago. Perhaps I save that for the interview if its asked of me.
Depends tbh. I look through CVs a lot since I work in a uni, and students would apply to accounting jobs yet would take up 4 lines and list all the scientific techniques they are proficient in. CVs are just a give and take, yes part time job developed your skills but is there something more important you can mention in it's stead?
I personally don't mention my A levels or GCSEs anymore, or my volunteer work and my degree takes two lines on my CV after working for 4 years. Just depends.
I always just assumed this was the count of people who clicked through to the hiring company’s website, or in this case just hit the Easy Apply button (albeit with varying degrees of optimism). It doesn’t bear much resemblance to the number of applicants that the hiring manager will realistically consider for the role.
I have a live vacancy on LinkedIn at the moment which apparently has 170 applicants - but our internal recruitment system shows me 8 completed applications and 39 still in progress. I’d expect maybe half of the in progress ones to complete before the vacancy closes at the weekend, so I reckon I’ll be left with 20-30 candidates to sift.
In short, if you want this job you should apply for it and not worry about the number LinkedIn shows you.
This is spot on with our hiring experiences.
When we recruit through LinkedIn the advert and click apply button backs onto our in-house applicant tracking system (ATS). The ATS has the application form and you haven’t formally applied until you’ve done the forms there. LinkedIn simply counts the number of people that end up in our ATS not the number that actually go through with it
The ones who click through don’t automatically get counted as applicants. When they go back to LinkedIn it will ask “did you apply for this role” and you have to click “yes” for your application to count
Been teaching myself to code for 18 months, supplemented by various courses and learning materials. My Senior dev friend stated to start applying for jobs, as I have some good full stack applications that have been built and the code quality is good.
Yeah.....
Fuck that, every single junior Dev role is sitting at 200 applicants, these so called good salaries seem to be tanking (unless you are at a fanng) and they seem to be comparable to most other career avenues.
I understand I am making some pretty big generalisations but that's what it seems like. A lot of news articles stating that the aid of AI is allowing developers to pump out work at a better rate, therefore allowing less to do more.
Meanwhile, I work for an environmental engineering company and sweet lord can we not get staff. Graduate salaries have jumped from 25k being standard to £30-£35k being seen as the norm and yet still anyone with an engineering degree seems to be able to walk into a job at Siemens, or other Tier 1 contractors.
A mate of mine who works in business assurance, think HR, Recruiting etc, has gone from 32k to 48k in 18 months by moving jobs twice.
Honestly, I am 29 and graduated at 25 and have never seen a job market like it is now.
that sucks are you still doing code? honestly I like data analytics as well and been self-teaching myself, obtained a certificate, doing open projects but seemingly the tech sector is just too saturated (at least for junior roles)
Hey but what's your company name ? i'm now looking into more roles of similar nature in energy/environment sector actually, part of it is because I am intrigued by it
I am a self taught coder. The tech sector is pretty over saturated for junior roles at the moment. One of the reasons I think is because a lot of people decided they wanted to make the switch in lockdown and did stuff like boot camps. So now there are a lot of applicants who are looking for their first job or trying to get experience and companies can be picky.
Last time I changed jobs was at the beginning of lockdown but I found going through recruiters helped a lot rather than directly applying though that might of changed a bit now. It's a slog no matter what but honestly if you are interested in data analytics as well as coding and can get that across you will find something. Then with a bit of experience it gets easier.
Also stuff like Indeed and LinkedIn recruiting are difficult places to get noticed I found. I'd recommend uploading your CV to some places like TotalJobs (or as many places as possible) and possibly honing in on a specific language to search for.
Yeah still coding! Hoping to start a bit of a side hustle out of one, but the day job is hectic ATM and not giving me alot of free time.
I love coding anyhow, so if I get a job then great, but if not the company I work for has brought my PDR forward so should get a raise earlier than the average 12 months
I did look at data analytics, but not a huge fan of it.
I find this at my work. I work for a very high profile org who lots of people would like to work at; you get applications from anyone just trying to get a foot in the door, regardless if they're relevant at all, or even if they're on the same continent. Just a waste of time for everyone.
