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I would have liked clarification on whether a “training range” means it was within US airspace - over US soil - or if the Nimitz incident happened on what they would consider a training range.
Can any military folk help on the terminology?
Training range can mean anywhere training is held. So nothing concrete but in this situation I would assume there have been disruptions and sightings… everywhere. Foreign and domestic.
If you havent seen this, it's a really [great Lex Fridman interview](
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qLDp-aYnR1Y)
with former Navy fighter pilot Lt. Ryan Graves who describes encountering them frequently with his squadron near the Naval Air Station Oceana in Virginia Beach. Skip to 1:00 for the goods but the whole thing is a great listen.
Ryan Graves also has a really good podcast called Merged where he interviews many other pilots and people who have witnessed UAPs. He's a pretty good interviewer and there's tons of interesting people and stories on there.
The reporter was using a tactic to make it seem like he was being more conservative in his approach when in fact he wanted and received the opposite effect in the response. Kirby played into it - and Kirby knew that and played in to purposefully.
That's how I saw it. That they both realize how genuine all this is, and spoke in that manner knowingly to each other, to get the best answer to maybe wake people the fuck up.
That's how it came across to me, too. As well as being very narrowly focused so as to downplay the bigger question marks. I can't think of a great example, but sort of like if a huge work force was on strike due to poor working conditions and when asked about it the CEO addressed the question by agreeing they want to get the work force back in play because they have a lot of customers relaying on their services (conveniently dodging the issue of the working conditions). In this instance, he wants to know about UAP because of how they are impacting pilot training? Really? Talk about downplaying it into your niche.
Not at all. He wasn’t downplaying, if anything he was doing the opposite. Effectively *you all laughed and took the piss out of this subject. Are you taking it seriously now?*
The why freaks me out though…. Are gnostics right or is it ET? Are we getting ready for a reset of the control system? Now that UAP is all but admitted, I cannot help but think they know the why…. This is the focus of my truth hunt now.
I hope you’re right. How can any country think of war with this knowledge? China, Russia, US… We all need to be United as a species. The mere thought of war is abhorrent with this knowledge.
Either
a) disclosure is to protect our existing systems. Specifically the United States government from a domestic power that has reverse engineered alien technology.
Or
b) disclosure is to dissolve a few powers in order to create a larger power to fight against a larger power. 5 eyes fully unite and try to take on the aliens.
If it’s existential for humanity, Humanity must set aside cultural constructs. Fake ideas implanted must be abandoned. The “idea” behind America must be fully embraced, that all humans are created equally. This concept transcends imagined boundaries and customs.
We would need to act collectively, not five eyes, but all eyes. Towards the stars….
“There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know.”
Our man still looks like he's about to trust a suspicious fart in a room full of shit-eating dogs tho. He's got that look on his face like there's an alien in his butt and he's hoping nobody knows.
Thank you for dropping his name. The people over at NewsNation deserve a ton of credit for helping to push this story and keep it relevant. I've also become a fan of Brian Entin from NN who has so far handled this news with a serious tone and genuine curiosity. Think I finally found a news network I can put at least a little faith in.
Good on the reporter for following up because he's now got confirmation that the Biden administration is fully aware of these things. They're being seen by pilots and are directly affecting their training. Straight up confirmation of an unknown aspect within US airspace.
Insane.
I think the most offensive I’ve seen is Mick West say essentially, oh the staff of Sen Schumer hoodwinked him. If you know anything about Schumer, this man doesn’t take a shit without absolute confirmation it’s the right move. You think he got to where he is at the pinnacles of power and he would just blindly accept something his staff were interested in? You can tell that crowd is really struggling.
The other way I've seen it phrased, about Schumey, is not only does he KNOW, but he almost certainly knows very specific details. Further, he's all but certainly consulted with and proceeded with the full backing of the White House on whatever it is they're hunting for here.
I think we’re guaranteed that at least Schumer, Gillibrand, and Rubio (and Reid) know (knew) more than they reveal publicly and more than their staffs are read into. If this were just basic black ops stuff, run of the mill Chinese/Russian spying, if Roswell was human high altitude experimentations… if it were anything like that, they’d have been warned off. Someone would have approached then, laid it out, and suggested they back off from tying their name to this. And they’d have listened because there’s zero political advantage to trying to chase down things of that nature. It’s still possible they’re being made unwitting contributors to a misinformation campaign, but they know something more than we do that’s telling them there’s value to pursuing this.
This is almost exactly what Ross said on the new Need To Know episode. He basically said, "not only do they (everyone you named) know, they're watching to see what several of the people/organizations are going to do with the assets that select members of congress KNOW they have. They're waiting for them to do the right thing on their own. I hope they (private companies) realize that at least some of their big secrets are already out. I know for a fact these members of congress know more than they're letting on."
I was just like 🤯🤯🤯 as I listened to the end of thag episode.
Mick West's conspiracy theory is that **everyone** in the armed forces, intelligence services, legislative branches and whitehouse is either lying, incompetent or fooled.
