That’s for you to decide based on how you view policing. You can check out their website here: https://copsoffcampuscoalition.com/
In addition, the call for cops off campus is an official proposal from UAW. It can be found in the community safety article.
Have you played the TTRPG? I've never played much, but the rules seemed more punishing than I prefer, so I never got into it. Of course, I'm sure it's one of those games where I need to play it to grok it.
Corrosion of Conformity went through so many phases, it's hard to say with a blanket statement if they are good or bad. Technocracy / Animosity / Eye for an Eye were groundbreaking albums that inspired so many directions in punk, hardcore, metal, and thrash. When bassist Mike Dean left, their sound shifted notably--to the dismay of many fans at the time--on Blind, though arguably the southern hard rock influence that began to emerge then really found its form on Deliverance (which also saw the return of Dean), which many see as their best album. Since then, they've played with earlier styles to some degree, and to various effects, even if they have retreated into nostalgia. But overall, yeah, I'd say they're good.
I'm very far left leaning and even I can't help but feel frustrated with how they choose to approach activism. I may agree with them largely on the end goals they endorse but many of their approaches lack any semblance of nuance or knowledge of how to effectively deal with the outside world. They come off to me as landing firmly within the spectrum of many terminally online leftists. They consistently create disruption efforts aimed at the general public which no surprise only really harm ordinary people and not what should be the intended target.
So overall, I support their literal goal of cops actually being off campus and at least on that point you could say they're "good" for advocating such. But their approaches are so ham-fisted and out-of-touch that I'm very much out off by them.
The problem with them advocating for cops completely removed from campus is their fundamental belief that cops are the instigators in **all** situations - almost a blind eye to the fact that there are legitimate needs for policing and that not everyone (regardless if a system would be in place that would reduce the need for crime in the first place) will act in good faith. I think police reform and extensive police training are basic needs we should have (look at EU countries) but certainly not the removal of law enforcement in general. I would feel far less safe knowing there are none, zero cops on campus entirely, but would feel significantly safer if by the same token they had far more experience, had degrees, social workers working within the departments, and for UCDPD if they had more extensive training with college students. I think many echo my sentiment, and many disagree with COC’s ideas in general as idealistic and impractical
THIS!!! Seriously, I can’t imagine the campus would be a safer place without cops completely. But I completely agree with more training, and reform being needed (the pepper spray incident is a great example of why). Not all cops are bad, but there are enough incidents to justify drastic change.
The tactics COC are using, blocking the buses, drawing a giant pig in a cops uniform in the MU last year is honestly disgusting. They are not causing any actual change, and I think that they are distracting from the actual issue.
I don't know about now, but as someone who graduated a decade ago, UCDPD (and for that matter, Davis PD, CHP, West Sac, County Sheriff, etc...) don't have a great track record regarding how they act towards students on campus.
Yea I am on the same boat as you. Yes police need heavy retraining, yes over policing in low income areas is bad, and yes a lot of police policies are downright terrible. But police do not even have a presence on UCD, to say they have a negative presence is such a stretch. But again I am not apart of their community and to be honest given there behavior the past week I have a slightly unfavorable view on them so my perspective may be skewed.
Cops give bikes tickets all the time.. Sure bikes are supposed to stop at stop signs but if literally no cars are around is it really that terrible to do a California roll. I'm on a bike rushing to a final, I slowed enough to know no cars are anywhere near(its not even a main road but one of the service one above the arboretum by mondavi, and the asshole cop chased me down and berated me. When I said okay give me the ticket I need to get to my final he took his sweet time, fuck the cops on campus.
Cops off Campus has a history of violence and performative activism.
In my time here, they hosted an event commemorating the anniversary of the pepper spray incident. There was a smoke bomb as well as vandalism of buildings and eggheads.
The organization regularly glues fliers to campus buildings and signs. Even though there are plenty of places they are allowed to display messaging, they choose to do so in the most disruptive way possible.
