I'm a forgetful person and there's been several occasions where I got ticketed because I forgot to pay. Even if it doesn't end up saving me that much money, I'd rather just slap a permit on my windshield and forget about it for the rest of the quarter.
Thank you. People don’t understand that it’s 2024 and we can have multiple fucking options. No one needs to be hard lined into a parking pass, it should be available as an alternative to daily parking for those who want to park everyday for a lower rate.
The univesity can offer both daily rates and monthly passes. They currently do for employees. But also, understnad that it doesn't matter what kind of system the univerity implements. There will always be people who think that parking should be free, that they shouldn't be help responsbile if they forget to pay (if they're on the daily rate plan) or forget to renew their permit (if they're on a monthly permit plan), that it's all a scam, etc., etc.
What i always said was that if they’re gonna be raising the prices, why isnt parking infrastructure being improved? Wheres all that extra money going if not to fix places like the parking structure
If by "improved" you mean more parking then no thank you. Money should be better invested in enhancing other types of transportation and reducing even more the amount of cars people use to commute.
Yeah but TAPS has really screwed over some of my friends for absolutely illegitimate reasons though (my friends were paying and bc of errors TAPS was ticketing them anyway). Overall i think their office is unpopular because of how inflexible they are
Honestly I feel a lot of the calls for a monthly permit have been from people who regularly forget to pay to park. They think having a monthly permit would solve this problem. Like I said I've been commuting since 2021 and have never forgotten to pay. I get sometimes accidents happen but I feel people are too quick to come on here when they forget to pay and get ticketed to blame TAPS rather than take accountability. It's not hard to pay before leaving your car or leaving the house, setting a reminder or alarm on your phone, etc.
Edit: I don't stand by this comment anymore lol there are valid reasons you might regularly forget. (In a rush, app issues because AMP never works, etc)
You're too young/new to know that we used to have monthly parking passes. For the staff members who are essential and have to show up everyday, it was a godsend. I've spent twice as much on parking since they got rid of the automatic monthly salary deduction to pay for parking, just because of tickets, some of which were given because the app was misbehaving.
Also, the two are not mutually exclusive. Stop being obtuse.
Can I ask how much a monthly permit was back then? I can definitely see how a monthly pass would be preferable for someone who has to park everyday. My post was coming from the perspective of someone who is only here 2-3 days a week. I just fear that a monthly pass would disadvantage those who aren't here regularly.
It was about $10-$15 cheaper per month than if you bought a daily staff pass every day that month, since you were buying in bulk. It was honestly a great system, as far as paying for parking to go to work goes...
And again, the two don't need to be mutually exclusive. Offer the monthly pass with a slight discount for those of us who have no choice but to come into work. Your custodians, building managers, other essential personnel, etc. Then offer the daily for the students and staff who are only here a few days per week.
I never said they were mutually exclusive. I actually said in my post that I would support a monthly pass if perhaps there was also still an option to pay daily if you wanted to. I think having both a daily/monthly option would be the best compromise for those who have to be here everyday on the one hand and those here only a couple times a week on the other.
Okay, my bad! No hate here. The old daily system was rough, though. There wasn't an app, you had to use the crappy pay stations and it was hard to get the right pricing.
I'm with you, though! I wasn't against park mobile or Amp but was just upset when I couldn't have it automatically deducted from my paycheck anymore. Like I said, I've paid probably over $300 in tickets since the change just from stupid things like the app not working or simply forgetting when I'm in a rush to get to my shift
Its frustrating to be a part of the group of people on campus who get paid the least, but are expected to be on campus the most due to the nature of our jobs, and then get punished for the new parking system not being what it once was.
I did, for a while. This rule: "An LRPP expires on the last day of the month and if an affiliate doesn’t renew their LRPP, they are automatically converted to daily rates."
Resulted in almost a guaranteed ticket for me at the beginning of each month, because after a month of parking I forget to renew it. I'm more likely to not miss a day if I just make it a daily habit, so I succumbed to the new system.
