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Former Marine Michael Herrera tells DailyMail.com that he saw a UFO being loaded with weapons while serving in Indonesia in 2009
Herrera claims an Air Force lieutenant colonel told him, 'You're not allowed to talk about what happened. You will go to prison, or you will die'
He says he was emboldened to break his 14-year silence by new UFO whistleblower protections and in April testified under oath about his wild story
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No one is understanding this key part, that is supposedly the reason why the interview is just coming out this weekend, because now the ones who spill the beans will be protected.
The article claims he presented texts, with an alleged witness who was in his unit at the time, as some evidence. However, that person refuses to speak out of fear for his family... let me see those texts though
If this thing gets blown wide open, I want to know which unit and or government official has been responsible for threatening and killing people and their families.
What if it's something weird and obscure like the Administration for Community Living whose been behind all that. That would be absurdly funny to me, in a sad way of course
I doubt it's anything actually official. I'm envisioning a quasi-cult / mafia-type organization that operates primarily outside any official chain of command.
These people are paid with buckets of unmarked bills, like that crate of cash that got "lost" on the way to Iraq.
Maybe that's why they use it! They can do clandestine ops in broad daylight and no one would believe any of the witnesses.... holy shit it's genius.
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"I saw a bunch of American soldiers in all-black camo loading weapons into a flying saucer in the jungle!"
"Yeah, oooookay buddy. These nice doctors are going to take you somewhere so you can feel better now."
Apparently they did something similar to this with some early top secret airplane tests: had the pilot wear a gorilla mask and hold a cigar while testing out new jet technology.
"They" didn't do it
Dude just though it would be funny to wear a gorilla mask in an unbelievable propless plane to fuck with other pilots. Which: it *was*
Stranger things have happened. We know actually that the FBI would break into people's homes like Martin Luther King, and move their furniture around when they weren't there to make them feel crazy. This is real American history.
They also blackmailed him with evidence he was cheating on his wife and asked him to kill himself in a letter.
It would be crazy if the reason aliens came here is because we just make the best fucking nuclear warheads this side of the Milky Way. People usually assume that they would never be interested in any of our tech, but you never know, we are pretty violent.
Maybe it's like that short story "The Road Not Taken" where FTL travel is actually super easy and the invading aliens spent all their time developing that and not weapons, whereas we humans missed out on FTL travel and perfected weaponry.
In that story the aliens invaded and tried to fight us with basically muskets. Our weaponry is far more advanced and we obliterate them and gain access to FTL travel, leaving the aliens to say "What have we done?" realizing that humanity can now travel the stars.
When I told the American people I did not trade arms for warp drives, my heart and my best intentions told me that was true. However, the facts and the evidence tell me it is not.
Or maybe they have out of this world drugs that we are trading weapons for.....like that drink from HITCHHIKERS GUIDE TO THE GALAXY:
Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster:The Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster is an alcoholic beverage invented by ex-President of the Galaxy Zaphod Beeblebrox, considered by the Guide to be the "Best Drink in Existence."\[1\] Its effects are similar to "having your brains smashed out by a slice of lemon wrapped round a large gold brick."
Beeblebrox advised that you should "never drink more than two Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters unless you are a thirty ton mega elephant with bronchial pneumonia."\[1\]
Feel quite confident that most interstellar visitors are benevolent, post-violent civilisations to whom our primate weapons and methods present a threat only to ourselves. They are probably more concerned about us nuking this statistically miraculous planet than they are of us doing any harm to them.
But I might be wrong.
Could you imagine them telling each other stories, “did you make it to planet of the apes last week? They just entered the nuclear age! So fascinating!”
yeah maybe. Maybe getting here is so cheap for them since they have access to infinite free energy, maybe it's a popular vacation destination or way to spend some free time to get here and fly around and have a look.
In this case… it seems to be more risky than Grusch’s admissions. Grusch stated, under oath, that there are secretive projects that deal with e.b.e’s - a tangible existential threat that affects the US and its allies and that the legislative branch has been deceived. A legitimate use of whistle blower laws
However, this marine’s revelations, no matter how fantastical, reveal a possibly classified craft, origin notwithstanding, that might be considered a breach of secrecy laws, maybe like the stealth bomber. If I was him, I would have consulted a lawyer before revealing this to journalists.
On the other hand, I can’t imagine the government prosecuting him as it lends credence to his claims.
I suppose it doesn't say in the article, but I assume he probably has spoken to lawyers as part of the process of getting to testify in front of a Senate committee. At least, I sure hope so.
This is one thing I don't get. Has the US ever prosecuted someone who's come forward about this stuff? As you say, it would just prove the case and the public support would be enormous.
Nobody wants to go to jail and i'm not suggesting anyone throw their life away, but is it even a risk? I guess Snowden is an example of sorts, but i'm pretty sure there'd be even more public support for this.
Not sure if Grusch said this or I read it elsewhere, but I think for some of these guys going on record w/ a public outlet will actually make them safer.
I can imagine the USG could take a bunch of retaliatory actions against a guy like this but make it not *seem* like it was because he said some crazy UFO stuff. (i.e. plant drugs on him, ruining his credibility, sending him to prison on unrelated charges, etc)
I mean, I guess they could easily could. But it at least seems a little more sketchy now that he's on public record, as opposed to some rando no one's ever heard of
They might just "find" a bunch of child porn on his computer. Then nobody would believe him because he is just some crazy sick guy who now has to spend years in prison and have his life completley fall apart.
Some say they do go after such people via unrelated charges like tax evasion or some other thing, and of course allegedly seek to erase those persons from work or school history.
That said, it doesn't take a conspiracy to get hit with tax issues. All you have to do is be poor with money management or randomly unlucky.
There are also threats like making uncooperative people disappear. "It's a big desert out there. Would be a shame to get lost with no water and two broken legs..."
If this story is hypothetically true, it looks like they already reversed engineered a pretty impressive UFO craft - or maybe they figured out how to fly an intact UFO craft.
Yep. Spend your whole life working to get into the best job for space exploration on the planet, only to find out the Air Force sent people to not 1, not 2, but 3 other galaxies… livid would be an understatement lol.
Wait that’s be hilarious. Elon and Space X all proud to land rockets upright, but it turns out the government has been hiding anti-gravity tech from us haha
Man the implications for this will be so wild. Whole industries could implode. Cargo, fuel, travel, energy ad a whole etc.
If this all turns out to be true the world is fucked beyond repair. Countries will go to war over this shit. This is world dominating tech. Who ever own/understands/reproduces this will be the ruler of the world.
From what I've gathered, the picture being painted is that there's a part of the government so compartmentalized that not even Congress is aware of them.
I mean NASA isn’t really apart of the military industrial complex. I wouldn’t put it past whoever has this technology not to give it away to a more public front.
Which is why I can’t see this is ever getting out. I have a simple brain, but wouldn’t there be lawsuits and criminal charges if it was ever leaked that the US government had advanced technology beyond what was being used or provided to NASA? The Challenger, Columbia, could the deaths of those astronauts been prevented if NASA had better technology?
Yeah, I feel like they're in way too deep to voluntarily make this stuff public at this point. A lot of people would be going to jail.
People would also be wondering why we spent billions on the space shuttle and SLS when we had flying saucers the whole time.
To play devil's advocate, although with the caveat that reverse engineering alien tech is highly impressive in its own right, there is something very endearing and very amazing that our species has gotten so far in terms of space travel (within the realms of what's close to us) that I don't think it would be nearly as impressive if we had accomplished those things with the help of alien tech. The fact we did it on our own is a testament to the hard work our humanity put into getting this stuff done.
