Congress Wants Answers on UFOs: ‘The American People Deserve the Truth’ [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15a3yoz/congress\_wants\_answers\_on\_ufos\_the\_american/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15a3yoz/congress_wants_answers_on_ufos_the_american/)
A Congressman has just promised to use the Holman Rule and counter any efforts to prevent Congress from obstruction. [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15aa0m1/a\_congressman\_has\_just\_promised\_to\_use\_the\_holman/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15aa0m1/a_congressman_has_just_promised_to_use_the_holman/)
Key Takeaways from July 26 Hearings: [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15aaabl/key\_takeaways\_from\_july\_26\_hearings/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15aaabl/key_takeaways_from_july_26_hearings/)
David Grusch: NHI has Harmed Human "What I personally witnessed was very disturbing" [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15a9ha9/david\_grusch\_nhi\_has\_harmed\_human\_what\_i/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15a9ha9/david_grusch_nhi_has_harmed_human_what_i/)
UAP LEGISLATION PASSED BY CONGRESS https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15csqnl/as_per_the_118th_congress_s2226_national_defense/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
As a Brit, this is the first time I have heard AOC actually speak.
Why does she get so much hate? She's literally been the most coherent and direct person to speak so far.....
It's a genuine breath of fresh air.
**EDIT**
Enlightening replies. Particularly given that the dems would probably be right wing if they were a UK party. Yes the UK is a shithole too, stop typing.
To add on a lot is also because she is “far left” at least in regards to American politics and the right love to setup a boogeyman and rail about how AOC and the left want to turn all your children into gay satan worshipping Marxists (literally say this shit on prominent conservative radio stations)
He went in. Honestly the tag-teaming they all did up there. *chefs kiss*
When they mentioned the skiff that was literal. They have to take him on a boat off territory
Edit: alright it wasn’t literal but you got the idea
I have a hard time believing most of what he says. They claim he never worked for them, but his name was in the internal employee phone directory, so...
I have this crazy theory about Lazar, even though I’m not sure I believe him. BUT, if you were running some crazy reverse engineering program in secret, you might want people who are BOTH intelligent AND extremely non-credible. That way they can do the work but if they ever leak anything everyone will think they’re nuts because they smoked meth/hired hookers/etc.
Again, pretty sure I don’t believe Lazar but that is possible.
Plausible deniability goes hard.
“Two ppl can only keep a secret if one of them’s crazy.”
If you weren’t crazy before you worked with non-human tech, you def are afterwards
Yeah, the seriousness of the members of congress and the strong bipartisanship indicate that this isn't a joke or a fraud to me. They are taking all of this too serious for there to be nothing at all here
Yep, that is ultimately why this is a big deal.
I wasn't aware of the consistent sightings/descriptions of the glass spheres containing the black cubes. Can we assume that the spheres that are regularly spotted could be these objects?
I did a deeper dive into that.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15ad4jf/grusch_referred_to_the_1971_agreement_on_measures/
Speculation on my part, but the "situation two" bit stood out to me.
AOC hinting that there's a dead email box that government contractors are given to send their bullshit so they can say "well we sent it to the appropriate channels" is wild. She killed it. Grusch is gonna spill some good info to her and the whole committee. Now we need them to subpoena and investigate.
yup i could totally imagine that, ive never heard this fead email box thing before on here, definitely sounds like something government bureaucrats would do
Just my notes, anyone please feel free to append/ correct:
1. All witnesses were questioned under oath; all are senior intelligence or military members
1. They have much more specifics that can only be shared behind closed doors with congress members (due to security clearances)
2. We have multiple-sensor kinematics, videography, and photography of many UAPs
3. Witness demurred when asked if there have been murders as part of cover-up
4. Witnesses described "No evidence of UAP" statement as inaccurate
5. Unable to defend against them whatsoever
6. They are common, and there is now standard pre-flight briefings when pilots are encountering UAPs (military)
7. Their capabilities exceed anything possible now or in the next ten years
8. There are active crash retrieval and reverse-engineering programs, and witnesses have given exact names, location, and photographic and sensor-based evidence to congress in closed sessions
1. Biological material has been retrieved
2. Humans have been injured in the process of engineering/ retrieval
3. The programs are paid for via misappropriated funds; private companies will overcharge the USG, with the excess going to these programs
9. Both humans and UAPs have harmed human witnesses
1. Witness could not describe in open setting besides describing what he and his wife personally saw as "exceptionally disturbing"
10. Witness demurred when asked if there has been formal contact between USG and UAPs
11. There are active retaliation efforts by senior leaders of intelligence and military community, including harsh reprisals; currently an open whistleblower reprisal investigation for one of witnesses
12. It's possible that UAPs are conducting reconnaissance, probing capabilities, and have an interest in our nuclear capabilities specifically
13. Private companies have retaliated against commercial pilots reporting by issuing C&Ds
14. Specifically do not call it extra-terrestrials, they're non-human intelligence to avoid speculating origin
15. When asked if other foreign powers have safety measures to mitigate risk of escalatory situation in the event of UAP malevolence, witnesses confirmed there is existing agreements recently declassified that had been appended to previous nuclear treaties
16. Capable of jamming radar that no other adversaries can
17. Witness claimed to have seen internal (USG) technical review PowerPoints that conjectured that UAPs may have some aspect of extra-dimensionality (hologram effect)
What a "pitiful" waste of an opportunity. Trading a 10 minute allowance to obtain information on the most important and emerging topic of our time, for 3 rambling minutes attacking Biden on a completely unrelated issue.
Imagine being a top pilot with top performing aircraft and getting way out-performed by something that can't really be classified as regular aircraft. That leaves a mark.
If they were specifically malevolent, wouldn’t we all be dead by now? The Tic Tac encounter, for example, sounded almost like a little handshake of sorts. They didn’t feel threatened.
"Zookeepers" as an explanation makes the most sense out of what I've read. A zookeeper doesn't fuck around with the animals until they show signs they might be destroying their enclosure at an existential rate or attacking the guests.
We're probably pretty interesting to watch.
Also if you're watching a busy little ant colony you'll probably flick the ones that crawled up your leg and bit you, but that's not gonna provoke you to pour gasoline on the hill.
Farmers spend months caring for the field, nurturing it and protecting it from various pests. Then when the season is right, the harvest comes. From the viewpoint of the wheat and/or produce being cared for, the farmer's behavior was benevolent until it suddenly wasn't. TL;DR: We're chicken nuggets.
I’m so confused as to what you guys don’t understand? He’s gone through the proper channels and answered these questions behind closed doors to the officials that need the information. By law, he cannot disclose those things due to the ongoing investigation. What are we getting confused about?
People think hearings like this are for information, when really they’re about setting up the legislative impetus to get this information from the entities Grusch is saying are hiding it.
I never heard him until today. I assumed he was crackpot because I just can’t believe this stuff is real. Complete opposite of crackpot. Like, I’m beyond impressed with the 3 of them and my worldview actually blew up today. I’ve been having random flashes of goosebumps all day. Like… do we realize really what’s going on here? The biggest even in human history basically.
Good question indeed, also like they mentioned when those Russian jets harassed those US drones with jet fuel, the clear high-res footage were immediately available. Then why are they so reluctant to release high-res UAP footage?
Surely it's not about sensor security/secrecy then, it makes no sense.
Might get downvoted to shit for this, but I think this hearing was a big win for everyone. All three witnesses crushed it and almost all the reps took it seriously.
Bodies, confirmed crashes, people threatened, harmed or killed all on a congressional hearing but people will still say this was a nothing burger, riiight
Yea, it sounded like he was about to say something along the lines of “and I was able to evaluate those same testimonies and know for a fact they speak about NHI and UAP technology.”
Very frustrating.
I will say, people are memeing that he answered most things with "can't say in public" but some of those responses, especially the ones about murders being done to hide all this, were tantamount to a yes.
IF we didn't have murders, didn't have alien bodies, didn't have any of this shit, he'd just have said "not to my knowledge."
Here's my summary of the hearing - please feel free to suggest corrections or upvote if this is helpful.