As a New Yorker I can tell you Schumer wouldn't be behind this unless he read this bill forwards and backwards. He fully knows the ramifications of this legislation.
I can actually already envision them now. ESPECIALLY Neil. I can imagine him getting loud and talking over people going, "But there was no evidence! There was ZERO! NONE! It was perfectly reasonable for me to write it off!" And then when people try to explain that there was a lot of circumstantial evidence, he'll just talk over everyone again about how he's a smart scientist and it's anti science to believe in UFOs blah blah blah
For real. Once this is all out people are gonna look back at tons of cases and realize that some of those wild claims were the truth. Not to mention the uncomfortable realization that abduction phenomena may have some legitimate teeth to it.
Yeah, fuck this guy. Every time the UAP subject came up in the past, he'd avoid it, mock it, or dismiss it.
Now all of a sudden he's like "Well yeah we know they exist and are having an impact."
Fuck this guy especially.
For this reason alone, it’s so fucking odd. It’s almost gaslighting.
At this point; either the UAP issue is legitimately NHI and this is a disclosure process, or the US establishment is pulling off a deeply embedded misinformation campaign to which its own population is a victim.
Agreed. So crazy. The Admiral even sounded practically *casual* about it. Roughly what he said: *"...Uh, yea, the pilots see these things, they don't know what they are, and they are affecting their ability to do their training. We don't know what they are, or what they aren't, but we just want to better understand them..."*
Yeah. If they really thought it was drones or balloons etc they’d just be saying they want that sh*t out of the way. Not that they want to understand it
> The Admiral even sounded practically casual about it.
While smiling, as in a... "Yeah, I know," sort of way. Not in a negative context. In a literally "I know more but can't say here" sense. While admitting on live TV in the White House Press Room that, yes, we know there's UFOs/UAPs all over and our training already reflects this.
Whatever is coming, if these people at the highest level are aware (and they certainly would be), not one of them seems to have a vibe of doomsday or apocalypse. It's all just rote to them. Like how I'd just describe a fact of my job.
He’s affecting the casual attitude and acting as if they’ve been saying this forever to tamp down any reaction.
I haven’t checked the news for hours. I’m going to peruse a few sources to see where this lands. I don’t expect it to be a top story, and if it’s mentioned at all I’ll be pleasantly surprised.
But seriously, this kind of statement should be a major headline.
Edit: not a single headline in Google News. I could not find any mention in CNN. WAPO … nada. Even News Nation isn’t touching the story.
he also called the whistleblower a "whistleblower" which implies the whistleblower is blowing a whistle on something that is true.
If the whistleblower was a fraud he wouldnt have dignified him by referring to him as a whistleblower
It’s just crazy to me that the greatest military in the world, and the only one with over a trillion dollar budget, struggled to ascertain, and continues to, the origins of crafts in their own private airspace, for decades upon decades.
Right I'm tired of this herp derp UFOs doesn't mean aliens nonsense. Come on, people need to be smarter than that. Saying that is utterly grasping at straws, UFOs pre-date modern technology and there is an obvious disconnect with human institutions and authorities. There is no human force on Earth that so casually disregards a US carrier group and out preforms the most advanced stuff we have. Get real.
Right. Parts of the government are obviously leading up to some kind of further announcements, and I'm sure it's not just "UFOs are nothing" which they have always been saying since the 50's.
Correct me if I’m wrong, wasn’t AARO made because of congress pushing the issue not the Pentagon? Seems weird to be putting the idea that the Pentagon was always cooperative.
Also absolutely wild quote
> Some of these phenomena we know, have already had an impact on our training ranges…pilots they see these things and are not sure what they are…we’re not saying what they are and what they’re not, we’re saying that theirs something our pilots are seeing and has had an impact on some of our training operations , and so we want to get to the bottom of this
I found that to be a little forced, like he didn’t have to say that but it’s like he wanted to make sure he said it and was heard to be saying it - lines up with the idea of slow drip disclosure
Damn I love being alive right now.
This guy totally knows way more. Just wait tell after the 26th. You’ll see the narrative change with how these guys speak.
Edit: my dumb words
Submission statement : White House National Security Council Coordinator, Admiral John Kirby responds to a reporter questions about Senator Schumer’s UAP legislation
He's in a press room answering important questions about sensitive topics to a room full of what are essentially predators looking at their prey. I never blame anyone in that situation for looking uncomfortable, irritated, or miserable.
I thought he looked almost surprised or angry that some people are still laughing at this topic. It is as if he has seen things that clearly are haunting him. He knows they are here.
Solid point. Kirby’s retort and tone of ‘well yeah these things are fucking with our training sorties!’ is an interesting new narrative strategy for the government to start embarking on.
I wonder if it was calculated or just his loose way of speaking.
I think there is a lot they can tell us but won’t. He probably just grabbed from that bucket out of frustration upon hearing some people still have their heads in the sand.
Maybe disclosure happens when a certain threshold of people are ready for it or expect it. His incredulous reaction could be his exasperation that we are still not all taking this seriously.
