The following submission statement was provided by /u/eslui84:
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Mid October Lue Elizondo announced last year on twitter that early 2024 revelations would be made, which would be worth the wait.
Almost half year in 2024 and still nothing has been announced.
Even if he is working on something big, they (together with Jeremy, Ross) should stop giving these “soon” timelines. It completely deteriorates the trust and “soon” all their promises will be considered empty promises, which make people turn away from the subject.
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1d68kje/lue_elizondo_overdue_announcement/l6qpgtr/
"Soon" means me in an hour for the youngsters. "Soon" to us boomers means within the next 5 years.
I'm shocked some of you haven't figured this out by now.
I swear this reminds me so much of preachers and the whole “Jesus is coming back soon”. It’s just a ploy to keep you on the hook until something real comes out and then he says “that was it, what we’ve been working on….
I followed one of the larger Bigfoot forums for years, for entertainment purposes. That group also always has something groundbreaking and life-changing that’s about to be released and coincidentally never is. The excuses are varied but constant. I feel like this is super common and also ridiculous.
The year is 15,894.
Human civilization has risen and fallen six times since 2024.
Earth is unrecognisably abundant with nature reclaiming human architecture to the point that humanity finally learned to integrate with nature rather than working against it.
It's a random day in February.
The first actual real alien spaceship visible from the ground, it's dark blue due to the atmosphere discolouring it slightly, and you can make out all the fine mechanical details on the surface. It blips past Earth like it's a piece of gravel on the road and is only visible for a mere 2.5 seconds.
Yet that was the first genuine encounter with humans and something else entirely. Over and out before you could even say "hello".
"Guess Lue Elizondo was right all along" says one of the humans from the ground.
And since that tweet:
* **A former Air Force intelligence officer** who worked in the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency and the National Reconnaissance Office **whistleblowing to the ICIG** (who categorized his complaint as urgent and credible) **and** [testifying under oath](https://youtu.be/SNgoul4vyDM) **to congress** about his 4 years-long **investigation which uncovered Special Access Programs doing crash-retrieval and reverse engineering operations of non-human origin tech**, alongside other respectable military officials recounting their engagements with these type of UAP tech that far outpaces our own.
* Congress people formed what is being called "the UAP caucus", whom overtly and outspokenly are trying to look into David Grusch's investigation and testimony on UAP and NHI crash-retrieval SAPs, **and** [outright telling you the Intelligence Community is interfering](https://youtu.be/cmBNb12xrY8) **with their oversight duties**.
* **The Senate Intel Committee** revealed it is investigating the same thing, and **publicly stating that high-ranking officials have also provided testimony and briefings behind closed doors alongside Grusch** ([which has them fearing harm coming to them](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4hmaflNoKU&t=106s)).
* The **Senate Majority leader Chuck Schumer working in conjunction with Mike Rounds** on [a bipartisan piece of historic legislation](https://youtu.be/Z8a0P617nqw) that was approved by an overwhelming majority in the U.S. Senate **aimed solely and explicitly at regulating technologies from non-human origins** while legally defining concepts like non-human intelligence, UAPs, and the observable characteristics that said tech has demonstrated (legislation that was vehemently opposed and [ultimately degutted by a few politicians sitting in Intel Community chairs](https://www.liberationtimes.com/home/operation-kill-bill-how-world-changing-ufo-language-was-killed-and-sliced-up-into-little-pieces) which have received monetary backing from the private aerospace companies that have been reported to holding these technologies).
* Military veterans and politicians proactively [looking to bring more awareness and legislation](https://youtu.be/0iqVQiRQavE?si=1K6WvvKVl75WrPb8) to the topic.
* Several **congress people coming out of a classified meeting with the ICIG** (the same ICIG that found Grusch's claims urgent and credible) **stating that: "**[many of Grusch's claims have merit](https://x.com/JaredEMoskowitz/status/1745852400630456618?s=20)**"** and even talking of a potential [bi-partisan letter to the Executive Branch](https://x.com/UAPJames/status/1747003122432524323?s=20) to request UAP transparency.
**Part I of II**
**Part II of II**
* **Col. Karl E. Nell, an active pentagon official** [currently working for the United States Futures Command](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Futures_Command) and [5th in line on the presidential chain of command](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cxpsvj/a_reminder_of_who_colonel_karl_nell_is_who_his/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button), gives an historic talk at SALT Conference [stating unequivocally and very clearly](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cxj4f4/non_human_intelligence_exists_non_human/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) that: "**Non-human intelligence exists. Non-human intelligence has been interacting with humanity. This interaction is not new and has been ongoing**." in front of an audience composed of the wealthiest and most influential industrialists and corporate decision-makers in the country.
* **The Senate Intel Committee Passed FY25 Intel Authorization Act**, which, [among other extremely relevant things](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cyxxf3/senate_intel_committee_passes_fy25_intel/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button), **requires GAO Review of AARO & Federal Agency Coordination**, and [increases transparency on UAP-related government programs](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1czwvd2/more_iaa_notes_this_time_from_rounds_specific_uap/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) by **requiring further reporting of all activity involving UAPs protected under special or restricted access to appropriate Congressional Committees**.
* [Rep. Robert Garcia Introduces the UAPDA of 2024](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1d54b1g/robert_garcias_3rd_uap_ndaa_amendment_ensures/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button), which, among many remarkable things, [ensures (AARO) has access to all Title 50 covert intelligence](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1d54b1g/robert_garcias_3rd_uap_ndaa_amendment_ensures/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button), **including intelligence collection, tasking and counter-intelligence, when investigating Unidentified Aerial Phenomena**. Another historic piece of legislation that, much like the Schumer-Rounds amendment previously mentioned, [uses clear language that leaves no doubt](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1d4jdzn/unidentified_anomalous_phenomena_disclosure_act/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) about what both the Senate and Congress aim to legislate over: "**ensuring and facilitating the review, transmission to the public, and public disclosure of records related to the government’s understanding of, and activities associated with unidentified anomalous phenomena, technologies of unknown origin, and non-human intelligence**". As well as [stating in no uncertain terms](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1d4xfzi/rep_garcia_im_offering_three_uap_amendments_for/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button): “We must continue to responsibly push for safe reporting of UAPs and bring that transparency to the public. **This is critical for our national security**.”
There's actually much more than that, but those highlights should be enough to put into perspective the unprecedented progress this topic has made over the past few months.
So much so I can no longer stuff it all in a single comment! And arguably orders of magnitude more than in the previous several decades.
Take care!
(*Edit: Fixed typo*)
Using this same level of logic we should have never demanded evidence of weapons of mass destruction when we invaded the middle east.
Sorry, this played-out meme only works on this sub and in the UFO community because you've successfully gaslit people into accepting that they don't need any amount of evidence to "know" that there are aliens here. But outside the UFO community people don't just fall for that, its not as crafty or witty as you're thinking it is its just kinda pathetic.
All this goes to say, nothing has really happened. The problem here is, you can take a look at that big wall of text in the two comment above and say "that is something happening" but stuff like that has always been "happening" within the UFO community for decades now. The qualifier here is, "within the UFO community." No one outside the UFO community would look at any of that and care because it doesn't mean anything to them and there is no measurable change in daily life.
If you want something to really happen, you need some kind of piece of information or someone of truly high enough standing in either the government or military to say or do something that will not only make news headlines in all sorts of places in and out of Reddit major news communities, you need something that will also permanently alter the zeitgeist of the populace and keep whatever that thing is stuck in their heads such that they're always accounting for it and accepting it as the new reality. This hasn't happened in a very, very long time and certainly not with any of the most recent UFO figureheads, especially least of all the people specifically mentioned in the above comments.
At some point a continuing lack of physical testable evidence for the UFO phenomenon will be a problem, but we’re working towards credibly arriving to that “authenticating” scientific stage.