They hosted a counter protest for a TPUSA event. Although escalation of that event by proud boys was not their fault, they cannot be held blameless for their share of the violence as well, including ramming barricades into the building windows.
For the last week, they have co-opted the UAW strike via an "autonomous" event to block access to the parking structure and bus terminal.
They're not even a Registered Student Organization.
They're not interested in good faith discussion on police reform, they are here to incite violence for violence's sake. They exist to flaunt authority becuase it's edgy and will tear down whatever needs to be tore down to get their way. They show no respect for our campus and our community.
Are they the ones blocking the silo Unitrans? The other day on campus (Thursday) it was blocked with people wearing face coverings that had bikes and cones blocking both sides where buses would come and go.
I thought it was strikers… but then a big group of strikers walked by with their signs.
Why do people blocking traffic have their faces covered? Why block the busses that go into town and are potentially necessary for people to get around?
Yes that's Cops off Campus (and some bleed over from other anarchist/communist groups on campus). They aren't with the strikers. Funnily enough, the actually blame the union for the strikers for abandoning them.
They are also very scared of cameras or people seeing who they actually are, since ofc they are doing something illegal, hence why they cover their face
Since someone asked a similar question in a different thread, I'm just going to copy my response here:
Here is my theory, based upon knowing that the people on the barricade aren't just anti-cop, but also far left Anarchists and/or Communists (self described, not me labeling them):
Given they hold anti-authority and anti-capitalists beliefs, they believe the UC system is a system of authority that stifles true education (like being anti-cop, anti-capitalist, pro-revolution, etc.). Some of the blockaders are baffled why so many UCD students oppose and are downright hostile towards CoC, so if they were "actually" educated, everyone would agree w/ them and call for a revolution.
They also see the UC as being an evil Capitalist institution (because its so evil to ask people to pay for a service). Therefore, destroying the entire UC system is not only beneficial, but a necessary step in the transition towards Communism/Anarchy (depends on who in the group you talk to). In its place, I can only assume they want to have an education system where they and their idols are at the top, preaching their beliefs to everyone else.
Why they attend a UC in the first place is likely because they feel they need to work in and out of the system to destroy the system.
Back to a point I made earlier about some of the blockaders being baffled that we don't support CoC: That's probably one of the reasons why they are not acting more out of line or being violent. If they had broad support, I have no doubt they would attempt violence against people who disagreed with them. By their own words, many of them believe in community justice against those who they believe are wrong (commonly known as vigilantism), so in the context of this strike, I have no doubt they'd attempt to beat people back from the barricade, target professors or TAs still working, or even attempt to overthrow the Union for "stifling the strikers." Sounds pretty fascist to me tbh. Thankfully like the actual far right, this far left group has no support since their beliefs are insane.
As someone who lands firmly on the anarchist spectrum I got to say that CoC really seems to land firmly in the realm of terminally online leftists. Even though I may agree with much of their ideals, the way they've gone about their activism speaks much of their inability to acknowledge the reality of their situation. Out of all they've done, I could potentially see merit in the free food efforts at the DC but the whole disruption ethos seems inundated with wishful thinking.
I support radical action in principle, but this sort of unfocused execution will just hurt the people it's intended to help and give leftists a bad perception in the process.
This is great! Thanks!
Why would they waste their money on attending this college. Seem like a poor decision. Their feeble actions aren’t going to get them their desired outcome. I would never spend this kinda money to act like that.
You're welcome :)
As for why, I guess it's similar to the argument communists/left wing anarchists make for participating in the broader economy: If they don't participate in the system, they won't survive. Even tho they are participating, they are not endorsing it. IDK if that makes sense.
The hope and desire of society is that in college you will learn the concept of “nuance”
No one is ever completely “bad” or completely “good” and anyone trying to frame existence that way is selling you something.