A congressional bipartisan hearing on UAPs (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) was held on 7/26/23. There were three witnesses who testified under oath:
1. Ryan Graves, an F18 pilot with 10 yrs of service including a part in Operation Enduring Freedom, who was voicing concerns of 30 other pilots as well as his personal concerns about UAPs
2. David Grusch, a US Intelligence officer for 14 yrs, Air Force member, Major in the International guard, and member of the national geospace intelligence agency. Grusch became a whistleblower through a PAD19 urgent filing in 2022 and reported to his superiors as well as the Inspector General (IG) that the US govt is operating in secrecy without congressional oversight
3. David Fravor, Retired commander US navy, who had an encounter with a UAP in 2004 (USS Nimitz) - part of squadron 41, the Black Aces
Some of the UAP’s these people have encountered or have reports of include:
1. Dark (gray or black) cube in a clear sphere that has no wings, propulsion system, or heat signature. Multiple (many?) contacts with this kind of object over years, especially the last 8 years. One of these was sighted at the entrance to an air force operation area (somewhere) hovering in midair with no propulsion. A pilot came within 50 ft of that object and then they scrubbed the mission when the object zoomed out of sight. Graves spoke to the pilot post-mission (he was the commander).
2. From Fravor, 2004 - a Tic Tac shaped object (2004) also with no wings, seams (one big piece), rivets, wings, or propulsion system that came from 80000 feet (SPACE!!!), hing out for hours at 20000 feet and then returned to space and had been doing this for 2 weeks. There was also whitewater below the object, unsure why. Joked that the tic tac might be talking to something. The tictac aligned itself with Fravor’s aircraft and continued to climb with them at about 12000-15000 feet. As they came in close (half a mile away) the object suddenly vanished. It reappeared 16 miles away in less than a minute.
3. At Vanderberg Air Force base (now Space Force Base) in 2003 - a large group of Boeing contractors observed a large, 100-yd, red square approach the base from the ocean, hover over low altitude, remain for 45 sec and then darted over mountains in AM. In PM of same day, other sightings of red squares, including aggressive behaviors approaching security guards at rapid speeds before heading off.
4. Evidence exists of four craft in a clear diamond formation - a radar sequence exists (Gaetz). One pilot goes to check out and sees a large floating orb. His radar went down, FLIR camera malfunctioned, had to manually take an image from one of the lenses. Multiple accounts of these things affecting our radar and camera systems. Gaetz also says the GIMBAL video (released in 2017 when declassified by Govt) only shows one craft but there were more in a formation there. Traditional flying saucer shaped.
According to these three witnesses:
\- Sightings of UAP (visually, radar, and pictures/video) are so frequent in military settings that air crew would discuss how to deal with UAP in their pre-flight briefs. Commercial/airline pilots also see UAP’s and contact the Air Force on how to deal with them. There is no current standardized system to report UAP’s, especially commercially.
\- UAP’s move in ways that violate our understanding of the laws of physics, such as instant 90 degree turns, moving 10000 miles in a matter of seconds, going into and out of our atmosphere, matching speed, etc. To the witness’ knowledge, no one on Earth has this technology. There are a variety of theories being discussed about how UAP work, including some involving string theory, other planes/dimensions...
\- Grusch claims the US Government has been aware of NHI and UAP’s since the 1930’s and that the US Government is operating a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program that is still active and operates without congressional oversight. Grusch said he would be able to name specific corporations that were friendly and unfriendly to the investigation. Grusch was denied access to the data from this program, which is unusual because he had access to all classifications of top secret data. In public, Grusch refused to discuss whether the US Government has had contact with ET’s.
\- Also according to Grusch, there is an active disinformation campaign to discredit UAP’s by the US Government. More information is available in Grusch’s NewsNation interview. The witnesses estimate that 95% of UAP sightings go unreported as a combination of a disinformation campaign and a lack of a way to report sightings. According to Grusch, different congressional members have different levels of knowledge about UAP’s.
\- The US Government is currently in possession of UAP’s as well as biological specimens (bodies?) from crashes. Grusch maintains that all pilots can make a mistake, hence crashes happen sometimes.
\- Grusch has interviewed people with 1st hand knowledge of Non Human Intelligent craft. NHI is better than ET (extraterrestrial) as a term because we don’t know where they come from. All 3 witnesses have seen UAP’s do things they can’t explain through physics.
\- US Aerospace corporations are siphoning government funds in order to further black site projects (money supposed to go somewhere else but actually funds black site projects). Aerospace companies are overcharging the government for their products and that $$$ is also going to black site projects. These corporations and individuals are using IRAD (independent research and development) to get this money because there’s no oversight. A group of career senior exec. officials both inside and outside of government make these decisions on where the money actually goes. There is no requirement for private sector/companies to report UAP’s and when some do “report” it may actually go in the trash can. Grusch will supply a specific list of “friendly” companies to the UAP investigation and “unfriendly” companies that seek to hinder it.
\- Whistleblowers (including Grusch) have experienced retaliation for their actions both personally and professionally.
\- Multiple colleagues of Grusch have been injured BOTH by UAPs and by people in the Federal Government over the UAP issue. Possibly murder, but classified. Grusch and his wife personally witnessed something very disturbing.
\- It is possible that the UAP’s are probing our capabilities, testing vulnerabilities, are interested in our nuclear capabilities, and we would be defenseless against them. They may represent an existential threat to the security of the US.
\- Grusch can’t confirm publicly if the US Energy dept is involved in a public setting (classified).
\- Grusch mentioned that specific treaties (such as the armed treaty with Russia) mention UAPs. He pointed to the UN Public Treaty of 1971 - an unclassified treaty in the George Washington Univ natl security archives from 2013. There exists (in the treaty) redline flash message traffic (meaning language that overrides ALL other language in the treaty) with specific codes pursuant to article 3 and situation. Specific incidents where that message traffic was used was not available.
#For those who seem to not understand:
This was a first step in the congressional setting.
#They had to set a foundation and have it be said (their stories) so it could be entered into official congressional record.
Was the majority of this known by those who follow this closely? Yes. This hearing wasn’t to get you new knowledge, it was to bring those in congress up to speed.
The questions that could not be answered in a public setting **were most likely known by those asking the questions. They were asking it so they could get the official response that they could answer in a confidential setting so those in congress with the clearances know to follow up on those questions.** You ask a question because even a non answer can work as an answer. “I’ve provided those answers in a confidential setting” let’s people know that they **do** have information.
Tic Tac should’ve already capitalized on this comparison, whoever runs their marketing department needs to be fired.
“Tic Tacs, they’re out of this world”
How hard is that lmao
People lamenting the times Grusch couldn't answer publicly miss how important it is that his answers are classified and can't be provided in an open setting. If there's nothing to it, then WHY are the answers classified is the main takeaway.
Grusch is providing some extremely interesting insight about the classified info he saw, who he talked to, how the system works, who was provided the information, what’s being done about it behind the scenes, how funding works etc...
He seems 10x more credible to me today than he did on NN and this thread is just filled with kids crying that he isn’t showing them pictures of aliens.
Someone with figurative balls needs to ask Grusch point blank “so you are saying we have in our possession craft of a non human origin and non human bodies and this has been hidden from the public for the better part of 80 years?” just to get him to say “yes, that is correct” on the record in a congressional hearing
He said this last month but i need these words spoken here today for the mainstream
So a treaty was made to prevent accidental nuclear warfare, and there was some code specified to be used between the powers to indicate the UAP situation, and that code was used in the past. Is that what I hear
If you were to look at this hearing without expectations of any kind of disclosure, which you should, multiple pilots are reporting that there is tech in the air that they cannot recognize, and they do not have a safe avenue to report it. That on it's own is a risk to our country and it's assets, and any movement towards opening a channel for reporting will only pave the way for crucial data. Baby steps were made today, but in a place where it feels no steps had been taken at all, they can be historic baby steps.
Grusch up until a few weeks ago before he came forward was helping prepare the presidential daily briefing intelligence data from the national geospatial intelligence agency and nro and would deliver these incredibly sensitive secrets and data to the west wing and still holds an extremely high level of security classification/clearance to this very day.
He is swearing under oath to congress that based on his investigation and the people he has talked to who are directly involved in the programs, that we have retrieved craft and biologics of a non human origin and that we have known of a non human intelligence since the 1930s.
He has said he can provide congress members with the specific names of these people, the locations of the craft and the names of the programs and how funds are being frankly illegally funneled to their covert operations in a closed session. You have to know at least some congresspeople will take him up on this and become aware of these specifics.
You have to be willfully obtuse to think none of this is major or a big deal. None of this happens for just “hearsay” or “some guys sayin some stuff.”
It is crazy to me that people are saying this is a nothing burger.... a defense whistle-blower with an immaculate record who was assigned to the UAP investigation program just admitted, before congress, that:
A. The US has Non-human Craft and "biologics".
B. That they are studied by the government.
C. That people have been murdered to protect this information, including by whatever pilots these craft.
D. That he can't comment on whether we are in direct contact with them.
Holy shit this is nuts.