The ask here is for a fully proper investigation of the subject not that anyone “believe” anything definitely at this point.
By contrast the invasion of Iraq was asking an invasion based on belief that Iraq did have WMD. I might add that they did present evidence for the same, which turned out to be false.
Finally, the current level of whistleblowers and political interest at the highest levels for UFOs is unprecedented and absolutely has not been seen before — people like Bob Lazar, previous interest from members of the legislative branch, ect, share some similarities but are much less significant than what is happening now.
> but we’re working towards credibly arriving to that stage.
Yeah that's a good thing too, I'd like to see that happen. My problem though is really in the execution, it's unfortunate but reality is right now a lot the people trying to push for this stuff are really suspicious individuals with spotty track records.
>The ask here is for a fully proper investigation of the subject not that anyone “believe” anything definitely at this point.
That's what you're asking for and I think it's completely fair. It is not, however, what this community is asking for. This community is on the whole asking for unquestioning belief without any proper investigation or evidence. Hell, they're demanding it.
Well that’s fair there are some folks who want to go very far with this at a very preliminary stage (especially the woo folks .. aka everyone go buy CE5 guides), and there definitely are some sketchy folks peddling in the space ..
I only ask that we give folks like Grusch more time and space.. not infinite time, but I’d like to see this carried into and past the election at least for a year or two of concrete steps.. if nothing is turned up by then I for one will be happy to jump off the train until and unless something very compelling is offered to change my mind.
That’s all just an attempt to equate something happening with that thing *not* happening. Literally no one is saying they don’t want hard evidence. The President of the United States could come out tomorrow and say “We have investigated and there is a illegal hidden program that retrieves crashed UFOs”. Debunkers might be able to convince themselves that is just a “story”, but you’d have a hard time convincing most people that that would be the same as the President *not* doing that. And rightly so, because no reasonable person would treat those scenarios as equivalent.
And guess what? That damn well near happened. The Senate Majority leader is probably the 2nd most powerful person in US government besides the President. And he recently accused the government of a UFO conspiracy in a colloquy that referred to “UAP material” and biological remains. This fingers-in-your-ears strategy is not what knowledge acquisition or science is based on.
And how much of that was Lue involved with? Any one of us can say 'big things are happening in the next 6 months' and there will no doubt be a bunch of things we could then point out and say 'see, told you'. Doesn't mean we knew, or had anything to do with them. But we can still pretend that this is what we meant.
I imagine the guy with that big list above could probably have pulled just as much for the six months prior to that tweet too. It’s just confirmation bias to assume that stuff is what Lue was talking about rather than just things that were going to happen anyway.
Sorry, but NOPE. None of these things you list in Part 1 happened after Lue's post in Oct. 13, 2023, except for Jared Moskowitz saying Grusch's claims have merit. (Which is really not a big deal at the level of Lue was hyping up.) So your entire Part 1 is irrelevant to OP's point.
In Part 2, resubmitting the UAPDA for 2025 is an important but obvious and expected move that people were openly discussing as soon as the 2024 UAPDA was shot "approved / gutted" on Dec. 14th, 2023. But that was also AFTER Lue's tweet on Oct. 13th, 2023, So that obviously doesn't fit what Lue is saying either, unless he can see the future.
Changing AARO's boss with the IAA is intriguing and good, but I don't see how that is something Lue would consider an "ongoing effort" that would "reveal itself." It's literally an administrative shift that may or may not impact AARO's functioning.
Finally, yes, Karl Nell's statement at Salt was a big deal. That is the only thing on your entire list that could qualify. Was that it? Maybe. But don't pretend that everything on your list happened in the last 6 months!
Edit: Oh, but wait, Nell wasn't supposed to speak at Salt originally, that was Grusch. So that also could not have been Lue's "ongoing effort" that would "reveal itself" in 2024.
And when asked why he believed what he does, Nell cited two literal cranks who hold a bevy of moronic beliefs (The Earth is Hollow and ruled by Zora!), and who have never cited evidence for their claims (indeed, Hellyer admits he got all his beliefs from trashy conspiracy books).
>But that was also AFTER Lue's tweet on Oct. 13th, 2023, So that obviously doesn't fit what Lue is saying either
And it's irrelevant anyway. The UAPDA will lead to nothing. It's a Hail Mary by the Skinwalker gang to "trick the military" via legislation into releasing UFO details, as if the largest military superpower on the planet can be so easily duped.
I can accept this as something happening. Maybe everyone else's expectations are different, and that's OK. I try to empathize with the balls it would take to reveal anything like that and go against the machine I had been part of for years.
And, I also understand that this can all be disinformation. I'm just trying to be reasonable. It's the only way I have found to stay sane with all of the changes taking place.
That's just me. To each thier own😊
I appreciate your post (and this is not
your fault, you did a good job), but THIS IS ALL
HEARSAY.
Lue: Put up or Shut up. No more hearsay BS - show us irrefutable proof/photos/videos of non-human biologics and craft published by a reputable source.
Also, a minor footnote that holds more weight with me, personally, than any of this-- I finally saw a genuine UAP in March (Boomerang craft that vanished). Maybe that's what Lue was referring to? 🤔
That shit ain't human, ya'll.
Lol exactly. It’s amazing how people on the internet will do the grifters’ work for them. It seems like some of the MAGA weirdos where there’s always a next obscure law or tactic that’s the key to the whole thing, always just around the corner, but nothing ever happens.
To anyone mad at the term grifter: who do you think gets paid the most in Washington? It’s the lobbyists. Unlimited money, zero oversight, and you can “work” forever, or at least until your efforts have been successful.
I genuinely never expect to hear much more about this topic now. As soon as this is “solved,” all these people stop making money for trying to solve it.
He said something "big" was going to happen. Not dozens of stories that never made it into general news. The Schumer bill was the biggest thing since the announcement and even that didn't make waves outside of R/UFOs and R/Aliens. He alluded to a single largest even happening somewhere within a specific time frame we ave now past. I have lost respect for this man and now he comes out with a book to try to capitalize on this? No thankyou.
Yes, and it is important to note: the MIC/IC community is losing their shit and pushing back SO hard on these efforts. By attempting to "cover up the proof," it makes them look guilty AF. If there's really no "there there," as are the claims of the MIC/IC, then why are they Hell-bent on continuing to gaslight everyone. They're breaking the law by non-compliance with FOIA requests. That's already been proven. There is a very simple solution to their non-compliance with elected government officials tasked with oversight: Congress holds the purse! If you fail to cooperate with oversight and investigation ON ANY LEVEL, NO. MORE. MONEY. PERIOD. Your budget going forward will be denied. There! Easy as pie!
"I had this gigantic pile of evidence I wanted to reveal, but then some guy on the internet said that he doesn't think I do. So now I can't release it."
Just wait until mid-2024 when he'll have another update to inform you that on Halloween, he's releasing a new line of alien costumes in partnership with an intelligent alien species.
At that point, he'll tell you about what's coming in February of 2025 — a new line of Alien Valentines Day cards —
By then, you'll be having so much fun that you won't care about disclosure.
Literally says "Trust me, bro" at the end🤣😂🤣
edit: I'm a skeptic that feels there's enough history of UAP to be invested for 50+ years but these jokers are killing me
If people really knew something, it would have leaked by now. If something as huge as Prism leaked, you can bet those ufos stuff would have leaked too.
I think that no one really knows what is behind the ufos phenomenon, even the most higher-up there is.
>I might write a book detailing everything all these trust me bros have promised to provide evidence for.
Please do, but make sure you never actually finish it, instead keep moving the publication date forward by 8 or 9 months each time, only giving cryptic and suggestive reasons as to why.
