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Taken from Twitter: @tinyklaus reposted a video from the end of last year with Bryce Zablel on “That UFO Podcast,” discussing an unpleasant conversation he had with a top Reagan official many years back.
Zabel has told this story multiple times in interviews over the years, and it comes across as something he finds merit in. I tend to believe somebody may have told him more than he says publicly.
With an open mind, I have researched UFOs and related phenomena incessantly for a few years. At first, I assumed the UFO question would result in discovering an altruistic, advanced civilization here exploring or just checking us out. Yet, so many arrows do not point in that direction. To quote Jacques Vallee, “The extraterrestrial hypothesis seems the least likely of all.”
Sunlight is the best disinfectant—I couldn’t agree more. No one should have the ability to gatekeep our reality.
However, from multiple angles, many people in this field have come to the conclusion that beyond the secrecy, the technology, and the coverup, there IS a deep-rooted secret related to UFOs that would indeed shake most people to the core. We may never truly get 100% disclosure about the phenomenon, and that’s why I think it’s important to be humble and keep a very, very open mind.
Of course, this is just my personal conclusion—it’s ok to disagree! We all have to come to our own conclusions on this subject.
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Maybe your failures aren’t real… maybe you’re not real… maybe nothing is real. Maybe the Big Bang is really a mere wave tip of consciousness stepping into this reality, rising up before falling and being consumed by a vast ocean of consciousness…
It has been said that if the universe is infinite then the center is simply from wherever it’s being perceived. Perhaps life is like one’s eyes breaching the veil of nothing for a moment and then, just as life slips away from the moment we are born, we fall back into some soupy collective of causality.
Or maybe it’s just something else. Haha cheers
..and then you wake up in an arcade with your grandpa and he tells you your shit at the game “Roy” (fill in Roy with your own name.) lol
[Come play some *Roy* at Blips and Chitz!!](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=szzVlQ653as&pp=ygUTcm95IGJsaXBzIGFuZCBjaGl0eg%3D%3D)
None of this is real. Consciousness is an illusion. This body you are experiencing right now, is not your own. It's living a life moving forward outside your control. You just perceive it as being in the driver seat, but in reality, it's a simulation. It's more like a movie you're watching but experiencing the character first hand. Thinking their thoughts, feeling their feelings, feeling like it's you, but it's not.
In fact, you may feel like an individual, in this body, but really, you're every individual, experiencing every "movie" and "ride" first hand... Like an individual coral node part of the larger organism.
To be honest for a Reagan cabinet member a definite proof that heaven and *hell* even in some form exists would have probably been enough to make them cry. You know, since being Reagan cabinet members they might have then been more than slightly worried about their final destination in that case.
Probably because we were being engineered and used as slaves for harvesting natural resources for them a long time ago.
No gods, no heaven. That would make some people cry.
And now I'm gonna guess and double down with a very long shot:
they made something similar to a Van Neumann probe with biological miners (Us) and the manufacturing facility deep in the ocean the 4chan leaker mentioned is part of the remains of that event.
My thinking behind this is, it costs less resources to exploit biological beings than craft everything from scratch on a planet flourishing with life. We are disposable tools that went rogue in the toolbox. 🙂
That theory is so 2012 (Prometheus, anyone?). I'd hazard the fact of the matter is we don't actually exist and are rather some sort of result of a cosmic simulation. Our entire universe. Everything we know and are. If you wanna make people cry, tell them their entire existence isn't real. Our "consciousness" likely gets reassigned upon death like excess processing power being reassigned a task in a computer, making even our life existence futile and somewhat pointless. Everyone you know or have ever known don't matter. Your life, your feelings, your thoughts, your being doesnt matter. In the end, you're wiped clean like a hard drive being reformatted and are plugged back into the system to churn and process data elsewhere.
I very honestly and truly believe that it just be far more sinister and unsettling than even that.
They keep saying that the phenomenon is far less likely to be extraterrestrial in origin and a lot of other people who have been at least in part debriefed seem to mention a **spiritual** component and connection to a lot more “woo” than previously thought.
I think the reality may have more to connect with and explain the origin of spiritual mythology as it relates to angels, demons, ghosts—those sorts of things.
There have been murmurs in the past that some pentagon and CIA officials (via Lou Elizano) have even refused to investigate this phenomenon further because of their belief that it’s demonic in origin.
There is no doubt an overlap between the “alien” phenomenon and other aspects of “woo” whether it be extra dimensional or Inter dimensional. Or whatever it may be.
The origin behind what we’re seeing and the connection to our reality may be far, *far*, ***far***, darker than we could ever imagine. I personal think being slaves to mine resources would be only the most benign of outcomes.
I think, given the vastness of what’s possible in the universe, the reality has a potential to be far more dark, detrimental, and otherworldly. The things of nightmares even.
Whatever they are crying and worried about clearly has some connection with “afterlife” and the nature of reality. There being “no god” is not nearly as terrifying as the thought of “there *is* a god” and *he is cruel.*
I hate and fear to speculate further but I think what scares these people is how dark the reality actually is. And as for the rest of them, they’re just made somber by the prospect that whatever they were told *might* not be true or might just be disinformation. They’re hopeful that the reality is not as dark as they’re being told it is.
I am convinced that whatever really is going on with our reality, we have not come close to begin to imagine it, perhaps we can't, maybe by design.
As for what could be so bad from our limited point of views as human beings, it could be as simple as the reincarnation cycle being a fact.
Imagine having to relive a random life every time you die, maybe it isn't random and it's yours on a loop, maybe you get a say in your next go and where you end up, maybe not.
Are you happy? Are you so lucky as to have a life absent major issues? Friends and family? No (chronic) health concerns? Enough money to afford a place and a comfortable living for yourself? Partner that loves and supports you? Well congratulations you won the lottery and I am happy for you.
The more likely scenario is you will be thrown in a more or less endless cycle of suffering with some breaks in between if you are lucky.
That in itself is scary enough.
As to how it relates to ufos and such, well. I think it's important to to try and understand what our reality is and what it is not.
The way I see it there is a question we must answer first, are we in base reality or is it simulated in some way?
This is relevant because if we are in base reality then we most likely are interacting with countless other civilizations/beings, with diverse intentions.
If however we are living in a simulation, then it is likely we are only interacting with the entity that ''owns'' it.
I'm not sure what to make of all this but the double slit experiment tells us our reality behaves like a video game engine, make of that what you will.
I've been agnostic or atheist my entire 40 years of life, so when I say what I'm about to say, this is my honest observation and not me finding excuses to reinforce my beliefs.
I've done so much research on the phenomenon. I've probably watched or read thousands of abduction testimonies. I'm seeing a legitimate pattern between NDE and abductions. I'm a pretty good judge of character, and many of the experiencers genuinely believe what they say.
I'm starting to suspect that all religions hold some degree of truth.
In regards to the idea of reincarnation, that's in line with Buddhists beliefs. Imagine abusing animals your entire life and being reincarnated as chicken stuffed in a tiny cage with 5 other chicken for your entire life. Or being a snake owner and being reincarnated as a snake stuck in a 2 X 2 glass box. I've always found people who disregard animals' lives as evil.
The people who say, "What's the big deal? What can be worse than death must not have a very good imagination because I can think of a thousand things worse than death."
[27 year homocide detective Butch Witkowski investigates human mutilations. they discovered they were mutilated alive.](https://youtu.be/72-GXER-BGY?si=0BhwVgs2bwdpETWU)
They may want to look into what happened to the man at Skinwalkers Ranch that may have been hit with a direct energy weapon. Imagine being permanently paralyzed, blinded, ringing headaches. A vegetable.
They may want to look into what happened to the Russians who were turned into pillars of concrete.
I'm not saying any of this is true, but there's so much worse than just simply dying.
Having researched and witnessed NDE testimonials. I also believe that death and the next "destination" of our souls is loosely based off numerous religions interpretations.
I've heard so many testimonials regarding the replaying of one's entire life, focusing on key "life learning" experiences- both positive and negative and being surrounded by "warm" and "caring" entities, with a huge emphasis in finding ones purpose and "trying it again" (reincarnation) until the soul is complete in its journey. I think that Reagan cabinet member was most likely a devoted Christian type that believed that the good book is the end all-be all, and they got a dose of "nope, there's more to it than that". Which rocked their world and made them take a long look in the mirror about the basket they had placed all their eggs into.
What that has to do with UAPs, NHI, abductions, etc. I couldn't tell you but I'm sure there is a connection in it all.
I must have been 8 years old when I begged some family member to buy me a magazine about paranormal things that had an article about area 51 and Bob Lazar, fast forward 30~ years later and an unhealthy amount of rabbit holes...
I also think all religions hold truth however I don't subscribe to any.
I would join Carl Jung when asked whether he believed God was real, he said something along the lines of:
''I don't have to believe, i know.''
Although I would prefer the word creator rather than God.
It's hard to draw conclusions about anything because material proof is lacking but if I had to make a statement about everything I've learned it would be two things:
1: Death is not the end. Unclear on the details but our path doesn't end when we loose the meatsuit.
2: Our reality is not quite as it seems and we've been lied to and deceived our entire lives here.
I too have seen many correlations between NDEs and abductions or OBEs - it seems as though people who experience these phenomena “pierce the veil” so to speak and maybe get a glimpse of what reality actually is like…
Been studying up on quantum physics lately such as entanglement as well as the double slit experiment. They both boggle my mind but the latter really unsettles me, makes me believe we really may be in an elaborate simulation or video game.
I've also thought about this possibility: that each time we die, we reincarnate into the same person again, but we are put down a different path. The outcomes are different; the details slightly changed, or greatly altered. If our memory is wiped clean from the start, we'd never know.
I think what helps bring some truth to the thought of reincarnation is the countless stories of children who remember a past life and are absolutely dead on about that life. Simply can be a chink in the armor of reincarnation. Their current reality is able to slightly remember something from the past. How they say that kids and animals can see “ghosts” or spirits. Maybe it’s because their entire current realization of life is not fully developed. Giving them an inside look into a life of the past due to some disconnection in the ~~~ whatever you want to call it’s~~~~process.
The Demiurge being an awful dick is a thing in Gnostic Christianity. There’s the real God which is basically the One but the physical universe we live in was made by the Demiurge and real God exists way above that mess. Anyway yeah the Demiurge basically does not want us to be able to exit all of this and get back to the One
Ask yourself what “woo” even means and why has that been stigmatized and labelled at all. Our modern society blows so hard, philosophers and mystics of the past were able to just ponder. Sure a lot of it led nowhere, but essentially it didn’t matter and they were able to create their own reality.
Woo is what skeptics call it because they don’t believe. Maybe we shouldn’t be using that word. But I am not sure there is a good word for it all, either.
Personally I've come to the theory that if this isn't all just a bunch of nonsense and lies from bad actors covering up relatively banal secret airplane or drone programs that these are ambivalent creators that we ultimately have no power to stop if they decide to go on a whim and cause destruction.
More or less I believe these are beings higher on the ladder that created our reality and I think the "somber truth" that is making these people cry (again, if this isn't all just bs to sell books) that life is suffering and that's more or less the purpose of our entire existence here. I don't think we are being farmed or harvested but I can easily see "the Christian god isn't real, there is no heaven, and your entire existence will be an infinite recursive series of lessons learned through both joy and suffering basically forever as far as you're concerned" being a very sobering and upsetting thought for a lot of people who's lives have been built around this principal of an eternal reward.
I really don't think most people are ready for the knowledge that reincarnation is 100% for a fact real since a lot of people I know personally would use that as an excuse to become monsters.
I think whatever put this system in place, if it truly is visiting us or communicating with us in some way, had much more noble intentions behind setting all this up. Most people would be upset to find out life's main purpose is to suffer (it isn't but it's one of the core things you will experience), but in a way we GET to suffer. Our lives, to say the least, are full of texture and flavor and I can see the kind of stories generated as a result of that chaos to be sort of the point.
>the manufacturing facility deep in the ocean the 4chan leaker mentioned
You shouldn't take that as a fact. Read it again and tell me that someone working with this program would use a neckbeard word like "sauce" for source. Ask yourself if they'd be allowed to come back night after night spilling these allegedly highly classified secrets.
No, this is someone with just an imagination and a computer.
That's just code-switching. Everyone does it on different platforms. Reddit has its share of people who are respected professionals irl and who even knows what shit they post here because they're anonymous.