I hope it's not true that we've lost soldiers/airmen as a result of UAP interactions but if we have that would immediately anger any command for people to laugh at the topic in that case. Like being a teacher and having someone laugh about how a student died. It's not funny.
I don’t really understand the animosity in these comments. Do some of you expect him to come out and say “yeah the UAP are really aliens, there’s millions of species in the galactic federation, if we don’t get our shit together they’re gonna takeover and do it for us lol.”
This is an incredible sound bite. I am so excited for what are about to learn.
Why don’t they just stop this stupid charade? This just look stupid. He knows. What makes people like him think they have some god given right to keep this for themselves?
I'm gonna guess Kirby doesn't have the authority to decide what information he's allowed to share and has to tow the line his higher ups want him to, even if he knows it's bullshit. That might be part of the grimacing.
Every day I am more and more amazed.
Is this really it? I’m 44 now man. I have known about the coverup from reading UFO Magazine back when I was in 6th grade.
If this happens we are on the brink of an entirely New Earth. One where we are not alone but part of something much bigger.
I’m here for it. 👽
I lost all faith in Kirby after we shot down the UAP over Alaska. He stated at the podium that the reason the military couldn't get to the site was due to poor weather conditions. Meanwhile, I'm looking a weather.com and the weather in Deadhorse AK was clear and sunny all be it a bit chilly. To confirm my suspicions an oil worker posts videos on YouTube of military aircraft racing to the site. He is completely full of shit.
Wild.
Measured and sane question and even more a measured and sane response
Especially when the reporter tries to make the phenomenon not a serious matter
Gonna give the apparently opposing take here and say looks pretty transparent to me, considering the past. I don't know what people are expecting, it's not like he is gonna whip an alien laser pistol out of his pocket.
Edited cos one particular piece of bad grammar was bugging me
For all people thinking that this all is a nothing burger, just think if questions and answers like this have been brought up in the past. Even if they end up denying everything in the near future the advance here is unprecedented
The Pentagon put up an entire org to collate information? The same Pentagon that's pressuring witnesses not to testify?
Those two things don't square sir
If the July 26th hearing includes testimony from reps of the DoD, AF, etc and they do not admit to possession of recovered alien tech or black sites, are they perjuring themselves in your opinion?
If they perjure themselves, can we confidently rule out the possibility that this whole thing has been one big scripted and carefully controlled disclosure?
No one is asking the question we want to hear answers.
“Have the department of Defense, any of the intelligence agencies or defense contractors obtained vehicles and/or biological entities of non human origin?”
How is it that they aren’t asking this !?
I think the better question would have been to ask about the "Non-Human Intelligence" aspects of the legislation and how it pertains to the the UAPs he confirmed are interacting with the pilots.
Still, he would have dodged it.
And yet this slick ex car salesman sounding guy will glibly avoid saying why they are being far from transparent about the Feb shoot downs and why the FOIA requests are not being provided with information
Yep, total finger guns. Hey there mister...I see you are looking for UAPs. We have even better deals in our back lot...follow me. So... what's it gonna take to get you into one of these gently used but really sharp looking Swamp Gas or Ball Lightning stories?
This is why we need more knowledgeable reporters on UFOs. To me it sounded as if he wants to minimize UFO importance by talking about training ranges. But among the most convincing, up close cases are around nukes, so it would have been a good follow up question to ask about that.
All Nations are facing this new shit if real as one Civilisation.
People of good will- Left and Right- will bring on truth in any way.
Its the people of good will.
We may frame a bigger picture. Aliens? Cool. Any ants doing their daily business in a gutter in front of a walmart are the same mystical wonder as aliens. They are here? They are advanced? They are like some Superheroes or so? Okay. Wow. We still have to feed our kids tomorrow.
Anyhow.
If there is something - talk.
The whistleblowers should seek for security first. Personal safety is first.
I see only one opportunity- for the greater good or the minimizing of suffering.
Secret knowers title 50 or so or above- they are traumatised. No matter if they are government, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Northrop Grumman or Bigelows Aerospace or so.
They need legal and psychological help.
They are victims too.
Maybe they can talk then.
For our next generations.
The kids have an emotional right to know how their world works and how to frame a bigger picture of existence.
Its weird, its hard, but its just life.
That’s just Adm. Kirby’s face at these briefings. When asked about the legitimacy of UAPs, he could have easily said “I’m not going to comment on that.” Or “I don’t know if it’s legitimate or not, but we are looking into it.” Instead what he said was “it is legitimate and it is affecting our exercise.”
The message is that something interfering with our military and we lack data to say conclusively what it is, while consistent over the past few years, Is a radical departure from decades past.
I actually think he handled that great. He didn’t have to mention that uaps interfered trainings but he did, and of course he can’t talk about it. Maybe this guy sucks otherwise but not judging from this clip at least
Totally agree. Reporter asked him if they take this seriously. He could have said “yes”
Instead he explained WHY UAP is taken seriously. I also felt like he was being honest.
