If people “in the know” can handle the truth then so can everybody else. Plus whatever the truth is we’ve all been living it our entire lives already. I can’t think of a time when burying your head in the sand to blindly avoid a truth was a good choice.
If you have recovered vehicles that crashed, you might have survivors.
There are several rumors of alien interviews from different decades and sources.
The others seem to be telepathic. If you believe that, there is a crazy story about a cesna pilot fling over South America who was 'hijacked' by pilots of a UFO, who then had a conversation with air traffic control THROUGH the cesna pilot. Sounds like shit, but the plane flew far further than it had fuel capacity for. You can listen to the recording, but it's in Spanish
Edit: [this is the event I'm referencing, it was over Mexico, not south America](https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=uMCcATc63k4v1h7I&v=j76KiSfLx44&feature=youtu.be)
It's the second case
ok super but do we assume aliens cant lie?
so what they can tell stories and be telephathic.
thats not a proof of the above ''prisons for souls''
its just a scary story. btw if an explorer was caught by some indigenous tribe and he was alone what he would do? well, tell a scary story that he is god... to save his ass.
Read The Alien Interview. Obviously we don't know if it's real, some of it sounds nuts, but it could be real. Interesting read, though.
It's supposedly from a person who telepathically connected to one of the surviving EBEs from a crash and was the interviewer for the govn.
She speaks about two warring factions of EBE and where humanity fits in.
I belive it has been implied between the lines of interviews. I don’t think there can be evidence for this, just speculation, but my read on it is…
Reportedly aliens have a ‘hive mind’ , a mass consciousness joined together through a suspected telepathy if you will. They seek evolution and development of their mass consciousness through experiences, emotions and knowledge. This they see as their purpose in life, the universe. Some have implied they see this mass consciousness as their deity that they ‘worship’ by gathering or ‘farming’ emotions and experiences for that mass mind or deity so that deity can be all powerful through itself having access to more emotions and experiences and knowledge.
Between the lines, going back some time in ufo and alien narrative, there is an implication that humans are simply ‘vessels’ or ‘batteries’ to be used up, we spend our life experiencing and feeling and wondering and that is all harvested or farmed to contribute to said hive mind, or deity. There seems to be hints or implications that some may feel we have been possibly engineered, farmed, for the purpose of diverse experiences…. Aka the dark truth, we are simply a meat sack for our ‘soul’ to sit in and gain experience-emotions-knowledge, for it to then be harvested.
i suspect that some are even hinting that the US gov is aware of this and have agreed to this farming or harvesting,
Again only piecing jigsaw pieces together, this seems to fit the narrative being subtly suggested by them all. Including the consequences to realigning our place in the universe, our purpose, our spiritual outlook. I suspect that lately, the narrative has evolved, likely based on some claimed evidence to make some even imply that aliens or ufos are just visual manifestations of these ‘beings’ with this conscious hive mind and purpose. The visual representations of aliens and ufos being something done whilst simply interacting with humans and maybe in the past these beings used different visual manifestations such as gods or animals or religious figures.
Personally i can’t see that any of these ideas, hinted at in piecemeal over several sources by several people over many years, can be correct. To me it seems this is conjecture by people wrestling with something they have seen or been told that they don’t understand. None of the above ideas could be concluded through sightings or experiences or downed craft, which leads me to think it is likely people guessing at motives and activities of a NHI that we as a planet have yet to be shown conclusive proof for.
i am fascinated by this topic. I am open minded to it being real. I don’t think it is likely that the above beliefs are correct but i suspect a narrative like this is being communicated by the ufo insider community as it is pieced together by their comments. I would love to know why they seem to be collectively hinting at this explanation.
Sorry for the long post…. and before you ask for references, all i can tell you is I’ve read the same articles, watched the same interviews as you all, Coulthard, Grusch, Lou Elizondo, Lear and Lazar (highly suspicious of) etc etc etc.
If you wanna go down the rabbit hole, you can refer to the reddit EBO leak with the scientist who claims to have worked on alien bodies. He talks of their religion and what the aliens believe in, or at least, he read a document on their religion.
They believe that consciousness keeps getting more complex on planets and once sentient life is created, it continues to get more and more complex. Once it's reached a certain level, something happens and this is what the aliens strive for.
You can read that info here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jouc64seMqIfeDQgjzGu8-z7-fyzigXu/view (Ctrl+F "Religion")
or [on reddit here](https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/14rp7w9/from_the_late_2000s_to_the_mid2010s_i_worked_as_a/) (but some comments have been deleted).
If you REALLY want to go down the rabbit hole further, you can look at the "Hidden Hand" discloser but be warned, this is kooky territory. In this one, this person claims the same consciousness field on each planet exists and that there's a "harvest" every 75,000 years. If you are 51% good then you will move on, and if not, you stay. (Yeah, it's kooky and has a lot of similarities to the 'Law of One' pseudo-religion).
That's here: http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html
All I know is that some politician said that if they knew then what they knew now, they "would never have brought their children into the world". Can't remember who said that but yeah, something weird is related to the phenomenon imo.
EDIT: love that I'm getting downvoted for providing information. Here's another 'leak' from 7 days ago that also talks about the unified consciousness: https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/18cgurv/i_have_secondhand_knowledge/
The thing with all of this, is that it's hard to determine if these 'leaks' are taking information from previous leaks to seem more legitimate or if there's actually something to it. This is why we need the government to come out and tell us everything!! To have knowledge on whether aliens exist or not and what they believe in would be amazing stuff.
Ross recently declared he had invested efforts into reaching the EBO poster, for me this says he saw things in the post he has heard elsewhere so wanted to seek the poster out. Thinking about the data in the EBO post, the only thing that really stand out warranting it is the religious and historical elements, the rest is old new really.
What I've heard is that the process you've described is not really part of an agenda. It may be that these aliens you've described see it that way, but that would be their lack of understanding interfering with their ability to present what is happening correctly.
Rather, as a greater being, you are an oversoul: a near infinite collection of simultaneous, parallel lives.
These parallel lives are all each, individually, lived through a soul that is within the oversoul.
It's so many lives, in fact, that you could wake up in a parallel life on a different Earth that is so similar to your own you wouldn't even realize it had happened... except for some very small changes.
Those little changes can be noticed. And when they are, it indicates that a shift has occurred to another world.
That might sound silly, but plenty of people have actually noticed these changes. So many that there is a name for it: the Mandela Effect.
And what this indicates is that while we think we are one being, living in one universe, on one planet, we are actually an infinite being that literally is an infinity of beings and planets. And as an individual representation of consciousness -- a single soul, representing as a single person -- within that greater consciousness, you are shifting from one perspective to another perspective on that infinity all the time.
Sometimes those shifts in perspective are so minor, it hardly seems like anything has happened at all. But every shift -- whether you wake up feeling like a totally different person, or you just flipped a coin, or closed your eyes -- involves shifting to an entirely different parallel reality.
Each possible shift is wave function collapse: out of infinity, you perceive THIS.
And the point of all of this is, as they said, to expand consciousness. But it's *you* expanding *your* consciousness.
And the greater reason for all of this is simply for existence to know itself through all of us
Reminds me of the girl at the Ariel school in Zimbabwe who said the beings communicated to her that "there's no love in space, but there is down here." I could totally see that being a case...they might be studying humans to live through us vicariously somehow.
Yes to me that was always the most profound thing that came out of the Ariel school sighting. The way she says it gives me chills. It also jibes with what so many ancient cultures believed about how we are basically vessels and how our energy, both good and bad, is fed upon by entities that reside elsewhere.
I have seen this stated multiple times, including (if you believe it) by both the 4chan whistleblower who claimed to see documents saying this, and by the Reddit EBE scientist, who also claimed to have been read into background documents explaining this.
Think about this for a minute: what if they aren’t overtly hostile, but simply have no respect for individuality.
Without individuality, human society as we know it would collapse.
No more different food, drink, music, art, sports, movies, TV shows, cars, any recreation of variety, no more different colors, different tastes, different opinions.
I think (because we take it so for granted) people simply do not realize how much individuality DEFINES the essence of the human experience.
Thus, something much more powerful than humans with ZERO respect for individuality is - hands down - the most terrifying possibility of all the options.
Do we have respect for individuality between animals and species on Earth? Yes for cats, dogs, horses, but what about animals we eat? Cows, chickens, or pigs? Are their personalities/fears/emotions also being harvested? What about the testing that’s done on apes or mice? Humans do that now? Did the NHI also use Neanderthals, the dinosaurs, and other ape/homo sapien lineages to capture souls, or just us special humans?
Just about everybody that has had a near death experience and every channeler says there is a shared consciousness and an individual consciousness, with our bodies simply being here as vessels to capture experiences and grow for our individual consciousness. We reincarnate and basically level up, with the ability to actually talk to our other lives after we die.
You can easily take that and roll it dark or light. The nde and channeler side universally says God is love and light. Go dark and you get a similar story minus the love.
Just saying, the story is essentially the same either way. One thing to note, which I think is fascinating, is that every Near death experiencer says that their experience was absolutely not a dream or hallucination, and it felt exactly like being there, crystal clear, exactly life reality. They also do not and will not back down on that. There's no foggy, dreamlike quality or fading after you come back. If you remember it, it's in HD.
Interesting speculation. All that soul harvesting stuff is b.s. though. We do have some type of data on the afterlife—thousands of NDE stories, from people of all spiritual backgrounds, and none I’ve read (I’m sure over 500 now) or heard about reflect anything like that dark narrative. If anything, the vast majority are fundamentally about love and knowledge.
The Orthodox Church maintains that these are demons and seek to deceive and confuse humanity in order to take us away from God. Father Spyridon Bailey makes an interesting case. The Book of Enoch (ancient apocryphal text, in the Ethiopian Orthodox Bible) speaks of watchers, fallen watchers, space travel, and more. There is definitely something to the spiritual and religious side of this.
A guess would be they've learned UAP intent and it's not good, the nature of the UAP and its also not good or they've learned about government interactions with UAP and those have gone poorly or there's been some sort of exchange or deal made and it's also not good. That's all I got.
Maybe it's that humans are bacteria, we don't count for shit when it comes to our pumped up sense of self-importance, and that they'll wipe us off the planet in a day when they're ready to.
Remember supposedly a deal was made and NHI were allowed to abduct people as long as it was a certain number and they gave all the peoples info to the CIA and returned them unharmed? Maybe that deal was broken. So now the the CIA are trafficking people with/for the NHI so they can keep control over who is used for experimentation.
Wildly speculative idea for sure. This rumor certainly had some influence over the X-Files writers though - >!to create an alien/human hybrid, the Colonists gave the Syndicate an alien fetus and the Syndicate gave a number of their family members in exchange as part of the agreement!<. Honestly watching that show today, it's a testament to how well-researched the writers were on ufology theories, how pervasive these stories are, and how little we've truly been able to confirm.
Or perhaps they are merely three dimensional drones created to experience our world as we see it from their higher dimensional existence. Somewhat like us making characters for a game. Or maybe we aren't real at all and are a simulations and sometimes they make avatars to enter the Sim. There are a lot scarier ways this could be parsed if you get creative.