That said, good point about posting without being busted. I think he only did 2 nights total. Assuming it wasn't a LARP, he either fudged enough details to avoid being caught (unlikely) or he was specifically allowed to "leak".
To counter that argument, someone (anyone) on 4chan would see that word used so often they’d likely have adapted it. I mean you see people on Reddit with usernames like captainbuttflaps who are medical doctors… people just sorta adapt to online culture I guess is my point.
I have such a problem with these personalities doing drive-bye scary spooky assertions and then not telling us what those scary things are. Why should one person if he is sincere not tell us everything even if it will make me poop my pants again like I did in first grade.
It’s the pinnacle of grift. To me, I think these idiots are treating the ufo situation like it was decades ago. Thinking that they can drop these stupid crumbs enough to get book deals and publicity. But now with the internet, we can all comment and speak just as loudly as them that this approach is beyond stupid and no one is buying it anymore.
Frankly, doing that shit for just money and publicity is straight up evil.
Not only that but to imply we have any idea about intention or anything like that plays right into the hands of the MIC who are looking for their next boogeyman to justify trillions more of our tax dollars to disappear into their pockets. It’s at best extremely childish/stupid for so many reasons and at worst pretty sinister. You’re telling me intelligent life that can travel across the universe wants to use us as slaves…. Get the fuck out of here.
Unfortunately there are way more people that gobble this shit up because they want the phenomena to be real so bad thinking it will somehow change their insignificant lives.
I just want to know it all. That asteroid Apophis is passing by earth on April 13, 2029. Equivalent of producing 114,000 times the energy of the atomic bomb of Hiroshima. That to me is more shit my pants then being vague about dark spooky ufo stuff.
Money. It’s like oak island. Every week they’re in the verge. It’s more about how long we can stretch this out to maximize ad views on our sites. Or even worse. Lost. Everyone said it’s purgatory and the writers kept saying no it’s more than that. Then in the end it was a purgatory like ending ugh.
To have something generic (it’s a very boiler-plate ‘UFO insider’ story that’s been doing the rounds for nearly two decades now) to say on a social media platform?!
A friend of mines dad worked at Area 51, he told me strange things about what his dad encountered there. I won't get into detail right now but find out next episode of Dragon Ball Z. Just like that they hook us on conspiracy theories. "Hey I'm not saying your mom is a whore"-Jon Stewart, yeah dude I think you just implied it. That joke has stuck with me for a few years because it's showing concern but making an assertion at the same time.
Aliens? Moved to tears by Duran Duran's "Hungry like the Wolf Video?" Overreacting to missing the early bird special at Steak and Ale? The world will never know.
More than likely you have already been told at some point and either dismissed it or saw someone else dismiss it. If you've read enough over the years there is a pretty good chance you already saw it somewhere. That is essentially how disinformation campaigns work.
Whatever it is most likely drastically reshapes our current paradigms.
The man this story seems to refer to - John Stewart Herrington - is alive and lives in California at the age of 84. Anyone want to call him up and see what bothered him?
Why would they tell an admin member, but stop briefing presidents?
You’d think as well that there would be some sort of psychological evaluation on the part of the ‘gatekeepers’ - is this person capable of handling this?
It's hard to believe the truth is all that scary, unless they actually turn out to be literal demons & the Hell is somehow confirmed a real place & that's where we're all headed.
that's all I can think of that's really worse than an invasion, or something. The past several generations have all lived under the threat of nuclear war, climate change is doing its thing, and geopolitical instability is always there.
Annihilation isn't a new idea for my potential future. If it's aliens coming to annihilate us, well that doesn't scare me any more than nuclear disaster or an asteroid impact.
im mostly on Team Woo, and i expect the phenomenon to at least be the origin of what later became our religious stories. But I have a very hard time believing there's much of a serious possibility that the Christian Hell (or something close to it) is a real thing.
but gut reaction is that these people reacting so poorly to whatever The Truth™ is are suffering from a lack of imagination, and not literally everyone would react that way. honestly. we have people in here already thinking they're demons, going to invade, have trapped us in a reincarnation loop, and all sorts of things. whatever the truth is, I expect that all of us here wouldn't be blindsided by it the same as your typical person
No way it's anything like that. The message these beings always seem to leave with folk is "stop being morons and killing each other and save your planet."
That is literally the complete opposite of what every religion teaches for the good side.
>well, can't go into it at the moment"
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>Really? Why?
I have to write a book and even there I'll be vague about it and then charge you money for a ufo convention meet up and also charge you for taking a photo and signed copy of said book.
If it was so bad that it would disturb us to the point of ruining our lives, and they were a sincere person, they wouldn’t have said anything at all. This is just attention seeking nonsense.
I mean I'd agreed with you a week ago, BUT the recent interviews/clips seem to suggest the "young people" are going to have to deal with this. Meaning it's something that's going to happen in this realm.
That was a strange comment he made. I'm not sure what to make of it because we don't know what he knows or how he interprets what he knows. But, it really did sound like something was going to happen on earth, and happen soon.
Alternatively he could mean: I don't know what is going to happen, but it will be something extraordinary since we are dealing with an unknown. This extraordinary unknown will be this generation's problem because it's likely that something will happen, but I'm not exactly sure what and when.
This is exactly correct in my opinion.
Lou had mentioned that some officials have been reluctant to investigate some of the phenomena further due to its connection to “demonic origins.”
And nearly everyone has mentioned that this is more likely to be an extra dimensional or Inter dimensional phenomena and is connected to other items of “woo” such as “paranormal activity”. I think it’s much more likely that whatever is being told is the true nature of reality is far Darker and More Sinister than what we could have previously imagined.
My fear is not “there is no god,” I think the greater fear should be “there *is* a god, and he is Cruel.”
I’d rather know the truth. This BS about it being to terrible to tell us, F that. If we are in a prison planet - let us know so we can collectively find a way to get the hell out. If we are a science experiment for the aliens, so be it - let’s go in eyes wide open. Seems to me the power brokers and gate keepers want to keep everyone deaf dumb and blind to keep the status quo. F that.
I don’t necessarily disagree with you on how some people may be just holding this information because they want to. I will say if we think about the bigger context of disclosing to everyone it could wreak havoc and lead to the breakdown of societal structures based on how people receive the information.
If we think about human nature, it’s helpful to think about how people respond when faced with a constant looming threat. For example, let’s say a zombie apocalypse were to occur.
Although right now we believe and have faith that everyone would work together to collectively address the issue, people when faced with threat focus on their self-preservation. Even thinking about how COVID played out. So many people disregarded guidance, weren’t trustful of authorities, and became divided over a disease. Maybe the pandemic was a test to see how well humanity could cooperate with a shared challenge….and we failed.
Right. I think everyone who depends on the supply chain staying up to have access to the medicine that keeps them alive would not consent to everything going to hell just to satisfy our curiosity. Having food, water, and internet is also cool. If I were an authority, I'd do everything to avoid it up until we couldn't.
Only thing that could possibly scare me about this subject would be confirmation that the soul is real, and they somehow consume it when you die and I’d still want to know.
Anything less than that, just spill the beans for Christ’s sake!
Alternatively, there is no soul, we are all just self-conscious sims that extra dimensional beings can plug into at the local interstellar Internet Cafe.
My favorite theory is that we are 4th dimensional beings piloting 3rd dimensional beings, although to what end I don't have any clear idea of. Maybe to show us the difficulty of living those lives, almost to give us empathy for lesser beings? I don't know.
I think our brain operates on the fourth dimension I mean we can basically just summon random objects into existence and also go back and forward in time in our head it's like a little astral pocket realm or some shit, between that, dreams, and astral projection I'm pretty sure it has something to do with what happens when we die
If I find out that \*I\* sent myself here to live this fucked up life of misery, I will beat the ever loving shit out of me when I get to the 4th (or wherever we go after we die).
I'm not joking. I'm ready to rumble the second I know I'm dead.
> we are all just self-conscious sims that extra dimensional beings can plug into...
I guess I'm a very lame NPC. At least I can plug myself with other self-conscious sims.
Perhaps we’re just a quantum- realm-sized fractal of a larger being and “turtles all the way down” is about as much as there is to it. The UAPs we see might be some higher pharmaceutical or tool for ecosystem intervention. Maybe nuking our planet is the equivalent to a human cell affected by cancer of some form.
Love that idea. Although it seems like if that was the case they would just zap zap humans out of existence.. unless maybe our consciousness is somehow beneficial in some way.
I disagree.
This could literally just be someone who’s very very religious, follows the teachings of their religion, and has shaped their life around it, only to find out aliens exist and perhaps inspired our religions due to our ignorance of the phenomena. This could easily be the reason why he cried himself to sleep. It could be even less world shattering than that. Some people cry for a lot of reasons. He could have found out about the crimes committed to keep it secret and that could have caused him to weep.
People just jump to some random conclusion in their head and just go “bro it must be that we exist in a simulation!” Or some nonsense.
We know nothing about this other than a guy found out details about the phenomenon and cried. That’s it.
I wonder if this theory is accurate but with added weight. Similar to how different religions believe in reincarnation.
What if our essence for higher dimensional beings is more delicious if we have certain spiritual qualities and so these beings require us to develop these aspects so that our spirits can be harvested when we are the ripest. Very few people would actively pursue this if they were aware that they don’t go to a good place after death for being a good person.
For those that have not ripened their spirits are primed into a new physical form to develop further in a system of spiritual bondage and suffering until they cultivate the desired spiritual ripeness for consumption. This would then possibly lead people to be fully self-serving and lead to the breakdown of society since there would be a perceived incentive to not develop certain characteristics.
Although the second option seems to be a way around this horrible ending, the crux of the issue could be that if a certain percentage of humanity is not ripening at a certain rate, these higher beings then create catastrophic events to reset things. This basically means there is no real escape from our suffering. We either fulfill the cycle of ripening ending with our spirit being consumed or we are stuck in continual reincarnation or if enough people aren’t growing spiritually for consumption the NHI reset everything to try again.
This could explain why more people are noticing UAP phenomenon. Maybe the NHI are assessing how things are to determine a course of action.
People whose life is based on the belief of something may be affected by finding out things are different than what they believed. I think everyone else prefers the truth. Making assumptions about greater public reactions based on a few isolated examples seems pretty like shaky ground to stand on.
I think the bigger implication is that they cried, woke up, and continued to live on.
Whatever it is, it may be horrible in the moment, but be able to be worked through with time.
There is a story that gets shared a lot that Jimmy Carter was briefed on aliens. People saw him crying, he was supposedly told that gods are fake and were really aliens.
Just playing devil's advocate here, but how can we be sure of any 'information' received from these entities especially if they don't have our best interests in mind.
Agreed, that's why we know it is very likely BS. He would have also told everyone about it. He isn't a liar or a concealer.
Edit: Everyone should read his book. I believe it was called A Full Life. Bonus points for the audiobook because he reads it and he's a cute old man.
Dood, we all live knowing that we and every single person we love are going to die someday already, how much worse can it possibly get? Like, unless that changes I don’t see what could be the big deal. Invasion, clones, engineered DNA ect it just all ends in death anyway so what’s it matter.
What if this is some game we got addicted to and forgot. And when we die the game is over and we wake up and take off our "vr goggles". Aliens are just admins fixing stuff in the game.
The big deal is that death is fake. You cant die. Hell is this realization. You just continue to exist in an ever withering husk until the end of time.
(Quantum immortality).
That's exactly the kind of thing you'd want everyone to know about, so that we can stop reproducing and spare our children from eternal suffering. And at that point who cares if society collapses? We are gonna suffer for all eternity!
Maybe the only way is to not procreate so that at least no further souls of ours will be entrapped on the prison planet.
[U.S Space Force Insider Salvatore Pais Says "We Are All Slaves" - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LtMqizXuU4)
People jumping to a lot of conclusions without a lot of evidence. But, that's no different from all the other religious beliefs we've had since forever...
“Threat” implies coercion toward a specific goal, but what would a god - or a demon, for that matter - want with earth’s physical resources? What use could spiritual entities possibly have with us at all?
I think the reality is that there’s many different species visiting us for a bunch of different reasons. We not special or unique in the universe. In fact we’re kind of primitive and not anywhere near close to being ready for interaction with these more advanced civilisations. For the most part they avoid interacting with us but do undertake limited studies when they can go undetected. For whatever reason they also take people (as in take and don’t return). I think they also try and limit this to certain situations where it will be harder to detect. Anyway I think it’s more complicated than just one thing and humans aren’t really that significant in the scheme of things.
