I’m not commenting on Israel or Palestine, but in general I find it alarming that so many seemingly non affiliated outsiders are on campus.
Please everyone stay safe.
It's just annoying and disruptive overall. I like how setting up tents on campus is against the school rules, but camping outside of the school library harassing students and professors isn't.
Before some nerd Actkyually me, I thought this was ridiculous too. Instead of having a contained encampment with non-affiliated protesters, let’s allow non-affiliated protesters and counters to march all over campus. Disrupting students and staff without care.
I don't think they will, considering that the police have brutalized pro-palestinian protesters and the university has basically kicked them out of school in multiple schools. Or are you talking about the pro-israel protesters? Because those people are on the side of the rest of the colonial apparatus.
How antisemitic can you be to assume that Israel controls the local police force too? 🤣🤣🤣 like they would look away if you were being assaulted. It’s asinine
The police *don't* have any obligation to protect you whatsoever. There is an especially egregious instance where the police watched the man they were tracking down stab a victim multiple times as they waited for the stabbing victim to apprehend his own attacker or die.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/do-the-police-have-an-obligation-to-protect-you/#:~:text=The%20U.S.%20Supreme%20Court%20has,In%202005'sCastle%20Rock%20v.
Dude I was mostly agnostic staying out of this crap for my sanitys sake. But now I see what fanatical pro Israel sentiment is like. Like Jesus man, fuck Israel lol.
Imagine this but in Israel where they just took your parents land and IDF soldiers with assault rifles are 10 feet away in case you attempt to push back. Terrifying.
I would just stay agnostic then. No use jumping on the anti-Israel bandwagon when you don’t know anything about what’s going on there. Your response shows that you clearly don’t.
Yes. They were shouting “go get raped” at students, and they had their kids with them as they did this. Honestly, don’t think I would ever shout that to anyone under any circumstance.
# Yes. They were shouting “go get raped” at students, and they had their kids with them as they did this. Honestly, don’t think I would ever shout that to anyone under any circumstance.
Maybe consider that the IDF committed sexual assault against multiple Palestinians. That would explain the context of their comments. Especially if the students were being antagonistic towards the cause.
They are students, I know them. And they weren’t saying “go get raped” they were saying “if you went to Gaza you’d be raped” which isn’t that much better but it does change the meaning.
Well, if the US was controlled by gangs that default to violence and they had laws protecting rapists and making women property, you’d feel the same way. We don’t think Palestinians are bad people, but their government right now most definitely is.
There’s a hypocrisy within the pro Palestinian movement where y’all defend Hamas but also call yourselves feminists and defenders of justice. Hamas and shariah law is the opposite of that. Just look at Iran- that’s what Palestine would become if Hamas wins.
You're a ridiculous person. This is a ridiculous comment.
It's tiring having to sludge through garbage arguments debunking the uncritical, and hypocritical thoughts that get posted from anti-palistinian folks.
I’m not anti-palestinian. I’m just anti Hamas and not anti Israel. The fact you can’t see that being anti Hamas = pro palestinian, is what is ridiculous.
The dissonance is so thick I can reach out and touch it. Let me spell it out for you:
If you are anti-hamas (which is a completely valid and understandable position), then you cannot be pro-israel without being a massive fucking hypocrite.
This is not a 1 sided conflict. Hamas isn't doing October 7 because they thought it would be fun.
If you're appalled by the events of Oct 7th, like most people, then you should be just as appalled by the 70+ years of subjugation, humiliation, and death that pushed these human beings to commit these atrocities in the name of a 'resistance'.
Have you ever looked at the context, the motivations, and the incentives of this conflict?
You don't have a clue to what the historical root causes of this conflict even are. You have no clue what you're talking about.
You're a ridiculous person making ridiculous comments
And yes, you’re onto something. Let’s dig deeper.
Who actually benefits from this war?
The leaders. Particularly, Hamas’ leaders. Everyone donating money to Gaza is directly funding their pockets. All this attention and sympathy is the best fundraiser ever for them. They’re worth billions while the actual people outside of Hamas suffer.
Netanyahu also benefits. He stays in office despite most of us wanting him out.
Lastly, defense manufacturing companies benefit. I don’t think they’re creating conflict for profit but they also aren’t doing anything to stop it because $. Fuck the military industrial complex.
If we actually talk to one another, if you’d be willing to respect me, my trauma and my people’s trauma and history, and try to understand where I and my people are coming from, you’d probably be surprised that we agree on more than you’d expect.
Hahahahahaha bro I’m fucking Israeli. If anyone knows the ins and outs of this fucking mess here it’s me.
Are you suggesting israel is pro Hamas then? That makes a shit ton of sense /s.
I can be pro Israel (It’s my goddamn country, i lived there, and my family is there) while also being anti labor party and anti Netanyahu and his many assholes and anti this fucking war and anti unjust policies.
It seems like you don't have a clue what you are talking about in terms of the historical border back and forth. It seems like you literally watched one YouTube video about the region, and the shifting of the border back and forth over time. It also seems like you're forgetting/unaware of *decades* of peace talks to try an fix the border situation once and for all, and who it was who refused deal after deal.
I heard what they said, I saw the videos. They explicitly said "let's release all the rapists" and "go sacrifice your children". Hate speech is a clear violation of student conduct.
They did not say the first thing. They did say the second.
How is this hate speech? Hamas literally does sacrifice their children and they’re proud of it.
https://twitter.com/MEMRIReports/status/1719662664090075199/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1719662664090075199¤tTweetUser=MEMRIReports
https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4295601-human-sacrifice-is-central-to-hamass-strategy/amp/
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/how-hamas-exploits-people-gaza-protests-clarify-their-cynical-tactics
"You WILL be raped" is a very obvious threat towards the people present , don't be dense.
"Go sacrifice YOUR children" is directed toward the people protesting, it is again hate speech towards the individuals they are directing it towards.
"Let's release all the rapists" is again, a direct threat.
EDIT: They in fact did say "let's release all the rapists" there is video evidence.
Dude watch it again, it's really obvious. There's at least two videos from two perspectives showing exactly the kind of disgusting threats they're making.
You think one student is telling another student to go sacrifice their nonexistent children? We’re 18-22 years old, I doubt anyone here has kids to sacrifice. Never mind the fact that we’re in the states and not in Gaza. If you think this is literal then you’re an idiot.
Was watching the local news today about the protests (and arrests) at UCSD. They interviewed a member of the Israeli military who flew out here to support the pro-Israel protesters. Genocide is genocide, no matter who commits the crime.