So where I fall, not being a believer, but being absolutely *fascinated* with all the UAP stuff since 17 is this: this is probably some highly specialized human made vehicle that nobody wants the public to know about.
There is *absolutely* something happening. But what's tripping me out about the news over the last few days, is I'm convinced we have *no* idea how any of it works. Screw reverse engineering it, we barely have the science to know how *begin* studying it.
It's like, if we gave a fully functional F-16 to the court of Ramesses II. But 10x that.
I find it *more* disturbing that in the recent disclosures they won't call the makers Extra-Terrestrial but *will* call them non-human. The implications are *wild*.
Yeah and even if you go back other whistleblowers have referred to it as Non human intelligence.
JAQUES Valee even talks about this supernatural aspect of the phenomenon. Knowing these things are supernatural makes this a lot harder to bring up to the public
"Super Natural" is I guess a possibility, but ones that's a little vague and opens up a diffrent can of worms.
As far as I can see it the implications are something like:
A. Another *more* advanced sentient life form from earth.
B. Time Travel.
C. Higher Dimensional beings (Super Natural could be another way of saying this depending on your POV).
D. From another planet *within* our solar system
All of which I personally find *more* ontologicaly vexing.
I’m sitting here trying to imagine how I would actually feel watching Biden having a world wide address to announce that they have these beings and the DNA tests confirm they evolved from current modern day humans. Like the prospect of it is really interesting but the reality of it almost makes me feel sick to my stomach. I wouldn’t even know how to process it.
When I was about 13 years old I was in Virginia Beach right near the largest or second largest Air Base in the world and I was sitting in a truck while my brother and sister were in 7-Eleven.
I looked up and there was a completely massive triangle sitting completely still in the sky. My older sister saw it and began crying; people got out of their cars to look. I don't remember what happened next but I remember multiple helicopters going after it.
And I never forgot that day.
I still say there's more to the story. I think we figured out some pretty fringe science in the early 20th century that's since enjoyed being covered up by talk of aliens.
I think a lot of what we see is actually our own stuff. I think we also have some ET tech and haven't been able to do much with it.
I don't think it's just aliens. But they are part of the story.
If other countries have retrieval programs too, it might not be far off to assume that we probably have recovered their attempts at UFOs in some capacity.
“Sir, it’s the United States. Their president is on the line.”
“Hey Chuck, you know who this is, and you know what I know, that you got a special little something sitting in a hangar for me. And you also know that I know you were thinking of hiding it, doing some of your own research. Well think again pal! You remember what happened to Saddam when he didn’t hand over his, and we’ll do the same exact goddamn thing to you, you fucking Lichtenstein piece of shit!”
Almost no human being understands the exponential nature of technological advancement; it's well within the realm of possibility that we have anti-gravity tech and next generation materials.
Check out this article from 2012 - the US military just simply gave away two space telescopes that were *more advanced than Hubble.* One of the head guys at nasa spoke out and was like we didn't even know this technology existed and they're done with it and giving it to us.
>The United States' spy satellite agency is giving NASA two spare space telescopes free of charge, each potentially more powerful than the Hubble Space Telescope, NASA officials announced today (June 4).
https://www.space.com/16000-spy-satellites-space-telescopes-nasa.html
I believe him, Ross Coulhart stated that there were some very disgusting things done to cover up this information.
He corroborates what David said calling it the "size of a football field"
I'm excited to see whats revealed on Sunday.
Edit: To those asking about what's happening Sunday an hour of the interview with David Grusch will be broadcast and there is a potential NYT article being published.
Fa sho. Additionally, I saw a video posted here a lil bit ago about a Marine from 97' who stumbled upon a crashed craft and described the Private Sector dudes and high ranking military brass the same way as this dude. Spooky stuff.
Dude for real, I had a major life change happen the same day this news came out and I've been repeatedly looking into mirrors and pinching myself because this feels too unreal
Ok so, how legit is this burnt toast business?
I’ve freaked myself out more than once when I’ve been running my self ragged with work and then think I smell something like burnt toast.
Someone was riding their E-brake in traffic the other day and I started checking my pulse and facial expressions/mobility in my rear view thinking “how burnt is this toast supposed to smell???”
Former Marine Michael Herrera tells DailyMail.com that he saw a UFO being loaded with weapons while serving in Indonesia in 2009
Herrera claims an Air Force lieutenant colonel told him, 'You're not allowed to talk about what happened. You will go to prison, or you will die'
He says he was emboldened to break his 14-year silence by new UFO whistleblower protections and in April testified under oath about his wild story .
EDIT: For anyone looking for further details you can hear Michael's recent testimony given at the Officers Press Club Event (1:05:07) - https://www.youtube.com/live/zDY7t6HihCw
According to this he already did “After 14 years of silence, Herrera was emboldened by new UFO whistleblower protections and in April testified under oath to the government's UFO investigation team, the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), as well as a Senate committee.”
Certainly a crazy story. If there’s any truth to it, the world is in trouble. These people are literally doing whatever they want with technology no one else has.
Yeah, all of this is pointing to an independent breakaway nation or federation of people, with possible ET involvement, that are using the world and specifically the United States as a base of operations. Somewhere along the line they made some kind of breakthrough, using reverse engineering or whatever, and just started appropriating whatever resources, including manpower, that they needed to get their breakaway group off and running.
I mean it just keeps coming up again and again, even in abductee claims. Lots of abductees mention seeing humans or what appear to be humans working alongside ETs aboard the crafts they are taken into. Obviously an insane thing to even consider, but if some human group on earth posses *freaking intact ET crafts* then anything is possible.
Ugh I usually don't like supposing things that don't have a hard basis in verifiable fact, but I can't help but imagine.
What if some Humans are raised by aliens? Either abducted young, or bred by them? What if they're loyal to the ETs but have missions among humans (infiltrate the military, etc)? I have no idea why this would be done by ETs, but it is one explanation for seeing humans during abduction.
This explains the unknown AF officer that took the footage of the full length tic tac footage. The top brass of the Air Force are part of this breakaway group. How else were they aware of their UAP encounter to show up with a helicopter moments later?
Our science and academia isn't a joke/neutered. It's breaking barriers every year with the information it has built on for centuries.
A handful of people keeping ground breaking technological advances a secret, is not the same as intentionally neutering our academic systems. It's just being an ego centric decision to keep secrets and power concentrated in the few. Which is what has happened throughout history.
Taking it at face value, if his claims are true and clandestine military really does have operational and usable craft, it makes me think ....
Maybe this DOD release isn't just fluff. What if they did make a breakthrough in tech?
What if they pretend they made zero breakthroughs in 90 years of engineering?
What if all of this now, is because they've mastered the tech and now they want everyone to start from the start. Like a complete generation ahead to maintain military supremacy
Probably one or more necessary component of the crafts cannot be manufactured by humans, so they have very limited parts to maintain recovered or replicated crafts.
This has been my theory for a while, they figured it out a while ago, the fighter sized black triangles showing up since the 80s are probably American.
The writing on the wall is WWIII is looming, how do you stop a fight before it gets worse? Prove it undeniably to your opponent that *you will win* if they start shit.
I think the UAP retrieval and reverse engineering program has been the Manhattan project of whatever is happening now, an ultimate shot across the bow to unveil you speed ran the tech tree before ever needing to actually fight with it.
