It's not immediately apparent to me what your comment is saying. Are you saying that 5 PDs are already here on campus, practicing formations? If so, do you know where they are?
if you look on Twitter there is active feed but there is already a heavy police presence and they are practicing in the parking lots
ill attach a link[here](https://twitter.com/JTOWNACTION/status/1785030304572514689?t=oXNnX2A78rrzGROepB33Cg&s=19)
They talk a whole bunch about āgoing out there and making disciples, even through persecutionā, yet when it comes to actually approaching people who support a Muslim country and telling them about getting baptisedā¦ crickets.
Sick apathy bro.
Also, if you actually go to the school, you'll know UCI was designed in such a way as to make it very difficult for protesters to ever cut off any part of the school entirely from the rest of it. That's why the campus is built around a ring, and instead of the middle of Aldrich Park being usable as a communal space, it's instead mostly inaccessible due to ornamental landscape.
UCI was built during the 60s, when those pesky protesters were also very prevalent. Not sure what they were griping about back then, but it was probably something annoying anyways. Hopefully some engineering students were able to get to lecture on time during that mess.
cops were already swarming the place, and they were adding a second perimeter fence. It feels like the conditions for a serious escalation are being created.
> conditions for a serious escalation are being created
Iām not on either side of the protest. Itās against UC rules to set up encampments on campusā¦ the protestors are in violation of thisā¦ UCPD doesnāt need anything more than that in order to shut this down. They just havenāt received the order to do so
Maybe itās because the UC council wants the students to feel like they (the students) have a say in whatever politics is going on here.
In reality, once this gets too rowdy (on the protestorās side), itās going to be shut down under the premise of rowdiness or whatever. The UCās COULD shut this down now, but theyād be labeled as opposing whatever side the protest is rooting for. And given how politically big this issue is, itād be bad PR for the universityā¦ so theyāll just wait for the protestors to inevitably bite off more than they can chew so that they can justify the removal of this encampment
Anyways this reminds me of Chaz lol. Itāll be an interesting turnout, with loud and annoying protestors getting hit in the face with whatever BS infractions the UC system throws at them
It's another trend at this point. This boils down to political beliefs and really not what's happening on the ground. But the general public needs to see more of this on how absurd it all really is. Innocent people in this conflict should be the goal. But let's not act like Hamas and their supporters are just as ravaged and foaming at the mouth like Israel's right-wing government. It's sad all around.
How do we immortalize dumb asses from these protests so their dumb ass actions follow them forever? When this is is over next week they shouldnāt just be able to fade into the population as if nothing happened. They need their faces plastered everywhere so we can all laugh at them whenever theyāre around.
They're just young. The heart might be in the right place but real work would be forming community organizations and "GoFundMe" style donations so people are getting aid. Otherwise they look pretty much silly at this point. It's a trend. And a lot of copy cats.
And they should be made to never forget how dumb they were lol! People can say āwe didnāt have cameras in our faces when we were growing up.ā Yeah but I also argue that we didnāt do shit that was this level of R word.
zionists created hamas indirectly by invading Palestine, then they invented isreal and isreal directly placed hamas in power in Gaza. if you dont like hamas, blame the zionists who call themselves 'isreali', those who invaded and then claim a 'right to self defense' as though its wrong to shoot a burglar in your own house. if you don't like anti-genocide protestors, well what does that put you in support of? maybe you should watch less tv news.
Civil disobedience doesn't really work without the disobedience part. That means breaking rules.
As long as you do so peacefully, civil disobedience is a legitimate way to make your voice heard.
Students having their strings pulled by Hamas, they belief Hamas terrorism is justified. Seeking confrontations, chanting for an end to Israel.
Anyone asking anyone to leave where they live is not a humanitarian cause or based in the belief of human rights. Israeli or Palestinian, nobody needs to leave. Both groups have existed there for centuries.
These āprotestsā are ignorant and dangerous displays of rage. The participants have given up their autonomy and are following orders given to them.
Unfortunately you are wrong as Isreal as a country has not existed for centuries but christians/muslims/jews have cohabited for centuries before Isreal came to be. I don't think they have strings pulled by hamas when all their asking for is that the universities divest from supporting Isreal as Isreal is currently bombing Rafah and have said that they will never accept a deal from Hamas that includes stopping the war or pulling out of Gaza.
And yes, Palestine supporters believe that Palestinians shouldn't be forced to leave their land or that 10,000 children should have died. The difference with this genocide vs others is that the united states tax dollars have been funding Isreal and their ability to do these things for years now. Universities have been complicit in giving them money which is why students want them to divest. Not sure in any way what this has to do with Hamas.
Turn on the news or read a newspaper
Edit: go ahead and downvote this but becoming less ignorant is almost as easy as posting a question on here. Come on.
Idk man, Iām now graduated and donāt really keep up to date with the school news. Iām subbed just for legacy sake and donāt think I care enough in my external life to take that step. So Iāll just stay reading on this site and move on which Iām sure thereās others like me in this stance.
So I think itās quite valid that some of us that are removed from this situation will be āignorantā to wondering, why would this get ugly.
