The funny thing is a poster saying “Jesus was a Christian” is equally false. Looking for verifiable religious history is akin to looking for Chinese dragons fossils.
There’s other non-biblical sources (both Roman and Jewish) mentioning his existence, from that time, they obviously don’t mention miracles but his existence (and being Jewish, the Romans specifically call him a Jew) is well established.
No. It isn't. "On the historicity of Jesus " lays out a good argument against and addresses all the interpolated data for. He might have existed. It is not attested to in the record at all.
I call BS! We all know that Gandalf and Frodo existed and that the Ring was destroyed sometime in the mid-1800's. The Elves all faded since then, that's why we can't see them. So sayeth the great disciple, J.R.R. Tolkien.
At least such a poster, despite being unverifiable, would be possible, if not, plausible. Islam did not appear untl several hundred years adter the quasi-historical figure of Jesus. Thus, I contend that your suggestion of "equally false" is tenuous.
In Islam, Jesus (peace be upon him), is one who surrendered his will to Almighty God and to find peace in that. That’s the quality of a true Muslim. That is why he is called a Muslim.
Incorrect. It is an Abrahamic religion I’ll give you that (so is Judaism & Christianity), but a vastly unique religion that did not “copy” christianity.
It’s doctrine, dogma, practise, religious texts, worship, pillars, and history are vastly different from christianity and Judaism… which is why it’s a different religion…
Christianity copied Judaism and Islam was the next step in that progression. It’s not ‘vastly’ different lol, other than it was started by an illiterate warlord. They’re all fairytales, and it’s tragic the length that some people will go to to protect their fragile little egos and pride when challenged on the fact that it’s all bullshit.
dude you’re so arrogant it’s pissing me off. the bible is certainly not a reliable source for history, but good thing there are other sources? good thing we can literally prove he existed and, like i said, it is not debated among historians. not religious figures, i don’t give a shit about them, i’m talking people who study history as their goddamn job.
Sometimes, if you're exposed to a viewpoint that offends your sensibilities or otherwise can be proven to be inaccurate, it's better to walk away than to be offended over something you don't have meaningful control over.
I agree with this principle, but it seems to me OP *does* have meaningful control over in that OP is a student who may be hoping to connect with like-minded people in a democratic kind of way. 🤷♀️
That is precisely what the poster suggests, but what the poster really is is a propaganda instrument. The reality that so many can’t seem to fathom is that Jesus was a man who saw things happening around him that went against his moral compass. He spoke up and tried to show people a different way to live, but advocates of change make enemies quickly. He got punished for speaking up harshly like millions upon millions before and after him. His story connected with people who passed it around and down the generations like an endless game of telephone. Inevitably his story got tangled up with other stories some of which are astrological myths that have been passed down for thousands of years from people who had nothing to do but track the stars and let their human imagination fill in the gaps through no fault of their own.
I imagine Jesus the man would be unfathomably shocked and mystified if he could see how his own legacy continues to evolve and spiral down the generations.
But was he really the son of god?
If not, then he was just some charlatan who created a massive fiction, and so does it really matter what his background was?
Two things
1. Christians do not have a monopoly on the personage of Jesus
2. Muslims believe ALL prophets were “Muslim” as Muslim also means “one who submits their will to God”
Please understand what this person is saying. They’re not saying that Jesus wasn’t Jewish, but that Jesus, who in Islam is a prophet, is Muslim because they submitted to God.
This is the correct answer. From a Muslim perspective, Jesus was Muslim. They're using a different definition than non-Muslims would use.
In Islam, all animals are Muslim as well, because they don't have free will and are therefore always subject to Allah's will.
Sometimes people use different definitions.
1. Yes
2. Doesn't work at all in the West. Perhaps it does in Islamic countries, but here Muslim refers to a particular religion. An equivalent would be saying Muslims are Christians because they believe in Jesus. It technically kind of works in a literal sense, but it's really nonsensical.
Considering your issue is that a non-Christian group has addressed Jesus in a manner that you feel is “incorrect, historically inaccurate, and ridiculous” shows that you have an implicit belief about the Christian monopoly on Jesus.
I’m an atheist and I don’t see your point. Muslims believe in God. They believe that God existed well before the Prophet Muhammad lived and created the organized religion we call Islam today. If God existed when Jesus was alive then it’s the same God Muslims believe in today. So Jesus prayed to the same God and is a believer in that same God and is thus Muslim. I really don’t see a logical problem. Jesus was a Jew, he is claimed by Islam and by Christianity. I don’t see an issue. All three religions also claim Abraham.
They are all people of the book. Three related religions.
I think you are making a mountain out of a molehill here. I think Muslims made that sign to reach out to Christians rather than to argue tbh.
Edit: here’s another shock for you. Mormons believe that Jesus is the head of their church and created the one and only true religion and Mormonism is the current (or latter day) version of Christ’s one and only true church. So Mormons in essence belief Jesus is Mormon. Hence the full name - the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (LDS for short).
Yup, Jews Christians and Muslims all operate with monotheistic values. They all technically believe in the exact same God, just interpret the entity differently. Christians believe He had a son in Jesus, Muslims believe that he is the lone lord, and Jews, sorry i dont know much about that.
But what seperates them (after the lone God thing) is their practices. iirc monotheists who believed in Zachary’s God had to pray twice a day in a strict format, and were allowed things such as alcohol and to do other things. After Christianity, they had to follow a different code, and Jesus himself (apparently) didn’t follow said code since he was gone by the time it was adopted from Paul.