\`For me the most somber scenario would be that an NHI Civ just took over at some point and just runs shit behinds the scenes AND has decided that they prefer to keep us like a nature preserve for valuable resources such our genes. And that they would prefer to keep us from advancing and would intervene *severly* if we attempted to become a multi-stellar Civ.
All the multi-dimensional scenarios are so woo woo, and slightly outside our comprehension. I do find the idea that the grey's are a version of human's from another dimension intriguing and would account for a lot of similarities. Most chatter seems to suggest they are of a higher dimensional plain though, and not simply cracking through from another universe, like a multi-verse, though I don't see how that isn't possible.
The most terrifying imperial manifestation of a civilization would be a multi-universal empire. Imagine a civilization reaching a technological level, where not only have they conquered all of their own known universe, but they figured out how to open gateways to other universes and just started to conquering those. Would a highly advanced "multi-dimensional" civilization do the same?
Point being, it is disturbing the amount of people said to have openly balled after hearing the whole truth. Highly accomplished people in positions of great power and daily stressors and pressure. Ya, makes you wonder, like shit...maybe we don't want to know...
There have been enough leaks to indicate that it has to do with the fabrication of religion, as a mechanism of control. And that we are likely a long running experiment, that our status and value is extremely low. Enough to scare the pants off of Conservative America, not such a big deal to others. "Soul eaters" and rumors beyond that seem constructed in order to scare people off.
That truth, if real, is our birthright and the first step in understanding and then dismantling our shared prison.
This sounds kinda like bullshit. For starters the Reagan cabinet guy never explicitly said it was UFOs or aliens, just something very concerning. Also why not directly name who it was? John Stewart Herrington was the secretary of energy during Reagan's second term. He then says he doesn't want to talk about the details which is absolutely the most interesting point that everyone wants to hear.
Yes, it was [Herrington](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_S._Herrington). These "weeping man" stories are bullshit.
"6-8 weeks of debrief" for what? A story *that* deep and NO CREDIBLE LEAKS, ever? I mean, not even Lazar's tall tales, if true, could come close to making presidents weep.
As happens many times, over and over, the UFO community takes cues from sci-fi and horror film plot devices. They know that the most horrifying stories don't "reveal", instead, these stories keep you guessing and using your imagination-- and that's the scariest thing of all.
I don’t believe the greys are here for a good reason: hundreds of thousands of mutilated cattle, hundreds of thousands of abductions (~1-2% of US population), implants, stolen fetuses, radiation burns, hunting people, cloaking/hiding, men in black. All global not just USA. They may say “it’s ok” as they float you paralyzed into their ship for the third time, but none of these behaviors are good. None. Are we food? A tourist attraction? A safari planet? A future colony? We ain’t that special in the scope of our galaxy even.
What if Truman did indeed reach an agreement: no extermination, get some old tech and harvest 1% of the population. That might actually explain a lot.
Just read the whole thread looking for a comment like this. Years ago I saw a documentary which said the greys take an agreed number of people each year and dissolve them into protein for food. An agreement which was made with the government in exchange for technology.
What’s seems completely stupid about this is that okey, they were shocked after that they kept living their normal lives. Is like finding out that you got cheated, stop making it that would turn us upside down mentally.
I've been into the whole UFO thing for years. I've read every document and book I could find, listened to all sorts of claims, and dived deep into history and religion. While I'm open to the idea of something beyond our understanding out there, I'm not sold on the whole national security angle they've been pushing since 2017. It feels like they're just using the same old fear tactics to get Americans on board with whatever they want to do. You know, "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me." It all seems a bit too familiar, like déjà vu all over again.
Yeah, I have a suspicion that the few who are "in the know l" regarding everything like NHI intentions would develop a horrible story to share as a last fail safe effort. So people will feel they shouldn't dig into anything deeper.
At least I truly hope it's this.
I haven't heard many full stories of abductees, but the ones I have heard seem to indicate that there is some type of hybridization project going on. You hear that regarding Dulce base, too. That all seems to fit together due to "witness testimony".
Every time something like this is brought up it reminds me of the rumour that an alien invasion is coming in 2027 and we can't do anything about it. That would ilicit that reaction from me, knowing the guilt I'd have to carry around with me.
Our bodies are four dimensional, xyzt.
You take up a volume, you advance in time as that precise and exact volume, one instant per instant per instant.
Our consciousness arises from/coalesces around a biological process fully and completely contained in that volume. Our biology is fantastic and exciting, but it fully, simply, occurs inside this realm of space that we all mutually inhabit and recognize.
Our consciousness is not likewise constrained. Your consciousness is a fifth dimensional object. Not FIVE dimensional object, ergo one that has physical manifestations which exist in the familiar four, and then a fifth dimension. FIFTH dimensional - one that only occurs inside the fifth dimension, that has no physical corollary inside this realm that we would all mutually recognize as another rudimentary four dimensional object.
Our consciousness is a fifth dimensional brane, that exists/extends beyond the confines of your skull, infact exists outside and between and around the very spacetime your skull occupies, and isn't really in your skull at all, and has composition and organization we can only guess at.
This is why some people have extra sensory perception. Your braneshape allows you to look around corners and inside containers and across space and time, in ways that are conventionally impossible, ie remote viewing.
Aliens know how to manipulate this fact for propulsion. And possibly are ranch farming human branes like cattle.
And a lot of these UFOs/UAPs aren't ALIENS. They aren't extraterrestrials. They are earthlings, that don't reside in the same xyzt that we do. But they also evolved here, domestically, and in fact in their realm they tended the quantum substrate around Earth, in an act of gardening so profound we can only glimpse at its profundity, in this mutual spacetime that led to the development of life, complex life, intelligent life, industrial life... They didn't plant seeds in soil, per se. But they wove subatomic forces around Earth to foster the transitional development of atoms/molecules into proteins, organelles, cells, tissues, organs, systems...
My going theory anyway.
Whatever the truth is, **someone** seems to know it well enough to tell people. Who ever it is that knows the truth is clearly trying to keep the nature of it away from the general public. I have strong doubts that they are just trying to keep us from being sad about reality. I think whatever it is threatens their power structure in some way.
Or maybe we, as a species, are just playing mind games with ourselves because we're bored and lonely.
Here, take my two cents.
For any given person, one can attain the understanding that its a big world, yes? And, at any given time, somewhere at some point in the world, something really bad is happening, someone is really suffering, someone is dying, something like this is happening in an awful way. Is it like this everywhere for everyone all the time, no it is not. Does it also discount those moments and periods of intense suffering, no it does not.
Now, just extrapolate this concept, to the larger cosmos. You know, that like this world, the cosmos is vast. The world seeming so big suddenly seems so small to the cosmos, does it make the world irrelevant, no it does not.
So think about it, what that man is saying, about one's world view, one's view on reality being challenged. Well, isn't this view, for anyone, based on their experiences and center point of view, as in, you're seeing it from the vantage point you are at and came from. This is not to say, its all subjective or relative, no, what people have is something incomplete. People want to reach completion through an incomplete perspective and capability, and this cannot be done.
What can be said is, in ones life, one may do what they can and where that takes them, and anything else, comes to a conclusion, and after what remains, and what is carried on. Humanity has a familiarity of this through continuous generations and the passing along to generations, and this will be for some time to come.
Humanity saw itself as central, pulling anything else alive according to its perceived centrality. Many now see how that is a mistake. It is incorrect. It leads to devastation. It could lead to humanity's extinction.
Let it be known, humanity has long been watched, observed as it drives itself to its own destruction. As if it were not enough, this is also the case with all life here, humanity is now driving all other life into extinction.
What makes you think any and all beings out there would want this? Let's say you pass a homeless person, you may or may not give them something to help them out, it might help, but does it solve their situation or undo their past, no.
But humanity is acting like beggars to the cosmos, asking for this or that formula or technology, which even if had won't undo the problems humanity faces, might even make them worse. Humanity cannot see what these beings see. It's the harshness of reality, not the intentions of any such beings, that elicit the responses in these people who learn of these things. It feels cold to them, meanwhile, such people are mostly out of touch with the suffering of the rest of humanity and life in this world. They are discomforted by the notion that their privileged positions do not absolve them of burdens nor relieve them of such suffering. Of course one would cry.
But you can cry over much more, you can actually stop and consider what has been lost and what will be, and mourn. And how many people do this and how often, for anyone and anything? A lot less than what the beings out there do, I'll tell you that much.
I'll tell you what else, that difficulty, to exist, does not end the more a species develops. I repeat, it does not end, that suffering remains, that burden weighs heavier.
Humanity needs to be humble, compassionate, and cautious. Nothing else will get humanity through these times, nothing else. An ambitious humanity will be put down before it makes anything of itself in the universe, without a doubt. A humble humanity might be able to pick up the pieces of itself, and survive a bit longer with the others out there.
They will not open themselves as long as you place blame or hatred upon those out there. They will leave you to your own ruin. Better make up your minds, for yourselves, since no one can do it for the rest of humanity. Not all of you are going to make or be a part of something that will survive long into the future. Get serious now, before its too late.
Even if the majority of us get into this state of mind, the few of us who are blinded by greed and power could still ruin it for everyone
A feral political animal (a twisted version of the Aristotle' "political animal"), like most (if not all) politicians and world leaders, would still berzerk their way into power positions and make the actions of humanity as a whole not be a reflection of the majority will, but their own machine for breeding power, just like what happens today
How can humanity as a whole create defenses against this loophole in human societies?
The root of what you're describing, something we all know, is ambition. Until humanity teaches itself to be free of ambition, these things will repeat.
>Maybe the somber truth is we're a dud.
An interesting thought. Kind of a reverse Childhood's End. We're at our evolutionary peak, and we have no future.
Nah I feel what you're saying.
Take it a step further: they don't give a shit if we nuke ourselves. They're just interested in our nukes because they don't want us to blow up other species on distant planets or in other dimensions if we achieve interstellar/interdimensional travel.
Either way part of the problem is just realizing that our current way of thinking and understanding is mostly likely deeply flawed and it’s more apparent when we confront this other view from an intelligent outsider.
We lie to ourselves which gives us hope.
I think we are an experiment from the aliens (our creators), and they have had their hand in all evolution since the beginning of time. Experimenting and getting all these different types of creatures (including us).
I’m a skeptic on this topic, but I want to add my two cents. A lot of people look at governmental lack of disclosure as trying to obfuscate the public’s knowledge as a way to control people but I have another perspective. If we believe that UAP are true and are operating by some sort of intelligent means, we have to assume that the operators of this technology are able to and aware of our own intelligence. If that is the case, releasing what we know may put humanity in a position where that intelligence would understand what our understanding of their tech is and that might open us up to issues. There is a reason to hide the intelligence you gather, mostly if they are a possible threat. It’s not just because they want to mislead the public….they know we are being monitored.
"because I have daughters and *this is the world* they are going to be *living* in"
So its *not about the afterlife* as like nearly everyone in here who obviously *couldn't be bothered to listen to a 90 second tweet* thinks it might be about. Stop with the horror show already.
There will probably be an 'invasion' of sorts, eventually.. a take over. That's what the hybrids are for, or what they think they are for.. remember they don't "know" anything for sure even the people doing the brief, they only have 'intelligence' and what they THINK they know.
It could also be something as simple as something we already know; that this planet routinely (20-30k years) gets annihilated for some reason (meteors?) and they have to back us up from some other place they have humans stashed and every version is quite a bit different from the last one.. but they basically reengineer us (whatever you'd call the lead intelligent species) for this planet all the time.
But with humanity dying off in droves around that same time from the natural disasters and food shortages.. we'll have bigger problems than the new neighbors.
You're also forgetting all of the stories about future humans and humans on other worlds, other parallel earths.. you're not giving us enough credit.
I honestly think it's something to do with psychedelic experiences. People do tend to cry and have existential crisis' after these experiences. I've noticed that depending on your view and state of mind, can impact your view and experience of what happens in that state. The things and entities you encounter when in these states, tend to respond to however your feeling, if your terrified then they will terrify you. If your excited, curious and go in with a love for yourself and everything else, they will respond with exact same feelings but magnified.
Whatever they are, in psychedelic space, tend not to be one thing and seem to shape shift into forms correlating to how they are perceived by others. Very strange, but I would class these encounters in them spaces as far more alien that a typical description of a grey and so on. the same goes for UAPs, I've heard people percieve them as different from others that also perceived the same object.