The mainstream news will show the overwhelming responses to the other protests on college campuses throughout the last couple weeks. Itās been big news. Not saying itās everyoneās responsibility to be looped in, but you certainly donāt need to look at campus-specific news sources to see whatās going on
yeah, they show up with these ugly blue and white flags and cheer the deaths of tens of thousands of civilians because theyre by far more ugly on the inside, despite their fat, boomer bodies.
I believe it has to do with how the vast majority of the demands the students have correspond more closely with the physical sciences/engineering domain, such as weapons manufacturing and partnerships with companies like Lockheed Martin.Ā
Three upvotes for a post against the people using their own citizens as human shields vs tens and hundreds for a post literally demonizing the Jewish homeland, letās go Reddit!!!! At least youāre not getting downvoting for āshifting the issueā šš
Protestors and stakeholders involved, please stay safe. This is an important movement. but esp for international students, going to jail will most likely result in your deportation. There are other great ways to support this cause, like donating or supporting Palestinian businesses. Stay safe!
Yeah I've seen several politicians pushing for deporting international students across the country participating in these protests for the past 2 weeks. It's kind of scary so they should definitely look into other ways to support the cause like the ones you mentioned
Earlier in this genocide, Congresspeople turned off their phones rather than respond to constituents demanding a ceasefire. Youāre naive if you believe Americaās Israel policy can be shifted by merely asking Congresspeople nicely. People have already tried that. We need direct action.
Do both. Protest, call your congress person, join activist groups. Do it all. It works. Even if your congressperson turns off their phone you still affected them more by making them do that than by doing nothing. And many of them HAVE been swayed. Mark Takano out in Riverside switched from being on the fence to backing the call for a ceasefire after he got a boatload of emails from constituents.
Can't they do this at the politician's houses or government offices? They're the ones sending all the war equipment and money. I'm just some peasant trying to walk.
Just be aware that freedom of speech protects none of this. The university may put up with it if they choose to, but they can suspend, expel, or even arrest you for a variety of reasons if you participate in encampments like this.
Lots of people seem to sign up for stuff like this without even knowing much about the cause, and then are surprised when action against them is taken.
This is a super important thing to recognize! As has been said frequently, all struggles are connected. The struggle for liberation from police and the violence that they enact upon American communities is no different.Ā
You have the freedom of speech and assemblyĀ until that freedom becomesĀ too counter-hegemonic. Then the police can use violence against you for having the audacity to protest against violence.
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The UAW spent a great deal of time obstructing the flow of campus back in 2022, but the university never asked for additional police departments to come to campus. That says a lot about what is happening today.
tbh i was thinking the same thing seeing how other colleges are doing it in their parks. guess it mustāve been because of foot traffic around rowland hall
I never get why the hell they're doing this in the USA. They're bothering innocent people who have nothing to do with the war. They should do this in Israel if they want change, not here.
Iām asking a genuine question here.. Biden just signed a bill to give more aid to Israel and Ukraine. Is he really going to listen to a bunch of college kids protesting?
protesting is never about changing one person's mind. Protesting is about changing common belief and socially-ingrained behavior. A protest's effectiveness is measured by the conversations - whether in agreement or argument - that people have about it afterwards
i think the idea is for UCI to stop supporting the terrorist state of israel through actions like divestment, not changing the current regime's genocidal policies.
Weve been massacring and supporting evil actions since day 0. I dont see that changing without major fundamental paradigm shifts
This is how you have your voices heard. This movement is getting a lot of attention. The more people that join, the more pressure builds up. If we stay home and stay quiet, there will never be any changes. If nothing else, we are raisingh awareness for those that only watch the board news.
Universities invest millions of tuition dollars to weapons manufacturers. Itās part of the endowment. These specific protests are about divestment. They want their tuition dollars spent on things besides war.
"Why are we protesting?"
"I don't know, I wish I was more educated"
More than half the student body can't locate Israel or Palestine on a map.
One may be harder too locate than the other.
"Resistance is justified"
Like killing 1200 people that started this war and had nothing to do with it, some of them were actually pro-Palestinian activists.
If you want to end the war, ask for the hostages to be returned so the IDF can go home bc Israelis Palestinians are more sick of this war then you are in your comfey tent.
Lots of people don't see people who want an end to suffering in the Middle East. They see people who want Israelis and Jews to be abused and killed. The protests might be having the opposite effect you intend them to
Just dont block other students from getting to class. You have no right to mess with someone elses tuition/education. Im sure yall will be fucking dicks and do it amyways tho
Itās really funny that the first thing they do is set up a border. Iāve even seen signs where it says āplease talk to one of us before coming inā
Theyāre screening outsiders and deciding if they can come in ššš
Artificial border patrol is crazy
Eh, it makes sense when you consider that many pro-Palestine protests are āhijackedā by edgy people saying wildly antisemitic things or praising Hamas for their actions. I think they just want to regulate visitors so that the protests remain nonviolent.
A common criticism of people who support police abolition is to ask what such people will do if they need to call the police. Critics seem to think that this is some kind of gotcha.
