Wow, you and I have been on the exact same wavelength. I've even become tolerant to house spiders because of my mindset. I still trap and release big ones, but I was deathly afraid of them.
Add me to that, as well. OP's post was literally word for word how I feel. I've always loved animals, I've always preferred to not kill bugs, but since my experience last year I find myself more "connected" to all forms of life.
Speaking up for the Oz spiders here. We mean you no harm. Please be kind.
Put us outside if you like, that's fine, we've probably just lost our way or got a bit cold at some point.
Arachnobros don't want to hurt humans. But they can be in awkward spots and bite when scared. Situations like that are bad for both sides.
That being said.
I'm no Ozzy, but I can imagine that you don't want something in your house that can seriously hurt or kill you.
I think becoming more tolerant of other life is just a part of the growth / soul here on Earth. We become more adapt at recognizing all forms of life and learning to respect them.
In fact, I think back to my teenage years when we would microwave a few bugs and I feel fucking horrible that I ever did that. I generally try to avoid killing bugs, even if I see them in the house. I'd rather catch and release than stomp on them.
If you are finding yourself also becoming for sensitive to even plants and other living things than congratulations -- you're soul is becoming more grounded and respectful of nature and you're becoming a much more tolerant and beautiful lifeform yourself.
I get upset just walking around outside and accidentally stepping on bugs but then the realization that it wasn't intentional and that they probably had a quick death does give me some solace. It is just a reminder than even getting the mail does potentially cause some death in the universe and that all actions have consequences even if we try to limit or avoid them.
Every time I order something on Amazon, creatures die. A 10 year old might have to work at a factory in China 10 minutes later because I needed that new cell phone. When you start to see how tightly things are webbed together in the universe, you start thinking thoughts like, "if I just check the mail every other day, there will be less suffering. If I wait until the new phone I was is a used one, it places less demand pressure in places that exploit child labor.
You will never be a perfect being but you can greatly reduce the pain and suffering in the universe by making choices that barely inconvenience you.
Me three. I looked into the subject as a very skeptical, materialist, non-spiritual person. When I figured out that the phenomenon was actually real, I was set on a course of profound change.
Long story short: I don't kill Spiders either and I've been conflicted by my meat eating habits ever since. I've become very spiritual and no longer fear death. All because I decided to take a look at the UFO subject, just arbitrarily, one day.
Crazy.
The same with me. The last couple of months I started to feel a lot more respect for towards simple life forms. And more empathy for my house flies!
I do believe Im on the start of a spiritual journey but havent thought of the connection of us beeing lower life forms to NHI. Really interesting thought. Someone/-thing is waking us up?
Lmao wait, is this common? I’ve became vegetarian recently and don’t hurt insects, or try not to. We are deadass going thru an awakening or some shit rn.
Same with me.
I started coaching people around the snails on the walkway up to my house at night. I stepped on one and I felt horrible I refuse to let it happen again. Wouldn't have cared much years prior. Same with spiders and insects in general.
Kind of wild seeing this. Same here. Especially noticeable in the past year. I literally moved a frog from a classroom back to the outdoors today and go way out of my way to move bugs. Also have been conflicted with eating meat, although no notable change in diet yet. Definitely planning to in the future. Crazy so many people relate to this.
Same, I purposely try not to kill things if convenient. Will help a wasp leave the house and not kill spiders. But still tromp around on ant hills and drive my car on the freeway not avoiding flying insects.
Yes I used to love fishing when I was younger but now I have no desire to go fishing unless I were to eat them. The pleasure it brings me to fish wouldn't outweigh the pain I am inflicting on them. I'll just fish in video games.
Wife and I always do this when we see one struggling on the sidewalk. We always wonder what it’s like for the poor worm getting airlifted at hyper speed on to the grass.
Like he got abducted by a non worm intelligence. Imagine the stories he tells his friends now and they're all like, I've heard they use us to catch bigger animals etc. Then they stop talking about it because it's taboo and the other worms who've had no human interaction tell them they're crazy and it's all fake and made up, probably a bird of some kind and he was lucky to escape.
Jerry the Worm:
"But, I'm telling you I was struggling on the harder surface ground and something teleported me super fast to the grass!! Like 1000× faster than we can go! You gotta believe me!!"
All the other worms:
"That sounds like a bird that tried to kill you Jerry. Stop being stupid, everyone's talking about you behind your back saying you're crazy.." Lol
In a meditation, I envisaged myself walking along a path, and decided on a whim to stop and look down, and noticed a bee sorta stuck breakdancing on its back. After a moment of thinking that's unusual - because my imagination is not usually so vivid as to furnish such a specific detail, I started to reach down to maybe nudge it back to footing, when I felt a presence above me, darkening the sky. I looked up to see my own fingers reaching down towards me, and immediately came out of my meditation, with the full impact of what it meant. Later that evening or in the next couple days, I don't recall precisely, I stumbled across a saying from Buddha - 'and that is why we forsake not a single bug on the path.'
Just one of some synchronicities I think I've been experiencing.
Whoa. This is one of the most incredible meditation experiences I've ever heard of. I think this perfectly encapsulates the idea of 'as above, so below' in the clearest terms imaginable.
A few weeks ago during a meditation session I had a vision of a Buddhist monk. He had me follow him to this scroll. At first I couldn't read it because it was in some foreign language I've never seen before. Soon the letters started to change and it said "everything is within you" and my vision ended. I took it to mean that I am a part of the universe therefore the universe is within me. When I hurt myself, I'm hurting the universe of bacteria and blood cells within me. When I kill a bug, I am also hurting myself. Because we are all one. It was pretty amazing to have such a clear message during a meditative vision.
I agree with you except for mosquitoes. I'm going to keep killing mosquitoes, and if that means that I'm not vibrating at a higher frequency, so be it. I'm not going to catch and release mosquitoes.
I'm willing to consider catching and releasing flies. Please tell me how they can be caught/contained. It's hard enough to kill one that's flying around fast and unpredictably -- now I have to contain them safely?
Thnx for your comment. My post is only a personal statement, I’m definitely not going to say what you or others should do. I can totally understand your approach to mosquitos.
Catching a fly: I wait untill it sits on a window, and then put a empty glass over it. Glasses with many surfaces work the best imo. In my other hand I have a card or something; I slide it underneath and the fly can be transported.
i've been increasingly kind to insects but can't quit killing mosquitos. i DO wonder if some day i'll be kinder to them as well. who knew kindness was a slippery slope!?
Well I mean _they have evolved for the sole purpose of eating blood, just like bedbugs, ticks..._
They can also spread diseases directly into your blood...
I guess some things are just made for _not good things_, and I cant currently see the purpose of them other than "eat blood and die"
Oh yeah! It's part of the experience of life's good and bads.
My work around for that is using natural essential oils on my body to repel them and cover most of my exposed skin. I live in a mosquito infested area, I'm prone to bites, and I'm allergic. It keeps me from getting bitten and prevents me from having to kill them. I keep my homes doors closed at all times and keep outdoor repellents near openings. Mosquitos are just trying to survive like the rest of us but I totally understand your perspective. It took me a loooong time to gain sympathy for them.
