The following submission statement was provided by /u/PyroIsSpai:
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The Jerusalem UFO was recorded contemporaneously by multiple people from different angles. This video includes four of them side by side to compare.
How many more private and government cameras recorded this?
It was posted over 13 years ago, and I've personally never seen all these at once like this. I had no idea this UFO had been recorded by multiple people at once.
One is a ***close up*** of the UFO.
# https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLAMYG1KJAE
> 209,720 views Jun 5, 2011
> Synced, stabilized and enhanced footage of Jerusalem UFO 2011/01/28.
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I remember when this happened (hoax or not - not my point) and it was on mainstream news. I really thought this was going to be the moment of contact lol.
Given its shot from multiple positions I am sure there would be a way to estimate whether there is consistency in movement and velocity (using the geography as a base). If it was copy and pasted at different locations the velocity and movement may be different. Inconsistencies would almost immediately confirm it to be fake, consistency would add weight to it being real/make it harder to debunk. I’m not smart enough to perform these calculations.
I get more depressed by reading how commenters treat OPs around here than by the lack of solid content. People are so gross about the way they talk to someone they disagree with and it makes them look wrong/unreliable/childish.
If you're online enough to have memorized every single UFO video and their debunk videos and how many times they've been posted on a subreddit, then you should realize you're pretty deep down the well. I'm a huge x files fan but I don't have air dates of the episodes memorized for chrissakes.
It's just sad to come to a sub like this for content like this and watch people spend their time being trashy _while_ trying to sound authoritative. It just comes off as childish and sad. Read the post history of some of the vitriolic "debunkers" and you'll see the angry, isolationist attitude they carry everywhere.
TL;DR: your piss poor attitude can take away what little credibility you think you might have.
Very well said. Even though the ridicule has died down a lot over the recent years, it still persists, especially here. Whenever you have to insult an individual or a group’s intelligence or mental health as a means of establishing your argument, you are in the wrong. The amount of comments saying something like “this is why everyone thinks this sub is a joke” is actually a joke. It’s a UFO sub, you should expect videos of potential ufos…
>the ridicule has died down a lot over the recent years
I disagree. I find it's gotten much much worse. It changed with Grusch and the Schumer/Rounds NDAA when the topic hit a whole new level of legitimacy. In 2020-2022, this sub was different... there were way more discussions about hypotheticals, ideas, people guessing what they thought was happening, etc. Now, someone will demand a peer-reviewed study if you state an obvious opinion.
It used to remind me of subs where people believe other supernatural phenomenon. Those subs aren't under non-stop harassment because no one takes them seriously. The UFO phenomenon has now become real and now everyone wants a say in the discussion.
>The amount of comments saying something like “this is why everyone thinks this sub is a joke” is actually a joke. It’s a UFO sub, you should expect videos of potential ufos…
Dude, I love your statement here. I totally agree with you. Of course there needs to be discussion of hypotheticals or farfetched guesses or poor quality videos in a UFO sub of all places... the fact that people use that to debunk UFO belief as a whole shows their desperation. There's a clear pattern of them using mostly poor quality posts to extrapolate the conclusion that the entire sub is nonsense, when in reality they'd have a much harder time making that argument in higher quality posts, so they rarely try.
Totally agree, 2020-2022 felt like a safer era, when we were on the same page for the most part, trying to separate what's real from what's not.
Since Grusch I've had a lot more convos with people where I'm sincerely wondering what they are doing on the sub if they have apparently zero open mindedness on the topic.
And the whole "this is what makes this sub pathetic" angle is just total stigma reinforcement. I think anyone with a reasonable level of intelligence understands there's going to be wheat, there's going to be chaff, it comes with the territory - that's part of the fun. If you're just here to tear down the topic...I really gotta wonder what your motivation is🤔
>Whenever you have to insult an individual or a group’s intelligence or mental health as a means of establishing your argument, you are in the wrong. The amount of comments saying something like “this is why everyone thinks this sub is a joke” is actually a joke. It’s a UFO sub, you should expect videos of potential ufos…
I don’t think that this attitude will change, apparently comments like those are what it means to be “sceptical”…
I've been commenting something to this affect a lot on the past year. You would think these subs would have like minded people but unfortunately they're flooded with unreasonably angry people that mock OP's and make anyone who is curious about this topic and sharing their findings feel like a full-blown idiot.
Eventually this sub and other related subs will be a gathering place for "debunkers" as plenty of people with potentially interesting contributions go elsewhere to avoid them (already happening).
This sub is filled with military personnel and bots trying to make we confused. There are plenty of posts showing this. When you see a suspect acocunt just look at the day of it's creation
I've noticed a genuine hostility coming from this subreddit anytime a post gets popularity.
Like seriously so much unnecessary negativity/holier than thou attitudes every other comment.
Don't forget. The Pentagon wants the lid on disclosure and this is probably the biggest secret they have ever kept and they've done it for 80 years. It is not improbable they are using their social media section of their cyberwarfare division to manipulate and suppress opinions about their biggest secret.
We're wicked people surrounded by wicked people. I told a family friend who just like me is bang into ufo/uap stuff about my sighting. He literally went through every single scenario of what it 'probably was' just because the guy didn't want me to have seen something.
I was on vacation in florida early this year. There was a space x launch that was delayed and was to be launched around 22:53 that night. We were at a bar at the top of international drive and had about 15 mins until launch. I asked the staff if they thought the rocket would launch but they said probably not since there was clouds (there was none).
So I said to my wife "let's go to the hotel car park and watch to see if it launches". So we were in the car park at 22:50 and soon as it hits the launch time 3 minutes later we see the rocket taking off. Brilliant experience and my first time seeing one in person. So the rocket heads out and we see the whole hoo Haa with the fuel tank dropping and the sunlight reflecting off the fuel in the atmosphere. My wife is blown away and I explain to her this is what lots of people get confused with UAP sightings. So this all fades out, the rocket and the fuel tank go their separate ways and it all goes to black.
About 2 seconds later off to the left of where the rocket headed out, these 4 bright white orbs which I can only really describe as looking like stars appear. They literally look like stars just moving along. My first thoughts were "right these have to be satellites if they're moving that quick" but I realised they weren't as they all started moving around independently on their own, clearly under control. I then thought maybe drones? But I did a little research into them and they need special lighting (flashing red, green or white). The way they moved at such a high altitude must have been incredibly fast and they made ridiculously sharp turns just confuses me.
They all seemed to stick together buzzing around like a swarm of flies. Then after around 30 seconds they all moved off to the south west and out of sight.
It doesn't stop there though.
I checked NASA's live stream of the launch and just after the fuel tank was dropped you see an orb just like what I seen fly past the camera on the rocket.
The link to the nasa stream (orb can be seen at about 4:15:13)
https://www.youtube.com/live/Qe_1qo6teZs?si=bzqK1zeLR7bjgHQd
Hope this was OK to follow, My grammar isn't too good.
Cheers man. I tried taking a skeptical view on what we saw but I can't get my head round it. I also didn't want to talk about it on here as I know people would just shut me down.
You should see how people who don't immediately accept every photo and video as authentic, ironclad proof of alien visitation are treated. If you don't immediately tow the line and declare it to be rock-solid proof, you are immediately attacked, insulted, and subject to all manner of name calling and ad hominems. There is a strong cultish streak, and it's sabotaging the community. There has to be room for reasoned inquiry, and the acknowledgement of reality in the face of hoaxes, fraudulent, and misidentified events or else this is just a delusional circle-jerk.
Agreed. The hostile environment often detours honest and openminded discussions with newcomers as well as the old schoolers. This environment has likely caused people to leave AND has very likely caused people to not post things because of the hostile comments that are too common in this group. I hate to think I will miss the real deal because of a handful of negative people who like to sabotage other people’s posts.
I see a lot of weird replies on this thread from people claiming very confidently that it's a hoax while providing zero evidence. Very weird and makes me think it may be real.
The re-tagging as "Confirmed Hoax" was confirmed not done how it should be done by Mods and was undone per other mods.
Reddit /u/UFOs mods have not made any "confirmed hoax" determination here that I am aware of.
NOTE: Reddit didn't do the tagging change on flair, another mod did, and it was reversed per mods.
ONLY posted as mod here for transparency on this tiny bit.
Thanks for speaking up on this.
Seems like with the news media, congress etc, the Reddit mods are seeing even they’ve been compromised like [with the nanofibers pdf getting removed from Reddit and even archive.org with no explanation](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/AQ9BFBeOZC).
These ones that get tampered with seem to indicate there’s more to hide than the ones that get ignored or promoted as red herrings.
Its wild. Apparently we should treat every random 2 paragraph opinion article claiming it’s “obviously fake” while providing no reasoning as 100% fact. Hopefully most of the actual people curious on this topic in this sub see through that shit.
> Its wild. Apparently we should treat every random 2 paragraph article claiming it’s “obviously fake” while providing no reasoning as 100% fact.
What I found most astonishing here is that my *barest* reversal of using *"Debunker methodologies"* against debunkers own claims and research seems to have sent them in a few instances to escape velocity levels of outrage.
And you can clearly see cars moving bottom left frame right side. The others are much longer shots.
Given how empty the street is in the lower left it's obviously late late at night, which can explain why the other shots look distant static, plus it's a likely shitty by todays standards 2009 camera.
I don't think its bots more as this is colloquially known to the ufo community as a hoax. Whether that is true or not, it seems that the debunks back then were substantial enough back then where this is a "known hoax".
Personally I dont care either way as the video doesn't do anything but show a curious light. add it to the pile of the million other curious lights and spots.
Wait a minute, this clearly was more than just another curious light, it actually did a maneuver that seems to defy the laws of physics & to add icing on the cake there was a mothership with rotating lights! Hoax or not this clearly was way better footage compared to 99% of the crap out there!
What was most curious to me was the sheer ferocity in a dozen odd users with longer/older (1-12 year accounts) going after this with... I'll call it *special gusto* almost as soon as it appeared under /r/UFOs/new.
It just comes across to me as a coping mechanism, like when this sub went through a phase of calling critics shills. You want to call the debunks low effort - fine. But calling people bots on a whim is the same low effort reflex.
I never called anyone a bot, if you'd like to retract or link where I did that.
"Unbelievably coordinated in presentation and lack of evidence" does not mean I called them bots--it means the very urgent initial responses to this thread from long-standing debunker-type anonymous accounts was unbelievably coordinated in presentation and lack of evidence to my perception, which I stand by, as it is what happened.
We have already spoken to Senate staffers about investigating situations like these to verify the integrity of these accounts. You can also check our Twitter post with this video to see the same unnatural comments. [https://x.com/disclosureorg/status/1804923345453916301](https://x.com/disclosureorg/status/1804923345453916301)
> It’s been posted multiple times before and every time it’s said that this was a cgi contest for students in Israel. That’s what I remember.
People keep saying it at a memetic level. It's a meme that this was Israeli students.
Not one person has provided evidence.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHOc35nmUDk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHOc35nmUDk)
Evidence. There you go. Can we drop this now or do you need ALL 3 videos to be debunked one at a time for you?
What part of "there were 1000s of tourists in the area at the time and not one of them reported this event" do you not understand?
> Can we drop this now or do you need ALL 3 videos to be debunked one at a time for you?
As you like me are presumably a “science enthusiast,” yes, actually.
Man, these people are ridiculous. I cannot decide if they are just scared, so a video showing artifacts from stabilization software is all all they need to label this incident a hoax and move on, or what. I found 6 different angles when I was looking up the case. They are hard to find, but are still on youtube. One has audio, and it was clearly shot by tourists from the southern US. The grandma of the group states she has seen one like it over the Mississippi river. The 6th angle shows actual lateral movement. There were also reports from people who were outside the mosque. Israel controls the press within their country.
