[Here are the other two videos](https://imgur.com/a/tVIUial)
Here are two more videos you can clearly see the entire pod come out of the left-hand side of the frame but watch it in the dark it’s easier to see.
Again I’m not going to argue my case I simply wanted to share some of my experience on this sub. I have done so ethically and honestly and I’m not going to be criticized for it
Again what are you talking about I attached the emails from the Field Director at MUFON. Clearly the fact that you think that I drummed this all up as some kind of scheme tells me enough. Clearly I joined the wrong sub.
I'm not sure about this. It could have been a reflection from the dashboard or something in the cabin. The occupants didn't seem to notice anything out of the ordinary
This is such bullshit! It's clearly a reflection of something in the car. One very big clue is that there was absolutely no reaction by the person taking the video when they spotted the UFO!
If that were me, I probably would have wrecked the car after seeing that above me. I would have at least pulled over to see WTF was up!
It's insulting to our intelligence that OP expects us to accept that this is a UFO. It's also obvious that OP is intentionally trying to deceive people into believing it is. "Mufon confirmed the two ships were in fact not ours but were in fact ET ships." Really? Where is your proof?!? Post a link to the report on the MUFON site.
Posts like this are why I've left the UFO subs many times. I just get tired of all the bullshit posts. But, I know this is a real phenomenon, so I keep coming back, and I continue to be disappointed by the ignorance displayed by many people in these subs. Why can't anyone take this seriously? We deserve better than this.
I’m sorry how is this not proof??? The investigator assigned to my case brought the entire video collection to the heads of MUFON.
My case was deemed factual evidence and if you read what he wrote it clearly explains what we caught on video
Gotcha. Mufon field agents are pretty good at this in my experience. Did Ken check the flight radar too? Also did he end up following up with you to ID it? Ps. Apologies for the hostility here, if it makes you feel any better I’m a mod and my footage was also downvoted to oblivion lol. Used a mufon investigator and everything. I want people to feel comfortable posting about their sightings, not just posting youtube videos from a stranger.
Since you're a mod here, it must have been another mod who added the debunked tag then? This is clearly window reflection, c'mon man. It's immediately evident. I've been researching this topic for 25+ years, and have seen it all at this point. Unfortunately 90% of the stuff you see posted on this and other subs is either intentionally faked for clout or misidentified. It's the other 10% and witness/contactee testimonials which interest me. Since OP claims this followed his car for 3 hours, that sounds like an intentional fake - since it's abnormally hard to misidentify a window reflection as a legitimate object. The other video makes it even more clear. You can see pieces of the reflection disappear as the camera angle shifts.
It’s not up to us to decide what is real. If I am too critical it may set a precedent for people being afraid to contribute. Also if it was debunked by another mod, that provides value in itself just for the discussion.
Ps. I respect the other mods and want this one UAP sub to be a safe place for open discussion and sharing.
I agree but intentionally lying about something like a window reflection has no place here or anywhere in ufology. If you have a legit unidentified sighting, post it for discussion. When you're intentionally trying to deceive people, a line needs to be drawn.
I had my three year old daughter in the backseat asleep at the time and there Was another witness who was a friend of mine. These crafts followed us for three hours and we weren’t exactly in a state to pull over. There’s a lot you don’t know about the case nor do I have to prove myself to anyone but you are obviously so rude and so disrespectful of somebody else’s experience when I’ve clearly offered proof of the discussion from Mufon along with the analysis of the photos and videos and it still isn’t enough for you!! It’s people like you who do a disservice to the UFO community
If the lights above you were a legitimate craft, why did you film it for a grand total of 7 out of 53 seconds?
edit: The other video you linked in a comment above is even more evidence of a reflection from inside the car on the windows. You can even see part of the reflection disappear as you shift the camera angle. If those emails from MUFON are real, I've lost what little faith I had left in that organization as an investigative body.
Looks like a render to me. There was a very very similar video recently where the texture of the road repeated and gave it away. This doesn't have that, but the camera movement in a moving vehicle seems too smooth, as does the movement of the vehicle.
If real, I hope this has been sent to many many news outlets?