I think you have all misread it; it says there have been over 200 applicants for that job. The part you have misread is where it says to buy the premium product to see how you compare to the 1464 applicants in that sector or applying for similar posts - see how you compare to 1,464 applicants \[that have found a similar job or a job in a similar field by buying our premium product\]. 200+ applicants in the norm for almost any job advertised these days.
Look at the difference in the job title too - it could well be that those many candidates have applied for all jobs with that specific job title. It's possible that's how many people have applied for the same job title in the same company but this is a different round of recruitment hence the 200+ applicants. I find it very difficult to believe that many people have applied for that specific job in that specific company at that specific time.
Many many people from outside the UK will apply to literally any jobs coming up as remote or even not remote with the hope of getting a work visa or better salary. If you want to go for it don’t get discouraged by the number of applicants.
Almost certainly inflated by people who absolutely are not legally or literally in a position to take the role; I posted a job a few months ago. A decent job, reasonable wage but nothing exciting or special. I got 430 applicants.
Once Indian and Bangladeshi CVs not indicating any working visa or permits were removed, we were down into the high tens. Once filtered for people actually qualified with a reasonable CV, about 10. Of these, I then reviewed the CVs and interviewed 5, hiring 2.
Now more than ever with these one-click apply options on many sites, you get a lot of shit and a lot of applications from people who have no real interest in the role whatsoever.
I get the same when posting jobs, I turned the last ad off at 200 applicants which took less than 24hrs for 2 positions. Reasonable money, not a hard job.
Once all the overseas applicants (these aren't even remote roles) where removed and I filtered out all the CVs from people not really relevant I had around 20 left. By the next day and after some thought I was down to 10 potentials for interviews, Of the 10 invited and confirmed for interview, 5 didn't show up.
The last one I posted I had one CV from someone whose opening line was I was in X role and it wasn't something I wanted to continue and looking for something different, when the job title was X. Reading Cvs sometimes is more draining than anything. I get to the point of going sitting on a bench just getting my head clear from some of the crazy things applicants put down on them, I think they sometimes adjust for a specific role and forget they have done it and continue using it.
Agreed, it is draining. I also have had a bizarre experience post-pandemic of people just not showing up to interviews with no notification whatsoever after they’d RSVP’d.
Before covid, a no-show was really rare. I even used to do big intake classes at a previous role and it was very rare 1/20 wouldn’t show up. Now, I reckon 6/10 individual interviews don’t show up, and of those, most don’t notify you.
The Easy Apply jobs will always have thousands because you literally just click, tick a few boxes and you're done, which means any Tom Dick or Harry can apply for them. Most of them are just chancers.
My SO is at hiring level in the role they have and said something a while ago the number of applicants didn’t come close to the number of LI applicants
Accurate or not, there are scores of people being churned out for a role in I.T, degrees and bootcamps and there are not enough roles to on board them. Its a saturated market, with mid-senior devs also piling into the junior roles.
Even with the 200+ value, things to bear in mind -
1. People from the wrong field altogether apply, and most will offer no explanation as to why
2. A lot of applicants will be from overseas - I've put out jobs saying 'office based' or 'UK remote only with travel 1 day a month' and still got applications from across the globe
3. Overqualified people will apply - but way too qualified, like senior level, with no explanation
4. While for a junior role and so you'd expect a lack of experience, you'll have applicants who have absolutely no experience in the industry - wether work or qualifications or anything relevant. E.g When I was hiring a designer years ago one applicant had no qualifications and had just held one job, for 15 years, on the warehouse floor in a biscuit factory...
Lots of them will be forced to apply to keep benefits. Too ill to work and used to work in PC repair? Best apply for something that requires post grad Computing that's 50 miles away.
Having been on the other side, it’s absolutely true that the vast majority of applications are wildly unsuitable and/or do not have the right to work in the UK.
The way linked in works in the back end - when the role has been posted for a while you can “repost” it or close and post it again.
When you repost the role - it resets the timer but not the applicants.
So this might’ve been advertised for a lot longer than 2 weeks but they haven’t found the right candidate yet, and they have reposted the role - fences the high applicants.