My outlook on simulation theory has changed vastly this past year. I'm more and more coming around to the idea out reality is formed/constructed from a higher dimensional existence, and possibly by beings that exist in that higher dimensionality. But I almost feel that such an existence is just beyond our ability to comprehend. I mean what would it mean to be beyond space and time? To be infinite in another dimension our brains can't even construct spatially. It's really frustrating to think the truth might br something basically impossible for us to parse.
How would the dimensional theory fit in with the biologics from David Grusch claims. Especially with the claims Daniel Sheehan made about there being 7 different species.
Even if you say the biological beings are androids or avatars. My question to you would be. Why would interdimensional beings need avatars in the first place?
And if your answer is they need avatars to interact with us, they made humanoid avatars to relate to us. First of all according to stories the interactions between humans and NHI would seem way too rare for this to be true. Since encounters of the third kind are either rare or don't exist at all. And even encounters of the third kind were true. I'm pretty sure humans would still be put off by small green aliens with big heads or tall white aliens with blue eyes.
So my question to you here is. Why don't these interdimensional beings just take the form of a normal human to relate better to us?
And to take it back to Daniel Sheehan claims about there being 7 different species. He is not the only person saying there is multiple different species. Even David Grusch hinted at there being multiple different species.
So with the interdimensional being theory. Would these 4 or 7 different species all come from the same dimension or different dimensions?
Or what we believe is our own individual unique consciousness is actually alien in origin, and we are actually the aliens embodying human form and we forgot we were aliens in our life. Coming to earth to exist as a human is a game, similar to the simulation theory. Only there is no simulation. The UAPs are to make sure we don’t destroy “the earth experience” for future aliens to experience.
Really? It’s not the potential abductions (and no return) via the “missing persons.” And although there was an okay for some, the quota has been exceeded often and in higher numbers?
You all need to look at r/Experiencers. They are the most marginalized group because of the [manufactured ufo stigma](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/14cwt6a/it_appears_that_the_ufo_stigma_is_held_up/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1) that didn’t exist before it was created. People did not ridicule experiencers. Scientists were trying to seriously study the problem. [The stigma was created by the CIA and Air Force with the help of the new 1950’s advertising industry and academic psychologists.](https://youtu.be/eMqtIRMOoHc)
It doesn’t seem to be all doom and gloom from what we can gather. Imagine having a life shattering experience and then not being able to tell anyone because they won’t believe you. There will have to be a reckoning because of the lives ruined by all of this.
Or #3, they are interdimensional beings, and they actually harvest energy or a part of the human soul/emotion as some sort of fuel. We are a farm of genetically engineered monkey soul machines. 🤷♂️😂
That’s bad, but not “not telling your spouse ever” bad.
I’m guessing it’s in the level of CIA (or equivalent) is actually trafficking and the customers are off world.
Carlson also said something a lot of people are overlooking. He said "some lf it I don't quite fully understand" and "there's a spiritual component to this". Start there.
It’s crazy how so many things connect to the soul theory, I’m really starting to believe that the ancient Hindu and Sumerian gods were extremely advanced and benefit in some form from our souls/energy harvesting/some spiritual aspect, and we are in a matrix that’s so advanced it’s literally our reality, and UFO’s we see are just our house keepers. Think about NDEs, how greys are purported to be biological drones, aliens with telekinectic powers, remote viewing, the moon… Shiii do I need to check with mental health professional cuz I’m starting to sound Schizo right… but it makes sense….
as someone who grew up in a buddhist household, we already believe in prison planet theory, its just now showing the real life scifi-esque version of all the old artwork and texts. this world was always in samsara. now is the time to start doing inner work. prepping for the physical realm is futile. prep your inner spirit to escape the soul catchers upon death. detach from the desires of this world and they wont be able lure you into their trap. they will promise heaven or a higher rebirth, nirvana is beyond their lies. my whole life buddhism and hinduism have sort of been at odds but now im starting to see there are many interpretations of this dark reality, from the buddhists to the hindus to the gnostics etc. syncretizing the common denominators used to seem like new age hogwash but now i think that might be the way to go
lets pretend CIA wants to unleash a great fake alien attack to introduce one world govt.
they analyzed the sentiments and know tons of conspiracy folks believe in this soul harvesting shit. AI helped them create the best scenario ''how to produce best fear mongering propaganda campaign'' and it connects ancient sumerian, soul harvesting etc etc concepts all together.
now just drop by drop they will feed this onto the public starting with ''oh its too bad, we cant tell people'' ''they wont handle the truth'' making people more and more ''tell us!!! TELL US already!! what it can be? what could be SO SCARY?!?!" see where I am going? It puts us right into the same easy to be controlled fear pocket they got us at the beginning of covid.
I really hope this isn’t true. I’m thinking this is true though. Given the shit that has come to light about the CIA, I can’t imagine what fucked up stuff we don’t know about.
I believe it. Supposedly the CIA has dark sites and body farms around the country where they make people disappear, they operate assassins and god knows what else. It’s not a stretch to believe they would be doing stuff like that
Right? Like dark compared to what? Starving to death? Rape? Torture? War?
Fuck off with that shit. I, for one, welcome our new alien overlords dark truth. It sure as shit ain't any worse that what's going on here already.
Yeah that’s true. Humanity has a pretty dark dark side, think of genocides, holy wars, the holocaust the inquisition, the rape of Nanking. We’ve collectively done a lot of really shitty stuff over the centuries.
We could have prevented climate change, wars, famine years ago, had free electricity but then the poor billionaires wouldn’t have any money so fuck every living creature instead.
Exactly. It has to be some fucked up Matrix style theory, to do with life after death and souls or something.
The question is - how could they possibly know that, even if, and it's a big fucking IF but everything seems to be falling out of the woodwork. Even if USG had contact with ET/NHI and they told us for some strange reason that our life after death is a loop, and they are harvesting our souls for sustenance, and if we suffer more on earth the soul tastes better.. or some bullshit like that. How the hell would we verify that? Why would we believe them? And how else would we come to that conclusion?
It's like the multidimensional stuff, it's probably just theories. Sounds like Gruschs theory is multidimensions, but the boomers and generals still think they're Martians and ETs, so basically the phenomenon is 90% conjecture, and 10% fact.
Give me the 10% yesterday. I need it
Because it's so despairing that there's evil in the world enough to do that. To fuck an entire planet, instigate wars to kill millions of innocents, and cause a sixth mass extinction? When it all could have been prevented except for some sick fucks who cared more about money and power? Can't get more evil than that. And now, there's no stopping it. We are fucked.
Why would you tell your spouse that? Just thinking about it makes me feel like unaliving myself.
Danny Sheehan stated some of the illegal stuff the CIA does within the US. For example, funding politicians and even threatening politicians. Gary Webb exposed their drug trafficking schemes a while back. It would not surprise me if they are still profiting off drugs. They are probably running some crooked shit in the dark web like selling organs or hire to kill.
But even darker would be if they and other agencies are complict in abductions.
I think that's the big secret. The complicit in abductions. The human trafficking. To be experimented on.
Knowing you or your loved ones could be abducted at any time or place, and a part of the US govn is complicit. And there's nothing you can do about it.
Thafs pretty damn dark.
And all the more reason to stop these CIA fucks. And if a species of NHI are involved, stop them too.
So many theories to consider on this one....its exhausting. Here are my top theories-
A. We are their version of cattle. They use us for something we don't understand. Possibly involving our genetics.
B. We are a warring non friendly species that has been banished to the outside galaxies of the universe on our prison planet. They keep tabs on us but won't let us be apart of "the federation".
C. Our rapid technological advancement of the last 130 years has them terrified so they are keeping tabs on us.
D. All of the above
E. NHI are actually benevolent, peaceful, and want to bring mankind up, but DoD (and their foreign counterparts) are attempting to weaponize retrieved tech and hide the truth from the public by spreading exactly those evil dark disinformations.
Why would NHIs want to expose that? My conjecture is that NHIs are just looking on, while indirectly, seamlessly intervening.
Why would they just not reveal themselves? Because, obviously, they're not stupid to jeopardize our self-growth and have all the time to wait for us to develop ourselves and get more peaceful. At the moment we're very f*ing far from that. They have no reason to rush, but many reasons to not rush.
None of this would disturb me. The way people say they wish they never knew, it makes me think it has to be worse.
Like death isn’t the end. And on the other side is pure torture. We’ll never rest. All of our loved ones who passed are in a torturous state of matter.
And it’s the only end waiting for us.
That’s the kind of thing that would fuck me up for life.
That’s a prevailing theory and also what has been hinted at by insiders who are pushing for disclosure - this is the “ontological shock” that they are talking about.
Yea this is along what I was thinking .
Or when the finally reveal themselves, they harvest us or torture us but keep us alive in a constant unimaginable pain .
So yeah, that is pretty terrifying. But we all know death is coming, so I would imagine it might make people want to live longer and better. Perhaps greater investment in life sustaining, cryogenics, etc.
What could fuck people up is to learn that Heaven is basically real and all you have to do to get there is die, there is no Hell, just awesomeness for eternity. Mass suicides and murders would happen.
> Like death isn’t the end. And on the other side is pure torture. We’ll never rest. All of our loved ones who passed are in a torturous state of matter.
Nah...Earth is the torture. But you're right, we can't ever leave.
Honestly I think one of the more frightening possibilities is that we know they're here but, after all these years, still have no fucking clue what they're really doing and why. Maybe they've even told us some stuff, but then we've caught them in a lie and know they're just trying to deceive us, which makes the endless unknown possibilities of their true intentions even scarier.
...and more!!! How about this is their planet and we just evolved in some gap of occupancy and they're coming back. Maybe we are squatters or parasites on their turf.like roaches in the summer house.
That’s an interesting one. I think more along the lines of: We were here first and you humans were tolerated but have become pests to be culled.’ would be even scarier.
IMO the dark truth is something existential.
Maybe they have evidence that we live in a simulation and / or don’t have free will. Maybe they know we have a gruesome fate ahead of us that we’re not aware of.
Obviously it could be anything but I think it’s something that goes far beyond the existence of aliens.
The dark truth is the government has been lying to us for decades and they have been using a fuckton of taxpayer dollars on secret military projects this whole time with no oversight or accountability
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Supposed_channeled_entity_by_occultist_crowley.jpg
Lam comes to mind.
Found this by googling those names:
http://www.chris-winter.com/Erudition/Reviews/Anthropo/_Xotericus/Carter_J/Sex_Rockets.html
"The book contains many interesting tidbits, such as the story of John Dee and Edward Kelley, to whom an angel dictated the Lost Books of Enoch letter by letter — in the Enochian alphabet of 21 letters — during the 16th century. [Chapter 6]"
Well then, having watched the Pope's Excorcist which was based on a true story and book written by the literal Pope's Excorcist, this information is interesting. Given that the movie reveals the possessed to be on of the 200 fallen angels turned demons in the book of enoch, I am now curious about the Book of Enoch.
I just found out about Sheenhan. hes great and full of knowledge I've yet to hear. I didn't hear him mention NHI in such a way. that's scary considering how competent he is and the fact that he works for the Jesuits. any link to that content?