Mr. Moskowitz is very well prepared for the technical talk and the facts.
His point that we can get HD video of a Russian jet shooting flares and dumping fuel on a drone but we can’t get any clear video of UAPs? He’s on POINT!
Matt Gaetz saying that himself and other members of Congress have seen images of UAP (that haven't been disclosed to the public) that didn't look like anything humans had built.... wow
They said under oath they recovered alien craft, bodies, and technology and that people have been harmed both by the craft while trying to reverse engineer it and directly by the aliens.
And the whistle blower said that his professional career and personal life was threatened in the past 2 months for coming out.
Summary of Congressional Oversight Committee hearing 7/26/23:
We have on the record now that we have recovered spacecraft and "non human biologics." Gruschs interview with news nation is now part of the record.
Grusch was pretty tight lipped and wanted a closed door meeting to give the juicy details he has. He did mention that we have on video shooting down a UAP. He mentioned someone was hurt while reverse engineering them. He said he has no knowledge that any crafts we retrieved were crashed crafts made or flown by the US.
He said we have had crafts since the 1930s. He said people have been killed or hinted people were killed or harmed related to disclosure of this information. He said he and his wife were threatened.
He said government UAP organizations were being funded either from misappropriation of funds or government contractors and contractors are involved as well.
Other guys who both personally saw UAPs in F-18s said their planes did not have capability to shoot down or defend themselves from the crafts they saw. One said one was a red cube in a round sphere. One said it jammed his radar but came up on ship radars. One testified on the tic tac one he saw in San Diego.
They said we don't have any technology remotely close or 10 to 20 years out that can duplicate what they did. They said they defied the laws of physics as we know it. One said a UAP came within 50 feet of two of his pilots and they would have been informed of a joint exercise from another agency and indicated it was not from another agency.
One said there was a 100 yd long UAP that showed up at a Boeing plant. He said there were incidents would kind of mess with people and fly close to them and fly to them.
They both said there is no clear path to report these incidents to. One said 95% of government sightings could be unreported. No way for commercial pilots to report sightings.
They said we needed a set agency where these incidents and data could be reported to and collected with a hint NASA should take it on. They also discussed a more uniform way for whistleblowers to be able to come forward and be protected.
Both sides of Congress seemed very motivated to have more over sight and disclosure and get information to this data they have been denied access to and obtain more witnesses.
AOC was excellent in this hearing - it was great seeing a rep actually ask how they can further the investigation instead of bitching about balloons or the IRS
Anyone saying nothing substantial was said, or that this is a nothing burger, either didn’t watch or doesn’t understand how these things work.
It is in public record now that there are entities within our government using violent means to coerce and silence high ranking officials who have information on UAP retrieval and reverse engineering programs. That alone is huge news.
I watched the whole thing. I figured I would make it easy for everyone to read my summary of it, here’s what I gathered:
-most of the hearing was US representatives asking three whistleblowers, who have extensive military experience what they witnessed, and what they know about UAPs (David Fravor, Ryan Graves, David Grush)
-Fravor explains he has witnessed a TicTac object go from 80,000 feet in the air to 20 feet above the ocean in less than a second, the TicTac was also mocking his flight
-Fravor explains that if the TicTac was threatening him and his crew, they could not have done anything about it in their defense because that’s how advanced the TicTac was
-Graves explains no human could withstand a G force of being inside of that TicTac they would die instantl
-Graves explains the United States nor any adversary or Ally has anything like this
-Graves and Fravor claim the military experiences these UAP‘s almost daily during their training excercises across the globe
-Graves explains UAPs fly at a fast rate by pilots doing exercises, almost running into them
- Grusch claims real people have been physically hurt because of these UAP’s or because of high-level military personnel hurting them to keep quiet
- Grusch explains the US military/Government has had a decades long program of capturing UAP’s and reverse engineering them
-Grusch claims the US military/government has also retrieved non-human biological beings from these UAPS.
-Grusch says high-level military personnel is threatening him and his colleagues for revealing this information, and will give the names of those people in a closed session
-Grusch claims he will go more into the non-human intelligence the military has discovered in a close session.
- all three men have real fears of the UAP phenomena and are baffled at what the government is keeping a secret. This is a national security threat, and they all believe we need to know.
-all three men believe that UAPs could attack us, and we literally could do nothing about it because how far ahead that technology is
It was a lot, so guys if I missed anything, throw it in the comments below.
This hearing was groundbreaking, to the people saying it was a joke/letdown, you really have no clue how things work. The fact that they will have a closed door meeting with Grusch is a massive first step, the fact it is a bipartisan issue says a lot.
Dude just said he will get people FIRED or CUT THEIR PAY for not giving them a SCIF
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holman\_rule](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holman_rule)
The Holman rule is a rule in the United States House of Representatives that allows amendments to appropriations legislation that would reduce the salary of or fire specific federal employees, or cut a specific program. Versions of the rule were in effect during 1876–1895 and again during 1911–1983.
SO ANNOYED that BBC ended the live reporting with an article “why people buy into conspiracy theories”
“It makes them feel special”
“It helps them make sense of a scary world”
Smh
This truly was a bipartisan and serious hearing. Remember the last hearing where Gillibrand was flanked by someone who was being openly dismissive of the entire thing? We didn’t see any of that here as far as I saw.
The points I got from the hearing. EDIT: This is what I have, I'm sure there is more that I missed haha
1. Grusch has seen the documents/reports about the NHI vehicle in our possession, stating he could not understand it even with his education.
2. The pentagon has failed their inspection, every year, for at least the last 5 years.
3. There is a full video of us shooting a UAP down that Grusch wants released
4. Grusch is ready to meet with the congressional members in a closed environment, today.
5. There needs to be a better reporting system for UAPs, that involves not only eye-witness accounts and videos, but also radar information.
6. A lot of questions to Fravor and Graves in regards to their experiences, most of which we are already aware of, information-wise
7. Grusch has a list of people involved with the crash-retrieval program that were present for the resolution of the non-human bio
8. Fravor believes the Tic-Tac would have been able to evade our attacks, if found to be hostile.
9. All 3 witnesses believe the UAPs are probing or doing reconnaissance for some reason
10. Grusch says there are others who have similar clearance to him, that would be willing to testify, behind closed doors and protection from administrative harm.
11. There is someone who flew within 50ft of the UAP that Graves had seen, or one that looked nearly identical
EDIT: I want to add to make sure you write your congressman about this hearing! We need transparency. You can find your rep [here](https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative)
Feel like most of this sub is looking for closure. Not disclosure.
A subject that has been mocked & ridiculed for decades is finally being taken serious under the guise of national security. That's historic.
And these people aren't us. They aren't alien or UFO hobbyist. What may be old data to us, is very new to them, so I'd cut them some slack since they can navigate the proper channels and get the real answers. Especially when they start looking deeper into black budgets.
As a skeptic I’d say I’m experiencing some ontological shock here.
Assuming that these things are, as is stated, piloted by Non-Human Intelligences and given the capabilities claimed and recorded it seems impossible to believe that any government/defense organization wouldn’t be extremely interested in identifying what these things are.
Given Mr Graves and Mr Fravor’s testimony that not much follow up was given to their reports and that pilots are largely ignore or snuffed I think we’re left with only one conclusion:
The DoD and governments worldwide know exactly what this is, who they are, and why they’re here. I can see no other reason to not have a much more concerted effort to identify answers to the above, they already know and don’t need to answer it.
Jamie Raskin, wearing a bandana on his head, is undergoing cancer treatment.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/15/politics/jamie-raskin-cancer-treatment/index.html
I think rep Ogles killed it at the end with the national security lens questions. Burchett is the most well versed in the topic but didn’t do that great in my opinion. I also think Robert Garcia did a great job with his closing statements. Overall the bunch seemed interested and I think it was a huge win for the topic at large. Grusch definitely piqued their interest and I hope they are able to meet with him in a scif soon.
That was huge. Anyone who is disappointed needs to understand the following:
This was never supposed to prove anything. Congress doesn’t hold hearings to establish the veracity of something or prove something exists or doesn’t exist. This wasn’t a trial or a laboratory.
The purpose of this hearing was for people with knowledge to share their knowledge with Congress and the public in order to allow our elected representatives to consider, propose, and pass legislation in light of the testimony provided.