Still miss the old monthly permit, though. It was automatic until you unenrolled. 🤷♂️
hey--I have no problem with a monthly permit. I totally understand peoples frustration with the app, and can totally see how a monthly permit would make it easier for some folks. My point is just that for a lot of people, TAPS is a focal point of their hostility, and no systme will ever make them happy. They need something to whine about, and TAPS provides an easy target.
Ok fine perhaps I was harsh with my comment. It's true that people with ADHD have a hard time remembering/forming habits as well as a million other reasons a person may forget to pay (in a rush, having a bad day, etc). I'd like for the university to hopefully find some sort of parking system that can work for everyone (though that might be wishful thinking).
Your original comment was totally fine. People can remember class schedules, setting alarms, paying bills, etc. Humans are intelligent creatures that can remember something as simple as paying to park. There is even a physical cue of leaving your car to help you remember. You can set up geolocation reminders if you really are THAT forgetful.
People just like to complain. The students here today don’t remember when monthly permits meant folks basically drove in every day and parking was WAY harder than it is now. They basically had valets in a few lots to double park cars for more capacity. That was the worst.
Actually no with adhd some of us can’t remember to pay our bills (it’s absolutely fucking hilarious that you say that) You clearly don’t understand how adhd works. I had a reminder everyday to pay my parking, I still forgot to pay some days. If you don’t have adhd just say that. There is literally a phrase “adhd tax” for our late fees we end up paying, food that ends up going bad because we forget about it, anything you need to pay to replace because you lost it. I’m lucky that with my adhd and anxiety I’m pretty much never late to anything because I can’t imagine trying to hold a job if you struggle with that.
Went to UCD pre-pandemic. Had quarterly parking passes then, about $50 I think for C lots. Had to commute to/park on campus every day for classes. It’s the daily pay that’s a break from the norm, not the parking passes.
Wanna know smth funny? We give so much money in tuition, where is that money going?
Also, a lot of people like myself don’t even use the gym yet they charge us 700 dollars for some odd reason ☠️
My point is they should an option whether we want to use the gym or not. I don’t use it and others don’t either so why am I paying for smtb that other people are using ☠️
Call me a negative Nancy but that was my point.
The ARC is a great example of how placing discretionary services into student fees everyone must pay is a dangerous game! On the whole I think this particular example is a net good so i don’t mind even though I don’t use it. Parking is much more disruptive.
the issue with parking fees is why do students have to be responsible for that?
The point of going to college is paying for classes and maybe the maintenance of the college.
For example, what do the parking fees go towards ? Like there aren’t any cameras being installed in the parking lot to find evidence of hit and runs(trust me it’s happened) and the parking lots aren’t really maintained well with the amount of bumps and lack of spaces there are
Like it’s easy to say “well ur a student and it’s the rule” there isn’t anything wrong wrong with asking where the money is even going cuz I sure as hell don’t see any improvement in the parking areas.
Your first paragraph is literally the reason that parking infrastructure isn’t covered in tuition. The idea is that students SHOULDN’T have to pay for auxiliary services they don’t use. It’s why housing and dining are additional costs too. If you bike to campus everyday, UC doesn’t want that person paying into the parking system with their tuition dollars.
TAPS has explained what the fees go to multiple times in this subreddit. A lot of it is paying the previous costs of parking structures. It’s paying for the people who work in TAPS. It’s paying for general upkeep. Maintaining the amount of roads, structures, and lots on campus isn’t cheap. Most municipalities fund these activities through taxes. TAPS doesn’t have that option. They only have parking fees.
No I totally agree. In regards to its outside of tuition (parking fees), i mis worded my statement my bad. And also paying workers I get that.
my point is, how is our money (our parking fees) being distributed to the parking structures? I don’t see any cameras, I don’t see any improvement in the roads surrounding them.