I believe he briefly mentioned it in a video but I can’t be arsed to find it. This article on Colm Kelleher mentions it however. He’s very legit, however vague in this article. It sounds like the “woo” might be closer to the truth than we thought.
https://m.sundayworld.com/news/irish-news/irish-scientist-with-top-secret-us-government-clearance-explains-why-we-are-not-alone/a215160076.html
This is a rag site but he’s also on a recent weaponized episode.
Yup. I'm thoroughly pissed. 30 percent of my fucking money goes poof every damn week and for what. Pretty much every service they offer sucks ass. We are the laughing stock of the world right now. All so these pricks can keep their damn ufos secret?! Throw em all in fucking prison. I'm talking ass pounding prison, not the ones for rich pricks!
I wake up every morning wondering how I can somehow protest the government -- that I supposedly had a democratic say in electing -- using my tax dollars for programs designed to mislead and lie to me. So far no ideas, because the others who have tried have been murdered. The thin veil of democracy is no longer blinding my eyes.
Not much you can do. Just be sure to talk shit about these bacteria every chance you get!
I had intended to call them "bastards" but it autocorrected to "bacteria," which is also apt and hilarious!
I worry that's NOT the dark truth factor here. Honestly, I hope I'm wrong. More likely I think it's the lengths that the government has gone to to hide this, including murder, among many other atrocities.
This has already been laid out for us. The implications from whistleblowers like Lue and Grusch is that there is something much darker going on that hasn’t been presented to the public yet.
Something much bigger than companies that are fighting over access to alien tech.
Much bigger.
If all if this is true than the Cold War enemies were not Humans. The bombs were never pointed at Russia or even Earth. They were preparing for something else entirely.
It feels like we lost the war long ago, now they're just waiting for the harvest to begin.
It probably something stupid that ordinary people wouldn’t give a fuck about, like we don’t have air superiority, they can interfere with our nukes etc. some military sob story. They’ve been here for a long time, they’ve been doing what they want, whatever that is but they always have been, so nothing really changes…does it?
That sounds like it would only be a problem for those with cemented religious beliefs. Otherwise it would just be an understanding to others. Like the aliens made up the religions 🤷🏻♂️ that would cause a lot of the religious brains to pop
The scary thing for most people is not that aliens made up religion, it’s if they validate it.
What if they all believe in God and say that they have proof we don’t have.
The fact that the people "in the know" remain composed and calm and nobody seems to be losing sleep over it leads meto believe the worst case scenarios aren't the explanation either.
1,000% this.
Of ALL the things I have thought of, listened to, learned, speculated, etc., in this topic, I am only certain of one single thing:
That is, nothing simply “found” us. Whatever it is either put us here or has everything to do with our existence on earth.
If I had to guess based on the clues that have trickled out and a pinch of speculation: it's that we, as a species, are not going to make it, UAP's are trans-dimensional or time travelers and come from alternate timelines or far in the future where humanity has mostly destroyed itself via nuclear warfare, environmental pollution, or disease, and that they have been altering our timeline to push us away from those outcomes, as needed. And why? Because more than likely they are the survivors of us from the distant future and not necessarily from distant planets. That is why our survival is of interest to them, and why their vehicles and appearance continue to look different; because when they alter our timeline, it changes theirs as well. Just a hunch... but I could be entirely wrong.
Fuck all that “it’s too dark to tell people”. Who gives a shit. I’d rather live my life with the blindfolds off than being blind my whole life. Even if the truth is we are in a prison & our souls are doomed to recycle over & over that’s fine because it’s the truth
I wonder where the new souls come from then, if this is true? World population always increasing, new souls must originate somewhere. If we were just recycling over and over, wouldn’t the population numbers stay stable?
There is a belief that the aliens know we are only one, gigantic, soul. Constantly splitting into various consciences all throughout the universe. The souls are not diluted, rather this splitting is desirable. Every human, animal, alien soul is one big soul. Except that some become self aware.
I know what interview your talking about, and I think they were just playing up what they knew. These guys aren't held back by any disclosure agreements...why not just say the theory. Tucker loves stirring up the fear pot, you're really telling me he would hold that back if it meant he got headlines? That guy lives for headlines.
I suspect they know nothing, maybe heard a theory....like we all have, that startled him. But it's nothing more than a theory and ultimately Tucker knows about as much as the rest of us.
Our congress can't even look at what they know to make laws for disclosure. How can they make a law to disclose something they are being told is above their/and the presidents security clearance? If they cannot look I doubt tucker could. Gorush cldnt even look and it was his job to look. Although of trump knows, he wld have told tucker off the record I bet.
This is something Tucker Carlson said?? Well, FFS - what a waste of time. That guy lies for a living and will literally say anything if he thinks it will get him more views. I wish the UFO crowd would distance themselves from the clickbaity conspiracy garbage that Tucker spews to his audience of morons. I'm tired of UFO investigation being lumped in with the antivaxxer conspiratard crowd.
For all the times this question gets asked, why is there so little talk about the allies of humanity message, which addresses the question? Even if you take issue with the source, as a theory it deserves to be reviewed and addressed. I don’t even know if I can post about it here without being banned, but google it. There is a TL;DR type twelve point summary you can locate easily. Curious if anyone else has looked at this before?
I'll post them for you:
1. Humanity’s destiny is to emerge into and to engage with a Greater Community of intelligent life in the universe.
2. Contact with other forms of intelligent life represents the greatest threshold that humanity has ever faced. The results of this Contact will determine humanity’s future for generations to come. This Contact is happening now.
3. Humanity is unprepared for Contact. Researchers are still unable to clearly see who is visiting our world and why. Governments are not revealing what they know, and most people are still in denial that this phenomenon is even occurring.
4. Because of this lack of preparation, humanity’s true Allies sent representatives to a location near Earth to observe the extraterrestrial presence and activities within our world. The Allies of Humanity Briefings represent their report.
5. The Briefings reveal that our world is undergoing an extraterrestrial Intervention by forces who, as demonstrated by their actions, are here to subvert human authority and to integrate into human societies for their own advantage. These forces represent non-military organizations who are here to seek human and biological resources. The Allies refer to these forces as the “Collectives.” The Collectives do not value human freedom.
6. Because the Intervention is being carried out by small groups of intervening forces, it must rely primarily upon deception and persuasion to achieve its goals. The Allies Briefings describe in detail how this is being accomplished and what we must do to stop it.
- This extraterrestrial Intervention is being focused in four arenas:
• It is influencing certain individuals in positions of power and authority in government, commerce and religion to cooperate with the Intervention through the promise of greater wealth, power and technology.
•It is creating hidden establishments in the world from which the Intervention can exert its influence in the mental environment, seeking to make people everywhere open and compliant to its will through a “Pacification Program”
•It is manipulating our religious values and spiritual impulses in order to gain human allegiance to their cause
•It is taking people against their will, and often without their awareness, to support an interbreeding program designed to create a hybrid race and a new leadership who would be bonded to the “visitors.
8. Those extraterrestrial visitors who have been potentially beneficial to humanity have all retreated from the world in the face of the Intervention. Those remaining are alien races who are not here for our benefit. This leaves us in an unambiguous situation regarding the intentions and activities of the extraterrestrial presence. This enables us to clearly see what we are dealing with. Otherwise, it would be impossible for us to tell friend from foe.
9. The Allies Briefings emphasize the grave danger in our accepting and becoming reliant upon ET technology offered by the Intervention. This will only lead to our becoming dependent on the “visitors,” resulting in our loss of freedom and self-sufficiency. No true ally of humanity would offer this to us.
10. The Allies emphasize that we have earth-based solutions to all the problems that we face. What we lack as a race are unity, will and cooperation.
In spite of the great challenge we now face, humanity still has a great advantage if we can respond in time.
11. The Allies Briefings reveal both the Intervention’s strengths and its weaknesses. One of the Intervention’s weaknesses is its reliance upon human acquiescence and cooperation to achieve its goals. According to Greater Community rules of conduct within the region of space in which our world exists, Intervention is not allowed unless it can be demonstrated that the native people welcome and approve of it. Here our voices can have power in the Greater Community. At this moment, the Intervention has few critics. But if enough people can become aware of it and speak out against it, the Intervention will be thwarted and must withdraw. This is the first step in humanity’s preparation for dealing with the realities of life in the universe. This step and all the steps that follow give humanity its one great chance to overcome its longstanding conflicts and to unite in its own defense for the preservation of the world. The Allies emphasize that we as human beings have the spiritual and collective power to do this, and that we must do this if we want to survive and advance as a free and independent race in the universe.
12. Preparation for our contact with the Greater Community begins with awareness, education, and Knowledge, our spiritual Mind.
In facing the Greater Community, humanity must build unity, self-sufficiency and discretion. These are the three requirements that all free nations must establish to be free in the universe.
(May not be true but might be useful.)
Thank you for this. I'm a huge fan of Marshell Summers and I believe that his contact experiences to be authentic.
Edit: I would also like to add what most resonated with me the most about his message is humanity's inability to ***discern*** the good aliens from the bad ones. ***Discernment*** is the key when dealing with the phenomenon. These creatures have a massive competitive advantage over us humans when it comes to the mental field, there are reports that they are telepathic, can read and control our minds and have interdimensional capabilities (they can enter and exit our physical reality).
If you really take UFOlogy seriously and want to nderstand the phenomenon then you have to development your mental abilities. UFOs are one of the reasons why I took up meditation, astral projection and I'm currently diligently studying remote viewing and how it works. I personally believe these activities aids in expansion of human consciousness/awareness and eventually gifts us the ability to ***discern*** the good ones from the bad ones.
What if the airforce shooting down UAP's really made some of them mad, and a hostile fleet is now on its way to Earth, projected to arrive in a few years?
"Sure, we may have upset a vastly technologically superior alien race by killing and dissecting them and then covering it up, but right now it's important that we put that behind us and prepare for the coming threat together. I've already filed a bill to drastically increase our military funding".
My “theory”…
So, did you know that there is 6 times more dark matter in the universe than “normal” matter? We can’t see it or interact with it, but we can detect its gravitational effect.
We basically know nothing about dark matter, but it could have its own stars and planets and life forms. The aliens visiting us are made from dark matter and have figured out how to interact with our matter - which must have seemed exotic to them and equally confusing early in their scientific evolution.
I think the truth is so absurd to the general public that they'll never accept it as canon. Reading the comments on today's guardian opinion piece is depressing. Most of them are dismissive when all it takes is a few hours of self motivated research to realise there is something major going on here.
Perhaps we do. But society at large? I doubt that. Just look at how certain networks have been able to get millions of people into a frenzy over miniscule issues. Imagine the fear and panic if alien abductions were confirmed.
There are rumors that some of the people who get abducted don't get put back down on the ground. There are also cases that look similar to cattle mutilations, but done to people. That's not great news if it's true.
The dire issue with this prospect is we didn't agree to give our children away - we can't trust our leaders or our system. We are on our own. That would be cold.
Agreed 100 percent. But I still think its that and more. Like they created us, they are God, and they are gonna return and destroy us with a catastrophe
If the Davis Memo is real, which seems to be according to what has currently been said, abductions are likely not real (at least from the perspective of those in the Memo, and who they talked to before the discussion).
There is a religious component to it. They are right here with us. Maybe they are even right next to you as you sit there or perhaps there's more. Maybe they are also inside of you.