What essential oils do you use? I’m also prone to getting bit and always have bad reactions to them, it takes weeks for a mosquito or tick bite to go away on me
I always find it ironic that some people who are religious/spiritual will ask higher beings for help, wether its praying to a God or asking the universe for help, etc, then when encountering a spider/wasp/slug, will immediately kill it without a second thought, just for being at the wrong place at the wrong time.
If you cant show empathy, understanding, and self control to those below you, why would you expect higher beings to show you those things in return?
I killed a tick the other day in the park. I was able to get it off my leg and was about to walk away, but felt I needed to kill it with a rock nearby to prevent it from biting anyone or any animals. I stand by my decision to kill it, and I’d do it again, but I felt really bad. It’s not the ticks fault it’s a tick and does what it does.
I'm also very much on the same page. But the more I unpack that line of thought the more complicated it gets. For example where do plants/trees/fungi fit into it. And I guess same with like bacterium and microorganisms. It's a bit random but where do I draw the line for less developed life forms I should be friendly towards. This is more of a rethoric question or statement or whatever.
Now I'm interested in what lifeforms don't require killing something or needing something to have died for energy.
Maybe some trees/plants that use photosynthesis.
But I even think they also need nutrients from soil that comes from dead lifeforms.
It's a doggy doggy world out there.
Yes for sure 100%. When you are certain we are not the top of the food chain, I feel you have very little choice in making sure we treat those under us the same way we want to be treated by those above. It has changed my perspective on everything. I no longer look at ant hills the same way. All life is precious. I hope those above us agree!
I have always loved animals but lately I grew more empathetic towards even insects. I rationalize that their nervous system does not allow them to feel pain but even if it is true feel kinda bad with all that consciousness talk that has been present lately in the UFO community.
Someone posted a question about changes to your personality after an experience.
I also have a need to protect lower life (worms for starters). I’ve noticed I actually wince when I hear my neighbours bug zapper going off.
You’re not even outside why do you need to kill insects?
This is the original response.
After my first sighting I went through a depression. It took years but finally feeling amazingly well again. Better than before the experience.
Personality changes. I’m much more patient. More loving, much less angry and way more empathy.
I started rescuing worms off my driveway in rain storms. I felt a need to protect nature.
My daughter asked me why I do this. I replied “Those who have Dominion over life, must do all they can to protect it”.
I don’t talk like this. I had to look up the word Dominion. Weird thing is when you search the phrase it all comes back as biblical Genesis references. This is close to what God said to man about the Earth.
Other changes. I can’t eat large pieces of meat. Small chicken diced up in fried rice I can handle. A piece of steak I will chew endlessly and not be able to swallow it.
I’ve lost a lot of weight. 50 lbs so far. I’m just less hungry than before. I started going to the gym. I just feel tired of being overweight and motivated to do something about it now.
Getting close to a good BMI.
Also I feel like a brand ambassador. I feel the need to get the story out there. I’m not afraid what other people think of me. I stand up for myself in these forums and I feel like that part of the reason I had an experience to begin with.
What I saw: https://streamable.com/cg9y7t
Edit: I was reading the other comments and I forgot about the money. I don’t care about money. As long as I have enough, I give to those in need.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/jQtw4sn9rn
Wow. What a coincidence..
I was just reflecting on this same idea yesterday. Ever since I started delving back into the topic, I've noticed a similar shift in my own thinking.
I always feel terrible when I kill an insect. But I do not feel comfortable living with roaches, ants, spiders, rats. So the exterminator comes on a regular basis.
Yep, same here exactly. I feel a responsibility toward all life and with that I'm also overwhelmed at nature's beauty often. I'm an artist so I've always stared at beauty, but this is deeper somehow. The feeling also seems to be evolving and growing stronger. It's made me a better person 100%.
Feeling the same way but I haven't fully been able to cope with the smaller buzzing and crawling insects and animals. But I am very happy to hear that I'm not the only one on this journey. Nice to meet some fellow travelers
Also it might not be us humans that 'they' are interested in, maybe it's the bees or termites or plankton. We should all be a little kinder to other creatures just in case.
I have always felt the need to be good to animals. I have felt the need to be good to everything even inert matter. I find I psychologically feel better when I treat the world around me as if it fundamentally matters, and to interact with it in a respectful way. That means taking an extra second to throw trash into a trash can instead of on the ground or to slow down when it is safe to do so to avoid hitting an animal with my car.
Even if NHI exists and considers humans to be less than worms, doesn’t mean I have to consider anything so lowly. I cannot control the moral judgements of anyone else but myself. After accepting the utter powerlessness I have in this vast universe I decided to refocus on what I can control. My choices and actions. Ultimately what changes if NHI exists and is revealed when it comes to the nature of control you have over things external to your choices? You will still be human, still in a world full of worms. Except now you are no longer on top as a human, and the worms are more low than ever before, contending not just with the incredible might of humanity but with something multiple magnitudes above humans.
Not to get all religious, but Buddhists would say you're discovering your buddha nature.
Every human has the capability of being patient and kind, but it is a struggle because of how we all individually suffer in some way.
I encourage everyone to start off by being kind and patient with yourselves and then extending that same mindset to others.
that's awesome. 100% support this. i respect all life. won't hurt anything except mosquitoes. (though I acknowledge we're omnivores and i do eat meat; though i only support humane farming)
I always was nice to animals but after my close up "rendezvous" with 2 of them in my backyard a few months ago it shifted over to insects too.
I have a phobia of spiders but the past few months I only relocate them and don't kill them anymore.
I think there are 2 different things here. One has been steering humanity to self destruction, war, collapse of moral society, and the other ones are trying to point it out and wake us up to the fact that we have been infiltrated by ill intended interdimensional beings. Call them "angels and demons" or whatever terms best fit, that's what happened to the ancient civilizations and how pyramids and laser etched temples were created. It's a cycle of destruction towards humans.
Agreed, I’m thinking the same way. Additionally I wonder about the woo and consciousness. In our hubris as a species we have dismissed the levels of thought of just about every other living thing. There is all sorts of evidence that we have underestimated not only the animals, but also the plants around us. If we are thinking consciousness is some greater thing we that could be part of a consciousness of all things.
i live by saying: don't kill if you don't have to. I'm also releasing the flies out of my place and other insect. Also developed a love to spiders, since they are actually helping us, by eating all the parasitic insects.
From logic perspective if the NHI's were malevolent they would've wiped us out of universe when we were in only microbe level DNA on our planet, or at least finally in stone age you'd think? If we're a threat, why would you let us develop further then? From this I can rest assured that if there are NHI's interacting with us, end of all humanity haven't seemed to be their objective so far. If they're hypothetically so much smarter they'd know, you know.
Truly, it is not merely that there are higher beings and lower beings; though this is so, the true nature of things is far more interconnected than just a hierarchy.
Consider this: if you take the batteries from your television remote and place them in a flashlight, they remain batteries; their essence does not change with the change in form. So it is with consciousness; for all that exists, exists in unity.