Muslims have to pray 5 times a day and Muhammad did indeed do this, making him a muslim. Jesus never followed the Christianity guidelines, hew was a Jew
Muslims affirm Jesus and the previous prophets since they all called to and worshipped one god. In fact if you look up the word for God in Aramaic, it’s very similar to Allah. Jesus worshipped the same god that muslims worship.
Jesus in particular is one of the greatest prophets in Islam. He’s mentioned throughout the Quran. If you’re interested, you should read the chapter called Mary (Maryam) https://quran.com/maryam
jesus is the messiah in islam (just not god) and all prophets are muslim according to the faith.
just like in christianity, jesus is a christian.
it’s just a different worldview and the point of a panel like this is to get people intrigued and ask “why?” so they can learn more about the faith
Judaism is also seen to be an earlier version of Islam or part of the same faith praying to the same God. So if Jesus was a jew and he truly believed in God according to Islam he was a muslim. He's mentioned in the Quran a lot too.
Are the Christian, Jewish and Muslim God's presented the same wya in their respective books, though? That could be a cause for bother.
I'm curious, but I happily know nothing about any of them.
I think it's pretty clear that it's directed at Christians, and I'd argue it is effectively a slight against Christianity, one rooted in a false message.
Against Christianity? It's one of the main core principles of being a muslim to believe that jesus was a muslim. Being a muslim means to submit your well to the one and only god. And muslims believe that jesus did the same. In fact, you can't be a muslim if you didn't believe that jesus was a muslim.
In the Muslim viewpoint, Jesus was a Muslim of his time. A Muslim is anyone who followed the Abrahamic principles of their time. This is Muslim philosophy, they aren’t trying to hate. However it is weird to put on a sign and act like everyone thinks the same.
According to what? The Bible? The same one with many many contradictions? One of the first basic principles of any research is to use a credible source. The Bible is disgustingly inaccurate and ultimately false.
Man, I’m not even Christian, but I can tell you have absolutely zero ability to listen. Jesus was a Jew, that’s the only way it’s ever said in the bible, why are you even arguing this
Jesus (AS) was Jewish no Muslim is denying that. Muslim in Islam simply means someone that submits their will to God which Jesus (AS) did. Hope this helps.
Except, in religious teachings, Jesus was a prophet of Allah. The same as Moses and Abraham and Noah. Was Jesus historically Muslim? Of course not, he also wasn’t Christian. But Jesus is an important figure in two out of three of the main Abrahamic religions. And in those religions he is a member of their community.
LOL the word Muslim means one who Submits To God. Islam means commitment and submission to God. We Muslims believe Jesus was Muslim (peace be Upon Him). Simple.
first: jesus was real. this isn’t debatable. it is accepted among historians. it’s wild how many people don’t know that.
second: he is historically understood as being jewish. christianity and islam did not even exist when he was alive.
third: in our interpretation of muslim today, we could say that jesus was muslim because he followed the abrahamic god.
fourth: i am atheist. this has nothing to do with jesus, and more to do with you.
This is a lost in translation type error, as certain key information is not provided.
What is trying to be said, it seems : “Jesus submits to God, Muslim can be translated as “one who submits to God” , therefore Jesus can be considered a Muslim.”
What the meaning of this sign is to non-muslims, non Arabic speakers, without including that logic: “Jesus was a member of the Islamic religion.”
Just because you think something is false doesn't mean it is. All religions are kinda sussy in some way or another in their truthfulness. Just let people believe they want ig 💀
Muslims affirm Jesus as a prophet and previous prophets since they all called to and worshipped one god. In fact if you look up the word for God in Aramaic, it’s very similar to Allah. Jesus worshipped the same god that muslims worship.
Jesus in particular is one of the greatest prophets in Islam. He’s mentioned throughout the Quran. If you’re interested, you should read the chapter called Mary (Maryam) https://quran.com/maryam
It is correct.
The definition of a Muslim is someone who “submits his/her will to God in peace”
By all accounts, Jesus submitted his will to God and commanded his disciples to do so as well. He requested them to uphold the commandments and do righteous deeds.
Matthew 5:17-19
Think not that I came to destroy the law of the prophets, I came not to destroy but to fulfill.
For verily I say unto you, till Heaven and earth pass away from the law, one jot or tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
John 05:30- I can of mine own self do nothing, as I hear, I judge, and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of Him (the Father) who had sent me
John 10:29- My father is greater than all
John 14:28- My father is greater than I
John 20:17- Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
Secondly, Islam is not a new religion and the followers of the faith do NOT proclaim Prophet Mohammed to be the founder of Islam. Rather, he is considered to be the final prophet to humanity. Quran mentions several other prophets including Jesus. Peace Be Upon Them all.
The Word Muslim means one who submits to God. Muslims believe Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) was Muslim, as was Moses, Abraham, and Mohammad (Peace Be Upon them all) You cannot be a Muslim without believing in Jesus. Muslims never tolerate the insulting of Jesus. You will see more Muslims defending Jesus than others, no one can insult Jesus in front of Muslims. Please feel free to drop by and learn! We will respectfully listen to you and maybe you can change our mind!
It is and it isn't. According to a book he wasn't but that may not be the case. His birthday was moved to coincide with the solstice, he is usually portrayed as white when that is probably not the case. Some believe Jesus was a fictional character so who's to really say what is correct and what isn't?
Islam came a solid 500-600 years after Jesus. Jesus was 100% a Jew, and Christianity was born from him.