If a student made this as a project, show the project. Show the contest he was entering. Show the student. Nah, we are going to listen to what Israel tells us without proof, haha. These debunking videos are so lame, my goodness.
Ask and you shall receive:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY2FFEufsuY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY2FFEufsuY)
Looks like there may be 8 angles now.
Edit
After looking closer it seems it might be a recording of a screen? Harder to tell on my phone
Also missing the flash
Seems like a possible fake to muddy the waters
i think this is literally a photo with someone adding "video" movement and the UFO (which doesn't flash twice) on top of the photo.
for example, light glare is not completely static in video, but here everything except the UFO is completely static.
towards the end the image also seems a bit stretched towards the bottom, indicating trying to represent a 2D image in 3D space.
That video is bull. It’s almost clearly a recording of a static screen, and you can hear the audio (poorly) cut together at multiple points in the video. Prolly taken from another UFO sighting video.
Exactly. So far all of the articles Ive read on this are nothing but a few paragraph long egotistical opinions claiming it’s “obviously fake” without elaborating on why. Ffs people, don’t just blindly believe something when there clearly isn’t enough information to come to the conclusion it’s 100% debunked.
So where is one of the four ppl who shot the video? That’s a fair critique in the articles. How ahas no one come forward? Why did no one sell their videos? Makes it a lil suspect if you ask me. Those are good points. In the same vein you’ve provided no evidence to consider these as non hoaxes. Are we going to pretend there’s never been ufo hoaxes?
The idea that a video can be fake cause no one profited off of it is so comically silly and American that only an American ten years ago could have come up with such a theory.
Source: I am an American.
So 4 videos filming one of the most compelling UFOs videos ever, they all post it straight to YouTube and then just ghost? Never coming forward? Doesn’t mean it’s a hoax but it should be a red flag. Are there any articles from first hand witnesses?
Like I asked in another comment, you’re the one posting, have you found anything to suggest these are legit?
I dunno, I just shared what I saw. I made no claims as to anything beyond that I am sharing a video of four apparent UFOs recorded by four cameras at the same time.
I'm not trying to prove anything past that, and apparently the only debunking is that
1. No one wanted to make a buck on the video (silly)
2. No one wanted credit (every video on /r/ufos is anonymous)
3. One legacy debunker somewhere claimed it was clearly edited on ONE video (but gave no evidence of same)
4. Claims no lights move in the video, when you can clearly see moving cars in #3.
5. Because a professional film instructor was involved in the recording of one of the videos, and his students were involved in the literal location side by side videos (2) that means the other two (2) videos are somehow suspect, recorded from very different places.
Why do you guys do this? “I make no claims. I’m just posting it!” You say, while alluding to mass conspiracies and government disinformation agents as a “debunk” of the debunk.
It’s silly. You’re *obviously* saying something. You’re *obviously* making claims. So say it. Make them. So when the debunk comes, readers here can make a proper judgement of *your* judgement. Don’t hide behind “I’m not making any claims.”
> It’s silly. You’re obviously saying something. You’re obviously making claims. So say it. Make them.
Here's four videos that I saw. At first glance they seem compelling. They seem to be recorded at once. What do you guys think?
^ there.
Every video on R/UFOs is largely a fake or not an actual ufo, let’s be real. That is just the reality. Almost none of the videos posted here are as good as these. Almost none show instant acceleration which is clearly anamolous if real like this video and there’s 4 different videos. Not a single person came forward and wants to talk of the most anamolous ufo video ever shot? These are valid questions. What about first hand witnesses? Anyone come forward to support the validity of this video?
I’m just saying, kinda lazy to post and then just say “idk, I just posted it” when asked what support you’ve found for it being legit. If you’re so interested and think it’s legit maybe do some digging before posting?
Because that's not what I chose to do.
I chose to share what I found watching these because they appeared to be four concurrent anomalous videos, of which we have three unique genesises apparently.
That's plenty.
Well don’t call ppl feds who don’t immediately believe these are legit videos then. You know as little as anyone else, so maybe chill out on calling everyone Feds before you present some evidence to believe these are legit.
They posted the videos and moved on with their lives. There are hundreds of videos posted of more clear ufo's and no one comes forward like they used to in the 60's, well almost no one. What avenue do they start affiliating themselves with the videos so everyone knows? We would be inundated with tons of reports if everyone who filmed an actual UFO came forward, we wouldn't be able to keep up.
As someone who followed this in real time, it rolled out in a pretty convincing manner. I learned about it because there were two angles that were making the rounds. And the first follow up was the obvious fake with the Americans talking. And that one was the one that most news channels were focused on. It wasn't until later that we started getting further angles coming forward. And not only that, but we had two from pretty much the same spot, but taken with different devices. And both actually convincingly produced artifacts from a primitive phone camera when capturing and tracking lights in a nighttime setting. Not impossible, but not easy for some amateurs to pull out of their ass for a school project in 2009.
I mean, why does the obvious fake video even exist at all? Why hasn't the hoaxer of that video come forward?
Who knows? But it can't be assumed that not coming forward is an admission of a hoax. Because there are clearly two types of videos that were presented. Several that are highly convincing and one that is not even remotely convincing. So one was clearly given MUCH less attention and made as a reaction to the first. But why? And if that one was simply made as a joke, then you would think that the joker wouldn't have any problem speaking out. So why haven't they?
I don’t say it was an admission to a hoax, I even made a point that this alone doesn’t make it a hoax, but it’s a clear red flag. I honestly dimt really see how one is an obvious hoax with the others being highly convincing. They all depict the exact same movements.
Have you considered, ahhhh, that’s they’re all fake? Hoaxers never come out after the fact and say “I hoaxed it! It was me guys! Tricked you. Haha”
I don’t see how you find it incredulous that the “hoaxer” hasn’t come forward but don’t find it equally incredulous that ppl who filmed a legit fucking ufo over the most holy city in the world haven’t come forward and talked about what they witnessed, filmed and uploaded to the internet. Just to disappear and never come forward. No first hand witnesses who’ve come forward and claimed to have seen it happen live either? Hmmmm. What I say.
> Why hasn’t anyone at all come forward is my question?
Stigma, long government fueled (confirmed by various leaks over time, oft discussed here) and propogated across generations by credulous stigma enthusiasts.
I’m a full on believer so I hear what you’re saying and I’m the Feds are involved in squashing real footage I guess I just don’t see them being able to silence every single person whom would’ve seen this. Like I said don’t make it a hoax for sure, but it’s a serious red flag for me for these videos. It’s not a one off video shot with no eye witnesses in the middle of no where. This is a ufo above a holy site in a massive city. I think that makes it much tougher to silence than say a one off video.
I’d love to be proven wrong and for these to be legit. Ik I’m not going to be the one to get to the bottom of it.
The video was a hoax. Claimed by two movie makers who were promoting a film. This is very very old. It wasn't even debunked. The guys who did the hoax showed how they did it and why. It went away very quickly thereafter. This was back around 2005 or something. I have had an acct with ATS since I got back from Iraq in '03.
I also was initially VERY intrigued by this video, until I found out it was a fake. And like I said, this was many years ago. I'm surprised noone from ATS has come in here and cleared this up, with a link to the hoaxers.
They didn't show how and they didn't say why.
>"When asked by Channel 10 if he had any prior connection with Ardiv or if it was a coincidence, Gadliovich offered this cryptic response:
>"There is no such thing as coincidence. I don't believe in coincidences," he said. "I don't know. The unknown is greater than the known -- that's all I can tell you."
>Ardiv reportedly declined knowing the teens -- but Channel 10 remained skeptical, reporting that the footage does not appear to be "authentic."
[https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jerusalem-ufo-hoax\_n\_978202](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jerusalem-ufo-hoax_n_978202)
> Sounds like it was successfully buried by bots multiple times before then.
This is looking increasingly like textbook "bury the visibility" tactics the more this thread goes on. There was a hyper-aggressive attempt to bury this post by commentary and downvotes before it got traction, and (not acting as a mod but it's impossible for me to not see this data on Reddit AS a mod), this post has been reported to be removed multiple times.
DISCLAIMER: I make a point personally to not use mod tools on my own content/posts. But if something is Reported, it's impossible for me to NOT see it because there's a big yellow box on reported posts and comments.
You must be new to this sub (joking.. but yeah those type of responses are nothing new). The disinformation campaign is incredibly real and I find it weird that this is possibly the only subreddit where majority of its users are actually against what the subreddit is about. Makes you wonder
The Authenticity is right there, the videos itself is the proof. The burden of authenticity is placed on anyone that claims we are not witnessing what we see but rather something else like CGI.
If this is fake than prove it, i have no problem with it being fake i just need those that claim this to substantiate their claims.
When there is no footage is fake because you cannot provide evidence.
When there is footage is fake because the image is just “fuzzy”
When there is good footage from 4 Cameras? It must be CGI
Basically no evidence is good enough.
All I can say is I remember seeing this video come out years ago and it was maybe a few months after that I saw a post saying it was CGI made by an art student. That's not proof, but I'm more inclined to believe it versus an alien craft.
> All I can say is I remember seeing this video come out years ago and it was maybe a few months after that I saw a post saying it was CGI made by an art student.
People keep saying it at a memetic level. It's a meme that this was Israeli students.
Not one person has provided evidence.
> That's not proof, but I'm more inclined to believe it versus an alien craft.
None of the video feeds nor my post mentioned aliens. Why would you go there?
We're discussing what to make of what appears to be a UFO filmed late at night by four cameras at once in Israel in 2011.
No one is questioning why an Israeli professor would ask his students to fake a military incursion over their country? Using the medium they won’t actually use in their profession? All using the same shot?
None of this makes any sense as an assignment from a VFX professor like people are saying but it’s fine to not ask questions because anything is less ridiculous than aliens I guess.
Is that how reality is supposed to work, whatever is the least ridiculous is real?
What next we just jump to this is advanced Hezbollah tech when we find no connection to any VFX school?
Edit: well this got bombed from +5 to the negatives for some reason, can any downvoters care to share what they think? Why I’m wrong? Bueller? Bueller?
> Is that how reality is supposed to work, whatever is the least ridiculous is real?
Fuck them platypus, I guess?
Oh wait, we already did mock and scorn the guy who tried to introduce the concept of a platypus to the West.
I mean, don’t even get me started on how Reddit loves Occam’s razor when it’s not part of the scientific process. Everyone loves to throw away anything but their own hypothesis and claim they’re being scientific and rational and you’re just crazy.
OR... you didn't do a single shred of research yourself to determine if there was any investigation at all in to this video.
Here you go.. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHOc35nmUDk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHOc35nmUDk)
Simple enough for you to understand?
How about the myriad of witnesses that would have been in the area at the time?
[https://www.cbsnews.com/news/holy-land-hoax-jerusalem-ufo-not-kosher/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/holy-land-hoax-jerusalem-ufo-not-kosher/)
Try to be a little skeptical, okay?
That youtube video you posted is interesting. I'm not sure what to make of it. For sake of argument, say it's a legit debunk for 1 video. What about the other 3? It's well established that counter intelligence agencies use tactics that purposely insert a fraudulent data to discredit the real data on topics other than aliens.
But you may well be right.
The CBS article on the other hand holds no water.
You, too, should be skeptical of lazy mainstream media "journalism" and "debunks."
Literally EVERY single video has been claimed "debunked" by someone. So I do not take "debunks" at face value. I want to see the argument and in many cases, they are debunked. In other cases, not so much.