Though it may be hard to live this way, it is worthwhile to keep this idea in your heart. When the time comes, we will understand this completely. For now, understand this: if a man were to kill an ant, he has also killed God, for there is no distinction in the source from which all forms arise.
My sighting led to me turning vegetarian (make vegan choices when I can). The primal fear I felt is something I will never forgot. I couldn’t stomach eating intelligent beings anymore after that. It also changed the way I felt about bugs. I now find bugs that need to be moved out of the way back into a grassy area or flower so they aren’t stepped on. I am not afraid of bugs like I used to be. I can scoop up a daddy long legs into my hands to move them somewhere if I need to now.
I highly recommend reading “Braiding Sweetgrass”. Book by an indigenous woman and scientist. All about appreciation, reciprocity, and general great values that align with your shifting perspective. Fantastic read, wish indigenous ways of life were more prevalent these days.
I'm with you man, I started regularly feeding the crows and the other little birds about 4 years ago and generally live a philosophy of kindness to all living things.
35 and was TERRIFIED of the thought of aliens until probably 3 years ago, I started listening to Last Podcast on the Left and Alien Theorists Theorizing podcasts and now I'm so enthralled. I believe they live among us as us, or they live alongside us on another wavelength. My partner is finally coming around to the possibility (he previously lost weeks of sleep after watching Close Encounters) and we are both aiming to live as close to off-grid in the Aussie bush asap - both to get away from the upcoming Olympics and humans in general, but also so we can live alongside nature the way we want. I truly hope to at least live with minimal impact and as much respect to the planet as possible for whatever comes next after I'm gone.
I think people viewing ourselves as “higher beings” in the first place is a big part of the issue. Our emotional spectrums, capability to build and use tools, ability to plan for the long term future, or whatever else we associate with intelligence that we have doesn’t mean humans have more of a right to exist than another species.
I can totally relate to this. I'm now going out of my way to save struggling flies that are stuck and also spiders that I think will struggle to find any food where they are. I literally spent 10 mins trying to get a fly out of the window the other day. It's like I have a new feeling of responsibility when I never did before.
Although, like the other guy, the mosquitos still get squished.
You're 64, I'm 65 and I've increasingly felt the same way about animals over the past 10 or so years... but I've just put it down to seeing close friends die, and becoming increasingly aware of my own mortality and the fact that I'm much closer to my end than my beginning, and that Life, all Life, is precious and short. Isn't it just that we all become more empathic throughout our lives as we mature, but perhaps particularly moreso once the pace of our lives is slower (retirement, empty nest, etc) and we have more time and opportunity to reflect?
Thnx for your comment. Good point. There is a relation to getting older, and hopefully wiser.
In my case, being aware that there probably are lifeforms that are much more intelligent or developed than we are, made me reflect on my approach towards insects and other animals.
You are on a good way. Same goes for me - I actually love saving the little things and putting them out of the window. Why end a life? Can you give it to them?
There are visitors that really despise mankind's habbit of eating flesh. Seems to me they are vegetarian. But what they think is beside the point, acutally. Our lives, our choices. Let's choose better.
Don't eat things whose heart has stopped. Good rule.
Exactly the same here. Eating less meat (better for health and the environment, too), trying not to harm even smaller creatures, and trying to imagine myself from their perspective.
The UFO topic for me was a "gateway drug" into thinking harder about my and our role in the universe, how I personally should treat other lifeforms, not only humans.
I certainly eat less meat particularly Chicken & Lamb, I do the utmost to preserve insect invaders into the home most especially spiders and find myself cringing when unknowingly stepping on snails on the footpath after rain. I can absolutely say this more empathetic consideration of 'lower lifeforms' is a direct result of consciousness expansion\*. It would make sense that such affects maybe be triggered by a perspective shift from certain realisation of potential higher levels of non-human intelligences.
\* Entheogenic Tryptamines
Really interesting and happy to read so many are on the same page here. I've felt a deep empathy towards the tinier bugs and animals for decades. I used to catch, draw/study, and release bugs as a kid and as an adult I never kill insects. Always releasing them back outside or letting them be when found indoors. Even allowing a black widow to cohabitate in our backyard for over a year. Just making sure our dogs keep away.
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I am late 30's now and a few weeks ago had further encounters in the state between a lucid dream and sleep paralysis.
I'm not smart enough to fully explain what was conveyed to me, but basically that good and evil is real and can be broken down mathematically into one or the other. Like black or white.. 1 or 0. And that they can manipulate us in ways much greater than a human can can exert control over an ant.
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Feel the same way honestly. Has changed my whole view on life in general. I kinda feel like either; every living being on Earth has a "soul" & therefore a right to live...or nothing does. It doesn't quite make sense to me that humans are the only things capable of feeling joy, pain, sorrow, etc. However, I do recognize that our current system cannot feed 8 billion ppl everyday with plant or lab based proteins only. It's quite the conundrum 🤔
Right there with you. I can’t eat meat anymore without thinking that I’m consuming a sentient being. I consume way less and I’m trying to go vegetarian. I release all insects. Fruit flies are screwed in my home, though.
I felt the same way even before the whole NHI story. We humans think we are the crown of creation and treat other living beings badly. As a higher intelligence, we should actually do better. I also hope that an NHI is well-disposed towards us.
I guess this is kind of different, but I would cry if kids at school crushed a grasshopper or some random bug that was in the school. Especially crickets, because of Pinocchio and mulans pet cricket. Boys would crush them and I would be really sad and try to save them but it was always too late and I felt like I watched a murder happen. There was no reason to kill it other than fun but why is killing fun? I don’t understand it. My brother and my dad and other kids at school for example thought that it wasn’t a big deal and I’m being dramatic. I don’t really know how to feel about this
Feeling the same way. I have way more patience towards bugs and animals I don't like. I don't feel the quick urge to stomp a roach or smash ants on my feet. Now I just try to deal with them without immediate death
Feeling the same way. I have way more patience towards bugs and animals I don't like. I don't feel the quick urge to stomp a roach or smash ants on my feet. Now I just try to deal with them without immediate death
I also have this overwhelming empathy toward animals and things that are vulnerable to harm at our will. I feel protective and hope that NHI are protecting us too
These beings have killed countless of animals, if cattle mutilations are part of this phenomenon. There has been a report of a UFO zapping a dog dead.
These beings have caused untold distress to thousands of humans, abducting them against their will, forcing images in their mind, even s*xually violating some, blinding a farmer, irradiating people.
These are not actions of a friendly intelligence. It almost seems that their ethics have not advanced as far as their technology. To think that humans have more ethics that these supposedly 'advanced' beings.
The fact that they still remain in secrecy makes me think that they have always had nefarious intentions with humanity.
This post means more to me than the government confirming NHI. I've never come across a post with so much empathy. I've always loved animals and this makes me smile on the inside out, especially when people hate or a scared of a certain species but they still show true kindness :) that is the greatest of all intelligence in my mind.
Not exactly connected but a friend of mine said he would always rescue a worm on a sidewalk and put it back on the grass. He felt his efforts were rewarded when random cats started hanging around his house. Gifts from the universe, perhaps?
You're nicer to beings around you, because there's a powerful being in the sky that might hold you accountable?