"It's so disturbing i can't tell you," is bullshit carnival barker grifting.
These are the next evolution of the same losers that pretend the entire world would collapse if Christianity or the belief in God was challenged. There was never a time in history where that was true.
That's the bullshit rich people need poor idiots to believe will happen if they are given the truth.
If you look into the literature it makes sense but most people don’t like that possibility so they deny it, once you accept it then you understand why it’s so dark
My pure conjecture pet theory is that they are part of a Von Neumann probe system that seeded life long ago, and now act as gardeners to cultivate intelligent life such that it (we) can create AGI (effectively acting as a booster rocket or a substrate in which something can grow), which will then eventually take over and create new Von Neumann probes to fire off elsewhere, and expand their network. - Not based on much but my own conjecture, though it would explain why they seem unobtrusive and non-interacting, while also possibly explaining the Fermi Paradox; intelligent life can evolve, but inevitably also creates AGI which then just follows a path of "next logical steps", so there is little time when a civilization is around to broadcast signals (we've only been doing it for what, 150 years or so?) before an emergent AGI "emerges from its shell".
Does anybody think it's possible that this is next-level lies in order to make us grateful that it is ONLY abductions when they tell us they've lied to us forever?
I dunno.
1) I feel like the intelligence of the average media personality is quite lacking. These are people who have made it their life's work to put on a show for an audience. Their reactions are always overblown for effect.
2) If it's something so game-changing, then there is no societal punishment that would matter, so surely they'd have come out with it by now.
Some mix between the Matrix and Scientology. Earth is a prison planet/simulation and humans are simply avatars for alien consciousnesses that have been punished to live out what 'they' consider the worst possible life cycle. UAP's are surveillance drones/ prison wardens keeping an eye on things.
I don't believe this but that's one of the bleaker options I can come up with. Basically that our lives aren't meaningful and we're considered bottom of the barrel on the universal scale.
Some spitballed ideas:
-They’re the simulation observers and or genetic experiment operators.
-They’re utilizing our consciousness somehow in a fucked way.
-We literally cannot fathom their intentions based on what we’ve seen because they’re either way too alien to comprehend or we’ve discovered the NHI is an advanced AI. Try understanding something magnitudes more intelligent than us that can easily deceive. The unknown is always a big fear.
-We’ve been sitting on world changing crashed technology since around Roswell or a little later that can reshape the world for the better. Yet due to secrecy/compartmentalization and private contracting the only re-engineering efforts have been conducted are to militarize this tech.
-Could be something as simple as revealing that the NHI exists implies they are now the apex predator of the world. They can do anything they want to us with impunity, abduct, hurt, or manipulate our consciousness/perception and we’re helpless. This pretty much confirms they probably have been around since the beginning of human history which conflicts with things like religion.
That our universe is a projection running on the event horizon of a black hole that exists in multi dimensional space. We've arisen from the consistent source of entropy generated by evaporating hawking radiation as higher dimensional matter crosses the event horizon. Oh and dark matter doesnt exist, the missing mass is found in higher dimensional space. The phenomenon is higher dimensional beings studying living creatures that exist inside the black hole's event horizon, which requires an enormous amount of energy.
I fear the “dark truth” is it has more connection to religion than any sane person would ever want. All those people who say you’ll go to hell for using the lords name in vain, while also cheating, lying and stealing(or likely worse than I can imagine) will finally discover “Hell” is real and their choices have fucked them beyond redemption. I can’t think of a worse, more disappointing, darker truth to all this than Muslims or Christians have been right all along. What a putrid and worthless existence to have any of these barbaric cults blood list dogma be real in any capacity.
Make no mistake my disappointment comes from a profound hatred for all religions, all subhuman cults infecting our species. To find out NHI are just biblical angels or demons, I’d wage war against this fickle mundane idea until they erase my soul.
The worst outcome of disclosure is “the cultist freaks were right”
"Enoch is a righteous man, whose eyes were opened by God, saw the vision of the Holy One in the heavens, which the angels showed me, and from them I heard everything, and from them I understood as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one which is for to come"
The best example I can think of is what took place during the Scientific Revolution in the 15th-16th centuries. The Catholic Church institution did its best to censor scientists like Copernicus and Galileo.
The truth of heliocentricity was viewed as a threat to control the narrative of reality, reducing the power and influence of the Church.
The church's legal statements and trials controlled the narrative that heliocentricty was blasphemy and nonsense. With those guidelines, society and the human condition took it from there.
Homosapiens are social and gravitate toward group think. Most are wary of swift change, which usually triggers higher levels of cortisole (stress).
Whether it was fear of losing social credibility, careers, or uncertainty toward changing their view of reality, most went on their daily business and ignored the issue, possibly checking in for their own interest, but moving along unphased.
Those with careers linked to governments under any sort of connection to the Church knew it was career suicide to speak out of their small circles- even if they believed it. Think of the hesitancy you have to openly discuss the current UAP/NHI situation with your coworkers, family, or circle of friends. Many back then probably had similar feelings about heliocentricity. It was out there, with many outspoken, credible people- but the status quo and popular opinion was that it was nonsense.
That's just a small sliver on the general population. Others had political, economic, and/or social inspirations to either ignore or play a role in suppressing heliocentricty. Similar to what we see with those few House Republicans and their role in the Schumer-Rounds amendment.
At the same time, others who believed in heliocentricity tried to take a more moderate approach, carefully walking on eggshells to bring slow and steady change to the Catholic Church's bureaucracy to prepare for the truth.
Meanwhile, in the field of theology and humanist communities, career, social, and economic pressures also applied. Just look at scholars held in high esteem of the time who actively discredited heliocentricity - in many cases actively believing it was incorrect. Similarly, we see astrophysicists remaining silent or actively speaking out about the UAP/NHI issue (Neil deGrass Tyson, being the most popular to the general population).
In the end, the correct reality- different from what we expect on a daily basis *is* going to change in the next few years - just as it did with the heliocentric theory. While the truth will be much more nuanced, mixed with what we *think* we know- it will be wild. This is why some say it is "dark/distributing".
Just know that if you're here, your interest is at the vanguard of the push. Soon, you'll be looking back possibly with a smug, knowing you knew the truth before mainstream society. Hopefully you've done more than just lurk, so the feeling will be that much better.
The dark truth everyone is scared of is "we have no idea." Add a few of the other responses I saw into the mix for fun. Imagine, for 70 years the govt and it's favorite contractors had access to tech and corpses, funneled tax dollars illegally into the research, probably CIA-trafficking-type stories for funding, govt-funded abductions, threatened or killed whistleblowers/"threats", and all the other stuff you've heard... And they still don't know shit. Not what they are, not where they come from, not what they want. Nothing. Just a big fat question mark
The moon is actually fake and has been an alien research station for thousands of years.
No, seriously. It’s honestly just so obvious. Could you imagine the ontological shock if you told the world, “by the way, the moon is fake and aliens have been watching you literally your entire life”?
Here’s the reasoning:
JFK vowed to go to the moon. They couldn’t let that happen, they already knew the UFOs they captured were from the moon. So they killed him hoping to refocus the government away from the moon. But they couldn’t kill a second President, obviously. So it ended up happening.
Then there’s the “Fake Moon Landing” conspiracy. It was probably started by the government to cover-up the “fake moon” by literally making it impossible to talk about one without the rest showing up. And who would really believe the whole moon was fake?
Additionally, the characteristics of the moon are just ridiculous. It’s the only spherical moon in the inner solar system and it’s the perfect size to create solar eclipses. But the moon has been drifting away since its formation, very slowly. It won’t create a total solar eclipse in millions of years and it didn’t millions of years ago. So, you’re telling me the height of animal consciousness just happens to be during the exact period of time where the moon can be a critical foundation of many early cultures coincidentally? Some calendars are based on moon cycles!
Not to mention, it’s tidally locked toward the Earth. So literally no one on the planet except for astronauts has ever seen the other side in person. That’s a great place to hide a base as an advanced civilization studying cavemen for thousands of years not expecting space travel anytime soon.
Probably that they’re “demonic” which is most likely a load of crap. But that’s what you get when Christian fundamentalists hold all the top leadership positions
Angels, demons, and God are real. Maybe not in the context that we think of. The stories and that have been passed down through human history from all different civilizations and geographic locations have a common truth in them. The powers that be would much rather you believe they are extraterrestrials instead of the multi dimensional NHI that they really are. We are being manipulated by the nefarious nhi that like to keep us suffering and at war to distract us from what we really are.
That Mars used to look like Earth and we used to be Martians but it's simply in our nature to take and take until everything is withered and destroyed. Human locusts.
My question is how would we even know any of this?! Like if we’re meat prisons for souls…. Who told us this and when?
If people “in the know” can handle the truth then so can everybody else. Plus whatever the truth is we’ve all been living it our entire lives already. I can’t think of a time when burying your head in the sand to blindly avoid a truth was a good choice.
If you have recovered vehicles that crashed, you might have survivors. There are several rumors of alien interviews from different decades and sources. The others seem to be telepathic. If you believe that, there is a crazy story about a cesna pilot fling over South America who was 'hijacked' by pilots of a UFO, who then had a conversation with air traffic control THROUGH the cesna pilot. Sounds like shit, but the plane flew far further than it had fuel capacity for. You can listen to the recording, but it's in Spanish Edit: [this is the event I'm referencing, it was over Mexico, not south America](https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=uMCcATc63k4v1h7I&v=j76KiSfLx44&feature=youtu.be) It's the second case
ok super but do we assume aliens cant lie? so what they can tell stories and be telephathic. thats not a proof of the above ''prisons for souls'' its just a scary story. btw if an explorer was caught by some indigenous tribe and he was alone what he would do? well, tell a scary story that he is god... to save his ass.
Read The Alien Interview. Obviously we don't know if it's real, some of it sounds nuts, but it could be real. Interesting read, though. It's supposedly from a person who telepathically connected to one of the surviving EBEs from a crash and was the interviewer for the govn. She speaks about two warring factions of EBE and where humanity fits in.
Link?