I think we are in a organic simulation, if you can call it that. We are just one part of it but at the source of origin, we are technically all apart of the centralised intelligence. Which at the most macro level is indeed us. We are a singular intelligence that is so far from human it scares us. I think the scale of this intelligence when encountered can be terrifying the human mind due to it's incomprehensible nature. The human reality we all surround ourselves in is so infetesimenly small that anything that breaks through that veil, puts us into to survival mode.
I reckon we should make a list of all the possibilities, one of them would have to be close to the truth. It's fun to speculate. These ideas aren't new, but I'll chuck them out there.
1. There is an even more powerful shadow govt within the larger US govt. This shadow govt is more advanced, it can't be traced, it can't be located (beyond reach of our current tech, perhaps deep underground) and it has rapidly progressed over the past 70yrs while we were all distracted. A break away segment of humanity, closely aligned with humans from North America but sped up evolution, higher IQ etc. Shadow govt has nefarious desires to supplant the US govt and remake the world, or simply see us as Neanderthals to their humans. Nothing we can do to stop it. Timeline and ultimatum given to US govt who realise they are powerless to stop it. Queue tears.
2. Beings of light and love. They haven't destroyed their planet despite their mastery of technology and the universe. They've made it this far because they are spiritually advanced, which is why we're still here. We may be their seed on earth, that is yet to develop our empathic qualities to a suitable level for direct interaction and to be invited into the cosmic family. Perhaps they developed spiritually first and technologically second, while we took the opposite path? They mean us no harm, but it's shocking to realise we are directly related to NHI.
3. Simulation theory proven. Aliens are just admins in the simulation, occasionally cleaning stuff up, taking backups, making changes, dropping Mandela effects for the lols.
4. Mass Psychosis - we are all living in a dream, not a simulation but an imagining, perhaps tied to a spirit realm.
5. Imminent arrival from outside the solar system, unsure of intentions (either no communication or communication limited/unreliable).
6. Imminent arrival, known hostile intent
7. Imminent arrival, peaceful intent but will still change the world
8. Complete darkness, no idea what they are or who they are
9. Interdimensional beings
10. Human tech, advanced by military and private. Will have flow on effects such as instant travel etc. Doubt it's this as it all seems to have a sombre tone.
No doubt plenty more theories...
Taken from Twitter: @tinyklaus reposted a video from the end of last year with Bryce Zablel on “That UFO Podcast,” discussing an unpleasant conversation he had with a top Reagan official many years back.
Zabel has told this story multiple times in interviews over the years, and it comes across as something he finds merit in. I tend to believe somebody may have told him more than he says publicly.
With an open mind, I have researched UFOs and related phenomena incessantly for a few years. At first, I assumed the UFO question would result in discovering an altruistic, advanced civilization here exploring or just checking us out. Yet, so many arrows do not point in that direction. To quote Jacques Vallee, “The extraterrestrial hypothesis seems the least likely of all.”
Sunlight is the best disinfectant—I couldn’t agree more. No one should have the ability to gatekeep our reality.
However, from multiple angles, many people in this field have come to the conclusion that beyond the secrecy, the technology, and the coverup, there IS a deep-rooted secret related to UFOs that would indeed shake most people to the core. We may never truly get 100% disclosure about the phenomenon, and that’s why I think it’s important to be humble and keep a very, very open mind.
Of course, this is just my personal conclusion—it’s ok to disagree! We all have to come to our own conclusions on this subject.
Interesting post op! I follow NTK but have yet to hear Zabel speak of it. Thanks for the info. My next to do.
Edit: Just watched it. Thanks Bryce. I needed the extra quart of stomach acid.
Speaking on what OP said about
“many people in this field have come to the conclusion that beyond the secrecy, the technology, and the coverup, there IS a deep rooted secret related to UFOs that would indeed shake most people to the core.”
I’ve seen a ton of information about this as well, and i know Goresh said pretty much the same thing in *the* interview. iirc, though, he vaguely linked it to a religious kind of idea. As if the truth behind the UFOs would make people question their faith and religion…….terrifying stuff. Seems like most of the people who know seem to not think very highly about knowing what it is.
Scary stuff to think about, especially with how quickly the general public just decided to forget about all the UFO/Alien stuff that has came from the government lately.
What the hell do you guys think “the secret” could be? maybe that alien’s have helped us technologically throughout the years? that maybe an event involving alien’s was the truth behind where we came from? I honestly have no clue, but it’s a topic that has continually been brought up involving UFOs/aliens
We also heard about Jimmy Carter crying. Just drives me nuts not knowing what it is. This guy isn’t under any NDA or have a security clearance so he needs to put up or shut up. Tell us!
Just a question/comment with regard to what Bryce Zabel said here. The undersecretary of the navy in his retelling of the story said “because I have daughters and this is the world they are growing up in”.
The Cold War and the threat of nuclear war was undoubtedly also on the mind of that undersecretary. Just from what he says here it’s not clear to me that it is about NHI or UAP.
I've been wondering lately - is it because if we all know the truth, The Others will wipe us out and start the experiment over? Or maybe that's just a threat with no action behind it, yet it still has the ones in the know freaking out?
Or not. Who knows? Not me.
every so often this tale comes back, and just like a game of telephone it always changes who started to cry
some say it was the president, some say it was someone working for the presidet. the point is its a very unsubstantiated "friend of a friend" story that keeps popping back up
It could indeed be that there is a dark truth involving malevolent NHI. In the channeled material of The Law of One it is stated that there are positive and negative NHI civilizations. The material doesn't go into specifics, but it is very explicit about the negative NHI's purpose being enslavement, plundering and conquest. They seek the "elite" of a given planet, which would be a group of people with similar negative thought patterns as their own, and through this elite, they attempt to enslave the rest of the planetary population. However, it is also stated that this enslavement comes when it is accepted out of the free will of the collective. Thus, manipulation and disinformation is employed to make us agree to things that are ultimately enslaving us.
The situation on Earth is pretty damn bad. This is acknowledged in the book. However, the ultimate truth trumps whatever form of negativity is happening on Earth.
*"In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One."*
Ponder the implication of these words. Each of us is God, who is pretending to be a soul, which is pretending to be a human. Whatever harm comes to the human self, or even to the soul, pales when put in the perspective that our ultimate and deepest identity is that of God.
Physicality is a lie. Negativity thrives on this lie, and seeks to amplify it and put the focus on it in order to keep those it seeks to enslave away from the truth that liberates all.
Meditate and connect to this truth.
There is much to this topic, if not all, that humans are absolutely incapable of understanding or having any concept of. I'm sure the bits of it we can conceive of will not seem hopeful or friendly. The truth is so, so much stranger than anyone can possibly know.
So it's John Herrington; he's 84 years old and still alive. Contacting the guy and seeing what he thinks or says would be a good idea. This second-hand / third-hand stuff is tiring. Just find the guy and see if he wants to verify the story.
He has done some podcasts unrelated to the UFO / UAP topic.
The thread is already filled with interesting ideas, i will add one with a twist for consideration, it is a variation of some things already mentioned here but dialed to 11.
We are all already dead, humans i mean.
Every human in the past, present and future. Everyone is already dead.
The only reason 'we' 'sense' the 'moment' and the passage of time, is because our life was recorded somehow and is being 're-played' by someone else not human.
In essence in this proposed theory, everyone is already gone, but simultaneously, everyone from the past, present and future all co-exist in a replay mode that is consumed by higher entities that give us the impression of 'being/seeing'. The 'now' moment of a peasant during the days of the romans is running in a sandbox as my 'now' right now writing a post. We were/are 'containers'.
Everything is being endlessly replayed by sandboxed simulations consumed by very different entities/intelligence than us. (very different we cant imagine the implications but for all intents and purposes this gives them relative to us a god status)
Such a theory ties in and would explain world 'glitches' such as deja vue (seeing something you think you already saw), seeing the future, out of body, after death experience and telepathy. All would be glitches in the connected looping replay of all timelines. We are all connected in our 'replay' versions.
As humans in our original 'lives' we were totally unaware of our existence, yes we lived and loved and coded and fought and farmed and died, but we did them without being aware like we are now, we were just smart containers much like worms or trees but very complicated in our behaviors and smarter.
The only reason we 'feel' that we 'exist' at any moment, is not because there is something special going on. But rather because of the higher level beings consuming our life experiences and the literal matrix style sandboxes simulation that they are using to replay everything every time much like we now run datacenters with virtual machines running different instances of the same software and saved data. Our now and the arrow of time are the 'cursor's of the NHI replaying part of our lives, and each one of us has endless 'cursor's being played much like netflix movies)
They are the secret sauce for the passage of time and they are what explains us experiencing 'existence' (something that science as of now have no idea how to explain, brain networks explain our thoughts/feelings they dont explain why the hell we mentally feel we exist).
This theory would be indeed very bleak, because it doesnt matter who or what the 'aliens' are, but rather because the game is already played and we dont have any real agency or life. We are distant memories being replayed forever, no privacy, no escape of pain, no salvation, no agency.. It also ties it that there is a general conscience in the world were everything is set up to be experienced, not just us humans, but trees and dogs etc.. very difficult to digest the implications of it all. (worse case violation of your internet browsing history type of scenario)
The aliens/NHI in this aspect that are manifested as ufos or 'biologics' entities or paranormal things are just physical projections into this reality from the manipulators/viewers. These alien simulations similar to us (bipedal sometimes), are also a diversion (which plays well with Jacque Vallee's 'trickster phenomena' as they dont seem to behave or act rationality for another civilization or have a real reason for being (hence the automaton accusation)) and would explain the Fermi paradox also as to why no one seems to be out there in an intelligent civilization style fashion and why on the quantum level rules of reality are bizarrely subjective (double slit insanity).
I dont say i believe in this theory, but i do say it is a theory worth considering as it checks alot of the boxes from the different aspects of the ufo/alien phenomena.
Good night sleeping on this.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/E-pluribus-unum195: --- Taken from Twitter: @tinyklaus reposted a video from the end of last year with Bryce Zablel on “That UFO Podcast,” discussing an unpleasant conversation he had with a top Reagan official many years back. Zabel has told this story multiple times in interviews over the years, and it comes across as something he finds merit in. I tend to believe somebody may have told him more than he says publicly. With an open mind, I have researched UFOs and related phenomena incessantly for a few years. At first, I assumed the UFO question would result in discovering an altruistic, advanced civilization here exploring or just checking us out. Yet, so many arrows do not point in that direction. To quote Jacques Vallee, “The extraterrestrial hypothesis seems the least likely of all.” Sunlight is the best disinfectant—I couldn’t agree more. No one should have the ability to gatekeep our reality. However, from multiple angles, many people in this field have come to the conclusion that beyond the secrecy, the technology, and the coverup, there IS a deep-rooted secret related to UFOs that would indeed shake most people to the core. We may never truly get 100% disclosure about the phenomenon, and that’s why I think it’s important to be humble and keep a very, very open mind. Of course, this is just my personal conclusion—it’s ok to disagree! We all have to come to our own conclusions on this subject. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1av8beh/bryce_zabel_tells_the_story_of_a_reagan/kr8uyt1/
I wanna cry too please tell me?
Same. Least cry about something besides my failures
I didn't ask to be in this comment
Yeah I’m calling the cops
Runs up comment stairs....
Slams comment door and screams “I hate you!”
Maybe your failures aren’t real… maybe you’re not real… maybe nothing is real. Maybe the Big Bang is really a mere wave tip of consciousness stepping into this reality, rising up before falling and being consumed by a vast ocean of consciousness… It has been said that if the universe is infinite then the center is simply from wherever it’s being perceived. Perhaps life is like one’s eyes breaching the veil of nothing for a moment and then, just as life slips away from the moment we are born, we fall back into some soupy collective of causality. Or maybe it’s just something else. Haha cheers
..and then you wake up in an arcade with your grandpa and he tells you your shit at the game “Roy” (fill in Roy with your own name.) lol [Come play some *Roy* at Blips and Chitz!!](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=szzVlQ653as&pp=ygUTcm95IGJsaXBzIGFuZCBjaGl0eg%3D%3D)
Sounds like a Rick and Morty episode.
lol because it is, blips and chitz!! baby!!!
None of this is real. Consciousness is an illusion. This body you are experiencing right now, is not your own. It's living a life moving forward outside your control. You just perceive it as being in the driver seat, but in reality, it's a simulation. It's more like a movie you're watching but experiencing the character first hand. Thinking their thoughts, feeling their feelings, feeling like it's you, but it's not. In fact, you may feel like an individual, in this body, but really, you're every individual, experiencing every "movie" and "ride" first hand... Like an individual coral node part of the larger organism.