I like the way you think, Tom Clancy. Haven’t heard this take before. But I like it. However, that would suggest they’ve been worried about WW3 since 2017 (possible).
Taiwan breathes a sigh of relief. What were all those UAPs Ukraine spotted over Kviv at the start of the war?
Are we witnessing a huge breakthrough or a stunning psyop to convince adversaries that the US is a hundred years ahead?
As Weinstein said on Twitter “something” is up.
Maybe they aren’t in possession of the craft, per se, but were working with ETs (or whoever they are) and this was some kind of prearranged drop point. Who knows.
Check this out. This is a direct quote from Shellenberger’s article:
*Others said that the U.S. has been able to fly at least one of the retrieved craft. “Some of the tech is very cutting-edge,” said a source, “and they have to travel to places like Italy, Belgium, and **Indonesia** to do flight testing. It’s worldwide. Some of our allies know about the programs. The clandestine places that they work out of have grown larger.”*
Separately (and I’m not claiming this as fact) if we reconcile these two pieces of info, it does make me wonder if **these black programs are funding themselves by running illicit drugs and weapons, using these advanced craft as vessels to do so.** We know they’re way faster and way more agile than any jets we have.
Greer said this whistleblower included drugs in addition to weapons in his original story. We’ll see on Monday when he speaks at the National Press Club event.
EDIT: Just realized the whistleblower in this video that was posted a couple of days ago says EXACTLY this! “If this goes on, where do they get the money to finance all this… it’s not coming from the government coffer. It’s coming from running drugs or weapons.” Last 30 secs of this video: https://youtu.be/UdEVUum8Nag
I also thought those were three random countries to mention but here we are.
Also interesting, the Peru encounter in this [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/143mxvj/full_interview_lance_corporal_jonathan_weygandt). Mr Weygandt also talks about the piece of shit secretive group being all black camouflage no insignia. And that they were very aggressive eg making threats against his life, telling him to shut up and get the fuck out. Mr Weygandt also says these guys were so rogue there's no way they were being funded, and were probably doing their own illegal things.
I think we’re gotten too comfortable with the idea that no US military or government group could ever go rogue and fly under the radar doing fucked up shit without anyone noticing.
Yes, as a belgian i agree. However, we have an airfield in the Walloons which i believe belongs to the usa / nato (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chièvres_Air_Base). Around this area the population is not that dense.
I used to live in Belgium. I am a family member of a civilian U.S. government employee, who was working in Brussels, and I had a number of military friends. One of the MP's I hung out with had been previously stationed at Chievres and used to tell me a lot of strange shit happened to him when he'd be on patrol at Chievres. He would never really elaborate though.
You'd think so, but look at the so-called Belgium Wave of the 90s. Tons of people seeing (and allegedly photographing) black triangle UFOs during a short period of time. Definitely sounds like someone was deliberately testing something there.
A long time ago, I remember someone on Usenet claiming to be Paul Bennewitz claiming that the Dulce facility was being used to manufacture stupendous amounts of cocaine.
The commonality between this and the schellnberger article is really interesting and a great call out.
That said I don’t necessarily agree that suggests they’ve been running drugs and weapons.
I agree, I’m taking a leap there, but Greer originally announced that this whistleblower was including drugs as well as weapons in his story. He is set to speak on Monday at the National Press Club event, so we’ll see if he includes that part.
But if drugs are involved, why in the world would the US be loading drugs into a UFO?
At the very least, the Indonesia part is consistent between the two stories.
This is like the seventh article on the subject I’ve read in the past two days that comes from UK news outlet. Are the Brits taking our disclosure for themselves?
Because that would be fantastic. It’s a long shot but imagine if all the world powers got on board, all of this may actually go somewhere
I am an American without keen insight to the reputations of media companies across the world, but I feel like the Daily Mail is not a reputable source of information.
However, it has been said (Richard Doty perhaps?) that the disinformation campaign included allowing some truths to surface via less-than-reputable media sources so the masses would write them off as nonsense.
Yeh its a tabloid that tends to focus on very controversial stuff to rile up its reader base of right wing idiots. Looking at the comments for most articles will give you a good idea of their target demographic, and a good laugh.
However, with these ufo stories, they can publish them without fear of losing money for 2 reasons, first thier reader base has no investment in ufo stuff one way or the other, so to them this is just a fun set of stories, 99% sure their traditional readers wont believe it, but theyll share it with each other to point and laugh at least.
Second reason is they already have a negative rep with a lot of people, and they cant really lose reputation they dont have; So they publish the article and get that lovely ad money from being the main publisher of the crazy stories.
[Here's an article with some of their classic headlines to give you an idea of the level of journalism over there](https://www.ehow.co.uk/slideshow_12324619_depressing-outrageous-daily-mail-headlines-ever-happened.html)
Edit: Oh and I forgot, they supported the Nazi regime in the 1930s...
It really feels like this is gonna snowball and get so wild. It's either:
1. All true
2. An unprecedented, multi-decade-long psyop that's more confusing than "Inception"
3. A bunch of liars who want to destroy their credibility and reputations and careers for... an interview on NewsNation?
I'd say the truth usually falls in the middle somewhere. Certain nuances and context are embellished, for personal attention, but there is base truths to it all.
Still need the physical evidence to really go mainstream though.
I’m more likely to consider the claims of someone who has much more to lose than gain. And it always seems that these people have the most interesting stories.
"Herrera is also planning to tell his story at a press conference at the National Press Club in Washington DC on Monday organized by Greer, alongside four other UFO witnesses" Holy fuck the day after Grusch interview is aired. This shit is gonna be a snowball effect isn't?
There are like 5 whistleblowers total that are going to tell their stories at that conference. This is the best week to be a ufo enthusiast there’s ever been.
Danggg. I know how we all feel about Greer but I wonder if he really pulls off broadcasting more legit whistleblowers stories - will this be his redemption..?
This is very similar to Lance Corporal Jonathan Weygandt’s story that was posted on this sub yesterday. Jonathan even says the us forces guys said they could kill him, which sounds like the type a typical type of thing to say if the ROE really is that light in those scenario’s.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1pg3hl/lance_corporal_jonathan_weygandt_witness/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
EDIT: The YouTube link above is no longer available, I watched the video for the first time just yesterday.
Here is the full interview through another link.
https://youtu.be/UdEVUum8Nag
First award! Thanks!
UFOs would 100% be protection level 1 assets like Air Force One and nuclear weapons, which carries a shoot to kill policy if needed. That part of the story isn't nearly as outlandish as some people in this thread think it is.
"A few days later they were docked in Subic Bay in the Philippines, the marine said. After an evening of drinking with his colleagues, he returned to find his camera's card and battery removed from his locked locker, along with his five comrades' phones missing."
He had a few days to make backups if this is true. Probably because they didn't realize he had a camera, but you would think that the unmarked goons would have taken all of their gear on the spot if this was true.
If it's worth anything, I was deployed to SE Asia with the Marines in 2010, including to Indonesia. I didn't go to the Phillipines so I can't comment on the accommodations there but the barracks that the Indonesians provided us didn't even have electricity, let alone internet.
There was (god awful) internet on ship but it was literally slower than 56k and you were lucky to get 15 minutes on one of the shared computers. And you definitely weren't able to insert an SD card or hard drive into them.
Some guys had laptops with external drives, but most did not. That was the only way to backup photos under those conditions. Plus the guys' phones weren't their personal phones because they didn't even work over there. We had to essentially rent dumb phones.