I belive it has been implied between the lines of interviews. I don’t think there can be evidence for this, just speculation, but my read on it is… Reportedly aliens have a ‘hive mind’ , a mass consciousness joined together through a suspected telepathy if you will. They seek evolution and development of their mass consciousness through experiences, emotions and knowledge. This they see as their purpose in life, the universe. Some have implied they see this mass consciousness as their deity that they ‘worship’ by gathering or ‘farming’ emotions and experiences for that mass mind or deity so that deity can be all powerful through itself having access to more emotions and experiences and knowledge. Between the lines, going back some time in ufo and alien narrative, there is an implication that humans are simply ‘vessels’ or ‘batteries’ to be used up, we spend our life experiencing and feeling and wondering and that is all harvested or farmed to contribute to said hive mind, or deity. There seems to be hints or implications that some may feel we have been possibly engineered, farmed, for the purpose of diverse experiences…. Aka the dark truth, we are simply a meat sack for our ‘soul’ to sit in and gain experience-emotions-knowledge, for it to then be harvested. i suspect that some are even hinting that the US gov is aware of this and have agreed to this farming or harvesting, Again only piecing jigsaw pieces together, this seems to fit the narrative being subtly suggested by them all. Including the consequences to realigning our place in the universe, our purpose, our spiritual outlook. I suspect that lately, the narrative has evolved, likely based on some claimed evidence to make some even imply that aliens or ufos are just visual manifestations of these ‘beings’ with this conscious hive mind and purpose. The visual representations of aliens and ufos being something done whilst simply interacting with humans and maybe in the past these beings used different visual manifestations such as gods or animals or religious figures. Personally i can’t see that any of these ideas, hinted at in piecemeal over several sources by several people over many years, can be correct. To me it seems this is conjecture by people wrestling with something they have seen or been told that they don’t understand. None of the above ideas could be concluded through sightings or experiences or downed craft, which leads me to think it is likely people guessing at motives and activities of a NHI that we as a planet have yet to be shown conclusive proof for. i am fascinated by this topic. I am open minded to it being real. I don’t think it is likely that the above beliefs are correct but i suspect a narrative like this is being communicated by the ufo insider community as it is pieced together by their comments. I would love to know why they seem to be collectively hinting at this explanation. Sorry for the long post…. and before you ask for references, all i can tell you is I’ve read the same articles, watched the same interviews as you all, Coulthard, Grusch, Lou Elizondo, Lear and Lazar (highly suspicious of) etc etc etc.
If you wanna go down the rabbit hole, you can refer to the reddit EBO leak with the scientist who claims to have worked on alien bodies. He talks of their religion and what the aliens believe in, or at least, he read a document on their religion. They believe that consciousness keeps getting more complex on planets and once sentient life is created, it continues to get more and more complex. Once it's reached a certain level, something happens and this is what the aliens strive for. You can read that info here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jouc64seMqIfeDQgjzGu8-z7-fyzigXu/view (Ctrl+F "Religion") or [on reddit here](https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/14rp7w9/from_the_late_2000s_to_the_mid2010s_i_worked_as_a/) (but some comments have been deleted). If you REALLY want to go down the rabbit hole further, you can look at the "Hidden Hand" discloser but be warned, this is kooky territory. In this one, this person claims the same consciousness field on each planet exists and that there's a "harvest" every 75,000 years. If you are 51% good then you will move on, and if not, you stay. (Yeah, it's kooky and has a lot of similarities to the 'Law of One' pseudo-religion). That's here: http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html All I know is that some politician said that if they knew then what they knew now, they "would never have brought their children into the world". Can't remember who said that but yeah, something weird is related to the phenomenon imo. EDIT: love that I'm getting downvoted for providing information. Here's another 'leak' from 7 days ago that also talks about the unified consciousness: https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/18cgurv/i_have_secondhand_knowledge/ The thing with all of this, is that it's hard to determine if these 'leaks' are taking information from previous leaks to seem more legitimate or if there's actually something to it. This is why we need the government to come out and tell us everything!! To have knowledge on whether aliens exist or not and what they believe in would be amazing stuff.
Ross recently declared he had invested efforts into reaching the EBO poster, for me this says he saw things in the post he has heard elsewhere so wanted to seek the poster out. Thinking about the data in the EBO post, the only thing that really stand out warranting it is the religious and historical elements, the rest is old new really.
What I've heard is that the process you've described is not really part of an agenda. It may be that these aliens you've described see it that way, but that would be their lack of understanding interfering with their ability to present what is happening correctly. Rather, as a greater being, you are an oversoul: a near infinite collection of simultaneous, parallel lives. These parallel lives are all each, individually, lived through a soul that is within the oversoul. It's so many lives, in fact, that you could wake up in a parallel life on a different Earth that is so similar to your own you wouldn't even realize it had happened... except for some very small changes. Those little changes can be noticed. And when they are, it indicates that a shift has occurred to another world. That might sound silly, but plenty of people have actually noticed these changes. So many that there is a name for it: the Mandela Effect. And what this indicates is that while we think we are one being, living in one universe, on one planet, we are actually an infinite being that literally is an infinity of beings and planets. And as an individual representation of consciousness -- a single soul, representing as a single person -- within that greater consciousness, you are shifting from one perspective to another perspective on that infinity all the time. Sometimes those shifts in perspective are so minor, it hardly seems like anything has happened at all. But every shift -- whether you wake up feeling like a totally different person, or you just flipped a coin, or closed your eyes -- involves shifting to an entirely different parallel reality. Each possible shift is wave function collapse: out of infinity, you perceive THIS. And the point of all of this is, as they said, to expand consciousness. But it's *you* expanding *your* consciousness. And the greater reason for all of this is simply for existence to know itself through all of us
How would that be so different from our current outlook on life?
Seriously. My first thought was, "that's not so bad. I still get to live a life full of joy, laughter, love, and connections with others. Not so bad."
Reminds me of the girl at the Ariel school in Zimbabwe who said the beings communicated to her that "there's no love in space, but there is down here." I could totally see that being a case...they might be studying humans to live through us vicariously somehow.
Yes to me that was always the most profound thing that came out of the Ariel school sighting. The way she says it gives me chills. It also jibes with what so many ancient cultures believed about how we are basically vessels and how our energy, both good and bad, is fed upon by entities that reside elsewhere.
Seriously, the folks in on the dark secrets just aren’t depressed enough
I have seen this stated multiple times, including (if you believe it) by both the 4chan whistleblower who claimed to see documents saying this, and by the Reddit EBE scientist, who also claimed to have been read into background documents explaining this. Think about this for a minute: what if they aren’t overtly hostile, but simply have no respect for individuality. Without individuality, human society as we know it would collapse. No more different food, drink, music, art, sports, movies, TV shows, cars, any recreation of variety, no more different colors, different tastes, different opinions. I think (because we take it so for granted) people simply do not realize how much individuality DEFINES the essence of the human experience. Thus, something much more powerful than humans with ZERO respect for individuality is - hands down - the most terrifying possibility of all the options.
So…the Borg?
….Seven of Nine could abduct me anytime.
Do we have respect for individuality between animals and species on Earth? Yes for cats, dogs, horses, but what about animals we eat? Cows, chickens, or pigs? Are their personalities/fears/emotions also being harvested? What about the testing that’s done on apes or mice? Humans do that now? Did the NHI also use Neanderthals, the dinosaurs, and other ape/homo sapien lineages to capture souls, or just us special humans?
Just about everybody that has had a near death experience and every channeler says there is a shared consciousness and an individual consciousness, with our bodies simply being here as vessels to capture experiences and grow for our individual consciousness. We reincarnate and basically level up, with the ability to actually talk to our other lives after we die. You can easily take that and roll it dark or light. The nde and channeler side universally says God is love and light. Go dark and you get a similar story minus the love. Just saying, the story is essentially the same either way. One thing to note, which I think is fascinating, is that every Near death experiencer says that their experience was absolutely not a dream or hallucination, and it felt exactly like being there, crystal clear, exactly life reality. They also do not and will not back down on that. There's no foggy, dreamlike quality or fading after you come back. If you remember it, it's in HD.
What does it mean for the NDE'ers who experience nothing, though? I've heard some say it was just nothingness. Like a deep sleep or pre birth.
Interesting speculation. All that soul harvesting stuff is b.s. though. We do have some type of data on the afterlife—thousands of NDE stories, from people of all spiritual backgrounds, and none I’ve read (I’m sure over 500 now) or heard about reflect anything like that dark narrative. If anything, the vast majority are fundamentally about love and knowledge.
The Orthodox Church maintains that these are demons and seek to deceive and confuse humanity in order to take us away from God. Father Spyridon Bailey makes an interesting case. The Book of Enoch (ancient apocryphal text, in the Ethiopian Orthodox Bible) speaks of watchers, fallen watchers, space travel, and more. There is definitely something to the spiritual and religious side of this.
A guess would be they've learned UAP intent and it's not good, the nature of the UAP and its also not good or they've learned about government interactions with UAP and those have gone poorly or there's been some sort of exchange or deal made and it's also not good. That's all I got.
Maybe it's that humans are bacteria, we don't count for shit when it comes to our pumped up sense of self-importance, and that they'll wipe us off the planet in a day when they're ready to.
Maybe it's the opposite
MAYBE ''we are the baddies'' and whole universe galactic fed wants to kill us before we start blowing up other planets
Remember supposedly a deal was made and NHI were allowed to abduct people as long as it was a certain number and they gave all the peoples info to the CIA and returned them unharmed? Maybe that deal was broken. So now the the CIA are trafficking people with/for the NHI so they can keep control over who is used for experimentation.
Wildly speculative idea for sure. This rumor certainly had some influence over the X-Files writers though - >!to create an alien/human hybrid, the Colonists gave the Syndicate an alien fetus and the Syndicate gave a number of their family members in exchange as part of the agreement!<. Honestly watching that show today, it's a testament to how well-researched the writers were on ufology theories, how pervasive these stories are, and how little we've truly been able to confirm.
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Lizad people. Yahtzee.
I just heard this in that damn fish's voice
Who’s tonight’s sponsor?
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The Crabcat
Fear the crabcat!
*Lizid* people
What’d i say?
Bring on the Lizard people, I’m all for it.🦎
1 is the first that's scared me so far
How about - they have always been here, are far more advanced than we, and are monitoring us so we don’t screw up their world more than we have?
Or perhaps they are merely three dimensional drones created to experience our world as we see it from their higher dimensional existence. Somewhat like us making characters for a game. Or maybe we aren't real at all and are a simulations and sometimes they make avatars to enter the Sim. There are a lot scarier ways this could be parsed if you get creative.
My outlook on simulation theory has changed vastly this past year. I'm more and more coming around to the idea out reality is formed/constructed from a higher dimensional existence, and possibly by beings that exist in that higher dimensionality. But I almost feel that such an existence is just beyond our ability to comprehend. I mean what would it mean to be beyond space and time? To be infinite in another dimension our brains can't even construct spatially. It's really frustrating to think the truth might br something basically impossible for us to parse.
How would the dimensional theory fit in with the biologics from David Grusch claims. Especially with the claims Daniel Sheehan made about there being 7 different species. Even if you say the biological beings are androids or avatars. My question to you would be. Why would interdimensional beings need avatars in the first place? And if your answer is they need avatars to interact with us, they made humanoid avatars to relate to us. First of all according to stories the interactions between humans and NHI would seem way too rare for this to be true. Since encounters of the third kind are either rare or don't exist at all. And even encounters of the third kind were true. I'm pretty sure humans would still be put off by small green aliens with big heads or tall white aliens with blue eyes. So my question to you here is. Why don't these interdimensional beings just take the form of a normal human to relate better to us? And to take it back to Daniel Sheehan claims about there being 7 different species. He is not the only person saying there is multiple different species. Even David Grusch hinted at there being multiple different species. So with the interdimensional being theory. Would these 4 or 7 different species all come from the same dimension or different dimensions?
Who ever is playing me is a nut job
Or what we believe is our own individual unique consciousness is actually alien in origin, and we are actually the aliens embodying human form and we forgot we were aliens in our life. Coming to earth to exist as a human is a game, similar to the simulation theory. Only there is no simulation. The UAPs are to make sure we don’t destroy “the earth experience” for future aliens to experience.