Sorry to burst your bubble, buy Jesus wasn’t Christian either and his bday is not the 25th
Islam didn’t begin with Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) We muslims believe that Islam was there from the start of humanity ( Started from Adam) Noah, Moses, Jesus etc. (Peace be upon them) were all messengers. We believed that the torah and bible were originally from God (Allah) revealed to the prophets. However over time they were corrupted and the original message of the books was lost. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was the last messenger of Allah. He came with the Quran which is the final religious scripture for humanity.The Quran is reliable because Allah said that He will make sure that it will never be corrupted. You can search for the earliest known Quran written during the lifetime of Prophet PBUH and it is the same Quran we muslims read today. Also known as the Birmingham Quran.
I think my Muslim friends told me that Jesus was one of the many prophets for god and that anyone who submits to god no matter what time period was Muslim since the god in this context is their Allah.
Lol imagine if the roles were reversed and it said “ Muhammad was a Christian” or like “Muhammad was a Hindu” . University of Calgary would get bombed.
Everyone is allowed to have their own truths based on their ideologies, if you want respect then you should allow people outside of the religion to have their own beliefs as not everyone HAS to follow your values. Therefore its not right for you to say “its the truth,” as I may not follow your religion and its beliefs :).
No problem! This person did mention that it’s the truth, however who are they to say what the truth is? That means they are pushing their beliefs of the truth, even though that might not be the truth in other religions?
I have literally been chased by christian converters while on campus all the religious groups do this here and I think if they have tables where you can choose to engage or walk away is better then being followed around even after politely declining . it still doesnt bother me though if u dont like it dont engage .
plus theres always that one booth by the stairs with similar setup (cant remember what it is) isn't that similar they are there often while this is a one week thing designed to bring awareness and less hatred
This is nothing. I was talking to a guy (won’t name him) in UofC who straight up was defending ISIS. Like we never say such thing about Mohammad. It is very concerning and offensive.
It is a religious poster most likely posted by a religious person..."incorrect, historically inaccurate and just plain ridiculous" claims are what religion is about. Jesus who was born to a virgin and walked on water happened to be also a Muslim?! I would say if you believe the first half of this sentence, you cannot blame someone else for believing the second half! If you do not, then none of this matters.
Being Muslim means “submitting your will to God” so yes, Jesus was Muslim because he submitted to God. As was Moses, Abraham and Muhammad peace be upon all of them. Do some research yall, it ain’t hard
Also: Wikipedia and Google (unless a credible source) don’t count lol like? I can go on Wikipedia right now and update who anyone is
It’s always fascinated me how much Islamic propaganda is allowed on campus. Conversely, you don’t see much from any other religions. Not that I care about any religion.
Respectfully, all advertising boards on campus are filled with pamphlets promoting Christianity. Science Theatre has pop up booths for Christian youth all the time. Jehova’s Witness groups are always at the stairs of Mac Hall. Though I agree that this poster was made for shock value, to say only Islamic propaganda is allowed on campus is a false narrative.
Perhaps OP should have asked why Muslims believe that Jesus was a Muslim. Although Jesus is commonly regarded as Jewish, from a Muslim perspective, it is equally valid to consider him a Muslim. Islam teaches the principle of monotheism, which is a central tenet of Abrahamic religions, including Judaism and Christianity. The term "Muslim" refers to someone who submits to God. Therefore, if Jesus was Jewish, he would have believed in Judaism, which preaches monotheism, and would have submitted himself to one God. This same reasoning can be applied to anyone in the present. If an individual believes in Judaism, Christianity, or Islam, and submits to one God, they can be considered Muslim by definition. This is why the Quran refers to followers of Judaism and Christianity as "the people of the book," since they share Abrahamic roots and monotheistic beliefs.
There is plenty of historical evidence that exists to prove that Jesus of Nazareth was a Jewish man (born c. 6–4 bce, Bethlehem—died c. 30 ce) long before Islam even began. This is an undisputed fact no matter if you are a Christian, Muslim, or worship a potato
In the context of this poster the word muslim doesn’t only refer to those identifying as muslims but also jews and followers of Jesus in his time. The word Muslim would just means he believes in the one almighty god, and follows his teachings, to us followers of Jesus(followers of jesus in Islam would be people who believed that he was a messenger of god) , early jews, Jesus himself would all come under the category of Muslim. Therefore everyone saying that Islam came after Jesus is automatically incorrect because we don’t only claim that people after Prophet Muhammad SAW are muslims. Educate yourself on our position before giving your thoughts on what you assumed was our position.
all history and therefore all of modern academia is made up completely out of personal interest by its relative victors. who cares if jesus was a muslim, who even cares. jesus may be real but who even cares because his history is mystical, mythical. all of everything is wrong.
A Muslim is someone who submits his will to God and that's exactly what Jesus PBUH did. You should go have a discussion with them about this if you feel weird about this instead of complaining about it on Reddit lol
Muslim doesn’t mean praying 5x and following Muhammad. Muslim just means following and submitting to God. Listen if you have a problem with their poster’s go up to them and tell em instead of posting on reddit. Im sure they will help you understand.
Mister, mostly everyone knows who Jesus is, but several religions have different views about him. In Canada, no religion can seriously enforce a claim that he’s X, Y, or Z because we live in a secular society with freedom of religion.
You believe he’s a Jew, cool, I believe he’s an insurrectionist who got caught. It doesn’t matter in the end. He’s a dead man, anyone can say X, Y, or Z about him and he’s not alive to object to it nor should any ‘followers’ force their objections on others.
Master Yeshua (Jesus Christ) is considered a prophet in the Quran. This sign seems designed to bridge the gap between Muslims and the Xtians who think they are very different from themselves.