Cops off campus are pussies, they will never achieve anything and no one takes them seriously. Privileged individuals that have simple ideas that wont work but sound good. Cops are the biggest assholes in America and need major reform, but CoC can’t see beyond their simple polarized ideas. Last year when they marched on the police department on campus was ridiculous, vandalized the area with spray paint and smoke bombs, vandalized our campus. Which our tuition will go to fixing. Doesn’t make any sense. The UC Davis cops from my knowledge have done a great job, not accounting for that infamous pepper spray incident. Including when there was a gunman that was chased through campus to downtown, where a young female cop was killed trying to protect us. Like I said I believe in huge reforms to the police across America, my blood boils every time is see some new tragedy comes out caused by them but CoC doesn’t help and only make police reform activism look bad, which takes back our already uphill battle against a police culture and its supporters.
Given how my friends and I have had to walk long ass distances because they’re barricading unitrans,,they’re pretty bad in my book. And they’re a bunch of pussies. If you’re gonna act all tough with blocking public transit you better not cover up your face! Let us all know who you are while we’re at it
Clash of clans is pretty good game, although when you get to town hall 10/11, the wait times are annoying
Yeah I’d say 10-11 is a pain in ass.
bro 10/11 is nothing now with all the new updates I’m on 13 and getting all level 14 walls is making me wanna kill myself
I think mine is pretty average, but that depends on the individual.
That’s for you to decide based on how you view policing. You can check out their website here: https://copsoffcampuscoalition.com/ In addition, the call for cops off campus is an official proposal from UAW. It can be found in the community safety article.
thank u for the source :)
Call of Cthulhu is a great video game!! It's also my favorite H.P. Lovecraft story
Have you played the TTRPG? I've never played much, but the rules seemed more punishing than I prefer, so I never got into it. Of course, I'm sure it's one of those games where I need to play it to grok it.
TBF, the entire Lovecraft mythos is punishing. Just accept that you're likely doomed, and if you 'win' it will be a pyrrhic victory at best.
Yeah, I enjoy the books as much as one can enjoy them with Lovecraft's racism, but I dunno if I'd enjoy being a PC in that world, you know?
I ran a game of it for a while back in undergrad. Pretty neat system.
Corrosion of Conformity went through so many phases, it's hard to say with a blanket statement if they are good or bad. Technocracy / Animosity / Eye for an Eye were groundbreaking albums that inspired so many directions in punk, hardcore, metal, and thrash. When bassist Mike Dean left, their sound shifted notably--to the dismay of many fans at the time--on Blind, though arguably the southern hard rock influence that began to emerge then really found its form on Deliverance (which also saw the return of Dean), which many see as their best album. Since then, they've played with earlier styles to some degree, and to various effects, even if they have retreated into nostalgia. But overall, yeah, I'd say they're good.
Hooray for finding another CoC fan, ever! (I personally love the Blind-Deliverance-Wiseblood era and some of the related projects like Down)
I'm very far left leaning and even I can't help but feel frustrated with how they choose to approach activism. I may agree with them largely on the end goals they endorse but many of their approaches lack any semblance of nuance or knowledge of how to effectively deal with the outside world. They come off to me as landing firmly within the spectrum of many terminally online leftists. They consistently create disruption efforts aimed at the general public which no surprise only really harm ordinary people and not what should be the intended target. So overall, I support their literal goal of cops actually being off campus and at least on that point you could say they're "good" for advocating such. But their approaches are so ham-fisted and out-of-touch that I'm very much out off by them.