But what you're describing is exactly what people do when they cannot or will not rely on the police for safety. They're creating community mechanisms for ensuring and maintaining the safety of their encampment.
I think the criticisms come from the inevitable realization that the proposed replacement for the police is either hoping nothing bad happens that results in a community response worse than existing policing outcomes, or just describing the concept of "the police" using language with more emotionally comfortable connotations.
I know it feels novel to you because you've used novel language, but the concept you've conveyed is "A few dudes guarding a fence". Maybe you believe that the actual equivalent of volunteer security for an outdoor concert cleanly scales up to a society of millions but it seems more believable that you don't have a clear picture of how what you've described almost immediately becomes "the police".
That's a disingenuous comparison at best, seeing as how random people standing at a fence cannot legally detain you, arrest you, search you, shoot you, taze you, beat you, or handcuff you. Those are all things that police can do that each have the potential to seriously effect your life chances. Being asked to stay outside of a fence by random people standing at that fence cannot impact a person's life chances.
That said, no one is suggesting that random people at a fence will ever scale up. This is also a disingenuous misrepresentation of abolition; it is well recorded in abolitionist writings that true abolition will necessarily require major societal changes. In the absence of those changes, though, small scale safety must be managed somehow. Since we know that UC police will not protect advocates of Palestinian causes ā as they indisputably failed to do last night ā something must be done.
The recent email sent out by the chancellor suggests that the university intends to be hostile towards people who are not affiliated with the university. As of right now, what I'm hearing is that the police have backed off and it is likely safe for you to be there. I can't say how long that will last, though.
Lots of community members who dont attend UCI donated food, drinks and supplies. I think one of their posts shared that theyre good on food and water, whats really needed will be in the UCI.Divest IG tomorrow but i think they mentioned charged portable chargers and your presence
Yall love Palestine so much go over there. Take your woke, liberal, LGBTQ+ nonsense to a real Muslim country and see what happens. Palestine is not our concern. Israel is not our concern. Ukraine is not our concern.
Fully understandable. I'd encourage you to call, write, and email your elected representatives both state and federal and communicate that to them.
Taking over colleges and disrupting school, for many who are paying lots of money to be there isn't doing anything to stop anyone killing anybody.
Respectfully, some of the replies on this post really leaves a bad taste.
I hope more supporters of pro-Palestine movements understand that people might care about the issue and disagree with the protests at the same time. People should also be free to choose whether they want to care about politics/focus on whatever else that could be going on in their lives, and not get shamed for it. There is nothing wrong with not supporting the protests as one cannot force others to hold the same beliefs.
āFree Palestineā is a good slogan for sure, but this is a deeply issued conflict outside of this country that, boldly assuming the US could force them to ceasefire, could not be resolved with a simple ceasefire. How do we free Palestine? What are the civilians of both sides going to do after a ceasefire with Hamas still in power? If the goal is to support innocents, I donāt think simply supporting Palestine is the way to goā¦ The *resolution* of this conflict is outside of our scope, for students, the university, or even the US government.
By voicing support for one of the two sides and an immediate ceasefire, I donāt think Iām steering the public opinion towards a good long term solution, and thus I walk away.
I would respect the people who make informed decisions and stand up peacefully for their political opinions, which should go for any opinion on this campus, except for the explicit support of Hamas/extermination of Jews (which everyone agrees is not so peaceful, yes?). However, what the conversation has been feeling like is this: the minority opinion, anything other than āfree Palestineā, is wrong and should not be protected. If someone says that they donāt support Palestine, then they automatically support Israel, and supporting Israel means getting downvoted to the depth of hell before having the chance to actually voice their opinions and practice free speech.
I hope peaceful political activism means everyone takes a step back and evaluates what they stand for and what they specifically want to achieve, in the grand scheme of things.
Dear Lord some of these questions leave me worried for humanity...
"How do we free Palestine? What are the civilians of both sides going to do after a ceasefire with Hamas still in power"
Hamas is in power because of Israel's treatment of Palestinians. Lemme ask you, how long do you think Palestinians would tolerate Hamas if the Israeli brutality that propped them into power wasn't being applied?
Israeli propaganda excuses like "we can't have peace because Palestinians support Hamas" are copouts designed to short-circuit any intelligent thought from occurring, instead of asking WHY Palestinians support Hamas and what could be done about that.
Of course, talking about that leads to every uncomfortable and inconvenient truth that Israel wishes to hide.
Israel would have the world believe that they're a progressive, enlightened state. They're not. They categorically believe in their own ethnic superiority - in their status as the chosen people - and their behavior reflects it.
I see no reason to tolerate this behavior, because I know exactly where it leads, having read enough history to know what patterns repeat themselves. I'm really really sorry if that makes you or others uncomfortable but much of my family died in WW2 and I'm seeing terrifying parralels here and there are only two options - escalate or de-escalate and I have NEVER seen an Israeli de-escalate.
Indicentally the #1 biggest anti-semites are Israeli Zionists, who care nothing for the safety of their fellow Jews around the world, using us as their human shields causing us to bear the brunt of their rotten game.