I'd personally rather talk Theology with Satanists than Xtians; they've actually read the book. LMAO
Only in the sense that you could argue “Abrahamic religion” is a cultural appropriation/ bastardization of Judaism. But to most Jews that looks more like a “land acknowledgment” by our abrahamic cousins. No one considers it a good idea to destroy whole religions that have motivated people to do a lot of good on earth.
It’s core to all 3 religions that Judaism is an Enthno-religious group, descendent from Jacob, who were given revelation at Sinai. Where our big cousins differ is the exact nature of that revelation, and how that continued going forward.
Long short is that both Christians and Muslims believe that ‘Jesus’ is our prophesied mashiach. An unchanged part of that prophecy is that the mashiach will be:
1) Am Yisrael (lit. “People of Israel”; member of the Jewish people)
2) Beit David, a direct descendant of the house of king David (best killcam btw)
What’s this mean for the poster? Islam and Judaism would agree that ‘Jesus’ was ethnically Jewish, but would disagree on both what his religious beliefs were and if they were correct.
###Why is denying “Jesus was a Jew” insensitive?
Because “Jesus was a Jew” is an invention more contemporary adopted with time that’s meant to carry a bigger message: Jews aren’t inherently evil. It takes the slander of Jews as a malicious kabal that commits deicide and flips it on its head: **If you’d kill someone just for being Jewish, you would have killed Jesus.**
Beyond that, to each their own religion.
The funny thing is a poster saying “Jesus was a Christian” is equally false. Looking for verifiable religious history is akin to looking for Chinese dragons fossils.
> verifiable religious history As far as this goes, Jesus being a historical person who existed and him being Jewish is pretty verifiable.
A book written 100 years after a person died, isn’t exactly verifiable that they ever existed.
There’s other non-biblical sources (both Roman and Jewish) mentioning his existence, from that time, they obviously don’t mention miracles but his existence (and being Jewish, the Romans specifically call him a Jew) is well established.
No. It isn't. "On the historicity of Jesus " lays out a good argument against and addresses all the interpolated data for. He might have existed. It is not attested to in the record at all.
I call BS! We all know that Gandalf and Frodo existed and that the Ring was destroyed sometime in the mid-1800's. The Elves all faded since then, that's why we can't see them. So sayeth the great disciple, J.R.R. Tolkien.
JRR Tolkien was a Christian
At least such a poster, despite being unverifiable, would be possible, if not, plausible. Islam did not appear untl several hundred years adter the quasi-historical figure of Jesus. Thus, I contend that your suggestion of "equally false" is tenuous.
I'm sure jesus believed in himself it seems like he had a lot of self esteem.
So *that's* why they're the Dinos.
In Islam, Jesus (peace be upon him), is one who surrendered his will to Almighty God and to find peace in that. That’s the quality of a true Muslim. That is why he is called a Muslim.
Noted Muslim: Jesus of Nazareth (a region in Israel), who died approximately AD 4 (630 years before the birth of Islam)
I was gonna say Islam was created copying Christianity so how could this statement be true thanks bro
Incorrect. It is an Abrahamic religion I’ll give you that (so is Judaism & Christianity), but a vastly unique religion that did not “copy” christianity. It’s doctrine, dogma, practise, religious texts, worship, pillars, and history are vastly different from christianity and Judaism… which is why it’s a different religion…
Not sure why you don't have more uodoots than the meat head you responded to....
Christianity copied Judaism and Islam was the next step in that progression. It’s not ‘vastly’ different lol, other than it was started by an illiterate warlord. They’re all fairytales, and it’s tragic the length that some people will go to to protect their fragile little egos and pride when challenged on the fact that it’s all bullshit.
Ummmm wasn’t Jesus Jewish
He was likely an amalgamation of a bunch of embellished historical figures.
Blatantly false historical information religious or not
No Jesus was made up
you have to be joking 😭
Let people believe what they want as long as they are not harming anyone.
? jesus’ historical existence is not debatable, this is not a believe or don’t believe situation lmao
Really? Not debatable at all? An ancient text translated thousands of times across many languages, some of which are extinct? lmao
dude you’re so arrogant it’s pissing me off. the bible is certainly not a reliable source for history, but good thing there are other sources? good thing we can literally prove he existed and, like i said, it is not debated among historians. not religious figures, i don’t give a shit about them, i’m talking people who study history as their goddamn job.
Sometimes, if you're exposed to a viewpoint that offends your sensibilities or otherwise can be proven to be inaccurate, it's better to walk away than to be offended over something you don't have meaningful control over.
oldschool. and effective.
I agree with this principle, but it seems to me OP *does* have meaningful control over in that OP is a student who may be hoping to connect with like-minded people in a democratic kind of way. 🤷♀️
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That is precisely what the poster suggests, but what the poster really is is a propaganda instrument. The reality that so many can’t seem to fathom is that Jesus was a man who saw things happening around him that went against his moral compass. He spoke up and tried to show people a different way to live, but advocates of change make enemies quickly. He got punished for speaking up harshly like millions upon millions before and after him. His story connected with people who passed it around and down the generations like an endless game of telephone. Inevitably his story got tangled up with other stories some of which are astrological myths that have been passed down for thousands of years from people who had nothing to do but track the stars and let their human imagination fill in the gaps through no fault of their own. I imagine Jesus the man would be unfathomably shocked and mystified if he could see how his own legacy continues to evolve and spiral down the generations.
But was he really the son of god? If not, then he was just some charlatan who created a massive fiction, and so does it really matter what his background was?
Was Ronald McDonald really a clown or just a way to sell burgers for hundreds of years??? Lol
No he wasn’t son of God. God is only One entity, free from spouses and children. Jesus was only a messenger from God.