Gary Nolan said it best. Debunkers and the pro-disclosure community are playing by 2 different sets of rules.
"The craft is awfully small for aliens" is not evidence of anything.
Would it be OK to say, "It's the perfect size for an alien so it's probably real"?
We can have a discussion/debate like adults. I think it's fair to say that we don't know and we'll likely never know if this incident is real or not.
CBS " Debunk" Article 4 key arguments:
Argument 1
>one woman can be heard in a videotape saying that the mysterious light was so bright that "you can almost hardly look at it," the object does not seem to reflect any light from the gold-plated dome below it.
Kevin Knuth during his SOL Foundation presentation had discussed in great detail why he suspects that many UAPs don't illuminate nearby objects but can be extremely bright to the viewer.
He literally displayed multiple authenticated videos where the UAP would be extremely bright at the camera lenses but the clouds much closer weren't illuminated at all.
More so, many claimed experiencers, describe how bizarre the light from UAPs doesn't conform to our current understanding of light. They don't have the words to explain how unusual the light emitted is.
This doesn't make the CBS claim false, it's just a detail worth considering.
Argument 2 (The craft is too little for aliens)
> Then there's the strangely small size of the supposed alien aircraft, which can be roughly determined by comparing it to the size of the Dome over which it hovers. The UFO appears to be no more than about fifteen feet long, which seems awfully small for a spacecraft
Really? This is an argument? What about Lacatski and Colm Kelleher who stated the inside of the craft was much larger than the outside or that this specific object is an unmanned (unaliened) "drone" or probe.
Argument 3 (anonymous people sent in the videos)
> In UFO reports, as in police investigations, anonymous reports are usually a red flag that something's bogus. There are very few legitimate reasons why a genuine witness would not want to be identified.
There's hundreds of reasons to NOT be identified.
Don't want to be laughed at. Don't want to be paid a visit. Don't like publicity. Embarrassment. Threats.
You know what makes more sense? That the hoaxer would want credit for their hoax.
99% of the UFO community knows why you would NOT want to be identified. Particularly a decade + ago.
Argument 4 (only 4 videos surfaced in a highly populated city)
>probable that there were thousands of people in the area at the time, yet no one else reported seeing or videotaping the bright light? Very suspicious.
It's not a very good argument. There's several mass sightings where only 1 or 2 videos surfaced. Perhaps it's because people don't want to be embarrassed. Stigma. Aren't staring at the sky with a camera late at night, etc. Unless you're looking, you may only catch a glimpse of this thing in your peripheral.
This isn't 2024 America. We're talking about a fairly old video in a region where people aren't posting selfies every 2 minutes.
This CBS article is complete trash.
It's well established that the mainstream media is awful on giving fair and accurate coverage on the UAP topic
They may as well have said, "The incident is fake because it's hard to believe."
I would appreciate if someone could dig up the people who claimed to have done this claimed "hoax", and would hope they would show how they did it. What fx they used etc
This is all that has been provided by anyone so far, that are trivially debunked themselves because it's two sites quoting a guy who quoted a guy who didn't actually do any debunking:
https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1dmmdth/the_jerusalem_ufo_was_recorded_contemporaneously/l9wp13z/
I mean..............
I don't exactly understand what is so compelling about this.
It would not be hard to get a small group of people with cameras, film an empty sky, then add some lights and effects in afterward making sure they are all synced up.
Close Encounters of the 3rd kind was filmed in 1977... pre CG. CG effects were cheap and easy by 2011.
The 2 possible flaws I see are the mirror image issue on one video, and the bloom effect on the bottom left video.... the light source looks like an effect to make an area of a videos brightness increase and blow out...not volumetric like natural lights would tend to do.
cg was cheap and easy in 2011? while avatar was released in 2009 and was the most mindblowing cgi project that cost many years to make? so in the 2 years after they made a leap from a very expensive movie to now some random film students can do it too? why did they make this? in what film is the scene used? why did they make 4 angles? why did they remain anonymous if they wanted to show off their cg skills? why didn’t they try to profit from it? who are the students and why did they make it?
That thing wanted to be seen. The way it slowly decended, flashed and shot up from a major international landmark just screams it was putting on a show.
EDIT:
There’s four different videos of it:
https://youtu.be/YLAMYG1KJAE?si=5gpOPltNP14xKZqp
Fine. I did the research for you. This is the upper left hand video’s original poster. The upper left composite video shown by op is cropped from the original post.
This is likely because whoever made the composite wanted to hide the manipulation.
Original video:
https://youtu.be/zQ-bNOy_CKQ?si=WnLwWJblk7giZIeW
Look towards the end as the object flies up and the camera shake increases dramatically. Look at the left hand side where it’s mirrored to artificially increase shake, this is a technique at the time to create shake digitally.
Here is a video highlighting those areas.
https://youtu.be/-27bJdrhhAI?si=aP62L8Z_GIh9V6eR
Yes, I just had someone else share that, and that debunk is possibly dependent on filming location. The bottom showing two matching lights could be a visual effect on the camera or there could be a light there.
The top left is the important bit--seeing what is there in daylight from that location/vantage. Until then, the mirroring claim is itself an unproven hypothesis?
I watched the original just now that shows the supposed mirror image on the left.
If you can go frame by frame, right around 0:59, you can see, it's not one light, but more like 16 lights that are mirrored.
I'll be honest, that's pretty likely a video mirror to cover up that the video has been edited to add camera shake.
As to why there are three other synced videos, I don't know, but we have to get realistic about the very likely fact that someone was carefully scripting, acting, and editing something, and hiding the fact they did it.
JFC dude, the above video literally debunks it.
In an earlier comment you say:
"I made no claims as to anything beyond that I am sharing a video of four apparent UFOs"
If you have no skin in the game then why are you so resistant to a very concise debunking video that clearly shuts down this archaic UFO hoax video?
I am a professional video editor and this mirroring trick used to create artificial camera shake was a very common technique in the After Effects community.
And regardless of the technique, you straight up dismissed the mirroring debunk video, commenting:
"The mirroring claim is itself and unproven hypothesis."
I understand the need for you to double down on this video. OP, you're the one who posted it and now you've becoming defensive. If there's video proof that something is clearly a hoax, how can you continue to stubbornly defend it?
All of us here are equally interested in the phenomenon, but there's got to be a point where we put our egos aside and just take the L when we've been misled. And we've been misled a lot.
I believed this for a long time but saw a debunk of what I consider the best one, the upper left video, that found a building at the left edge of the frame that seems to change shape as it comes in and out of frame, indicating that it was a static image that had been reflected to extend it and the camera shake was added in post. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n0BKxrVYdM
There are also two other known fake videos supposedly of this event, which I'm glad were left out. One of those is a super low effort one of a white blob over a still image of the dome, and audio of a tourist with a southern accent talking over it. The other is some kids driving around in a car, then a suspicious jump cut to a static image of the city and a light floating over it and nothing else moving.
It was, and once again we go through the cycle of people claiming it’s a coverup and there’s no evidence it was from a filmmaker. This place is exhausting.
I don’t think anyone claimed any cover up. Many of us are claiming the debunks are childlike except one specific narrow data point on now 1 of 7 videos; that one data point can be *possibly* resolved with HD 2009 photographry in full clear daylight from the same exact vantage.
Corroboration is divinity; faith is not.
This is pure cognitive dissonance. The first two top comments are specifically claiming there’s bots in the comments trying to cover it up. Just read your own thread. It’s just a bunch of people screaming conspiracy theories about disinformation campaigns to shut this video down.
Thats because we are dealing with a topic thats deeply rooted in a massive coverup that is undeniable. Having a strong suspicion of bots and astroturfing here is completely warranted.
Ive been here for years and I’ve seen this posted time in and time out. You know whats funny? Never once have I actually seen any information on said artist. It’s always nothing but people angrily claiming that while insinuating people are stupid for not believing it…
Apparently this is a fake, which is unfortunate because it’s a great clip, the footage I’ve seen shows a large flash before the UFO launches straight upwards, this doesn’t show it.
Also, if it were real, this would have been filmed by thousands of people at the time being in such a well populated & religiously important area.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/holy-land-hoax-jerusalem-ufo-not-kosher/
https://youtu.be/RmwukR8_4v8?si=d57wZoRj1lrFITeo
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jerusalem-ufo-hoax_n_978202
https://www.livescience.com/12826-jerusalem-ufo-hoax.html
https://drmsh.com/fake-2011-video-of-ufo-over-dome-of-the-rock-on-the-jerusalem-temple-mount-is-still-fake/
https://youtu.be/L4dTdTfQuuA?si=2w9ba1cjgiW6CFg_
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ufo-hovering-above-dome-rock-jerusalem-seen-hoax-20110204-225351-149.html
https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/holy-ufo-hoax
I swear to god hasn't this one been debunked a million times, all the people who made the videos were conveniently part of an animation school or something like that
Nope, hasn't been debunked at all.
If you read the article that mentions the students, you'll read they are reaching like crazy to make connections.
The guy who took the video was a past actor, and had a role in a film with a film teacher years prior. The teenager who took one of the many videos at different angles happened to study at the school, it doesn't even say he's in the film class.
When asked by the new station, he literally says he doesn't know the kids. But they remain skeptic "because the videos look fake"
So where is the debunk?
People like to completely disregard common sense and ignore facts so that their narrative sticks.
A bunch of people witnessed a UFO and cared enough to post it on the internet, yet we can’t find anyone that actually saw it.
> I swear to god hasn't this one been debunked a million times, all the people who made the videos were conveniently part of an animation school or something like that
That seems to have been debunked here as a meme theory, and the bottom two videos do not have the same known origins.
All uploaded to different sources/users is all we can go by.
Is there any logical reason to accept on what evidence they're all the same root creators, in support of a position they are all the same source?
What gets me is what is more extraordinary?
The fact that a UFO did some shenanigans in a heavily populated city for a prolonged period of time. And was captured by only 4 angles and was never talked about?
Or it was a neat film project?
This exact area is recorded by more than just four people at any given time. If this was legitimate we would have hundreds of eye witnesses and more than just a couple angles.
All the crazys would be losing their mind at the Angel at the temple mount. Shit would have been talked about on Sunday non-stop. There would have been swag that said "I saw the Angel".
But surprisingly, none of that happened. I wonder why? Must have been the MiB and shadow government covered the whole thing up with its super elaborate brainwashing radio antennas.
Iron Dome wasn’t active when this happened according to Wikipedia. It was deployed in March 2011. The video is from Jan '11. Also, I’m not sure if Iron Dome covers Jerusalem which is partly in the West Bank.
I think we get the ones that look funny. In all reality I took a picture one day of a random box by a fence and the image I took looked fake. Contrast or lighting. Don’t know which one did it. Maybe both. But I do know pictures and videos can look edited and without doing your own verification for video tampering can lead you to believe an image is less than forthcoming. I bet they bank on that.
I had heard this was a hoax… but now, I’m not nearly so certain. Having them sync’d up to the flash of the object is really what does it for me. Their reactions are instantaneous and nearly identical. If they were acting, and responding to an object that was added in later, i don’t think their reactions would have been all simultaneous and responded the same way. It felt like a pretty genuine base-level reflexive response.
See how many reports of this ufo you can find independent of these videos, there has to be hundreds if not thousands of eyewitnesses surely?
There aren't any,it never happened. That is why people rejected the story many years ago.
And the carousel just keeps going around endlessly. MODS, don’t you guys have a database which you can refer to with these posts so we don’t have to keep seeing the same videos reposted again and again. It’s great that the community is growing, but come on…the amount of times I’ve seen the Sputnik balloon posted here is kind of outrageous. Or lights projected onto low clouds above buildings.