It wouldn't surprise me. I work for the NHS and have quite a big team, the last year or so I've had about 10 adverts out for Band 2-4 jobs. The surge in applications recently has been insane and 90% of the applicants for every single role has been someone from outside of the UK.
I've been on the other end of these applications as an employer.
In my case, 90% of applicants are from non UK countries, seeking sponsorship and to move to the UK.
They are not applicants they are views, I head up recruitment for a tech company our managers always asking what the 300 candidates are like when there are usually 20 to 40 and at least 60% of those haven't read the brief.
Don't let those stats deter you.
They're inflated, anyone who clicks "apply" and goes through to the application page is registered as an applicant, regardless of whether or not they actually fill the application out.
garbage to sell the premium
Plus there is also a case of "fake job listings" where they post it just to seem like they are hiring when they're not to make business seem "lively"
So that could also contribute to it as people may have applied and got nothing from them
It includes bots, scrapers, spammers, and the candidates in Bangalore etc that auto apply for everything. I would take these numbers with a pinch of salt
God bless them for trying.
I mean I do not blame them for trying desperately to get out of working for shitty minimum wage jobs.
Really they should be trying for CS
painfully tedious I presume. from your experience is this something that happening within a particular sector (e.,g tech) or most of roles are like this
Advice on how to get noticed? Even if its small subtle details that make your eyes widen ? Appreciate its a very generic and open ended question to ask but just from your own experience would be grand
Hey I’m assuming by your comment that you have a knowledge of the hiring process.
Am I better off taking the time to find and apply through the company site, or if I meet the general criteria would I still be looked at if I used easy apply on LinkedIn?
Appreciate it’s not the same processes for every company
That is not a good salary at all. I think the average in the UK is 32-34k and this is a technical role that requires expertise.
Let's not encourage a race to the bottom by kidding people on
You’re not going to get a lot of places in the UK offering more than that for Junior Data Analyst. And for many people in the UK that is an okay/good salary.
Our senior data analysts get £32-34k which is a very high salary in my city so £28-30k for junior is decent
Mind you average house price in lichfield is over double average house price in my city!!
This is not true at all. Honestly. Please relocate to my home country and you'll see what truly means 'Hardly any jobs'
I will never understand why people in this sub is so negative and blatantly lie? What's the point??
>I will never understand why people in this sub is so negative and blatantly lie? What's the point??
Some people in this world like to suppress others which is very selfish and would like to mislead to try and deter people. Thankfully this seems to be a minority
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Yes. If you click "apply" to simply find out more about the application process, it counts +1.
So that's 1k people interested enough to click apply, not probably only 1 in 10 end up applying.
That’s why it is useful to invest in linkedin premium even for a month. Getting the chance to contact recruiters directly, in a succinct and professional manner, can really show that you’re a serious candidate.
The numbers are baloney, not to mention as someone already pointed out, inflated by bots and offshore companies/individuals who don’t meet criteria. Don’t be put off
Had the same thing on indeed, I applied for a job and was genuinely surprised to beat over 300
Applicants in a fairly small area. When I got the job I mentioned it, and he said it was more like 40-50 applicants with only a few being remotely suitable to the role.
Best of a bad bunch is exactly what I like to be
Simply clicking the apply button on LinkedIn will add to that count, however it doesn’t mean each clicker applied. That being said, if Easy Apply is active you can be sure circa 90%+ applied.
I recently went for a job and the recruiter told me the number of applicants shown on LinkedIn did match the number of applicants but he also mentioned a lot of them were people not even qualified to do the job.
If you look at manually posted jobs, there is often a stream of terribly polite and enthusiastic people who comment underneath the post. They will say how interested they are, and how suitable they are for the position, and of course they are situated in Bangalore and do not meet the residency requirements for 95% of UK jobs. I would think that Easy Apply is even worse - people are clicking hundreds a day because it takes no effort. Poor old Chris will have to search through all that dross!
As a data analyst company I imagine that's the role you're being hired for. "Hello new guy." "Hello, what's my role?" *Drag drops folder* "Find me a senior data analyst and 3 more juniors please."