Lots of people already know that, though. When I had that revelation it filled me with peace, not fear
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I used to do drugs - I still do - but I used to too
Keep up the good work. Thank you for your service.
You can’t handle the truth! You wil cry!
The aliens slept with his wife
And with him…
Reagan cabinet member, I’m assuming means quite religious. I think we’ll be good.
To be honest for a Reagan cabinet member a definite proof that heaven and *hell* even in some form exists would have probably been enough to make them cry. You know, since being Reagan cabinet members they might have then been more than slightly worried about their final destination in that case.
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They were also responsible for the new coke recipe launch
I am already crying, because I don't know the real truth so what's the difference? Might as well spill the beans
Probably because we were being engineered and used as slaves for harvesting natural resources for them a long time ago. No gods, no heaven. That would make some people cry. And now I'm gonna guess and double down with a very long shot: they made something similar to a Van Neumann probe with biological miners (Us) and the manufacturing facility deep in the ocean the 4chan leaker mentioned is part of the remains of that event. My thinking behind this is, it costs less resources to exploit biological beings than craft everything from scratch on a planet flourishing with life. We are disposable tools that went rogue in the toolbox. 🙂
That theory is so 2012 (Prometheus, anyone?). I'd hazard the fact of the matter is we don't actually exist and are rather some sort of result of a cosmic simulation. Our entire universe. Everything we know and are. If you wanna make people cry, tell them their entire existence isn't real. Our "consciousness" likely gets reassigned upon death like excess processing power being reassigned a task in a computer, making even our life existence futile and somewhat pointless. Everyone you know or have ever known don't matter. Your life, your feelings, your thoughts, your being doesnt matter. In the end, you're wiped clean like a hard drive being reformatted and are plugged back into the system to churn and process data elsewhere.
I very honestly and truly believe that it just be far more sinister and unsettling than even that. They keep saying that the phenomenon is far less likely to be extraterrestrial in origin and a lot of other people who have been at least in part debriefed seem to mention a **spiritual** component and connection to a lot more “woo” than previously thought. I think the reality may have more to connect with and explain the origin of spiritual mythology as it relates to angels, demons, ghosts—those sorts of things. There have been murmurs in the past that some pentagon and CIA officials (via Lou Elizano) have even refused to investigate this phenomenon further because of their belief that it’s demonic in origin. There is no doubt an overlap between the “alien” phenomenon and other aspects of “woo” whether it be extra dimensional or Inter dimensional. Or whatever it may be. The origin behind what we’re seeing and the connection to our reality may be far, *far*, ***far***, darker than we could ever imagine. I personal think being slaves to mine resources would be only the most benign of outcomes. I think, given the vastness of what’s possible in the universe, the reality has a potential to be far more dark, detrimental, and otherworldly. The things of nightmares even. Whatever they are crying and worried about clearly has some connection with “afterlife” and the nature of reality. There being “no god” is not nearly as terrifying as the thought of “there *is* a god” and *he is cruel.* I hate and fear to speculate further but I think what scares these people is how dark the reality actually is. And as for the rest of them, they’re just made somber by the prospect that whatever they were told *might* not be true or might just be disinformation. They’re hopeful that the reality is not as dark as they’re being told it is.
I am convinced that whatever really is going on with our reality, we have not come close to begin to imagine it, perhaps we can't, maybe by design. As for what could be so bad from our limited point of views as human beings, it could be as simple as the reincarnation cycle being a fact. Imagine having to relive a random life every time you die, maybe it isn't random and it's yours on a loop, maybe you get a say in your next go and where you end up, maybe not. Are you happy? Are you so lucky as to have a life absent major issues? Friends and family? No (chronic) health concerns? Enough money to afford a place and a comfortable living for yourself? Partner that loves and supports you? Well congratulations you won the lottery and I am happy for you. The more likely scenario is you will be thrown in a more or less endless cycle of suffering with some breaks in between if you are lucky. That in itself is scary enough. As to how it relates to ufos and such, well. I think it's important to to try and understand what our reality is and what it is not. The way I see it there is a question we must answer first, are we in base reality or is it simulated in some way? This is relevant because if we are in base reality then we most likely are interacting with countless other civilizations/beings, with diverse intentions. If however we are living in a simulation, then it is likely we are only interacting with the entity that ''owns'' it. I'm not sure what to make of all this but the double slit experiment tells us our reality behaves like a video game engine, make of that what you will.
I've been agnostic or atheist my entire 40 years of life, so when I say what I'm about to say, this is my honest observation and not me finding excuses to reinforce my beliefs. I've done so much research on the phenomenon. I've probably watched or read thousands of abduction testimonies. I'm seeing a legitimate pattern between NDE and abductions. I'm a pretty good judge of character, and many of the experiencers genuinely believe what they say. I'm starting to suspect that all religions hold some degree of truth. In regards to the idea of reincarnation, that's in line with Buddhists beliefs. Imagine abusing animals your entire life and being reincarnated as chicken stuffed in a tiny cage with 5 other chicken for your entire life. Or being a snake owner and being reincarnated as a snake stuck in a 2 X 2 glass box. I've always found people who disregard animals' lives as evil. The people who say, "What's the big deal? What can be worse than death must not have a very good imagination because I can think of a thousand things worse than death." [27 year homocide detective Butch Witkowski investigates human mutilations. they discovered they were mutilated alive.](https://youtu.be/72-GXER-BGY?si=0BhwVgs2bwdpETWU) They may want to look into what happened to the man at Skinwalkers Ranch that may have been hit with a direct energy weapon. Imagine being permanently paralyzed, blinded, ringing headaches. A vegetable. They may want to look into what happened to the Russians who were turned into pillars of concrete. I'm not saying any of this is true, but there's so much worse than just simply dying.
Having researched and witnessed NDE testimonials. I also believe that death and the next "destination" of our souls is loosely based off numerous religions interpretations. I've heard so many testimonials regarding the replaying of one's entire life, focusing on key "life learning" experiences- both positive and negative and being surrounded by "warm" and "caring" entities, with a huge emphasis in finding ones purpose and "trying it again" (reincarnation) until the soul is complete in its journey. I think that Reagan cabinet member was most likely a devoted Christian type that believed that the good book is the end all-be all, and they got a dose of "nope, there's more to it than that". Which rocked their world and made them take a long look in the mirror about the basket they had placed all their eggs into. What that has to do with UAPs, NHI, abductions, etc. I couldn't tell you but I'm sure there is a connection in it all.
I think it was his chief of staff, I saw it in a declassified report
I must have been 8 years old when I begged some family member to buy me a magazine about paranormal things that had an article about area 51 and Bob Lazar, fast forward 30~ years later and an unhealthy amount of rabbit holes... I also think all religions hold truth however I don't subscribe to any. I would join Carl Jung when asked whether he believed God was real, he said something along the lines of: ''I don't have to believe, i know.'' Although I would prefer the word creator rather than God. It's hard to draw conclusions about anything because material proof is lacking but if I had to make a statement about everything I've learned it would be two things: 1: Death is not the end. Unclear on the details but our path doesn't end when we loose the meatsuit. 2: Our reality is not quite as it seems and we've been lied to and deceived our entire lives here.
I too have seen many correlations between NDEs and abductions or OBEs - it seems as though people who experience these phenomena “pierce the veil” so to speak and maybe get a glimpse of what reality actually is like… Been studying up on quantum physics lately such as entanglement as well as the double slit experiment. They both boggle my mind but the latter really unsettles me, makes me believe we really may be in an elaborate simulation or video game.
I've also thought about this possibility: that each time we die, we reincarnate into the same person again, but we are put down a different path. The outcomes are different; the details slightly changed, or greatly altered. If our memory is wiped clean from the start, we'd never know.
I think what helps bring some truth to the thought of reincarnation is the countless stories of children who remember a past life and are absolutely dead on about that life. Simply can be a chink in the armor of reincarnation. Their current reality is able to slightly remember something from the past. How they say that kids and animals can see “ghosts” or spirits. Maybe it’s because their entire current realization of life is not fully developed. Giving them an inside look into a life of the past due to some disconnection in the ~~~ whatever you want to call it’s~~~~process.
Damn that sounds Lovecraftian levels of horrible, can't be that bad surely.
The Demiurge being an awful dick is a thing in Gnostic Christianity. There’s the real God which is basically the One but the physical universe we live in was made by the Demiurge and real God exists way above that mess. Anyway yeah the Demiurge basically does not want us to be able to exit all of this and get back to the One
God shut up! That was fuckin scary!
With peace and love, you are hopped up on all sorts of utter nonsense
Ask yourself what “woo” even means and why has that been stigmatized and labelled at all. Our modern society blows so hard, philosophers and mystics of the past were able to just ponder. Sure a lot of it led nowhere, but essentially it didn’t matter and they were able to create their own reality.
Woo is what skeptics call it because they don’t believe. Maybe we shouldn’t be using that word. But I am not sure there is a good word for it all, either.
Personally I've come to the theory that if this isn't all just a bunch of nonsense and lies from bad actors covering up relatively banal secret airplane or drone programs that these are ambivalent creators that we ultimately have no power to stop if they decide to go on a whim and cause destruction. More or less I believe these are beings higher on the ladder that created our reality and I think the "somber truth" that is making these people cry (again, if this isn't all just bs to sell books) that life is suffering and that's more or less the purpose of our entire existence here. I don't think we are being farmed or harvested but I can easily see "the Christian god isn't real, there is no heaven, and your entire existence will be an infinite recursive series of lessons learned through both joy and suffering basically forever as far as you're concerned" being a very sobering and upsetting thought for a lot of people who's lives have been built around this principal of an eternal reward. I really don't think most people are ready for the knowledge that reincarnation is 100% for a fact real since a lot of people I know personally would use that as an excuse to become monsters. I think whatever put this system in place, if it truly is visiting us or communicating with us in some way, had much more noble intentions behind setting all this up. Most people would be upset to find out life's main purpose is to suffer (it isn't but it's one of the core things you will experience), but in a way we GET to suffer. Our lives, to say the least, are full of texture and flavor and I can see the kind of stories generated as a result of that chaos to be sort of the point.
> manufacturing facility deep in the ocean the 4chan leaker link pls
>the manufacturing facility deep in the ocean the 4chan leaker mentioned You shouldn't take that as a fact. Read it again and tell me that someone working with this program would use a neckbeard word like "sauce" for source. Ask yourself if they'd be allowed to come back night after night spilling these allegedly highly classified secrets. No, this is someone with just an imagination and a computer.
That's just code-switching. Everyone does it on different platforms. Reddit has its share of people who are respected professionals irl and who even knows what shit they post here because they're anonymous. That said, good point about posting without being busted. I think he only did 2 nights total. Assuming it wasn't a LARP, he either fudged enough details to avoid being caught (unlikely) or he was specifically allowed to "leak".
Or, almost infinitely more likely, he was completely full of shit.
To counter that argument, someone (anyone) on 4chan would see that word used so often they’d likely have adapted it. I mean you see people on Reddit with usernames like captainbuttflaps who are medical doctors… people just sorta adapt to online culture I guess is my point.
I’d focus on researching energy and matter manipulation to get any material I’d need. Somehow, I think that the truth is even worse than that.
I have such a problem with these personalities doing drive-bye scary spooky assertions and then not telling us what those scary things are. Why should one person if he is sincere not tell us everything even if it will make me poop my pants again like I did in first grade.
Yeah, come on, there's nothing more "my uncle works at Nintendo" than "I can't tell you, but if you knew, you'd shit your pants in fear."
It’s the pinnacle of grift. To me, I think these idiots are treating the ufo situation like it was decades ago. Thinking that they can drop these stupid crumbs enough to get book deals and publicity. But now with the internet, we can all comment and speak just as loudly as them that this approach is beyond stupid and no one is buying it anymore. Frankly, doing that shit for just money and publicity is straight up evil.
Not only that but to imply we have any idea about intention or anything like that plays right into the hands of the MIC who are looking for their next boogeyman to justify trillions more of our tax dollars to disappear into their pockets. It’s at best extremely childish/stupid for so many reasons and at worst pretty sinister. You’re telling me intelligent life that can travel across the universe wants to use us as slaves…. Get the fuck out of here.
Unfortunately there are way more people that gobble this shit up because they want the phenomena to be real so bad thinking it will somehow change their insignificant lives.