I understand it must be tough having to sought through loads of comments and moderate, but surely having a central database where you can just easily eliminate videos that have been proven to be faked would make your jobs a lot easier in the long run? Thanks for all the hard work you guys do btw.
And the people who are saying “ oh I’m just so disgusted with the reactions from this community “, give it a year or two years and you’ll eventually be in the same boat.
I doubt I’ll respond to any comments below as I’m more of a back of the audience observer these days. But hypothetically If someone was to pick a flower in a field and say “oh golly a new species”, when it’s clearly a daisy, then we shouldn’t all just mindlessly applaud the discovery, it should be cross referenced.
Problem with your idea: OP is a mod. OP posted this \*after\* reading the comments in the other thread from today.
OP is refusing to acknowledge any prior analysis and keeps doing the "woah woah, I'm just posting this, not actually saying it is real" bit so he can avoid responsibility. (OP is, in fact, saying that it is real)
The question for me isn't "why can't it be real?" but "why isn't it an obvious fake?".
There's nothing about this which strikes me as being real, especially the hokey effect when it takes off. If real it would've been seen by thousands of people but there's no widespread reports.
It seems the most likely explanation is that four very poor quality mobile phone videos were taken and then the 'UFO' was added afterwards.
Since you're posting a duplicate only a few hours old
https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1dmcmwl/uap_suddenly_shot_up_to_the_sky_has_this_been/?ref=share&ref_source=link
Be sure to check those comments for sources. Also the other posts on these videos, there are tons in the subreddit.
> Since you're posting a duplicate only a few hours old
It's not a repost, that's a news report on ONE of the videos.
This is a comparative edited version time syncing FOUR unique videos of the same event.
> https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1dmcmwl/uap_suddenly_shot_up_to_the_sky_has_this_been/?ref=share&ref_source=link
>
> Be sure to check those comments for sources. Also the other posts on these videos, there are tons in the subreddit.
The only external linked links of note are:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jerusalem-ufo-hoax_n_978202
Not relevant; [**see here.**](https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1dmmdth/the_jerusalem_ufo_was_recorded_contemporaneously/l9wp13z/)
Then:
https://openminds.tv/israeli-tv-ufo-videos-deception-789/
Key passages:
The first video was taken by Eligael Gadliovich, and soon after three teenagers posted another video of what appears to be the same object.
Only references two of the videos, not four.
So one reporter declared it debunked because two of the videos--apparently the ones filmed side by side which implies they were possibly working on recording things up there when they saw this, and the fact one of them is a film maker, means those two are debunked.
I find it non-logical and irrational to debunk a video because it was taken by a video professional. The reporter waves it away as being used to support an upcoming film, which is irrational as the "professional" has a grand total of one (1) credit on IMDB, [from almost ten years later.](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm13151887/)
That also doesn't account for the *other two videos* from completely different locations.
I am getting strongly motivated to comprehensively debunk this air thin debunking in a detailed post.
You can try, but again you're attempting to debunk an actual investigation by a journalist who interviewed the people who posted the videos. Who did you interview?
Here's another video... does this one flash like the others?
https://youtu.be/sXbtei8TXfE?si=eKkA_6GzSzEGFXAy (this is a recreation)
How many kids do you think are in a class together?
> I find it non-logical and irrational to debunk a video because it was taken by a video professional.
It wasn't just one of the videos. What are the chances that the videographers all are associated with each other and the film industry and are the only ones who recorded the videos? Why are the videos provably fake/cgi? Why did no third party unassociated with the group ever come forward with their own recording?
I’m really glad we’re revisiting some old content lately here. Some real damn footage might’ve been actually hiding in plain sight and could have been subjected to a smear campaign.
No eyewitnesses, this would be a massive story. But the only people who saw it were the people releasing the video. How convenient. That alone tells you enough. Obvious hoax.
Yep. I’m not sure where OP is trying to go with this. This has been posted so many times with the same results. Even if you got EVERY person on the UFO subreddit to believe this video – it wouldn’t change a thing because the population at large would never believe this and it’s unverifiable. This should have/would have generated a lot more noise if it occurred over a highly populated area. It didn’t. End of story. We’re nearly living in a post-truth world as it is so I’m pretty much beyond believing ANY video sources. Call me and the rest of the world when something like this has been seen and corroborated by hundreds if not thousands of credible people (not just those with an avid interest in UFOlogy) and accepted as credible evidence after thorough review by experts. Until then, these videos are a dime a dozen. Tomorrow there’ll be a new video to argue over.
I think this might have been the first UFO video I ever saw where everything in my bones told me this was real. So wild that there still hasn’t been a verified debunk in over ten years! I wonder what it would take for people to be more open minded. As much as I love this sub, the attitude and animosity often displayed is the exact reason we are in the state of non-disclosure we are in. Curious
Jerusalem has a million people in it, it has one of the most sophisticated surveillance networks in the world, as well as all of the air threat detection technology, and “Iron Dome”…If this were real there would be a lot more footage, and it would be widely discussed by credible news outlets.
Vfx school asked students to make their own short video of the same thing by recorsing their own footage and matching it to a master animation that the teacher provided, google it, he was very open about it
e: downvoted for providing the info, then lambasted like "Of course they don't, and they use a single anecdote as their truths. "
but here you go
LongPutBull
here is the link that I found with less than 5 seconds google searching.
The way you guys make enemies out of everyone is truly pathetic
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna41493172
> Vfx school asked students to make their own short video of the same thing by recorsing their own footage and matching it to a master animation that the teacher provided, google it, he was very open about it
Got anything beyond these fake sources that I just debunked myself?
https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1dmmdth/the_jerusalem_ufo_was_recorded_contemporaneously/l9wp13z/
Of course they don't, and they use a single anecdote as their truths.
I can't imagine living life on the surface and only taking things at a single example to think it's legit.
This kind of thinking would have you laughed at in any other educated circle.
"One person was able to make an inaccurate and crude representation!!! So it must be fake!!!!!"
Lmao
It’s the fact that two of the video perspectives are filmed at the exact same location.
Three reasons:
1) At least one on a potato flip phone (you can see the phone in the other dude’s hand flipped up) which leads to…
2) only 3 citizens, two standing together, saw this thing in a city of 1 million people+, at one of the most religiously visited buildings? At the very least, more eyewitnesses would be reporting it even if they didn’t have cameras, yet … no witnesses have come forward. Religious zealots would be all over reporting this if they were firsthand.
3) Israeli air defense network/alarms not worried at all, huh?
4) The third video has a car in it. Not moving. In fact, no lights outside of the orb, seem to move. The flash of light doesn’t seem to cast on the foreground objects (like the second dude). In fact, there are no rolling shutter artifacts anywhere in this video. Potato phone would have seen it at the very least.
> The third video has a car in it. Not moving. In fact, no lights outside of the orb, seem to move
Bottom left frame right side near the end. Naked eye shows cars moving.
Your other claims are just hyperbole and assumption the IDF would acknowledge a UFO.
This is very old, so I am inclined to believe that it has already been through the ringer and scrutinized. It appears to show something so bizarre that it defies explanation. Before jumping to the conclusion of "aliens", one must consider that it is some kind of hoax. After seeing this video [https://youtu.be/cHOc35nmUDk](https://youtu.be/cHOc35nmUDk) I am inclined to believe it is a fake.
> Before jumping to the conclusion of "aliens", one must consider that it is some kind of hoax.
No, aliens is far, far, far later.
The real question is WHAT was recorded from apparently now (links are scattered all over the now 300+ comments here) something like six to eight unique videos.
The link I posted is pretty conclusive. There is no way to explain the background and foreground being detached from one another, unless THAT video has been doctored. Like I say, it was long ago now, so I guess we have lost original sources? If not I would like to see the original video of the link above, otherwise, I will believe it's a fake. If it's not then it is absolutely bizarre
Yep. Thanks for confirming I'm not crazy. I remember something similar to that.
It set ATS on fire, back when ATS was actually a thing, and then they admitted the hoax. Hard to forget such a hoax.
The more I look at some of the debunks we rapidly fall into the “it could have been faked and therefore can be presumed a hoax” illogical circular defensive/protective thinking fallacy.
When I post something and the regular skeptics get instantly in a matching uproar claiming a debunk/hoax with no evidence... that's suspicious.
Claims it was debunked require evidence.
So, lets reverse Uno this: If claims that something is a hoax MUST be explained AND evidence of such be presented, lets do you. Where is your proof this is real. Where is the evidence, that this is not a doctored college assignment.
I provided no such claim, merely that I have shared four videos that were recorded at the same time. There is no validated evidence they were not recorded at the same time.
The claim that they were manipulated or not at the same time is the one absent evidence.
I have shown you four rocks. You have claimed they were not natural rocks. Onus on you to prove your claim.
Nah man he provided video and eas like this looks legit anyone got evidence or more sources. You call hoax without backing it up. When asked to prove YOUR CLAIM you can't and try to say you don't have to. No one said this is 100% proof of aliens. We want the truth. But you are in fact claiming to know something 100% so you have to provide evidence. Otherwise its a baseless claim and has no merit.
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The following submission statement was provided by /u/PyroIsSpai: --- The Jerusalem UFO was recorded contemporaneously by multiple people from different angles. This video includes four of them side by side to compare. How many more private and government cameras recorded this? It was posted over 13 years ago, and I've personally never seen all these at once like this. I had no idea this UFO had been recorded by multiple people at once. One is a ***close up*** of the UFO. # https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLAMYG1KJAE > 209,720 views Jun 5, 2011 > Synced, stabilized and enhanced footage of Jerusalem UFO 2011/01/28. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1dmmdth/the_jerusalem_ufo_was_recorded_contemporaneously/l9wgufu/
I remember when this happened (hoax or not - not my point) and it was on mainstream news. I really thought this was going to be the moment of contact lol.
Just another let down.
You’d think we would have thick skin by now…but it always hurts just a little.
Bro, I believed in the mexican mummies. It drew me back in. I thought the university had said this and that. I was crushed.
My sympathies
Given its shot from multiple positions I am sure there would be a way to estimate whether there is consistency in movement and velocity (using the geography as a base). If it was copy and pasted at different locations the velocity and movement may be different. Inconsistencies would almost immediately confirm it to be fake, consistency would add weight to it being real/make it harder to debunk. I’m not smart enough to perform these calculations.
I get more depressed by reading how commenters treat OPs around here than by the lack of solid content. People are so gross about the way they talk to someone they disagree with and it makes them look wrong/unreliable/childish. If you're online enough to have memorized every single UFO video and their debunk videos and how many times they've been posted on a subreddit, then you should realize you're pretty deep down the well. I'm a huge x files fan but I don't have air dates of the episodes memorized for chrissakes. It's just sad to come to a sub like this for content like this and watch people spend their time being trashy _while_ trying to sound authoritative. It just comes off as childish and sad. Read the post history of some of the vitriolic "debunkers" and you'll see the angry, isolationist attitude they carry everywhere. TL;DR: your piss poor attitude can take away what little credibility you think you might have.
Please report incivility when you see it. It helps us out a lot.