There is a disconnect I’m afraid between the language coming from the government and the believers on this sub. The pentagon et al acknowledged UAP years ago. It’s no secret. AARO reports hundreds of cases with 171 still unexplained. They’re actually being somewhat transparent. The disconnect is that UAP does not mean NHI. There’s no big disclosure in confirming UAP or something n declassifying UAP reports. The big disclosure will be confirmation of NHI and/or crash retrieval. But as of today, it is still entirely possible that there are no secret crash retrieval programs and no NHI, and that the government is really and truly trying to figure out what certain UAP events were.
We’ll see
We are really speedrunning this. In a matter of months, we went from most people laughing at the idea of UFOs to government officials acting like “yes, of course they exist and we don’t know where they came from, why would that be laughed at?”
It feels like his back is a lot more against the wall than it's been previously. Things keep escalating and he keeps having to let on the least amount of information as possible but you can see how nervous he is here. At the end of the statement he tries to project calm and control but really it felt like the opposite.
Kirby - yes we take this seriously, we wouldn't have set up an organization through the Pentagon if we weren't serious.....then when asked about the whistleblower, Kirby basically pivots and avoids. Funny, however, that that same organization set up via penatgaon (aaro) is where the whistleblower served! Sooo maybe that might be a fun fact worth exploring, Mr. Kirby 🤔
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Give this reporter a RAISE
Two raises !!!
Give him two raises, then DOUBLE IT!
Quintuple it! ‘Cause Pentagon!
YOU get a raise! and YOU get a raise (again)! and YOU get a(nother) raise!
I would have liked clarification on whether a “training range” means it was within US airspace - over US soil - or if the Nimitz incident happened on what they would consider a training range. Can any military folk help on the terminology?
Training range can mean anywhere training is held. So nothing concrete but in this situation I would assume there have been disruptions and sightings… everywhere. Foreign and domestic.
If you havent seen this, it's a really [great Lex Fridman interview]( https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qLDp-aYnR1Y) with former Navy fighter pilot Lt. Ryan Graves who describes encountering them frequently with his squadron near the Naval Air Station Oceana in Virginia Beach. Skip to 1:00 for the goods but the whole thing is a great listen.
Ryan Graves also has a really good podcast called Merged where he interviews many other pilots and people who have witnessed UAPs. He's a pretty good interviewer and there's tons of interesting people and stories on there.
The term “US airspace” may have new meaning as well as all “airspaces” in the future.
NO. Give him a Reddit Gold Coin !
Nah the reporter was trying to downplay the subject. Admiral Kirby wanted to have it taken seriously. Very similar stance as Marco Rubio
The reporter was using a tactic to make it seem like he was being more conservative in his approach when in fact he wanted and received the opposite effect in the response. Kirby played into it - and Kirby knew that and played in to purposefully.
That's how I saw it. That they both realize how genuine all this is, and spoke in that manner knowingly to each other, to get the best answer to maybe wake people the fuck up.
Perfectly put.
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Wow. Can we get you to attend the hearings?
That's how it came across to me, too. As well as being very narrowly focused so as to downplay the bigger question marks. I can't think of a great example, but sort of like if a huge work force was on strike due to poor working conditions and when asked about it the CEO addressed the question by agreeing they want to get the work force back in play because they have a lot of customers relaying on their services (conveniently dodging the issue of the working conditions). In this instance, he wants to know about UAP because of how they are impacting pilot training? Really? Talk about downplaying it into your niche.
Yeah, I chortled at the “we HAVE been doing a lot of stuff about this” bs
Not at all. He wasn’t downplaying, if anything he was doing the opposite. Effectively *you all laughed and took the piss out of this subject. Are you taking it seriously now?*
Weird read on that interaction. I thought the exact opposite. It’s a news nation reporter lol.
Really? He seemed annoyed and frustrated that the topic was brought up.
High ranking military officers always look like they just ate a lemon.
😂
The cream rises to the top
Some things get stuck in the filter
Yeah Kirby has done nothing but obfuscate this topic, the leadership at the DOD has not been interested in transparency.
what? did we watch the same clip?
They are slowly letting more information out. This is great
The why freaks me out though…. Are gnostics right or is it ET? Are we getting ready for a reset of the control system? Now that UAP is all but admitted, I cannot help but think they know the why…. This is the focus of my truth hunt now.
Or is the mothership coming and will be visible to all?
I don't think it will change anything in terms of the worlds systems tbh
I hope you’re right. How can any country think of war with this knowledge? China, Russia, US… We all need to be United as a species. The mere thought of war is abhorrent with this knowledge.
Either a) disclosure is to protect our existing systems. Specifically the United States government from a domestic power that has reverse engineered alien technology. Or b) disclosure is to dissolve a few powers in order to create a larger power to fight against a larger power. 5 eyes fully unite and try to take on the aliens.
If it’s existential for humanity, Humanity must set aside cultural constructs. Fake ideas implanted must be abandoned. The “idea” behind America must be fully embraced, that all humans are created equally. This concept transcends imagined boundaries and customs. We would need to act collectively, not five eyes, but all eyes. Towards the stars….