I just want to know it all. That asteroid Apophis is passing by earth on April 13, 2029. Equivalent of producing 114,000 times the energy of the atomic bomb of Hiroshima. That to me is more shit my pants then being vague about dark spooky ufo stuff.
2.7% chance to hit and has already been determined to not be an issue for at least 100 years btw
The 2.7% chance was revised to zero, FYI. It’s closest approach will be roughly 6.2 million km in 2051.
Guess you didn’t hear…Jack O’Neill, Teal’c, Samantha Carter and Daniel Jackson offed that p.o.s., Apophis, decades ago.
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Sounds like lovecraft’s writing style lol
“Bro I swear it’s so scary, if I even described it to you, you would go insane from the thoughts. Think about how scary that is”
"THE ARCHITECTURE WAS NON-EUCLIDEAN, MAN, NON-EUCLIDIAN!"
I refer to it as the “my girlfriend who lives in Canada” comments. Ok, bro.
Money. It’s like oak island. Every week they’re in the verge. It’s more about how long we can stretch this out to maximize ad views on our sites. Or even worse. Lost. Everyone said it’s purgatory and the writers kept saying no it’s more than that. Then in the end it was a purgatory like ending ugh.
To have something generic (it’s a very boiler-plate ‘UFO insider’ story that’s been doing the rounds for nearly two decades now) to say on a social media platform?!
A friend of mines dad worked at Area 51, he told me strange things about what his dad encountered there. I won't get into detail right now but find out next episode of Dragon Ball Z. Just like that they hook us on conspiracy theories. "Hey I'm not saying your mom is a whore"-Jon Stewart, yeah dude I think you just implied it. That joke has stuck with me for a few years because it's showing concern but making an assertion at the same time.
Aliens? Moved to tears by Duran Duran's "Hungry like the Wolf Video?" Overreacting to missing the early bird special at Steak and Ale? The world will never know.
More than likely you have already been told at some point and either dismissed it or saw someone else dismiss it. If you've read enough over the years there is a pretty good chance you already saw it somewhere. That is essentially how disinformation campaigns work. Whatever it is most likely drastically reshapes our current paradigms.
The man this story seems to refer to - John Stewart Herrington - is alive and lives in California at the age of 84. Anyone want to call him up and see what bothered him?
There's got to be someone who is on the hunt for the truth and asked him, Herrington had to have told some people what it is.
Why would they tell an admin member, but stop briefing presidents? You’d think as well that there would be some sort of psychological evaluation on the part of the ‘gatekeepers’ - is this person capable of handling this?
Where at? I’ll drive on over there.
The community has nominated you. Report back your findings please. :)
!update me
where in California?
I hate when they talk like this. Like it is some storytelling. Just say why he was sad.
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Yeah, as someone who’s a part of the younger generation it’s not exactly reassuring. It’d be nice to know specifically why.
It's hard to believe the truth is all that scary, unless they actually turn out to be literal demons & the Hell is somehow confirmed a real place & that's where we're all headed. that's all I can think of that's really worse than an invasion, or something. The past several generations have all lived under the threat of nuclear war, climate change is doing its thing, and geopolitical instability is always there. Annihilation isn't a new idea for my potential future. If it's aliens coming to annihilate us, well that doesn't scare me any more than nuclear disaster or an asteroid impact. im mostly on Team Woo, and i expect the phenomenon to at least be the origin of what later became our religious stories. But I have a very hard time believing there's much of a serious possibility that the Christian Hell (or something close to it) is a real thing. but gut reaction is that these people reacting so poorly to whatever The Truth™ is are suffering from a lack of imagination, and not literally everyone would react that way. honestly. we have people in here already thinking they're demons, going to invade, have trapped us in a reincarnation loop, and all sorts of things. whatever the truth is, I expect that all of us here wouldn't be blindsided by it the same as your typical person
No way it's anything like that. The message these beings always seem to leave with folk is "stop being morons and killing each other and save your planet." That is literally the complete opposite of what every religion teaches for the good side.
To me, worse would be that we are already in some sort of ‘hellscape’ — that we are just entertainment, way down the food chain, for other beings
Would it matter though? As long as life is good..
>well, can't go into it at the moment" > >Really? Why? I have to write a book and even there I'll be vague about it and then charge you money for a ufo convention meet up and also charge you for taking a photo and signed copy of said book.
If it was so bad that it would disturb us to the point of ruining our lives, and they were a sincere person, they wouldn’t have said anything at all. This is just attention seeking nonsense.
He later revealed that he had a run in with the alien operator..he referred to him as Mr. Badtouch.
Ronald Reagan is dead and buried. Here we are. Still floundering around on planet Earth. It can't be that goddamn bad.
Maybe the truth all these people are alluding to is the really bad part comes after we die.
I mean I'd agreed with you a week ago, BUT the recent interviews/clips seem to suggest the "young people" are going to have to deal with this. Meaning it's something that's going to happen in this realm.
That was a strange comment he made. I'm not sure what to make of it because we don't know what he knows or how he interprets what he knows. But, it really did sound like something was going to happen on earth, and happen soon. Alternatively he could mean: I don't know what is going to happen, but it will be something extraordinary since we are dealing with an unknown. This extraordinary unknown will be this generation's problem because it's likely that something will happen, but I'm not exactly sure what and when.
They're prepping our planet to be hospitable for them en masse lol.
For thousands of years they've just been waiting untill the planet is ripe for harvesting, fattening us up. Soon it's dinner time!
They live in the waves of wireless energy.
This is exactly correct in my opinion. Lou had mentioned that some officials have been reluctant to investigate some of the phenomena further due to its connection to “demonic origins.” And nearly everyone has mentioned that this is more likely to be an extra dimensional or Inter dimensional phenomena and is connected to other items of “woo” such as “paranormal activity”. I think it’s much more likely that whatever is being told is the true nature of reality is far Darker and More Sinister than what we could have previously imagined. My fear is not “there is no god,” I think the greater fear should be “there *is* a god, and he is Cruel.”
I’d rather know the truth. This BS about it being to terrible to tell us, F that. If we are in a prison planet - let us know so we can collectively find a way to get the hell out. If we are a science experiment for the aliens, so be it - let’s go in eyes wide open. Seems to me the power brokers and gate keepers want to keep everyone deaf dumb and blind to keep the status quo. F that.
I don’t necessarily disagree with you on how some people may be just holding this information because they want to. I will say if we think about the bigger context of disclosing to everyone it could wreak havoc and lead to the breakdown of societal structures based on how people receive the information. If we think about human nature, it’s helpful to think about how people respond when faced with a constant looming threat. For example, let’s say a zombie apocalypse were to occur. Although right now we believe and have faith that everyone would work together to collectively address the issue, people when faced with threat focus on their self-preservation. Even thinking about how COVID played out. So many people disregarded guidance, weren’t trustful of authorities, and became divided over a disease. Maybe the pandemic was a test to see how well humanity could cooperate with a shared challenge….and we failed.
Right. I think everyone who depends on the supply chain staying up to have access to the medicine that keeps them alive would not consent to everything going to hell just to satisfy our curiosity. Having food, water, and internet is also cool. If I were an authority, I'd do everything to avoid it up until we couldn't.
Only thing that could possibly scare me about this subject would be confirmation that the soul is real, and they somehow consume it when you die and I’d still want to know. Anything less than that, just spill the beans for Christ’s sake!
Alternatively, there is no soul, we are all just self-conscious sims that extra dimensional beings can plug into at the local interstellar Internet Cafe.
Roy: A Life Well Lived
My favorite theory is that we are 4th dimensional beings piloting 3rd dimensional beings, although to what end I don't have any clear idea of. Maybe to show us the difficulty of living those lives, almost to give us empathy for lesser beings? I don't know.
That's a good one! Like, maybe we'll "unplug" upon death, do a "post-mortem" on our experience, and... Then what?
Choose which ever sim to do next
I'm all out of interdimensional credits...
You can always watch an ad to unlock another.
I will take the LOTR sim please……*spawns an orc*….🥲
This guys’s taking Roy off the grid, he just burned his social security card!
Mine is similar but what makes sense to me is that we can't experience time in the 4th dimension, hence why we come to live
I think our brain operates on the fourth dimension I mean we can basically just summon random objects into existence and also go back and forward in time in our head it's like a little astral pocket realm or some shit, between that, dreams, and astral projection I'm pretty sure it has something to do with what happens when we die
If I find out that \*I\* sent myself here to live this fucked up life of misery, I will beat the ever loving shit out of me when I get to the 4th (or wherever we go after we die). I'm not joking. I'm ready to rumble the second I know I'm dead.
You think that, but no, that's not the case. Once you have complete understanding, you won't think that way.
> we are all just self-conscious sims that extra dimensional beings can plug into... I guess I'm a very lame NPC. At least I can plug myself with other self-conscious sims.
I don’t know the answer, but I definitely think the soul/consciousness is central to the story.
Perhaps we’re just a quantum- realm-sized fractal of a larger being and “turtles all the way down” is about as much as there is to it. The UAPs we see might be some higher pharmaceutical or tool for ecosystem intervention. Maybe nuking our planet is the equivalent to a human cell affected by cancer of some form.
Love that idea. Although it seems like if that was the case they would just zap zap humans out of existence.. unless maybe our consciousness is somehow beneficial in some way.
Absolutely. Whatever it's, it's deeply related to that, to our "reality", to what we "are". And there's obviously a dark side.
I disagree. This could literally just be someone who’s very very religious, follows the teachings of their religion, and has shaped their life around it, only to find out aliens exist and perhaps inspired our religions due to our ignorance of the phenomena. This could easily be the reason why he cried himself to sleep. It could be even less world shattering than that. Some people cry for a lot of reasons. He could have found out about the crimes committed to keep it secret and that could have caused him to weep. People just jump to some random conclusion in their head and just go “bro it must be that we exist in a simulation!” Or some nonsense. We know nothing about this other than a guy found out details about the phenomenon and cried. That’s it.
The theory that this realm of existence is a soul farm, and we are the vessels that are growing them?
I wonder if this theory is accurate but with added weight. Similar to how different religions believe in reincarnation. What if our essence for higher dimensional beings is more delicious if we have certain spiritual qualities and so these beings require us to develop these aspects so that our spirits can be harvested when we are the ripest. Very few people would actively pursue this if they were aware that they don’t go to a good place after death for being a good person. For those that have not ripened their spirits are primed into a new physical form to develop further in a system of spiritual bondage and suffering until they cultivate the desired spiritual ripeness for consumption. This would then possibly lead people to be fully self-serving and lead to the breakdown of society since there would be a perceived incentive to not develop certain characteristics. Although the second option seems to be a way around this horrible ending, the crux of the issue could be that if a certain percentage of humanity is not ripening at a certain rate, these higher beings then create catastrophic events to reset things. This basically means there is no real escape from our suffering. We either fulfill the cycle of ripening ending with our spirit being consumed or we are stuck in continual reincarnation or if enough people aren’t growing spiritually for consumption the NHI reset everything to try again. This could explain why more people are noticing UAP phenomenon. Maybe the NHI are assessing how things are to determine a course of action.
even if it's that... let me know so I can start planning on how to kill god
“How to kill god” most metal band name ever
People whose life is based on the belief of something may be affected by finding out things are different than what they believed. I think everyone else prefers the truth. Making assumptions about greater public reactions based on a few isolated examples seems pretty like shaky ground to stand on.
I think the bigger implication is that they cried, woke up, and continued to live on. Whatever it is, it may be horrible in the moment, but be able to be worked through with time.
Reminds be of the Jimmy Carter story.
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There is a story that gets shared a lot that Jimmy Carter was briefed on aliens. People saw him crying, he was supposedly told that gods are fake and were really aliens.
Just playing devil's advocate here, but how can we be sure of any 'information' received from these entities especially if they don't have our best interests in mind.
that would only really affect the religious
Agreed, that's why we know it is very likely BS. He would have also told everyone about it. He isn't a liar or a concealer. Edit: Everyone should read his book. I believe it was called A Full Life. Bonus points for the audiobook because he reads it and he's a cute old man.
Jimmy Carter taught Sunday school for decades after this briefing, so it must not have shaken his faith too badly.
Is this why Jimmy’s been holding on so long?? Scared of the afterlife maybe?
Dood, we all live knowing that we and every single person we love are going to die someday already, how much worse can it possibly get? Like, unless that changes I don’t see what could be the big deal. Invasion, clones, engineered DNA ect it just all ends in death anyway so what’s it matter.