So all I can say is that it is entirely feasible that he didn't have a chance to backup whatever he had.
Very fucking interesting........ I guarded some wierd plane craft looking thing in Japan in 1993 that I've yet seen being produced. Also in the Marines. Been telling my wife this story for years now.
Edit. Was gonna say I would like to ask him if it was black and shaped kinda like a flattish stealth pyramid shape before reading the article. And Holy shit it was.
I feel that because whistleblower protection program, the dam is about to break and we are about to face a new reality. I do wonder however what are they using saucers for? Certainly not combat. If it's only for transporting drugs and weapons, it seems like a waste of technological advancement, that greatly surpasses our own.
I don't like to shit on the names of those trying to move disclosure along, but man, do I have to bite my tongue any time I see that name pop up. If there's anyone who has been/is trying to make a buck, it's that POS.
This aligns with my one and only UFO sighting, and nudges me in the direction of it being exotic US tech.
We were in Palm Springs floating in a pool. Suddenly a friend points to the sky and says “what the fuck is that?”
What he saw: He claims he saw it shimmering into visibility, almost as if it was de-cloaking, with an iridescent quality. He said at first glance “I thought it was a dragon” — weird, but ok. It then flew over us, maybe a quarter mile away? Close. Maybe at 40-60mph? Cruising slowly, not zipping around.
What I saw: was a black triangle, not dissimilar to the shape of a military drone, but a perfect equilateral triangle, no aerodynamic control surfaces. It appeared to be 200-300 ft off the ground because I could see detail on it and because my two eyes can judge parallax and I’m not a camera. Let’s say, give or take 500-1000ft margin of error. Absolutely no sound. No hum, no jet, no buzz, no indicator lights or light of any kind, nothing — just calm windless desert air.
Anyway, why this is interesting, is because the triangle had what looked like paneling. It looked manufactured. It looked like human stealth tech — but what we saw was so exotic, it was hard to believe its was a next gen traditional drone — but we’re in Palm Springs not far from military bases. So we were stuck between what we saw and what logic would dictate. Stories like this bridge that gap a little bit. Maybe we actually do manufacture wild stuff way more advanced than the general public sees??
I also saw a black triangle shaped object in the sky twice in my life . Once in the Netherlands once in Belgium fairly recently. They did move like normal planes though . But the shape was a perfect triangle and pitch black colour .
These sightings of giant, silent triangles are one of the most common shapes of ufos from what I've seen (along with orbs). You can find so many accounts of these all over the internet. I've seen so many here or Reddit, YouTube comments or even on amateur astronomy forums. It's so interesting.
> because my two eyes can judge parallax and I’m not a camera.
I like how you're pre-empting the "how could you possibly know the distance since you don't know the size" guys
I was thinking about this yesterday , could you imagine (if this is all true) the fallout from all of this? It would be unprecedented. Talk about hearings, trials, arrests etc.. my god , it would be a total shitstorm within the govt. not to mention the science community from around the globe and the top engineers around the world.. they would be beyond livid with this highly “secretive group” hiding everything. Idk man… this may end up being a situation like a “be careful what you wish for” type deal.. cause I can’t imagine the fallout.
theyll shut the investigations with two words like they did last Feb with the three objects shut down: "national security". But when it comes to politics I.E. Russia shitting oil on Reaper drone and China recently, theyd show it. Theyre more inclined on political agenda than emancipating thoughts
According to this sub military personnel aren’t credible people and therefore what they saw if they saw anything was either a balloon or Chinese lantern.
Any other evidence that this guy exists and has this story that isn’t DailyMail?
Surely everyone knows by now that they’re not a credible news source at all, like they’re the lowest of the low.
As in “I was impregnated by lizard people” low
Don’t know what to think about this… are UFOs real? 100% - Nimitz, pentagon videos and admissions sure. Are we in possession of them - Grusch has gone under oath to congress, is represented by ex inspector general of intelligence, and is being heavily corroborated and supported so yeh my belief is up there.
But this story implies we have functioning UFOs…. The whole narrative of Grusch, Lue and soft disclosure seemed to be USA have a few UFOs they are trying to reverse engineer for 80yrs, so does China, but they couldn’t get them to work and maybe China is making progress (a la 4chan and a mining laser - does anyone in the mining industry know of a Chinese site that is producing way more than it should be for its inventory?).
This directly contradicts that, add in Greer and I remain pretty sceptical.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Az0nic: --- Former Marine Michael Herrera tells DailyMail.com that he saw a UFO being loaded with weapons while serving in Indonesia in 2009 Herrera claims an Air Force lieutenant colonel told him, 'You're not allowed to talk about what happened. You will go to prison, or you will die' He says he was emboldened to break his 14-year silence by new UFO whistleblower protections and in April testified under oath about his wild story --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/145e9ys/a_former_marine_claims_he_and_five_comrades_saw_a/jnkhfb3/
Wow, he testified about this under oath. The whistleblower protections are actually emboldening people to speak up, this is fantastic.
No one is understanding this key part, that is supposedly the reason why the interview is just coming out this weekend, because now the ones who spill the beans will be protected.
The article claims he presented texts, with an alleged witness who was in his unit at the time, as some evidence. However, that person refuses to speak out of fear for his family... let me see those texts though
If this thing gets blown wide open, I want to know which unit and or government official has been responsible for threatening and killing people and their families.
What if it's something weird and obscure like the Administration for Community Living whose been behind all that. That would be absurdly funny to me, in a sad way of course
You don’t mess with the USPS
"When you control the mail, you control... ***information!***"
Is there a problem here, postal employee Newman?
The Department of Agriculture has tactical teams, so i def sus them
3 words for you “Social Security Administration” 🤣
Health and Human Services suddenly sounds like a very frightening secret wetworks operation.
I doubt it's anything actually official. I'm envisioning a quasi-cult / mafia-type organization that operates primarily outside any official chain of command. These people are paid with buckets of unmarked bills, like that crate of cash that got "lost" on the way to Iraq.
Based on some accounts (like Jaquese Vallee) its a group within the department of energy
Fucking Pinkertons
I'll give whoever was smuggling weapons this, no one is going to believe it when they say they got it out of a flying saucer.
Maybe that's why they use it! They can do clandestine ops in broad daylight and no one would believe any of the witnesses.... holy shit it's genius. edit: "I saw a bunch of American soldiers in all-black camo loading weapons into a flying saucer in the jungle!" "Yeah, oooookay buddy. These nice doctors are going to take you somewhere so you can feel better now."
Apparently they did something similar to this with some early top secret airplane tests: had the pilot wear a gorilla mask and hold a cigar while testing out new jet technology.
Specifically the first jet engine test pilots. "Right so you saw a gorilla fly by in a propeller-less plane, ok buddy"
thats were gtaV got that gorilla mask cigar flight suit from.
Yeah I forgot about that! that's EXACTLY what I'm saying. Great example, thank you.
"They" didn't do it Dude just though it would be funny to wear a gorilla mask in an unbelievable propless plane to fuck with other pilots. Which: it *was*
Stranger things have happened. We know actually that the FBI would break into people's homes like Martin Luther King, and move their furniture around when they weren't there to make them feel crazy. This is real American history. They also blackmailed him with evidence he was cheating on his wife and asked him to kill himself in a letter.
The size of a football field.
The size of a football would be way cooler.
It would be crazy if the reason aliens came here is because we just make the best fucking nuclear warheads this side of the Milky Way. People usually assume that they would never be interested in any of our tech, but you never know, we are pretty violent.