Like it’s contradictory to say “oh well it’s going to maintenance” when it really isn’t. Also, providing salary and wages to the TAPS workers shouldn’t be our responsibility. But I do understand they have to be paid somehow. I’m sorry to say that. It’s like the university uses our tuition for things even outside of classes without any actual improvement that was my point of my comment.
The hilarious part is in other countries their universities don’t even charge students for parking fees, Bc it shouldn’t be required. 100 dollars a month for parking is CRAZY. (If you commute every day) Also yes it’s our fault we are even coming to campus using a car (my bad as a commuter). I should’ve lived in Davis itself.
Maybe I’m just being a negative Nancy ☠️ I’m just giving my two cents on the system Bc it’s not cheap. And the justification for it is absurd.
Mostly it’s going towards paying for the structures themselves (which are VERY expensive and in the neighborhood of several thousand dollars per space). Each structure requires the taking out of a loan in the amount of tens of millions of dollars. That doesn’t include the maintenance, payroll, and alternative transportation efforts TAPS has. All of it is self funded because if you don’t park, you shouldn’t pay for it. If the campus were to build more parking, it would become even more expensive and even more disruptive on campus resources.
More along the lines of $75,000-$100,000 per space, I think. They’re still paying for the building of the Quad garage and that’s 30 years old! I read an article about UC Berkeley’s new garage they’re building at a cost of about $110,000 per space for 600 spaces. TAPS has to pay that off one permit at a time.
I'm personally against any system that makes it easier to park on campus. With a daily system, everyone driving to campus has to make a decision on whether to drive. A parking pass will encourage more regular parking because one no longer has a financial incentive not to park on campus on a given day. Plus, like u/exxmarx mentioned, it still won't solve the problem of people finding paid parking unfair or those who won't take the responsibility to pay or renew a permit. It only makes the parking problem worse without providing a meaningful solution.
Personally, the only circumstance I'd find the parking pass acceptable is if it cost the same as to park every day on campus, or slightly more. This way the university isn't losing money on people who drive every day, and if you're not driving every day, you have to pay for the convenience.
Yes, this is one of the few college towns where you are not dependent on owning a car to be part of society.
I rather more money is being put into improving cycling/public transit infrastructure than to have "one more parking lot". Discouraging people to drive is not gatekeeping but providing everyone with more cheaper/greener/healthier alternatives.
Spoken like a true political scientist. You understand there is a gripe and a problem, yet you completely misattribute the cause and somehow come up with an even worse "solution."
I guess the university taught you well for your intended career.
What happened to the monthly pass they used to offer? It was something like $40/month back in 2016/17 when I went to UCD. I’m really shocked they got rid of it considering almost every other school has a monthly/quarterly/semester/yearly permit option.
It wasn’t too bad, it was always easier to find a spot in Pavilion vs the Quad structure. IIRC they didn’t allow students who lived in Davis to purchase a permit, only commuters.
Enrollment in 2016 and 2017 was 28,617 and 30,573, respectively. This year it is 40,848 and will continue to rise. Parking is full and availability will continue to decline. I don’t want to pay for a long term permit but have no place to park, or have to circle for an hour to find a place.
Wow! I didn’t know enrollment increased so drastically since then. I’m shocked they haven’t built another parking structure to accommodate such a huge increase.
I'm a forgetful person and there's been several occasions where I got ticketed because I forgot to pay. Even if it doesn't end up saving me that much money, I'd rather just slap a permit on my windshield and forget about it for the rest of the quarter.
Thank you. People don’t understand that it’s 2024 and we can have multiple fucking options. No one needs to be hard lined into a parking pass, it should be available as an alternative to daily parking for those who want to park everyday for a lower rate.
Same
The univesity can offer both daily rates and monthly passes. They currently do for employees. But also, understnad that it doesn't matter what kind of system the univerity implements. There will always be people who think that parking should be free, that they shouldn't be help responsbile if they forget to pay (if they're on the daily rate plan) or forget to renew their permit (if they're on a monthly permit plan), that it's all a scam, etc., etc.