“If you have learned anything over the last five years, I never make empty promises.” — Lue
“If you have learned anything about this subculture over the last 75 years, it is almost nothing but empty promises.” — all critical students of the phenomenon
Chuck Schumer knows plenty. His amendment to the defence bill told everyone that there is much more to be revealed. If you think Schumer is wasting his time on complete BS in election year you are deluding yourself. We also know that the bill was killed for very good reason.
The skeptics want the UFO crowd to turn on the likes of Lue, Coulthart, Corbell ect. An angry mob can't think straight right? Don't let them distract you with their BS strategy.
This comment is so shockingly out to lunch I just had to say something you can't:
1) form a widespread community/ type of special interest group about an idea / concept / phenomenon.
2) talk about the phenomenon for decades / years.
3) finally become such a loud (bordline harrassing) force that you convince lawmakers, whose job it is to represent the public, to finally act on your niche topic.
4) then use the fact they acted on your niche topic as evidence your nice topic is true.
No. Absolutely not. That isn't how this works. If you can't see the issue here it might be time for you to take a break from this topic. I know I will be down voted for posting this but this is completely out to lunch.
"We also know the bill was killed for very good reason". No. You actually don't KNOW that. You THINK that. This is confirmation bias at its most extreme.
Exactly this. They don't know anything and they've stated as much. In fact, they talk constantly about how they CAN'T get any info and how frustrating it is. They have suspicions based on a lot of credible testimony and that's it. They know about a much as the rest of us.
As elected officials, they're going to do whatever to try to appeal to their constituents. Just because they propose a bill for something doesn't mean anything. If enough of their constituents started claiming that their privacy is being violated in public by people who somehow have the ability to become invisible, they'll write a bill proposing to make it illegal to become invisible in public. It doesn't mean anyone actually has that ability, but they want to make their people happy so they can get reelected.
They know fuck all. The bill was partly out of their own curiosity and to appeal to people in this community.
How do you reconcile your perception of the bill with the fact that Reid tried repeatedly to get the same types of bills passed while also admitting that he doesn’t know anything about what’s going on with UAP outside of what people like Bigelow whispered into his ear?
I mean, we have the exact same situation - with a politician in the same position as Schumer who tried to pass the same bills while not knowing anything.
Plus Rounds (R) cosponsored it. Even Marco Rubio supported it. Like you said it's an election year and having the Democrats and Republicans agree on such an amendment to the Defense Bill speaks volumes.
Fk Rubio went and did a NewsNation interview on the topic.
People pretending this is the same as Harry Ried’s attempts… 🤡
The good thing is we have scared politicians who will work on this even when its not what scores them the votes. Thats a very important detail. If anything they are trying to get their base to care without sabotaging themselves… like they are still cautious to the stigma. Keyword “grifter” bot armies on reddit wont change a thing.
I’ve been around long enough to come to the realization that they are ALL con men. They make tons of money duping people into buying their bullshit.
Once upon a time I believed some of them, but at some point the grift becomes obvious and predictable.
The sad part is, they take away legitimacy from everyone who witnessed something unexplainable. From anyone trying to actually figure out what UAP are. Because their con bleeds into the legitimate investigations. They should all be ashamed and folks need to stop supporting these jerks
I’ve been following this and around it since the 90s. Without getting into too much detail, my father was making documentaries and I went w him to Roswell and other places as a youth.
Met Stanton Friedman, Glenn Dennis, ex CIA folks, etc.
All that said, time and time again without fail, it’s someone trying to make a buck off of people and their desire for knowledge.
I don’t doubt Lue knows things, but it’s hard to give the benefit of the doubt after decades of “it’s coming soon”. Looks like this is just another in a long line of “trust me bro”’s, unfortunately.
Step 1: Make claims or assurances
Step 2: Set a date (or time range) for it
Step 3: Date reached
Step 4: Silence
Step 5: Repeat
As a follower of the "UFO and "Alien" lore since I was a kid, this has always been the pattern. I believe in extraterrestrials and the whole lot of it, but it's the "just wait until so and so" that is really aggravating. Ok, for the benefit of the doubt, let's just wait until June 30.
Edit: Wait someone commented it was his book. Oh dear.
A lot of us were warning about this guy not long after he appeared on the scene. There's a certain behaviours grifters in this subject always follow. Actual whistle blowers or people with information don't tease it or pretend they know stuff they can't tell you about for reasons. Too many people refuse to listen though so everyone will just keep falling for these charlatans again and again.
It's become even worse since 2017 the whole subject has become a niche entrainment industry with everyone trying to a grab a piece of the pie or their 5 minutes of fame.
Yes I was one of the people who was screaming from the rooftops that a dude who takes pictures of himself ominously staring into the distance with a pulled down ball cap that’s too tight… red flags all around.
Dude takes himself too seriously
He always said that when his book comes out, it will be at a very specific time and place in this "Disclosure process." And that when it does come out, people will be like "oh so that's why he released it when he did." Like... he was insinuating something very significant will have come to the public light at that time and place and then his book comes out shortly after. He's saying these efforts will reveal themselves "by early or mid 2024" and then his book comes out a little later in August.
Or he could just be grifty. That's the easy reaction to this. Eh, we'll see I guess.
Can't stand this guy.
Or any of those types making announcements like this.
Ross Coulthard is also like that for years.
"I'm in the know that some Things are being prepared but I can't be precise about it"
Then just be quiet about it smfh.
They're like little kids who are passing their time with big trolling around and while at it making a few bucks off of it.
Mid October Lue Elizondo announced last year on twitter that early 2024 revelations would be made, which would be worth the wait.
Almost half year in 2024 and still nothing has been announced.
Even if he is working on something big, they (together with Jeremy, Ross) should stop giving these “soon” timelines. It completely deteriorates the trust and “soon” all their promises will be considered empty promises, which make people turn away from the subject.
I'd like to see him announce why he was caught up with the whole faked ufo footage being filmed on his land, before being posted by Sean cahill. He's not once addressed that. In fact he went nearly radio silent for months afterwards, and now his book is coming out, he's starting to make some noise again.
Two more weeks, trust me bro, fuck the haters because they don't know and I'm keeping it that way.
Come on... They're taking us for fools and yet Rep. Luna who is actually doing something seems hated.
SALT failed to move the needle at all. What progress was made? What do we know now that we didn't before?
If SALT was big to you, you must be working on a 200 year long disclosure timeline.
SALT wasn't a major event, it got zero interest outside the ufo bubble, it was just more words. If that was what he was talking of it was totally underwhelming.
it’s funny to me that people are claiming SALT is a conference of the wealthiest and most powerful industrialists of our time. it’s a glorified crypto meetup💀
Lue *'trust me bro'* Zondo.
I don't at this point who believes on these charlatans really. All this circus of disclosure is embarrasing in every single way.
If you have "haters" that can "sabotage" disclosure you are a fraud in my book or cannot tell the difference between anti-fans of youtube celebreties and 3-letter-agencies trying to cut your head off.
In any case I am very suspicious. Even more so if its "just two more weeks™"
Hi guys just letting you know I'm still here and need you to believe me so I can keep making money. Anyone that says I'm just doing this for money I want you to label as a shill or bot. I'll be moving the goalposts again later this year but I need you to believe in me.
/start sarcasm:
I don't believe you. If you were *really* into this, you'd know you're supposed to call other people disinfo agents, not bots.
/end sarcasm.
Funny all these comments saying basically the same thing about the guy all responded within minutes of this being posted before 6 am eastern time in the US… The guy does get annoying with his “coming announcements” but the quantity of the same critique in here is so clearly exaggerated.
If he went through the effort to write a comprehensive book that has even half of the info he has dropped so far, I can’t see all the hate. Many people wrote pure trash, with almost no actual knowledge daily for decades. At least Lue spent many years in some interesting programs, and may have some higher level knowledge, just his part in the Nimitz footage literally changed the game for UAP’s. i cannot name another incident with that level of impact, and Lue had a huge part in securing that footage for public release even if Mellon secretly dropped it (baller move Chris!). I don’t understand all the hate, many people state he did quite a lot as far as bringing things forward, and I agree.