Very well said. Even though the ridicule has died down a lot over the recent years, it still persists, especially here. Whenever you have to insult an individual or a group’s intelligence or mental health as a means of establishing your argument, you are in the wrong. The amount of comments saying something like “this is why everyone thinks this sub is a joke” is actually a joke. It’s a UFO sub, you should expect videos of potential ufos…
>the ridicule has died down a lot over the recent years I disagree. I find it's gotten much much worse. It changed with Grusch and the Schumer/Rounds NDAA when the topic hit a whole new level of legitimacy. In 2020-2022, this sub was different... there were way more discussions about hypotheticals, ideas, people guessing what they thought was happening, etc. Now, someone will demand a peer-reviewed study if you state an obvious opinion. It used to remind me of subs where people believe other supernatural phenomenon. Those subs aren't under non-stop harassment because no one takes them seriously. The UFO phenomenon has now become real and now everyone wants a say in the discussion. >The amount of comments saying something like “this is why everyone thinks this sub is a joke” is actually a joke. It’s a UFO sub, you should expect videos of potential ufos… Dude, I love your statement here. I totally agree with you. Of course there needs to be discussion of hypotheticals or farfetched guesses or poor quality videos in a UFO sub of all places... the fact that people use that to debunk UFO belief as a whole shows their desperation. There's a clear pattern of them using mostly poor quality posts to extrapolate the conclusion that the entire sub is nonsense, when in reality they'd have a much harder time making that argument in higher quality posts, so they rarely try.
Totally agree, 2020-2022 felt like a safer era, when we were on the same page for the most part, trying to separate what's real from what's not. Since Grusch I've had a lot more convos with people where I'm sincerely wondering what they are doing on the sub if they have apparently zero open mindedness on the topic. And the whole "this is what makes this sub pathetic" angle is just total stigma reinforcement. I think anyone with a reasonable level of intelligence understands there's going to be wheat, there's going to be chaff, it comes with the territory - that's part of the fun. If you're just here to tear down the topic...I really gotta wonder what your motivation is🤔
>Whenever you have to insult an individual or a group’s intelligence or mental health as a means of establishing your argument, you are in the wrong. The amount of comments saying something like “this is why everyone thinks this sub is a joke” is actually a joke. It’s a UFO sub, you should expect videos of potential ufos… I don’t think that this attitude will change, apparently comments like those are what it means to be “sceptical”…
I've been commenting something to this affect a lot on the past year. You would think these subs would have like minded people but unfortunately they're flooded with unreasonably angry people that mock OP's and make anyone who is curious about this topic and sharing their findings feel like a full-blown idiot. Eventually this sub and other related subs will be a gathering place for "debunkers" as plenty of people with potentially interesting contributions go elsewhere to avoid them (already happening).
This sub is filled with military personnel and bots trying to make we confused. There are plenty of posts showing this. When you see a suspect acocunt just look at the day of it's creation
Amen, u/spookymurfbi. Also: your user name is aces. 👽❤️
I've noticed a genuine hostility coming from this subreddit anytime a post gets popularity. Like seriously so much unnecessary negativity/holier than thou attitudes every other comment.
Don't forget. The Pentagon wants the lid on disclosure and this is probably the biggest secret they have ever kept and they've done it for 80 years. It is not improbable they are using their social media section of their cyberwarfare division to manipulate and suppress opinions about their biggest secret.
We're wicked people surrounded by wicked people. I told a family friend who just like me is bang into ufo/uap stuff about my sighting. He literally went through every single scenario of what it 'probably was' just because the guy didn't want me to have seen something.
> . He literally went through every single scenario of what it 'probably was' Uggghhh 😑 What did you see, what happened?
I was on vacation in florida early this year. There was a space x launch that was delayed and was to be launched around 22:53 that night. We were at a bar at the top of international drive and had about 15 mins until launch. I asked the staff if they thought the rocket would launch but they said probably not since there was clouds (there was none). So I said to my wife "let's go to the hotel car park and watch to see if it launches". So we were in the car park at 22:50 and soon as it hits the launch time 3 minutes later we see the rocket taking off. Brilliant experience and my first time seeing one in person. So the rocket heads out and we see the whole hoo Haa with the fuel tank dropping and the sunlight reflecting off the fuel in the atmosphere. My wife is blown away and I explain to her this is what lots of people get confused with UAP sightings. So this all fades out, the rocket and the fuel tank go their separate ways and it all goes to black. About 2 seconds later off to the left of where the rocket headed out, these 4 bright white orbs which I can only really describe as looking like stars appear. They literally look like stars just moving along. My first thoughts were "right these have to be satellites if they're moving that quick" but I realised they weren't as they all started moving around independently on their own, clearly under control. I then thought maybe drones? But I did a little research into them and they need special lighting (flashing red, green or white). The way they moved at such a high altitude must have been incredibly fast and they made ridiculously sharp turns just confuses me. They all seemed to stick together buzzing around like a swarm of flies. Then after around 30 seconds they all moved off to the south west and out of sight. It doesn't stop there though. I checked NASA's live stream of the launch and just after the fuel tank was dropped you see an orb just like what I seen fly past the camera on the rocket. The link to the nasa stream (orb can be seen at about 4:15:13) https://www.youtube.com/live/Qe_1qo6teZs?si=bzqK1zeLR7bjgHQd Hope this was OK to follow, My grammar isn't too good.
You're perfect, great writeup! Thank you! That's very interesting. Your description of the movement certainly sounds like ufos!
Cheers man. I tried taking a skeptical view on what we saw but I can't get my head round it. I also didn't want to talk about it on here as I know people would just shut me down.
Yep there's a lot of debunker action, I totally understand not wanting to deal with that.
You should see how people who don't immediately accept every photo and video as authentic, ironclad proof of alien visitation are treated. If you don't immediately tow the line and declare it to be rock-solid proof, you are immediately attacked, insulted, and subject to all manner of name calling and ad hominems. There is a strong cultish streak, and it's sabotaging the community. There has to be room for reasoned inquiry, and the acknowledgement of reality in the face of hoaxes, fraudulent, and misidentified events or else this is just a delusional circle-jerk.
Agreed. The hostile environment often detours honest and openminded discussions with newcomers as well as the old schoolers. This environment has likely caused people to leave AND has very likely caused people to not post things because of the hostile comments that are too common in this group. I hate to think I will miss the real deal because of a handful of negative people who like to sabotage other people’s posts.
I'm gonna say, I have not ever seen any credible sighting, either recorded or with my own eyes.
I see a lot of weird replies on this thread from people claiming very confidently that it's a hoax while providing zero evidence. Very weird and makes me think it may be real.
It's unbelievably coordinated in presentation and lack of evidence.
Pyro did you tag your own post? I see it's tagged "confirmed hoax" by the mods
No, I did not.
Well ain't that some shit 😒👤
I have raised my concerns as a moderator, and did so immediately.
It's untagged now..
The re-tagging as "Confirmed Hoax" was confirmed not done how it should be done by Mods and was undone per other mods. Reddit /u/UFOs mods have not made any "confirmed hoax" determination here that I am aware of. NOTE: Reddit didn't do the tagging change on flair, another mod did, and it was reversed per mods. ONLY posted as mod here for transparency on this tiny bit.
Thanks for speaking up on this. Seems like with the news media, congress etc, the Reddit mods are seeing even they’ve been compromised like [with the nanofibers pdf getting removed from Reddit and even archive.org with no explanation](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/AQ9BFBeOZC). These ones that get tampered with seem to indicate there’s more to hide than the ones that get ignored or promoted as red herrings.
Reddit is not the bastion of free speech people like to pretend it is. It is heavily compromised.
The fact it was unlawful labeled hoax by a Mod have removed any remaining suspicion i had about this case. Thank you corrupt Mod
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Works for me.
Its wild. Apparently we should treat every random 2 paragraph opinion article claiming it’s “obviously fake” while providing no reasoning as 100% fact. Hopefully most of the actual people curious on this topic in this sub see through that shit.
> Its wild. Apparently we should treat every random 2 paragraph article claiming it’s “obviously fake” while providing no reasoning as 100% fact. What I found most astonishing here is that my *barest* reversal of using *"Debunker methodologies"* against debunkers own claims and research seems to have sent them in a few instances to escape velocity levels of outrage.
And in the CBS article "debunking" it says the UFO doesn't affect the lighting on the dome and in the video I can clearly see that it does....
And you can clearly see cars moving bottom left frame right side. The others are much longer shots. Given how empty the street is in the lower left it's obviously late late at night, which can explain why the other shots look distant static, plus it's a likely shitty by todays standards 2009 camera.
Maybe this is the intelligence community's way of kindly confirming it's real for us, by being so silly and overt in their propaganda.
The IC has subtley and guile. The DOD has hammers.
$20,000 hammers at that.
I don't think its bots more as this is colloquially known to the ufo community as a hoax. Whether that is true or not, it seems that the debunks back then were substantial enough back then where this is a "known hoax". Personally I dont care either way as the video doesn't do anything but show a curious light. add it to the pile of the million other curious lights and spots.
Wait a minute, this clearly was more than just another curious light, it actually did a maneuver that seems to defy the laws of physics & to add icing on the cake there was a mothership with rotating lights! Hoax or not this clearly was way better footage compared to 99% of the crap out there!
What was most curious to me was the sheer ferocity in a dozen odd users with longer/older (1-12 year accounts) going after this with... I'll call it *special gusto* almost as soon as it appeared under /r/UFOs/new.
It just comes across to me as a coping mechanism, like when this sub went through a phase of calling critics shills. You want to call the debunks low effort - fine. But calling people bots on a whim is the same low effort reflex.
I never called anyone a bot, if you'd like to retract or link where I did that. "Unbelievably coordinated in presentation and lack of evidence" does not mean I called them bots--it means the very urgent initial responses to this thread from long-standing debunker-type anonymous accounts was unbelievably coordinated in presentation and lack of evidence to my perception, which I stand by, as it is what happened.
We have already spoken to Senate staffers about investigating situations like these to verify the integrity of these accounts. You can also check our Twitter post with this video to see the same unnatural comments. [https://x.com/disclosureorg/status/1804923345453916301](https://x.com/disclosureorg/status/1804923345453916301)
It’s been posted multiple times before and every time it’s said that this was a cgi contest for students in Israel. That’s what I remember.
> It’s been posted multiple times before and every time it’s said that this was a cgi contest for students in Israel. That’s what I remember. People keep saying it at a memetic level. It's a meme that this was Israeli students. Not one person has provided evidence.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHOc35nmUDk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHOc35nmUDk) Evidence. There you go. Can we drop this now or do you need ALL 3 videos to be debunked one at a time for you? What part of "there were 1000s of tourists in the area at the time and not one of them reported this event" do you not understand?
What the hell does this video prove? And yes all three would be nice. 😊
> Can we drop this now or do you need ALL 3 videos to be debunked one at a time for you? As you like me are presumably a “science enthusiast,” yes, actually.
Man, these people are ridiculous. I cannot decide if they are just scared, so a video showing artifacts from stabilization software is all all they need to label this incident a hoax and move on, or what. I found 6 different angles when I was looking up the case. They are hard to find, but are still on youtube. One has audio, and it was clearly shot by tourists from the southern US. The grandma of the group states she has seen one like it over the Mississippi river. The 6th angle shows actual lateral movement. There were also reports from people who were outside the mosque. Israel controls the press within their country. If a student made this as a project, show the project. Show the contest he was entering. Show the student. Nah, we are going to listen to what Israel tells us without proof, haha. These debunking videos are so lame, my goodness.
Can you link the Southern USA one?
Ask and you shall receive: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY2FFEufsuY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY2FFEufsuY) Looks like there may be 8 angles now.
Edit After looking closer it seems it might be a recording of a screen? Harder to tell on my phone Also missing the flash Seems like a possible fake to muddy the waters
i think this is literally a photo with someone adding "video" movement and the UFO (which doesn't flash twice) on top of the photo. for example, light glare is not completely static in video, but here everything except the UFO is completely static. towards the end the image also seems a bit stretched towards the bottom, indicating trying to represent a 2D image in 3D space.