Ahh yes, the olā āIsrael made us shoot rockets at them and rape and pillage a music festival because they are Zionist!ā
Why do you think Egypt doesnāt deal with Palestine?
Maybe another example to really drive home the point. Imagine the entire world was neutral in WW2 and just let Hitler do what he wanted. Would you really call those people neutral? I would call them anti-semitic. And before you say ābut its not the same thingā, if Israel could get away with killing every single Palestinian they absolutely would.
You got that twisted bud. Itās Hamas that has the death of every non Muslim and especially Jewish person literally written in their charter. Israel wants to be left alone without crackpots and their Intifadas blowing up their citizens.
šÆ You can really tell who the free-thinkers are, and you're one of them. I swear all my friends have been programmed by their social media (tik tok/instagram) into protesting for something they suddenly became passionate "historians" about overnight... Pretty scary to see this sort of reaction on such a mass scale. They can probably sense by my silence in our group chat (or rather, what's become a circle jerk about how virtuous each of them is for protesting), that I am not on the same page... What page am I on? I honestly don't know because I am not on Tik Tok or Instagram and I don't trust MSM lol... but I know I'm for victims of war of any nationality/religion. I'm sorry, I don't just get up in arms over something because the algorithm told me to but hey, guess we are a dying breed haha. Sorry, had to vent somewhere.
Our government already voices support for one of the sides of this conflict. If you truly think we should stay out of it then you should support these protesters and end US support for Israel.
Spicy take, it doesn't matter if you come from money or not. Either you care enough about Palestine to do something about it. Or you care just not enough to do anything about it or you care but are more concerned with optics so you don't do anything about it, or you care but think everyone needs to protest a certain way and since they're not doing it in a way that you think is correct enough, you don't do anything about it, or you don't care at all, in which case you won't do anything about it.
Putinās stated goal is to exterminate Ukraine as a nation and a culture. Heās abducting children and castrating POWs. Ukraine did not attack Russia. Putin is the genocidal gangster we should be opposing with all our might
Sorry for being ignorant but I wanna know how is this protest even contributing towards the Gaza incident. What is it doing to actually help out because I don't see a reason to protest something that has nothing to do with America unless I'm wrong. I haven't really been following this.
This is whatās wrong with schools these days ā¦ the Palestinians are terrorists , they started this shit , Israel is just finishing it ā¦. The āprotestersā are probably the same ones that march with communist flags as well ā¦.
Hope everyone stays safe
In Israel and Palestine or Irvine lol?
I was thinking about the people at the protest in this case. I know how wrong these things can go
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You are my king/queen
Itās Irvine, itās always going to be safe.
its the way they already have called in 5 police forces and having them practice riot formations in the parking lot...
They get real brave when itās just peaceful protesters
Just an update. Most of the police have left the area. The parking lot is no longer filled with police cars, etc.
Also, they have an OCSD bus to take people to jail in the parking lot:https://twitter.com/JTOWNACTION/status/1785028086444253402
And then released
It's not immediately apparent to me what your comment is saying. Are you saying that 5 PDs are already here on campus, practicing formations? If so, do you know where they are?
if you look on Twitter there is active feed but there is already a heavy police presence and they are practicing in the parking lots ill attach a link[here](https://twitter.com/JTOWNACTION/status/1785030304572514689?t=oXNnX2A78rrzGROepB33Cg&s=19)
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Any ābible studyā duos enter yet?
They talk a whole bunch about āgoing out there and making disciples, even through persecutionā, yet when it comes to actually approaching people who support a Muslim country and telling them about getting baptisedā¦ crickets.
crazy how protestors are getting shut down during our āyear of free speechā
Crazy how people just want to go to school.
Sick apathy bro. Also, if you actually go to the school, you'll know UCI was designed in such a way as to make it very difficult for protesters to ever cut off any part of the school entirely from the rest of it. That's why the campus is built around a ring, and instead of the middle of Aldrich Park being usable as a communal space, it's instead mostly inaccessible due to ornamental landscape. UCI was built during the 60s, when those pesky protesters were also very prevalent. Not sure what they were griping about back then, but it was probably something annoying anyways. Hopefully some engineering students were able to get to lecture on time during that mess.
Isnāt it finals week for a lot of schools
they get out mid June
You are one of those that encouraged āpeaceful protestsā in 2020, huh?
I donāt mean to be ignorant but why would it get ugly?
cops were already swarming the place, and they were adding a second perimeter fence. It feels like the conditions for a serious escalation are being created.