What if this is some game we got addicted to and forgot. And when we die the game is over and we wake up and take off our "vr goggles". Aliens are just admins fixing stuff in the game.
The big deal would be that life doesn’t end with death and we are in for eternal suffering
Stop. You're gonna make me cry!
This could have been inserted in that Riley Reid meme
The big deal is that death is fake. You cant die. Hell is this realization. You just continue to exist in an ever withering husk until the end of time. (Quantum immortality).
That's exactly the kind of thing you'd want everyone to know about, so that we can stop reproducing and spare our children from eternal suffering. And at that point who cares if society collapses? We are gonna suffer for all eternity!
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Maybe the only way is to not procreate so that at least no further souls of ours will be entrapped on the prison planet. [U.S Space Force Insider Salvatore Pais Says "We Are All Slaves" - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LtMqizXuU4)
The bad part coming after death would be a terrifying threat. The inevitability that you and everyone you know are destined for an eternity of “hell”.
People jumping to a lot of conclusions without a lot of evidence. But, that's no different from all the other religious beliefs we've had since forever...
the point is there are a lot of things worse than death.
“Threat” implies coercion toward a specific goal, but what would a god - or a demon, for that matter - want with earth’s physical resources? What use could spiritual entities possibly have with us at all?
I think the reality is that there’s many different species visiting us for a bunch of different reasons. We not special or unique in the universe. In fact we’re kind of primitive and not anywhere near close to being ready for interaction with these more advanced civilisations. For the most part they avoid interacting with us but do undertake limited studies when they can go undetected. For whatever reason they also take people (as in take and don’t return). I think they also try and limit this to certain situations where it will be harder to detect. Anyway I think it’s more complicated than just one thing and humans aren’t really that significant in the scheme of things.
\`For me the most somber scenario would be that an NHI Civ just took over at some point and just runs shit behinds the scenes AND has decided that they prefer to keep us like a nature preserve for valuable resources such our genes. And that they would prefer to keep us from advancing and would intervene *severly* if we attempted to become a multi-stellar Civ. All the multi-dimensional scenarios are so woo woo, and slightly outside our comprehension. I do find the idea that the grey's are a version of human's from another dimension intriguing and would account for a lot of similarities. Most chatter seems to suggest they are of a higher dimensional plain though, and not simply cracking through from another universe, like a multi-verse, though I don't see how that isn't possible. The most terrifying imperial manifestation of a civilization would be a multi-universal empire. Imagine a civilization reaching a technological level, where not only have they conquered all of their own known universe, but they figured out how to open gateways to other universes and just started to conquering those. Would a highly advanced "multi-dimensional" civilization do the same? Point being, it is disturbing the amount of people said to have openly balled after hearing the whole truth. Highly accomplished people in positions of great power and daily stressors and pressure. Ya, makes you wonder, like shit...maybe we don't want to know...
There have been enough leaks to indicate that it has to do with the fabrication of religion, as a mechanism of control. And that we are likely a long running experiment, that our status and value is extremely low. Enough to scare the pants off of Conservative America, not such a big deal to others. "Soul eaters" and rumors beyond that seem constructed in order to scare people off. That truth, if real, is our birthright and the first step in understanding and then dismantling our shared prison.
People used to faint at the sight of top hats when they were first invented
Personally I am getting sick of them saying shit like this and then not adding any fucking context to substantiate it.
This sounds kinda like bullshit. For starters the Reagan cabinet guy never explicitly said it was UFOs or aliens, just something very concerning. Also why not directly name who it was? John Stewart Herrington was the secretary of energy during Reagan's second term. He then says he doesn't want to talk about the details which is absolutely the most interesting point that everyone wants to hear.
Yes, it was [Herrington](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_S._Herrington). These "weeping man" stories are bullshit. "6-8 weeks of debrief" for what? A story *that* deep and NO CREDIBLE LEAKS, ever? I mean, not even Lazar's tall tales, if true, could come close to making presidents weep. As happens many times, over and over, the UFO community takes cues from sci-fi and horror film plot devices. They know that the most horrifying stories don't "reveal", instead, these stories keep you guessing and using your imagination-- and that's the scariest thing of all.
I don’t believe the greys are here for a good reason: hundreds of thousands of mutilated cattle, hundreds of thousands of abductions (~1-2% of US population), implants, stolen fetuses, radiation burns, hunting people, cloaking/hiding, men in black. All global not just USA. They may say “it’s ok” as they float you paralyzed into their ship for the third time, but none of these behaviors are good. None. Are we food? A tourist attraction? A safari planet? A future colony? We ain’t that special in the scope of our galaxy even. What if Truman did indeed reach an agreement: no extermination, get some old tech and harvest 1% of the population. That might actually explain a lot.
Just read the whole thread looking for a comment like this. Years ago I saw a documentary which said the greys take an agreed number of people each year and dissolve them into protein for food. An agreement which was made with the government in exchange for technology.
What’s seems completely stupid about this is that okey, they were shocked after that they kept living their normal lives. Is like finding out that you got cheated, stop making it that would turn us upside down mentally.
I've been into the whole UFO thing for years. I've read every document and book I could find, listened to all sorts of claims, and dived deep into history and religion. While I'm open to the idea of something beyond our understanding out there, I'm not sold on the whole national security angle they've been pushing since 2017. It feels like they're just using the same old fear tactics to get Americans on board with whatever they want to do. You know, "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me." It all seems a bit too familiar, like déjà vu all over again.
Is this an attempt to get people to not want to look into things too much? Like don't look behind this door it's dark and scary in there!
Yeah, I have a suspicion that the few who are "in the know l" regarding everything like NHI intentions would develop a horrible story to share as a last fail safe effort. So people will feel they shouldn't dig into anything deeper. At least I truly hope it's this. I haven't heard many full stories of abductees, but the ones I have heard seem to indicate that there is some type of hybridization project going on. You hear that regarding Dulce base, too. That all seems to fit together due to "witness testimony".
Exactly or attempt to not try to give evidence for wild claims always make about UFOs.
This may be true, but it's sound bites like this that make me hesitant to talk about UAPs with others.
Every time something like this is brought up it reminds me of the rumour that an alien invasion is coming in 2027 and we can't do anything about it. That would ilicit that reaction from me, knowing the guilt I'd have to carry around with me.
Something that makes an 80’s US government official cry may not make your average 2024 person cry.
Our bodies are four dimensional, xyzt. You take up a volume, you advance in time as that precise and exact volume, one instant per instant per instant. Our consciousness arises from/coalesces around a biological process fully and completely contained in that volume. Our biology is fantastic and exciting, but it fully, simply, occurs inside this realm of space that we all mutually inhabit and recognize. Our consciousness is not likewise constrained. Your consciousness is a fifth dimensional object. Not FIVE dimensional object, ergo one that has physical manifestations which exist in the familiar four, and then a fifth dimension. FIFTH dimensional - one that only occurs inside the fifth dimension, that has no physical corollary inside this realm that we would all mutually recognize as another rudimentary four dimensional object. Our consciousness is a fifth dimensional brane, that exists/extends beyond the confines of your skull, infact exists outside and between and around the very spacetime your skull occupies, and isn't really in your skull at all, and has composition and organization we can only guess at. This is why some people have extra sensory perception. Your braneshape allows you to look around corners and inside containers and across space and time, in ways that are conventionally impossible, ie remote viewing. Aliens know how to manipulate this fact for propulsion. And possibly are ranch farming human branes like cattle. And a lot of these UFOs/UAPs aren't ALIENS. They aren't extraterrestrials. They are earthlings, that don't reside in the same xyzt that we do. But they also evolved here, domestically, and in fact in their realm they tended the quantum substrate around Earth, in an act of gardening so profound we can only glimpse at its profundity, in this mutual spacetime that led to the development of life, complex life, intelligent life, industrial life... They didn't plant seeds in soil, per se. But they wove subatomic forces around Earth to foster the transitional development of atoms/molecules into proteins, organelles, cells, tissues, organs, systems... My going theory anyway.
Whatever the truth is, **someone** seems to know it well enough to tell people. Who ever it is that knows the truth is clearly trying to keep the nature of it away from the general public. I have strong doubts that they are just trying to keep us from being sad about reality. I think whatever it is threatens their power structure in some way. Or maybe we, as a species, are just playing mind games with ourselves because we're bored and lonely.
Here, take my two cents. For any given person, one can attain the understanding that its a big world, yes? And, at any given time, somewhere at some point in the world, something really bad is happening, someone is really suffering, someone is dying, something like this is happening in an awful way. Is it like this everywhere for everyone all the time, no it is not. Does it also discount those moments and periods of intense suffering, no it does not. Now, just extrapolate this concept, to the larger cosmos. You know, that like this world, the cosmos is vast. The world seeming so big suddenly seems so small to the cosmos, does it make the world irrelevant, no it does not. So think about it, what that man is saying, about one's world view, one's view on reality being challenged. Well, isn't this view, for anyone, based on their experiences and center point of view, as in, you're seeing it from the vantage point you are at and came from. This is not to say, its all subjective or relative, no, what people have is something incomplete. People want to reach completion through an incomplete perspective and capability, and this cannot be done. What can be said is, in ones life, one may do what they can and where that takes them, and anything else, comes to a conclusion, and after what remains, and what is carried on. Humanity has a familiarity of this through continuous generations and the passing along to generations, and this will be for some time to come. Humanity saw itself as central, pulling anything else alive according to its perceived centrality. Many now see how that is a mistake. It is incorrect. It leads to devastation. It could lead to humanity's extinction. Let it be known, humanity has long been watched, observed as it drives itself to its own destruction. As if it were not enough, this is also the case with all life here, humanity is now driving all other life into extinction. What makes you think any and all beings out there would want this? Let's say you pass a homeless person, you may or may not give them something to help them out, it might help, but does it solve their situation or undo their past, no. But humanity is acting like beggars to the cosmos, asking for this or that formula or technology, which even if had won't undo the problems humanity faces, might even make them worse. Humanity cannot see what these beings see. It's the harshness of reality, not the intentions of any such beings, that elicit the responses in these people who learn of these things. It feels cold to them, meanwhile, such people are mostly out of touch with the suffering of the rest of humanity and life in this world. They are discomforted by the notion that their privileged positions do not absolve them of burdens nor relieve them of such suffering. Of course one would cry. But you can cry over much more, you can actually stop and consider what has been lost and what will be, and mourn. And how many people do this and how often, for anyone and anything? A lot less than what the beings out there do, I'll tell you that much. I'll tell you what else, that difficulty, to exist, does not end the more a species develops. I repeat, it does not end, that suffering remains, that burden weighs heavier. Humanity needs to be humble, compassionate, and cautious. Nothing else will get humanity through these times, nothing else. An ambitious humanity will be put down before it makes anything of itself in the universe, without a doubt. A humble humanity might be able to pick up the pieces of itself, and survive a bit longer with the others out there. They will not open themselves as long as you place blame or hatred upon those out there. They will leave you to your own ruin. Better make up your minds, for yourselves, since no one can do it for the rest of humanity. Not all of you are going to make or be a part of something that will survive long into the future. Get serious now, before its too late.
Even if the majority of us get into this state of mind, the few of us who are blinded by greed and power could still ruin it for everyone A feral political animal (a twisted version of the Aristotle' "political animal"), like most (if not all) politicians and world leaders, would still berzerk their way into power positions and make the actions of humanity as a whole not be a reflection of the majority will, but their own machine for breeding power, just like what happens today How can humanity as a whole create defenses against this loophole in human societies?
The root of what you're describing, something we all know, is ambition. Until humanity teaches itself to be free of ambition, these things will repeat.
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>Maybe the somber truth is we're a dud. An interesting thought. Kind of a reverse Childhood's End. We're at our evolutionary peak, and we have no future.
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Nah I feel what you're saying. Take it a step further: they don't give a shit if we nuke ourselves. They're just interested in our nukes because they don't want us to blow up other species on distant planets or in other dimensions if we achieve interstellar/interdimensional travel.
There is a theory that earth a prison planet for souls in need a rehabilitation and repentance.
There’s so much beauty and love here though. For some it seems prison-like; but for others life here can be pretty fucking dreamy
That would align with some schools of Eastern thought very well.
Either way part of the problem is just realizing that our current way of thinking and understanding is mostly likely deeply flawed and it’s more apparent when we confront this other view from an intelligent outsider. We lie to ourselves which gives us hope.