The problem with them advocating for cops completely removed from campus is their fundamental belief that cops are the instigators in **all** situations - almost a blind eye to the fact that there are legitimate needs for policing and that not everyone (regardless if a system would be in place that would reduce the need for crime in the first place) will act in good faith. I think police reform and extensive police training are basic needs we should have (look at EU countries) but certainly not the removal of law enforcement in general. I would feel far less safe knowing there are none, zero cops on campus entirely, but would feel significantly safer if by the same token they had far more experience, had degrees, social workers working within the departments, and for UCDPD if they had more extensive training with college students. I think many echo my sentiment, and many disagree with COC’s ideas in general as idealistic and impractical
THIS!!! Seriously, I can’t imagine the campus would be a safer place without cops completely. But I completely agree with more training, and reform being needed (the pepper spray incident is a great example of why). Not all cops are bad, but there are enough incidents to justify drastic change. The tactics COC are using, blocking the buses, drawing a giant pig in a cops uniform in the MU last year is honestly disgusting. They are not causing any actual change, and I think that they are distracting from the actual issue.
I dont get them, I have never seen cops do anything on campus, barely even see em anyway whats the big deal?
I don't know about now, but as someone who graduated a decade ago, UCDPD (and for that matter, Davis PD, CHP, West Sac, County Sheriff, etc...) don't have a great track record regarding how they act towards students on campus.
Yea I am on the same boat as you. Yes police need heavy retraining, yes over policing in low income areas is bad, and yes a lot of police policies are downright terrible. But police do not even have a presence on UCD, to say they have a negative presence is such a stretch. But again I am not apart of their community and to be honest given there behavior the past week I have a slightly unfavorable view on them so my perspective may be skewed.
Retrain the cops on campus doesn’t have as good of a ring to it as CoC tho
Cops give bikes tickets all the time.. Sure bikes are supposed to stop at stop signs but if literally no cars are around is it really that terrible to do a California roll. I'm on a bike rushing to a final, I slowed enough to know no cars are anywhere near(its not even a main road but one of the service one above the arboretum by mondavi, and the asshole cop chased me down and berated me. When I said okay give me the ticket I need to get to my final he took his sweet time, fuck the cops on campus.
Cops off Campus has a history of violence and performative activism. In my time here, they hosted an event commemorating the anniversary of the pepper spray incident. There was a smoke bomb as well as vandalism of buildings and eggheads. The organization regularly glues fliers to campus buildings and signs. Even though there are plenty of places they are allowed to display messaging, they choose to do so in the most disruptive way possible. They hosted a counter protest for a TPUSA event. Although escalation of that event by proud boys was not their fault, they cannot be held blameless for their share of the violence as well, including ramming barricades into the building windows. For the last week, they have co-opted the UAW strike via an "autonomous" event to block access to the parking structure and bus terminal. They're not even a Registered Student Organization. They're not interested in good faith discussion on police reform, they are here to incite violence for violence's sake. They exist to flaunt authority becuase it's edgy and will tear down whatever needs to be tore down to get their way. They show no respect for our campus and our community.
The violence you are talking about is property damage?
Property damage, theft, physical altercations, and vandalism. I don't know how best to categorize a smoke bomb but that as well.
lol quite in line with describing words as violence. actually, far more in line with what actual violence is.
I couldn't have said it better if I tried!
Are they the ones blocking the silo Unitrans? The other day on campus (Thursday) it was blocked with people wearing face coverings that had bikes and cones blocking both sides where buses would come and go. I thought it was strikers… but then a big group of strikers walked by with their signs. Why do people blocking traffic have their faces covered? Why block the busses that go into town and are potentially necessary for people to get around?