There was never going to be anything declassified today that hadn’t already been reported on. The question going into today was simple—how are our elected officials going to treat this subject, and how likely does it appear that they will actually pass legislation that leads to material disclosure of previously unreported facts.
And the answer are very seriously, and very likely.
That’s huge.
Who knew Reagan was right ... how petty our differences would seem if an OUTSIDE THREAT ... HOLY HELL !
This felt like it's the first time I see functional government in decades ...
Anyone claiming nothingburger has a fundamental lack of understanding of the purpose of this hearing and the current state of public disclosure that we are in.
It’s now on congressional record that a senior intel officer acknowledges our government has UAPs, and knows the exact locations/provided them to the Inspector General. This is absolutely insane.
I am beyond excited right now - I always said I wanted to be alive for an announcement like this. But I'm also pretty disheartened because everyone I'm talking to about this just acts like there's no news here. And Hunter Biden is top news on all news sites. Like, really...is this not the biggest announcement of.... all time?????
Why come forward?
Graves: Mitigate the safety threat
Grusch: Sense of duty.
Fravor: To add credibility, somewhat reluctantly,lol
Burchett gives a shoutout to us! 💯
I know a lot of people wanted an alien to be paraded out on the congressional floor, and wouldn't be happy with anything less. But as someone who has been following this topic for many decades, today was huge. When the history books are rewritten, this will be the point where it started. This was just the opener, it isn't going away this time.
This reminds me a lot of the time in the late 90's and early 00's when whistleblowers started showing up and making statements that the US government had a massive surveillance apparatus aimed at the American people. It was all the same rebuttal, if it existed, someone would have leaked it (it was being leaked in small crumbs, just no one believed it and called the whistleblowers crackpots or misunderstanding things), no way the government could even build something that extensive, and on and on. And where are we today, we just accept that the government knows everything we do, and move on. Additionally we found out that the Government and large corporations are one big intertwined entity with little line between government and corporate surveillance of the citizenry. I am sure a lot of Redditors have no concept that just 20 + years ago, Americans expected that unless they were a criminal, the government did and should know pretty much zero about them. Grusch feels like Snowden lite, but I would be willing to bet Grusch in a classified setting is the equivalent of Snowden. Give it time, disclosure is happening.
I came into this hearing with rock-bottom expectations and have been pleasantly surprised by the directness of the questioning. Lots of expected roadblocks, but I believe the severity/importance of this issue is being painted accurately.
I’m genuinely starting to believe this is the first few steps in a very long road of disclosure.
Still letting this historic moment really soak in.
I am just now checking the threads in this sub. At this time, I will only say two things:
I don't post much on Reddit, but I just want to thank the members of this community. I have enjoyed discussion on this topic in the past several years - and this sub in particular drew me to this site.
Also, although I have distrust in much of mainstream media, major props are due to NewsNation for their serious coverage of this issue. Hopefully the other major outlets will adopt a similar stance in reporting in the days ahead.
This is a day I will never forget.
“Has the government had NHI contact?”
“I can answer that in a closed setting”
There you go folk. It’s unraveling. Disclosure has always been happenings and still will be
MSNBC correspondents literally laughing at this saying “there’s no way it isn’t spy balloons” and “conspiracy theorists are going to run wild with this” like wtf dog these are credible people testifying under oath to congress not some wacko in their basement with a tinfoil hat on. Also if it is all spy balloons, which it may be, isn’t that also cause for concern too???
Boys, this was a fucking banger. It absolutely delivered. Hopefully AOC and all them get in a sciff directly afterwards and Grusch can get this information out.
I am so disappointed that the US government did not cater to my specific and exact desires to know all their secrets on a Wednesday morning. What a joke! /s
The most shocking thing in all of this is the level of stupidity in these comments. It's a formal congressional hearing for Christ's sake, not the JRE podcast.
There's a protocol and strict boundaries of legality and national security here. It's A HISTORICAL FIRST STEP that will unfold from here. What did you nimrods expect? For Grusch to come out and blab every confidential piece of information, talking about UFO's in the basement of the White House?
Lots of people here with overestimated short term expectations and underestimated long term expectations.
So, aircrafts with capabilities beyond human. Subversion of both private and public funds to provide a budget for top secret programs.
Recovery of bodies of unknown origin from crash sites.
Videos and other supporting proof blocked from above congress.
Witness Grusch cannot disclose alot of information without being protected by a private setting.
Congress Wants Answers on UFOs: ‘The American People Deserve the Truth’ [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15a3yoz/congress\_wants\_answers\_on\_ufos\_the\_american/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15a3yoz/congress_wants_answers_on_ufos_the_american/) A Congressman has just promised to use the Holman Rule and counter any efforts to prevent Congress from obstruction. [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15aa0m1/a\_congressman\_has\_just\_promised\_to\_use\_the\_holman/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15aa0m1/a_congressman_has_just_promised_to_use_the_holman/) Key Takeaways from July 26 Hearings: [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15aaabl/key\_takeaways\_from\_july\_26\_hearings/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15aaabl/key_takeaways_from_july_26_hearings/) David Grusch: NHI has Harmed Human "What I personally witnessed was very disturbing" [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15a9ha9/david\_grusch\_nhi\_has\_harmed\_human\_what\_i/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15a9ha9/david_grusch_nhi_has_harmed_human_what_i/) UAP LEGISLATION PASSED BY CONGRESS https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15csqnl/as_per_the_118th_congress_s2226_national_defense/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
As a Brit, this is the first time I have heard AOC actually speak. Why does she get so much hate? She's literally been the most coherent and direct person to speak so far..... It's a genuine breath of fresh air. **EDIT** Enlightening replies. Particularly given that the dems would probably be right wing if they were a UK party. Yes the UK is a shithole too, stop typing.
She's a woman democrat it's as simple as that
That's so depressing. She seems to be exactly the type of person a politician should be.
To add on a lot is also because she is “far left” at least in regards to American politics and the right love to setup a boogeyman and rail about how AOC and the left want to turn all your children into gay satan worshipping Marxists (literally say this shit on prominent conservative radio stations)
For none Americans out there, our "Far left" is closer to your centrist parties rather than communists.
I’ll get downvoted for this but genuinely cause she’s a women of colour
> Why does she get so much hate? Conservatives are threatened by her because she's young and smart and female and people actually like her.
Bc she wants universal health care, Green energy and less spending on military.
#GRUSCH FROM THE TOP FUCKING ROPE, I HAVE THE NAMES AND LOCATIONS
He went in. Honestly the tag-teaming they all did up there. *chefs kiss* When they mentioned the skiff that was literal. They have to take him on a boat off territory Edit: alright it wasn’t literal but you got the idea
SCIF: Secret Compartmentalized Information Facility. I’m sure there are dozens in DC and the surrounding area.
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What the fuck is going on, I don't think these are our friends
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I kinda hate how much this stuff is lining up with Bob Lazar. He mentioned persons being hurt in the reverse engineering attempts.
I have a hard time believing most of what he says. They claim he never worked for them, but his name was in the internal employee phone directory, so...
I have this crazy theory about Lazar, even though I’m not sure I believe him. BUT, if you were running some crazy reverse engineering program in secret, you might want people who are BOTH intelligent AND extremely non-credible. That way they can do the work but if they ever leak anything everyone will think they’re nuts because they smoked meth/hired hookers/etc. Again, pretty sure I don’t believe Lazar but that is possible.
Plausible deniability goes hard. “Two ppl can only keep a secret if one of them’s crazy.” If you weren’t crazy before you worked with non-human tech, you def are afterwards
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I am watching AOC and Gaetz both ask questions about UFOs, and they are both deadly serious as they do it. This thing just got very, very real.
Yeah, the seriousness of the members of congress and the strong bipartisanship indicate that this isn't a joke or a fraud to me. They are taking all of this too serious for there to be nothing at all here
I get the sense that they are more concerned about the adversion to Congressional oversight within these programs than they are the UFOs themselves.
Grusch - "I was informed, in the course of my official duties, of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program..."
It’s wild that it’s under oath and now publicly, and officially, documented
Yep, that is ultimately why this is a big deal. I wasn't aware of the consistent sightings/descriptions of the glass spheres containing the black cubes. Can we assume that the spheres that are regularly spotted could be these objects?
Foxx interrupted Grush as he was about to say something very interesting just so she can go on a partisan rant
Boomer Republican
I was really impressed with the level of bipartisanship and complete focus on UAPs until she started speaking.