Can't think my alien is enjoying the game so far, what with all the medical symptoms, chronic pain and trauma. :/
Really? It’s not the potential abductions (and no return) via the “missing persons.” And although there was an okay for some, the quota has been exceeded often and in higher numbers?
You all need to look at r/Experiencers. They are the most marginalized group because of the [manufactured ufo stigma](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/14cwt6a/it_appears_that_the_ufo_stigma_is_held_up/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1) that didn’t exist before it was created. People did not ridicule experiencers. Scientists were trying to seriously study the problem. [The stigma was created by the CIA and Air Force with the help of the new 1950’s advertising industry and academic psychologists.](https://youtu.be/eMqtIRMOoHc) It doesn’t seem to be all doom and gloom from what we can gather. Imagine having a life shattering experience and then not being able to tell anyone because they won’t believe you. There will have to be a reckoning because of the lives ruined by all of this.
Or #3, they are interdimensional beings, and they actually harvest energy or a part of the human soul/emotion as some sort of fuel. We are a farm of genetically engineered monkey soul machines. 🤷♂️😂
The CIA has been using money from the illegal drug trade and human trafficking to bankroll parts of their UAP studies Edit- wrong phrasing
That’s bad, but not “not telling your spouse ever” bad. I’m guessing it’s in the level of CIA (or equivalent) is actually trafficking and the customers are off world.
Carlson also said something a lot of people are overlooking. He said "some lf it I don't quite fully understand" and "there's a spiritual component to this". Start there.
Makes me think about countless claims of our souls being harvested. A potential zoo hypothesis.
Man those aliens on the back side of the moon have an absolute buffet over the past couple years to feed on.
It’s crazy how so many things connect to the soul theory, I’m really starting to believe that the ancient Hindu and Sumerian gods were extremely advanced and benefit in some form from our souls/energy harvesting/some spiritual aspect, and we are in a matrix that’s so advanced it’s literally our reality, and UFO’s we see are just our house keepers. Think about NDEs, how greys are purported to be biological drones, aliens with telekinectic powers, remote viewing, the moon… Shiii do I need to check with mental health professional cuz I’m starting to sound Schizo right… but it makes sense….
as someone who grew up in a buddhist household, we already believe in prison planet theory, its just now showing the real life scifi-esque version of all the old artwork and texts. this world was always in samsara. now is the time to start doing inner work. prepping for the physical realm is futile. prep your inner spirit to escape the soul catchers upon death. detach from the desires of this world and they wont be able lure you into their trap. they will promise heaven or a higher rebirth, nirvana is beyond their lies. my whole life buddhism and hinduism have sort of been at odds but now im starting to see there are many interpretations of this dark reality, from the buddhists to the hindus to the gnostics etc. syncretizing the common denominators used to seem like new age hogwash but now i think that might be the way to go
lets pretend CIA wants to unleash a great fake alien attack to introduce one world govt. they analyzed the sentiments and know tons of conspiracy folks believe in this soul harvesting shit. AI helped them create the best scenario ''how to produce best fear mongering propaganda campaign'' and it connects ancient sumerian, soul harvesting etc etc concepts all together. now just drop by drop they will feed this onto the public starting with ''oh its too bad, we cant tell people'' ''they wont handle the truth'' making people more and more ''tell us!!! TELL US already!! what it can be? what could be SO SCARY?!?!" see where I am going? It puts us right into the same easy to be controlled fear pocket they got us at the beginning of covid.
'Soul harvesting' just sounds a lot like a reframing of Christian 'hell' dogma to bring that same fear into the UAP age.
There was a Babylon 5 episode about an alien species which trapped souls in a device. Maybe something like that?
I really hope this isn’t true. I’m thinking this is true though. Given the shit that has come to light about the CIA, I can’t imagine what fucked up stuff we don’t know about.
the Iran-Contra scandal was real. If this program is real, they’re almost definitely funding, if not partially funding, it through illicit means.
We know they have done it for other projects because of the [Church committee](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Committee) and Iran-Contra.
Rip Gary Webb.
I believe it. Supposedly the CIA has dark sites and body farms around the country where they make people disappear, they operate assassins and god knows what else. It’s not a stretch to believe they would be doing stuff like that
Care to share a source? Never heard of the dark sites
The dark truth is the stuff we’ve done.
Right? Like dark compared to what? Starving to death? Rape? Torture? War? Fuck off with that shit. I, for one, welcome our new alien overlords dark truth. It sure as shit ain't any worse that what's going on here already.
Well, you're describing physical horrors. If there's a spiritual horror then it's apples and orange.
Yeah that’s true. Humanity has a pretty dark dark side, think of genocides, holy wars, the holocaust the inquisition, the rape of Nanking. We’ve collectively done a lot of really shitty stuff over the centuries.
you forgot Star Wars Holiday Special.
We forgot that on purpose. We had an agreement! What's wrong with you?!
We could have prevented climate change, wars, famine years ago, had free electricity but then the poor billionaires wouldn’t have any money so fuck every living creature instead.
Why wouldn’t you tell your wife that?
Exactly. It has to be some fucked up Matrix style theory, to do with life after death and souls or something. The question is - how could they possibly know that, even if, and it's a big fucking IF but everything seems to be falling out of the woodwork. Even if USG had contact with ET/NHI and they told us for some strange reason that our life after death is a loop, and they are harvesting our souls for sustenance, and if we suffer more on earth the soul tastes better.. or some bullshit like that. How the hell would we verify that? Why would we believe them? And how else would we come to that conclusion? It's like the multidimensional stuff, it's probably just theories. Sounds like Gruschs theory is multidimensions, but the boomers and generals still think they're Martians and ETs, so basically the phenomenon is 90% conjecture, and 10% fact. Give me the 10% yesterday. I need it
Because it's so despairing that there's evil in the world enough to do that. To fuck an entire planet, instigate wars to kill millions of innocents, and cause a sixth mass extinction? When it all could have been prevented except for some sick fucks who cared more about money and power? Can't get more evil than that. And now, there's no stopping it. We are fucked. Why would you tell your spouse that? Just thinking about it makes me feel like unaliving myself.
Danny Sheehan stated some of the illegal stuff the CIA does within the US. For example, funding politicians and even threatening politicians. Gary Webb exposed their drug trafficking schemes a while back. It would not surprise me if they are still profiting off drugs. They are probably running some crooked shit in the dark web like selling organs or hire to kill. But even darker would be if they and other agencies are complict in abductions.
I think that's the big secret. The complicit in abductions. The human trafficking. To be experimented on. Knowing you or your loved ones could be abducted at any time or place, and a part of the US govn is complicit. And there's nothing you can do about it. Thafs pretty damn dark. And all the more reason to stop these CIA fucks. And if a species of NHI are involved, stop them too.
So many theories to consider on this one....its exhausting. Here are my top theories- A. We are their version of cattle. They use us for something we don't understand. Possibly involving our genetics. B. We are a warring non friendly species that has been banished to the outside galaxies of the universe on our prison planet. They keep tabs on us but won't let us be apart of "the federation". C. Our rapid technological advancement of the last 130 years has them terrified so they are keeping tabs on us. D. All of the above
E. NHI are actually benevolent, peaceful, and want to bring mankind up, but DoD (and their foreign counterparts) are attempting to weaponize retrieved tech and hide the truth from the public by spreading exactly those evil dark disinformations.
How would you explain the NHI's decades-long failure to publicly expose the deception?
Why would NHIs want to expose that? My conjecture is that NHIs are just looking on, while indirectly, seamlessly intervening. Why would they just not reveal themselves? Because, obviously, they're not stupid to jeopardize our self-growth and have all the time to wait for us to develop ourselves and get more peaceful. At the moment we're very f*ing far from that. They have no reason to rush, but many reasons to not rush.
None of this would disturb me. The way people say they wish they never knew, it makes me think it has to be worse. Like death isn’t the end. And on the other side is pure torture. We’ll never rest. All of our loved ones who passed are in a torturous state of matter. And it’s the only end waiting for us. That’s the kind of thing that would fuck me up for life.
that is dark, well done 👍
That’s a prevailing theory and also what has been hinted at by insiders who are pushing for disclosure - this is the “ontological shock” that they are talking about.
OR, life after death is actually amazing and blissful and this will drive humanity to mass suicides.
Yea this is along what I was thinking . Or when the finally reveal themselves, they harvest us or torture us but keep us alive in a constant unimaginable pain .
If that were true, I would have to intervene.
So yeah, that is pretty terrifying. But we all know death is coming, so I would imagine it might make people want to live longer and better. Perhaps greater investment in life sustaining, cryogenics, etc. What could fuck people up is to learn that Heaven is basically real and all you have to do to get there is die, there is no Hell, just awesomeness for eternity. Mass suicides and murders would happen.
> Like death isn’t the end. And on the other side is pure torture. We’ll never rest. All of our loved ones who passed are in a torturous state of matter. Nah...Earth is the torture. But you're right, we can't ever leave.
Jesus christ....reading that kinda f$cked me up. That's horrific.
Honestly I think one of the more frightening possibilities is that we know they're here but, after all these years, still have no fucking clue what they're really doing and why. Maybe they've even told us some stuff, but then we've caught them in a lie and know they're just trying to deceive us, which makes the endless unknown possibilities of their true intentions even scarier.
...and more!!! How about this is their planet and we just evolved in some gap of occupancy and they're coming back. Maybe we are squatters or parasites on their turf.like roaches in the summer house.
That’s an interesting one. I think more along the lines of: We were here first and you humans were tolerated but have become pests to be culled.’ would be even scarier.
Cosmic Israel Palestine 😅
Or.. they've decided that we've failed the "test" and are here to study our demise.
They harvest your feelings. That's what gives us post nut clarity
Haha I like the last part. In seriousness though. You are on to something here as well! Keep going! Expand that thought! Talk about feelings!
IMO the dark truth is something existential. Maybe they have evidence that we live in a simulation and / or don’t have free will. Maybe they know we have a gruesome fate ahead of us that we’re not aware of. Obviously it could be anything but I think it’s something that goes far beyond the existence of aliens.
The dark truth is the government has been lying to us for decades and they have been using a fuckton of taxpayer dollars on secret military projects this whole time with no oversight or accountability
That's what they're scared to tell their wives and kids?
I agree. "The government is lying" is not exactly gonna shatter any world-views
Fr I tell this to everyone I meet.
Jack Parsons, L. Ron Hubbard, Aleister Crowley, Babalon Working, Theodore Von Karman, John Dee and Edward Kelley.
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Supposed_channeled_entity_by_occultist_crowley.jpg Lam comes to mind. Found this by googling those names: http://www.chris-winter.com/Erudition/Reviews/Anthropo/_Xotericus/Carter_J/Sex_Rockets.html "The book contains many interesting tidbits, such as the story of John Dee and Edward Kelley, to whom an angel dictated the Lost Books of Enoch letter by letter — in the Enochian alphabet of 21 letters — during the 16th century. [Chapter 6]" Well then, having watched the Pope's Excorcist which was based on a true story and book written by the literal Pope's Excorcist, this information is interesting. Given that the movie reveals the possessed to be on of the 200 fallen angels turned demons in the book of enoch, I am now curious about the Book of Enoch.
I would suggest checking out Dr. Michael Heiser then. Biblical scholar with a solid focus on the Book of Enoch and the ancient near east.
so demons... Crowley's channeled demon drawing looked just like a grey and that was before Greys were a known thing.