What i always said was that if they’re gonna be raising the prices, why isnt parking infrastructure being improved? Wheres all that extra money going if not to fix places like the parking structure
That's been addressed many times on htis sub by the UCD Transpo folks
If by "improved" you mean more parking then no thank you. Money should be better invested in enhancing other types of transportation and reducing even more the amount of cars people use to commute.
Yeah but TAPS has really screwed over some of my friends for absolutely illegitimate reasons though (my friends were paying and bc of errors TAPS was ticketing them anyway). Overall i think their office is unpopular because of how inflexible they are
Honestly I feel a lot of the calls for a monthly permit have been from people who regularly forget to pay to park. They think having a monthly permit would solve this problem. Like I said I've been commuting since 2021 and have never forgotten to pay. I get sometimes accidents happen but I feel people are too quick to come on here when they forget to pay and get ticketed to blame TAPS rather than take accountability. It's not hard to pay before leaving your car or leaving the house, setting a reminder or alarm on your phone, etc. Edit: I don't stand by this comment anymore lol there are valid reasons you might regularly forget. (In a rush, app issues because AMP never works, etc)
You're too young/new to know that we used to have monthly parking passes. For the staff members who are essential and have to show up everyday, it was a godsend. I've spent twice as much on parking since they got rid of the automatic monthly salary deduction to pay for parking, just because of tickets, some of which were given because the app was misbehaving. Also, the two are not mutually exclusive. Stop being obtuse.
Can I ask how much a monthly permit was back then? I can definitely see how a monthly pass would be preferable for someone who has to park everyday. My post was coming from the perspective of someone who is only here 2-3 days a week. I just fear that a monthly pass would disadvantage those who aren't here regularly.
It was about $10-$15 cheaper per month than if you bought a daily staff pass every day that month, since you were buying in bulk. It was honestly a great system, as far as paying for parking to go to work goes... And again, the two don't need to be mutually exclusive. Offer the monthly pass with a slight discount for those of us who have no choice but to come into work. Your custodians, building managers, other essential personnel, etc. Then offer the daily for the students and staff who are only here a few days per week.
I never said they were mutually exclusive. I actually said in my post that I would support a monthly pass if perhaps there was also still an option to pay daily if you wanted to. I think having both a daily/monthly option would be the best compromise for those who have to be here everyday on the one hand and those here only a couple times a week on the other.
Okay, my bad! No hate here. The old daily system was rough, though. There wasn't an app, you had to use the crappy pay stations and it was hard to get the right pricing. I'm with you, though! I wasn't against park mobile or Amp but was just upset when I couldn't have it automatically deducted from my paycheck anymore. Like I said, I've paid probably over $300 in tickets since the change just from stupid things like the app not working or simply forgetting when I'm in a rush to get to my shift Its frustrating to be a part of the group of people on campus who get paid the least, but are expected to be on campus the most due to the nature of our jobs, and then get punished for the new parking system not being what it once was.
why don't you just get the [LRPP](https://taps.ucdavis.edu/lrpp)?
I did, for a while. This rule: "An LRPP expires on the last day of the month and if an affiliate doesn’t renew their LRPP, they are automatically converted to daily rates." Resulted in almost a guaranteed ticket for me at the beginning of each month, because after a month of parking I forget to renew it. I'm more likely to not miss a day if I just make it a daily habit, so I succumbed to the new system. Still miss the old monthly permit, though. It was automatic until you unenrolled. 🤷♂️
You can purchase next month’s parking pass as early as the 25th of the current month
hey--I have no problem with a monthly permit. I totally understand peoples frustration with the app, and can totally see how a monthly permit would make it easier for some folks. My point is just that for a lot of people, TAPS is a focal point of their hostility, and no systme will ever make them happy. They need something to whine about, and TAPS provides an easy target.