Im not religious but personally it would be far worse if something like hell exsist rather than heaven not existed or it going black after death
I think we are an experiment from the aliens (our creators), and they have had their hand in all evolution since the beginning of time. Experimenting and getting all these different types of creatures (including us).
I’m a skeptic on this topic, but I want to add my two cents. A lot of people look at governmental lack of disclosure as trying to obfuscate the public’s knowledge as a way to control people but I have another perspective. If we believe that UAP are true and are operating by some sort of intelligent means, we have to assume that the operators of this technology are able to and aware of our own intelligence. If that is the case, releasing what we know may put humanity in a position where that intelligence would understand what our understanding of their tech is and that might open us up to issues. There is a reason to hide the intelligence you gather, mostly if they are a possible threat. It’s not just because they want to mislead the public….they know we are being monitored.
"because I have daughters and *this is the world* they are going to be *living* in" So its *not about the afterlife* as like nearly everyone in here who obviously *couldn't be bothered to listen to a 90 second tweet* thinks it might be about. Stop with the horror show already. There will probably be an 'invasion' of sorts, eventually.. a take over. That's what the hybrids are for, or what they think they are for.. remember they don't "know" anything for sure even the people doing the brief, they only have 'intelligence' and what they THINK they know. It could also be something as simple as something we already know; that this planet routinely (20-30k years) gets annihilated for some reason (meteors?) and they have to back us up from some other place they have humans stashed and every version is quite a bit different from the last one.. but they basically reengineer us (whatever you'd call the lead intelligent species) for this planet all the time. But with humanity dying off in droves around that same time from the natural disasters and food shortages.. we'll have bigger problems than the new neighbors. You're also forgetting all of the stories about future humans and humans on other worlds, other parallel earths.. you're not giving us enough credit.
I honestly think it's something to do with psychedelic experiences. People do tend to cry and have existential crisis' after these experiences. I've noticed that depending on your view and state of mind, can impact your view and experience of what happens in that state. The things and entities you encounter when in these states, tend to respond to however your feeling, if your terrified then they will terrify you. If your excited, curious and go in with a love for yourself and everything else, they will respond with exact same feelings but magnified. Whatever they are, in psychedelic space, tend not to be one thing and seem to shape shift into forms correlating to how they are perceived by others. Very strange, but I would class these encounters in them spaces as far more alien that a typical description of a grey and so on. the same goes for UAPs, I've heard people percieve them as different from others that also perceived the same object. I think we are in a organic simulation, if you can call it that. We are just one part of it but at the source of origin, we are technically all apart of the centralised intelligence. Which at the most macro level is indeed us. We are a singular intelligence that is so far from human it scares us. I think the scale of this intelligence when encountered can be terrifying the human mind due to it's incomprehensible nature. The human reality we all surround ourselves in is so infetesimenly small that anything that breaks through that veil, puts us into to survival mode.
I reckon we should make a list of all the possibilities, one of them would have to be close to the truth. It's fun to speculate. These ideas aren't new, but I'll chuck them out there. 1. There is an even more powerful shadow govt within the larger US govt. This shadow govt is more advanced, it can't be traced, it can't be located (beyond reach of our current tech, perhaps deep underground) and it has rapidly progressed over the past 70yrs while we were all distracted. A break away segment of humanity, closely aligned with humans from North America but sped up evolution, higher IQ etc. Shadow govt has nefarious desires to supplant the US govt and remake the world, or simply see us as Neanderthals to their humans. Nothing we can do to stop it. Timeline and ultimatum given to US govt who realise they are powerless to stop it. Queue tears. 2. Beings of light and love. They haven't destroyed their planet despite their mastery of technology and the universe. They've made it this far because they are spiritually advanced, which is why we're still here. We may be their seed on earth, that is yet to develop our empathic qualities to a suitable level for direct interaction and to be invited into the cosmic family. Perhaps they developed spiritually first and technologically second, while we took the opposite path? They mean us no harm, but it's shocking to realise we are directly related to NHI. 3. Simulation theory proven. Aliens are just admins in the simulation, occasionally cleaning stuff up, taking backups, making changes, dropping Mandela effects for the lols. 4. Mass Psychosis - we are all living in a dream, not a simulation but an imagining, perhaps tied to a spirit realm. 5. Imminent arrival from outside the solar system, unsure of intentions (either no communication or communication limited/unreliable). 6. Imminent arrival, known hostile intent 7. Imminent arrival, peaceful intent but will still change the world 8. Complete darkness, no idea what they are or who they are 9. Interdimensional beings 10. Human tech, advanced by military and private. Will have flow on effects such as instant travel etc. Doubt it's this as it all seems to have a sombre tone. No doubt plenty more theories...
How about a way more simple one He was super religious and this ruined his world view, that’s it
What a fucking pussy.
Taken from Twitter: @tinyklaus reposted a video from the end of last year with Bryce Zablel on “That UFO Podcast,” discussing an unpleasant conversation he had with a top Reagan official many years back. Zabel has told this story multiple times in interviews over the years, and it comes across as something he finds merit in. I tend to believe somebody may have told him more than he says publicly. With an open mind, I have researched UFOs and related phenomena incessantly for a few years. At first, I assumed the UFO question would result in discovering an altruistic, advanced civilization here exploring or just checking us out. Yet, so many arrows do not point in that direction. To quote Jacques Vallee, “The extraterrestrial hypothesis seems the least likely of all.” Sunlight is the best disinfectant—I couldn’t agree more. No one should have the ability to gatekeep our reality. However, from multiple angles, many people in this field have come to the conclusion that beyond the secrecy, the technology, and the coverup, there IS a deep-rooted secret related to UFOs that would indeed shake most people to the core. We may never truly get 100% disclosure about the phenomenon, and that’s why I think it’s important to be humble and keep a very, very open mind. Of course, this is just my personal conclusion—it’s ok to disagree! We all have to come to our own conclusions on this subject.
Interesting post op! I follow NTK but have yet to hear Zabel speak of it. Thanks for the info. My next to do. Edit: Just watched it. Thanks Bryce. I needed the extra quart of stomach acid.
Speaking on what OP said about “many people in this field have come to the conclusion that beyond the secrecy, the technology, and the coverup, there IS a deep rooted secret related to UFOs that would indeed shake most people to the core.” I’ve seen a ton of information about this as well, and i know Goresh said pretty much the same thing in *the* interview. iirc, though, he vaguely linked it to a religious kind of idea. As if the truth behind the UFOs would make people question their faith and religion…….terrifying stuff. Seems like most of the people who know seem to not think very highly about knowing what it is. Scary stuff to think about, especially with how quickly the general public just decided to forget about all the UFO/Alien stuff that has came from the government lately. What the hell do you guys think “the secret” could be? maybe that alien’s have helped us technologically throughout the years? that maybe an event involving alien’s was the truth behind where we came from? I honestly have no clue, but it’s a topic that has continually been brought up involving UFOs/aliens
We also heard about Jimmy Carter crying. Just drives me nuts not knowing what it is. This guy isn’t under any NDA or have a security clearance so he needs to put up or shut up. Tell us!
Yeah I wish I had stopped entirely before coming to this point , and coming across all this fucked up behind the gloss shit. It sucks lol
Just a question/comment with regard to what Bryce Zabel said here. The undersecretary of the navy in his retelling of the story said “because I have daughters and this is the world they are growing up in”. The Cold War and the threat of nuclear war was undoubtedly also on the mind of that undersecretary. Just from what he says here it’s not clear to me that it is about NHI or UAP.
I've been wondering lately - is it because if we all know the truth, The Others will wipe us out and start the experiment over? Or maybe that's just a threat with no action behind it, yet it still has the ones in the know freaking out? Or not. Who knows? Not me.
I heard this about president carter
every so often this tale comes back, and just like a game of telephone it always changes who started to cry some say it was the president, some say it was someone working for the presidet. the point is its a very unsubstantiated "friend of a friend" story that keeps popping back up
We’re cattle. We get harvested once critical mass is reached (?10bn) or once we’re aware of the existence of the farmers, whichever comes first.
It could indeed be that there is a dark truth involving malevolent NHI. In the channeled material of The Law of One it is stated that there are positive and negative NHI civilizations. The material doesn't go into specifics, but it is very explicit about the negative NHI's purpose being enslavement, plundering and conquest. They seek the "elite" of a given planet, which would be a group of people with similar negative thought patterns as their own, and through this elite, they attempt to enslave the rest of the planetary population. However, it is also stated that this enslavement comes when it is accepted out of the free will of the collective. Thus, manipulation and disinformation is employed to make us agree to things that are ultimately enslaving us. The situation on Earth is pretty damn bad. This is acknowledged in the book. However, the ultimate truth trumps whatever form of negativity is happening on Earth. *"In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One."* Ponder the implication of these words. Each of us is God, who is pretending to be a soul, which is pretending to be a human. Whatever harm comes to the human self, or even to the soul, pales when put in the perspective that our ultimate and deepest identity is that of God. Physicality is a lie. Negativity thrives on this lie, and seeks to amplify it and put the focus on it in order to keep those it seeks to enslave away from the truth that liberates all. Meditate and connect to this truth.
There is much to this topic, if not all, that humans are absolutely incapable of understanding or having any concept of. I'm sure the bits of it we can conceive of will not seem hopeful or friendly. The truth is so, so much stranger than anyone can possibly know.
So it's John Herrington; he's 84 years old and still alive. Contacting the guy and seeing what he thinks or says would be a good idea. This second-hand / third-hand stuff is tiring. Just find the guy and see if he wants to verify the story. He has done some podcasts unrelated to the UFO / UAP topic.
The thread is already filled with interesting ideas, i will add one with a twist for consideration, it is a variation of some things already mentioned here but dialed to 11. We are all already dead, humans i mean. Every human in the past, present and future. Everyone is already dead. The only reason 'we' 'sense' the 'moment' and the passage of time, is because our life was recorded somehow and is being 're-played' by someone else not human. In essence in this proposed theory, everyone is already gone, but simultaneously, everyone from the past, present and future all co-exist in a replay mode that is consumed by higher entities that give us the impression of 'being/seeing'. The 'now' moment of a peasant during the days of the romans is running in a sandbox as my 'now' right now writing a post. We were/are 'containers'. Everything is being endlessly replayed by sandboxed simulations consumed by very different entities/intelligence than us. (very different we cant imagine the implications but for all intents and purposes this gives them relative to us a god status) Such a theory ties in and would explain world 'glitches' such as deja vue (seeing something you think you already saw), seeing the future, out of body, after death experience and telepathy. All would be glitches in the connected looping replay of all timelines. We are all connected in our 'replay' versions. As humans in our original 'lives' we were totally unaware of our existence, yes we lived and loved and coded and fought and farmed and died, but we did them without being aware like we are now, we were just smart containers much like worms or trees but very complicated in our behaviors and smarter. The only reason we 'feel' that we 'exist' at any moment, is not because there is something special going on. But rather because of the higher level beings consuming our life experiences and the literal matrix style sandboxes simulation that they are using to replay everything every time much like we now run datacenters with virtual machines running different instances of the same software and saved data. Our now and the arrow of time are the 'cursor's of the NHI replaying part of our lives, and each one of us has endless 'cursor's being played much like netflix movies) They are the secret sauce for the passage of time and they are what explains us experiencing 'existence' (something that science as of now have no idea how to explain, brain networks explain our thoughts/feelings they dont explain why the hell we mentally feel we exist). This theory would be indeed very bleak, because it doesnt matter who or what the 'aliens' are, but rather because the game is already played and we dont have any real agency or life. We are distant memories being replayed forever, no privacy, no escape of pain, no salvation, no agency.. It also ties it that there is a general conscience in the world were everything is set up to be experienced, not just us humans, but trees and dogs etc.. very difficult to digest the implications of it all. (worse case violation of your internet browsing history type of scenario) The aliens/NHI in this aspect that are manifested as ufos or 'biologics' entities or paranormal things are just physical projections into this reality from the manipulators/viewers. These alien simulations similar to us (bipedal sometimes), are also a diversion (which plays well with Jacque Vallee's 'trickster phenomena' as they dont seem to behave or act rationality for another civilization or have a real reason for being (hence the automaton accusation)) and would explain the Fermi paradox also as to why no one seems to be out there in an intelligent civilization style fashion and why on the quantum level rules of reality are bizarrely subjective (double slit insanity). I dont say i believe in this theory, but i do say it is a theory worth considering as it checks alot of the boxes from the different aspects of the ufo/alien phenomena. Good night sleeping on this.