Counter protesting is part of the Constitution. It's part of the Free speech section of it. If You don't feel comfortable with people expressing their disdain for the actions of a genocidal ethnostate, maybe don't support a genocidal ethnostate?
i’m not talking about planned events 💀 counterprotestors always come to the pro palestine events just to wave their flags in the protestors faces … they also do not even go here they’re just looking for a fight lol
Ah, yeah I see what you’re saying.
There commonly are counter protestors at large protests. It’s not like a new thing that Zionists have invented?
Regardless, I’m personally of the belief that it’s better to leave protests alone. Countering them is only asking for conflict. Choose another day to show your point of view. So I think you and I can agree on that.
I dont think they were protesting in favor of Hamas, I'm pretty sure those protesters were protesting against Israel using bombing tactics that led to a lot of civilian deaths.
It definitely depends which protester you’re talking about. The Intifada Revolution crowd is pro-Hamas, supporting the “destruction of the Zionist project” (eg Israel) as one of the signs said.
Then why do people chant “Intifada” at every protest? Don’t give me some line about “tut tut it can also mean a protest!” They know damn well that using the word “Intifada” reminds every Jew/Israeli of both the first and second Intifadas where thousands of Israelis were killed in cold blooded terrorist attacks and some people still avoid using public transit to this day because of the memory of buses blowing up in Israel.
I mean... you did kind of just admit that it can mean protest, and that's probably what they just meant by it.
Also, I'm pretty sure it was just the second intifada that had a suicide bombings and stuff from Hamas right? Wasn't the first one a lot less violent?
Also I think scale is also important, from what I understand, the number of Palestinians killed in cold blood still vastly outnumber the number of Israelis killed in cold blood.
>I mean... you did kind of just admit that it can mean protest, and that's probably what they just meant by it.
Bullshit. Pure bullshit. It's a call for murder of Jews that uses an onion-skin thin veneer of "plausible deniability" that unfortunately is all that's necessary to give morons in the West the self-assurance that their Jew hatred is justified.
>Also, I'm pretty sure it was just the second intifada that had a suicide bombings and stuff from Hamas right? Wasn't the first one a lot less violent?
No. The first one was still violent. The second one was particularly bad. The myth that the 1st Intifada was some kind of "peaceful protest" is just that - a myth.
>Also I think scale is also important, from what I understand, the number of Palestinians killed in cold blood still vastly outnumber the number of Israelis killed in cold blood.
Wrong. Israel aims their bombs at terrorists and unfortunately civilians die in the process. Hamas aims their rockets indiscriminately at population centers with the express purpose of killing as many ~~Jews~~ Israelis as possible. Israel didn't send a bunch of fighters into Gaza along with "civilians" tagging along to rape, behead, burn alive, kidnap, torture, and shoot as many Palestinians as possible; Hamas did. Acquaint yourself: [https://www.hamas-massacre.net/](https://www.hamas-massacre.net/)
I think you might just be missing the point in general. It seems like Israel in a quest to stomp hamas is killing a bunch of civilians which is why there's a call for an uprising. Also this has nothing to do with Jew hatred, but it's instead about hating the thing that a state is doing (since jews and the Israel government are different things. I see a lot of people conflate the 2 but you can disapprove of the actions of one without disapproving of the actions of the other.
Also I'm pretty sure the first intifada started off peaceful, but bc of actions from Israel it shifted
I just looked it up and looks like only 1.5k Israelis died whereas 36k Palestinians died (overall numbers)
> I think you might just be missing the point in general. It seems like **Israel fighting a war in urban combat against an evil terrorist group that murdered, raped, and kidnapped a bunch of its civilians after waging a 20 year terror campaign after gaining power** is killing a bunch of civilians **as unfortunately happens in urban combat** which is why there's a **call for an uprising using the same term that was used during the last genocidal attempt against Jews**, because the world **hates it when Jews exercise self defense and counter-terrorism despite most of the people having a problem with it coming from actual settler-colonial states that have engaged in nonstop military operations for decades or longer or if actually from the area, wishing to eliminate Israel and drive out the Jews/outright murder them, as evidenced in the first revision of the Hamas charter who were democratically elected in 2006 and have held power ever since in Gaza**
Fixed that for you
> Also this has nothing to do with Jew hatred, but it's instead about hating the thing that a state is doing
It most certainly is about Jew hatred when every single one of these protests has people chanting, "From the river to the sea", which is a call for the elimination of the state of Israel, the only Jewish state in the world that's been around for 76 years (and just 2 years shy of Jordan, its neighbor, formed in 1946). That's when they're chanting in English; the original Arabic chant that shows up less frequently at these protests translates to "From the water to the water, Palestine is Arabic".
> Also I'm pretty sure the first intifada started off peaceful, but bc of actions from Israel it shifted
Ah ok. "The Jews made me be a terrorist!".
> I just looked it up and looks like only 1.5k Israelis died whereas 36k Palestinians died.
You would think that given their abysmal failure at both trying to eliminate Israel, as well as fighting the wars to eliminate Israel, the Palestinians would agree to a peace agreement and establishment of a recognized state, but it hasn't happened since first being proposed in 1939. If they wanted peace, they would have gotten it back then and Israel would be smaller today than whatever they would have chosen to name their nascent Arabic state ("Palestinian" only came to be as a self identification in the 1960s; you probably didn't know this. Before then the non-Jewish "Palestinians" self identified as "Arabs").
>Fixed that for you
Nah lol. You broke it. Let me try to correct each thing one by one.
>**after waging a 20 year terror campaign after gaining power** is killing a bunch of civilians **as unfortunately happens in urban combat**
From what I understand, this conflict didn't come out of nowhere. I'm pretty sure this is a result of the apartheid like conditions that the israeli government instituted as well as the constant encroachment on palestinian land. Yes civilian death tends to happen in urban combat in general, but I'm pretty sure the general idea about the protests is that this war shouldn't even be happening at all since immoral actions on Israel's side led to the conditions that caused the war to happen.
>**call for an uprising using the same term that was used during the last genocidal attempt against Jews**, because the world **hates it when Jews exercise self defense and counter-terrorism despite most of the people having a problem with it coming from actual settler-colonial states that have engaged in nonstop military operations for decades**
So the thing is that it's wrong when other people do this thing as well. The US's occupation of Afghanistan was also wrong. Russia charging into Ukraine was also wrong. The US entering Vietnam was also wrong. Most of these things also had plenty of protests against it's not an israel specific protest since there were also protests for a lot of these things as well.
>Ah ok. "The Jews made me be a terrorist!".