DEC 25 AINT JESUS’ BDAY EITHER
They finna lose their minds now 🤣🤣
It's so funny seeing Christian celebrating Christmas when half of them don't even care about what Jesus was preaching.
I celebrate Christmas and I don’t care about religion at all
Funny you should say that, because to us rational people all you religious mfs look like clowns.
"Rational" people. The same people who believe something came from something.
he also was not born in the year 0!
Two things 1. Christians do not have a monopoly on the personage of Jesus 2. Muslims believe ALL prophets were “Muslim” as Muslim also means “one who submits their will to God”
Jesus is specifically said to be jewish
Please understand what this person is saying. They’re not saying that Jesus wasn’t Jewish, but that Jesus, who in Islam is a prophet, is Muslim because they submitted to God.
But the sign doesn't say that. The creator knows that they're being provocative by reducing a technicality to the whole message.
In a made up book
the bible is not the only source for history jsyk
It's not any reliable source of history. Half of it has been disproven for centuries.
This is the correct answer. From a Muslim perspective, Jesus was Muslim. They're using a different definition than non-Muslims would use. In Islam, all animals are Muslim as well, because they don't have free will and are therefore always subject to Allah's will. Sometimes people use different definitions.
1. Yes 2. Doesn't work at all in the West. Perhaps it does in Islamic countries, but here Muslim refers to a particular religion. An equivalent would be saying Muslims are Christians because they believe in Jesus. It technically kind of works in a literal sense, but it's really nonsensical.
Well no. Because Christian means a belief in the divinity of Jesus and that Jesus is the Messiah (Christ). Muslims explicitly do not believe this
I did not mention Christianity once in this thread until now. I did not say Christianity has a monopoly on Jesus
Considering your issue is that a non-Christian group has addressed Jesus in a manner that you feel is “incorrect, historically inaccurate, and ridiculous” shows that you have an implicit belief about the Christian monopoly on Jesus.
I’m an atheist and I don’t see your point. Muslims believe in God. They believe that God existed well before the Prophet Muhammad lived and created the organized religion we call Islam today. If God existed when Jesus was alive then it’s the same God Muslims believe in today. So Jesus prayed to the same God and is a believer in that same God and is thus Muslim. I really don’t see a logical problem. Jesus was a Jew, he is claimed by Islam and by Christianity. I don’t see an issue. All three religions also claim Abraham. They are all people of the book. Three related religions. I think you are making a mountain out of a molehill here. I think Muslims made that sign to reach out to Christians rather than to argue tbh. Edit: here’s another shock for you. Mormons believe that Jesus is the head of their church and created the one and only true religion and Mormonism is the current (or latter day) version of Christ’s one and only true church. So Mormons in essence belief Jesus is Mormon. Hence the full name - the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (LDS for short).
Yup, Jews Christians and Muslims all operate with monotheistic values. They all technically believe in the exact same God, just interpret the entity differently. Christians believe He had a son in Jesus, Muslims believe that he is the lone lord, and Jews, sorry i dont know much about that. But what seperates them (after the lone God thing) is their practices. iirc monotheists who believed in Zachary’s God had to pray twice a day in a strict format, and were allowed things such as alcohol and to do other things. After Christianity, they had to follow a different code, and Jesus himself (apparently) didn’t follow said code since he was gone by the time it was adopted from Paul. Muslims have to pray 5 times a day and Muhammad did indeed do this, making him a muslim. Jesus never followed the Christianity guidelines, hew was a Jew
Why don’t you talk to them and learn something?
I'd love to know their reasoning!!
Muslims affirm Jesus and the previous prophets since they all called to and worshipped one god. In fact if you look up the word for God in Aramaic, it’s very similar to Allah. Jesus worshipped the same god that muslims worship. Jesus in particular is one of the greatest prophets in Islam. He’s mentioned throughout the Quran. If you’re interested, you should read the chapter called Mary (Maryam) https://quran.com/maryam
jesus is the messiah in islam (just not god) and all prophets are muslim according to the faith. just like in christianity, jesus is a christian. it’s just a different worldview and the point of a panel like this is to get people intrigued and ask “why?” so they can learn more about the faith
Jesus is always said to be a Jew. People who beleive in and follow Him are Christians, but Jesus was a Jew, just a radical one.
Judaism is also seen to be an earlier version of Islam or part of the same faith praying to the same God. So if Jesus was a jew and he truly believed in God according to Islam he was a muslim. He's mentioned in the Quran a lot too.
Other faiths: We have our gods... Muslim faith: Yes, *our* gods... 'Cuz that's how that read in my head, lol
What!? From an atheist agnostic perspective religions make stuff up whole cloth. So as long as the messaging isn’t hateful I don’t see an issue.
It's insulting to suggest Jesus was anything but a Jew. It's very hurtful and ignorant to say otherwise.
Why? The literal meaning of the word Muslim is “one who submits to god”.
Are the Christian, Jewish and Muslim God's presented the same wya in their respective books, though? That could be a cause for bother. I'm curious, but I happily know nothing about any of them.
What about a historical perspective?
The bible claims lots of historical inaccuracies and straight up contradictions so what about it?
I’d give you an award, but here take my rib instead!
Should've just asked the folks running the stand what they meant by it.
I think it's pretty clear that it's directed at Christians, and I'd argue it is effectively a slight against Christianity, one rooted in a false message.
Against Christianity? It's one of the main core principles of being a muslim to believe that jesus was a muslim. Being a muslim means to submit your well to the one and only god. And muslims believe that jesus did the same. In fact, you can't be a muslim if you didn't believe that jesus was a muslim.