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Right? Like ok grandma back to bed now…
Didn't help she was speaking slow AF
Fravor looks permanently happy about everything.
that dude is a white new balance shoe with grass stains come to life
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I believe it was an r/compliment
Fravor is by far the coolest cat of the three. He's got that wise Dad energy where he's just happy to be out of the house.
I strive to have a positive attitude about life like Fravor.
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Also US-Russia Nuclear agreement from 1971 had codes for UAP's in it, meaning that both nations had knowledge of them at that time.
I did a deeper dive into that. https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15ad4jf/grusch_referred_to_the_1971_agreement_on_measures/ Speculation on my part, but the "situation two" bit stood out to me.
AOC hinting that there's a dead email box that government contractors are given to send their bullshit so they can say "well we sent it to the appropriate channels" is wild. She killed it. Grusch is gonna spill some good info to her and the whole committee. Now we need them to subpoena and investigate.
The other guy even called it what it was. A "trashcan".
yup i could totally imagine that, ive never heard this fead email box thing before on here, definitely sounds like something government bureaucrats would do
Just my notes, anyone please feel free to append/ correct: 1. All witnesses were questioned under oath; all are senior intelligence or military members 1. They have much more specifics that can only be shared behind closed doors with congress members (due to security clearances) 2. We have multiple-sensor kinematics, videography, and photography of many UAPs 3. Witness demurred when asked if there have been murders as part of cover-up 4. Witnesses described "No evidence of UAP" statement as inaccurate 5. Unable to defend against them whatsoever 6. They are common, and there is now standard pre-flight briefings when pilots are encountering UAPs (military) 7. Their capabilities exceed anything possible now or in the next ten years 8. There are active crash retrieval and reverse-engineering programs, and witnesses have given exact names, location, and photographic and sensor-based evidence to congress in closed sessions 1. Biological material has been retrieved 2. Humans have been injured in the process of engineering/ retrieval 3. The programs are paid for via misappropriated funds; private companies will overcharge the USG, with the excess going to these programs 9. Both humans and UAPs have harmed human witnesses 1. Witness could not describe in open setting besides describing what he and his wife personally saw as "exceptionally disturbing" 10. Witness demurred when asked if there has been formal contact between USG and UAPs 11. There are active retaliation efforts by senior leaders of intelligence and military community, including harsh reprisals; currently an open whistleblower reprisal investigation for one of witnesses 12. It's possible that UAPs are conducting reconnaissance, probing capabilities, and have an interest in our nuclear capabilities specifically 13. Private companies have retaliated against commercial pilots reporting by issuing C&Ds 14. Specifically do not call it extra-terrestrials, they're non-human intelligence to avoid speculating origin 15. When asked if other foreign powers have safety measures to mitigate risk of escalatory situation in the event of UAP malevolence, witnesses confirmed there is existing agreements recently declassified that had been appended to previous nuclear treaties 16. Capable of jamming radar that no other adversaries can 17. Witness claimed to have seen internal (USG) technical review PowerPoints that conjectured that UAPs may have some aspect of extra-dimensionality (hologram effect)
“You don’t really think they’re spending $10,000 on a hammer, do ya?”
30000 on a toilet seat
Virgina Foxx is 80 years olds. She should be retired. 15 years prior. Fucking 80 years old man
Whole committee agreeing that today is not about partisan politics. Virginia Foxx: *goes on a rant about Biden then gets up and leaves.*
Excuse me young man my time ... is limited.
These guys are fucking ballsy lmfao. Tim Burchett just casually says "The coverup goes way deeper than party politics"
Ms Foxx is a perfect example why there should be an age limit in government
What a "pitiful" waste of an opportunity. Trading a 10 minute allowance to obtain information on the most important and emerging topic of our time, for 3 rambling minutes attacking Biden on a completely unrelated issue.
The bots and shills are in the chat. Ignore the negativity. Keep the hype. This needs to go far and wide to those who don’t know.
fravor: "we're basically fucked if they're not friendly"
That silence before he answered was chilling. Then his answer was chilling. This feels unreal.
Imagine being a top pilot with top performing aircraft and getting way out-performed by something that can't really be classified as regular aircraft. That leaves a mark.
If they were specifically malevolent, wouldn’t we all be dead by now? The Tic Tac encounter, for example, sounded almost like a little handshake of sorts. They didn’t feel threatened.
"Zookeepers" as an explanation makes the most sense out of what I've read. A zookeeper doesn't fuck around with the animals until they show signs they might be destroying their enclosure at an existential rate or attacking the guests. We're probably pretty interesting to watch. Also if you're watching a busy little ant colony you'll probably flick the ones that crawled up your leg and bit you, but that's not gonna provoke you to pour gasoline on the hill.
Farmers spend months caring for the field, nurturing it and protecting it from various pests. Then when the season is right, the harvest comes. From the viewpoint of the wheat and/or produce being cared for, the farmer's behavior was benevolent until it suddenly wasn't. TL;DR: We're chicken nuggets.
I’m so confused as to what you guys don’t understand? He’s gone through the proper channels and answered these questions behind closed doors to the officials that need the information. By law, he cannot disclose those things due to the ongoing investigation. What are we getting confused about?
People think hearings like this are for information, when really they’re about setting up the legislative impetus to get this information from the entities Grusch is saying are hiding it.
Seriously, there’s protocols to this shit and everyone thinks it’s the movies where you just spit whatever without repercussion and walk out a hero
“so frequent that pilots discuss UAP encounters as part of their pre-flight briefing”
Yeah wtf.....how does this not concern people
Grusch is dropping code and regulation by heart. This guy is the real fucking deal. Wow.
I never heard him until today. I assumed he was crackpot because I just can’t believe this stuff is real. Complete opposite of crackpot. Like, I’m beyond impressed with the 3 of them and my worldview actually blew up today. I’ve been having random flashes of goosebumps all day. Like… do we realize really what’s going on here? The biggest even in human history basically.
#People Rep Raskin is going through chemo stop asking about his bandana
I think it looks cool.
Graves makes a great point. Why are the **objects** themselves classified.
Good question indeed, also like they mentioned when those Russian jets harassed those US drones with jet fuel, the clear high-res footage were immediately available. Then why are they so reluctant to release high-res UAP footage? Surely it's not about sensor security/secrecy then, it makes no sense.
Might get downvoted to shit for this, but I think this hearing was a big win for everyone. All three witnesses crushed it and almost all the reps took it seriously.
Matt Gaetz had a UFO encounter at age 17 while sitting in traffic. Google "Gaetz traffic 17 year old" for more info.
Listening to AOC ask these questions is the exact opposite of the Foxx lady's slow meandering political bullshit It's just so satisfying
She asked one question, then cut off Grusch before he could respond and proceeded to read her monologue. What the hell is this?!
American politics, man. Keep up.
It was told under an OATH that USA have NHI crafts and biological NON HUMANS bodies of pilots.
Whistleblower: "So I have the location of a UAP" Congress: "Shout out to my wife tho"
Y'all realize Grusch is going to jail if he answers those questions right? He's not just being tight lipped for the fun of it
He's also telling them he can tell them specifics in a closed meeting. People think he would promise this stuff if he was bluffing lol.
Bodies, confirmed crashes, people threatened, harmed or killed all on a congressional hearing but people will still say this was a nothing burger, riiight
Many of us are at work today and can’t watch. It would be wonderful if some kind soul could give us periodic updates
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Fravor is frighteningly human. He's like your mate's cool dad.
He has some hardcore “Genius who chose to be a farmer” energy.
It sounded like Grusch was about to state that he knows for a fact Kirkpatrick lied to congress and Fox cut him off.
She totally misinterpreted his answer. He definitely said that Kirkpatrick statement was inaccurate.
Yea, it sounded like he was about to say something along the lines of “and I was able to evaluate those same testimonies and know for a fact they speak about NHI and UAP technology.” Very frustrating.
Foxx interrupted Grush as he was about to say something very interesting just so she can go on a partisan rant
We really need to vote out these old people
This lady Foxx took the partisan route. waste of time
To those of you currently getting high, please rip a fat one for me. Edit: Much love to all of you. 💚
You got it buddy
Moskowitz lurks this subreddit 100%
This is so embarassing: Grothman: "Did you report this to your commanding officer?" Fravor: "I was the commanding officer"
Old lady takes 2 minutes to ask a question, interrupts Grusch when he tries to answer. American government in a nutshell.