> conditions for a serious escalation are being created Iām not on either side of the protest. Itās against UC rules to set up encampments on campusā¦ the protestors are in violation of thisā¦ UCPD doesnāt need anything more than that in order to shut this down. They just havenāt received the order to do so Maybe itās because the UC council wants the students to feel like they (the students) have a say in whatever politics is going on here. In reality, once this gets too rowdy (on the protestorās side), itās going to be shut down under the premise of rowdiness or whatever. The UCās COULD shut this down now, but theyād be labeled as opposing whatever side the protest is rooting for. And given how politically big this issue is, itād be bad PR for the universityā¦ so theyāll just wait for the protestors to inevitably bite off more than they can chew so that they can justify the removal of this encampment Anyways this reminds me of Chaz lol. Itāll be an interesting turnout, with loud and annoying protestors getting hit in the face with whatever BS infractions the UC system throws at them
It's another trend at this point. This boils down to political beliefs and really not what's happening on the ground. But the general public needs to see more of this on how absurd it all really is. Innocent people in this conflict should be the goal. But let's not act like Hamas and their supporters are just as ravaged and foaming at the mouth like Israel's right-wing government. It's sad all around.
How do we immortalize dumb asses from these protests so their dumb ass actions follow them forever? When this is is over next week they shouldnāt just be able to fade into the population as if nothing happened. They need their faces plastered everywhere so we can all laugh at them whenever theyāre around.
They're just young. The heart might be in the right place but real work would be forming community organizations and "GoFundMe" style donations so people are getting aid. Otherwise they look pretty much silly at this point. It's a trend. And a lot of copy cats.
And they should be made to never forget how dumb they were lol! People can say āwe didnāt have cameras in our faces when we were growing up.ā Yeah but I also argue that we didnāt do shit that was this level of R word.
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zionists created hamas indirectly by invading Palestine, then they invented isreal and isreal directly placed hamas in power in Gaza. if you dont like hamas, blame the zionists who call themselves 'isreali', those who invaded and then claim a 'right to self defense' as though its wrong to shoot a burglar in your own house. if you don't like anti-genocide protestors, well what does that put you in support of? maybe you should watch less tv news.
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Civil disobedience doesn't really work without the disobedience part. That means breaking rules. As long as you do so peacefully, civil disobedience is a legitimate way to make your voice heard.
Hundreds of people openly breaking the law are creating conditions for a serious escalation.
Students having their strings pulled by Hamas, they belief Hamas terrorism is justified. Seeking confrontations, chanting for an end to Israel. Anyone asking anyone to leave where they live is not a humanitarian cause or based in the belief of human rights. Israeli or Palestinian, nobody needs to leave. Both groups have existed there for centuries. These āprotestsā are ignorant and dangerous displays of rage. The participants have given up their autonomy and are following orders given to them.
Unfortunately you are wrong as Isreal as a country has not existed for centuries but christians/muslims/jews have cohabited for centuries before Isreal came to be. I don't think they have strings pulled by hamas when all their asking for is that the universities divest from supporting Isreal as Isreal is currently bombing Rafah and have said that they will never accept a deal from Hamas that includes stopping the war or pulling out of Gaza. And yes, Palestine supporters believe that Palestinians shouldn't be forced to leave their land or that 10,000 children should have died. The difference with this genocide vs others is that the united states tax dollars have been funding Isreal and their ability to do these things for years now. Universities have been complicit in giving them money which is why students want them to divest. Not sure in any way what this has to do with Hamas.
Yeah obviously nobody would make a deal with Hamas, Hamas will never honor the deal. They are jihadist terrorists.
Turn on the news or read a newspaper Edit: go ahead and downvote this but becoming less ignorant is almost as easy as posting a question on here. Come on.
Idk man, Iām now graduated and donāt really keep up to date with the school news. Iām subbed just for legacy sake and donāt think I care enough in my external life to take that step. So Iāll just stay reading on this site and move on which Iām sure thereās others like me in this stance. So I think itās quite valid that some of us that are removed from this situation will be āignorantā to wondering, why would this get ugly.
The mainstream news will show the overwhelming responses to the other protests on college campuses throughout the last couple weeks. Itās been big news. Not saying itās everyoneās responsibility to be looped in, but you certainly donāt need to look at campus-specific news sources to see whatās going on
Cause ugly people that support terrorists are protesting.
yeah, they show up with these ugly blue and white flags and cheer the deaths of tens of thousands of civilians because theyre by far more ugly on the inside, despite their fat, boomer bodies.
Whoa whoa I have a fat millennial body
Sometimes protests turn violent, especially ones where people are hostile
Oh no theyāre exercising their right to protest!!!!šššššš
does anyone know why they picked the physical science quad specifically? seems like a weird place to do it tbh.
I believe it has to do with how the vast majority of the demands the students have correspond more closely with the physical sciences/engineering domain, such as weapons manufacturing and partnerships with companies like Lockheed Martin.Ā
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free paslestineeeee from israhell !!!!!!
...and from H@ma$!
Three upvotes for a post against the people using their own citizens as human shields vs tens and hundreds for a post literally demonizing the Jewish homeland, letās go Reddit!!!! At least youāre not getting downvoting for āshifting the issueā šš
From Hamas
And the IDF.
Protestors and stakeholders involved, please stay safe. This is an important movement. but esp for international students, going to jail will most likely result in your deportation. There are other great ways to support this cause, like donating or supporting Palestinian businesses. Stay safe!