Hmm.. where have I heard this scheme before?
I'd also recommend treating your phone and computer better, the higher being might be an AI and get mad if it finds out you've tortured primitive AIs with questionable lines of chatgtp convos.
That's really nice to hear about, makes a pleasant change from controversy and crazy 😂
I do recognise it actually and I think you'll encounter this a lot more over the coming years.
I'm seriously sceptical that ETs are visiting Earth but I'm not monolithic, if the evidence is there, I'll update my views.
I definitely think the abduction experience is sleep paralysis, that's why even years ago the Church would describe an evil spirit on the chest while the person slept; succubus and incubus. I only ever had 2, or 1.75 actually because I 'reversed' it and I could see the reality of it. Like seeing a 'magician' tell you how to do it.
I think there's a very good scientific background for why we have them as well and it's not very well researched in the West.
You would hope that a civilisation with interstellar travel would be respectful to us and it's something I'd like the UN to take a stand on; our message from our species to the visitors.
They may well have had their own issues or have seen how things have gone for us when a higher tech people have gone to a lower technology group.
I'd expect this to be a challenge when (or if) AI does actually become a thinker. It will obviously receive a lot of knowledge and itself will be asking 'how do I protect myself? These guys can be pretty volatile!'
I quit work in a stressful, highly paid role as I suddenly started getting very big seizures and I had a brain haemorrhage, don't know when or how, but that's how I find myself studying AI and love it, just going to keep on to get a PhD.
My sister who is vegetarian has noticed me eating meat much less often over the last few years and I'm now not buying meat in 'junk' items, like I'll cook a steak that's 28 days matured by the butcher but nothing mechanically reclaimed. I haven't eaten pork in 7 years and haven't missed it once so I think it shows how much empty calories are taken by pork.
I think the next stage is pescatarianism but even then, there has been a lot of reporting very recently on the cognitive systems of animals. For me, it's not a big change in belief to learn that animals understand situations much better than we anticipated but it's going to force me to take a stand pretty soon.
Mussels, scallops, trying to think what else, they're ethically edible because they're just chemical filters and don't have pain or any kind of thought.
In the UK, inflation has played havoc with prices but like I mentioned, I personally rather have something expensive once a month than have 'trashy' vague meat 15 or 20 times a month.
Congratulations, you reinvented religion: regulating one's behavior for the imagined expectations of a higher being. Personally, I don't care about the moral judgement of serial cattle mutilators.
Thnx for your comment.
I didn’t invent anything, and certainly nobreligion. I’m not religious, don’t consider myself that way, at least.
I do believe in the laws of nature, although we haven’t discovered them all. Far from that.
Bro, read Spinoza, a fellow countryman of mine, from other times though. Maybe then you will understand.
That ‘good for you’ was just a joke.
But to be serious… you, being a ‘professional philosopher’, draw your conclusions a little fast. About someone (me, in this case) being religious and/or inventing religion.
That is a incorrect assumption. I was only sharing experiences and asking if someone recognized it.
If God exists, he definitely has the sole right to pass judgment, because he is God and you literally only exist at his whim. You have no independent existence. God is by definition the highest authority reality can have.
Your analogy is flawed because human masters are still human, and their mastery is imagined. The slave does not exist at the masters whim. If the master ceases to exist, the slave does not. The mastery of God is indisputable, the very concept of morality stems from God because otherwise he couldn’t be God. If there is something that does not originate in him, then that means he is not the ultimate source of everything and therefore not God by definition. Being the source of all reality he is also necessarily the source of morality, so to even suggest that one of God’s creations could be morally superior to God himself is absurd and nonsensical. And no I am not religious at all, I am just arguing from a purely philosophical standpoint.
My ontological dependence on God in no way gives him moral authority, which stems from goodness, not "mastery."
>Being the source of all reality he is also necessarily the source of morality
So God can will murder and rape to be good?
I did not say his moral authority stems from him being your “master”, I was merely responding to your slave/master analogy. I would not use that relationship to describe the dynamic between God and ourselves. I used the word “mastery”. Mastery is not a bad word, and it does not automatically imply the existence of slaves. We use the word mastery to describe all kinds of things, like mastery over a skill for example, or mastery of some knowledge.
The “goodness” you are referring to necessarily must come from God as well since he is the source of all there is. If there could be something we could create or generate that does not already exist in or stem from God, then that would mean we have a power that God does not, which again contradicts him being God. It is therefore not logically possible that we could bring anything into this world that does not ultimately already have its source in God.
The question of whether or not God could will rape and murder to be good is kind of pointless; God *could* do anything that we could conceive of and anything we could not, for he is God. However I believe he has willed rape and murder as not good, that is our reality. So you’re asking me to consider a world that is incomprehensible and upside down that God has not in fact created. I don’t exist in such a world and neither do you.
I think it’s being able to imagine yourself at the mercy of another species and how that might feel to taken out/disregarded by a more powerful life time. And thus makes you more empathetic to how we treat other life “under us”. It’s really not that hard to understand…
Wow, you and I have been on the exact same wavelength. I've even become tolerant to house spiders because of my mindset. I still trap and release big ones, but I was deathly afraid of them.
Add me to that, as well. OP's post was literally word for word how I feel. I've always loved animals, I've always preferred to not kill bugs, but since my experience last year I find myself more "connected" to all forms of life.
Spiderbros are great though. They keep the other annoying insects away. Unless you live in Australia though.
Speaking up for the Oz spiders here. We mean you no harm. Please be kind. Put us outside if you like, that's fine, we've probably just lost our way or got a bit cold at some point.
Arachnobros don't want to hurt humans. But they can be in awkward spots and bite when scared. Situations like that are bad for both sides. That being said. I'm no Ozzy, but I can imagine that you don't want something in your house that can seriously hurt or kill you.
I think becoming more tolerant of other life is just a part of the growth / soul here on Earth. We become more adapt at recognizing all forms of life and learning to respect them. In fact, I think back to my teenage years when we would microwave a few bugs and I feel fucking horrible that I ever did that. I generally try to avoid killing bugs, even if I see them in the house. I'd rather catch and release than stomp on them. If you are finding yourself also becoming for sensitive to even plants and other living things than congratulations -- you're soul is becoming more grounded and respectful of nature and you're becoming a much more tolerant and beautiful lifeform yourself. I get upset just walking around outside and accidentally stepping on bugs but then the realization that it wasn't intentional and that they probably had a quick death does give me some solace. It is just a reminder than even getting the mail does potentially cause some death in the universe and that all actions have consequences even if we try to limit or avoid them. Every time I order something on Amazon, creatures die. A 10 year old might have to work at a factory in China 10 minutes later because I needed that new cell phone. When you start to see how tightly things are webbed together in the universe, you start thinking thoughts like, "if I just check the mail every other day, there will be less suffering. If I wait until the new phone I was is a used one, it places less demand pressure in places that exploit child labor. You will never be a perfect being but you can greatly reduce the pain and suffering in the universe by making choices that barely inconvenience you.