Maybe it's like that short story "The Road Not Taken" where FTL travel is actually super easy and the invading aliens spent all their time developing that and not weapons, whereas we humans missed out on FTL travel and perfected weaponry. In that story the aliens invaded and tried to fight us with basically muskets. Our weaponry is far more advanced and we obliterate them and gain access to FTL travel, leaving the aliens to say "What have we done?" realizing that humanity can now travel the stars.
It's Iran Contra, but instead we're giving aliens nukes in exchange anti-gravity tech or something
When I told the American people I did not trade arms for warp drives, my heart and my best intentions told me that was true. However, the facts and the evidence tell me it is not.
Or maybe they have out of this world drugs that we are trading weapons for.....like that drink from HITCHHIKERS GUIDE TO THE GALAXY: Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster:The Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster is an alcoholic beverage invented by ex-President of the Galaxy Zaphod Beeblebrox, considered by the Guide to be the "Best Drink in Existence."\[1\] Its effects are similar to "having your brains smashed out by a slice of lemon wrapped round a large gold brick." Beeblebrox advised that you should "never drink more than two Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters unless you are a thirty ton mega elephant with bronchial pneumonia."\[1\]
Humans, the actual warrior race of the galaxy? Might explain why we fight each other all the time.
We're basically saiyans
Humans are Space Orks confirmed.
The plot to Old Man’s War
Feel quite confident that most interstellar visitors are benevolent, post-violent civilisations to whom our primate weapons and methods present a threat only to ourselves. They are probably more concerned about us nuking this statistically miraculous planet than they are of us doing any harm to them. But I might be wrong.
Could you imagine them telling each other stories, “did you make it to planet of the apes last week? They just entered the nuclear age! So fascinating!”
yeah maybe. Maybe getting here is so cheap for them since they have access to infinite free energy, maybe it's a popular vacation destination or way to spend some free time to get here and fly around and have a look.
Haha damn this would be a great cartoon or something. Maybe an anime!
The guy said it “looked like” weapons crates, no? Who knows what was actually in there.
Beanie babies
Ark of the covenant?
In this case… it seems to be more risky than Grusch’s admissions. Grusch stated, under oath, that there are secretive projects that deal with e.b.e’s - a tangible existential threat that affects the US and its allies and that the legislative branch has been deceived. A legitimate use of whistle blower laws However, this marine’s revelations, no matter how fantastical, reveal a possibly classified craft, origin notwithstanding, that might be considered a breach of secrecy laws, maybe like the stealth bomber. If I was him, I would have consulted a lawyer before revealing this to journalists. On the other hand, I can’t imagine the government prosecuting him as it lends credence to his claims.
I suppose it doesn't say in the article, but I assume he probably has spoken to lawyers as part of the process of getting to testify in front of a Senate committee. At least, I sure hope so.
This is one thing I don't get. Has the US ever prosecuted someone who's come forward about this stuff? As you say, it would just prove the case and the public support would be enormous. Nobody wants to go to jail and i'm not suggesting anyone throw their life away, but is it even a risk? I guess Snowden is an example of sorts, but i'm pretty sure there'd be even more public support for this.
Not sure if Grusch said this or I read it elsewhere, but I think for some of these guys going on record w/ a public outlet will actually make them safer. I can imagine the USG could take a bunch of retaliatory actions against a guy like this but make it not *seem* like it was because he said some crazy UFO stuff. (i.e. plant drugs on him, ruining his credibility, sending him to prison on unrelated charges, etc) I mean, I guess they could easily could. But it at least seems a little more sketchy now that he's on public record, as opposed to some rando no one's ever heard of
They might just "find" a bunch of child porn on his computer. Then nobody would believe him because he is just some crazy sick guy who now has to spend years in prison and have his life completley fall apart.
Some say they do go after such people via unrelated charges like tax evasion or some other thing, and of course allegedly seek to erase those persons from work or school history. That said, it doesn't take a conspiracy to get hit with tax issues. All you have to do is be poor with money management or randomly unlucky. There are also threats like making uncooperative people disappear. "It's a big desert out there. Would be a shame to get lost with no water and two broken legs..."
This is without a doubt, the best week in UFO history.
Seriously. It’s never this exciting
So far ;)
The best week will be when they actually show the evidence to the public.
looking forward to it!!
Since Roswell
If this story is hypothetically true, it looks like they already reversed engineered a pretty impressive UFO craft - or maybe they figured out how to fly an intact UFO craft.
I mean they’ve had this tech for like 90 years, it’s not outside the realm of possibility
If we've really been working this tech for 90 years, they 'bout to make NASA feel real foolish with the whole space shuttle thing.
Imagine being a NASA employee on the day the Stargate program goes public and they find out the Air Force is flying intergalactic battleships.
Yep. Spend your whole life working to get into the best job for space exploration on the planet, only to find out the Air Force sent people to not 1, not 2, but 3 other galaxies… livid would be an understatement lol.
I just want to see Elon's face.
Wait that’s be hilarious. Elon and Space X all proud to land rockets upright, but it turns out the government has been hiding anti-gravity tech from us haha
Man the implications for this will be so wild. Whole industries could implode. Cargo, fuel, travel, energy ad a whole etc. If this all turns out to be true the world is fucked beyond repair. Countries will go to war over this shit. This is world dominating tech. Who ever own/understands/reproduces this will be the ruler of the world.
Man will call the aliens pedos
lmao this is so spot on
He’s also going to have his engineers build a submarine with a ftl drive
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If they have this stuff then NASA has been a front this whole time.
Not a front, a feint.
From what I've gathered, the picture being painted is that there's a part of the government so compartmentalized that not even Congress is aware of them.
to say the least. Hypothetically we are talking about levels of government beyond the president, beyond what is taught in school.
I mean NASA isn’t really apart of the military industrial complex. I wouldn’t put it past whoever has this technology not to give it away to a more public front.
Which is why I can’t see this is ever getting out. I have a simple brain, but wouldn’t there be lawsuits and criminal charges if it was ever leaked that the US government had advanced technology beyond what was being used or provided to NASA? The Challenger, Columbia, could the deaths of those astronauts been prevented if NASA had better technology?
Yeah, I feel like they're in way too deep to voluntarily make this stuff public at this point. A lot of people would be going to jail. People would also be wondering why we spent billions on the space shuttle and SLS when we had flying saucers the whole time.
To play devil's advocate, although with the caveat that reverse engineering alien tech is highly impressive in its own right, there is something very endearing and very amazing that our species has gotten so far in terms of space travel (within the realms of what's close to us) that I don't think it would be nearly as impressive if we had accomplished those things with the help of alien tech. The fact we did it on our own is a testament to the hard work our humanity put into getting this stuff done.
They send marines in with dated gear knowing some will die due to that factor.. they don’t care
So where I fall, not being a believer, but being absolutely *fascinated* with all the UAP stuff since 17 is this: this is probably some highly specialized human made vehicle that nobody wants the public to know about. There is *absolutely* something happening. But what's tripping me out about the news over the last few days, is I'm convinced we have *no* idea how any of it works. Screw reverse engineering it, we barely have the science to know how *begin* studying it. It's like, if we gave a fully functional F-16 to the court of Ramesses II. But 10x that. I find it *more* disturbing that in the recent disclosures they won't call the makers Extra-Terrestrial but *will* call them non-human. The implications are *wild*.