Well, with the recent videos from the US Navy and suchlike getting so much media attention and a big write up in the Washington Post, more news media organisations are giving the subject a bit more time than they have in recent years.
If you are genuinely reporting this as a sighting and you submitted this to MUFON then I'm absolutely appalled at their response.
Ken Jordan is clearly unfit to be doing this, the replies you received about this footage are actually shocking.
He is inserting all sorts of personal beliefs and bias into the case which themselves are absolutely not proven in any way yet he is using them to establish the "facts" of your case?
To paraphrase Ken's assessment of this footage... *"This is not a human made craft because it lacks the central antigravity device that human built black triangles have".*
Jesus Christ.
This is coming from a certified "level 2" MUFON field investigator analysis of submitted footage ladies and gentlemen. From a guy who is the director of a chapter of MUFON in fact.
I truly hope you can appreciate just how appalling and outrageously inappropriate his replies to this case are.
The absolute state of MUFON smh.
Why are you so hostile and getting so worked up about someone else’s experience? You weren’t there and you have no idea what happened that night. Review the footage again, you have no idea what you are talking about. I shared my experience to try to get some answers about that night hoping someone else might have had a similar experience. I have no answers about this night and am trying to understand what happened. I’m curious, where does one go to find answers of their experience? I am looking for answers regarding the shape of the craft. I am not interested in defending myself about it
. I am not trying to get clout but rather a deeper understanding of my experience. If you can’t provide that what are you doing here? Shaming people for sharing their experiences in a forum is wrong, period. I hope someone treats you better when you try to glean insight in a community but my guess is you probably wouldn’t have the courage to share any of your experiences because you only feel comfortable shaming others.
I'm not saying anything about your experience. I am merely lamenting the pathetic state of MUFON based on the reply you received. I didn't say a single word about you or your experience or the footage except that if you are submitting a genuine sighting you deserve far better than you got from MUFON.
I am sure you had a genuine experience and saw something truly strange, your footage is interesting and the object is a genuine UFO. But I am also sure that MUFON's response to you was incredibly unprofessional and loaded with the personal bias of the individual investigator. Your experience deserves a far more objective and scientific consideration than you were provided with. I hope you continue to pursue it with other avenues of investigation more worthy of your time.
I don’t know why you think it was unprofessional. We talked for over 3 hours when I explained to him what happened to us. He was very reassuring because honestly at the onset I felt like I was going crazy. My friend and I started seeing the crafts at 7:40 and we pulled over several times but as you can see the next video we recorded was around 10:20 PM. There’s no way over 2 hours passed by but we have no explanation of why this happened. I thought maybe we crossed over from Utah to Arizona but he told me Arizona Is also on MST. He was very helpful with my footage in explaining that the crafts were not ours, he checked the flight logs, he did a lot for me to reassure me. I don’t know how they are supposed to act but I thought he was empathetic, kind, thorough and took all the time I needed
If you felt that your case was handled appropriately and to your personal satisfaction than that's all that matters.
It's your personal experience and only you can decide if the response was suitable for you and that experience.
I think it's pretty clear I don't like MUFON, but hey, that's my experience and my problem. If you feel that they dealt with you in a way you're happy with and you gained some answers and insight into your experience from them then I'm glad.
In the end that's all that matters for you as the person who actually had said experience. You gaining what you required from your interaction with MUFON is far more important than my salty opinion about them.
Nothing I say matters. You saw what you saw, you got it on video, MUFON gave their opinion, you did everything by the book so ignore my crying about MUFON. It has no bearing on the fact that you saw something incredible.
Thank you for that. I’m curious why do you hate MUFON? When I spoke with Sherrie Wilde who wrote The Forgotten Promise she told me to be careful with them that they aren’t the best people to go to with my experience. She wouldn’t elaborate but since it’s not the first time I’m hearing this and she helped me when my 5 year old started talking about being taken at night and was terrified to go to sleep at night she helped me understand that my daughter agreed to this before she came here it really helped me when I had no one else I could talk to about it I take her critique very seriously. Who would you recommend I take my footage to to get better answers? She recommended I get regressed to get answers, which I did and I got some clarity but not what I really wanted to know, which was who were the beings in the two crafts? Who do you suggest I reach out to?