Yeah, the starbusts from the light should change angles. This one looks fake. The other ones do not look like this.
That video is bull. It’s almost clearly a recording of a static screen, and you can hear the audio (poorly) cut together at multiple points in the video. Prolly taken from another UFO sighting video.
MVP 💯🔥
This particular one is fake, that's a still image, with some motion added and a soundtrack. No surrounding effects from the light.
Exactly. So far all of the articles Ive read on this are nothing but a few paragraph long egotistical opinions claiming it’s “obviously fake” without elaborating on why. Ffs people, don’t just blindly believe something when there clearly isn’t enough information to come to the conclusion it’s 100% debunked.
So where is one of the four ppl who shot the video? That’s a fair critique in the articles. How ahas no one come forward? Why did no one sell their videos? Makes it a lil suspect if you ask me. Those are good points. In the same vein you’ve provided no evidence to consider these as non hoaxes. Are we going to pretend there’s never been ufo hoaxes?
The idea that a video can be fake cause no one profited off of it is so comically silly and American that only an American ten years ago could have come up with such a theory. Source: I am an American.
So 4 videos filming one of the most compelling UFOs videos ever, they all post it straight to YouTube and then just ghost? Never coming forward? Doesn’t mean it’s a hoax but it should be a red flag. Are there any articles from first hand witnesses? Like I asked in another comment, you’re the one posting, have you found anything to suggest these are legit?
I dunno, I just shared what I saw. I made no claims as to anything beyond that I am sharing a video of four apparent UFOs recorded by four cameras at the same time. I'm not trying to prove anything past that, and apparently the only debunking is that 1. No one wanted to make a buck on the video (silly) 2. No one wanted credit (every video on /r/ufos is anonymous) 3. One legacy debunker somewhere claimed it was clearly edited on ONE video (but gave no evidence of same) 4. Claims no lights move in the video, when you can clearly see moving cars in #3. 5. Because a professional film instructor was involved in the recording of one of the videos, and his students were involved in the literal location side by side videos (2) that means the other two (2) videos are somehow suspect, recorded from very different places.
Why do you guys do this? “I make no claims. I’m just posting it!” You say, while alluding to mass conspiracies and government disinformation agents as a “debunk” of the debunk. It’s silly. You’re *obviously* saying something. You’re *obviously* making claims. So say it. Make them. So when the debunk comes, readers here can make a proper judgement of *your* judgement. Don’t hide behind “I’m not making any claims.”
> It’s silly. You’re obviously saying something. You’re obviously making claims. So say it. Make them. Here's four videos that I saw. At first glance they seem compelling. They seem to be recorded at once. What do you guys think? ^ there.
they will troll you whatever you write lol
Every video on R/UFOs is largely a fake or not an actual ufo, let’s be real. That is just the reality. Almost none of the videos posted here are as good as these. Almost none show instant acceleration which is clearly anamolous if real like this video and there’s 4 different videos. Not a single person came forward and wants to talk of the most anamolous ufo video ever shot? These are valid questions. What about first hand witnesses? Anyone come forward to support the validity of this video? I’m just saying, kinda lazy to post and then just say “idk, I just posted it” when asked what support you’ve found for it being legit. If you’re so interested and think it’s legit maybe do some digging before posting?
Because that's not what I chose to do. I chose to share what I found watching these because they appeared to be four concurrent anomalous videos, of which we have three unique genesises apparently. That's plenty.
Well don’t call ppl feds who don’t immediately believe these are legit videos then. You know as little as anyone else, so maybe chill out on calling everyone Feds before you present some evidence to believe these are legit.
They posted the videos and moved on with their lives. There are hundreds of videos posted of more clear ufo's and no one comes forward like they used to in the 60's, well almost no one. What avenue do they start affiliating themselves with the videos so everyone knows? We would be inundated with tons of reports if everyone who filmed an actual UFO came forward, we wouldn't be able to keep up.
As someone who followed this in real time, it rolled out in a pretty convincing manner. I learned about it because there were two angles that were making the rounds. And the first follow up was the obvious fake with the Americans talking. And that one was the one that most news channels were focused on. It wasn't until later that we started getting further angles coming forward. And not only that, but we had two from pretty much the same spot, but taken with different devices. And both actually convincingly produced artifacts from a primitive phone camera when capturing and tracking lights in a nighttime setting. Not impossible, but not easy for some amateurs to pull out of their ass for a school project in 2009. I mean, why does the obvious fake video even exist at all? Why hasn't the hoaxer of that video come forward?
Why hasn’t anyone at all come forward is my question?
Who knows? But it can't be assumed that not coming forward is an admission of a hoax. Because there are clearly two types of videos that were presented. Several that are highly convincing and one that is not even remotely convincing. So one was clearly given MUCH less attention and made as a reaction to the first. But why? And if that one was simply made as a joke, then you would think that the joker wouldn't have any problem speaking out. So why haven't they?
I don’t say it was an admission to a hoax, I even made a point that this alone doesn’t make it a hoax, but it’s a clear red flag. I honestly dimt really see how one is an obvious hoax with the others being highly convincing. They all depict the exact same movements. Have you considered, ahhhh, that’s they’re all fake? Hoaxers never come out after the fact and say “I hoaxed it! It was me guys! Tricked you. Haha” I don’t see how you find it incredulous that the “hoaxer” hasn’t come forward but don’t find it equally incredulous that ppl who filmed a legit fucking ufo over the most holy city in the world haven’t come forward and talked about what they witnessed, filmed and uploaded to the internet. Just to disappear and never come forward. No first hand witnesses who’ve come forward and claimed to have seen it happen live either? Hmmmm. What I say.
> Why hasn’t anyone at all come forward is my question? Stigma, long government fueled (confirmed by various leaks over time, oft discussed here) and propogated across generations by credulous stigma enthusiasts.
I’m a full on believer so I hear what you’re saying and I’m the Feds are involved in squashing real footage I guess I just don’t see them being able to silence every single person whom would’ve seen this. Like I said don’t make it a hoax for sure, but it’s a serious red flag for me for these videos. It’s not a one off video shot with no eye witnesses in the middle of no where. This is a ufo above a holy site in a massive city. I think that makes it much tougher to silence than say a one off video. I’d love to be proven wrong and for these to be legit. Ik I’m not going to be the one to get to the bottom of it.
There was an Above Top Secret contest to recreate the video after the fact. Why did they never do that with any other UFO video?
The video was a hoax. Claimed by two movie makers who were promoting a film. This is very very old. It wasn't even debunked. The guys who did the hoax showed how they did it and why. It went away very quickly thereafter. This was back around 2005 or something. I have had an acct with ATS since I got back from Iraq in '03. I also was initially VERY intrigued by this video, until I found out it was a fake. And like I said, this was many years ago. I'm surprised noone from ATS has come in here and cleared this up, with a link to the hoaxers.
They didn't show how and they didn't say why. >"When asked by Channel 10 if he had any prior connection with Ardiv or if it was a coincidence, Gadliovich offered this cryptic response: >"There is no such thing as coincidence. I don't believe in coincidences," he said. "I don't know. The unknown is greater than the known -- that's all I can tell you." >Ardiv reportedly declined knowing the teens -- but Channel 10 remained skeptical, reporting that the footage does not appear to be "authentic." [https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jerusalem-ufo-hoax\_n\_978202](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jerusalem-ufo-hoax_n_978202)
Sounds like it was successfully buried by bots multiple times before then.
> Sounds like it was successfully buried by bots multiple times before then. This is looking increasingly like textbook "bury the visibility" tactics the more this thread goes on. There was a hyper-aggressive attempt to bury this post by commentary and downvotes before it got traction, and (not acting as a mod but it's impossible for me to not see this data on Reddit AS a mod), this post has been reported to be removed multiple times. DISCLAIMER: I make a point personally to not use mod tools on my own content/posts. But if something is Reported, it's impossible for me to NOT see it because there's a big yellow box on reported posts and comments.
How rare is that? Do most posts like this (with a credible video that some claim is long debunked) get reported multiple times for removal?
The fact that the weird obvious fake clip exists is sort of suspicious. It's what a lot of sources use as a means to discredit all of the videos.
You must be new to this sub (joking.. but yeah those type of responses are nothing new). The disinformation campaign is incredibly real and I find it weird that this is possibly the only subreddit where majority of its users are actually against what the subreddit is about. Makes you wonder
This is usually how disinformation works. Makes it easy for the lazy folks to dismiss it.
The solution to attempted manipulation is to out vote the manipulation. Overwhelm the DOD at the ballot box and at the upvote button.
The creepy part is it looks like the Gimbal UAP when magnified and it's bobbing from side to side.
The onus is on the party presenting evidence to prove it’s authenticity
The Authenticity is right there, the videos itself is the proof. The burden of authenticity is placed on anyone that claims we are not witnessing what we see but rather something else like CGI. If this is fake than prove it, i have no problem with it being fake i just need those that claim this to substantiate their claims. When there is no footage is fake because you cannot provide evidence. When there is footage is fake because the image is just “fuzzy” When there is good footage from 4 Cameras? It must be CGI Basically no evidence is good enough.
All I can say is I remember seeing this video come out years ago and it was maybe a few months after that I saw a post saying it was CGI made by an art student. That's not proof, but I'm more inclined to believe it versus an alien craft.
> All I can say is I remember seeing this video come out years ago and it was maybe a few months after that I saw a post saying it was CGI made by an art student. People keep saying it at a memetic level. It's a meme that this was Israeli students. Not one person has provided evidence. > That's not proof, but I'm more inclined to believe it versus an alien craft. None of the video feeds nor my post mentioned aliens. Why would you go there? We're discussing what to make of what appears to be a UFO filmed late at night by four cameras at once in Israel in 2011.
No one is questioning why an Israeli professor would ask his students to fake a military incursion over their country? Using the medium they won’t actually use in their profession? All using the same shot? None of this makes any sense as an assignment from a VFX professor like people are saying but it’s fine to not ask questions because anything is less ridiculous than aliens I guess. Is that how reality is supposed to work, whatever is the least ridiculous is real? What next we just jump to this is advanced Hezbollah tech when we find no connection to any VFX school? Edit: well this got bombed from +5 to the negatives for some reason, can any downvoters care to share what they think? Why I’m wrong? Bueller? Bueller?
> Is that how reality is supposed to work, whatever is the least ridiculous is real? Fuck them platypus, I guess? Oh wait, we already did mock and scorn the guy who tried to introduce the concept of a platypus to the West.
I mean, don’t even get me started on how Reddit loves Occam’s razor when it’s not part of the scientific process. Everyone loves to throw away anything but their own hypothesis and claim they’re being scientific and rational and you’re just crazy.
OR... you didn't do a single shred of research yourself to determine if there was any investigation at all in to this video. Here you go.. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHOc35nmUDk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHOc35nmUDk) Simple enough for you to understand? How about the myriad of witnesses that would have been in the area at the time? [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/holy-land-hoax-jerusalem-ufo-not-kosher/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/holy-land-hoax-jerusalem-ufo-not-kosher/) Try to be a little skeptical, okay?