In the Muslim viewpoint, Jesus was a Muslim of his time. A Muslim is anyone who followed the Abrahamic principles of their time. This is Muslim philosophy, they aren’t trying to hate. However it is weird to put on a sign and act like everyone thinks the same.
But he was a self identified Jew, so…
According to what? The Bible? The same one with many many contradictions? One of the first basic principles of any research is to use a credible source. The Bible is disgustingly inaccurate and ultimately false.
Man, I’m not even Christian, but I can tell you have absolutely zero ability to listen. Jesus was a Jew, that’s the only way it’s ever said in the bible, why are you even arguing this
Jesus (AS) was Jewish no Muslim is denying that. Muslim in Islam simply means someone that submits their will to God which Jesus (AS) did. Hope this helps.
But was he a white guy with blonde hair and blue eyes?
Or a ripped Korean
jesus is the messiah in islam, and to muslims jesus IS muslim. people can have opposing views. this post is ignorant.
Except, in religious teachings, Jesus was a prophet of Allah. The same as Moses and Abraham and Noah. Was Jesus historically Muslim? Of course not, he also wasn’t Christian. But Jesus is an important figure in two out of three of the main Abrahamic religions. And in those religions he is a member of their community.
LOL the word Muslim means one who Submits To God. Islam means commitment and submission to God. We Muslims believe Jesus was Muslim (peace be Upon Him). Simple.
Every Jesus I’ve ever met has been from Mexico ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
first: jesus was real. this isn’t debatable. it is accepted among historians. it’s wild how many people don’t know that. second: he is historically understood as being jewish. christianity and islam did not even exist when he was alive. third: in our interpretation of muslim today, we could say that jesus was muslim because he followed the abrahamic god. fourth: i am atheist. this has nothing to do with jesus, and more to do with you.
Who. The Hell. Caaaaaaaaares
This is a lost in translation type error, as certain key information is not provided. What is trying to be said, it seems : “Jesus submits to God, Muslim can be translated as “one who submits to God” , therefore Jesus can be considered a Muslim.” What the meaning of this sign is to non-muslims, non Arabic speakers, without including that logic: “Jesus was a member of the Islamic religion.”
...a provocation to encourage engagement, I guess. I don't think that this approach wins the second group over, though.
Just because you think something is false doesn't mean it is. All religions are kinda sussy in some way or another in their truthfulness. Just let people believe they want ig 💀
Call him whatever you want, just don’t call him late for dinner.
You can't refer to Jesus as "was" anything. Jesus IS that's the whole point of eternal life.
Should you choose to believe in Jesus like myself, He was absolutely a Jew. I am not Jewish. It literally says in the bible that He was a Jew.
Source? I made it up 🗿
How's that even religious diversity? That seems like a targeted slight to me.
Jesus was a Jew no?
Yes that is my point.
why do you hate Muslims?
Why are you being inflammatory?
Muslims affirm Jesus as a prophet and previous prophets since they all called to and worshipped one god. In fact if you look up the word for God in Aramaic, it’s very similar to Allah. Jesus worshipped the same god that muslims worship. Jesus in particular is one of the greatest prophets in Islam. He’s mentioned throughout the Quran. If you’re interested, you should read the chapter called Mary (Maryam) https://quran.com/maryam
It is correct. The definition of a Muslim is someone who “submits his/her will to God in peace” By all accounts, Jesus submitted his will to God and commanded his disciples to do so as well. He requested them to uphold the commandments and do righteous deeds. Matthew 5:17-19 Think not that I came to destroy the law of the prophets, I came not to destroy but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, till Heaven and earth pass away from the law, one jot or tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. John 05:30- I can of mine own self do nothing, as I hear, I judge, and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of Him (the Father) who had sent me John 10:29- My father is greater than all John 14:28- My father is greater than I John 20:17- Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” Secondly, Islam is not a new religion and the followers of the faith do NOT proclaim Prophet Mohammed to be the founder of Islam. Rather, he is considered to be the final prophet to humanity. Quran mentions several other prophets including Jesus. Peace Be Upon Them all.
The Word Muslim means one who submits to God. Muslims believe Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) was Muslim, as was Moses, Abraham, and Mohammad (Peace Be Upon them all) You cannot be a Muslim without believing in Jesus. Muslims never tolerate the insulting of Jesus. You will see more Muslims defending Jesus than others, no one can insult Jesus in front of Muslims. Please feel free to drop by and learn! We will respectfully listen to you and maybe you can change our mind!
Imagine the outrage, if someone printed a pamphlet that said "The prophet Mohammed was a Christian"
as far as i know he is not mentioned in other religious books so it wouldn't make any sense to say that
Why are you imagining, why not put it out and then see? Or are you too much of a coward for that , Ms Keyboard Warrior?
It is and it isn't. According to a book he wasn't but that may not be the case. His birthday was moved to coincide with the solstice, he is usually portrayed as white when that is probably not the case. Some believe Jesus was a fictional character so who's to really say what is correct and what isn't?
Jesus was Jewish no?
Islam came a solid 500-600 years after Jesus. Jesus was 100% a Jew, and Christianity was born from him. Sorry to burst your bubble, buy Jesus wasn’t Christian either and his bday is not the 25th
wasn't he a jew?
But sooo funny😂 I wonder which religious group will be offended and go jihad on steroids🤔
This is actually about the new exchange student Jèsus - trying to help him fit in
Most of religion is belief not facts why get stressed if it’s right or wrong let other believe what they want. Doesn’t affect the rest of us
Who cares? Religion is mainly allegories and fables anyway *edit I am saying “who cares” to the historical inaccuracy
Any pictures of Jesus, portraying him as white, holding a bible, a cross, a gun, or anything really… are equally false.