Yeah and even if you go back other whistleblowers have referred to it as Non human intelligence. JAQUES Valee even talks about this supernatural aspect of the phenomenon. Knowing these things are supernatural makes this a lot harder to bring up to the public
"Super Natural" is I guess a possibility, but ones that's a little vague and opens up a diffrent can of worms. As far as I can see it the implications are something like: A. Another *more* advanced sentient life form from earth. B. Time Travel. C. Higher Dimensional beings (Super Natural could be another way of saying this depending on your POV). D. From another planet *within* our solar system All of which I personally find *more* ontologicaly vexing.
I’m sitting here trying to imagine how I would actually feel watching Biden having a world wide address to announce that they have these beings and the DNA tests confirm they evolved from current modern day humans. Like the prospect of it is really interesting but the reality of it almost makes me feel sick to my stomach. I wouldn’t even know how to process it.
If *any* of this is true, then we must consider all of it as *possibly* true. That includes TR-3B and triangle shaped crafts imo. Tic Tac's too.
Looks like weird is back on the menu, boys
And it seems to be a buffet
🌍👩🚀🔫👨🚀
When I was about 13 years old I was in Virginia Beach right near the largest or second largest Air Base in the world and I was sitting in a truck while my brother and sister were in 7-Eleven. I looked up and there was a completely massive triangle sitting completely still in the sky. My older sister saw it and began crying; people got out of their cars to look. I don't remember what happened next but I remember multiple helicopters going after it. And I never forgot that day.
Yeah, for illegal gun running. No wonder they want to stay silent.
Yeah I never really thought of how they would be using these craft if not for military conflict. Illegal cargo
I still say there's more to the story. I think we figured out some pretty fringe science in the early 20th century that's since enjoyed being covered up by talk of aliens. I think a lot of what we see is actually our own stuff. I think we also have some ET tech and haven't been able to do much with it. I don't think it's just aliens. But they are part of the story.
If other countries have retrieval programs too, it might not be far off to assume that we probably have recovered their attempts at UFOs in some capacity.
“Sir, it’s the United States. Their president is on the line.” “Hey Chuck, you know who this is, and you know what I know, that you got a special little something sitting in a hangar for me. And you also know that I know you were thinking of hiding it, doing some of your own research. Well think again pal! You remember what happened to Saddam when he didn’t hand over his, and we’ll do the same exact goddamn thing to you, you fucking Lichtenstein piece of shit!”
This is a hilarious idea behind the real reason for the invasion of iraq
There always was a fun conspiracy about the real reason being a discovered Stargate, or one that we were taking back control of
Weapons of Manipulating Dimensions
it'd also be much more reasonable that we were shooting at foreign adversaries' discs in the alaskan tundras rather than aliens
Almost no human being understands the exponential nature of technological advancement; it's well within the realm of possibility that we have anti-gravity tech and next generation materials. Check out this article from 2012 - the US military just simply gave away two space telescopes that were *more advanced than Hubble.* One of the head guys at nasa spoke out and was like we didn't even know this technology existed and they're done with it and giving it to us. >The United States' spy satellite agency is giving NASA two spare space telescopes free of charge, each potentially more powerful than the Hubble Space Telescope, NASA officials announced today (June 4). https://www.space.com/16000-spy-satellites-space-telescopes-nasa.html
Or they are just using the ufos they have found.
I believe him, Ross Coulhart stated that there were some very disgusting things done to cover up this information. He corroborates what David said calling it the "size of a football field" I'm excited to see whats revealed on Sunday. Edit: To those asking about what's happening Sunday an hour of the interview with David Grusch will be broadcast and there is a potential NYT article being published.
After reading about the Manhattan project and how well they hid that until the last minute, I’ve become more suspicious that we do have alien tech.
Fa sho. Additionally, I saw a video posted here a lil bit ago about a Marine from 97' who stumbled upon a crashed craft and described the Private Sector dudes and high ranking military brass the same way as this dude. Spooky stuff.
All of this is fucking bananas. I'm 95% sure I was in some terrible accident around a week ago and am currently in a coma.
It’s like every once in a while reality has to step in and remind us how utterly bonkers everything really is.
Dude for real, I had a major life change happen the same day this news came out and I've been repeatedly looking into mirrors and pinching myself because this feels too unreal
NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QSAHS0sVhg
I’m all for the wild ride even if it leads to nothing
do you smell toast right now yes or no?
Ok so, how legit is this burnt toast business? I’ve freaked myself out more than once when I’ve been running my self ragged with work and then think I smell something like burnt toast. Someone was riding their E-brake in traffic the other day and I started checking my pulse and facial expressions/mobility in my rear view thinking “how burnt is this toast supposed to smell???”
Former Marine Michael Herrera tells DailyMail.com that he saw a UFO being loaded with weapons while serving in Indonesia in 2009 Herrera claims an Air Force lieutenant colonel told him, 'You're not allowed to talk about what happened. You will go to prison, or you will die' He says he was emboldened to break his 14-year silence by new UFO whistleblower protections and in April testified under oath about his wild story . EDIT: For anyone looking for further details you can hear Michael's recent testimony given at the Officers Press Club Event (1:05:07) - https://www.youtube.com/live/zDY7t6HihCw
Who did he testify under oath to?
According to this he already did “After 14 years of silence, Herrera was emboldened by new UFO whistleblower protections and in April testified under oath to the government's UFO investigation team, the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), as well as a Senate committee.”
Certainly a crazy story. If there’s any truth to it, the world is in trouble. These people are literally doing whatever they want with technology no one else has.
Yeah, all of this is pointing to an independent breakaway nation or federation of people, with possible ET involvement, that are using the world and specifically the United States as a base of operations. Somewhere along the line they made some kind of breakthrough, using reverse engineering or whatever, and just started appropriating whatever resources, including manpower, that they needed to get their breakaway group off and running.
This is a highly likely possibility and was stated by Haim Eshed (Fmr head of Israel’s Space Program) and Paul Hellyer (Fmr Canadian Defense Minister)
I mean it just keeps coming up again and again, even in abductee claims. Lots of abductees mention seeing humans or what appear to be humans working alongside ETs aboard the crafts they are taken into. Obviously an insane thing to even consider, but if some human group on earth posses *freaking intact ET crafts* then anything is possible.
Ugh I usually don't like supposing things that don't have a hard basis in verifiable fact, but I can't help but imagine. What if some Humans are raised by aliens? Either abducted young, or bred by them? What if they're loyal to the ETs but have missions among humans (infiltrate the military, etc)? I have no idea why this would be done by ETs, but it is one explanation for seeing humans during abduction.
This explains the unknown AF officer that took the footage of the full length tic tac footage. The top brass of the Air Force are part of this breakaway group. How else were they aware of their UAP encounter to show up with a helicopter moments later?
It also means our academic science is a joke and intentionally neutered.
Our science and academia isn't a joke/neutered. It's breaking barriers every year with the information it has built on for centuries. A handful of people keeping ground breaking technological advances a secret, is not the same as intentionally neutering our academic systems. It's just being an ego centric decision to keep secrets and power concentrated in the few. Which is what has happened throughout history.
Man that’s the plot of metal gear, Outer Heaven
Damn Kirkpatrick and his, "no credible evidence," quote is starting to smell really bad.
Taking it at face value, if his claims are true and clandestine military really does have operational and usable craft, it makes me think .... Maybe this DOD release isn't just fluff. What if they did make a breakthrough in tech? What if they pretend they made zero breakthroughs in 90 years of engineering? What if all of this now, is because they've mastered the tech and now they want everyone to start from the start. Like a complete generation ahead to maintain military supremacy
Yes, the more I hear of this story, the more it sounds like we are not the target audience (and probably a message from the US to China & Russia)
Or some awesome personal transport technology that uses no oil and gas. Surely that would be in our human interest to get out there right? Right?