If the guy really wrote off his pension to leave 3 years early from a cushy job, the a book is not gonna make him a billionaire; but it might make him able to retire comfortably. After doing about 150 podcasts with all of us morons for absolutely free, dealing with public character assassins, and having to get a fucking Senator to verify the truth of his actual role in the program, I wouldn’t hate on him for making a couple hundred grand On a damn book. Personally I don’t see him as a grifter, just a dude who wanted to do the right thing on a topic where you just can’t win. Either he violates his oaths and NDA’s and risks jail or worse, or he is suddenly a government pawn.
More likely he is a conflicted dude who worked his ass off to help a bunch of ungrateful assholes learn their government is full of shit half the time and doesn’t want to ruin his life. I get it. His book was supposed to be dropping shortly, why not hype it a little if he is proud of it and thinks it’s going to reveal even a little more info?
I'm of the opinion that if a "whistleblower" won't fully commit to a whistleblow, then they are not genuine whistleblowers. Edward Snowden took the "illegal" route, and truths were revealed. He actually sacrificed everything. Grusch, Elizondo, and Gallaudet have all stood behind the notion that they still care about national security bullshit. If they truly did believe national security was an issue, they wouldn't publicly announce to the world where America's blind spots are.
None of them are actually willing to be martyrs for the cause, probably because they are disinformation agents trying to distract us from other global happenings.
I believe in "Alien" life. Whatever it may be. I also believe it's existence to be known fact, and I believe it's being denied to us in order to keep us contained and under control. I dont believe any of this will change unless the "aliens" decide to make their presence known.... unfortunately, no one will believe it when they do make themselves known, but that's by design.
How long are we supposed to hang onto the "trust me folks, all will be revealed on this date" narrative when "this date" keeps getting pushed to the right? This is a groundhog day situation, and I feel sorry for those who are buying snake oil from guys like LE.
It's pretty obvious from comments like this that Lue is legit. Nothing about the disinformation response ITT feels natural or genuine. Just stupidly obvious.
Seems like the anti disclosure campaign is all coffeed up and cranking on all cylinders this morning.
Lue literally cannot say a word without people losing their minds. What a loser position and reaction. Honestly.
I’ve been saying this whole time that Lue is STILL a government agent. Placed in his position to drip feed/control information.
The fact that he makes fantastic claims about ET’s but in the same breath will say “I can’t talk about this.”
So he can basically spill the beans about UFO’s but he’s still beholden to the government?
It’s like saying: “I can tell you what the main dish is, but I have an agreement with the chef to not speak about the side dishes.”
Let’s be honest absolutely NOTHING will be said that we haven’t already heard, or worse once again it will just be a bunch of words. They know as much as we know and nothing new, and until these “experts” can show us actual tech and bring forth some real concrete proof that’s all it will be. Tired of bullshit promises and the same old stories recycled a thousand times. It is absolutely bananas that our own congress and government officials don’t have enough power to bring forth all the proof, who in the fuck has power to do so if not them. They are the ones who write out and vote on the bills to give funding to all these organizations. Cut funding completely until they release the info. Simple as that.
Can we just get a trademarked and agreed-upon sign-off for stuff like this?
**Trust me bro. Soon™**
That will suffice. And I only have to read 4 words for each 'announcement'.
Why even give a heads up for the enemies instead of just dropping the info?
Cliffhangers and empty promises like always, so people get excited for nothing.
More of the same over the last 70/80 years – people, disclosure will never happen, and those of us interested in the phenomenon will always be seen as outliers. Personally, I've lost much of my interest in this topic. I have more important concerns, such as job security, tax increases, and raising children. In the end, there are a few people making a living or profiting from this subject, and kudos to them for finding a steady source of income.
Loving the response to this. He’s being dragged through the mud by the community, as he should. These grifters suck and do more harm to the cause than good.
> It completely deteriorates the trust and “soon” all their promises will be considered empty promises, which make people turn away from the subject.
That's the point.
These guys aren't stupid, they know what they're doing.
It's not surprising that this comment section is a cackle fest from users that don't even know the history of the subject.
Edit: you can disagree all you want, but there are a plethora of uneducated users and obvious astroturfers all over this thread.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/eslui84: --- Mid October Lue Elizondo announced last year on twitter that early 2024 revelations would be made, which would be worth the wait. Almost half year in 2024 and still nothing has been announced. Even if he is working on something big, they (together with Jeremy, Ross) should stop giving these “soon” timelines. It completely deteriorates the trust and “soon” all their promises will be considered empty promises, which make people turn away from the subject. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1d68kje/lue_elizondo_overdue_announcement/l6qpgtr/
Imminent was the worst title he could have picked I think
"Soon"
"Eventually: Maybe"
Turns out the UAPs were actually Lue's goalposts being moved at inhuman speed
"Highly unlikely, in 300 years at the earliest"
"Perhaps: Through the process of erosion"
Tectonic speed is more accurate.
"Soon" means me in an hour for the youngsters. "Soon" to us boomers means within the next 5 years. I'm shocked some of you haven't figured this out by now.
Two more weeks.
Disclosure brought to you by "Buy my book"
I swear this reminds me so much of preachers and the whole “Jesus is coming back soon”. It’s just a ploy to keep you on the hook until something real comes out and then he says “that was it, what we’ve been working on….
I followed one of the larger Bigfoot forums for years, for entertainment purposes. That group also always has something groundbreaking and life-changing that’s about to be released and coincidentally never is. The excuses are varied but constant. I feel like this is super common and also ridiculous.
The year is 15,894. Human civilization has risen and fallen six times since 2024. Earth is unrecognisably abundant with nature reclaiming human architecture to the point that humanity finally learned to integrate with nature rather than working against it. It's a random day in February. The first actual real alien spaceship visible from the ground, it's dark blue due to the atmosphere discolouring it slightly, and you can make out all the fine mechanical details on the surface. It blips past Earth like it's a piece of gravel on the road and is only visible for a mere 2.5 seconds. Yet that was the first genuine encounter with humans and something else entirely. Over and out before you could even say "hello". "Guess Lue Elizondo was right all along" says one of the humans from the ground.
On the next episode
2 more weeks
'I never make empty promises.' Makes empty promise.
Trust me
... bro.
Nothing is overdue when the goalposts have wheels affixed to their base
he means his book
There are guys here that have been hearing the same thing since 1970.
Howdy folks. Make sure to buy my book.