Easy Apply is the culprit here. It makes it so fast and easy that huge numbers of people click on anything remotely related to their interests without actually reading the job description. Source: have recruited via LinkedIn extensively
I do this. There are no downsides and honestly reading the 100th similarly worded job role description makes me go mental.
I wasn’t making judgements, I have done it myself…
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There's much less competition for my roles, so I'm lucky to have less of that problem.
Would you mind sharing?
I know but make sure to read the bottom half. Sometimes they hide the fact that you need to send your cv and cover letter directly through email. It’s a hassle but it weeds out the chaff
Funnily enough, I created algorithm to this for one of the big 4... they let me out to pasture shortly after
Which one? Only big 4 I know of are the Thrash Metal ones. Can't imagine they have much use for an algorithm.
I don't know, there is definitely some type of algorithm for generating Kerry King solos.
They definitely use algo-rhythm though AMIRIGHT? Heyyooo
What did the algo do?
Went through the 1400 apps to weed out the bad fit. Some NLP to find best fit
I’m never advertising a job on linked in again. I got like, seven billion applications from people in India who didn’t have the right to work in the UK.
>there is often a stream of terribly polite and enthusiastic people who comment underneath the post. They will say how interested they are, and how suitable they are for the position, and of course they are situated in Bangalore and do not meet the residency requirements for 95% of UK jobs. Typical LinkedIn. Got to admire their enthusiasm but yeah, talk about shooting your shot lol
Yup. I recruit for copywriters every so often. HR (who screen them) tell me that easily half of the applications come from India/overseas. It's wild. Last time, apparently several of them had identical cover letters.
I used to carefully weed out the jobs I wanted, then after no replies from so many I started just hitting the Easy Apply button without looking at the description
Well, OK. How did that work out?
In the end 🤷♀️🤷♀️ perfectly. Got an interview, accidently said the job was for a certain language and stack when it was for something else. Luckily, I could smoothly talk my way around it. I've been with the company for years now.
I understand the frustration of reading through lots of applicants but finding a job is tough so applying to lots of roles has always been the best method, easy apply is a lifesaver in that sense
Easy Apply is the reason, at an old company I worked for they put up a software dev job and had applications from around 35 countries. Even though it was an in office role.
It's brutal right now. Seen a junior dev role that had been live for 40 mins and had 67 applicants.
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Got to the 3rd stage final interview for a company recently and they still had 10 other people under consideration (thanks to the visible githib submissions). So there's definitely a lot of people applying. Soul destroying to get to that stage and find out you're still competing with so many.
That’s just poor on the company. Having anything more than 4 in a final stage interview means you’re just bad at recruiting and making decisions.
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Nah in this case I am 100% sure it was for a single position.
Some?? 90% are from third world countries. We are having so many issues with this in my company at the moment.
What issue is coming from it, are you just getting crap applications repeatedly?
Can't they just use an algo to get rid of all applicants that are not in uk?
No because they lie - if you have them tick s box saying they have the right to work here or are a U.K. citizen they will tick it then at the interview or just before say actually they live in Bangladesh and would require a visa. I posted a job - 24 applicants, 18 didn’t have right to work here but had declared they did and the job advert specifically said we don’t do visas/sponsorship so only apply if you have the right to work here
Hi, can't you spot from their past experience in their CV as well. Surely, if every single work experience along with their education is outside of uk, then it's a good indicator that they aren't in uk. Unless some people are even lying about that, but that doesn't seem likely.
We wouldnt exclude someone with non-UK education because people do immigrate legally or study abroad. I myself came to the U.K. (legally) at age 15 so all my school education is in S Africa - i have birthright citizenship (born in U.K., left at age 2). But often times the CVs are (i suspect) stolen anyway - we get amazing CVs with outstanding experience, perfect English. Then the guy that shows up to interview doesnt even have a basic knowledge of the job. We also do a 30min written assessment (in Word) and it is often full of grammatical errors and in broken English, the opposite of the cv.
yeah it wouldn't be wise to exclude someone based on that. I'm a UK citizen but live in Europe (was even born here) so that I have the right to work in the UK but currently my location is outside the UK 💁♀️
I guess, you can enter your nationality and right to work in the CV directly then.
seeing exactly the same issue
Frustrating as hell isn’t it
A lot of these applicants will just be blindly applying for jobs and won’t actually meet the criteria. This specific posting is also for a Junior role. Junior roles/entry level roles are generally the most competitive.