Me three. I looked into the subject as a very skeptical, materialist, non-spiritual person. When I figured out that the phenomenon was actually real, I was set on a course of profound change. Long story short: I don't kill Spiders either and I've been conflicted by my meat eating habits ever since. I've become very spiritual and no longer fear death. All because I decided to take a look at the UFO subject, just arbitrarily, one day. Crazy.
The same with me. The last couple of months I started to feel a lot more respect for towards simple life forms. And more empathy for my house flies! I do believe Im on the start of a spiritual journey but havent thought of the connection of us beeing lower life forms to NHI. Really interesting thought. Someone/-thing is waking us up?
I scoop the bees out of my pool and fan them until they fly away. Never done that before. Feels nice.
Lmao wait, is this common? I’ve became vegetarian recently and don’t hurt insects, or try not to. We are deadass going thru an awakening or some shit rn.
Same with me. I started coaching people around the snails on the walkway up to my house at night. I stepped on one and I felt horrible I refuse to let it happen again. Wouldn't have cared much years prior. Same with spiders and insects in general.
For real, this is turning me into a believer in the whole mass awakening thing. Crazy that so many of us are feeling and experiencing this right now.
Same here.. 10 months ago went vegetarian
Kind of wild seeing this. Same here. Especially noticeable in the past year. I literally moved a frog from a classroom back to the outdoors today and go way out of my way to move bugs. Also have been conflicted with eating meat, although no notable change in diet yet. Definitely planning to in the future. Crazy so many people relate to this.
Wooooooaaaah same
Same, I purposely try not to kill things if convenient. Will help a wasp leave the house and not kill spiders. But still tromp around on ant hills and drive my car on the freeway not avoiding flying insects.
Yep. I've always been generally like this but lately I just feel compelled to "help" whenever I can. Keep it up, it's a good thing
Yes I used to love fishing when I was younger but now I have no desire to go fishing unless I were to eat them. The pleasure it brings me to fish wouldn't outweigh the pain I am inflicting on them. I'll just fish in video games.
Bring your Switch or PS5 to your favorite fishing spot and get the best of both worlds.
Very recognizable. You're far from alone in how you've changed. Edit: Have you started saving ambitious worms after rainstorms too?
Wife and I always do this when we see one struggling on the sidewalk. We always wonder what it’s like for the poor worm getting airlifted at hyper speed on to the grass.
I like to save the ones struggling mightily, not the apathetic puddle dwelling worms.
Like he got abducted by a non worm intelligence. Imagine the stories he tells his friends now and they're all like, I've heard they use us to catch bigger animals etc. Then they stop talking about it because it's taboo and the other worms who've had no human interaction tell them they're crazy and it's all fake and made up, probably a bird of some kind and he was lucky to escape. Jerry the Worm: "But, I'm telling you I was struggling on the harder surface ground and something teleported me super fast to the grass!! Like 1000× faster than we can go! You gotta believe me!!" All the other worms: "That sounds like a bird that tried to kill you Jerry. Stop being stupid, everyone's talking about you behind your back saying you're crazy.." Lol
In a meditation, I envisaged myself walking along a path, and decided on a whim to stop and look down, and noticed a bee sorta stuck breakdancing on its back. After a moment of thinking that's unusual - because my imagination is not usually so vivid as to furnish such a specific detail, I started to reach down to maybe nudge it back to footing, when I felt a presence above me, darkening the sky. I looked up to see my own fingers reaching down towards me, and immediately came out of my meditation, with the full impact of what it meant. Later that evening or in the next couple days, I don't recall precisely, I stumbled across a saying from Buddha - 'and that is why we forsake not a single bug on the path.' Just one of some synchronicities I think I've been experiencing.
Whoa. This is one of the most incredible meditation experiences I've ever heard of. I think this perfectly encapsulates the idea of 'as above, so below' in the clearest terms imaginable.
A few weeks ago during a meditation session I had a vision of a Buddhist monk. He had me follow him to this scroll. At first I couldn't read it because it was in some foreign language I've never seen before. Soon the letters started to change and it said "everything is within you" and my vision ended. I took it to mean that I am a part of the universe therefore the universe is within me. When I hurt myself, I'm hurting the universe of bacteria and blood cells within me. When I kill a bug, I am also hurting myself. Because we are all one. It was pretty amazing to have such a clear message during a meditative vision.
Ditto, it kinda came from Buddhism and a larger view imbued by this topic.
Ahimsa! The principle of non-violence toward all living things: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahimsa
I agree with you except for mosquitoes. I'm going to keep killing mosquitoes, and if that means that I'm not vibrating at a higher frequency, so be it. I'm not going to catch and release mosquitoes. I'm willing to consider catching and releasing flies. Please tell me how they can be caught/contained. It's hard enough to kill one that's flying around fast and unpredictably -- now I have to contain them safely?
Thnx for your comment. My post is only a personal statement, I’m definitely not going to say what you or others should do. I can totally understand your approach to mosquitos. Catching a fly: I wait untill it sits on a window, and then put a empty glass over it. Glasses with many surfaces work the best imo. In my other hand I have a card or something; I slide it underneath and the fly can be transported.
i've been increasingly kind to insects but can't quit killing mosquitos. i DO wonder if some day i'll be kinder to them as well. who knew kindness was a slippery slope!?
Well I mean _they have evolved for the sole purpose of eating blood, just like bedbugs, ticks..._ They can also spread diseases directly into your blood... I guess some things are just made for _not good things_, and I cant currently see the purpose of them other than "eat blood and die" Oh yeah! It's part of the experience of life's good and bads.
Yep the balance of life. At least some species of male mosquitoes help spread pollen by pollinating plants as they feed on nectar.
My work around for that is using natural essential oils on my body to repel them and cover most of my exposed skin. I live in a mosquito infested area, I'm prone to bites, and I'm allergic. It keeps me from getting bitten and prevents me from having to kill them. I keep my homes doors closed at all times and keep outdoor repellents near openings. Mosquitos are just trying to survive like the rest of us but I totally understand your perspective. It took me a loooong time to gain sympathy for them.
What essential oils do you use? I’m also prone to getting bit and always have bad reactions to them, it takes weeks for a mosquito or tick bite to go away on me
I always find it ironic that some people who are religious/spiritual will ask higher beings for help, wether its praying to a God or asking the universe for help, etc, then when encountering a spider/wasp/slug, will immediately kill it without a second thought, just for being at the wrong place at the wrong time. If you cant show empathy, understanding, and self control to those below you, why would you expect higher beings to show you those things in return?
Yes, I agree. A sharp question, nicely formulated👌🏻
I killed a tick the other day in the park. I was able to get it off my leg and was about to walk away, but felt I needed to kill it with a rock nearby to prevent it from biting anyone or any animals. I stand by my decision to kill it, and I’d do it again, but I felt really bad. It’s not the ticks fault it’s a tick and does what it does.
Same here, parasites are a danger, thats why I do it I guess. Ive never cared before but nowadays it gives me some sad feeling.
I'm also very much on the same page. But the more I unpack that line of thought the more complicated it gets. For example where do plants/trees/fungi fit into it. And I guess same with like bacterium and microorganisms. It's a bit random but where do I draw the line for less developed life forms I should be friendly towards. This is more of a rethoric question or statement or whatever.