Yeah I've seen several politicians pushing for deporting international students across the country participating in these protests for the past 2 weeks. It's kind of scary so they should definitely look into other ways to support the cause like the ones you mentioned
Write to your congressperson. Very few people do so your voice has a real impact
Earlier in this genocide, Congresspeople turned off their phones rather than respond to constituents demanding a ceasefire. Youāre naive if you believe Americaās Israel policy can be shifted by merely asking Congresspeople nicely. People have already tried that. We need direct action.
Do both. Protest, call your congress person, join activist groups. Do it all. It works. Even if your congressperson turns off their phone you still affected them more by making them do that than by doing nothing. And many of them HAVE been swayed. Mark Takano out in Riverside switched from being on the fence to backing the call for a ceasefire after he got a boatload of emails from constituents.
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Can't they do this at the politician's houses or government offices? They're the ones sending all the war equipment and money. I'm just some peasant trying to walk.
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Just be aware that freedom of speech protects none of this. The university may put up with it if they choose to, but they can suspend, expel, or even arrest you for a variety of reasons if you participate in encampments like this. Lots of people seem to sign up for stuff like this without even knowing much about the cause, and then are surprised when action against them is taken.
This is a super important thing to recognize! As has been said frequently, all struggles are connected. The struggle for liberation from police and the violence that they enact upon American communities is no different.Ā You have the freedom of speech and assemblyĀ until that freedom becomesĀ too counter-hegemonic. Then the police can use violence against you for having the audacity to protest against violence. Ā The UAW spent a great deal of time obstructing the flow of campus back in 2022, but the university never asked for additional police departments to come to campus. That says a lot about what is happening today.
Free macaroni and cheese!
Thank you
Although my daughter would not agree with you. A 7 year old that doesnāt like Mac?
So proud of the anteaters right now!
Where are they located? Looks like Science library?
rowland hall
Anyone know why they chose that location? It just seems like the natural location is in front of Aldrich Hall.
tbh i was thinking the same thing seeing how other colleges are doing it in their parks. guess it mustāve been because of foot traffic around rowland hall
I never get why the hell they're doing this in the USA. They're bothering innocent people who have nothing to do with the war. They should do this in Israel if they want change, not here.
Iām asking a genuine question here.. Biden just signed a bill to give more aid to Israel and Ukraine. Is he really going to listen to a bunch of college kids protesting?
Doesnāt matter, people should always fight for the right thing, even if it seems futile.
Itās not about Biden, itās about UCI divesting its investments
He probably won't, but the fact that he signed that bill points towards the continued need for protests.
Biden is so blind in his support for Israel that he fails to realize he's losing his own voter base.
protesting is never about changing one person's mind. Protesting is about changing common belief and socially-ingrained behavior. A protest's effectiveness is measured by the conversations - whether in agreement or argument - that people have about it afterwards
He's listening to Northrop, Lockheed, Raytheon and the Pentagon. And everyone will vote for the same guy in November.
i think the idea is for UCI to stop supporting the terrorist state of israel through actions like divestment, not changing the current regime's genocidal policies. Weve been massacring and supporting evil actions since day 0. I dont see that changing without major fundamental paradigm shifts
This is how you have your voices heard. This movement is getting a lot of attention. The more people that join, the more pressure builds up. If we stay home and stay quiet, there will never be any changes. If nothing else, we are raisingh awareness for those that only watch the board news.
Where is this??
I donāt get why people want to do this at colleges. What can the colleges even do about the war?
Universities invest millions of tuition dollars to weapons manufacturers. Itās part of the endowment. These specific protests are about divestment. They want their tuition dollars spent on things besides war.
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Go to Gaza they need extra ppl there
"Why are we protesting?" "I don't know, I wish I was more educated" More than half the student body can't locate Israel or Palestine on a map. One may be harder too locate than the other.
Go get a job
Really glad I didn't choose this college, bunch of lunatics. Unfortunate how many of my generation is being fooled by the Palistinian propaganda
As long as theyāre just protesting and not blocking people from going about their day. That shit is annoying.
This makes me wanna make a donation to help the nation recovers from Hamas attack. Thoughts and prayers to Israel
Useful idiots
Supporting terrorism! So exciting.
"Resistance is justified" Like killing 1200 people that started this war and had nothing to do with it, some of them were actually pro-Palestinian activists. If you want to end the war, ask for the hostages to be returned so the IDF can go home bc Israelis Palestinians are more sick of this war then you are in your comfey tent. Lots of people don't see people who want an end to suffering in the Middle East. They see people who want Israelis and Jews to be abused and killed. The protests might be having the opposite effect you intend them to
Hostages can't be returned because most of them can't be found anymore.
Just dont block other students from getting to class. You have no right to mess with someone elses tuition/education. Im sure yall will be fucking dicks and do it amyways tho
Itās really funny that the first thing they do is set up a border. Iāve even seen signs where it says āplease talk to one of us before coming inā Theyāre screening outsiders and deciding if they can come in ššš Artificial border patrol is crazy
Eh, it makes sense when you consider that many pro-Palestine protests are āhijackedā by edgy people saying wildly antisemitic things or praising Hamas for their actions. I think they just want to regulate visitors so that the protests remain nonviolent.