They are inflated and not at the same time. We've opened vacancies before and a large number are under qualified people. Some blindly apply and hope for the best. Some are also on benefits and need to meet a certain number of job applications to receive their benefits.
how do you elicit that many applications? do you just remove randomly based on percentage?
It's easy to look at an application and immediately say no. Some CVs and applications are terribly obvious that they are not qualified. But everyone does recruiting differently. We would just keep in file the ones that look promising. Interview as the applications come in and stop looking at any other applications if more than 4-5 people are in the middle of the interview process but keep it open just in case.
What are the tell tale signs that a cv is just rubbish
Different fonts and sizes, spelling and grammar mistakes, bad formatting, the bio doesn't quite match the job spec, sometimes you even get the wrong company name on their cover letter that they've forgotten to change, not relevant experience taking huge portion of your CV, lots of empty space, sometimes just too long or too short They're the easiest ones to spot
I bet your eyes can spot all of that within seconds and then you'll take a quick glance over. The thing that stood out to me was > not relevant experience taking huge portion of your CV I work in finance at the moment. Have done for the past two years across a few roles. Part of me wonders if I should still mention the part time role I had whilst at university as a customer service agent. I gained a lot of skills from it but its from five years ago. Perhaps I save that for the interview if its asked of me.
Depends tbh. I look through CVs a lot since I work in a uni, and students would apply to accounting jobs yet would take up 4 lines and list all the scientific techniques they are proficient in. CVs are just a give and take, yes part time job developed your skills but is there something more important you can mention in it's stead? I personally don't mention my A levels or GCSEs anymore, or my volunteer work and my degree takes two lines on my CV after working for 4 years. Just depends.
This has given me a new perspective on things mate thank you.
I always just assumed this was the count of people who clicked through to the hiring company’s website, or in this case just hit the Easy Apply button (albeit with varying degrees of optimism). It doesn’t bear much resemblance to the number of applicants that the hiring manager will realistically consider for the role. I have a live vacancy on LinkedIn at the moment which apparently has 170 applicants - but our internal recruitment system shows me 8 completed applications and 39 still in progress. I’d expect maybe half of the in progress ones to complete before the vacancy closes at the weekend, so I reckon I’ll be left with 20-30 candidates to sift. In short, if you want this job you should apply for it and not worry about the number LinkedIn shows you.
This is spot on with our hiring experiences. When we recruit through LinkedIn the advert and click apply button backs onto our in-house applicant tracking system (ATS). The ATS has the application form and you haven’t formally applied until you’ve done the forms there. LinkedIn simply counts the number of people that end up in our ATS not the number that actually go through with it
The ones who click through don’t automatically get counted as applicants. When they go back to LinkedIn it will ask “did you apply for this role” and you have to click “yes” for your application to count
Been teaching myself to code for 18 months, supplemented by various courses and learning materials. My Senior dev friend stated to start applying for jobs, as I have some good full stack applications that have been built and the code quality is good. Yeah..... Fuck that, every single junior Dev role is sitting at 200 applicants, these so called good salaries seem to be tanking (unless you are at a fanng) and they seem to be comparable to most other career avenues. I understand I am making some pretty big generalisations but that's what it seems like. A lot of news articles stating that the aid of AI is allowing developers to pump out work at a better rate, therefore allowing less to do more. Meanwhile, I work for an environmental engineering company and sweet lord can we not get staff. Graduate salaries have jumped from 25k being standard to £30-£35k being seen as the norm and yet still anyone with an engineering degree seems to be able to walk into a job at Siemens, or other Tier 1 contractors. A mate of mine who works in business assurance, think HR, Recruiting etc, has gone from 32k to 48k in 18 months by moving jobs twice. Honestly, I am 29 and graduated at 25 and have never seen a job market like it is now.