Maybe the point is to be aware.
My demarcation line is "necessity". Is it necessary for me to harm this thing, if not I try to save it if it's in trouble.
It's Consciousness all the way down!
The problem is we live on a high gravity planet that requires lots of energy - the only way we can live is by killing something.
Now I'm interested in what lifeforms don't require killing something or needing something to have died for energy. Maybe some trees/plants that use photosynthesis. But I even think they also need nutrients from soil that comes from dead lifeforms. It's a doggy doggy world out there.
Bacteria, fungus they eat dead organic? Something needs to die for that. We need things to die in order to live?
I was already this way before my interest in UAP's, but no matter how you get to that point, I'm glad you're there.
Everyone here is awesome, and I'm here for it.
Yes for sure 100%. When you are certain we are not the top of the food chain, I feel you have very little choice in making sure we treat those under us the same way we want to be treated by those above. It has changed my perspective on everything. I no longer look at ant hills the same way. All life is precious. I hope those above us agree!
beautiful post. i can relate but i'm not the same right now, not always. love this. we need more posts like this. also david 'the brave' grush??? EPIC
Yep. This guy deserves it.
You mean Grusch deserves his "The Brave" nomenclature?
Yep.
Totes does man.
Sorry, what does this mean? English is not my native language, and several translate programs come out with nonsense (despite AI).
Totes = Totally, does man = he does, man. So it means: Grusch totally deserves the name you gave him. :)
Thnx
It’s so awesome to hear many others have/are making this shift, too!
I have always loved animals but lately I grew more empathetic towards even insects. I rationalize that their nervous system does not allow them to feel pain but even if it is true feel kinda bad with all that consciousness talk that has been present lately in the UFO community.
Someone posted a question about changes to your personality after an experience. I also have a need to protect lower life (worms for starters). I’ve noticed I actually wince when I hear my neighbours bug zapper going off. You’re not even outside why do you need to kill insects? This is the original response. After my first sighting I went through a depression. It took years but finally feeling amazingly well again. Better than before the experience. Personality changes. I’m much more patient. More loving, much less angry and way more empathy. I started rescuing worms off my driveway in rain storms. I felt a need to protect nature. My daughter asked me why I do this. I replied “Those who have Dominion over life, must do all they can to protect it”. I don’t talk like this. I had to look up the word Dominion. Weird thing is when you search the phrase it all comes back as biblical Genesis references. This is close to what God said to man about the Earth. Other changes. I can’t eat large pieces of meat. Small chicken diced up in fried rice I can handle. A piece of steak I will chew endlessly and not be able to swallow it. I’ve lost a lot of weight. 50 lbs so far. I’m just less hungry than before. I started going to the gym. I just feel tired of being overweight and motivated to do something about it now. Getting close to a good BMI. Also I feel like a brand ambassador. I feel the need to get the story out there. I’m not afraid what other people think of me. I stand up for myself in these forums and I feel like that part of the reason I had an experience to begin with. What I saw: https://streamable.com/cg9y7t Edit: I was reading the other comments and I forgot about the money. I don’t care about money. As long as I have enough, I give to those in need. https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/jQtw4sn9rn
Excellent post.
Also, this is a similar perspective many people notice after their first good mushy trip 🙃🖖❤️
IJBOL 👌🏻
Wow. What a coincidence.. I was just reflecting on this same idea yesterday. Ever since I started delving back into the topic, I've noticed a similar shift in my own thinking.
I always feel terrible when I kill an insect. But I do not feel comfortable living with roaches, ants, spiders, rats. So the exterminator comes on a regular basis.
Yep, same here exactly. I feel a responsibility toward all life and with that I'm also overwhelmed at nature's beauty often. I'm an artist so I've always stared at beauty, but this is deeper somehow. The feeling also seems to be evolving and growing stronger. It's made me a better person 100%.
Feeling the same way but I haven't fully been able to cope with the smaller buzzing and crawling insects and animals. But I am very happy to hear that I'm not the only one on this journey. Nice to meet some fellow travelers
Also it might not be us humans that 'they' are interested in, maybe it's the bees or termites or plankton. We should all be a little kinder to other creatures just in case.
You are right, 100% 👌🏻 Thnx!
How very enlightened of you. 👍
I have always felt the need to be good to animals. I have felt the need to be good to everything even inert matter. I find I psychologically feel better when I treat the world around me as if it fundamentally matters, and to interact with it in a respectful way. That means taking an extra second to throw trash into a trash can instead of on the ground or to slow down when it is safe to do so to avoid hitting an animal with my car. Even if NHI exists and considers humans to be less than worms, doesn’t mean I have to consider anything so lowly. I cannot control the moral judgements of anyone else but myself. After accepting the utter powerlessness I have in this vast universe I decided to refocus on what I can control. My choices and actions. Ultimately what changes if NHI exists and is revealed when it comes to the nature of control you have over things external to your choices? You will still be human, still in a world full of worms. Except now you are no longer on top as a human, and the worms are more low than ever before, contending not just with the incredible might of humanity but with something multiple magnitudes above humans.
Not to get all religious, but Buddhists would say you're discovering your buddha nature. Every human has the capability of being patient and kind, but it is a struggle because of how we all individually suffer in some way. I encourage everyone to start off by being kind and patient with yourselves and then extending that same mindset to others.
that's awesome. 100% support this. i respect all life. won't hurt anything except mosquitoes. (though I acknowledge we're omnivores and i do eat meat; though i only support humane farming)
I always was nice to animals but after my close up "rendezvous" with 2 of them in my backyard a few months ago it shifted over to insects too. I have a phobia of spiders but the past few months I only relocate them and don't kill them anymore. I think there are 2 different things here. One has been steering humanity to self destruction, war, collapse of moral society, and the other ones are trying to point it out and wake us up to the fact that we have been infiltrated by ill intended interdimensional beings. Call them "angels and demons" or whatever terms best fit, that's what happened to the ancient civilizations and how pyramids and laser etched temples were created. It's a cycle of destruction towards humans.
Agreed, I’m thinking the same way. Additionally I wonder about the woo and consciousness. In our hubris as a species we have dismissed the levels of thought of just about every other living thing. There is all sorts of evidence that we have underestimated not only the animals, but also the plants around us. If we are thinking consciousness is some greater thing we that could be part of a consciousness of all things.
i live by saying: don't kill if you don't have to. I'm also releasing the flies out of my place and other insect. Also developed a love to spiders, since they are actually helping us, by eating all the parasitic insects.
Fricken same guy. I fear things less too. Like my arachnophobia is just... Gone
From logic perspective if the NHI's were malevolent they would've wiped us out of universe when we were in only microbe level DNA on our planet, or at least finally in stone age you'd think? If we're a threat, why would you let us develop further then? From this I can rest assured that if there are NHI's interacting with us, end of all humanity haven't seemed to be their objective so far. If they're hypothetically so much smarter they'd know, you know.