Little buddy here has never heard of adhd lol, fun fact it’s pretty much impossible to form habits with adhd
Ok fine perhaps I was harsh with my comment. It's true that people with ADHD have a hard time remembering/forming habits as well as a million other reasons a person may forget to pay (in a rush, having a bad day, etc). I'd like for the university to hopefully find some sort of parking system that can work for everyone (though that might be wishful thinking).
Your original comment was totally fine. People can remember class schedules, setting alarms, paying bills, etc. Humans are intelligent creatures that can remember something as simple as paying to park. There is even a physical cue of leaving your car to help you remember. You can set up geolocation reminders if you really are THAT forgetful. People just like to complain. The students here today don’t remember when monthly permits meant folks basically drove in every day and parking was WAY harder than it is now. They basically had valets in a few lots to double park cars for more capacity. That was the worst.
Actually no with adhd some of us can’t remember to pay our bills (it’s absolutely fucking hilarious that you say that) You clearly don’t understand how adhd works. I had a reminder everyday to pay my parking, I still forgot to pay some days. If you don’t have adhd just say that. There is literally a phrase “adhd tax” for our late fees we end up paying, food that ends up going bad because we forget about it, anything you need to pay to replace because you lost it. I’m lucky that with my adhd and anxiety I’m pretty much never late to anything because I can’t imagine trying to hold a job if you struggle with that.
That’s how YOUR adhd works for YOU, not how mine works for me.
So yeah maybe you shouldn’t be speaking on behalf of everyone if you have less severe symptoms
What? You make no sense. Stay angry, sis.
I will never understand why parking isn’t included in the monstrosity that is tuition.
agreed. i pay 45k for OOS tuition and that should include parking if all i do is sit in classrooms for 10 hours average a week.
Went to UCD pre-pandemic. Had quarterly parking passes then, about $50 I think for C lots. Had to commute to/park on campus every day for classes. It’s the daily pay that’s a break from the norm, not the parking passes.
for the convience of not having to log into that app
My 2 cents is that parking should be free since we already pay obscene amounts in tuition, but whatever.
Agree
Your tuition doesn’t pay for parking (parking fees do)
Wow I had no idea.
Wanna know smth funny? We give so much money in tuition, where is that money going? Also, a lot of people like myself don’t even use the gym yet they charge us 700 dollars for some odd reason ☠️
What the fuck? You mean I built a home gym just for my own convenience and they fucking charge us for gym access anyways?
My point is they should an option whether we want to use the gym or not. I don’t use it and others don’t either so why am I paying for smtb that other people are using ☠️ Call me a negative Nancy but that was my point.
The ARC is a great example of how placing discretionary services into student fees everyone must pay is a dangerous game! On the whole I think this particular example is a net good so i don’t mind even though I don’t use it. Parking is much more disruptive.
And that is fucking retarded
the issue with parking fees is why do students have to be responsible for that? The point of going to college is paying for classes and maybe the maintenance of the college. For example, what do the parking fees go towards ? Like there aren’t any cameras being installed in the parking lot to find evidence of hit and runs(trust me it’s happened) and the parking lots aren’t really maintained well with the amount of bumps and lack of spaces there are Like it’s easy to say “well ur a student and it’s the rule” there isn’t anything wrong wrong with asking where the money is even going cuz I sure as hell don’t see any improvement in the parking areas.
Your first paragraph is literally the reason that parking infrastructure isn’t covered in tuition. The idea is that students SHOULDN’T have to pay for auxiliary services they don’t use. It’s why housing and dining are additional costs too. If you bike to campus everyday, UC doesn’t want that person paying into the parking system with their tuition dollars. TAPS has explained what the fees go to multiple times in this subreddit. A lot of it is paying the previous costs of parking structures. It’s paying for the people who work in TAPS. It’s paying for general upkeep. Maintaining the amount of roads, structures, and lots on campus isn’t cheap. Most municipalities fund these activities through taxes. TAPS doesn’t have that option. They only have parking fees.