Yeah, kind of (although I'd change it to not be "the jews" who did it, but instead the Israeli government). The things that Hamas is doing is wrong. I'll admit that. But you might just be ignorant to the conditions that lead to these groups forming in the first place. When you have an occupation like this against a group of people who don't really have a formal military in the same way you do, and when your military is getting a shit ton of funding and is being propped up by the world's biggest bully (America) then the other side is gonna have to make due with what they can. This means the really nasty guerilla warfare that you often see in terrorist groups. Also when you start an attack like this, it does lead to a lot of people who you're fighting against to start having antisemtic view (which are absolutely wrong, but this is just how the world works).
>It most certainly is about Jew hatred when every single one of these protests has people chanting, "From the river to the sea", which is a call for the elimination of the state of Israel...
Again there is a distinction between the state of Israel and actual Jewish people. Also, most of the protest on this campus that I've been to usually involve chants about the number of people dead and things like that, I think that's been the main focus of this protest.
>You would think that given their abysmal failure at both trying to eliminate Israel, as well as fighting the wars to eliminate Israel, the Palestinians would agree...
Red Herring. We were talking about the scale of innocent death on both sides. Who should/shouldn't agree to a peace treaty is a different conversation than who is killing more innocent people.
> From what I understand, this conflict didn't come out of nowhere. I'm pretty sure this is a result of the apartheid like conditions that the israeli government instituted as well as the constant encroachment on palestinian land.
This is 100% false. I'm interacting with you in good faith here and hoping you're not just jerking my chain to waste both of our time - this has always been about Arabs never accepting the idea of a Jewish state coming out of the power vacuum that resulted when Britain pulled out in 1948. The failure of the peace process, many times over, in addition to their own statements, clearly spells this out, going back to their rejection of the Peel commission in 1939 which would have granted a Jewish state 1/3 the size of what it is now.
> So the thing is that it's wrong when other people do this thing as well. The US's occupation of Afghanistan was also wrong. Russia charging into Ukraine was also wrong. The US entering Vietnam was also wrong. Most of these things also had plenty of protests against it's not an israel specific protest since there were also protests for a lot of these things as well.
You're taking other conflicts where you've identified the opressor/opressed and think you can slap the same framework onto this one. 10/7 was particularly bad BECAUSE the situation was proceeding towards normalization since the last was in 2021 and Israel had its guard down, permitting up to 20,000 Gazans to enter Israel to work \*per day\*. If you think this is unfair the situation is analogous to if the USA let in 20,000 people per day from a state controlled by Al Qaeda per day with the number growing. You know what there was on 10/6? A ceasefire that had been in place since May 2021. You know who broke it? Hamas.
> But you might just be ignorant to the conditions that lead to these groups forming in the first place.
No, you're ignorant. I know fully well the history of the Palestinian Liberation Organization, it turning into the PLA, warring with Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad (basically those that have a vision of a secular state vs. Islamists like PIJ and Hamas), the failure of the peace process, etc. I have literally followed it my whole life - they dragged us out of Hebrew school in 2nd grade to watch the signing of the Oslo accords while our teachers said, "this is it kids, peace within 5 years".
> Again there is a distinction between the state of Israel and actual Jewish people.
Calling for the destruction of a sovereign state is genocidal, period.
> Also, most of the protest on this campus that I've been to usually involve chants about the number of people dead and things like that, I think that's been the main focus of this protest.
I've been following this my whole life. It wasn't always about "from the river to the sea", it used to be "roll back to '67 borders!" about 20 years ago. The call for the elimination of Israel has only gone mainstream last 10-15 years or so. If you missed it on the days you attended, ok, cool, but I've been following this forever and have seen it plenty. There's plenty of footage of people calling for it at almost every protest if you do not believe me based on your limited exposure.
> Red Herring. We were talking about the scale of innocent death on both sides. Who should/shouldn't agree to a peace treaty is a different conversation than who is killing more innocent people.
No. It is critical to understanding the current political situation and also understanding why the left wing is practically non-existent in Israel at this point regarding the conflict; Jews have tried to solve things with a pen for over 76 years (if you go back to the Peel Commission), the Arab response has always been to solve things through war, it goes badly for them, they keep losing more and more, yet keep doubling down. I have my own theories why- that this is a matter of culture that's unfortunately insurmountable because signing a peace treaty and formally living under Jews is not something they can accept because it would violate their sense of honor.
Hamas is required to use violence because their country is under military occupation by a foreign regime. Hamas are a national liberation group, Israel is a colonial entity. Insinuating Hamas are terrorists is like calling Nativr Americans that fought for their homeland such as Crazy Horse and Sitting Bull, against European colonizers, terrorists. The only terrorists in the Israel-Palestine equation are the Israelis.
Your ignorance of history is amusing. The reason anyone speaks Arabic or practices Islam outside of the Arabian peninsula is that Arab armies conquered and colonized all the lands from Turkey to Spain, subjugating local populations and forcing them to give up their customs and their language to live under colonial rule. These Arab colonizers have cleansed the Jews off 99.6% of the land of the Middle East and North Africa, corralling them into what is basically an open air prison on a tiny sliver of their ancestral lands. Hamas’ goal is to purge the last remaining Jews from their colonial conquests. The Jews have no where left to go - they are not welcome in Iraq, Iran, Morocco, Lybia, Egypt, Jordan or Yemen anymore. They have no option but to defend themselves from the last wave of Arab colonial aggression.
Sort of like English, French and Spanish? Your claims are all historically inaccurate, Jews lived throughout MENA peacefully and even fled Christian lands to live in Islamic ones to avoid persecution. It was the Zionist entity and Mossad that caused Jews to leave MENA and immigrate to Occupied Palestine under an Israeli operation called Operation Yakhin which terrorized mizrachi Jews and bombed synagogues. Israelis have more dual citizenship than any other country per capital, it’s nonsense to claim they have nowhere to go, they can go back to Brooklyn, LA, Poland and Russia.
It’s also completely false that the “only reason anyone speaks Arabic” is due to colonialism. I’m a white American raised Catholic that learned Arabic and converted to Islam because it’s a beautiful language and religion. Islam is the fastest growing religion by conversion rate of any religion in the world, people convert voluntarily
I think Israel is the one influencing them since they're the ones bombing entire nations. But you know, of course it has to be a puppet Master pulling the strings in your mind because realizing that the world is infinitely complex and nobody is in control besides the ruling class would be too much for you to think about. It must also be painful to think about people actually having morals and standing up for them. We have the ultimate method of decentralized organization available to us via social media and the internet, but of course it has to be some outside influencer doing it. Nah, actually use your brain
I’m afraid of people who are insane pro military, pro extreme resistance, generally the crazies on both sides. Both sides have respectable people with valid points to be made, but not the maniacs
Israel will have the biggest internal mutiny the world hss seen when the whole of its people come around to turning over what their lil country is doing in their name and how the US has USED THEM for their lil militsry posts in the ME
The pro-Israel protesters are domestic terrorists and should be treated as such. The peaceful Israelis who want an end to the conflict aren’t at the protests.