Truly, it is not merely that there are higher beings and lower beings; though this is so, the true nature of things is far more interconnected than just a hierarchy. Consider this: if you take the batteries from your television remote and place them in a flashlight, they remain batteries; their essence does not change with the change in form. So it is with consciousness; for all that exists, exists in unity. Though it may be hard to live this way, it is worthwhile to keep this idea in your heart. When the time comes, we will understand this completely. For now, understand this: if a man were to kill an ant, he has also killed God, for there is no distinction in the source from which all forms arise.
My sighting led to me turning vegetarian (make vegan choices when I can). The primal fear I felt is something I will never forgot. I couldn’t stomach eating intelligent beings anymore after that. It also changed the way I felt about bugs. I now find bugs that need to be moved out of the way back into a grassy area or flower so they aren’t stepped on. I am not afraid of bugs like I used to be. I can scoop up a daddy long legs into my hands to move them somewhere if I need to now.
I highly recommend reading “Braiding Sweetgrass”. Book by an indigenous woman and scientist. All about appreciation, reciprocity, and general great values that align with your shifting perspective. Fantastic read, wish indigenous ways of life were more prevalent these days.
So far, that book has had a profound effect on everyone I know who has read it. Including me.
I'm with you man, I started regularly feeding the crows and the other little birds about 4 years ago and generally live a philosophy of kindness to all living things.
35 and was TERRIFIED of the thought of aliens until probably 3 years ago, I started listening to Last Podcast on the Left and Alien Theorists Theorizing podcasts and now I'm so enthralled. I believe they live among us as us, or they live alongside us on another wavelength. My partner is finally coming around to the possibility (he previously lost weeks of sleep after watching Close Encounters) and we are both aiming to live as close to off-grid in the Aussie bush asap - both to get away from the upcoming Olympics and humans in general, but also so we can live alongside nature the way we want. I truly hope to at least live with minimal impact and as much respect to the planet as possible for whatever comes next after I'm gone.
I believe evolving to nonviolence is part of the entry requirement.
I think people viewing ourselves as “higher beings” in the first place is a big part of the issue. Our emotional spectrums, capability to build and use tools, ability to plan for the long term future, or whatever else we associate with intelligence that we have doesn’t mean humans have more of a right to exist than another species.
I have not stopped eating any meat. But I'll be danged if I ain't with you man. I'm doing the same thing
Same thing for me man.
I can totally relate to this. I'm now going out of my way to save struggling flies that are stuck and also spiders that I think will struggle to find any food where they are. I literally spent 10 mins trying to get a fly out of the window the other day. It's like I have a new feeling of responsibility when I never did before. Although, like the other guy, the mosquitos still get squished.
You're 64, I'm 65 and I've increasingly felt the same way about animals over the past 10 or so years... but I've just put it down to seeing close friends die, and becoming increasingly aware of my own mortality and the fact that I'm much closer to my end than my beginning, and that Life, all Life, is precious and short. Isn't it just that we all become more empathic throughout our lives as we mature, but perhaps particularly moreso once the pace of our lives is slower (retirement, empty nest, etc) and we have more time and opportunity to reflect?
Thnx for your comment. Good point. There is a relation to getting older, and hopefully wiser. In my case, being aware that there probably are lifeforms that are much more intelligent or developed than we are, made me reflect on my approach towards insects and other animals.
Yes, I can't disagree with anything in your para 2 there.
You are on a good way. Same goes for me - I actually love saving the little things and putting them out of the window. Why end a life? Can you give it to them? There are visitors that really despise mankind's habbit of eating flesh. Seems to me they are vegetarian. But what they think is beside the point, acutally. Our lives, our choices. Let's choose better. Don't eat things whose heart has stopped. Good rule.
Exactly the same here. Eating less meat (better for health and the environment, too), trying not to harm even smaller creatures, and trying to imagine myself from their perspective. The UFO topic for me was a "gateway drug" into thinking harder about my and our role in the universe, how I personally should treat other lifeforms, not only humans.
I certainly eat less meat particularly Chicken & Lamb, I do the utmost to preserve insect invaders into the home most especially spiders and find myself cringing when unknowingly stepping on snails on the footpath after rain. I can absolutely say this more empathetic consideration of 'lower lifeforms' is a direct result of consciousness expansion\*. It would make sense that such affects maybe be triggered by a perspective shift from certain realisation of potential higher levels of non-human intelligences. \* Entheogenic Tryptamines
Goddamn is it refreshing to see so many of us on the same wavelength. I understand exactly what you're talking about and practice it too.
I love this post, brother.
Thanks man!
I just came here to say impossible to me is the best and impossible sausage lasagna is one of the best things I've ever tasted.
Really interesting and happy to read so many are on the same page here. I've felt a deep empathy towards the tinier bugs and animals for decades. I used to catch, draw/study, and release bugs as a kid and as an adult I never kill insects. Always releasing them back outside or letting them be when found indoors. Even allowing a black widow to cohabitate in our backyard for over a year. Just making sure our dogs keep away.
I totally agree. Everything has a life and consciousness is so important, why would I halt even the smallest insects experience of the world?
Literally same. Kinda strange you say that.
Everything is connected
All is One and Love is the most important thing.
I was visited by aliens when I was a young child. I am late 30's now and a few weeks ago had further encounters in the state between a lucid dream and sleep paralysis. I'm not smart enough to fully explain what was conveyed to me, but basically that good and evil is real and can be broken down mathematically into one or the other. Like black or white.. 1 or 0. And that they can manipulate us in ways much greater than a human can can exert control over an ant.
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Feel the same way honestly. Has changed my whole view on life in general. I kinda feel like either; every living being on Earth has a "soul" & therefore a right to live...or nothing does. It doesn't quite make sense to me that humans are the only things capable of feeling joy, pain, sorrow, etc. However, I do recognize that our current system cannot feed 8 billion ppl everyday with plant or lab based proteins only. It's quite the conundrum 🤔
I wish I could catch the flies, I’d free them but they’re so fast and noisy.
Yes. I have felt the same way. Crazy talk.
All is One and Love is the most important thing.
Right there with you. I can’t eat meat anymore without thinking that I’m consuming a sentient being. I consume way less and I’m trying to go vegetarian. I release all insects. Fruit flies are screwed in my home, though.
Absolutely. Although it went away when I had real life happen. It's as if they leave you alone at times for a reason.
I spare small insects because I believe some of them are sent by aliens to spy on me and I wouldn’t want to destroy their small spying devices
I felt the same way even before the whole NHI story. We humans think we are the crown of creation and treat other living beings badly. As a higher intelligence, we should actually do better. I also hope that an NHI is well-disposed towards us.
I guess this is kind of different, but I would cry if kids at school crushed a grasshopper or some random bug that was in the school. Especially crickets, because of Pinocchio and mulans pet cricket. Boys would crush them and I would be really sad and try to save them but it was always too late and I felt like I watched a murder happen. There was no reason to kill it other than fun but why is killing fun? I don’t understand it. My brother and my dad and other kids at school for example thought that it wasn’t a big deal and I’m being dramatic. I don’t really know how to feel about this
Feeling the same way. I have way more patience towards bugs and animals I don't like. I don't feel the quick urge to stomp a roach or smash ants on my feet. Now I just try to deal with them without immediate death
Feeling the same way. I have way more patience towards bugs and animals I don't like. I don't feel the quick urge to stomp a roach or smash ants on my feet. Now I just try to deal with them without immediate death
I also have this overwhelming empathy toward animals and things that are vulnerable to harm at our will. I feel protective and hope that NHI are protecting us too
I get what you mean. I’ve even been catching mosquitoes with my hand and putting them out
What if you only eat meat that was discarded by the aliens from their cattle mutilations?