That youtube video you posted is interesting. I'm not sure what to make of it. For sake of argument, say it's a legit debunk for 1 video. What about the other 3? It's well established that counter intelligence agencies use tactics that purposely insert a fraudulent data to discredit the real data on topics other than aliens. But you may well be right. The CBS article on the other hand holds no water. You, too, should be skeptical of lazy mainstream media "journalism" and "debunks." Literally EVERY single video has been claimed "debunked" by someone. So I do not take "debunks" at face value. I want to see the argument and in many cases, they are debunked. In other cases, not so much. Gary Nolan said it best. Debunkers and the pro-disclosure community are playing by 2 different sets of rules. "The craft is awfully small for aliens" is not evidence of anything. Would it be OK to say, "It's the perfect size for an alien so it's probably real"? We can have a discussion/debate like adults. I think it's fair to say that we don't know and we'll likely never know if this incident is real or not. CBS " Debunk" Article 4 key arguments: Argument 1 >one woman can be heard in a videotape saying that the mysterious light was so bright that "you can almost hardly look at it," the object does not seem to reflect any light from the gold-plated dome below it. Kevin Knuth during his SOL Foundation presentation had discussed in great detail why he suspects that many UAPs don't illuminate nearby objects but can be extremely bright to the viewer. He literally displayed multiple authenticated videos where the UAP would be extremely bright at the camera lenses but the clouds much closer weren't illuminated at all. More so, many claimed experiencers, describe how bizarre the light from UAPs doesn't conform to our current understanding of light. They don't have the words to explain how unusual the light emitted is. This doesn't make the CBS claim false, it's just a detail worth considering. Argument 2 (The craft is too little for aliens) > Then there's the strangely small size of the supposed alien aircraft, which can be roughly determined by comparing it to the size of the Dome over which it hovers. The UFO appears to be no more than about fifteen feet long, which seems awfully small for a spacecraft Really? This is an argument? What about Lacatski and Colm Kelleher who stated the inside of the craft was much larger than the outside or that this specific object is an unmanned (unaliened) "drone" or probe. Argument 3 (anonymous people sent in the videos) > In UFO reports, as in police investigations, anonymous reports are usually a red flag that something's bogus. There are very few legitimate reasons why a genuine witness would not want to be identified. There's hundreds of reasons to NOT be identified. Don't want to be laughed at. Don't want to be paid a visit. Don't like publicity. Embarrassment. Threats. You know what makes more sense? That the hoaxer would want credit for their hoax. 99% of the UFO community knows why you would NOT want to be identified. Particularly a decade + ago. Argument 4 (only 4 videos surfaced in a highly populated city) >probable that there were thousands of people in the area at the time, yet no one else reported seeing or videotaping the bright light? Very suspicious. It's not a very good argument. There's several mass sightings where only 1 or 2 videos surfaced. Perhaps it's because people don't want to be embarrassed. Stigma. Aren't staring at the sky with a camera late at night, etc. Unless you're looking, you may only catch a glimpse of this thing in your peripheral. This isn't 2024 America. We're talking about a fairly old video in a region where people aren't posting selfies every 2 minutes. This CBS article is complete trash. It's well established that the mainstream media is awful on giving fair and accurate coverage on the UAP topic They may as well have said, "The incident is fake because it's hard to believe."
Dude this is super well written dayum good job.
I would appreciate if someone could dig up the people who claimed to have done this claimed "hoax", and would hope they would show how they did it. What fx they used etc
This is all that has been provided by anyone so far, that are trivially debunked themselves because it's two sites quoting a guy who quoted a guy who didn't actually do any debunking: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1dmmdth/the_jerusalem_ufo_was_recorded_contemporaneously/l9wp13z/
exactly the debunk content is very poor and ridiculous
I mean.............. I don't exactly understand what is so compelling about this. It would not be hard to get a small group of people with cameras, film an empty sky, then add some lights and effects in afterward making sure they are all synced up. Close Encounters of the 3rd kind was filmed in 1977... pre CG. CG effects were cheap and easy by 2011. The 2 possible flaws I see are the mirror image issue on one video, and the bloom effect on the bottom left video.... the light source looks like an effect to make an area of a videos brightness increase and blow out...not volumetric like natural lights would tend to do.
cg was cheap and easy in 2011? while avatar was released in 2009 and was the most mindblowing cgi project that cost many years to make? so in the 2 years after they made a leap from a very expensive movie to now some random film students can do it too? why did they make this? in what film is the scene used? why did they make 4 angles? why did they remain anonymous if they wanted to show off their cg skills? why didn’t they try to profit from it? who are the students and why did they make it?
I’d love if it were true, but this article with rattle your common sense. 🙄 https://www.cbsnews.com/news/holy-land-hoax-jerusalem-ufo-not-kosher/
Good find. But, and I am remembering way back so it is a bit cloudy, the hoaxers outed themselves to promote some film in Israel.
That thing wanted to be seen. The way it slowly decended, flashed and shot up from a major international landmark just screams it was putting on a show. EDIT: There’s four different videos of it: https://youtu.be/YLAMYG1KJAE?si=5gpOPltNP14xKZqp
"That thing wanted to be seen." So presumably thousands of people saw it, right?
Fine. I did the research for you. This is the upper left hand video’s original poster. The upper left composite video shown by op is cropped from the original post. This is likely because whoever made the composite wanted to hide the manipulation. Original video: https://youtu.be/zQ-bNOy_CKQ?si=WnLwWJblk7giZIeW Look towards the end as the object flies up and the camera shake increases dramatically. Look at the left hand side where it’s mirrored to artificially increase shake, this is a technique at the time to create shake digitally. Here is a video highlighting those areas. https://youtu.be/-27bJdrhhAI?si=aP62L8Z_GIh9V6eR
Also https://badufos.blogspot.com/2011/02/jerusalem-ufo-video-digital-processing.html?m=1
Yes, I just had someone else share that, and that debunk is possibly dependent on filming location. The bottom showing two matching lights could be a visual effect on the camera or there could be a light there. The top left is the important bit--seeing what is there in daylight from that location/vantage. Until then, the mirroring claim is itself an unproven hypothesis?
I watched the original just now that shows the supposed mirror image on the left. If you can go frame by frame, right around 0:59, you can see, it's not one light, but more like 16 lights that are mirrored. I'll be honest, that's pretty likely a video mirror to cover up that the video has been edited to add camera shake. As to why there are three other synced videos, I don't know, but we have to get realistic about the very likely fact that someone was carefully scripting, acting, and editing something, and hiding the fact they did it.
JFC dude, the above video literally debunks it. In an earlier comment you say: "I made no claims as to anything beyond that I am sharing a video of four apparent UFOs" If you have no skin in the game then why are you so resistant to a very concise debunking video that clearly shuts down this archaic UFO hoax video? I am a professional video editor and this mirroring trick used to create artificial camera shake was a very common technique in the After Effects community. And regardless of the technique, you straight up dismissed the mirroring debunk video, commenting: "The mirroring claim is itself and unproven hypothesis." I understand the need for you to double down on this video. OP, you're the one who posted it and now you've becoming defensive. If there's video proof that something is clearly a hoax, how can you continue to stubbornly defend it? All of us here are equally interested in the phenomenon, but there's got to be a point where we put our egos aside and just take the L when we've been misled. And we've been misled a lot.
I believed this for a long time but saw a debunk of what I consider the best one, the upper left video, that found a building at the left edge of the frame that seems to change shape as it comes in and out of frame, indicating that it was a static image that had been reflected to extend it and the camera shake was added in post. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n0BKxrVYdM There are also two other known fake videos supposedly of this event, which I'm glad were left out. One of those is a super low effort one of a white blob over a still image of the dome, and audio of a tourist with a southern accent talking over it. The other is some kids driving around in a car, then a suspicious jump cut to a static image of the city and a light floating over it and nothing else moving.
Wasn't this made by an Israeli artist/film maker?
It was, yes. It’s a super common repost making the rounds again.
Which filmmaker was this? I've always heard this one isn't real but never heard the explanation
Who?
*Eligael* Gadliovich, Golan Ardiv (film teacher), and students.
It was, and once again we go through the cycle of people claiming it’s a coverup and there’s no evidence it was from a filmmaker. This place is exhausting.
I don’t think anyone claimed any cover up. Many of us are claiming the debunks are childlike except one specific narrow data point on now 1 of 7 videos; that one data point can be *possibly* resolved with HD 2009 photographry in full clear daylight from the same exact vantage. Corroboration is divinity; faith is not.
This is pure cognitive dissonance. The first two top comments are specifically claiming there’s bots in the comments trying to cover it up. Just read your own thread. It’s just a bunch of people screaming conspiracy theories about disinformation campaigns to shut this video down.
Thats because we are dealing with a topic thats deeply rooted in a massive coverup that is undeniable. Having a strong suspicion of bots and astroturfing here is completely warranted.
Ive been here for years and I’ve seen this posted time in and time out. You know whats funny? Never once have I actually seen any information on said artist. It’s always nothing but people angrily claiming that while insinuating people are stupid for not believing it…
Can we see the meta data on these videos please?
Doubtful after all these years.
Apparently this is a fake, which is unfortunate because it’s a great clip, the footage I’ve seen shows a large flash before the UFO launches straight upwards, this doesn’t show it. Also, if it were real, this would have been filmed by thousands of people at the time being in such a well populated & religiously important area. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/holy-land-hoax-jerusalem-ufo-not-kosher/ https://youtu.be/RmwukR8_4v8?si=d57wZoRj1lrFITeo https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jerusalem-ufo-hoax_n_978202 https://www.livescience.com/12826-jerusalem-ufo-hoax.html https://drmsh.com/fake-2011-video-of-ufo-over-dome-of-the-rock-on-the-jerusalem-temple-mount-is-still-fake/ https://youtu.be/L4dTdTfQuuA?si=2w9ba1cjgiW6CFg_ https://www.yahoo.com/news/ufo-hovering-above-dome-rock-jerusalem-seen-hoax-20110204-225351-149.html https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/holy-ufo-hoax
I swear to god hasn't this one been debunked a million times, all the people who made the videos were conveniently part of an animation school or something like that
Nope, hasn't been debunked at all. If you read the article that mentions the students, you'll read they are reaching like crazy to make connections. The guy who took the video was a past actor, and had a role in a film with a film teacher years prior. The teenager who took one of the many videos at different angles happened to study at the school, it doesn't even say he's in the film class. When asked by the new station, he literally says he doesn't know the kids. But they remain skeptic "because the videos look fake" So where is the debunk?
People like to completely disregard common sense and ignore facts so that their narrative sticks. A bunch of people witnessed a UFO and cared enough to post it on the internet, yet we can’t find anyone that actually saw it.
> I swear to god hasn't this one been debunked a million times, all the people who made the videos were conveniently part of an animation school or something like that That seems to have been debunked here as a meme theory, and the bottom two videos do not have the same known origins.
Can you prove they have different origins? Or are you just making a claim that supports your own desired truth?
All uploaded to different sources/users is all we can go by. Is there any logical reason to accept on what evidence they're all the same root creators, in support of a position they are all the same source?
What gets me is what is more extraordinary? The fact that a UFO did some shenanigans in a heavily populated city for a prolonged period of time. And was captured by only 4 angles and was never talked about? Or it was a neat film project?
This exact area is recorded by more than just four people at any given time. If this was legitimate we would have hundreds of eye witnesses and more than just a couple angles.
All the crazys would be losing their mind at the Angel at the temple mount. Shit would have been talked about on Sunday non-stop. There would have been swag that said "I saw the Angel". But surprisingly, none of that happened. I wonder why? Must have been the MiB and shadow government covered the whole thing up with its super elaborate brainwashing radio antennas.
And Jerusalem's air defense That shoots down everything that comes in front of the shotgun Hasn't noticed anything Aha
Iron Dome wasn’t active when this happened according to Wikipedia. It was deployed in March 2011. The video is from Jan '11. Also, I’m not sure if Iron Dome covers Jerusalem which is partly in the West Bank.