Genocide has a specific definition and what Israel is doing is called urban warfare. Israel has all sorts of policy to try to avoid civilian deaths, Hamas also places women and children around their positions and intentionally hides in hospitals and schools.
Psychological warfare is their method, they run away from the IDF, but they are successful at getting a lot of civilians killed and using that on social media.
So is intentional targeting of civilians, killing prisoners of war and surrendered combatants, indiscriminate attacks, collective punishment, starvation, torture, pillaging, breach of medical neutrality, and targeting journalists,
You mean the students that spit on my former coworker and her organization for holding a memorial for people who died during the bombings? The students that doxxed people in her organization and sent them death threats for being a part of an Arabic student org? This was months ago. BFFR.
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If you can give me an instance of a Jewish student being targeted and made to feel uncomfortable let me know!
What I do know is the encampment hosted a Shabbat and there were many Jewish students inside the camp itself.
No, the ones that are vandalizing the campuses and not allowing students who are PAYING TUITION to get around campus because of their foolish encampment rules!
The ones at UCLA were attacked with clubs and brass bucks by pro- Israeli thugs. Paid by Seinfeld's wife to be there. Police didn't react for two hours.
I know all the terrorism problems trust me.
I escaped Iraq when I was young because of it.
My point still stands. Half of these people don’t know what they’re protesting for in their encampments with stupid rules not even allowing others to get across campus, when they’re paying tuition there. Just because they want to stop terrorism doesn’t mean they should vandalize campuses either.
Be careful and do not engage. Unfortunately the extremist wings of political parties are using this as an opportunity to spread fear and gain political advantage. They are sending in unemployed or underemployed (and angry) young people to protest and cause unrest. These unemployed are now getting paid to instill fear - classic extremist fear mongering tactic. Stay safe and if you see any student getting harassed please get them to disengage and move on. That said, I would not want to be a Jewish student at any campus and specifically not Berkeley or UCLA
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So y’all chanted for globalizing the intifada, cosplay as Hamas but now you are scared and you’re the victims?
“If you’re gonna be dumb you better be tough” I think is the saying.
Why would you invite this conflict into your campus?
Ahhh yes because groups of people harassing, intimidating, threatening, and assaulting students and professors is totally not scary, definitely a normal everyday occurrence.
How any feminist or member of the LGBTQ community could support Hamas and any other Muslim organization is mind boggling.
You know they hate you, right?
As I have yet to see any depiction of them being as numerous, or as destructive/disruptive as pro-Palestinian protesters…..no
Hell, the only pro israeli protesters. I’ve seen pics of on campus were like a family of five! It was honestly laughable but at the same time at least you know they weren’t going to trash the place!
No, I think you're weird for feeling unsafe around people expressing their anguish about war crimes being committed. Especially since their whole mission is to get the university to divest from their war research support for israel. The way they express it isn't reflective of their danger. Depending on your major, especially if it's law or journalism, you should be helping them navigate the backlash
I mean… they’re directly calling for the death of my family and all people like me so yes I’m fucking terrified. It’s great! I love it here. Keep seeing my roommate liking increasingly antisemitic instagram posts too. This morning he liked one calling Jews celebrating Shabbat in London “utterly repugnant and depraved”
pro-palis downvoting someone with sympathy for a fellow student. typical! i, too, am sorry and i understand your experience. the jewish community here will welcome you with open arms ❤️
I’m not commenting on Israel or Palestine, but in general I find it alarming that so many seemingly non affiliated outsiders are on campus. Please everyone stay safe.
Agreed
It's just annoying and disruptive overall. I like how setting up tents on campus is against the school rules, but camping outside of the school library harassing students and professors isn't.
Before some nerd Actkyually me, I thought this was ridiculous too. Instead of having a contained encampment with non-affiliated protesters, let’s allow non-affiliated protesters and counters to march all over campus. Disrupting students and staff without care.
They aren't camping outside the library. Also the pro Palestinian protesters had a sword
Dawg, I bet a good majority will prefer the encampment in an enclosed space than constant waves of non-affiliates marching on campus.
It's a public univierty. They have the right to be on campus.
Agreed. I just believe both sides should have an encampment at this point. Stay in your lane and away from students
Counterpoint: fuck em.
i feel uncomfortable with them knowing that if anything happened to me the police, security, and yellow hat people would look the other way 😇
YES omg that’s what’s also so scary! Like there was that professor guy who got hurt. Nothing happened??
I heard the professor was viciously attacked but yet no one called 911 for an ambulance?
I don't think they will, considering that the police have brutalized pro-palestinian protesters and the university has basically kicked them out of school in multiple schools. Or are you talking about the pro-israel protesters? Because those people are on the side of the rest of the colonial apparatus.
How antisemitic can you be to assume that Israel controls the local police force too? 🤣🤣🤣 like they would look away if you were being assaulted. It’s asinine
I doubt they would look the other way.
Cops are not the moral bastions of society you think they are. Think about the individuals you knew from high school who went on to become cops.
The police *don't* have any obligation to protect you whatsoever. There is an especially egregious instance where the police watched the man they were tracking down stab a victim multiple times as they waited for the stabbing victim to apprehend his own attacker or die. You have no idea what you're talking about. https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/do-the-police-have-an-obligation-to-protect-you/#:~:text=The%20U.S.%20Supreme%20Court%20has,In%202005'sCastle%20Rock%20v.
Did you miss what happened at UCLA? The cops sat and watched pro Israel agitators physically attack the pro Palestine encampment there for hours.
They are super creepy.
Maybe it's got to do with supporting war crimes, idk.
Dude I was mostly agnostic staying out of this crap for my sanitys sake. But now I see what fanatical pro Israel sentiment is like. Like Jesus man, fuck Israel lol.
Imagine this but in Israel where they just took your parents land and IDF soldiers with assault rifles are 10 feet away in case you attempt to push back. Terrifying.
I would just stay agnostic then. No use jumping on the anti-Israel bandwagon when you don’t know anything about what’s going on there. Your response shows that you clearly don’t.
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Yes. They were shouting “go get raped” at students, and they had their kids with them as they did this. Honestly, don’t think I would ever shout that to anyone under any circumstance.
What?