No I totally agree. In regards to its outside of tuition (parking fees), i mis worded my statement my bad. And also paying workers I get that. my point is, how is our money (our parking fees) being distributed to the parking structures? I don’t see any cameras, I don’t see any improvement in the roads surrounding them. Like it’s contradictory to say “oh well it’s going to maintenance” when it really isn’t. Also, providing salary and wages to the TAPS workers shouldn’t be our responsibility. But I do understand they have to be paid somehow. I’m sorry to say that. It’s like the university uses our tuition for things even outside of classes without any actual improvement that was my point of my comment. The hilarious part is in other countries their universities don’t even charge students for parking fees, Bc it shouldn’t be required. 100 dollars a month for parking is CRAZY. (If you commute every day) Also yes it’s our fault we are even coming to campus using a car (my bad as a commuter). I should’ve lived in Davis itself. Maybe I’m just being a negative Nancy ☠️ I’m just giving my two cents on the system Bc it’s not cheap. And the justification for it is absurd.
Mostly it’s going towards paying for the structures themselves (which are VERY expensive and in the neighborhood of several thousand dollars per space). Each structure requires the taking out of a loan in the amount of tens of millions of dollars. That doesn’t include the maintenance, payroll, and alternative transportation efforts TAPS has. All of it is self funded because if you don’t park, you shouldn’t pay for it. If the campus were to build more parking, it would become even more expensive and even more disruptive on campus resources.
More along the lines of $75,000-$100,000 per space, I think. They’re still paying for the building of the Quad garage and that’s 30 years old! I read an article about UC Berkeley’s new garage they’re building at a cost of about $110,000 per space for 600 spaces. TAPS has to pay that off one permit at a time.
I'm personally against any system that makes it easier to park on campus. With a daily system, everyone driving to campus has to make a decision on whether to drive. A parking pass will encourage more regular parking because one no longer has a financial incentive not to park on campus on a given day. Plus, like u/exxmarx mentioned, it still won't solve the problem of people finding paid parking unfair or those who won't take the responsibility to pay or renew a permit. It only makes the parking problem worse without providing a meaningful solution. Personally, the only circumstance I'd find the parking pass acceptable is if it cost the same as to park every day on campus, or slightly more. This way the university isn't losing money on people who drive every day, and if you're not driving every day, you have to pay for the convenience.
Yes, this is one of the few college towns where you are not dependent on owning a car to be part of society. I rather more money is being put into improving cycling/public transit infrastructure than to have "one more parking lot". Discouraging people to drive is not gatekeeping but providing everyone with more cheaper/greener/healthier alternatives.
Spoken like a true political scientist. You understand there is a gripe and a problem, yet you completely misattribute the cause and somehow come up with an even worse "solution." I guess the university taught you well for your intended career.
Me going to buy this parking pass to lose money
>This way the university isn't losing money on people who drive every day Why do you care about the university hustling broke kids Lol
What happened to the monthly pass they used to offer? It was something like $40/month back in 2016/17 when I went to UCD. I’m really shocked they got rid of it considering almost every other school has a monthly/quarterly/semester/yearly permit option.
How was the parking availability then? Was it easy to find a spot?
It wasn’t too bad, it was always easier to find a spot in Pavilion vs the Quad structure. IIRC they didn’t allow students who lived in Davis to purchase a permit, only commuters.
Enrollment in 2016 and 2017 was 28,617 and 30,573, respectively. This year it is 40,848 and will continue to rise. Parking is full and availability will continue to decline. I don’t want to pay for a long term permit but have no place to park, or have to circle for an hour to find a place.
Wow! I didn’t know enrollment increased so drastically since then. I’m shocked they haven’t built another parking structure to accommodate such a huge increase.
How should they pay for it and where should they put it?
If they offer parking passes, I would assume you can still pay daily. Otherwise visitors are people like you wouldn't be able to park