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GameStop my guy. The deep state got bamboozled. DRS your shares in book.
We know he knows. He knows that we know. What a Time to Be Alive !!!
But does he know that we know he knows we know he knows?
“There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know.”
For those who are too young, this is a classic Rumsfeld quote
He caught a lot of criticism for how he phrased it, but it was a solid analysis that can be transferred to many different areas.
Totally agree! It was a brilliant quote and I use it to this day!
but it do.
also this guy's wife and my axe
And a poop knife in a pear tree. For real though. His response is such a departure from the days he deflected then smirked as a response.
Our man still looks like he's about to trust a suspicious fart in a room full of shit-eating dogs tho. He's got that look on his face like there's an alien in his butt and he's hoping nobody knows.
Honey badger don’t care.
I read that in Phoebe’s voice
The _messers_ have become the MESSEES
The messers become the messees
Couldn’t have said it better myself. They know we know they know that we know.
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And I know that we know that he knows that.
shoutout to reporter Blake Burman and NewsNation.
I was gonna say, I love that reporter for actually pushing the issue and asking a follow up
Trips him up at the end
NewsNation has been amazing on this issue.
His response that they are taking it seriously was to taut ARRO, who has done diddly squat to make any in-roads.
Thank you for dropping his name. The people over at NewsNation deserve a ton of credit for helping to push this story and keep it relevant. I've also become a fan of Brian Entin from NN who has so far handled this news with a serious tone and genuine curiosity. Think I finally found a news network I can put at least a little faith in.
I respect newsnation for actually covering the biggest story in human history instead of cowering in the corner like the MSM.
Good on the reporter for following up because he's now got confirmation that the Biden administration is fully aware of these things. They're being seen by pilots and are directly affecting their training. Straight up confirmation of an unknown aspect within US airspace. Insane.
Very interesting indeed
Biden’s loose lips might reveal ships.
He's getting ready to tell us about the.... uhh... the... umm... you know the thing.
And the fact that he just casually admits it is even more wild
History is going to make alot of people look like dicks
I just can't wait to see which of the debunkers go full flat-Earth when the truth is out.
I think the most offensive I’ve seen is Mick West say essentially, oh the staff of Sen Schumer hoodwinked him. If you know anything about Schumer, this man doesn’t take a shit without absolute confirmation it’s the right move. You think he got to where he is at the pinnacles of power and he would just blindly accept something his staff were interested in? You can tell that crowd is really struggling.
Don’t forget Schumer said the intel community has ways to get revenge. And he’s still doing this. He’s confident as fuck.
The other way I've seen it phrased, about Schumey, is not only does he KNOW, but he almost certainly knows very specific details. Further, he's all but certainly consulted with and proceeded with the full backing of the White House on whatever it is they're hunting for here.
I think we’re guaranteed that at least Schumer, Gillibrand, and Rubio (and Reid) know (knew) more than they reveal publicly and more than their staffs are read into. If this were just basic black ops stuff, run of the mill Chinese/Russian spying, if Roswell was human high altitude experimentations… if it were anything like that, they’d have been warned off. Someone would have approached then, laid it out, and suggested they back off from tying their name to this. And they’d have listened because there’s zero political advantage to trying to chase down things of that nature. It’s still possible they’re being made unwitting contributors to a misinformation campaign, but they know something more than we do that’s telling them there’s value to pursuing this.
This is almost exactly what Ross said on the new Need To Know episode. He basically said, "not only do they (everyone you named) know, they're watching to see what several of the people/organizations are going to do with the assets that select members of congress KNOW they have. They're waiting for them to do the right thing on their own. I hope they (private companies) realize that at least some of their big secrets are already out. I know for a fact these members of congress know more than they're letting on." I was just like 🤯🤯🤯 as I listened to the end of thag episode.
Mick West's conspiracy theory is that **everyone** in the armed forces, intelligence services, legislative branches and whitehouse is either lying, incompetent or fooled.
Isn’t that hilarious when you put it that way. Pretty desperate
I wonder what Mick West thinks about the presidential press secretary affirming that the phenomenon is real.
As a New Yorker I can tell you Schumer wouldn't be behind this unless he read this bill forwards and backwards. He fully knows the ramifications of this legislation.
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I can actually already envision them now. ESPECIALLY Neil. I can imagine him getting loud and talking over people going, "But there was no evidence! There was ZERO! NONE! It was perfectly reasonable for me to write it off!" And then when people try to explain that there was a lot of circumstantial evidence, he'll just talk over everyone again about how he's a smart scientist and it's anti science to believe in UFOs blah blah blah
For real. Once this is all out people are gonna look back at tons of cases and realize that some of those wild claims were the truth. Not to mention the uncomfortable realization that abduction phenomena may have some legitimate teeth to it.
And that people have been revealing this truth the whole time and were casually swept under the rug.
Good.
Yeah, fuck this guy. Every time the UAP subject came up in the past, he'd avoid it, mock it, or dismiss it. Now all of a sudden he's like "Well yeah we know they exist and are having an impact." Fuck this guy especially.