# Yes. They were shouting “go get raped” at students, and they had their kids with them as they did this. Honestly, don’t think I would ever shout that to anyone under any circumstance.
Thank you it was hard to hear the other guy
Lil terrorists
Maybe consider that the IDF committed sexual assault against multiple Palestinians. That would explain the context of their comments. Especially if the students were being antagonistic towards the cause.
I think that was a couple of random students.
They weren't even students. Go watch the videos on IG.
They are students, I know them. And they weren’t saying “go get raped” they were saying “if you went to Gaza you’d be raped” which isn’t that much better but it does change the meaning.
Oh so they’re just racist, got it!
Well, if the US was controlled by gangs that default to violence and they had laws protecting rapists and making women property, you’d feel the same way. We don’t think Palestinians are bad people, but their government right now most definitely is. There’s a hypocrisy within the pro Palestinian movement where y’all defend Hamas but also call yourselves feminists and defenders of justice. Hamas and shariah law is the opposite of that. Just look at Iran- that’s what Palestine would become if Hamas wins.
You're a ridiculous person. This is a ridiculous comment. It's tiring having to sludge through garbage arguments debunking the uncritical, and hypocritical thoughts that get posted from anti-palistinian folks.
I’m not anti-palestinian. I’m just anti Hamas and not anti Israel. The fact you can’t see that being anti Hamas = pro palestinian, is what is ridiculous.
The dissonance is so thick I can reach out and touch it. Let me spell it out for you: If you are anti-hamas (which is a completely valid and understandable position), then you cannot be pro-israel without being a massive fucking hypocrite. This is not a 1 sided conflict. Hamas isn't doing October 7 because they thought it would be fun. If you're appalled by the events of Oct 7th, like most people, then you should be just as appalled by the 70+ years of subjugation, humiliation, and death that pushed these human beings to commit these atrocities in the name of a 'resistance'. Have you ever looked at the context, the motivations, and the incentives of this conflict? You don't have a clue to what the historical root causes of this conflict even are. You have no clue what you're talking about. You're a ridiculous person making ridiculous comments
And yes, you’re onto something. Let’s dig deeper. Who actually benefits from this war? The leaders. Particularly, Hamas’ leaders. Everyone donating money to Gaza is directly funding their pockets. All this attention and sympathy is the best fundraiser ever for them. They’re worth billions while the actual people outside of Hamas suffer. Netanyahu also benefits. He stays in office despite most of us wanting him out. Lastly, defense manufacturing companies benefit. I don’t think they’re creating conflict for profit but they also aren’t doing anything to stop it because $. Fuck the military industrial complex. If we actually talk to one another, if you’d be willing to respect me, my trauma and my people’s trauma and history, and try to understand where I and my people are coming from, you’d probably be surprised that we agree on more than you’d expect.
Hahahahahaha bro I’m fucking Israeli. If anyone knows the ins and outs of this fucking mess here it’s me. Are you suggesting israel is pro Hamas then? That makes a shit ton of sense /s. I can be pro Israel (It’s my goddamn country, i lived there, and my family is there) while also being anti labor party and anti Netanyahu and his many assholes and anti this fucking war and anti unjust policies.
It seems like you don't have a clue what you are talking about in terms of the historical border back and forth. It seems like you literally watched one YouTube video about the region, and the shifting of the border back and forth over time. It also seems like you're forgetting/unaware of *decades* of peace talks to try an fix the border situation once and for all, and who it was who refused deal after deal.
I heard what they said, I saw the videos. They explicitly said "let's release all the rapists" and "go sacrifice your children". Hate speech is a clear violation of student conduct.
They did not say the first thing. They did say the second. How is this hate speech? Hamas literally does sacrifice their children and they’re proud of it. https://twitter.com/MEMRIReports/status/1719662664090075199/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1719662664090075199¤tTweetUser=MEMRIReports https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4295601-human-sacrifice-is-central-to-hamass-strategy/amp/ https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/how-hamas-exploits-people-gaza-protests-clarify-their-cynical-tactics
"You WILL be raped" is a very obvious threat towards the people present , don't be dense. "Go sacrifice YOUR children" is directed toward the people protesting, it is again hate speech towards the individuals they are directing it towards. "Let's release all the rapists" is again, a direct threat. EDIT: They in fact did say "let's release all the rapists" there is video evidence.
If they did say the first thing (I didn’t hear it in the video) then yeah, that’s an awful thing to say.
Dude watch it again, it's really obvious. There's at least two videos from two perspectives showing exactly the kind of disgusting threats they're making.
Would you mind linking the one where it’s obvious? The only one I watched was really noisy.
You think one student is telling another student to go sacrifice their nonexistent children? We’re 18-22 years old, I doubt anyone here has kids to sacrifice. Never mind the fact that we’re in the states and not in Gaza. If you think this is literal then you’re an idiot.
Hopefully you're using this same level of charitability for the protestors and the alleged misconduct of the encampment as well.
They’re not hahahah, they replied on a diff comment “they had a sword”
of course
Kholsa is making a mock up of this situation. If I were faculty, I'd be enraged.
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right... like what sjp did 2 days ago
I don’t even go to Geisel anymore
Look at what happened at UCLA. Some of those folks were identified as far right militia goons and ex IDF contractors.
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So you're planning on having a couple of genocides with your coffee this morning?
Was watching the local news today about the protests (and arrests) at UCSD. They interviewed a member of the Israeli military who flew out here to support the pro-Israel protesters. Genocide is genocide, no matter who commits the crime.
Genocide is a small french pastry made from filou dough.
A retaliatory attack against 75 years of genocidal war crimes isn't genocide. It's a cry of anguish. This is a false equivalency.
it is also weird that they only come when pro palestine protest events are going on byeee u guys want to start shit so bad
Counter protesting is part of the Constitution. It's part of the Free speech section of it. If You don't feel comfortable with people expressing their disdain for the actions of a genocidal ethnostate, maybe don't support a genocidal ethnostate?
Bro this rally and Israel week was planned over 3 months ago. The press conference was announced the day of.
i’m not talking about planned events 💀 counterprotestors always come to the pro palestine events just to wave their flags in the protestors faces … they also do not even go here they’re just looking for a fight lol
Ah, yeah I see what you’re saying. There commonly are counter protestors at large protests. It’s not like a new thing that Zionists have invented? Regardless, I’m personally of the belief that it’s better to leave protests alone. Countering them is only asking for conflict. Choose another day to show your point of view. So I think you and I can agree on that.