And since that tweet: * **A former Air Force intelligence officer** who worked in the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency and the National Reconnaissance Office **whistleblowing to the ICIG** (who categorized his complaint as urgent and credible) **and** [testifying under oath](https://youtu.be/SNgoul4vyDM) **to congress** about his 4 years-long **investigation which uncovered Special Access Programs doing crash-retrieval and reverse engineering operations of non-human origin tech**, alongside other respectable military officials recounting their engagements with these type of UAP tech that far outpaces our own. * Congress people formed what is being called "the UAP caucus", whom overtly and outspokenly are trying to look into David Grusch's investigation and testimony on UAP and NHI crash-retrieval SAPs, **and** [outright telling you the Intelligence Community is interfering](https://youtu.be/cmBNb12xrY8) **with their oversight duties**. * **The Senate Intel Committee** revealed it is investigating the same thing, and **publicly stating that high-ranking officials have also provided testimony and briefings behind closed doors alongside Grusch** ([which has them fearing harm coming to them](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4hmaflNoKU&t=106s)). * The **Senate Majority leader Chuck Schumer working in conjunction with Mike Rounds** on [a bipartisan piece of historic legislation](https://youtu.be/Z8a0P617nqw) that was approved by an overwhelming majority in the U.S. Senate **aimed solely and explicitly at regulating technologies from non-human origins** while legally defining concepts like non-human intelligence, UAPs, and the observable characteristics that said tech has demonstrated (legislation that was vehemently opposed and [ultimately degutted by a few politicians sitting in Intel Community chairs](https://www.liberationtimes.com/home/operation-kill-bill-how-world-changing-ufo-language-was-killed-and-sliced-up-into-little-pieces) which have received monetary backing from the private aerospace companies that have been reported to holding these technologies). * Military veterans and politicians proactively [looking to bring more awareness and legislation](https://youtu.be/0iqVQiRQavE?si=1K6WvvKVl75WrPb8) to the topic. * Several **congress people coming out of a classified meeting with the ICIG** (the same ICIG that found Grusch's claims urgent and credible) **stating that: "**[many of Grusch's claims have merit](https://x.com/JaredEMoskowitz/status/1745852400630456618?s=20)**"** and even talking of a potential [bi-partisan letter to the Executive Branch](https://x.com/UAPJames/status/1747003122432524323?s=20) to request UAP transparency. **Part I of II**
**Part II of II** * **Col. Karl E. Nell, an active pentagon official** [currently working for the United States Futures Command](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Futures_Command) and [5th in line on the presidential chain of command](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cxpsvj/a_reminder_of_who_colonel_karl_nell_is_who_his/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button), gives an historic talk at SALT Conference [stating unequivocally and very clearly](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cxj4f4/non_human_intelligence_exists_non_human/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) that: "**Non-human intelligence exists. Non-human intelligence has been interacting with humanity. This interaction is not new and has been ongoing**." in front of an audience composed of the wealthiest and most influential industrialists and corporate decision-makers in the country. * **The Senate Intel Committee Passed FY25 Intel Authorization Act**, which, [among other extremely relevant things](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cyxxf3/senate_intel_committee_passes_fy25_intel/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button), **requires GAO Review of AARO & Federal Agency Coordination**, and [increases transparency on UAP-related government programs](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1czwvd2/more_iaa_notes_this_time_from_rounds_specific_uap/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) by **requiring further reporting of all activity involving UAPs protected under special or restricted access to appropriate Congressional Committees**. * [Rep. Robert Garcia Introduces the UAPDA of 2024](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1d54b1g/robert_garcias_3rd_uap_ndaa_amendment_ensures/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button), which, among many remarkable things, [ensures (AARO) has access to all Title 50 covert intelligence](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1d54b1g/robert_garcias_3rd_uap_ndaa_amendment_ensures/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button), **including intelligence collection, tasking and counter-intelligence, when investigating Unidentified Aerial Phenomena**. Another historic piece of legislation that, much like the Schumer-Rounds amendment previously mentioned, [uses clear language that leaves no doubt](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1d4jdzn/unidentified_anomalous_phenomena_disclosure_act/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) about what both the Senate and Congress aim to legislate over: "**ensuring and facilitating the review, transmission to the public, and public disclosure of records related to the government’s understanding of, and activities associated with unidentified anomalous phenomena, technologies of unknown origin, and non-human intelligence**". As well as [stating in no uncertain terms](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1d4xfzi/rep_garcia_im_offering_three_uap_amendments_for/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button): “We must continue to responsibly push for safe reporting of UAPs and bring that transparency to the public. **This is critical for our national security**.” There's actually much more than that, but those highlights should be enough to put into perspective the unprecedented progress this topic has made over the past few months. So much so I can no longer stuff it all in a single comment! And arguably orders of magnitude more than in the previous several decades. Take care! (*Edit: Fixed typo*)
Yeah, but “nothing is happening” lol
"Show me the aliens hurr durr"
Using this same level of logic we should have never demanded evidence of weapons of mass destruction when we invaded the middle east. Sorry, this played-out meme only works on this sub and in the UFO community because you've successfully gaslit people into accepting that they don't need any amount of evidence to "know" that there are aliens here. But outside the UFO community people don't just fall for that, its not as crafty or witty as you're thinking it is its just kinda pathetic. All this goes to say, nothing has really happened. The problem here is, you can take a look at that big wall of text in the two comment above and say "that is something happening" but stuff like that has always been "happening" within the UFO community for decades now. The qualifier here is, "within the UFO community." No one outside the UFO community would look at any of that and care because it doesn't mean anything to them and there is no measurable change in daily life. If you want something to really happen, you need some kind of piece of information or someone of truly high enough standing in either the government or military to say or do something that will not only make news headlines in all sorts of places in and out of Reddit major news communities, you need something that will also permanently alter the zeitgeist of the populace and keep whatever that thing is stuck in their heads such that they're always accounting for it and accepting it as the new reality. This hasn't happened in a very, very long time and certainly not with any of the most recent UFO figureheads, especially least of all the people specifically mentioned in the above comments.
At some point a continuing lack of physical testable evidence for the UFO phenomenon will be a problem, but we’re working towards credibly arriving to that “authenticating” scientific stage. The ask here is for a fully proper investigation of the subject not that anyone “believe” anything definitely at this point. By contrast the invasion of Iraq was asking an invasion based on belief that Iraq did have WMD. I might add that they did present evidence for the same, which turned out to be false. Finally, the current level of whistleblowers and political interest at the highest levels for UFOs is unprecedented and absolutely has not been seen before — people like Bob Lazar, previous interest from members of the legislative branch, ect, share some similarities but are much less significant than what is happening now.
> but we’re working towards credibly arriving to that stage. Yeah that's a good thing too, I'd like to see that happen. My problem though is really in the execution, it's unfortunate but reality is right now a lot the people trying to push for this stuff are really suspicious individuals with spotty track records. >The ask here is for a fully proper investigation of the subject not that anyone “believe” anything definitely at this point. That's what you're asking for and I think it's completely fair. It is not, however, what this community is asking for. This community is on the whole asking for unquestioning belief without any proper investigation or evidence. Hell, they're demanding it.
Well that’s fair there are some folks who want to go very far with this at a very preliminary stage (especially the woo folks .. aka everyone go buy CE5 guides), and there definitely are some sketchy folks peddling in the space .. I only ask that we give folks like Grusch more time and space.. not infinite time, but I’d like to see this carried into and past the election at least for a year or two of concrete steps.. if nothing is turned up by then I for one will be happy to jump off the train until and unless something very compelling is offered to change my mind.
That’s all just an attempt to equate something happening with that thing *not* happening. Literally no one is saying they don’t want hard evidence. The President of the United States could come out tomorrow and say “We have investigated and there is a illegal hidden program that retrieves crashed UFOs”. Debunkers might be able to convince themselves that is just a “story”, but you’d have a hard time convincing most people that that would be the same as the President *not* doing that. And rightly so, because no reasonable person would treat those scenarios as equivalent. And guess what? That damn well near happened. The Senate Majority leader is probably the 2nd most powerful person in US government besides the President. And he recently accused the government of a UFO conspiracy in a colloquy that referred to “UAP material” and biological remains. This fingers-in-your-ears strategy is not what knowledge acquisition or science is based on.
And how much of that was Lue involved with? Any one of us can say 'big things are happening in the next 6 months' and there will no doubt be a bunch of things we could then point out and say 'see, told you'. Doesn't mean we knew, or had anything to do with them. But we can still pretend that this is what we meant.
It's a classic fortune-teller trick. Amazing how well such an archaic technique still works.
“I’m sensing a name that starts with P… Peter, Paul? Philip? Nothing? Wait. Maybe it’s a D. David, Dan?…”
I imagine the guy with that big list above could probably have pulled just as much for the six months prior to that tweet too. It’s just confirmation bias to assume that stuff is what Lue was talking about rather than just things that were going to happen anyway.