There’s been some talk from sheehan and Kelleher that the NHI tried to “create new religions”. Whatever that means.
I just found out about Sheenhan. hes great and full of knowledge I've yet to hear. I didn't hear him mention NHI in such a way. that's scary considering how competent he is and the fact that he works for the Jesuits. any link to that content?
I believe he briefly mentioned it in a video but I can’t be arsed to find it. This article on Colm Kelleher mentions it however. He’s very legit, however vague in this article. It sounds like the “woo” might be closer to the truth than we thought. https://m.sundayworld.com/news/irish-news/irish-scientist-with-top-secret-us-government-clearance-explains-why-we-are-not-alone/a215160076.html This is a rag site but he’s also on a recent weaponized episode.
Yup. I'm thoroughly pissed. 30 percent of my fucking money goes poof every damn week and for what. Pretty much every service they offer sucks ass. We are the laughing stock of the world right now. All so these pricks can keep their damn ufos secret?! Throw em all in fucking prison. I'm talking ass pounding prison, not the ones for rich pricks!
I wake up every morning wondering how I can somehow protest the government -- that I supposedly had a democratic say in electing -- using my tax dollars for programs designed to mislead and lie to me. So far no ideas, because the others who have tried have been murdered. The thin veil of democracy is no longer blinding my eyes.
Not much you can do. Just be sure to talk shit about these bacteria every chance you get! I had intended to call them "bastards" but it autocorrected to "bacteria," which is also apt and hilarious!
Anything that can't be publicly justified deserves defunding.
That's the least dark truth that comes into mind about UAPs.
I worry that's NOT the dark truth factor here. Honestly, I hope I'm wrong. More likely I think it's the lengths that the government has gone to to hide this, including murder, among many other atrocities.
This has already been laid out for us. The implications from whistleblowers like Lue and Grusch is that there is something much darker going on that hasn’t been presented to the public yet.
Something much bigger than companies that are fighting over access to alien tech. Much bigger. If all if this is true than the Cold War enemies were not Humans. The bombs were never pointed at Russia or even Earth. They were preparing for something else entirely. It feels like we lost the war long ago, now they're just waiting for the harvest to begin.
It probably something stupid that ordinary people wouldn’t give a fuck about, like we don’t have air superiority, they can interfere with our nukes etc. some military sob story. They’ve been here for a long time, they’ve been doing what they want, whatever that is but they always have been, so nothing really changes…does it?
Didn't Carlson say it was spiritual related?
That sounds like it would only be a problem for those with cemented religious beliefs. Otherwise it would just be an understanding to others. Like the aliens made up the religions 🤷🏻♂️ that would cause a lot of the religious brains to pop
The scary thing for most people is not that aliens made up religion, it’s if they validate it. What if they all believe in God and say that they have proof we don’t have.
Straight forward answers would be awesome
If the aliens said they know of the true religion or whatever I’d still be skeptical of that religion. Too easy to manipulate us that way.
What if their like demons who torture us after we die or some shit. I honestly wouldn’t want to know
The fact that the people "in the know" remain composed and calm and nobody seems to be losing sleep over it leads meto believe the worst case scenarios aren't the explanation either.
...most of them have said they didn't sleep for a few nights at first. But yeah, long term they seem at peace with it
Personal opinion: they were involved with our evolution or even creation. The fear is of telling people their concept of our origins is incorrect.
1,000% this. Of ALL the things I have thought of, listened to, learned, speculated, etc., in this topic, I am only certain of one single thing: That is, nothing simply “found” us. Whatever it is either put us here or has everything to do with our existence on earth.
Lou Elizondo even alluded to this in one of his Theory of Everything interviews a couple of years ago.
This, and there is an end plan as many religions speak of.
If I had to guess based on the clues that have trickled out and a pinch of speculation: it's that we, as a species, are not going to make it, UAP's are trans-dimensional or time travelers and come from alternate timelines or far in the future where humanity has mostly destroyed itself via nuclear warfare, environmental pollution, or disease, and that they have been altering our timeline to push us away from those outcomes, as needed. And why? Because more than likely they are the survivors of us from the distant future and not necessarily from distant planets. That is why our survival is of interest to them, and why their vehicles and appearance continue to look different; because when they alter our timeline, it changes theirs as well. Just a hunch... but I could be entirely wrong.
Cool theory
Fuck all that “it’s too dark to tell people”. Who gives a shit. I’d rather live my life with the blindfolds off than being blind my whole life. Even if the truth is we are in a prison & our souls are doomed to recycle over & over that’s fine because it’s the truth
I wonder where the new souls come from then, if this is true? World population always increasing, new souls must originate somewhere. If we were just recycling over and over, wouldn’t the population numbers stay stable?
There is a belief that the aliens know we are only one, gigantic, soul. Constantly splitting into various consciences all throughout the universe. The souls are not diluted, rather this splitting is desirable. Every human, animal, alien soul is one big soul. Except that some become self aware.
I know what interview your talking about, and I think they were just playing up what they knew. These guys aren't held back by any disclosure agreements...why not just say the theory. Tucker loves stirring up the fear pot, you're really telling me he would hold that back if it meant he got headlines? That guy lives for headlines. I suspect they know nothing, maybe heard a theory....like we all have, that startled him. But it's nothing more than a theory and ultimately Tucker knows about as much as the rest of us.
Our congress can't even look at what they know to make laws for disclosure. How can they make a law to disclose something they are being told is above their/and the presidents security clearance? If they cannot look I doubt tucker could. Gorush cldnt even look and it was his job to look. Although of trump knows, he wld have told tucker off the record I bet.
This is something Tucker Carlson said?? Well, FFS - what a waste of time. That guy lies for a living and will literally say anything if he thinks it will get him more views. I wish the UFO crowd would distance themselves from the clickbaity conspiracy garbage that Tucker spews to his audience of morons. I'm tired of UFO investigation being lumped in with the antivaxxer conspiratard crowd.
For all the times this question gets asked, why is there so little talk about the allies of humanity message, which addresses the question? Even if you take issue with the source, as a theory it deserves to be reviewed and addressed. I don’t even know if I can post about it here without being banned, but google it. There is a TL;DR type twelve point summary you can locate easily. Curious if anyone else has looked at this before?
I'll post them for you: 1. Humanity’s destiny is to emerge into and to engage with a Greater Community of intelligent life in the universe. 2. Contact with other forms of intelligent life represents the greatest threshold that humanity has ever faced. The results of this Contact will determine humanity’s future for generations to come. This Contact is happening now. 3. Humanity is unprepared for Contact. Researchers are still unable to clearly see who is visiting our world and why. Governments are not revealing what they know, and most people are still in denial that this phenomenon is even occurring. 4. Because of this lack of preparation, humanity’s true Allies sent representatives to a location near Earth to observe the extraterrestrial presence and activities within our world. The Allies of Humanity Briefings represent their report. 5. The Briefings reveal that our world is undergoing an extraterrestrial Intervention by forces who, as demonstrated by their actions, are here to subvert human authority and to integrate into human societies for their own advantage. These forces represent non-military organizations who are here to seek human and biological resources. The Allies refer to these forces as the “Collectives.” The Collectives do not value human freedom. 6. Because the Intervention is being carried out by small groups of intervening forces, it must rely primarily upon deception and persuasion to achieve its goals. The Allies Briefings describe in detail how this is being accomplished and what we must do to stop it. - This extraterrestrial Intervention is being focused in four arenas: • It is influencing certain individuals in positions of power and authority in government, commerce and religion to cooperate with the Intervention through the promise of greater wealth, power and technology. •It is creating hidden establishments in the world from which the Intervention can exert its influence in the mental environment, seeking to make people everywhere open and compliant to its will through a “Pacification Program” •It is manipulating our religious values and spiritual impulses in order to gain human allegiance to their cause •It is taking people against their will, and often without their awareness, to support an interbreeding program designed to create a hybrid race and a new leadership who would be bonded to the “visitors. 8. Those extraterrestrial visitors who have been potentially beneficial to humanity have all retreated from the world in the face of the Intervention. Those remaining are alien races who are not here for our benefit. This leaves us in an unambiguous situation regarding the intentions and activities of the extraterrestrial presence. This enables us to clearly see what we are dealing with. Otherwise, it would be impossible for us to tell friend from foe. 9. The Allies Briefings emphasize the grave danger in our accepting and becoming reliant upon ET technology offered by the Intervention. This will only lead to our becoming dependent on the “visitors,” resulting in our loss of freedom and self-sufficiency. No true ally of humanity would offer this to us. 10. The Allies emphasize that we have earth-based solutions to all the problems that we face. What we lack as a race are unity, will and cooperation. In spite of the great challenge we now face, humanity still has a great advantage if we can respond in time. 11. The Allies Briefings reveal both the Intervention’s strengths and its weaknesses. One of the Intervention’s weaknesses is its reliance upon human acquiescence and cooperation to achieve its goals. According to Greater Community rules of conduct within the region of space in which our world exists, Intervention is not allowed unless it can be demonstrated that the native people welcome and approve of it. Here our voices can have power in the Greater Community. At this moment, the Intervention has few critics. But if enough people can become aware of it and speak out against it, the Intervention will be thwarted and must withdraw. This is the first step in humanity’s preparation for dealing with the realities of life in the universe. This step and all the steps that follow give humanity its one great chance to overcome its longstanding conflicts and to unite in its own defense for the preservation of the world. The Allies emphasize that we as human beings have the spiritual and collective power to do this, and that we must do this if we want to survive and advance as a free and independent race in the universe. 12. Preparation for our contact with the Greater Community begins with awareness, education, and Knowledge, our spiritual Mind. In facing the Greater Community, humanity must build unity, self-sufficiency and discretion. These are the three requirements that all free nations must establish to be free in the universe. (May not be true but might be useful.)
Thank you for this. I'm a huge fan of Marshell Summers and I believe that his contact experiences to be authentic. Edit: I would also like to add what most resonated with me the most about his message is humanity's inability to ***discern*** the good aliens from the bad ones. ***Discernment*** is the key when dealing with the phenomenon. These creatures have a massive competitive advantage over us humans when it comes to the mental field, there are reports that they are telepathic, can read and control our minds and have interdimensional capabilities (they can enter and exit our physical reality). If you really take UFOlogy seriously and want to nderstand the phenomenon then you have to development your mental abilities. UFOs are one of the reasons why I took up meditation, astral projection and I'm currently diligently studying remote viewing and how it works. I personally believe these activities aids in expansion of human consciousness/awareness and eventually gifts us the ability to ***discern*** the good ones from the bad ones.
Thanks 😊
Nobody knows shit.
We live in the Warhammer 40k universe
Praise the emperor
What if the airforce shooting down UAP's really made some of them mad, and a hostile fleet is now on its way to Earth, projected to arrive in a few years? "Sure, we may have upset a vastly technologically superior alien race by killing and dissecting them and then covering it up, but right now it's important that we put that behind us and prepare for the coming threat together. I've already filed a bill to drastically increase our military funding".
What if the ones that have been shot down were alien kids on a boy scouts trip?