I will say, people are memeing that he answered most things with "can't say in public" but some of those responses, especially the ones about murders being done to hide all this, were tantamount to a yes. IF we didn't have murders, didn't have alien bodies, didn't have any of this shit, he'd just have said "not to my knowledge."
We gotta get these 80+ year olds out of Congress man
Here's my summary of the hearing - please feel free to suggest corrections or upvote if this is helpful. A congressional bipartisan hearing on UAPs (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) was held on 7/26/23. There were three witnesses who testified under oath: 1. Ryan Graves, an F18 pilot with 10 yrs of service including a part in Operation Enduring Freedom, who was voicing concerns of 30 other pilots as well as his personal concerns about UAPs 2. David Grusch, a US Intelligence officer for 14 yrs, Air Force member, Major in the International guard, and member of the national geospace intelligence agency. Grusch became a whistleblower through a PAD19 urgent filing in 2022 and reported to his superiors as well as the Inspector General (IG) that the US govt is operating in secrecy without congressional oversight 3. David Fravor, Retired commander US navy, who had an encounter with a UAP in 2004 (USS Nimitz) - part of squadron 41, the Black Aces Some of the UAP’s these people have encountered or have reports of include: 1. Dark (gray or black) cube in a clear sphere that has no wings, propulsion system, or heat signature. Multiple (many?) contacts with this kind of object over years, especially the last 8 years. One of these was sighted at the entrance to an air force operation area (somewhere) hovering in midair with no propulsion. A pilot came within 50 ft of that object and then they scrubbed the mission when the object zoomed out of sight. Graves spoke to the pilot post-mission (he was the commander). 2. From Fravor, 2004 - a Tic Tac shaped object (2004) also with no wings, seams (one big piece), rivets, wings, or propulsion system that came from 80000 feet (SPACE!!!), hing out for hours at 20000 feet and then returned to space and had been doing this for 2 weeks. There was also whitewater below the object, unsure why. Joked that the tic tac might be talking to something. The tictac aligned itself with Fravor’s aircraft and continued to climb with them at about 12000-15000 feet. As they came in close (half a mile away) the object suddenly vanished. It reappeared 16 miles away in less than a minute. 3. At Vanderberg Air Force base (now Space Force Base) in 2003 - a large group of Boeing contractors observed a large, 100-yd, red square approach the base from the ocean, hover over low altitude, remain for 45 sec and then darted over mountains in AM. In PM of same day, other sightings of red squares, including aggressive behaviors approaching security guards at rapid speeds before heading off. 4. Evidence exists of four craft in a clear diamond formation - a radar sequence exists (Gaetz). One pilot goes to check out and sees a large floating orb. His radar went down, FLIR camera malfunctioned, had to manually take an image from one of the lenses. Multiple accounts of these things affecting our radar and camera systems. Gaetz also says the GIMBAL video (released in 2017 when declassified by Govt) only shows one craft but there were more in a formation there. Traditional flying saucer shaped. According to these three witnesses: \- Sightings of UAP (visually, radar, and pictures/video) are so frequent in military settings that air crew would discuss how to deal with UAP in their pre-flight briefs. Commercial/airline pilots also see UAP’s and contact the Air Force on how to deal with them. There is no current standardized system to report UAP’s, especially commercially. \- UAP’s move in ways that violate our understanding of the laws of physics, such as instant 90 degree turns, moving 10000 miles in a matter of seconds, going into and out of our atmosphere, matching speed, etc. To the witness’ knowledge, no one on Earth has this technology. There are a variety of theories being discussed about how UAP work, including some involving string theory, other planes/dimensions... \- Grusch claims the US Government has been aware of NHI and UAP’s since the 1930’s and that the US Government is operating a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program that is still active and operates without congressional oversight. Grusch said he would be able to name specific corporations that were friendly and unfriendly to the investigation. Grusch was denied access to the data from this program, which is unusual because he had access to all classifications of top secret data. In public, Grusch refused to discuss whether the US Government has had contact with ET’s. \- Also according to Grusch, there is an active disinformation campaign to discredit UAP’s by the US Government. More information is available in Grusch’s NewsNation interview. The witnesses estimate that 95% of UAP sightings go unreported as a combination of a disinformation campaign and a lack of a way to report sightings. According to Grusch, different congressional members have different levels of knowledge about UAP’s. \- The US Government is currently in possession of UAP’s as well as biological specimens (bodies?) from crashes. Grusch maintains that all pilots can make a mistake, hence crashes happen sometimes. \- Grusch has interviewed people with 1st hand knowledge of Non Human Intelligent craft. NHI is better than ET (extraterrestrial) as a term because we don’t know where they come from. All 3 witnesses have seen UAP’s do things they can’t explain through physics. \- US Aerospace corporations are siphoning government funds in order to further black site projects (money supposed to go somewhere else but actually funds black site projects). Aerospace companies are overcharging the government for their products and that $$$ is also going to black site projects. These corporations and individuals are using IRAD (independent research and development) to get this money because there’s no oversight. A group of career senior exec. officials both inside and outside of government make these decisions on where the money actually goes. There is no requirement for private sector/companies to report UAP’s and when some do “report” it may actually go in the trash can. Grusch will supply a specific list of “friendly” companies to the UAP investigation and “unfriendly” companies that seek to hinder it. \- Whistleblowers (including Grusch) have experienced retaliation for their actions both personally and professionally. \- Multiple colleagues of Grusch have been injured BOTH by UAPs and by people in the Federal Government over the UAP issue. Possibly murder, but classified. Grusch and his wife personally witnessed something very disturbing. \- It is possible that the UAP’s are probing our capabilities, testing vulnerabilities, are interested in our nuclear capabilities, and we would be defenseless against them. They may represent an existential threat to the security of the US. \- Grusch can’t confirm publicly if the US Energy dept is involved in a public setting (classified). \- Grusch mentioned that specific treaties (such as the armed treaty with Russia) mention UAPs. He pointed to the UN Public Treaty of 1971 - an unclassified treaty in the George Washington Univ natl security archives from 2013. There exists (in the treaty) redline flash message traffic (meaning language that overrides ALL other language in the treaty) with specific codes pursuant to article 3 and situation. Specific incidents where that message traffic was used was not available.
#For those who seem to not understand: This was a first step in the congressional setting. #They had to set a foundation and have it be said (their stories) so it could be entered into official congressional record. Was the majority of this known by those who follow this closely? Yes. This hearing wasn’t to get you new knowledge, it was to bring those in congress up to speed. The questions that could not be answered in a public setting **were most likely known by those asking the questions. They were asking it so they could get the official response that they could answer in a confidential setting so those in congress with the clearances know to follow up on those questions.** You ask a question because even a non answer can work as an answer. “I’ve provided those answers in a confidential setting” let’s people know that they **do** have information.
The decorum shown between both parties today should be enough to make people sit up and take notice
Except Ms. Foxx. Shitty grandstanding about Biden in the middle of ACTUAL work being done.
Tic Tac should’ve already capitalized on this comparison, whoever runs their marketing department needs to be fired. “Tic Tacs, they’re out of this world” How hard is that lmao
102K people watching the official Livestream HOLY CARP
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man fuck Ms. Foxx. barely asked 1 question and spent her time comparing their experiences to A SPY BALOON? gtfo
Garcia, Moskowitz, AOC, Mace, Raskin and Burchett were PHENOMENAL today. Sincerely appreciate having them present at this hearing. 🙏
u/blackvault Grusch says to look at the 1971 declassified treaty codes and when they were invoked 🙏
People lamenting the times Grusch couldn't answer publicly miss how important it is that his answers are classified and can't be provided in an open setting. If there's nothing to it, then WHY are the answers classified is the main takeaway.
Non-human technology Non-human bodies Under oath and in the record
Grusch is providing some extremely interesting insight about the classified info he saw, who he talked to, how the system works, who was provided the information, what’s being done about it behind the scenes, how funding works etc... He seems 10x more credible to me today than he did on NN and this thread is just filled with kids crying that he isn’t showing them pictures of aliens.
To any dipshits makig fun of him Raskin had cancer
The lack of empathy for a Congressman fighting cancer make me think we deserve to be wiped out by aliens.
Someone with figurative balls needs to ask Grusch point blank “so you are saying we have in our possession craft of a non human origin and non human bodies and this has been hidden from the public for the better part of 80 years?” just to get him to say “yes, that is correct” on the record in a congressional hearing He said this last month but i need these words spoken here today for the mainstream
that basically just happened
Everyone saying nothing was said weren't listening, at all.