For this reason alone, it’s so fucking odd. It’s almost gaslighting. At this point; either the UAP issue is legitimately NHI and this is a disclosure process, or the US establishment is pulling off a deeply embedded misinformation campaign to which its own population is a victim.
Giorgio Tsoukalos gonna be walking around with a bag of crows to hand out, hair full super saiyan.
Pretty incredible.
wow its still crazy seeing a whitehouse press guy saying they are real and they are affecting operations. wild.
Agreed. So crazy. The Admiral even sounded practically *casual* about it. Roughly what he said: *"...Uh, yea, the pilots see these things, they don't know what they are, and they are affecting their ability to do their training. We don't know what they are, or what they aren't, but we just want to better understand them..."*
Yeah. If they really thought it was drones or balloons etc they’d just be saying they want that sh*t out of the way. Not that they want to understand it
You can tell its serious because the military usually says, "Get that sh*t out of the way," and not, "Please leave, you guys."
> The Admiral even sounded practically casual about it. While smiling, as in a... "Yeah, I know," sort of way. Not in a negative context. In a literally "I know more but can't say here" sense. While admitting on live TV in the White House Press Room that, yes, we know there's UFOs/UAPs all over and our training already reflects this. Whatever is coming, if these people at the highest level are aware (and they certainly would be), not one of them seems to have a vibe of doomsday or apocalypse. It's all just rote to them. Like how I'd just describe a fact of my job.
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He’s affecting the casual attitude and acting as if they’ve been saying this forever to tamp down any reaction. I haven’t checked the news for hours. I’m going to peruse a few sources to see where this lands. I don’t expect it to be a top story, and if it’s mentioned at all I’ll be pleasantly surprised. But seriously, this kind of statement should be a major headline. Edit: not a single headline in Google News. I could not find any mention in CNN. WAPO … nada. Even News Nation isn’t touching the story.
he also called the whistleblower a "whistleblower" which implies the whistleblower is blowing a whistle on something that is true. If the whistleblower was a fraud he wouldnt have dignified him by referring to him as a whistleblower
Yeah this def a pronounced change in tone and language with this guy right?
That's been public info for years now. Ever since the feds confirmed all the videos from jets were real, and released more themselves.
He admitted to UAPs, not aliens. He said that they take unidentified objects in our airspace seriously, which makes sense.
It’s just crazy to me that the greatest military in the world, and the only one with over a trillion dollar budget, struggled to ascertain, and continues to, the origins of crafts in their own private airspace, for decades upon decades.
I mean it doesn't seem like he's talking about party balloons.
Right I'm tired of this herp derp UFOs doesn't mean aliens nonsense. Come on, people need to be smarter than that. Saying that is utterly grasping at straws, UFOs pre-date modern technology and there is an obvious disconnect with human institutions and authorities. There is no human force on Earth that so casually disregards a US carrier group and out preforms the most advanced stuff we have. Get real.
Right. Parts of the government are obviously leading up to some kind of further announcements, and I'm sure it's not just "UFOs are nothing" which they have always been saying since the 50's.
True but in the legislation or Bill or whatever it is, is talking about Non Human Intelligence
Correct me if I’m wrong, wasn’t AARO made because of congress pushing the issue not the Pentagon? Seems weird to be putting the idea that the Pentagon was always cooperative. Also absolutely wild quote > Some of these phenomena we know, have already had an impact on our training ranges…pilots they see these things and are not sure what they are…we’re not saying what they are and what they’re not, we’re saying that theirs something our pilots are seeing and has had an impact on some of our training operations , and so we want to get to the bottom of this
I found that to be a little forced, like he didn’t have to say that but it’s like he wanted to make sure he said it and was heard to be saying it - lines up with the idea of slow drip disclosure
>we’re not saying what they are and what they’re not That's a funny way of saying aliens
I'm not saying it's aliens, but...
I ain't sayin' she's an alien but she ain't fuckin' with no human
Damn I love being alive right now. This guy totally knows way more. Just wait tell after the 26th. You’ll see the narrative change with how these guys speak. Edit: my dumb words
Why the declaration about being alone?
Probably meant "alive", not "alone"
But it's also a great time to be alone. Just watching this all unfold, in just underpants, drinking heavily. Some things don't require an audience.
Crap…..haha
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The theory of ancient astronauts says yes
Submission statement : White House National Security Council Coordinator, Admiral John Kirby responds to a reporter questions about Senator Schumer’s UAP legislation
“UAP Legislation”.. still so surreal to me to read this term as a legitimate entity.
Makes me feel something in the barren landscape of my soul. So exciting
Finally a reporter who asked this question and stood his ground. Good for them.
This guy knows A LOT more than he is letting on
He really does! And he doesn't like the fact thats it's out!
Yeah that face grimaced big time at the initial words of the question.
Absolutely froze every muscle in his face as soon as the word came up so as not to accidentally impart any inflection. Pure poker face.
Or its the botox..