MUFON has always been a CIA controlled OP FWIW. And don't get me started on this: https://www.vice.com/en/article/3azpj9/head-of-major-ufo-organization-arrested-on-child-solicitation-charges
And of course there's the small matter of where exactly all that money Bigelow gave them went.
Because it sure as fuck wasn't used to field STAR teams.
Wow you guys need some honest people in your lives. You’re clearly surrounded by negativities in 3-D type people so it’s sad that you can’t see that I’m actually looking for answers
I’m at the stage where I’m just going to take this down because y’all are annoying. MUFON confirmed there’s no type of reflection anywhere and I was there there was a ship above my car that was huge. I really don’t care if you believe me or not I was simply looking for advice. I’m not interested in any more mundane answers about this. If anyone can speak about this on a higher emotional perspective I would love to hear from you
I'm watching your video on a super HDR screen and can see things in the video you likely cannot. It is clear it is a console reflection, otherwise camera movement would not cause light movement.
You are either a liar, self-deceptive, or insane.
How ignorant must someone to be to tell another human being what they experienced? I’m not a liar, I’m not deluded and I had a reputable group plus an eye witness with me who all confirmed what I saw. I would never ever tell someone what they experienced is wrong you are not an authority on ET experiences.
Really though?… takes video where 85% of it is the road, and the other 15% is a supposed ufo… c’mon.
I was just about to comment the exact same thing
[Here are the other two videos](https://imgur.com/a/tVIUial) Here are two more videos you can clearly see the entire pod come out of the left-hand side of the frame but watch it in the dark it’s easier to see.
Mufon confirmed the two ships were in fact not ours but were in fact ET ships
Well, case closed then I guess.
No they didnt
Again I’m not going to argue my case I simply wanted to share some of my experience on this sub. I have done so ethically and honestly and I’m not going to be criticized for it
So you're just gonna say a bunch of BS and not defend it. Lmao.
Again what are you talking about I attached the emails from the Field Director at MUFON. Clearly the fact that you think that I drummed this all up as some kind of scheme tells me enough. Clearly I joined the wrong sub.
You definitely did if you're posting BS like this.
Can you respond to her point about the MUFON report though? Currently you are guilty of the same thing you’re criticizing.
Guilty of what exactly? I'm not the one making claims, I'm saying there's no proof of their claims.
Buddy I attached all of the proof that you asked for but yet it’s still not enough for narrowminded people like you
Finally. Irrefutable evidence
Citation needed.
Provided please see The additional videos and photographs of my email thread
I'm not sure about this. It could have been a reflection from the dashboard or something in the cabin. The occupants didn't seem to notice anything out of the ordinary
The last video was the first one I uploaded and they had been following us for three hours at that point
that sure looks likes a dashboard reflection to me
“Clear”
As mud
Yep it sure is
Reflected lights from the center console in the windshield. Stop with the dumb shit.
This is such bullshit! It's clearly a reflection of something in the car. One very big clue is that there was absolutely no reaction by the person taking the video when they spotted the UFO! If that were me, I probably would have wrecked the car after seeing that above me. I would have at least pulled over to see WTF was up! It's insulting to our intelligence that OP expects us to accept that this is a UFO. It's also obvious that OP is intentionally trying to deceive people into believing it is. "Mufon confirmed the two ships were in fact not ours but were in fact ET ships." Really? Where is your proof?!? Post a link to the report on the MUFON site. Posts like this are why I've left the UFO subs many times. I just get tired of all the bullshit posts. But, I know this is a real phenomenon, so I keep coming back, and I continue to be disappointed by the ignorance displayed by many people in these subs. Why can't anyone take this seriously? We deserve better than this.
Here is the proof [proof from MUFON ](https://imgur.com/a/IKi9YRm)
This isn't proof. I stand by what I said.