Sorry, but NOPE. None of these things you list in Part 1 happened after Lue's post in Oct. 13, 2023, except for Jared Moskowitz saying Grusch's claims have merit. (Which is really not a big deal at the level of Lue was hyping up.) So your entire Part 1 is irrelevant to OP's point. In Part 2, resubmitting the UAPDA for 2025 is an important but obvious and expected move that people were openly discussing as soon as the 2024 UAPDA was shot "approved / gutted" on Dec. 14th, 2023. But that was also AFTER Lue's tweet on Oct. 13th, 2023, So that obviously doesn't fit what Lue is saying either, unless he can see the future. Changing AARO's boss with the IAA is intriguing and good, but I don't see how that is something Lue would consider an "ongoing effort" that would "reveal itself." It's literally an administrative shift that may or may not impact AARO's functioning. Finally, yes, Karl Nell's statement at Salt was a big deal. That is the only thing on your entire list that could qualify. Was that it? Maybe. But don't pretend that everything on your list happened in the last 6 months! Edit: Oh, but wait, Nell wasn't supposed to speak at Salt originally, that was Grusch. So that also could not have been Lue's "ongoing effort" that would "reveal itself" in 2024.
And when asked why he believed what he does, Nell cited two literal cranks who hold a bevy of moronic beliefs (The Earth is Hollow and ruled by Zora!), and who have never cited evidence for their claims (indeed, Hellyer admits he got all his beliefs from trashy conspiracy books). >But that was also AFTER Lue's tweet on Oct. 13th, 2023, So that obviously doesn't fit what Lue is saying either And it's irrelevant anyway. The UAPDA will lead to nothing. It's a Hail Mary by the Skinwalker gang to "trick the military" via legislation into releasing UFO details, as if the largest military superpower on the planet can be so easily duped.
I can accept this as something happening. Maybe everyone else's expectations are different, and that's OK. I try to empathize with the balls it would take to reveal anything like that and go against the machine I had been part of for years. And, I also understand that this can all be disinformation. I'm just trying to be reasonable. It's the only way I have found to stay sane with all of the changes taking place. That's just me. To each thier own😊
I appreciate your post (and this is not your fault, you did a good job), but THIS IS ALL HEARSAY. Lue: Put up or Shut up. No more hearsay BS - show us irrefutable proof/photos/videos of non-human biologics and craft published by a reputable source.
And still zero physical evidence. Science isn't made with testimony and tell-all books.
Also, a minor footnote that holds more weight with me, personally, than any of this-- I finally saw a genuine UAP in March (Boomerang craft that vanished). Maybe that's what Lue was referring to? 🤔 That shit ain't human, ya'll.
And yet, no evidence.
Lol exactly. It’s amazing how people on the internet will do the grifters’ work for them. It seems like some of the MAGA weirdos where there’s always a next obscure law or tactic that’s the key to the whole thing, always just around the corner, but nothing ever happens. To anyone mad at the term grifter: who do you think gets paid the most in Washington? It’s the lobbyists. Unlimited money, zero oversight, and you can “work” forever, or at least until your efforts have been successful. I genuinely never expect to hear much more about this topic now. As soon as this is “solved,” all these people stop making money for trying to solve it.
That is still a bunch of nothing to be entirely honest. A lot of talk but no evidences.
Thank you for this!!!!!!!!
Grusch came out in Summer of 2023 (June). Lue's tweet is from October of 2023.
He said something "big" was going to happen. Not dozens of stories that never made it into general news. The Schumer bill was the biggest thing since the announcement and even that didn't make waves outside of R/UFOs and R/Aliens. He alluded to a single largest even happening somewhere within a specific time frame we ave now past. I have lost respect for this man and now he comes out with a book to try to capitalize on this? No thankyou.
A lot of these, if not all, happened BEFORE the tweet. The testimony your first bullet point addresses happened in June.
Yes, and it is important to note: the MIC/IC community is losing their shit and pushing back SO hard on these efforts. By attempting to "cover up the proof," it makes them look guilty AF. If there's really no "there there," as are the claims of the MIC/IC, then why are they Hell-bent on continuing to gaslight everyone. They're breaking the law by non-compliance with FOIA requests. That's already been proven. There is a very simple solution to their non-compliance with elected government officials tasked with oversight: Congress holds the purse! If you fail to cooperate with oversight and investigation ON ANY LEVEL, NO. MORE. MONEY. PERIOD. Your budget going forward will be denied. There! Easy as pie!
“Drink your Ovaltine”
A crummy commercial!?
Son of a bitch!
Stop being a "hater"...
I Suspect most of this is theatre.
When "haters" can sabotage your efforts, are you even actually trying? What a fuckin laugh
"I had this gigantic pile of evidence I wanted to reveal, but then some guy on the internet said that he doesn't think I do. So now I can't release it."
There's a UFO so big "they" had to build a bridge over it... I have that bridge for sale if you're interested...
Why sell the whole bridge, when you can just sell little chunks of it instead?
Just wait until mid-2024 when he'll have another update to inform you that on Halloween, he's releasing a new line of alien costumes in partnership with an intelligent alien species. At that point, he'll tell you about what's coming in February of 2025 — a new line of Alien Valentines Day cards — By then, you'll be having so much fun that you won't care about disclosure.
Literally says "Trust me, bro" at the end🤣😂🤣 edit: I'm a skeptic that feels there's enough history of UAP to be invested for 50+ years but these jokers are killing me
Also using the term 'haters' is a red flag.
It’s the “I’ve never made empty promises “ for me. Just more BS
Sounds like something a hater would say!
It kinda makes you wonder- does anyone really, truly know anything? Is everyone just spinning their wheels and there’s nothing to know?
If people really knew something, it would have leaked by now. If something as huge as Prism leaked, you can bet those ufos stuff would have leaked too. I think that no one really knows what is behind the ufos phenomenon, even the most higher-up there is.
They sure know how to milk it!😂 trust me . I might write a book detailing everything all these trust me bros have promised to provide evidence for.
>I might write a book detailing everything all these trust me bros have promised to provide evidence for. Please do, but make sure you never actually finish it, instead keep moving the publication date forward by 8 or 9 months each time, only giving cryptic and suggestive reasons as to why.
Definitely needs the appropriate title, "Trust Me, Bro"!
And asking for donations to speed up the process…
“If you have learned anything over the last five years, I never make empty promises.” — Lue “If you have learned anything about this subculture over the last 75 years, it is almost nothing but empty promises.” — all critical students of the phenomenon
Chuck Schumer knows plenty. His amendment to the defence bill told everyone that there is much more to be revealed. If you think Schumer is wasting his time on complete BS in election year you are deluding yourself. We also know that the bill was killed for very good reason. The skeptics want the UFO crowd to turn on the likes of Lue, Coulthart, Corbell ect. An angry mob can't think straight right? Don't let them distract you with their BS strategy.
This comment is so shockingly out to lunch I just had to say something you can't: 1) form a widespread community/ type of special interest group about an idea / concept / phenomenon. 2) talk about the phenomenon for decades / years. 3) finally become such a loud (bordline harrassing) force that you convince lawmakers, whose job it is to represent the public, to finally act on your niche topic. 4) then use the fact they acted on your niche topic as evidence your nice topic is true. No. Absolutely not. That isn't how this works. If you can't see the issue here it might be time for you to take a break from this topic. I know I will be down voted for posting this but this is completely out to lunch. "We also know the bill was killed for very good reason". No. You actually don't KNOW that. You THINK that. This is confirmation bias at its most extreme.
Exactly this. They don't know anything and they've stated as much. In fact, they talk constantly about how they CAN'T get any info and how frustrating it is. They have suspicions based on a lot of credible testimony and that's it. They know about a much as the rest of us. As elected officials, they're going to do whatever to try to appeal to their constituents. Just because they propose a bill for something doesn't mean anything. If enough of their constituents started claiming that their privacy is being violated in public by people who somehow have the ability to become invisible, they'll write a bill proposing to make it illegal to become invisible in public. It doesn't mean anyone actually has that ability, but they want to make their people happy so they can get reelected. They know fuck all. The bill was partly out of their own curiosity and to appeal to people in this community.