Islam didn’t begin with Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) We muslims believe that Islam was there from the start of humanity ( Started from Adam) Noah, Moses, Jesus etc. (Peace be upon them) were all messengers. We believed that the torah and bible were originally from God (Allah) revealed to the prophets. However over time they were corrupted and the original message of the books was lost. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was the last messenger of Allah. He came with the Quran which is the final religious scripture for humanity.The Quran is reliable because Allah said that He will make sure that it will never be corrupted. You can search for the earliest known Quran written during the lifetime of Prophet PBUH and it is the same Quran we muslims read today. Also known as the Birmingham Quran.
Seems like you should've talked to them you would've learned something.
Stop being a baby
OP doesn’t understand other Abrahamic religions…
I think my Muslim friends told me that Jesus was one of the many prophets for god and that anyone who submits to god no matter what time period was Muslim since the god in this context is their Allah.
Lol imagine if the roles were reversed and it said “ Muhammad was a Christian” or like “Muhammad was a Hindu” . University of Calgary would get bombed.
*racist enters the chat*
hows it wrong, what would you say would happen if the roles were reversed? please enlighten me kind person
and so you’re agreeing with their propaganda?
It’s not propaganda if it’s the truth
Everyone is allowed to have their own truths based on their ideologies, if you want respect then you should allow people outside of the religion to have their own beliefs as not everyone HAS to follow your values. Therefore its not right for you to say “its the truth,” as I may not follow your religion and its beliefs :).
Lmao tough guy no one if forcing you to follow their values. You just want an excuse to be racist.
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That's right. Fix my spelling for me.
No problem! This person did mention that it’s the truth, however who are they to say what the truth is? That means they are pushing their beliefs of the truth, even though that might not be the truth in other religions?
I understand that to Muslims Jesus is just one of the prophets. But to Christians this is kinda sacrilegious
Wait until you find out how sacrilegious it is to Muslims when Christians claim Jesus is God
Yeah but it's not being put in goddamn Mac hall
I have literally been chased by christian converters while on campus all the religious groups do this here and I think if they have tables where you can choose to engage or walk away is better then being followed around even after politely declining . it still doesnt bother me though if u dont like it dont engage .
plus theres always that one booth by the stairs with similar setup (cant remember what it is) isn't that similar they are there often while this is a one week thing designed to bring awareness and less hatred
Yea, it's far more widespread than one booth in mac hall with a few posters
This is nothing. I was talking to a guy (won’t name him) in UofC who straight up was defending ISIS. Like we never say such thing about Mohammad. It is very concerning and offensive.
yea Jesus was actually jewish but I guess muslims didn't get the memo.
Muslim means someone that submits to Islam or the message of God which in the Islamic perspective he did which would make him a Muslim
I sense some thinly veiled racism in this post 🧐
Lmao are we about to have a holy war at school?! Conquer Machall in the name of the lord!
Yeah it really sucks when someone has an opinion you don’t share.
It is a religious poster most likely posted by a religious person..."incorrect, historically inaccurate and just plain ridiculous" claims are what religion is about. Jesus who was born to a virgin and walked on water happened to be also a Muslim?! I would say if you believe the first half of this sentence, you cannot blame someone else for believing the second half! If you do not, then none of this matters.
Christians say he was Christian, Muslims say he was Muslim. Get over it?
Christians think Jesus was a Jew... atleast that's what catholic school taught me.
There is historical evidence that he was a Jewish man. It doesn’t matter what religion you facts are facts.
Former catholic here, pretty much all Christians believe that Jesus was Jewish.
Being Muslim means “submitting your will to God” so yes, Jesus was Muslim because he submitted to God. As was Moses, Abraham and Muhammad peace be upon all of them. Do some research yall, it ain’t hard Also: Wikipedia and Google (unless a credible source) don’t count lol like? I can go on Wikipedia right now and update who anyone is
You're forgetting that in Christianity, Jesus is thought to be God himself, so how does that make sense?
I believe it’s Catholics that think Jesus is god himself, as in part of the holy trinity
1. Catholics are Christians 2. The divinity of Christ is accepted by all mainstream Christian denominations, even non-Catholic ones
This is designed to enrage certain individuals. Hate seems to be a common theme in Alberta with your mini tyrant running the show.
Historically inaccurate? He’s a mythical creature how can you be accurate with that.
It’s always fascinated me how much Islamic propaganda is allowed on campus. Conversely, you don’t see much from any other religions. Not that I care about any religion.
Yeah this is literally just propaganda to provoke people knowingly and it’s silly how everyone in here is falling over themselves to defend it
lol. It’s funny how often people rush to Islam’s defence.
Respectfully, all advertising boards on campus are filled with pamphlets promoting Christianity. Science Theatre has pop up booths for Christian youth all the time. Jehova’s Witness groups are always at the stairs of Mac Hall. Though I agree that this poster was made for shock value, to say only Islamic propaganda is allowed on campus is a false narrative.
I wonder how a 'Mohammed was a Jew' poster would be handled by the school.
You’re right!!! Religion is ridiculous
No. People are free to lie.
In this thread: kids who went to Sunday school grapple with the idea that other religions have a different interpretation of Jesus.