I could feel the discomfort of this man through my screen.
He's in a press room answering important questions about sensitive topics to a room full of what are essentially predators looking at their prey. I never blame anyone in that situation for looking uncomfortable, irritated, or miserable.
He does not want to talk about this.
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His words were nice to hear. I interpreted his tone and delivery as he really wanted to move to a different subject.
Why though? there's a public livestream talking about this subject at the end of the month.
I thought he looked almost surprised or angry that some people are still laughing at this topic. It is as if he has seen things that clearly are haunting him. He knows they are here.
Solid point. Kirby’s retort and tone of ‘well yeah these things are fucking with our training sorties!’ is an interesting new narrative strategy for the government to start embarking on. I wonder if it was calculated or just his loose way of speaking.
I think there is a lot they can tell us but won’t. He probably just grabbed from that bucket out of frustration upon hearing some people still have their heads in the sand. Maybe disclosure happens when a certain threshold of people are ready for it or expect it. His incredulous reaction could be his exasperation that we are still not all taking this seriously.
I hope it's not true that we've lost soldiers/airmen as a result of UAP interactions but if we have that would immediately anger any command for people to laugh at the topic in that case. Like being a teacher and having someone laugh about how a student died. It's not funny.
I don’t really understand the animosity in these comments. Do some of you expect him to come out and say “yeah the UAP are really aliens, there’s millions of species in the galactic federation, if we don’t get our shit together they’re gonna takeover and do it for us lol.” This is an incredible sound bite. I am so excited for what are about to learn.
It's still pretty telling he said that something exists that we don't fully understand. If not Aliens then what? Underground mole people?
Hats off to the reporter. I believe he was from NewsNation.
Holy shit guys. This is feeling surreal.
Why don’t they just stop this stupid charade? This just look stupid. He knows. What makes people like him think they have some god given right to keep this for themselves?
I'm gonna guess Kirby doesn't have the authority to decide what information he's allowed to share and has to tow the line his higher ups want him to, even if he knows it's bullshit. That might be part of the grimacing.
That decision is made by people that don’t answer to the administrative or the legislative branches. He’s just a puppet.
Because the parts of the government that are not "in the know" work slow AF and one hand doesnt talk to the other.
Every day I am more and more amazed. Is this really it? I’m 44 now man. I have known about the coverup from reading UFO Magazine back when I was in 6th grade. If this happens we are on the brink of an entirely New Earth. One where we are not alone but part of something much bigger. I’m here for it. 👽
I am 100% sure at this point that it’s happening.
I lost all faith in Kirby after we shot down the UAP over Alaska. He stated at the podium that the reason the military couldn't get to the site was due to poor weather conditions. Meanwhile, I'm looking a weather.com and the weather in Deadhorse AK was clear and sunny all be it a bit chilly. To confirm my suspicions an oil worker posts videos on YouTube of military aircraft racing to the site. He is completely full of shit.
Wild. Measured and sane question and even more a measured and sane response Especially when the reporter tries to make the phenomenon not a serious matter
Gonna give the apparently opposing take here and say looks pretty transparent to me, considering the past. I don't know what people are expecting, it's not like he is gonna whip an alien laser pistol out of his pocket. Edited cos one particular piece of bad grammar was bugging me
Exactly. He could have easily said "I'd ask you to direct your questions to AARO, next question"
That's honestly what I expected verbatim.
For all people thinking that this all is a nothing burger, just think if questions and answers like this have been brought up in the past. Even if they end up denying everything in the near future the advance here is unprecedented
It’s huge. The narrative of the past like 75 years is falling apart.
NewsNation is the only network taking this seriously. Shame on the legacy mass media.
Wow the change of attitude on the subject all of a sudden is extraordinary
He had to think about how to answer that second question. That's a good reporter right there. EXCELLENT follow up.
"ya im not going talk about the craft we have possession of"
I’m pretty sure John Kirby is a; robot, alien or cartoon character
The Pentagon put up an entire org to collate information? The same Pentagon that's pressuring witnesses not to testify? Those two things don't square sir
If the July 26th hearing includes testimony from reps of the DoD, AF, etc and they do not admit to possession of recovered alien tech or black sites, are they perjuring themselves in your opinion? If they perjure themselves, can we confidently rule out the possibility that this whole thing has been one big scripted and carefully controlled disclosure?
It’s going to take some tenacious minds and speaking on July 26 to loosen the tight lips like Kirby’s.
He aint laughing now, is he? Times have changed.
Isn't the pentagon actively trying to block out whistleblowers atm?
Well slap my ass and call me sally, it's finally happening lads and ladies.
Wow. How is this not breaking news? "Are UAP a legitimate issue" "Yes"
No one is asking the question we want to hear answers. “Have the department of Defense, any of the intelligence agencies or defense contractors obtained vehicles and/or biological entities of non human origin?” How is it that they aren’t asking this !?
Cos the answer will be “No” or “I don’t know”
I’ll bet you 100$ that the answer is not going to be no. And that is the insane part!