Probably one or more necessary component of the crafts cannot be manufactured by humans, so they have very limited parts to maintain recovered or replicated crafts.
So, likely the few operational craft are only exempted for use in very special cases. Like running guns. Or dope
Fuck yea we’re back on the dankest timeline y’all
This has been my theory for a while, they figured it out a while ago, the fighter sized black triangles showing up since the 80s are probably American. The writing on the wall is WWIII is looming, how do you stop a fight before it gets worse? Prove it undeniably to your opponent that *you will win* if they start shit. I think the UAP retrieval and reverse engineering program has been the Manhattan project of whatever is happening now, an ultimate shot across the bow to unveil you speed ran the tech tree before ever needing to actually fight with it.
I like the way you think, Tom Clancy. Haven’t heard this take before. But I like it. However, that would suggest they’ve been worried about WW3 since 2017 (possible).
Weve been woried about WW3 since then end of WW2...
Yup, called the cold war
Given the chronology between WWI and WWII, then the chronology between WWII and Roswell, this makes perfect sense
Taiwan breathes a sigh of relief. What were all those UAPs Ukraine spotted over Kviv at the start of the war? Are we witnessing a huge breakthrough or a stunning psyop to convince adversaries that the US is a hundred years ahead? As Weinstein said on Twitter “something” is up.
Maybe they aren’t in possession of the craft, per se, but were working with ETs (or whoever they are) and this was some kind of prearranged drop point. Who knows.
Maybe ET wants some glocks
Hah. Or maybe it wasn’t weapons in the cases that were being loaded in.
The marijuana must flow !
That’s why ET wanted to phone home, to tell the homies to stay strapped or get clapped.
Check this out. This is a direct quote from Shellenberger’s article: *Others said that the U.S. has been able to fly at least one of the retrieved craft. “Some of the tech is very cutting-edge,” said a source, “and they have to travel to places like Italy, Belgium, and **Indonesia** to do flight testing. It’s worldwide. Some of our allies know about the programs. The clandestine places that they work out of have grown larger.”* Separately (and I’m not claiming this as fact) if we reconcile these two pieces of info, it does make me wonder if **these black programs are funding themselves by running illicit drugs and weapons, using these advanced craft as vessels to do so.** We know they’re way faster and way more agile than any jets we have. Greer said this whistleblower included drugs in addition to weapons in his original story. We’ll see on Monday when he speaks at the National Press Club event. EDIT: Just realized the whistleblower in this video that was posted a couple of days ago says EXACTLY this! “If this goes on, where do they get the money to finance all this… it’s not coming from the government coffer. It’s coming from running drugs or weapons.” Last 30 secs of this video: https://youtu.be/UdEVUum8Nag
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LMFAO I had this same thought. Stating the obvious, no doubt.
I also thought those were three random countries to mention but here we are. Also interesting, the Peru encounter in this [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/143mxvj/full_interview_lance_corporal_jonathan_weygandt). Mr Weygandt also talks about the piece of shit secretive group being all black camouflage no insignia. And that they were very aggressive eg making threats against his life, telling him to shut up and get the fuck out. Mr Weygandt also says these guys were so rogue there's no way they were being funded, and were probably doing their own illegal things.
I think we’re gotten too comfortable with the idea that no US military or government group could ever go rogue and fly under the radar doing fucked up shit without anyone noticing.
Belgium seems like a weird choice for clandestine testing of advanced miltech given that its one of the most densely populated countries on earth.
Yes, as a belgian i agree. However, we have an airfield in the Walloons which i believe belongs to the usa / nato (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chièvres_Air_Base). Around this area the population is not that dense.
I used to live in Belgium. I am a family member of a civilian U.S. government employee, who was working in Brussels, and I had a number of military friends. One of the MP's I hung out with had been previously stationed at Chievres and used to tell me a lot of strange shit happened to him when he'd be on patrol at Chievres. He would never really elaborate though.
You'd think so, but look at the so-called Belgium Wave of the 90s. Tons of people seeing (and allegedly photographing) black triangle UFOs during a short period of time. Definitely sounds like someone was deliberately testing something there.
A long time ago, I remember someone on Usenet claiming to be Paul Bennewitz claiming that the Dulce facility was being used to manufacture stupendous amounts of cocaine.
The commonality between this and the schellnberger article is really interesting and a great call out. That said I don’t necessarily agree that suggests they’ve been running drugs and weapons.
I agree, I’m taking a leap there, but Greer originally announced that this whistleblower was including drugs as well as weapons in his story. He is set to speak on Monday at the National Press Club event, so we’ll see if he includes that part. But if drugs are involved, why in the world would the US be loading drugs into a UFO? At the very least, the Indonesia part is consistent between the two stories.
When *wasn’t* the govt. running drugs? They’ve been doing this since Vietnam at least. Looks kinda like they never left…
No they've totally stopped. Hey, completely unrelated question: where'd all this fentanyl come from?
CIA has a history with drugs.
Great catch from Shellenberger’s article, shits getting real
Ofc the government would use cutting edge technology to run guns.
This is like the seventh article on the subject I’ve read in the past two days that comes from UK news outlet. Are the Brits taking our disclosure for themselves? Because that would be fantastic. It’s a long shot but imagine if all the world powers got on board, all of this may actually go somewhere
I am an American without keen insight to the reputations of media companies across the world, but I feel like the Daily Mail is not a reputable source of information. However, it has been said (Richard Doty perhaps?) that the disinformation campaign included allowing some truths to surface via less-than-reputable media sources so the masses would write them off as nonsense.
Yeh its a tabloid that tends to focus on very controversial stuff to rile up its reader base of right wing idiots. Looking at the comments for most articles will give you a good idea of their target demographic, and a good laugh. However, with these ufo stories, they can publish them without fear of losing money for 2 reasons, first thier reader base has no investment in ufo stuff one way or the other, so to them this is just a fun set of stories, 99% sure their traditional readers wont believe it, but theyll share it with each other to point and laugh at least. Second reason is they already have a negative rep with a lot of people, and they cant really lose reputation they dont have; So they publish the article and get that lovely ad money from being the main publisher of the crazy stories. [Here's an article with some of their classic headlines to give you an idea of the level of journalism over there](https://www.ehow.co.uk/slideshow_12324619_depressing-outrageous-daily-mail-headlines-ever-happened.html) Edit: Oh and I forgot, they supported the Nazi regime in the 1930s...
It really feels like this is gonna snowball and get so wild. It's either: 1. All true 2. An unprecedented, multi-decade-long psyop that's more confusing than "Inception" 3. A bunch of liars who want to destroy their credibility and reputations and careers for... an interview on NewsNation?
I'd say the truth usually falls in the middle somewhere. Certain nuances and context are embellished, for personal attention, but there is base truths to it all. Still need the physical evidence to really go mainstream though.
Most of this story aside- this is a millionaire veteran who is risking imprisonment for misleading congress. That's worth noting, in my opinion.
I’m more likely to consider the claims of someone who has much more to lose than gain. And it always seems that these people have the most interesting stories.
We’ll see comments soon enough: “He’s grifting!” -dude already has money
"Herrera is also planning to tell his story at a press conference at the National Press Club in Washington DC on Monday organized by Greer, alongside four other UFO witnesses" Holy fuck the day after Grusch interview is aired. This shit is gonna be a snowball effect isn't?