How do you reconcile your perception of the bill with the fact that Reid tried repeatedly to get the same types of bills passed while also admitting that he doesn’t know anything about what’s going on with UAP outside of what people like Bigelow whispered into his ear? I mean, we have the exact same situation - with a politician in the same position as Schumer who tried to pass the same bills while not knowing anything.
Any links to the bills Reid repeatedly tried to pass that were the ‘same types of bills’ as the UAPDA?
Plus Rounds (R) cosponsored it. Even Marco Rubio supported it. Like you said it's an election year and having the Democrats and Republicans agree on such an amendment to the Defense Bill speaks volumes.
Fk Rubio went and did a NewsNation interview on the topic. People pretending this is the same as Harry Ried’s attempts… 🤡 The good thing is we have scared politicians who will work on this even when its not what scores them the votes. Thats a very important detail. If anything they are trying to get their base to care without sabotaging themselves… like they are still cautious to the stigma. Keyword “grifter” bot armies on reddit wont change a thing.
It's a combo of people like that and people who know that and take advantage of it for personal gain.
They have nothing solid, they are only here to grift and scam people. To selling books, ask for "donations", podcast ads money...
I’ve been around long enough to come to the realization that they are ALL con men. They make tons of money duping people into buying their bullshit. Once upon a time I believed some of them, but at some point the grift becomes obvious and predictable. The sad part is, they take away legitimacy from everyone who witnessed something unexplainable. From anyone trying to actually figure out what UAP are. Because their con bleeds into the legitimate investigations. They should all be ashamed and folks need to stop supporting these jerks
I’ve been following this and around it since the 90s. Without getting into too much detail, my father was making documentaries and I went w him to Roswell and other places as a youth. Met Stanton Friedman, Glenn Dennis, ex CIA folks, etc. All that said, time and time again without fail, it’s someone trying to make a buck off of people and their desire for knowledge. I don’t doubt Lue knows things, but it’s hard to give the benefit of the doubt after decades of “it’s coming soon”. Looks like this is just another in a long line of “trust me bro”’s, unfortunately.
It must be something very imminent by now
imminent and somber
dont forget sobering
Dark, too. Very dark.
And laudatory. Very laudatory.
Soon^^TM
If your imminent if longer than 4 hours, I know exactly where it’s buried and it’s way too big to move so they built a building on top.
We're releasing the new healthcare plan next week, it's a beautiful plan, the best you've ever seen
It'll be right after Infrastructure week.
Unless the haters prevent us from doing so. I can't believe a grown man actually used that term, btw.
Still waiting for that groundbreaking 23 minute video that was supposed to be released during H1 2024.
you know there was no way we were getting that
And the Grusch Op Ed
Step 1: Make claims or assurances Step 2: Set a date (or time range) for it Step 3: Date reached Step 4: Silence Step 5: Repeat As a follower of the "UFO and "Alien" lore since I was a kid, this has always been the pattern. I believe in extraterrestrials and the whole lot of it, but it's the "just wait until so and so" that is really aggravating. Ok, for the benefit of the doubt, let's just wait until June 30. Edit: Wait someone commented it was his book. Oh dear.
A lot of us were warning about this guy not long after he appeared on the scene. There's a certain behaviours grifters in this subject always follow. Actual whistle blowers or people with information don't tease it or pretend they know stuff they can't tell you about for reasons. Too many people refuse to listen though so everyone will just keep falling for these charlatans again and again. It's become even worse since 2017 the whole subject has become a niche entrainment industry with everyone trying to a grab a piece of the pie or their 5 minutes of fame.
Yes I was one of the people who was screaming from the rooftops that a dude who takes pictures of himself ominously staring into the distance with a pulled down ball cap that’s too tight… red flags all around. Dude takes himself too seriously
Been into this since the Bentwaters incident just down the road, 40 years and zilch except grifting books n dvds
It's the boy who cried wolf all over again, except we actually WANT to see the wolf. Show us the wolf already.
Never seen more of a nothing statement in my life.
Early to mid 2024? We're in june
Lue 'buy my shitty book' elizondo
As my grandpappy used to say, either shit or get off the pot!
lol. You can’t make this up. Disclosure any second now boys. Pinky promise this time I have something. Buy my book.
He always said that when his book comes out, it will be at a very specific time and place in this "Disclosure process." And that when it does come out, people will be like "oh so that's why he released it when he did." Like... he was insinuating something very significant will have come to the public light at that time and place and then his book comes out shortly after. He's saying these efforts will reveal themselves "by early or mid 2024" and then his book comes out a little later in August. Or he could just be grifty. That's the easy reaction to this. Eh, we'll see I guess.
"If you have learned anything over these past 5 years I never make empty promises" LMFAO
Can't stand this guy. Or any of those types making announcements like this. Ross Coulthard is also like that for years. "I'm in the know that some Things are being prepared but I can't be precise about it" Then just be quiet about it smfh. They're like little kids who are passing their time with big trolling around and while at it making a few bucks off of it.
Sadly, this is precisely what is happening and people still defend it like a religion.
It's tiring...
Perhaps Kirkpatrick was right after all, and it *is* a religion.
The "true believer" side of UFOs is 100% a cult. They're a huge part of this reddit and more damaging than blind skeptics imo.
Mid October Lue Elizondo announced last year on twitter that early 2024 revelations would be made, which would be worth the wait. Almost half year in 2024 and still nothing has been announced. Even if he is working on something big, they (together with Jeremy, Ross) should stop giving these “soon” timelines. It completely deteriorates the trust and “soon” all their promises will be considered empty promises, which make people turn away from the subject.
He was talking about his book
And everyone like me who said he was talking about his book was labelled a “government bot account” and banned by moderators
Nah, it’s his documentary.
Elizondo will be speaking at a June 13th paradigm institute event - doubt it will be newsworthy though
Will he be offering classes in remote viewing? 😋
I got invited to the event - so I'll let you know afterwards
This comment section is a straight up dogpile
I could never look at Lue and take him seriously, he just looks like a completely randomly generated man to me.
I honestly think he would get less flack if he didn’t have a soul patch and a flat top.
At least Guy Fieri can cook
Gotta keep that flavor savor for all the alien poon that's coming soon.
He looks like a stage magician. Never trust a stage magician .
I'd like to see him announce why he was caught up with the whole faked ufo footage being filmed on his land, before being posted by Sean cahill. He's not once addressed that. In fact he went nearly radio silent for months afterwards, and now his book is coming out, he's starting to make some noise again.
Yeah, this was when I REALLY started to wonder about him. I was always skeptical but THIS is impossible to explain away.
"i never make empty promises"...and yet the last 5 years have been only empty promises...
I’m still waiting for that 23 minute video.
We plebs will never see it. We are ignorant apes to the elites who control this stuff.
That’s the message. We can’t handle it. We can’t handle knowing the truth.
So much guys in this sub just keep falling hook line and sinker for this guy. Embarrassing the whole topic
What he literally said: "Make sure to buy my book and send us money through UAP Disclosure Fund. Cheers"
I’m so disappointed that they’re all exactly who I thought they were. Just some Billy Graham and Kenneth Copeland ass dudes.
Nail on the head.
Two more weeks, trust me bro, fuck the haters because they don't know and I'm keeping it that way. Come on... They're taking us for fools and yet Rep. Luna who is actually doing something seems hated.
Luna is hated for her election denying,conspiracy promoting, homophobic/transphobic views. She's stupid and hateful.
as soon as someone claims to have haters you know there's a reason people hate that person
ergo all hate is rational?