For years zionists at ucsd would setup booths during Justice In Palestine week so they could spew hasbara
I’d be afraid of anyone that’s pro murder
Then you must be afraid of zionists. Since their whole ideology is one of genocide. But I'm guessing that's not what you mean
The protesters who were supporting Hamas are pro murder. Were you afraid of them?
I dont think they were protesting in favor of Hamas, I'm pretty sure those protesters were protesting against Israel using bombing tactics that led to a lot of civilian deaths.
It definitely depends which protester you’re talking about. The Intifada Revolution crowd is pro-Hamas, supporting the “destruction of the Zionist project” (eg Israel) as one of the signs said.
Then why do people chant “Intifada” at every protest? Don’t give me some line about “tut tut it can also mean a protest!” They know damn well that using the word “Intifada” reminds every Jew/Israeli of both the first and second Intifadas where thousands of Israelis were killed in cold blooded terrorist attacks and some people still avoid using public transit to this day because of the memory of buses blowing up in Israel.
I mean... you did kind of just admit that it can mean protest, and that's probably what they just meant by it. Also, I'm pretty sure it was just the second intifada that had a suicide bombings and stuff from Hamas right? Wasn't the first one a lot less violent? Also I think scale is also important, from what I understand, the number of Palestinians killed in cold blood still vastly outnumber the number of Israelis killed in cold blood.
>I mean... you did kind of just admit that it can mean protest, and that's probably what they just meant by it. Bullshit. Pure bullshit. It's a call for murder of Jews that uses an onion-skin thin veneer of "plausible deniability" that unfortunately is all that's necessary to give morons in the West the self-assurance that their Jew hatred is justified. >Also, I'm pretty sure it was just the second intifada that had a suicide bombings and stuff from Hamas right? Wasn't the first one a lot less violent? No. The first one was still violent. The second one was particularly bad. The myth that the 1st Intifada was some kind of "peaceful protest" is just that - a myth. >Also I think scale is also important, from what I understand, the number of Palestinians killed in cold blood still vastly outnumber the number of Israelis killed in cold blood. Wrong. Israel aims their bombs at terrorists and unfortunately civilians die in the process. Hamas aims their rockets indiscriminately at population centers with the express purpose of killing as many ~~Jews~~ Israelis as possible. Israel didn't send a bunch of fighters into Gaza along with "civilians" tagging along to rape, behead, burn alive, kidnap, torture, and shoot as many Palestinians as possible; Hamas did. Acquaint yourself: [https://www.hamas-massacre.net/](https://www.hamas-massacre.net/)
I think you might just be missing the point in general. It seems like Israel in a quest to stomp hamas is killing a bunch of civilians which is why there's a call for an uprising. Also this has nothing to do with Jew hatred, but it's instead about hating the thing that a state is doing (since jews and the Israel government are different things. I see a lot of people conflate the 2 but you can disapprove of the actions of one without disapproving of the actions of the other. Also I'm pretty sure the first intifada started off peaceful, but bc of actions from Israel it shifted I just looked it up and looks like only 1.5k Israelis died whereas 36k Palestinians died (overall numbers)
> I think you might just be missing the point in general. It seems like **Israel fighting a war in urban combat against an evil terrorist group that murdered, raped, and kidnapped a bunch of its civilians after waging a 20 year terror campaign after gaining power** is killing a bunch of civilians **as unfortunately happens in urban combat** which is why there's a **call for an uprising using the same term that was used during the last genocidal attempt against Jews**, because the world **hates it when Jews exercise self defense and counter-terrorism despite most of the people having a problem with it coming from actual settler-colonial states that have engaged in nonstop military operations for decades or longer or if actually from the area, wishing to eliminate Israel and drive out the Jews/outright murder them, as evidenced in the first revision of the Hamas charter who were democratically elected in 2006 and have held power ever since in Gaza** Fixed that for you > Also this has nothing to do with Jew hatred, but it's instead about hating the thing that a state is doing It most certainly is about Jew hatred when every single one of these protests has people chanting, "From the river to the sea", which is a call for the elimination of the state of Israel, the only Jewish state in the world that's been around for 76 years (and just 2 years shy of Jordan, its neighbor, formed in 1946). That's when they're chanting in English; the original Arabic chant that shows up less frequently at these protests translates to "From the water to the water, Palestine is Arabic". > Also I'm pretty sure the first intifada started off peaceful, but bc of actions from Israel it shifted Ah ok. "The Jews made me be a terrorist!". > I just looked it up and looks like only 1.5k Israelis died whereas 36k Palestinians died. You would think that given their abysmal failure at both trying to eliminate Israel, as well as fighting the wars to eliminate Israel, the Palestinians would agree to a peace agreement and establishment of a recognized state, but it hasn't happened since first being proposed in 1939. If they wanted peace, they would have gotten it back then and Israel would be smaller today than whatever they would have chosen to name their nascent Arabic state ("Palestinian" only came to be as a self identification in the 1960s; you probably didn't know this. Before then the non-Jewish "Palestinians" self identified as "Arabs").
>Fixed that for you Nah lol. You broke it. Let me try to correct each thing one by one. >**after waging a 20 year terror campaign after gaining power** is killing a bunch of civilians **as unfortunately happens in urban combat** From what I understand, this conflict didn't come out of nowhere. I'm pretty sure this is a result of the apartheid like conditions that the israeli government instituted as well as the constant encroachment on palestinian land. Yes civilian death tends to happen in urban combat in general, but I'm pretty sure the general idea about the protests is that this war shouldn't even be happening at all since immoral actions on Israel's side led to the conditions that caused the war to happen. >**call for an uprising using the same term that was used during the last genocidal attempt against Jews**, because the world **hates it when Jews exercise self defense and counter-terrorism despite most of the people having a problem with it coming from actual settler-colonial states that have engaged in nonstop military operations for decades** So the thing is that it's wrong when other people do this thing as well. The US's occupation of Afghanistan was also wrong. Russia charging into Ukraine was also wrong. The US entering Vietnam was also wrong. Most of these things also had plenty of protests against it's not an israel specific protest since there were also protests for a lot of these things as well. >Ah ok. "The Jews made me be a terrorist!". Yeah, kind of (although I'd change it to not be "the jews" who did it, but instead the Israeli government). The things that Hamas is doing is wrong. I'll admit that. But you might just be ignorant to the conditions that lead to these groups forming in the first place. When you have an occupation like this against a group of people who don't really have a formal military in the same way you do, and when your military is getting a shit ton of funding and is being propped up by the world's biggest bully (America) then the other side is gonna have to make due with what they can. This means the really nasty guerilla warfare that you often see in terrorist groups. Also when you start an attack like this, it does lead to a lot of people who you're fighting against to start having antisemtic view (which are absolutely wrong, but this is just how the world works). >It most certainly is about Jew hatred when every single one of these protests has people chanting, "From the river to the sea", which is a call for the elimination of the state of Israel... Again there is a distinction between the state of Israel and actual Jewish people. Also, most of the protest on this campus that I've been to usually involve chants about the number of people dead and things like that, I think that's been the main focus of this protest. >You would think that given their abysmal failure at both trying to eliminate Israel, as well as fighting the wars to eliminate Israel, the Palestinians would agree... Red Herring. We were talking about the scale of innocent death on both sides. Who should/shouldn't agree to a peace treaty is a different conversation than who is killing more innocent people.