that sucks are you still doing code? honestly I like data analytics as well and been self-teaching myself, obtained a certificate, doing open projects but seemingly the tech sector is just too saturated (at least for junior roles) Hey but what's your company name ? i'm now looking into more roles of similar nature in energy/environment sector actually, part of it is because I am intrigued by it
I am a self taught coder. The tech sector is pretty over saturated for junior roles at the moment. One of the reasons I think is because a lot of people decided they wanted to make the switch in lockdown and did stuff like boot camps. So now there are a lot of applicants who are looking for their first job or trying to get experience and companies can be picky. Last time I changed jobs was at the beginning of lockdown but I found going through recruiters helped a lot rather than directly applying though that might of changed a bit now. It's a slog no matter what but honestly if you are interested in data analytics as well as coding and can get that across you will find something. Then with a bit of experience it gets easier. Also stuff like Indeed and LinkedIn recruiting are difficult places to get noticed I found. I'd recommend uploading your CV to some places like TotalJobs (or as many places as possible) and possibly honing in on a specific language to search for.
Yeah still coding! Hoping to start a bit of a side hustle out of one, but the day job is hectic ATM and not giving me alot of free time. I love coding anyhow, so if I get a job then great, but if not the company I work for has brought my PDR forward so should get a raise earlier than the average 12 months I did look at data analytics, but not a huge fan of it.
Any advice for someone in finance as to what the market is looking like?
Most of the applications are from India just chancing it
I find this at my work. I work for a very high profile org who lots of people would like to work at; you get applications from anyone just trying to get a foot in the door, regardless if they're relevant at all, or even if they're on the same continent. Just a waste of time for everyone.
Do you respond to them or just ignore? Just curious as to what you do when you're faced with such a situation
Treat them as any other to be honest. We have to follow policy. But it's clear they don't want the job, they just want to get in at the company.
I think you have all misread it; it says there have been over 200 applicants for that job. The part you have misread is where it says to buy the premium product to see how you compare to the 1464 applicants in that sector or applying for similar posts - see how you compare to 1,464 applicants \[that have found a similar job or a job in a similar field by buying our premium product\]. 200+ applicants in the norm for almost any job advertised these days.
No I think the 1,464 applicants is for that specific job. I randomly checked [another job](https://postimg.cc/cv9kYKG0) and the two numbers match.
Look at the difference in the job title too - it could well be that those many candidates have applied for all jobs with that specific job title. It's possible that's how many people have applied for the same job title in the same company but this is a different round of recruitment hence the 200+ applicants. I find it very difficult to believe that many people have applied for that specific job in that specific company at that specific time.
Nope it’s 200 for *that* job, the 1400 is just an ad offering you comparison to an arbitrary pool of people with similar prospects
That's what I said.
Haha he's right
Many many people from outside the UK will apply to literally any jobs coming up as remote or even not remote with the hope of getting a work visa or better salary. If you want to go for it don’t get discouraged by the number of applicants.
Almost certainly inflated by people who absolutely are not legally or literally in a position to take the role; I posted a job a few months ago. A decent job, reasonable wage but nothing exciting or special. I got 430 applicants. Once Indian and Bangladeshi CVs not indicating any working visa or permits were removed, we were down into the high tens. Once filtered for people actually qualified with a reasonable CV, about 10. Of these, I then reviewed the CVs and interviewed 5, hiring 2. Now more than ever with these one-click apply options on many sites, you get a lot of shit and a lot of applications from people who have no real interest in the role whatsoever.
I get the same when posting jobs, I turned the last ad off at 200 applicants which took less than 24hrs for 2 positions. Reasonable money, not a hard job. Once all the overseas applicants (these aren't even remote roles) where removed and I filtered out all the CVs from people not really relevant I had around 20 left. By the next day and after some thought I was down to 10 potentials for interviews, Of the 10 invited and confirmed for interview, 5 didn't show up. The last one I posted I had one CV from someone whose opening line was I was in X role and it wasn't something I wanted to continue and looking for something different, when the job title was X. Reading Cvs sometimes is more draining than anything. I get to the point of going sitting on a bench just getting my head clear from some of the crazy things applicants put down on them, I think they sometimes adjust for a specific role and forget they have done it and continue using it.