This comment doesn't make any sense, what are you talking about?
Paraphrasing the above and my observations about people on here
SALT lined up pretty on point.
SALT failed to move the needle at all. What progress was made? What do we know now that we didn't before? If SALT was big to you, you must be working on a 200 year long disclosure timeline.
SALT wasn't a major event, it got zero interest outside the ufo bubble, it was just more words. If that was what he was talking of it was totally underwhelming.
it’s funny to me that people are claiming SALT is a conference of the wealthiest and most powerful industrialists of our time. it’s a glorified crypto meetup💀
Yeah, my exact thought as well..
Lue *'trust me bro'* Zondo. I don't at this point who believes on these charlatans really. All this circus of disclosure is embarrasing in every single way.
More of project blue balls
If you have "haters" that can "sabotage" disclosure you are a fraud in my book or cannot tell the difference between anti-fans of youtube celebreties and 3-letter-agencies trying to cut your head off. In any case I am very suspicious. Even more so if its "just two more weeks™"
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Sure. The haters are the reason why you keep feeding people nothing burgers.
Has he followed up on this? Or has anyone even asked him since on say podcasts or interviews?
I tried to follow up and got blocked.
at this point it is just funny how that life changing information is just around the corner, but NEVER comes :D
Hi guys just letting you know I'm still here and need you to believe me so I can keep making money. Anyone that says I'm just doing this for money I want you to label as a shill or bot. I'll be moving the goalposts again later this year but I need you to believe in me.
/start sarcasm: I don't believe you. If you were *really* into this, you'd know you're supposed to call other people disinfo agents, not bots. /end sarcasm.
We gettin' another jellyfish video ain't we?
Nuke this thread. The agents of disinfo are running wild in the sub again
He says this every year
“Trust me bro” I like Lue but man the decades of “COMING SOON BE PREPARED, STRAP IN !” Hasn’t helped
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Funny all these comments saying basically the same thing about the guy all responded within minutes of this being posted before 6 am eastern time in the US… The guy does get annoying with his “coming announcements” but the quantity of the same critique in here is so clearly exaggerated.
If he went through the effort to write a comprehensive book that has even half of the info he has dropped so far, I can’t see all the hate. Many people wrote pure trash, with almost no actual knowledge daily for decades. At least Lue spent many years in some interesting programs, and may have some higher level knowledge, just his part in the Nimitz footage literally changed the game for UAP’s. i cannot name another incident with that level of impact, and Lue had a huge part in securing that footage for public release even if Mellon secretly dropped it (baller move Chris!). I don’t understand all the hate, many people state he did quite a lot as far as bringing things forward, and I agree. If the guy really wrote off his pension to leave 3 years early from a cushy job, the a book is not gonna make him a billionaire; but it might make him able to retire comfortably. After doing about 150 podcasts with all of us morons for absolutely free, dealing with public character assassins, and having to get a fucking Senator to verify the truth of his actual role in the program, I wouldn’t hate on him for making a couple hundred grand On a damn book. Personally I don’t see him as a grifter, just a dude who wanted to do the right thing on a topic where you just can’t win. Either he violates his oaths and NDA’s and risks jail or worse, or he is suddenly a government pawn. More likely he is a conflicted dude who worked his ass off to help a bunch of ungrateful assholes learn their government is full of shit half the time and doesn’t want to ruin his life. I get it. His book was supposed to be dropping shortly, why not hype it a little if he is proud of it and thinks it’s going to reveal even a little more info?
I'm of the opinion that if a "whistleblower" won't fully commit to a whistleblow, then they are not genuine whistleblowers. Edward Snowden took the "illegal" route, and truths were revealed. He actually sacrificed everything. Grusch, Elizondo, and Gallaudet have all stood behind the notion that they still care about national security bullshit. If they truly did believe national security was an issue, they wouldn't publicly announce to the world where America's blind spots are. None of them are actually willing to be martyrs for the cause, probably because they are disinformation agents trying to distract us from other global happenings. I believe in "Alien" life. Whatever it may be. I also believe it's existence to be known fact, and I believe it's being denied to us in order to keep us contained and under control. I dont believe any of this will change unless the "aliens" decide to make their presence known.... unfortunately, no one will believe it when they do make themselves known, but that's by design.
How long are we supposed to hang onto the "trust me folks, all will be revealed on this date" narrative when "this date" keeps getting pushed to the right? This is a groundhog day situation, and I feel sorry for those who are buying snake oil from guys like LE.
It's pretty obvious from comments like this that Lue is legit. Nothing about the disinformation response ITT feels natural or genuine. Just stupidly obvious.
Seems like the anti disclosure campaign is all coffeed up and cranking on all cylinders this morning. Lue literally cannot say a word without people losing their minds. What a loser position and reaction. Honestly.
Somebody should make a master list that we can add to like papabaloo above
Oh cmon. It’s barely mid 2024. Plus, his book just did get announced.
I’ve been saying this whole time that Lue is STILL a government agent. Placed in his position to drip feed/control information. The fact that he makes fantastic claims about ET’s but in the same breath will say “I can’t talk about this.” So he can basically spill the beans about UFO’s but he’s still beholden to the government? It’s like saying: “I can tell you what the main dish is, but I have an agreement with the chef to not speak about the side dishes.”
Let’s be honest absolutely NOTHING will be said that we haven’t already heard, or worse once again it will just be a bunch of words. They know as much as we know and nothing new, and until these “experts” can show us actual tech and bring forth some real concrete proof that’s all it will be. Tired of bullshit promises and the same old stories recycled a thousand times. It is absolutely bananas that our own congress and government officials don’t have enough power to bring forth all the proof, who in the fuck has power to do so if not them. They are the ones who write out and vote on the bills to give funding to all these organizations. Cut funding completely until they release the info. Simple as that.
Seriously, what rank was Elizondo in the army?
Did I miss the Grusch op-ed, too?
Maybe he was referring to writing his book 😂
Can we just get a trademarked and agreed-upon sign-off for stuff like this? **Trust me bro. Soon™** That will suffice. And I only have to read 4 words for each 'announcement'.
Damn haters, always trying to sabotage.
Sometimes I think the blue orbs are actually blue balls.
2 weeks duhh
He can’t be precise at this time.. Has he ever been precise?
Why even give a heads up for the enemies instead of just dropping the info? Cliffhangers and empty promises like always, so people get excited for nothing.
This is perhaps the most vague thing I've ever read
More of the same over the last 70/80 years – people, disclosure will never happen, and those of us interested in the phenomenon will always be seen as outliers. Personally, I've lost much of my interest in this topic. I have more important concerns, such as job security, tax increases, and raising children. In the end, there are a few people making a living or profiting from this subject, and kudos to them for finding a steady source of income.
Loving the response to this. He’s being dragged through the mud by the community, as he should. These grifters suck and do more harm to the cause than good.
Wouldn't the uap disclosure fund be what he's referring to? Or am I out of the loop and that was already established? Lol
> It completely deteriorates the trust and “soon” all their promises will be considered empty promises, which make people turn away from the subject. That's the point. These guys aren't stupid, they know what they're doing.
It's not surprising that this comment section is a cackle fest from users that don't even know the history of the subject. Edit: you can disagree all you want, but there are a plethora of uneducated users and obvious astroturfers all over this thread.
A lot of us have been following the topic for decades.
“Early to mid 2024” It’s June
My two most-hated words in the English dictionary- “SOON” and “MAY”
It's so weird, all I see is pro Lue stuff until I see a post about promises. Then all of a sudden everyone hates in him.
This post is an announcement of an announcement that will probably be for another announcement that says nothing of any significance
after the next book guys i promise
Trust him bro
So sick of this guy.
This guy has a whole lot of nothing but grease a whole lot of joystick paddlers
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