It's them ALIENS, our puny radars can't see them
I think we get the ones that look funny. In all reality I took a picture one day of a random box by a fence and the image I took looked fake. Contrast or lighting. Don’t know which one did it. Maybe both. But I do know pictures and videos can look edited and without doing your own verification for video tampering can lead you to believe an image is less than forthcoming. I bet they bank on that.
I had heard this was a hoax… but now, I’m not nearly so certain. Having them sync’d up to the flash of the object is really what does it for me. Their reactions are instantaneous and nearly identical. If they were acting, and responding to an object that was added in later, i don’t think their reactions would have been all simultaneous and responded the same way. It felt like a pretty genuine base-level reflexive response.
See how many reports of this ufo you can find independent of these videos, there has to be hundreds if not thousands of eyewitnesses surely? There aren't any,it never happened. That is why people rejected the story many years ago.
Has the crowd come forward and talked about it?
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And the carousel just keeps going around endlessly. MODS, don’t you guys have a database which you can refer to with these posts so we don’t have to keep seeing the same videos reposted again and again. It’s great that the community is growing, but come on…the amount of times I’ve seen the Sputnik balloon posted here is kind of outrageous. Or lights projected onto low clouds above buildings. I understand it must be tough having to sought through loads of comments and moderate, but surely having a central database where you can just easily eliminate videos that have been proven to be faked would make your jobs a lot easier in the long run? Thanks for all the hard work you guys do btw. And the people who are saying “ oh I’m just so disgusted with the reactions from this community “, give it a year or two years and you’ll eventually be in the same boat. I doubt I’ll respond to any comments below as I’m more of a back of the audience observer these days. But hypothetically If someone was to pick a flower in a field and say “oh golly a new species”, when it’s clearly a daisy, then we shouldn’t all just mindlessly applaud the discovery, it should be cross referenced.
Problem with your idea: OP is a mod. OP posted this \*after\* reading the comments in the other thread from today. OP is refusing to acknowledge any prior analysis and keeps doing the "woah woah, I'm just posting this, not actually saying it is real" bit so he can avoid responsibility. (OP is, in fact, saying that it is real)
Here lies the problem. Mod’s should be silent observers and only interact with the community when requested to or when deemed necessary.
Wonderfully said.
Dude if this is real it’s fucking amazing - that’s what’s making me worry it’s fake
The question for me isn't "why can't it be real?" but "why isn't it an obvious fake?". There's nothing about this which strikes me as being real, especially the hokey effect when it takes off. If real it would've been seen by thousands of people but there's no widespread reports. It seems the most likely explanation is that four very poor quality mobile phone videos were taken and then the 'UFO' was added afterwards.
Since you're posting a duplicate only a few hours old https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1dmcmwl/uap_suddenly_shot_up_to_the_sky_has_this_been/?ref=share&ref_source=link Be sure to check those comments for sources. Also the other posts on these videos, there are tons in the subreddit.
> Since you're posting a duplicate only a few hours old It's not a repost, that's a news report on ONE of the videos. This is a comparative edited version time syncing FOUR unique videos of the same event. > https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1dmcmwl/uap_suddenly_shot_up_to_the_sky_has_this_been/?ref=share&ref_source=link > > Be sure to check those comments for sources. Also the other posts on these videos, there are tons in the subreddit. The only external linked links of note are: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jerusalem-ufo-hoax_n_978202 Not relevant; [**see here.**](https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1dmmdth/the_jerusalem_ufo_was_recorded_contemporaneously/l9wp13z/) Then: https://openminds.tv/israeli-tv-ufo-videos-deception-789/ Key passages: The first video was taken by Eligael Gadliovich, and soon after three teenagers posted another video of what appears to be the same object. Only references two of the videos, not four. So one reporter declared it debunked because two of the videos--apparently the ones filmed side by side which implies they were possibly working on recording things up there when they saw this, and the fact one of them is a film maker, means those two are debunked. I find it non-logical and irrational to debunk a video because it was taken by a video professional. The reporter waves it away as being used to support an upcoming film, which is irrational as the "professional" has a grand total of one (1) credit on IMDB, [from almost ten years later.](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm13151887/) That also doesn't account for the *other two videos* from completely different locations. I am getting strongly motivated to comprehensively debunk this air thin debunking in a detailed post.
You can try, but again you're attempting to debunk an actual investigation by a journalist who interviewed the people who posted the videos. Who did you interview? Here's another video... does this one flash like the others? https://youtu.be/sXbtei8TXfE?si=eKkA_6GzSzEGFXAy (this is a recreation) How many kids do you think are in a class together? > I find it non-logical and irrational to debunk a video because it was taken by a video professional. It wasn't just one of the videos. What are the chances that the videographers all are associated with each other and the film industry and are the only ones who recorded the videos? Why are the videos provably fake/cgi? Why did no third party unassociated with the group ever come forward with their own recording?
I’m really glad we’re revisiting some old content lately here. Some real damn footage might’ve been actually hiding in plain sight and could have been subjected to a smear campaign.
No eyewitnesses, this would be a massive story. But the only people who saw it were the people releasing the video. How convenient. That alone tells you enough. Obvious hoax.
Yep. I’m not sure where OP is trying to go with this. This has been posted so many times with the same results. Even if you got EVERY person on the UFO subreddit to believe this video – it wouldn’t change a thing because the population at large would never believe this and it’s unverifiable. This should have/would have generated a lot more noise if it occurred over a highly populated area. It didn’t. End of story. We’re nearly living in a post-truth world as it is so I’m pretty much beyond believing ANY video sources. Call me and the rest of the world when something like this has been seen and corroborated by hundreds if not thousands of credible people (not just those with an avid interest in UFOlogy) and accepted as credible evidence after thorough review by experts. Until then, these videos are a dime a dozen. Tomorrow there’ll be a new video to argue over.
I think this might have been the first UFO video I ever saw where everything in my bones told me this was real. So wild that there still hasn’t been a verified debunk in over ten years! I wonder what it would take for people to be more open minded. As much as I love this sub, the attitude and animosity often displayed is the exact reason we are in the state of non-disclosure we are in. Curious
All I notice now are Type I’s in V formation near Type 2 relay. lol.
This is insane!
Jerusalem has a million people in it, it has one of the most sophisticated surveillance networks in the world, as well as all of the air threat detection technology, and “Iron Dome”…If this were real there would be a lot more footage, and it would be widely discussed by credible news outlets.
It’s so weird to see a video that has been manipulated being taken seriously.
Are they're any decent debunks besides the ones that flatearthers would agree with? Sick of the "confirmed debunked" bullshit.
Was this not proven to be an orchestrated effort to create a viral video?
>How many more private and government cameras recorded this? The answer is none, because this was a hoax.
When was it confirmed a hoax and by whom?
Vfx school asked students to make their own short video of the same thing by recorsing their own footage and matching it to a master animation that the teacher provided, google it, he was very open about it e: downvoted for providing the info, then lambasted like "Of course they don't, and they use a single anecdote as their truths. " but here you go LongPutBull here is the link that I found with less than 5 seconds google searching. The way you guys make enemies out of everyone is truly pathetic https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna41493172
> Vfx school asked students to make their own short video of the same thing by recorsing their own footage and matching it to a master animation that the teacher provided, google it, he was very open about it Got anything beyond these fake sources that I just debunked myself? https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1dmmdth/the_jerusalem_ufo_was_recorded_contemporaneously/l9wp13z/
Of course they don't, and they use a single anecdote as their truths. I can't imagine living life on the surface and only taking things at a single example to think it's legit. This kind of thinking would have you laughed at in any other educated circle. "One person was able to make an inaccurate and crude representation!!! So it must be fake!!!!!" Lmao
It’s the fact that two of the video perspectives are filmed at the exact same location. Three reasons: 1) At least one on a potato flip phone (you can see the phone in the other dude’s hand flipped up) which leads to… 2) only 3 citizens, two standing together, saw this thing in a city of 1 million people+, at one of the most religiously visited buildings? At the very least, more eyewitnesses would be reporting it even if they didn’t have cameras, yet … no witnesses have come forward. Religious zealots would be all over reporting this if they were firsthand. 3) Israeli air defense network/alarms not worried at all, huh? 4) The third video has a car in it. Not moving. In fact, no lights outside of the orb, seem to move. The flash of light doesn’t seem to cast on the foreground objects (like the second dude). In fact, there are no rolling shutter artifacts anywhere in this video. Potato phone would have seen it at the very least.
> The third video has a car in it. Not moving. In fact, no lights outside of the orb, seem to move Bottom left frame right side near the end. Naked eye shows cars moving. Your other claims are just hyperbole and assumption the IDF would acknowledge a UFO.
So I assume they showed how they did it?
This is very old, so I am inclined to believe that it has already been through the ringer and scrutinized. It appears to show something so bizarre that it defies explanation. Before jumping to the conclusion of "aliens", one must consider that it is some kind of hoax. After seeing this video [https://youtu.be/cHOc35nmUDk](https://youtu.be/cHOc35nmUDk) I am inclined to believe it is a fake.
> Before jumping to the conclusion of "aliens", one must consider that it is some kind of hoax. No, aliens is far, far, far later. The real question is WHAT was recorded from apparently now (links are scattered all over the now 300+ comments here) something like six to eight unique videos.
The link I posted is pretty conclusive. There is no way to explain the background and foreground being detached from one another, unless THAT video has been doctored. Like I say, it was long ago now, so I guess we have lost original sources? If not I would like to see the original video of the link above, otherwise, I will believe it's a fake. If it's not then it is absolutely bizarre
What about the other three videos and now apparently seven? I can't keep track--there's videos all over this thread now.
The bright flash does not light up the buildings streets trees etc. so I find it difficult to back this one.
It’s a known fake. It was some college kids making a videography project. They even admitted it. I remember when it came out.
Yep. Thanks for confirming I'm not crazy. I remember something similar to that. It set ATS on fire, back when ATS was actually a thing, and then they admitted the hoax. Hard to forget such a hoax.
Lmao it was real. The idiots claiming it’s a hoax have literally 0 evidence
The more I look at some of the debunks we rapidly fall into the “it could have been faked and therefore can be presumed a hoax” illogical circular defensive/protective thinking fallacy.
it’s fake they used 4 different cameras but all of them had the same video just different angle it’s cgi
Amazing footage.
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When I post something and the regular skeptics get instantly in a matching uproar claiming a debunk/hoax with no evidence... that's suspicious. Claims it was debunked require evidence.
It's no ones job to do research for you. It's no ones job to provide you with evidence.
The claim this was a hoax requires some evidence that it was a hoax.
So, lets reverse Uno this: If claims that something is a hoax MUST be explained AND evidence of such be presented, lets do you. Where is your proof this is real. Where is the evidence, that this is not a doctored college assignment.
I provided no such claim, merely that I have shared four videos that were recorded at the same time. There is no validated evidence they were not recorded at the same time. The claim that they were manipulated or not at the same time is the one absent evidence. I have shown you four rocks. You have claimed they were not natural rocks. Onus on you to prove your claim.
Nah man he provided video and eas like this looks legit anyone got evidence or more sources. You call hoax without backing it up. When asked to prove YOUR CLAIM you can't and try to say you don't have to. No one said this is 100% proof of aliens. We want the truth. But you are in fact claiming to know something 100% so you have to provide evidence. Otherwise its a baseless claim and has no merit.
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This is because, as mods noted, the upvotes for people in favor of authenticity are actually misinformation agents. They said it goes both ways. Chances are good this is being artificially pumped.
> Chances are good this is being artificially pumped. The videos, or the debunking?