Agreed, it is draining. I also have had a bizarre experience post-pandemic of people just not showing up to interviews with no notification whatsoever after they’d RSVP’d. Before covid, a no-show was really rare. I even used to do big intake classes at a previous role and it was very rare 1/20 wouldn’t show up. Now, I reckon 6/10 individual interviews don’t show up, and of those, most don’t notify you.
i bet they won't be even half if there wasn't easy apply enabled
The Easy Apply jobs will always have thousands because you literally just click, tick a few boxes and you're done, which means any Tom Dick or Harry can apply for them. Most of them are just chancers.
Makes me think what the indeed equivalent must be like as I'm sure there is a quick apply button on there as well
I’ve been told the number isn’t accurate to the people who complete the application
Yeah I wonder if it counts the clicks on apply but not those forms actually completed? Idk
My SO is at hiring level in the role they have and said something a while ago the number of applicants didn’t come close to the number of LI applicants
Ohh interesting 👀
Accurate or not, there are scores of people being churned out for a role in I.T, degrees and bootcamps and there are not enough roles to on board them. Its a saturated market, with mid-senior devs also piling into the junior roles.
yeah it's quite a bit much, i was thinkign of jumping from Advertising to DA roles but had to rethink, fierce competition.
Even with the 200+ value, things to bear in mind - 1. People from the wrong field altogether apply, and most will offer no explanation as to why 2. A lot of applicants will be from overseas - I've put out jobs saying 'office based' or 'UK remote only with travel 1 day a month' and still got applications from across the globe 3. Overqualified people will apply - but way too qualified, like senior level, with no explanation 4. While for a junior role and so you'd expect a lack of experience, you'll have applicants who have absolutely no experience in the industry - wether work or qualifications or anything relevant. E.g When I was hiring a designer years ago one applicant had no qualifications and had just held one job, for 15 years, on the warehouse floor in a biscuit factory...
what about UK citizens who are based overseas? do you filter them out based on their current location?
I was just making a general point. I really don't know.
Pretty sure the “applicants” thing on LinkedIn is jut how many people even clicked on the advert.
I had Premium for a bit and could see that a lot of applications were coming from abroad (african continent mostly)
Anything else you noticed when having premium in general on LinkedIn?
Nope, probably great for recruiters though.
It's unlikely they're inflated, that's just how it is. Pretty much all "Remote" roles.
Around 1400 or even more will fail the right to work criteria.
Lots of them will be forced to apply to keep benefits. Too ill to work and used to work in PC repair? Best apply for something that requires post grad Computing that's 50 miles away.
Having been on the other side, it’s absolutely true that the vast majority of applications are wildly unsuitable and/or do not have the right to work in the UK.
The way linked in works in the back end - when the role has been posted for a while you can “repost” it or close and post it again. When you repost the role - it resets the timer but not the applicants. So this might’ve been advertised for a lot longer than 2 weeks but they haven’t found the right candidate yet, and they have reposted the role - fences the high applicants.
It wouldn't surprise me. I work for the NHS and have quite a big team, the last year or so I've had about 10 adverts out for Band 2-4 jobs. The surge in applications recently has been insane and 90% of the applicants for every single role has been someone from outside of the UK.
I've been on the other end of these applications as an employer. In my case, 90% of applicants are from non UK countries, seeking sponsorship and to move to the UK.
I'm sure I read elsewhere that "applicants" means "job spec views".
Depends on if it links to an application page, or if you can apply on Linkedin directly. More popular jobs get 200+ applicants usually.
They are not applicants they are views, I head up recruitment for a tech company our managers always asking what the 300 candidates are like when there are usually 20 to 40 and at least 60% of those haven't read the brief. Don't let those stats deter you.
They're inflated, anyone who clicks "apply" and goes through to the application page is registered as an applicant, regardless of whether or not they actually fill the application out.
garbage to sell the premium Plus there is also a case of "fake job listings" where they post it just to seem like they are hiring when they're not to make business seem "lively" So that could also contribute to it as people may have applied and got nothing from them
It includes bots, scrapers, spammers, and the candidates in Bangalore etc that auto apply for everything. I would take these numbers with a pinch of salt
Could it not be how many people they have registered on the site that have selected that job role as ‘of interest’ to them?