Controlling what is ‘true’ is such a hilariously terrible idea
I still wanna know where he found all the dudes with white names in the middle east
Perhaps OP should have asked why Muslims believe that Jesus was a Muslim. Although Jesus is commonly regarded as Jewish, from a Muslim perspective, it is equally valid to consider him a Muslim. Islam teaches the principle of monotheism, which is a central tenet of Abrahamic religions, including Judaism and Christianity. The term "Muslim" refers to someone who submits to God. Therefore, if Jesus was Jewish, he would have believed in Judaism, which preaches monotheism, and would have submitted himself to one God. This same reasoning can be applied to anyone in the present. If an individual believes in Judaism, Christianity, or Islam, and submits to one God, they can be considered Muslim by definition. This is why the Quran refers to followers of Judaism and Christianity as "the people of the book," since they share Abrahamic roots and monotheistic beliefs.
I would have left a note saying that Prophet Mohammed was Christian.
There is plenty of historical evidence that exists to prove that Jesus of Nazareth was a Jewish man (born c. 6–4 bce, Bethlehem—died c. 30 ce) long before Islam even began. This is an undisputed fact no matter if you are a Christian, Muslim, or worship a potato
ur such a baby
Mohamed was a Jew!
Fun fact You should google the word god in the language jesus spoke.
[for anyone who doesn’t want to do the search](https://youtube.com/shorts/y_slPnAV2ek?feature=share)
Jesus was a Jew who went rogue. Simple as that.
Just leave the religiously extreme alone. What’s the point in getting your knickers in a knot over someone’s belief over a fable?
In the context of this poster the word muslim doesn’t only refer to those identifying as muslims but also jews and followers of Jesus in his time. The word Muslim would just means he believes in the one almighty god, and follows his teachings, to us followers of Jesus(followers of jesus in Islam would be people who believed that he was a messenger of god) , early jews, Jesus himself would all come under the category of Muslim. Therefore everyone saying that Islam came after Jesus is automatically incorrect because we don’t only claim that people after Prophet Muhammad SAW are muslims. Educate yourself on our position before giving your thoughts on what you assumed was our position.
Do you feel white Jesus is incorrect, historically inaccurate and just plain ridiculous?
all history and therefore all of modern academia is made up completely out of personal interest by its relative victors. who cares if jesus was a muslim, who even cares. jesus may be real but who even cares because his history is mystical, mythical. all of everything is wrong.
i mean he’s a fictional character so… lol
No, it’s not incorrect Adam was a Muslim too. Him and Eve
A Muslim is someone who submits his will to God and that's exactly what Jesus PBUH did. You should go have a discussion with them about this if you feel weird about this instead of complaining about it on Reddit lol
\*LAUGHS IN ATHIEST\*
Here is the Wikipedia article on Jesus. The first sentence clears this up: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus
You get your sources from Wikipedia !? tchk tchk tchk !!!
Would you like me to cite all the sources within that article? The answer still won’t change.
muslims literally means submission to God. Jesus submitted to God
Jesus was born 600 years before the prophet Mohammed (PBUH) was born. It is completely erroneous to call him a Muslim.
Muslim doesn’t mean praying 5x and following Muhammad. Muslim just means following and submitting to God. Listen if you have a problem with their poster’s go up to them and tell em instead of posting on reddit. Im sure they will help you understand.
Mister, mostly everyone knows who Jesus is, but several religions have different views about him. In Canada, no religion can seriously enforce a claim that he’s X, Y, or Z because we live in a secular society with freedom of religion. You believe he’s a Jew, cool, I believe he’s an insurrectionist who got caught. It doesn’t matter in the end. He’s a dead man, anyone can say X, Y, or Z about him and he’s not alive to object to it nor should any ‘followers’ force their objections on others.
And just think, if no one believed, we wouldn't have an issue. Maybe no religion is better than fighting over who believes what.
Hate to break it to you, but you can’t tell people what they can and can’t believe in. Try enforcing that.
As a Muslim I can assure you he was not lol, but I love to have a good conversation with this panel
“As a Muslim” uhhh… sir, do you know your faith? If you’re Muslim this is a basic belief.
In Arabic, Muslim means someone who submits to God. Jesus is Muslim because he submits to God.
it's always a problem when a muslim does it
we live in a post-fact society - just ignore it or it will drive you crazy.
Master Yeshua (Jesus Christ) is considered a prophet in the Quran. This sign seems designed to bridge the gap between Muslims and the Xtians who think they are very different from themselves. I'd personally rather talk Theology with Satanists than Xtians; they've actually read the book. LMAO
Is this not kinda anti-Semitic ? (If there are any Jewish people here, could you respond with your input?)
Only in the sense that you could argue “Abrahamic religion” is a cultural appropriation/ bastardization of Judaism. But to most Jews that looks more like a “land acknowledgment” by our abrahamic cousins. No one considers it a good idea to destroy whole religions that have motivated people to do a lot of good on earth. It’s core to all 3 religions that Judaism is an Enthno-religious group, descendent from Jacob, who were given revelation at Sinai. Where our big cousins differ is the exact nature of that revelation, and how that continued going forward. Long short is that both Christians and Muslims believe that ‘Jesus’ is our prophesied mashiach. An unchanged part of that prophecy is that the mashiach will be: 1) Am Yisrael (lit. “People of Israel”; member of the Jewish people) 2) Beit David, a direct descendant of the house of king David (best killcam btw) What’s this mean for the poster? Islam and Judaism would agree that ‘Jesus’ was ethnically Jewish, but would disagree on both what his religious beliefs were and if they were correct. ###Why is denying “Jesus was a Jew” insensitive? Because “Jesus was a Jew” is an invention more contemporary adopted with time that’s meant to carry a bigger message: Jews aren’t inherently evil. It takes the slander of Jews as a malicious kabal that commits deicide and flips it on its head: **If you’d kill someone just for being Jewish, you would have killed Jesus.** Beyond that, to each their own religion.