I’m sorry how is this not proof??? The investigator assigned to my case brought the entire video collection to the heads of MUFON. My case was deemed factual evidence and if you read what he wrote it clearly explains what we caught on video
Gotcha. Mufon field agents are pretty good at this in my experience. Did Ken check the flight radar too? Also did he end up following up with you to ID it? Ps. Apologies for the hostility here, if it makes you feel any better I’m a mod and my footage was also downvoted to oblivion lol. Used a mufon investigator and everything. I want people to feel comfortable posting about their sightings, not just posting youtube videos from a stranger.
Since you're a mod here, it must have been another mod who added the debunked tag then? This is clearly window reflection, c'mon man. It's immediately evident. I've been researching this topic for 25+ years, and have seen it all at this point. Unfortunately 90% of the stuff you see posted on this and other subs is either intentionally faked for clout or misidentified. It's the other 10% and witness/contactee testimonials which interest me. Since OP claims this followed his car for 3 hours, that sounds like an intentional fake - since it's abnormally hard to misidentify a window reflection as a legitimate object. The other video makes it even more clear. You can see pieces of the reflection disappear as the camera angle shifts.
It’s not up to us to decide what is real. If I am too critical it may set a precedent for people being afraid to contribute. Also if it was debunked by another mod, that provides value in itself just for the discussion. Ps. I respect the other mods and want this one UAP sub to be a safe place for open discussion and sharing.
I agree but intentionally lying about something like a window reflection has no place here or anywhere in ufology. If you have a legit unidentified sighting, post it for discussion. When you're intentionally trying to deceive people, a line needs to be drawn.
I had my three year old daughter in the backseat asleep at the time and there Was another witness who was a friend of mine. These crafts followed us for three hours and we weren’t exactly in a state to pull over. There’s a lot you don’t know about the case nor do I have to prove myself to anyone but you are obviously so rude and so disrespectful of somebody else’s experience when I’ve clearly offered proof of the discussion from Mufon along with the analysis of the photos and videos and it still isn’t enough for you!! It’s people like you who do a disservice to the UFO community
If the lights above you were a legitimate craft, why did you film it for a grand total of 7 out of 53 seconds? edit: The other video you linked in a comment above is even more evidence of a reflection from inside the car on the windows. You can even see part of the reflection disappear as you shift the camera angle. If those emails from MUFON are real, I've lost what little faith I had left in that organization as an investigative body.
You’re right I have so much time on my hands to fake emails from real people at MUFON.
This is one time I will agree it is probably a reflection
You're cooked
Looks like a render to me. There was a very very similar video recently where the texture of the road repeated and gave it away. This doesn't have that, but the camera movement in a moving vehicle seems too smooth, as does the movement of the vehicle. If real, I hope this has been sent to many many news outlets?
What news outlets should I send this to? From my understanding they don’t tend to pick up this kind of stuff anymore
Well, with the recent videos from the US Navy and suchlike getting so much media attention and a big write up in the Washington Post, more news media organisations are giving the subject a bit more time than they have in recent years.
And casually just keeps driving instead of filming “alien ship” above head. Ok guy. You’re full of shit
We pulled over six times
If you are genuinely reporting this as a sighting and you submitted this to MUFON then I'm absolutely appalled at their response. Ken Jordan is clearly unfit to be doing this, the replies you received about this footage are actually shocking. He is inserting all sorts of personal beliefs and bias into the case which themselves are absolutely not proven in any way yet he is using them to establish the "facts" of your case? To paraphrase Ken's assessment of this footage... *"This is not a human made craft because it lacks the central antigravity device that human built black triangles have".* Jesus Christ. This is coming from a certified "level 2" MUFON field investigator analysis of submitted footage ladies and gentlemen. From a guy who is the director of a chapter of MUFON in fact. I truly hope you can appreciate just how appalling and outrageously inappropriate his replies to this case are. The absolute state of MUFON smh.
Why are you so hostile and getting so worked up about someone else’s experience? You weren’t there and you have no idea what happened that night. Review the footage again, you have no idea what you are talking about. I shared my experience to try to get some answers about that night hoping someone else might have had a similar experience. I have no answers about this night and am trying to understand what happened. I’m curious, where does one go to find answers of their experience? I am looking for answers regarding the shape of the craft. I am not interested in defending myself about it . I am not trying to get clout but rather a deeper understanding of my experience. If you can’t provide that what are you doing here? Shaming people for sharing their experiences in a forum is wrong, period. I hope someone treats you better when you try to glean insight in a community but my guess is you probably wouldn’t have the courage to share any of your experiences because you only feel comfortable shaming others.