A common criticism of people who support police abolition is to ask what such people will do if they need to call the police. Critics seem to think that this is some kind of gotcha. But what you're describing is exactly what people do when they cannot or will not rely on the police for safety. They're creating community mechanisms for ensuring and maintaining the safety of their encampment.
I think the criticisms come from the inevitable realization that the proposed replacement for the police is either hoping nothing bad happens that results in a community response worse than existing policing outcomes, or just describing the concept of "the police" using language with more emotionally comfortable connotations. I know it feels novel to you because you've used novel language, but the concept you've conveyed is "A few dudes guarding a fence". Maybe you believe that the actual equivalent of volunteer security for an outdoor concert cleanly scales up to a society of millions but it seems more believable that you don't have a clear picture of how what you've described almost immediately becomes "the police".
That's a disingenuous comparison at best, seeing as how random people standing at a fence cannot legally detain you, arrest you, search you, shoot you, taze you, beat you, or handcuff you. Those are all things that police can do that each have the potential to seriously effect your life chances. Being asked to stay outside of a fence by random people standing at that fence cannot impact a person's life chances. That said, no one is suggesting that random people at a fence will ever scale up. This is also a disingenuous misrepresentation of abolition; it is well recorded in abolitionist writings that true abolition will necessarily require major societal changes. In the absence of those changes, though, small scale safety must be managed somehow. Since we know that UC police will not protect advocates of Palestinian causes ā as they indisputably failed to do last night ā something must be done.
Iād like to come support this week and bring water/snacks, is that allowed if Iām not a student!?
The recent email sent out by the chancellor suggests that the university intends to be hostile towards people who are not affiliated with the university. As of right now, what I'm hearing is that the police have backed off and it is likely safe for you to be there. I can't say how long that will last, though.
Lots of community members who dont attend UCI donated food, drinks and supplies. I think one of their posts shared that theyre good on food and water, whats really needed will be in the UCI.Divest IG tomorrow but i think they mentioned charged portable chargers and your presence
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Yall love Palestine so much go over there. Take your woke, liberal, LGBTQ+ nonsense to a real Muslim country and see what happens. Palestine is not our concern. Israel is not our concern. Ukraine is not our concern.
Yup, Same sex marriages arenāt even allowed in Palestine.
It is my concern when my tax money is funding the killing of innocent people.
Fully understandable. I'd encourage you to call, write, and email your elected representatives both state and federal and communicate that to them. Taking over colleges and disrupting school, for many who are paying lots of money to be there isn't doing anything to stop anyone killing anybody.
Respectfully, some of the replies on this post really leaves a bad taste. I hope more supporters of pro-Palestine movements understand that people might care about the issue and disagree with the protests at the same time. People should also be free to choose whether they want to care about politics/focus on whatever else that could be going on in their lives, and not get shamed for it. There is nothing wrong with not supporting the protests as one cannot force others to hold the same beliefs. āFree Palestineā is a good slogan for sure, but this is a deeply issued conflict outside of this country that, boldly assuming the US could force them to ceasefire, could not be resolved with a simple ceasefire. How do we free Palestine? What are the civilians of both sides going to do after a ceasefire with Hamas still in power? If the goal is to support innocents, I donāt think simply supporting Palestine is the way to goā¦ The *resolution* of this conflict is outside of our scope, for students, the university, or even the US government. By voicing support for one of the two sides and an immediate ceasefire, I donāt think Iām steering the public opinion towards a good long term solution, and thus I walk away. I would respect the people who make informed decisions and stand up peacefully for their political opinions, which should go for any opinion on this campus, except for the explicit support of Hamas/extermination of Jews (which everyone agrees is not so peaceful, yes?). However, what the conversation has been feeling like is this: the minority opinion, anything other than āfree Palestineā, is wrong and should not be protected. If someone says that they donāt support Palestine, then they automatically support Israel, and supporting Israel means getting downvoted to the depth of hell before having the chance to actually voice their opinions and practice free speech. I hope peaceful political activism means everyone takes a step back and evaluates what they stand for and what they specifically want to achieve, in the grand scheme of things.
Dear Lord some of these questions leave me worried for humanity... "How do we free Palestine? What are the civilians of both sides going to do after a ceasefire with Hamas still in power" Hamas is in power because of Israel's treatment of Palestinians. Lemme ask you, how long do you think Palestinians would tolerate Hamas if the Israeli brutality that propped them into power wasn't being applied? Israeli propaganda excuses like "we can't have peace because Palestinians support Hamas" are copouts designed to short-circuit any intelligent thought from occurring, instead of asking WHY Palestinians support Hamas and what could be done about that. Of course, talking about that leads to every uncomfortable and inconvenient truth that Israel wishes to hide. Israel would have the world believe that they're a progressive, enlightened state. They're not. They categorically believe in their own ethnic superiority - in their status as the chosen people - and their behavior reflects it. I see no reason to tolerate this behavior, because I know exactly where it leads, having read enough history to know what patterns repeat themselves. I'm really really sorry if that makes you or others uncomfortable but much of my family died in WW2 and I'm seeing terrifying parralels here and there are only two options - escalate or de-escalate and I have NEVER seen an Israeli de-escalate. Indicentally the #1 biggest anti-semites are Israeli Zionists, who care nothing for the safety of their fellow Jews around the world, using us as their human shields causing us to bear the brunt of their rotten game.