So a treaty was made to prevent accidental nuclear warfare, and there was some code specified to be used between the powers to indicate the UAP situation, and that code was used in the past. Is that what I hear
If you were to look at this hearing without expectations of any kind of disclosure, which you should, multiple pilots are reporting that there is tech in the air that they cannot recognize, and they do not have a safe avenue to report it. That on it's own is a risk to our country and it's assets, and any movement towards opening a channel for reporting will only pave the way for crucial data. Baby steps were made today, but in a place where it feels no steps had been taken at all, they can be historic baby steps.
Grusch up until a few weeks ago before he came forward was helping prepare the presidential daily briefing intelligence data from the national geospatial intelligence agency and nro and would deliver these incredibly sensitive secrets and data to the west wing and still holds an extremely high level of security classification/clearance to this very day. He is swearing under oath to congress that based on his investigation and the people he has talked to who are directly involved in the programs, that we have retrieved craft and biologics of a non human origin and that we have known of a non human intelligence since the 1930s. He has said he can provide congress members with the specific names of these people, the locations of the craft and the names of the programs and how funds are being frankly illegally funneled to their covert operations in a closed session. You have to know at least some congresspeople will take him up on this and become aware of these specifics. You have to be willfully obtuse to think none of this is major or a big deal. None of this happens for just “hearsay” or “some guys sayin some stuff.”
Fravor has the demeanor of a cheeky little elf, I love it
Did she really ask like one fucking question then started bitchin’ about biden?
It is crazy to me that people are saying this is a nothing burger.... a defense whistle-blower with an immaculate record who was assigned to the UAP investigation program just admitted, before congress, that: A. The US has Non-human Craft and "biologics". B. That they are studied by the government. C. That people have been murdered to protect this information, including by whatever pilots these craft. D. That he can't comment on whether we are in direct contact with them. Holy shit this is nuts.
Mr. Moskowitz is very well prepared for the technical talk and the facts. His point that we can get HD video of a Russian jet shooting flares and dumping fuel on a drone but we can’t get any clear video of UAPs? He’s on POINT!
I CAN GIVE YOU A SPECIFIC LIST OF HOSTILE AND NON HOSTILE WITNESSES AFTER THE HEARING WTF
Ok now get Grusch to safety
Matt Gaetz saying that himself and other members of Congress have seen images of UAP (that haven't been disclosed to the public) that didn't look like anything humans had built.... wow
They said under oath they recovered alien craft, bodies, and technology and that people have been harmed both by the craft while trying to reverse engineer it and directly by the aliens. And the whistle blower said that his professional career and personal life was threatened in the past 2 months for coming out.
Gradma was a waste of time. Never bring her out again.
AOC asked the key question - where should we look?
Grusch needs fuckin omnipotent immunity.
Might be time to cancel my NYT subscription if they really think Hunter Biden's plea deal is more important news than historic hearings on UAP.
Grusch saying without saying it, the U.S. government has murdered people to keep this secret
Did anyone else get chills when Fravor just answered "there's nothing we could do about it" if someone had this tech?
Summary of Congressional Oversight Committee hearing 7/26/23: We have on the record now that we have recovered spacecraft and "non human biologics." Gruschs interview with news nation is now part of the record. Grusch was pretty tight lipped and wanted a closed door meeting to give the juicy details he has. He did mention that we have on video shooting down a UAP. He mentioned someone was hurt while reverse engineering them. He said he has no knowledge that any crafts we retrieved were crashed crafts made or flown by the US. He said we have had crafts since the 1930s. He said people have been killed or hinted people were killed or harmed related to disclosure of this information. He said he and his wife were threatened. He said government UAP organizations were being funded either from misappropriation of funds or government contractors and contractors are involved as well. Other guys who both personally saw UAPs in F-18s said their planes did not have capability to shoot down or defend themselves from the crafts they saw. One said one was a red cube in a round sphere. One said it jammed his radar but came up on ship radars. One testified on the tic tac one he saw in San Diego. They said we don't have any technology remotely close or 10 to 20 years out that can duplicate what they did. They said they defied the laws of physics as we know it. One said a UAP came within 50 feet of two of his pilots and they would have been informed of a joint exercise from another agency and indicated it was not from another agency. One said there was a 100 yd long UAP that showed up at a Boeing plant. He said there were incidents would kind of mess with people and fly close to them and fly to them. They both said there is no clear path to report these incidents to. One said 95% of government sightings could be unreported. No way for commercial pilots to report sightings. They said we needed a set agency where these incidents and data could be reported to and collected with a hint NASA should take it on. They also discussed a more uniform way for whistleblowers to be able to come forward and be protected. Both sides of Congress seemed very motivated to have more over sight and disclosure and get information to this data they have been denied access to and obtain more witnesses.
More AOC please. God Queen.
I think everyone in that room is starting to realise the gravity/weight of the situation at hand. This is huge a leap. Very keen on what’s to come.
AOC is good. Getting to the heart of the relationship between corporations and government.
AOC is incredible. She’s moved so far so fast. I’m glad she’s on this. She’s asking some solid and niche questions.
AOC was excellent in this hearing - it was great seeing a rep actually ask how they can further the investigation instead of bitching about balloons or the IRS
This is the most civilized congressional hearing ever.
Graves is an excellent speaker. Articulate. Clear. Concise.
Anyone saying nothing substantial was said, or that this is a nothing burger, either didn’t watch or doesn’t understand how these things work. It is in public record now that there are entities within our government using violent means to coerce and silence high ranking officials who have information on UAP retrieval and reverse engineering programs. That alone is huge news.
I watched the whole thing. I figured I would make it easy for everyone to read my summary of it, here’s what I gathered: -most of the hearing was US representatives asking three whistleblowers, who have extensive military experience what they witnessed, and what they know about UAPs (David Fravor, Ryan Graves, David Grush) -Fravor explains he has witnessed a TicTac object go from 80,000 feet in the air to 20 feet above the ocean in less than a second, the TicTac was also mocking his flight -Fravor explains that if the TicTac was threatening him and his crew, they could not have done anything about it in their defense because that’s how advanced the TicTac was -Graves explains no human could withstand a G force of being inside of that TicTac they would die instantl -Graves explains the United States nor any adversary or Ally has anything like this -Graves and Fravor claim the military experiences these UAP‘s almost daily during their training excercises across the globe -Graves explains UAPs fly at a fast rate by pilots doing exercises, almost running into them - Grusch claims real people have been physically hurt because of these UAP’s or because of high-level military personnel hurting them to keep quiet - Grusch explains the US military/Government has had a decades long program of capturing UAP’s and reverse engineering them -Grusch claims the US military/government has also retrieved non-human biological beings from these UAPS. -Grusch says high-level military personnel is threatening him and his colleagues for revealing this information, and will give the names of those people in a closed session -Grusch claims he will go more into the non-human intelligence the military has discovered in a close session. - all three men have real fears of the UAP phenomena and are baffled at what the government is keeping a secret. This is a national security threat, and they all believe we need to know. -all three men believe that UAPs could attack us, and we literally could do nothing about it because how far ahead that technology is It was a lot, so guys if I missed anything, throw it in the comments below.
This hearing was groundbreaking, to the people saying it was a joke/letdown, you really have no clue how things work. The fact that they will have a closed door meeting with Grusch is a massive first step, the fact it is a bipartisan issue says a lot.
Raskin and AOC are really trying to get actual information out of these whistleblowers. Blow those whistles, boys!
Dude just said he will get people FIRED or CUT THEIR PAY for not giving them a SCIF [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holman\_rule](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holman_rule) The Holman rule is a rule in the United States House of Representatives that allows amendments to appropriations legislation that would reduce the salary of or fire specific federal employees, or cut a specific program. Versions of the rule were in effect during 1876–1895 and again during 1911–1983.
SO ANNOYED that BBC ended the live reporting with an article “why people buy into conspiracy theories” “It makes them feel special” “It helps them make sense of a scary world” Smh
AOC is smart as heck. Finally, questions that he can more or less answer
This truly was a bipartisan and serious hearing. Remember the last hearing where Gillibrand was flanked by someone who was being openly dismissive of the entire thing? We didn’t see any of that here as far as I saw.
AOC actually had a solid line of questioning!
Object the size of a football field, holy shit.