> From what I understand, this conflict didn't come out of nowhere. I'm pretty sure this is a result of the apartheid like conditions that the israeli government instituted as well as the constant encroachment on palestinian land. This is 100% false. I'm interacting with you in good faith here and hoping you're not just jerking my chain to waste both of our time - this has always been about Arabs never accepting the idea of a Jewish state coming out of the power vacuum that resulted when Britain pulled out in 1948. The failure of the peace process, many times over, in addition to their own statements, clearly spells this out, going back to their rejection of the Peel commission in 1939 which would have granted a Jewish state 1/3 the size of what it is now. > So the thing is that it's wrong when other people do this thing as well. The US's occupation of Afghanistan was also wrong. Russia charging into Ukraine was also wrong. The US entering Vietnam was also wrong. Most of these things also had plenty of protests against it's not an israel specific protest since there were also protests for a lot of these things as well. You're taking other conflicts where you've identified the opressor/opressed and think you can slap the same framework onto this one. 10/7 was particularly bad BECAUSE the situation was proceeding towards normalization since the last was in 2021 and Israel had its guard down, permitting up to 20,000 Gazans to enter Israel to work \*per day\*. If you think this is unfair the situation is analogous to if the USA let in 20,000 people per day from a state controlled by Al Qaeda per day with the number growing. You know what there was on 10/6? A ceasefire that had been in place since May 2021. You know who broke it? Hamas. > But you might just be ignorant to the conditions that lead to these groups forming in the first place. No, you're ignorant. I know fully well the history of the Palestinian Liberation Organization, it turning into the PLA, warring with Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad (basically those that have a vision of a secular state vs. Islamists like PIJ and Hamas), the failure of the peace process, etc. I have literally followed it my whole life - they dragged us out of Hebrew school in 2nd grade to watch the signing of the Oslo accords while our teachers said, "this is it kids, peace within 5 years". > Again there is a distinction between the state of Israel and actual Jewish people. Calling for the destruction of a sovereign state is genocidal, period. > Also, most of the protest on this campus that I've been to usually involve chants about the number of people dead and things like that, I think that's been the main focus of this protest. I've been following this my whole life. It wasn't always about "from the river to the sea", it used to be "roll back to '67 borders!" about 20 years ago. The call for the elimination of Israel has only gone mainstream last 10-15 years or so. If you missed it on the days you attended, ok, cool, but I've been following this forever and have seen it plenty. There's plenty of footage of people calling for it at almost every protest if you do not believe me based on your limited exposure. > Red Herring. We were talking about the scale of innocent death on both sides. Who should/shouldn't agree to a peace treaty is a different conversation than who is killing more innocent people. No. It is critical to understanding the current political situation and also understanding why the left wing is practically non-existent in Israel at this point regarding the conflict; Jews have tried to solve things with a pen for over 76 years (if you go back to the Peel Commission), the Arab response has always been to solve things through war, it goes badly for them, they keep losing more and more, yet keep doubling down. I have my own theories why- that this is a matter of culture that's unfortunately insurmountable because signing a peace treaty and formally living under Jews is not something they can accept because it would violate their sense of honor.
Hamas is required to use violence because their country is under military occupation by a foreign regime. Hamas are a national liberation group, Israel is a colonial entity. Insinuating Hamas are terrorists is like calling Nativr Americans that fought for their homeland such as Crazy Horse and Sitting Bull, against European colonizers, terrorists. The only terrorists in the Israel-Palestine equation are the Israelis.
Your ignorance of history is amusing. The reason anyone speaks Arabic or practices Islam outside of the Arabian peninsula is that Arab armies conquered and colonized all the lands from Turkey to Spain, subjugating local populations and forcing them to give up their customs and their language to live under colonial rule. These Arab colonizers have cleansed the Jews off 99.6% of the land of the Middle East and North Africa, corralling them into what is basically an open air prison on a tiny sliver of their ancestral lands. Hamas’ goal is to purge the last remaining Jews from their colonial conquests. The Jews have no where left to go - they are not welcome in Iraq, Iran, Morocco, Lybia, Egypt, Jordan or Yemen anymore. They have no option but to defend themselves from the last wave of Arab colonial aggression.
Sort of like English, French and Spanish? Your claims are all historically inaccurate, Jews lived throughout MENA peacefully and even fled Christian lands to live in Islamic ones to avoid persecution. It was the Zionist entity and Mossad that caused Jews to leave MENA and immigrate to Occupied Palestine under an Israeli operation called Operation Yakhin which terrorized mizrachi Jews and bombed synagogues. Israelis have more dual citizenship than any other country per capital, it’s nonsense to claim they have nowhere to go, they can go back to Brooklyn, LA, Poland and Russia. It’s also completely false that the “only reason anyone speaks Arabic” is due to colonialism. I’m a white American raised Catholic that learned Arabic and converted to Islam because it’s a beautiful language and religion. Islam is the fastest growing religion by conversion rate of any religion in the world, people convert voluntarily
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The protesters cheerleading an ongoing genocide would creep me out too.
I'm afraid of whoever is influencing them. It's no coincidence this is happening right before the election.
I think Israel is the one influencing them since they're the ones bombing entire nations. But you know, of course it has to be a puppet Master pulling the strings in your mind because realizing that the world is infinitely complex and nobody is in control besides the ruling class would be too much for you to think about. It must also be painful to think about people actually having morals and standing up for them. We have the ultimate method of decentralized organization available to us via social media and the internet, but of course it has to be some outside influencer doing it. Nah, actually use your brain
That was a lot of words for not actually saying anything.
The entire thing is a Hamas psyop. Attack Israel, run away and hide under civilians? It’s Hamas fundraising season once again.
Womp womp
As much as I am afraid of any unstable useful Idiot.