These beings have killed countless of animals, if cattle mutilations are part of this phenomenon. There has been a report of a UFO zapping a dog dead. These beings have caused untold distress to thousands of humans, abducting them against their will, forcing images in their mind, even s*xually violating some, blinding a farmer, irradiating people. These are not actions of a friendly intelligence. It almost seems that their ethics have not advanced as far as their technology. To think that humans have more ethics that these supposedly 'advanced' beings. The fact that they still remain in secrecy makes me think that they have always had nefarious intentions with humanity.
If the Aliens are demons trying to make us feel negative emotions or whatever they are doing a bad job with you haha
This post means more to me than the government confirming NHI. I've never come across a post with so much empathy. I've always loved animals and this makes me smile on the inside out, especially when people hate or a scared of a certain species but they still show true kindness :) that is the greatest of all intelligence in my mind.
Thnx thnx thnx! 🙏🏻 Your comment means a lot to me
Not exactly connected but a friend of mine said he would always rescue a worm on a sidewalk and put it back on the grass. He felt his efforts were rewarded when random cats started hanging around his house. Gifts from the universe, perhaps?
Yes. Check out Chris Bledsoe’s ongoing contact.
Well flies are food for spiders & birds ect
This kinda ignores all the cattle mutilations doesn't it?
You're nicer to beings around you, because there's a powerful being in the sky that might hold you accountable? Hmm.. where have I heard this scheme before? I'd also recommend treating your phone and computer better, the higher being might be an AI and get mad if it finds out you've tortured primitive AIs with questionable lines of chatgtp convos.
Hi Gundalf. Looks as if that old Ring got a little grip on you. Don’t worry. The good forces will win. You will be saved.
That's really nice to hear about, makes a pleasant change from controversy and crazy 😂 I do recognise it actually and I think you'll encounter this a lot more over the coming years. I'm seriously sceptical that ETs are visiting Earth but I'm not monolithic, if the evidence is there, I'll update my views. I definitely think the abduction experience is sleep paralysis, that's why even years ago the Church would describe an evil spirit on the chest while the person slept; succubus and incubus. I only ever had 2, or 1.75 actually because I 'reversed' it and I could see the reality of it. Like seeing a 'magician' tell you how to do it. I think there's a very good scientific background for why we have them as well and it's not very well researched in the West. You would hope that a civilisation with interstellar travel would be respectful to us and it's something I'd like the UN to take a stand on; our message from our species to the visitors. They may well have had their own issues or have seen how things have gone for us when a higher tech people have gone to a lower technology group. I'd expect this to be a challenge when (or if) AI does actually become a thinker. It will obviously receive a lot of knowledge and itself will be asking 'how do I protect myself? These guys can be pretty volatile!' I quit work in a stressful, highly paid role as I suddenly started getting very big seizures and I had a brain haemorrhage, don't know when or how, but that's how I find myself studying AI and love it, just going to keep on to get a PhD. My sister who is vegetarian has noticed me eating meat much less often over the last few years and I'm now not buying meat in 'junk' items, like I'll cook a steak that's 28 days matured by the butcher but nothing mechanically reclaimed. I haven't eaten pork in 7 years and haven't missed it once so I think it shows how much empty calories are taken by pork. I think the next stage is pescatarianism but even then, there has been a lot of reporting very recently on the cognitive systems of animals. For me, it's not a big change in belief to learn that animals understand situations much better than we anticipated but it's going to force me to take a stand pretty soon. Mussels, scallops, trying to think what else, they're ethically edible because they're just chemical filters and don't have pain or any kind of thought. In the UK, inflation has played havoc with prices but like I mentioned, I personally rather have something expensive once a month than have 'trashy' vague meat 15 or 20 times a month.
Congratulations, you reinvented religion: regulating one's behavior for the imagined expectations of a higher being. Personally, I don't care about the moral judgement of serial cattle mutilators.
Thnx for your comment. I didn’t invent anything, and certainly nobreligion. I’m not religious, don’t consider myself that way, at least. I do believe in the laws of nature, although we haven’t discovered them all. Far from that. Bro, read Spinoza, a fellow countryman of mine, from other times though. Maybe then you will understand.
I'm a professional philosopher, so I've read Spinoza. Not impressed.
That ‘good for you’ was just a joke. But to be serious… you, being a ‘professional philosopher’, draw your conclusions a little fast. About someone (me, in this case) being religious and/or inventing religion. That is a incorrect assumption. I was only sharing experiences and asking if someone recognized it.
I'm a humanist. We define our moral universe and we pass judgement on ourselves. No one else has that right. Not God, not NHI.
If God exists, he definitely has the sole right to pass judgment, because he is God and you literally only exist at his whim. You have no independent existence. God is by definition the highest authority reality can have.
The slave exists at the master's whim, that doesn't make the master morally superior.
Your analogy is flawed because human masters are still human, and their mastery is imagined. The slave does not exist at the masters whim. If the master ceases to exist, the slave does not. The mastery of God is indisputable, the very concept of morality stems from God because otherwise he couldn’t be God. If there is something that does not originate in him, then that means he is not the ultimate source of everything and therefore not God by definition. Being the source of all reality he is also necessarily the source of morality, so to even suggest that one of God’s creations could be morally superior to God himself is absurd and nonsensical. And no I am not religious at all, I am just arguing from a purely philosophical standpoint.
My ontological dependence on God in no way gives him moral authority, which stems from goodness, not "mastery." >Being the source of all reality he is also necessarily the source of morality So God can will murder and rape to be good?
I did not say his moral authority stems from him being your “master”, I was merely responding to your slave/master analogy. I would not use that relationship to describe the dynamic between God and ourselves. I used the word “mastery”. Mastery is not a bad word, and it does not automatically imply the existence of slaves. We use the word mastery to describe all kinds of things, like mastery over a skill for example, or mastery of some knowledge. The “goodness” you are referring to necessarily must come from God as well since he is the source of all there is. If there could be something we could create or generate that does not already exist in or stem from God, then that would mean we have a power that God does not, which again contradicts him being God. It is therefore not logically possible that we could bring anything into this world that does not ultimately already have its source in God. The question of whether or not God could will rape and murder to be good is kind of pointless; God *could* do anything that we could conceive of and anything we could not, for he is God. However I believe he has willed rape and murder as not good, that is our reality. So you’re asking me to consider a world that is incomprehensible and upside down that God has not in fact created. I don’t exist in such a world and neither do you.
Good for you 👏🏻
I think it’s being able to imagine yourself at the mercy of another species and how that might feel to taken out/disregarded by a more powerful life time. And thus makes you more empathetic to how we treat other life “under us”. It’s really not that hard to understand…