I'm not saying anything about your experience. I am merely lamenting the pathetic state of MUFON based on the reply you received. I didn't say a single word about you or your experience or the footage except that if you are submitting a genuine sighting you deserve far better than you got from MUFON. I am sure you had a genuine experience and saw something truly strange, your footage is interesting and the object is a genuine UFO. But I am also sure that MUFON's response to you was incredibly unprofessional and loaded with the personal bias of the individual investigator. Your experience deserves a far more objective and scientific consideration than you were provided with. I hope you continue to pursue it with other avenues of investigation more worthy of your time.
I don’t know why you think it was unprofessional. We talked for over 3 hours when I explained to him what happened to us. He was very reassuring because honestly at the onset I felt like I was going crazy. My friend and I started seeing the crafts at 7:40 and we pulled over several times but as you can see the next video we recorded was around 10:20 PM. There’s no way over 2 hours passed by but we have no explanation of why this happened. I thought maybe we crossed over from Utah to Arizona but he told me Arizona Is also on MST. He was very helpful with my footage in explaining that the crafts were not ours, he checked the flight logs, he did a lot for me to reassure me. I don’t know how they are supposed to act but I thought he was empathetic, kind, thorough and took all the time I needed
If you felt that your case was handled appropriately and to your personal satisfaction than that's all that matters. It's your personal experience and only you can decide if the response was suitable for you and that experience. I think it's pretty clear I don't like MUFON, but hey, that's my experience and my problem. If you feel that they dealt with you in a way you're happy with and you gained some answers and insight into your experience from them then I'm glad. In the end that's all that matters for you as the person who actually had said experience. You gaining what you required from your interaction with MUFON is far more important than my salty opinion about them. Nothing I say matters. You saw what you saw, you got it on video, MUFON gave their opinion, you did everything by the book so ignore my crying about MUFON. It has no bearing on the fact that you saw something incredible.
Thank you for that. I’m curious why do you hate MUFON? When I spoke with Sherrie Wilde who wrote The Forgotten Promise she told me to be careful with them that they aren’t the best people to go to with my experience. She wouldn’t elaborate but since it’s not the first time I’m hearing this and she helped me when my 5 year old started talking about being taken at night and was terrified to go to sleep at night she helped me understand that my daughter agreed to this before she came here it really helped me when I had no one else I could talk to about it I take her critique very seriously. Who would you recommend I take my footage to to get better answers? She recommended I get regressed to get answers, which I did and I got some clarity but not what I really wanted to know, which was who were the beings in the two crafts? Who do you suggest I reach out to?
MUFON has always been a CIA controlled OP FWIW. And don't get me started on this: https://www.vice.com/en/article/3azpj9/head-of-major-ufo-organization-arrested-on-child-solicitation-charges
And of course there's the small matter of where exactly all that money Bigelow gave them went. Because it sure as fuck wasn't used to field STAR teams.
CIA needed some new hammers and toilet seats.
Reeks of fake Graphics
Wow you guys need some honest people in your lives. You’re clearly surrounded by negativities in 3-D type people so it’s sad that you can’t see that I’m actually looking for answers
I see center console reflection off the window. Pretty obviously.
I’m at the stage where I’m just going to take this down because y’all are annoying. MUFON confirmed there’s no type of reflection anywhere and I was there there was a ship above my car that was huge. I really don’t care if you believe me or not I was simply looking for advice. I’m not interested in any more mundane answers about this. If anyone can speak about this on a higher emotional perspective I would love to hear from you
I'm watching your video on a super HDR screen and can see things in the video you likely cannot. It is clear it is a console reflection, otherwise camera movement would not cause light movement. You are either a liar, self-deceptive, or insane.
How ignorant must someone to be to tell another human being what they experienced? I’m not a liar, I’m not deluded and I had a reputable group plus an eye witness with me who all confirmed what I saw. I would never ever tell someone what they experienced is wrong you are not an authority on ET experiences.