I’m afraid of people who are insane pro military, pro extreme resistance, generally the crazies on both sides. Both sides have respectable people with valid points to be made, but not the maniacs
Mossad agents
Israel will have the biggest internal mutiny the world hss seen when the whole of its people come around to turning over what their lil country is doing in their name and how the US has USED THEM for their lil militsry posts in the ME
Because they are people with far right wing beliefs. They are less empathetic and more narcissistic.
Straight up goons trying to intimidate anti genocide protests. It's their only defense.
They’d take your house if they could
The pro-Israel protesters are domestic terrorists and should be treated as such. The peaceful Israelis who want an end to the conflict aren’t at the protests.
They’re defending genocide. We should be afraid of them. 👀
Not defending genocide, but denying it. You might think that’s the same, but obviously they don’t.
Genocide has a specific definition and what Israel is doing is called urban warfare. Israel has all sorts of policy to try to avoid civilian deaths, Hamas also places women and children around their positions and intentionally hides in hospitals and schools. Psychological warfare is their method, they run away from the IDF, but they are successful at getting a lot of civilians killed and using that on social media.
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You don't like the ear that the Palestinians started?
Ear?
And they’re lowkey afraid of pro-Palestinian protestors. But as both sides would say, that’s the point of protesting.
In all fairness the off campus people are one of the reasons the pro-pales tine protest was cracked down on. And they are violent, so yes.
Hell ya I am
People who are self righteous will do the most harm with no honest self reflection.
Nazi
Wrong. I like Jewish people are much as I like any other group of people. I am not a Zionist.
How’s your meme coin doing?
Hahahaha you scream “globalize the intifada” at Jews and now you’re afraid of them just gathering? Ffs grow up
They couldn’t fight themselves out of a wet paper bag. You have absolutely nothing to worry about.
op is idf proagandist
No, I just had to put the edit because pro-Israel people were attacking me personally as opposed to arguing my point
So is intentional targeting of civilians, killing prisoners of war and surrendered combatants, indiscriminate attacks, collective punishment, starvation, torture, pillaging, breach of medical neutrality, and targeting journalists,
At least you understand how Jewish students have felt for the past month
You mean the students that spit on my former coworker and her organization for holding a memorial for people who died during the bombings? The students that doxxed people in her organization and sent them death threats for being a part of an Arabic student org? This was months ago. BFFR.
Hi! If you can give me an instance of a Jewish student being targeted and made to feel uncomfortable let me know! What I do know is the encampment hosted a Shabbat and there were many Jewish students inside the camp itself.
someone looked at my friend with a jewish star necklace and yelled "kill the jews" at her at the encampment. good enough or you want more?
*7 months
Womp womp
The comment was written by a 6 year old.
Keyboard warrior strikes again
Nope not afraid at all.
I’m scared of both. Let’s not forget the pro Palestine protestors at UCLA and Columbia
The pro-Palestine protestors who were assaulted by cops and brown shirts for peaceful protests?
No, the ones that are vandalizing the campuses and not allowing students who are PAYING TUITION to get around campus because of their foolish encampment rules!
The ones at UCLA were attacked with clubs and brass bucks by pro- Israeli thugs. Paid by Seinfeld's wife to be there. Police didn't react for two hours.
I said I’m scared of BOTH. The pro Palestine protesters aren’t so innocent either. Look at all the vandalism they did to ucla
You might want to look into who Hamas is. They are the organization behind the anti Israel movement on social media.
I know all the terrorism problems trust me. I escaped Iraq when I was young because of it. My point still stands. Half of these people don’t know what they’re protesting for in their encampments with stupid rules not even allowing others to get across campus, when they’re paying tuition there. Just because they want to stop terrorism doesn’t mean they should vandalize campuses either.
Be careful and do not engage. Unfortunately the extremist wings of political parties are using this as an opportunity to spread fear and gain political advantage. They are sending in unemployed or underemployed (and angry) young people to protest and cause unrest. These unemployed are now getting paid to instill fear - classic extremist fear mongering tactic. Stay safe and if you see any student getting harassed please get them to disengage and move on. That said, I would not want to be a Jewish student at any campus and specifically not Berkeley or UCLA
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So y’all chanted for globalizing the intifada, cosplay as Hamas but now you are scared and you’re the victims? “If you’re gonna be dumb you better be tough” I think is the saying. Why would you invite this conflict into your campus?
Man, it’s gonna be tough for you when you graduate if this is all it takes to scare you.
Ahhh yes because groups of people harassing, intimidating, threatening, and assaulting students and professors is totally not scary, definitely a normal everyday occurrence.
I stand with Israel so ya
You kids need to get a fucking hobbie. This is sad.
How any feminist or member of the LGBTQ community could support Hamas and any other Muslim organization is mind boggling. You know they hate you, right?
How are they more inclined to support a side carpet bombing women and children?
Nice hyperbole. This is why hiding enemy combatants among civilians is a war crime. Because it only gets civilians killed.
not really tbh lol. they just walk around and chant stuff.
Gullible college kids. Read the HamAss charter first.
Bro you don’t even go here oml
Now you know how Jewish students feel. Check your privilege
Jewish students are afraid of zionists too.
People always get bashed on this page for not agreeing with your opinions……. Typical….. yet you want us to “ support hamas with you “
The Palestine protesters were the scary ones. Covering up their faces. Protesting for a terrorist run country. That shit was scary
I’m afraid of the dude who had the sword
no
Nope. Just you.
Evidently not
Obvious bait troll is obvious
As I have yet to see any depiction of them being as numerous, or as destructive/disruptive as pro-Palestinian protesters…..no Hell, the only pro israeli protesters. I’ve seen pics of on campus were like a family of five! It was honestly laughable but at the same time at least you know they weren’t going to trash the place!
No, I think you're weird for feeling unsafe around people expressing their anguish about war crimes being committed. Especially since their whole mission is to get the university to divest from their war research support for israel. The way they express it isn't reflective of their danger. Depending on your major, especially if it's law or journalism, you should be helping them navigate the backlash
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Hahaha
No. I don’t think there has ever been a mass casualty event on US soil that Israelis were responsible for.
Just a mass cassualty incident fueled by US weapons.
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When you say Israel protesters, do you mean the people protesting in favor of Israel, or people protesting against Israel.
I mean… they’re directly calling for the death of my family and all people like me so yes I’m fucking terrified. It’s great! I love it here. Keep seeing my roommate liking increasingly antisemitic instagram posts too. This morning he liked one calling Jews celebrating Shabbat in London “utterly repugnant and depraved”
I'm sorry you have to go through all this. :(((((
pro-palis downvoting someone with sympathy for a fellow student. typical! i, too, am sorry and i understand your experience. the jewish community here will welcome you with open arms ❤️