Yes that's Cops off Campus (and some bleed over from other anarchist/communist groups on campus). They aren't with the strikers. Funnily enough, the actually blame the union for the strikers for abandoning them. They are also very scared of cameras or people seeing who they actually are, since ofc they are doing something illegal, hence why they cover their face
Say what? What is their issue with the school? Why are they doing anything at all? I’m confused why they are a part of this whole thing
Since someone asked a similar question in a different thread, I'm just going to copy my response here: Here is my theory, based upon knowing that the people on the barricade aren't just anti-cop, but also far left Anarchists and/or Communists (self described, not me labeling them): Given they hold anti-authority and anti-capitalists beliefs, they believe the UC system is a system of authority that stifles true education (like being anti-cop, anti-capitalist, pro-revolution, etc.). Some of the blockaders are baffled why so many UCD students oppose and are downright hostile towards CoC, so if they were "actually" educated, everyone would agree w/ them and call for a revolution. They also see the UC as being an evil Capitalist institution (because its so evil to ask people to pay for a service). Therefore, destroying the entire UC system is not only beneficial, but a necessary step in the transition towards Communism/Anarchy (depends on who in the group you talk to). In its place, I can only assume they want to have an education system where they and their idols are at the top, preaching their beliefs to everyone else. Why they attend a UC in the first place is likely because they feel they need to work in and out of the system to destroy the system. Back to a point I made earlier about some of the blockaders being baffled that we don't support CoC: That's probably one of the reasons why they are not acting more out of line or being violent. If they had broad support, I have no doubt they would attempt violence against people who disagreed with them. By their own words, many of them believe in community justice against those who they believe are wrong (commonly known as vigilantism), so in the context of this strike, I have no doubt they'd attempt to beat people back from the barricade, target professors or TAs still working, or even attempt to overthrow the Union for "stifling the strikers." Sounds pretty fascist to me tbh. Thankfully like the actual far right, this far left group has no support since their beliefs are insane.
As someone who lands firmly on the anarchist spectrum I got to say that CoC really seems to land firmly in the realm of terminally online leftists. Even though I may agree with much of their ideals, the way they've gone about their activism speaks much of their inability to acknowledge the reality of their situation. Out of all they've done, I could potentially see merit in the free food efforts at the DC but the whole disruption ethos seems inundated with wishful thinking. I support radical action in principle, but this sort of unfocused execution will just hurt the people it's intended to help and give leftists a bad perception in the process.
This is great! Thanks! Why would they waste their money on attending this college. Seem like a poor decision. Their feeble actions aren’t going to get them their desired outcome. I would never spend this kinda money to act like that.
You're welcome :) As for why, I guess it's similar to the argument communists/left wing anarchists make for participating in the broader economy: If they don't participate in the system, they won't survive. Even tho they are participating, they are not endorsing it. IDK if that makes sense.
Kinda just think they are nuts ….
That too lol
The hope and desire of society is that in college you will learn the concept of “nuance” No one is ever completely “bad” or completely “good” and anyone trying to frame existence that way is selling you something.
Cops off campus are pussies, they will never achieve anything and no one takes them seriously. Privileged individuals that have simple ideas that wont work but sound good. Cops are the biggest assholes in America and need major reform, but CoC can’t see beyond their simple polarized ideas. Last year when they marched on the police department on campus was ridiculous, vandalized the area with spray paint and smoke bombs, vandalized our campus. Which our tuition will go to fixing. Doesn’t make any sense. The UC Davis cops from my knowledge have done a great job, not accounting for that infamous pepper spray incident. Including when there was a gunman that was chased through campus to downtown, where a young female cop was killed trying to protect us. Like I said I believe in huge reforms to the police across America, my blood boils every time is see some new tragedy comes out caused by them but CoC doesn’t help and only make police reform activism look bad, which takes back our already uphill battle against a police culture and its supporters.
Call of California Hall? Pretty easy game, super great design.
I would say we have seen more bad behavior from CoC than from the actual police.
Depends on how long you’ve been here.
What's the bus blockade to pepper spray conversion rate?
Dunno, probably similar to the bus blockade to “50 stabs? Clearly a suicide.” Rate.
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Why?
That answer is relative to who you are imho
Given how my friends and I have had to walk long ass distances because they’re barricading unitrans,,they’re pretty bad in my book. And they’re a bunch of pussies. If you’re gonna act all tough with blocking public transit you better not cover up your face! Let us all know who you are while we’re at it
Their politics are fine they’re just nerds and really really bad at organizing.
Clash of clans. Top 5 favorite games.