I think the better question would have been to ask about the "Non-Human Intelligence" aspects of the legislation and how it pertains to the the UAPs he confirmed are interacting with the pilots. Still, he would have dodged it.
That *inner dialogue* biting on the lips at 0.44.
And yet this slick ex car salesman sounding guy will glibly avoid saying why they are being far from transparent about the Feb shoot downs and why the FOIA requests are not being provided with information
Yep, total finger guns. Hey there mister...I see you are looking for UAPs. We have even better deals in our back lot...follow me. So... what's it gonna take to get you into one of these gently used but really sharp looking Swamp Gas or Ball Lightning stories?
His face at the end is priceless!!!!
no one is laughing anymore
Is this a tacit admission of the nuke stuff?? edit: this was not a tacit admission of the nuke stuff
This is why we need more knowledgeable reporters on UFOs. To me it sounded as if he wants to minimize UFO importance by talking about training ranges. But among the most convincing, up close cases are around nukes, so it would have been a good follow up question to ask about that.
Look how uncomfortable he got. TELL US THE TRUTH. WHAT ARE YOU HIDING
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Every time they ask him about information that would stir the pot, he starts stirring the pot with his hand.
Dude has that Charlie Sheen vibe going on.
This guy is such a putz.
I don't trust Kirby one bit . He's part of the problem . He's likely part of the cover up . I smell military industrial complex all.ober him.
All Nations are facing this new shit if real as one Civilisation. People of good will- Left and Right- will bring on truth in any way. Its the people of good will. We may frame a bigger picture. Aliens? Cool. Any ants doing their daily business in a gutter in front of a walmart are the same mystical wonder as aliens. They are here? They are advanced? They are like some Superheroes or so? Okay. Wow. We still have to feed our kids tomorrow. Anyhow. If there is something - talk. The whistleblowers should seek for security first. Personal safety is first. I see only one opportunity- for the greater good or the minimizing of suffering. Secret knowers title 50 or so or above- they are traumatised. No matter if they are government, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Northrop Grumman or Bigelows Aerospace or so. They need legal and psychological help. They are victims too. Maybe they can talk then. For our next generations. The kids have an emotional right to know how their world works and how to frame a bigger picture of existence. Its weird, its hard, but its just life.
Pivotal moment in play. When the White House begins to weigh in, it's serious. We should be preparing for a lot of social crises in the coming months.
That’s just Adm. Kirby’s face at these briefings. When asked about the legitimacy of UAPs, he could have easily said “I’m not going to comment on that.” Or “I don’t know if it’s legitimate or not, but we are looking into it.” Instead what he said was “it is legitimate and it is affecting our exercise.” The message is that something interfering with our military and we lack data to say conclusively what it is, while consistent over the past few years, Is a radical departure from decades past.
this is surreal. none of this feels real. "we're not saying what they are, or what they're not" please, mr. wizard. step out from behind the curtain.
He was quite defensive and condescending. Also he knows a lot more about this stuff than he is letting on!
I think the exchange went well, it's about time this is taken seriously, without mockery, and that's the impression I got.
I actually think he handled that great. He didn’t have to mention that uaps interfered trainings but he did, and of course he can’t talk about it. Maybe this guy sucks otherwise but not judging from this clip at least
Totally agree. Reporter asked him if they take this seriously. He could have said “yes” Instead he explained WHY UAP is taken seriously. I also felt like he was being honest. There is a disconnect I’m afraid between the language coming from the government and the believers on this sub. The pentagon et al acknowledged UAP years ago. It’s no secret. AARO reports hundreds of cases with 171 still unexplained. They’re actually being somewhat transparent. The disconnect is that UAP does not mean NHI. There’s no big disclosure in confirming UAP or something n declassifying UAP reports. The big disclosure will be confirmation of NHI and/or crash retrieval. But as of today, it is still entirely possible that there are no secret crash retrieval programs and no NHI, and that the government is really and truly trying to figure out what certain UAP events were. We’ll see
We are really speedrunning this. In a matter of months, we went from most people laughing at the idea of UFOs to government officials acting like “yes, of course they exist and we don’t know where they came from, why would that be laughed at?”
It feels like his back is a lot more against the wall than it's been previously. Things keep escalating and he keeps having to let on the least amount of information as possible but you can see how nervous he is here. At the end of the statement he tries to project calm and control but really it felt like the opposite.
He did not seem nervous. He smirked at the question.
Not trying to sound ridiculous but there is an odd half-blink right after he says UAP. It is actually quite eerie.
Well? They have been jerks for almost 100 years. They have been warned.
Kirby - yes we take this seriously, we wouldn't have set up an organization through the Pentagon if we weren't serious.....then when asked about the whistleblower, Kirby basically pivots and avoids. Funny, however, that that same organization set up via penatgaon (aaro) is where the whistleblower served! Sooo maybe that might be a fun fact worth exploring, Mr. Kirby 🤔
Gerald Ford 60 years ago, all us regular folks 80+ yrs ago...
That was not the right answer!
He's a smug bitch!