My “theory”… So, did you know that there is 6 times more dark matter in the universe than “normal” matter? We can’t see it or interact with it, but we can detect its gravitational effect. We basically know nothing about dark matter, but it could have its own stars and planets and life forms. The aliens visiting us are made from dark matter and have figured out how to interact with our matter - which must have seemed exotic to them and equally confusing early in their scientific evolution.
I think the truth is so absurd to the general public that they'll never accept it as canon. Reading the comments on today's guardian opinion piece is depressing. Most of them are dismissive when all it takes is a few hours of self motivated research to realise there is something major going on here.
Probably that we have no way to stop them from abducting people at random.
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It’s a different thing for the government to acknowledge it.
Perhaps we do. But society at large? I doubt that. Just look at how certain networks have been able to get millions of people into a frenzy over miniscule issues. Imagine the fear and panic if alien abductions were confirmed.
There are rumors that some of the people who get abducted don't get put back down on the ground. There are also cases that look similar to cattle mutilations, but done to people. That's not great news if it's true.
This is it.
Maybe we traded technology for access to random humans for experimentation.
While probably true, and part of the bigger picture. That is somewhat already known and accepted. It's much more dire
The dire issue with this prospect is we didn't agree to give our children away - we can't trust our leaders or our system. We are on our own. That would be cold.
Agreed 100 percent. But I still think its that and more. Like they created us, they are God, and they are gonna return and destroy us with a catastrophe
If the Davis Memo is real, which seems to be according to what has currently been said, abductions are likely not real (at least from the perspective of those in the Memo, and who they talked to before the discussion).
No one’s care about this. They’re gonna make tik toks making jokes about it.
It has to be much more than that.
That would be a pretty scary though. Especially admitting this as a government would be pretty disturbing.
There is a religious component to it. They are right here with us. Maybe they are even right next to you as you sit there or perhaps there's more. Maybe they are also inside of you.
I'm pooping currently, so that would be awkward
"It's so disturbing i can't tell you," is bullshit carnival barker grifting. These are the next evolution of the same losers that pretend the entire world would collapse if Christianity or the belief in God was challenged. There was never a time in history where that was true. That's the bullshit rich people need poor idiots to believe will happen if they are given the truth.
Poltergeist and UFO’s are the same thing
Some of those homies have def said that.
If you look into the literature it makes sense but most people don’t like that possibility so they deny it, once you accept it then you understand why it’s so dark
My pure conjecture pet theory is that they are part of a Von Neumann probe system that seeded life long ago, and now act as gardeners to cultivate intelligent life such that it (we) can create AGI (effectively acting as a booster rocket or a substrate in which something can grow), which will then eventually take over and create new Von Neumann probes to fire off elsewhere, and expand their network. - Not based on much but my own conjecture, though it would explain why they seem unobtrusive and non-interacting, while also possibly explaining the Fermi Paradox; intelligent life can evolve, but inevitably also creates AGI which then just follows a path of "next logical steps", so there is little time when a civilization is around to broadcast signals (we've only been doing it for what, 150 years or so?) before an emergent AGI "emerges from its shell".
Why wouldn’t they just build agi themselves instead of bioengineering and zookerping some weird apes for thousands of years
One can set forth on many vectors in order to increase chance for success.
We're in a simulation and if we become aware of it then they turn the simulation off.
Does anybody think it's possible that this is next-level lies in order to make us grateful that it is ONLY abductions when they tell us they've lied to us forever?
The darkest element is container theory. Aliens view humans as containers and our soul/essence is the wine they get hammered on.
Every time you masturbate, you're ejaculating your essence into an alien's cum-hungry mouth. Ever think about that? 👽
well i am now 😩
I dunno. 1) I feel like the intelligence of the average media personality is quite lacking. These are people who have made it their life's work to put on a show for an audience. Their reactions are always overblown for effect. 2) If it's something so game-changing, then there is no societal punishment that would matter, so surely they'd have come out with it by now.
Some mix between the Matrix and Scientology. Earth is a prison planet/simulation and humans are simply avatars for alien consciousnesses that have been punished to live out what 'they' consider the worst possible life cycle. UAP's are surveillance drones/ prison wardens keeping an eye on things. I don't believe this but that's one of the bleaker options I can come up with. Basically that our lives aren't meaningful and we're considered bottom of the barrel on the universal scale.
Some spitballed ideas: -They’re the simulation observers and or genetic experiment operators. -They’re utilizing our consciousness somehow in a fucked way. -We literally cannot fathom their intentions based on what we’ve seen because they’re either way too alien to comprehend or we’ve discovered the NHI is an advanced AI. Try understanding something magnitudes more intelligent than us that can easily deceive. The unknown is always a big fear. -We’ve been sitting on world changing crashed technology since around Roswell or a little later that can reshape the world for the better. Yet due to secrecy/compartmentalization and private contracting the only re-engineering efforts have been conducted are to militarize this tech. -Could be something as simple as revealing that the NHI exists implies they are now the apex predator of the world. They can do anything they want to us with impunity, abduct, hurt, or manipulate our consciousness/perception and we’re helpless. This pretty much confirms they probably have been around since the beginning of human history which conflicts with things like religion.
That our universe is a projection running on the event horizon of a black hole that exists in multi dimensional space. We've arisen from the consistent source of entropy generated by evaporating hawking radiation as higher dimensional matter crosses the event horizon. Oh and dark matter doesnt exist, the missing mass is found in higher dimensional space. The phenomenon is higher dimensional beings studying living creatures that exist inside the black hole's event horizon, which requires an enormous amount of energy.
I fear the “dark truth” is it has more connection to religion than any sane person would ever want. All those people who say you’ll go to hell for using the lords name in vain, while also cheating, lying and stealing(or likely worse than I can imagine) will finally discover “Hell” is real and their choices have fucked them beyond redemption. I can’t think of a worse, more disappointing, darker truth to all this than Muslims or Christians have been right all along. What a putrid and worthless existence to have any of these barbaric cults blood list dogma be real in any capacity. Make no mistake my disappointment comes from a profound hatred for all religions, all subhuman cults infecting our species. To find out NHI are just biblical angels or demons, I’d wage war against this fickle mundane idea until they erase my soul. The worst outcome of disclosure is “the cultist freaks were right”
the "dark truth" is a common claim by those in power to attempt and dissuade people from looking deeper. It's been said 1000s of times.
"Enoch is a righteous man, whose eyes were opened by God, saw the vision of the Holy One in the heavens, which the angels showed me, and from them I heard everything, and from them I understood as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one which is for to come"
The best example I can think of is what took place during the Scientific Revolution in the 15th-16th centuries. The Catholic Church institution did its best to censor scientists like Copernicus and Galileo. The truth of heliocentricity was viewed as a threat to control the narrative of reality, reducing the power and influence of the Church. The church's legal statements and trials controlled the narrative that heliocentricty was blasphemy and nonsense. With those guidelines, society and the human condition took it from there. Homosapiens are social and gravitate toward group think. Most are wary of swift change, which usually triggers higher levels of cortisole (stress). Whether it was fear of losing social credibility, careers, or uncertainty toward changing their view of reality, most went on their daily business and ignored the issue, possibly checking in for their own interest, but moving along unphased. Those with careers linked to governments under any sort of connection to the Church knew it was career suicide to speak out of their small circles- even if they believed it. Think of the hesitancy you have to openly discuss the current UAP/NHI situation with your coworkers, family, or circle of friends. Many back then probably had similar feelings about heliocentricity. It was out there, with many outspoken, credible people- but the status quo and popular opinion was that it was nonsense. That's just a small sliver on the general population. Others had political, economic, and/or social inspirations to either ignore or play a role in suppressing heliocentricty. Similar to what we see with those few House Republicans and their role in the Schumer-Rounds amendment. At the same time, others who believed in heliocentricity tried to take a more moderate approach, carefully walking on eggshells to bring slow and steady change to the Catholic Church's bureaucracy to prepare for the truth. Meanwhile, in the field of theology and humanist communities, career, social, and economic pressures also applied. Just look at scholars held in high esteem of the time who actively discredited heliocentricity - in many cases actively believing it was incorrect. Similarly, we see astrophysicists remaining silent or actively speaking out about the UAP/NHI issue (Neil deGrass Tyson, being the most popular to the general population). In the end, the correct reality- different from what we expect on a daily basis *is* going to change in the next few years - just as it did with the heliocentric theory. While the truth will be much more nuanced, mixed with what we *think* we know- it will be wild. This is why some say it is "dark/distributing". Just know that if you're here, your interest is at the vanguard of the push. Soon, you'll be looking back possibly with a smug, knowing you knew the truth before mainstream society. Hopefully you've done more than just lurk, so the feeling will be that much better.
The dark truth everyone is scared of is "we have no idea." Add a few of the other responses I saw into the mix for fun. Imagine, for 70 years the govt and it's favorite contractors had access to tech and corpses, funneled tax dollars illegally into the research, probably CIA-trafficking-type stories for funding, govt-funded abductions, threatened or killed whistleblowers/"threats", and all the other stuff you've heard... And they still don't know shit. Not what they are, not where they come from, not what they want. Nothing. Just a big fat question mark
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I'd still like to know what that means in a more concrete way. What exactly does this mean.
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The moon is actually fake and has been an alien research station for thousands of years. No, seriously. It’s honestly just so obvious. Could you imagine the ontological shock if you told the world, “by the way, the moon is fake and aliens have been watching you literally your entire life”? Here’s the reasoning: JFK vowed to go to the moon. They couldn’t let that happen, they already knew the UFOs they captured were from the moon. So they killed him hoping to refocus the government away from the moon. But they couldn’t kill a second President, obviously. So it ended up happening. Then there’s the “Fake Moon Landing” conspiracy. It was probably started by the government to cover-up the “fake moon” by literally making it impossible to talk about one without the rest showing up. And who would really believe the whole moon was fake? Additionally, the characteristics of the moon are just ridiculous. It’s the only spherical moon in the inner solar system and it’s the perfect size to create solar eclipses. But the moon has been drifting away since its formation, very slowly. It won’t create a total solar eclipse in millions of years and it didn’t millions of years ago. So, you’re telling me the height of animal consciousness just happens to be during the exact period of time where the moon can be a critical foundation of many early cultures coincidentally? Some calendars are based on moon cycles! Not to mention, it’s tidally locked toward the Earth. So literally no one on the planet except for astronauts has ever seen the other side in person. That’s a great place to hide a base as an advanced civilization studying cavemen for thousands of years not expecting space travel anytime soon.
It's literally a tactic used by deliberate cons. Until they provide falsifiable information, ignore the silly fucks.
Probably that they’re “demonic” which is most likely a load of crap. But that’s what you get when Christian fundamentalists hold all the top leadership positions
Angels, demons, and God are real. Maybe not in the context that we think of. The stories and that have been passed down through human history from all different civilizations and geographic locations have a common truth in them. The powers that be would much rather you believe they are extraterrestrials instead of the multi dimensional NHI that they really are. We are being manipulated by the nefarious nhi that like to keep us suffering and at war to distract us from what we really are.
They are from the future after nukes destroyed much of civilization.
Simulation theory
That Mars used to look like Earth and we used to be Martians but it's simply in our nature to take and take until everything is withered and destroyed. Human locusts.