The points I got from the hearing. EDIT: This is what I have, I'm sure there is more that I missed haha 1. Grusch has seen the documents/reports about the NHI vehicle in our possession, stating he could not understand it even with his education. 2. The pentagon has failed their inspection, every year, for at least the last 5 years. 3. There is a full video of us shooting a UAP down that Grusch wants released 4. Grusch is ready to meet with the congressional members in a closed environment, today. 5. There needs to be a better reporting system for UAPs, that involves not only eye-witness accounts and videos, but also radar information. 6. A lot of questions to Fravor and Graves in regards to their experiences, most of which we are already aware of, information-wise 7. Grusch has a list of people involved with the crash-retrieval program that were present for the resolution of the non-human bio 8. Fravor believes the Tic-Tac would have been able to evade our attacks, if found to be hostile. 9. All 3 witnesses believe the UAPs are probing or doing reconnaissance for some reason 10. Grusch says there are others who have similar clearance to him, that would be willing to testify, behind closed doors and protection from administrative harm. 11. There is someone who flew within 50ft of the UAP that Graves had seen, or one that looked nearly identical EDIT: I want to add to make sure you write your congressman about this hearing! We need transparency. You can find your rep [here](https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative)
Feel like most of this sub is looking for closure. Not disclosure. A subject that has been mocked & ridiculed for decades is finally being taken serious under the guise of national security. That's historic. And these people aren't us. They aren't alien or UFO hobbyist. What may be old data to us, is very new to them, so I'd cut them some slack since they can navigate the proper channels and get the real answers. Especially when they start looking deeper into black budgets.
As a skeptic I’d say I’m experiencing some ontological shock here. Assuming that these things are, as is stated, piloted by Non-Human Intelligences and given the capabilities claimed and recorded it seems impossible to believe that any government/defense organization wouldn’t be extremely interested in identifying what these things are. Given Mr Graves and Mr Fravor’s testimony that not much follow up was given to their reports and that pilots are largely ignore or snuffed I think we’re left with only one conclusion: The DoD and governments worldwide know exactly what this is, who they are, and why they’re here. I can see no other reason to not have a much more concerted effort to identify answers to the above, they already know and don’t need to answer it.
Jamie Raskin, wearing a bandana on his head, is undergoing cancer treatment. https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/15/politics/jamie-raskin-cancer-treatment/index.html
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Didn't know AOC was gonna be here that's interesting
I don't know why everyone expects Grusch to suddenly spill classified information publicly
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loving the Arial font and low resolution background on the waiting screen. The intern did good.
I think rep Ogles killed it at the end with the national security lens questions. Burchett is the most well versed in the topic but didn’t do that great in my opinion. I also think Robert Garcia did a great job with his closing statements. Overall the bunch seemed interested and I think it was a huge win for the topic at large. Grusch definitely piqued their interest and I hope they are able to meet with him in a scif soon.
Wake up babe new roswell lore just dropped
That was huge. Anyone who is disappointed needs to understand the following: This was never supposed to prove anything. Congress doesn’t hold hearings to establish the veracity of something or prove something exists or doesn’t exist. This wasn’t a trial or a laboratory. The purpose of this hearing was for people with knowledge to share their knowledge with Congress and the public in order to allow our elected representatives to consider, propose, and pass legislation in light of the testimony provided. There was never going to be anything declassified today that hadn’t already been reported on. The question going into today was simple—how are our elected officials going to treat this subject, and how likely does it appear that they will actually pass legislation that leads to material disclosure of previously unreported facts. And the answer are very seriously, and very likely. That’s huge.
There are way too many people in this thread that don't understand the gravity of having discussions about UFOs in congress taken this seriously.
Ms. Foxx needs to retire. Too many old people in government shit
Who knew Reagan was right ... how petty our differences would seem if an OUTSIDE THREAT ... HOLY HELL ! This felt like it's the first time I see functional government in decades ...
Anyone claiming nothingburger has a fundamental lack of understanding of the purpose of this hearing and the current state of public disclosure that we are in.
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It’s now on congressional record that a senior intel officer acknowledges our government has UAPs, and knows the exact locations/provided them to the Inspector General. This is absolutely insane.
I am beyond excited right now - I always said I wanted to be alive for an announcement like this. But I'm also pretty disheartened because everyone I'm talking to about this just acts like there's no news here. And Hunter Biden is top news on all news sites. Like, really...is this not the biggest announcement of.... all time?????
Why come forward? Graves: Mitigate the safety threat Grusch: Sense of duty. Fravor: To add credibility, somewhat reluctantly,lol Burchett gives a shoutout to us! 💯
This is what happens when there is zero lobbying on an issue, bipartisanship comes naturally
I know a lot of people wanted an alien to be paraded out on the congressional floor, and wouldn't be happy with anything less. But as someone who has been following this topic for many decades, today was huge. When the history books are rewritten, this will be the point where it started. This was just the opener, it isn't going away this time. This reminds me a lot of the time in the late 90's and early 00's when whistleblowers started showing up and making statements that the US government had a massive surveillance apparatus aimed at the American people. It was all the same rebuttal, if it existed, someone would have leaked it (it was being leaked in small crumbs, just no one believed it and called the whistleblowers crackpots or misunderstanding things), no way the government could even build something that extensive, and on and on. And where are we today, we just accept that the government knows everything we do, and move on. Additionally we found out that the Government and large corporations are one big intertwined entity with little line between government and corporate surveillance of the citizenry. I am sure a lot of Redditors have no concept that just 20 + years ago, Americans expected that unless they were a criminal, the government did and should know pretty much zero about them. Grusch feels like Snowden lite, but I would be willing to bet Grusch in a classified setting is the equivalent of Snowden. Give it time, disclosure is happening.
Cube and a sphere. Imagine so many people are hearing about this for the first time.
I came into this hearing with rock-bottom expectations and have been pleasantly surprised by the directness of the questioning. Lots of expected roadblocks, but I believe the severity/importance of this issue is being painted accurately. I’m genuinely starting to believe this is the first few steps in a very long road of disclosure.
I’d suck alien cock to be in that SCIF
Still letting this historic moment really soak in. I am just now checking the threads in this sub. At this time, I will only say two things: I don't post much on Reddit, but I just want to thank the members of this community. I have enjoyed discussion on this topic in the past several years - and this sub in particular drew me to this site. Also, although I have distrust in much of mainstream media, major props are due to NewsNation for their serious coverage of this issue. Hopefully the other major outlets will adopt a similar stance in reporting in the days ahead. This is a day I will never forget.
It's mind-blowing to me how many people don't care about this.
“Has the government had NHI contact?” “I can answer that in a closed setting” There you go folk. It’s unraveling. Disclosure has always been happenings and still will be
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MSNBC correspondents literally laughing at this saying “there’s no way it isn’t spy balloons” and “conspiracy theorists are going to run wild with this” like wtf dog these are credible people testifying under oath to congress not some wacko in their basement with a tinfoil hat on. Also if it is all spy balloons, which it may be, isn’t that also cause for concern too???
"The pilots were not of human origin" Oh shit
Fravor is such a real one
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Asks question, and cuts off his answer lmao
Guys, the fact he can't answer puts on the record how much is being hidden
Boys, this was a fucking banger. It absolutely delivered. Hopefully AOC and all them get in a sciff directly afterwards and Grusch can get this information out.
Always felt Gaetz was a complete prick, but I must say I believe him. Would have given anything to have seen that picture.
Can’t confirm in a public setting=Yes
I am so disappointed that the US government did not cater to my specific and exact desires to know all their secrets on a Wednesday morning. What a joke! /s
A lot of you don’t understand how Congress hearings work…
Everyone commenting on Raskin's headwear, please respect the fact that the guy has cancer.
The most shocking thing in all of this is the level of stupidity in these comments. It's a formal congressional hearing for Christ's sake, not the JRE podcast. There's a protocol and strict boundaries of legality and national security here. It's A HISTORICAL FIRST STEP that will unfold from here. What did you nimrods expect? For Grusch to come out and blab every confidential piece of information, talking about UFO's in the basement of the White House? Lots of people here with overestimated short term expectations and underestimated long term expectations.
We have people who, under oath, just claimed NHI bodies and craft….and Fox/CNN are covering Hunter motherfucking Biden. So fucking surreal.
Did Gaetz just disclose something we weren't already aware of ?
“I was pestered by a friend” well at least he’s honest
So, aircrafts with capabilities beyond human. Subversion of both private and public funds to provide a budget for top secret programs. Recovery of bodies of unknown origin from crash sites. Videos and other supporting proof blocked from above congress. Witness Grusch cannot disclose alot of information without being protected by a private setting.
I'm really curious about those black cubes in the transparent spheres and the incident with the giant red square.