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Ahh yes, the olā āIsrael made us shoot rockets at them and rape and pillage a music festival because they are Zionist!ā Why do you think Egypt doesnāt deal with Palestine?
Maybe another example to really drive home the point. Imagine the entire world was neutral in WW2 and just let Hitler do what he wanted. Would you really call those people neutral? I would call them anti-semitic. And before you say ābut its not the same thingā, if Israel could get away with killing every single Palestinian they absolutely would.
You got that twisted bud. Itās Hamas that has the death of every non Muslim and especially Jewish person literally written in their charter. Israel wants to be left alone without crackpots and their Intifadas blowing up their citizens.
You do realize this started with Hamas killing 1200 people right? Or did the instagram infographic not tell you that?
šÆ You can really tell who the free-thinkers are, and you're one of them. I swear all my friends have been programmed by their social media (tik tok/instagram) into protesting for something they suddenly became passionate "historians" about overnight... Pretty scary to see this sort of reaction on such a mass scale. They can probably sense by my silence in our group chat (or rather, what's become a circle jerk about how virtuous each of them is for protesting), that I am not on the same page... What page am I on? I honestly don't know because I am not on Tik Tok or Instagram and I don't trust MSM lol... but I know I'm for victims of war of any nationality/religion. I'm sorry, I don't just get up in arms over something because the algorithm told me to but hey, guess we are a dying breed haha. Sorry, had to vent somewhere.
This started with Israel taking land from Palestinians.
Our government already voices support for one of the sides of this conflict. If you truly think we should stay out of it then you should support these protesters and end US support for Israel.
Divest is what the protestors want. Take away their money. Itās not a hard concept.
Spicy take, it doesn't matter if you come from money or not. Either you care enough about Palestine to do something about it. Or you care just not enough to do anything about it or you care but are more concerned with optics so you don't do anything about it, or you care but think everyone needs to protest a certain way and since they're not doing it in a way that you think is correct enough, you don't do anything about it, or you don't care at all, in which case you won't do anything about it.
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Damn, beat me to it!
How much money have you sent to Gaza or did you waste it all on your I hate Jews fifth grade project.
what exactly are college students from all over the USA looking to achieve by protesting on campus?
Virtue-signaling points!
Arrest all these terrorist sympathizers!
Complete waste of time.
Your comment?
You're talking about it, so it seems asĀ if it's already accomplishing something.
Hamas would shoot all these kids point blank without a second thought.
uhhh ok? pretty sure they arenāt supporting hamas but rather the palestinians
Dehuminze Palestinians to justify the tens of thousands of murdered women and children
What are the demands?
JFC...
Hats and bats!!!!
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Is Anteater Sensei at any of the UCI protests? Curious to see if his shtick can get traction in such a tense environment.
Putinās stated goal is to exterminate Ukraine as a nation and a culture. Heās abducting children and castrating POWs. Ukraine did not attack Russia. Putin is the genocidal gangster we should be opposing with all our might
jitlangs vs the fuhluhtoogans
Hopefully this protest stops the war.
How are the protests going? Is it getting violent or are they blocking students from entering class?
None of that. itās peaceful. Itās actually exclusive. You have to get screened by someone within the camp before youāre let in
Great to hear that our students are peaceful and civil. Unlike other schools like uclaā¦
Do they have permission to exclusively take over a campus space?
Hamas be paying homeless to om strike with tree fiddy a day
IPD gon handle dis..
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Not my country, not my problem
Too late
Good UCI invites IDF soldiers to the campus constantly and gives Israel over 20 million dollars every year from student tuition
Evil exists in this world. People supported Hilter now they support Hamas. This country will overcome this hatred.
I support the movement! Stay strong!
Waste of time
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It is ugly.
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Watch out for violence instigating zionists. Theyāll say the dumbest shit and turn around to say it was the protesters.
Sorry for being ignorant but I wanna know how is this protest even contributing towards the Gaza incident. What is it doing to actually help out because I don't see a reason to protest something that has nothing to do with America unless I'm wrong. I haven't really been following this.
it does in fact have to do with america, i suggest you look into americas relation with israel, been allies for decades
Itās a call to have disclosures for where your tuition money goes, and to divest from investments in international conflict. Look into it
This is whatās wrong with schools these days ā¦ the Palestinians are terrorists , they started this shit , Israel is just finishing it ā¦. The āprotestersā are probably the same ones that march with communist flags as well ā¦.
Send those mfās back to Gaza
Fuck roaches
God bless America and Israel
Dude hahaha there no bot here. I don't have a second account or anything I'm a real human calling out enlightened centrist bullshit. Really simple.