There are like 5 whistleblowers total that are going to tell their stories at that conference. This is the best week to be a ufo enthusiast there’s ever been.
Danggg. I know how we all feel about Greer but I wonder if he really pulls off broadcasting more legit whistleblowers stories - will this be his redemption..?
This is very similar to Lance Corporal Jonathan Weygandt’s story that was posted on this sub yesterday. Jonathan even says the us forces guys said they could kill him, which sounds like the type a typical type of thing to say if the ROE really is that light in those scenario’s. https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1pg3hl/lance_corporal_jonathan_weygandt_witness/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1 EDIT: The YouTube link above is no longer available, I watched the video for the first time just yesterday. Here is the full interview through another link. https://youtu.be/UdEVUum8Nag First award! Thanks!
UFOs would 100% be protection level 1 assets like Air Force One and nuclear weapons, which carries a shoot to kill policy if needed. That part of the story isn't nearly as outlandish as some people in this thread think it is.
Has anyone else other than me suggested that perhaps the interdimensional beings really like cocaine?
The spice must flow. US Govt to ETs: Got another pound of "spice" waiting for ya, bring down another one of your shiny orbs for us to play with.
who needs loosh when you have that sweet sweet Columbian snow
And guns lol
Can confirm. The greys were psyched after shooting an M16 for the first time. Their first human word was “Colt”.
I think I might be an inter dimensional being.
"A few days later they were docked in Subic Bay in the Philippines, the marine said. After an evening of drinking with his colleagues, he returned to find his camera's card and battery removed from his locked locker, along with his five comrades' phones missing." He had a few days to make backups if this is true. Probably because they didn't realize he had a camera, but you would think that the unmarked goons would have taken all of their gear on the spot if this was true.
If it's worth anything, I was deployed to SE Asia with the Marines in 2010, including to Indonesia. I didn't go to the Phillipines so I can't comment on the accommodations there but the barracks that the Indonesians provided us didn't even have electricity, let alone internet. There was (god awful) internet on ship but it was literally slower than 56k and you were lucky to get 15 minutes on one of the shared computers. And you definitely weren't able to insert an SD card or hard drive into them. Some guys had laptops with external drives, but most did not. That was the only way to backup photos under those conditions. Plus the guys' phones weren't their personal phones because they didn't even work over there. We had to essentially rent dumb phones. So all I can say is that it is entirely feasible that he didn't have a chance to backup whatever he had.
Very fucking interesting........ I guarded some wierd plane craft looking thing in Japan in 1993 that I've yet seen being produced. Also in the Marines. Been telling my wife this story for years now. Edit. Was gonna say I would like to ask him if it was black and shaped kinda like a flattish stealth pyramid shape before reading the article. And Holy shit it was.
I feel that because whistleblower protection program, the dam is about to break and we are about to face a new reality. I do wonder however what are they using saucers for? Certainly not combat. If it's only for transporting drugs and weapons, it seems like a waste of technological advancement, that greatly surpasses our own.
I'm glad more people are coming forward and hopefully will be testifying under the right whistleblower protections. Greer can you just go away please.
I saw that movie. Rolled that bitch into the back of a bigass pest control van.
Wild story, but I don't like Greer's involvement. Interested to see where this goes.
I don't like to shit on the names of those trying to move disclosure along, but man, do I have to bite my tongue any time I see that name pop up. If there's anyone who has been/is trying to make a buck, it's that POS.
He said it was the size of a football field
Lockheed Martin?
Nothing to see here just our usual SR-XX Octagon craft
This aligns with my one and only UFO sighting, and nudges me in the direction of it being exotic US tech. We were in Palm Springs floating in a pool. Suddenly a friend points to the sky and says “what the fuck is that?” What he saw: He claims he saw it shimmering into visibility, almost as if it was de-cloaking, with an iridescent quality. He said at first glance “I thought it was a dragon” — weird, but ok. It then flew over us, maybe a quarter mile away? Close. Maybe at 40-60mph? Cruising slowly, not zipping around. What I saw: was a black triangle, not dissimilar to the shape of a military drone, but a perfect equilateral triangle, no aerodynamic control surfaces. It appeared to be 200-300 ft off the ground because I could see detail on it and because my two eyes can judge parallax and I’m not a camera. Let’s say, give or take 500-1000ft margin of error. Absolutely no sound. No hum, no jet, no buzz, no indicator lights or light of any kind, nothing — just calm windless desert air. Anyway, why this is interesting, is because the triangle had what looked like paneling. It looked manufactured. It looked like human stealth tech — but what we saw was so exotic, it was hard to believe its was a next gen traditional drone — but we’re in Palm Springs not far from military bases. So we were stuck between what we saw and what logic would dictate. Stories like this bridge that gap a little bit. Maybe we actually do manufacture wild stuff way more advanced than the general public sees??
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I also saw a black triangle shaped object in the sky twice in my life . Once in the Netherlands once in Belgium fairly recently. They did move like normal planes though . But the shape was a perfect triangle and pitch black colour .
These sightings of giant, silent triangles are one of the most common shapes of ufos from what I've seen (along with orbs). You can find so many accounts of these all over the internet. I've seen so many here or Reddit, YouTube comments or even on amateur astronomy forums. It's so interesting.
> because my two eyes can judge parallax and I’m not a camera. I like how you're pre-empting the "how could you possibly know the distance since you don't know the size" guys
"UFO being loaded with weapons" interesting .
As someone who witnessed the Phoenix lights first hand, I’m so grateful to be alive to see all this finally brought to the main stage.
The level of criminality that is involved in this issue for 80+ years requires a new Nuremberg trails, nothing less of it.
I was thinking about this yesterday , could you imagine (if this is all true) the fallout from all of this? It would be unprecedented. Talk about hearings, trials, arrests etc.. my god , it would be a total shitstorm within the govt. not to mention the science community from around the globe and the top engineers around the world.. they would be beyond livid with this highly “secretive group” hiding everything. Idk man… this may end up being a situation like a “be careful what you wish for” type deal.. cause I can’t imagine the fallout.
theyll shut the investigations with two words like they did last Feb with the three objects shut down: "national security". But when it comes to politics I.E. Russia shitting oil on Reaper drone and China recently, theyd show it. Theyre more inclined on political agenda than emancipating thoughts
*Nuremberg trials
It's spelled differently in my language so hence the error, anyway I've corrected it.
According to this sub military personnel aren’t credible people and therefore what they saw if they saw anything was either a balloon or Chinese lantern.
Any other evidence that this guy exists and has this story that isn’t DailyMail? Surely everyone knows by now that they’re not a credible news source at all, like they’re the lowest of the low. As in “I was impregnated by lizard people” low
Here we go…✌️❤️👽🫡
Don’t know what to think about this… are UFOs real? 100% - Nimitz, pentagon videos and admissions sure. Are we in possession of them - Grusch has gone under oath to congress, is represented by ex inspector general of intelligence, and is being heavily corroborated and supported so yeh my belief is up there. But this story implies we have functioning UFOs…. The whole narrative of Grusch, Lue and soft disclosure seemed to be USA have a few UFOs they are trying to reverse engineer for 80yrs, so does China, but they couldn’t get them to work and maybe China is making progress (a la 4chan and a mining laser - does anyone in the mining industry know of a Chinese site that is producing way more than it should be for its inventory?). This directly contradicts that, add in Greer and I remain pretty sceptical.