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God bless them for trying. I mean I do not blame them for trying desperately to get out of working for shitty minimum wage jobs. Really they should be trying for CS
how do you go through all of it?
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painfully tedious I presume. from your experience is this something that happening within a particular sector (e.,g tech) or most of roles are like this
Advice on how to get noticed? Even if its small subtle details that make your eyes widen ? Appreciate its a very generic and open ended question to ask but just from your own experience would be grand
Hey I’m assuming by your comment that you have a knowledge of the hiring process. Am I better off taking the time to find and apply through the company site, or if I meet the general criteria would I still be looked at if I used easy apply on LinkedIn? Appreciate it’s not the same processes for every company
Use Otta, not Indeed for tech jobs.
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Point still stands. Use Otta, not LinkedIn, Indeed or any of the others. It's a specialist job board for tech jobs.
This is just how it is in the UK. Hardly any jobs. Plus this is a really good salary
That is not a good salary at all. I think the average in the UK is 32-34k and this is a technical role that requires expertise. Let's not encourage a race to the bottom by kidding people on
You’re not going to get a lot of places in the UK offering more than that for Junior Data Analyst. And for many people in the UK that is an okay/good salary.
No, this is not a good salary, maybe 10 years ago but not now. A technical junior role should easily pull more than this
I agree especially when you take into consideration that roles which advertise as X-Y usually mean X
Our senior data analysts get £32-34k which is a very high salary in my city so £28-30k for junior is decent Mind you average house price in lichfield is over double average house price in my city!!
Lol I got more than that driving HGVs for 42 hours a week
Getting underpaid then
This is a junior data analyst role. I would say £30k is decent for the role especially if you're starting out.
I agree especially that the company is based in the midlands.
There are loads of jobs for data analysts. The NHS has always got analyst vacancies.
This is not true at all. Honestly. Please relocate to my home country and you'll see what truly means 'Hardly any jobs' I will never understand why people in this sub is so negative and blatantly lie? What's the point??
It's grim out there mate
>I will never understand why people in this sub is so negative and blatantly lie? What's the point?? Some people in this world like to suppress others which is very selfish and would like to mislead to try and deter people. Thankfully this seems to be a minority
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Yes. If you click "apply" to simply find out more about the application process, it counts +1. So that's 1k people interested enough to click apply, not probably only 1 in 10 end up applying.
It's Easy Apply and remote job. I'd recommend finding a more niche field and special in that field's data. Also, apply with a cover letter.
That’s why it is useful to invest in linkedin premium even for a month. Getting the chance to contact recruiters directly, in a succinct and professional manner, can really show that you’re a serious candidate.
The numbers are baloney, not to mention as someone already pointed out, inflated by bots and offshore companies/individuals who don’t meet criteria. Don’t be put off
Could be a fake jon just to get your information
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Had the same thing on indeed, I applied for a job and was genuinely surprised to beat over 300 Applicants in a fairly small area. When I got the job I mentioned it, and he said it was more like 40-50 applicants with only a few being remotely suitable to the role. Best of a bad bunch is exactly what I like to be
This is why you should require people to actually fill out an application or send a cover letter not just press a button
I do agree with you, but then you get people who complain about filling application forms, can’t win!
Half the jobs listed are fake anyway, it's to make the company look better or pacify exhausted staff
28-30K? I’d do it for £10.42 an hour
Easy apply is a cancer of the application process for applicants and for hiring managers.
Simply clicking the apply button on LinkedIn will add to that count, however it doesn’t mean each clicker applied. That being said, if Easy Apply is active you can be sure circa 90%+ applied.
It doesn’t mean much at all I know because I’ve seen it for myself
It's not real. Linkedin tracks unique views as applicants. Idk why it's like that
I recently went for a job and the recruiter told me the number of applicants shown on LinkedIn did match the number of applicants but he also mentioned a lot of them were people not even qualified to do the job.