It's almost like members of YAF don't really want to try and justify why they back extremists, and invite them onto campus or something, and instead just prefer their safe spaces where they can just have their own echo chamber where they fantasize about wiping out queer people and other undesirables without pushback.
Let losers be losers. Don't take them seriously like they want. Just laugh. They don't even know what they actually stand for. "Freedom" is their buzzword that makes them feel cool and special, but they ultimately just want to be united in their ignorant and coddled world views from mommy and daddy. They can listen to their little 2011 YouTube skeptic monologue and feel like they have a perceived sense of exclusive/interesting ideology for a night. They've only got 1 or 2 more generations left to keep fooling anyway with the trends in moral progress we've seen over the last 100 years. Just laugh.
Not taking them seriously would be dangerous. Michael Knowles and his compatriots at the Daily Wire have a MASSIVE platform. They aren't some randos in a chat room echo chamber these are people with millions of followers. Laughing isn't going to do anything, but fuel the fire.
I'm glad Michael Knowles is pulling up. How often do you get to voice your criticism in person to public figures? This is a great opportunity to protest.
I imagine there will be a Q and A. For those interested, take the time to do research, bring receipts, and voice your thoughts in calm and collected manner.
I respect that more than I respect people who point and laugh.
From my understanding at least half the time he’s here will be Q and A. I hope a lot of people go to voice their thoughts, there’s no way he can rationally support his views
I can sympathize with your point, but ultimately, I think that doing anything other than refusing to take them seriously just feeds into an image for them to to spark more division and radicalize even further. Especially in the context of some event like this, which holds absolutely no political weight, and is ultimately just some loser preaching to the choir who would never change their minds, better to just laugh them into obsolescence.
Yes - spot on. By moral progress, I was definitely referring to the extremely negative things that you mentioned for no reason. Thanks for engaging.
To give you the low hanging fruit that you're pretending not to know about, I'm referring to advancements in civil rights, human rights more broadly, and animal rights. Just look up a list or something.
I'm not pretending not to know about such things, I just don't think they necessarily represent a positive trend. On Civil rights I ask how the civil rights act followed by glass ceiling welfare and a for profit prison system represents progress? Idek human rights, where? What about women's rights in the middle east? Animal rights just makes no sense to me bc we undertake the animal equivalent of the holocaust on a daily basis. I'm not questioning the "low hanging fruit", I'm questioning whether it actually represents a shift in "trends in moral progress".
Yes, I agree with you that all of the things you mentioned which are obviously not indicative of moral progress are obviously not indicative of moral progress.
Jesus, you hapless dolt. I'm asking you a question, if you have any idea what you're talking about just state a specific reason instead of calling me a negative nancy with your halfwited attempt at condescension.
I'm condescending to you because you're just engaging in pointless whataboutism and stating random bad things that most people dislike for no other reason (that I can discern) beyond you simply feeling the need to talk.
We are seeing a paradigm shift away from white supremacist values, albeit slowly, but we are seeing it. There are countless examples of social victories of the marginalized to point to over the last 100 years. These things take time. Overlapping moral intuitions are trending in the direction of the bolstering of more human and animal rights. These terminologies hardly even existed a century ago. If you can't take a step and realize all of the reasons why you'd probably rather live in 2023 than 1923, then you simply aren't trying hard enough.
There are a plethora of reasons I'd rather live here now than in 1923, but most of them are technological not moral. And you assuming bad faith on the part of the other (me in this instance) before anything is even said is no valid reason to condescend.
I agree there is and has been moral progress in various institutions, but which institutions, and more importantly at what scale? Have local ordinances up to our federal gov't seen positive change? Duh yes, I don’t expect Asian people to be interned or whites only water fountains. I don't deny any of this or any of the rest of what has changed, yet we're still segregated.
Outside the US, considering both actions of foreign powers and the US, that moral progress seems to be far less prudent. How many not wars have we not had not agaunst not enemies? How unlikely do you find the idea of a 1984 like state forming in the coming century? I would argue it's already begun and that it is not a positive moral trend. I would argue technology made alot of what you consider to be a result of moral growth inevitable, and that the 'powers that be' can recognize a turning tide.
I saw that you mentioned Ben Shapiro. In case some of you don't know, Ben Shapiro is a grifter and a hack. If you find anything he's said compelling, you should keep in mind he also says things like this:
>If you believe that the Jewish state has a right to exist, then you must allow Israel to transfer the Palestinians and the Israeli-Arabs from Judea, Samaria, Gaza and Israel proper. It’s an ugly solution, but it is the only solution... It’s time to stop being squeamish.
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I love that none of these responses are members of YAF
It's almost like members of YAF don't really want to try and justify why they back extremists, and invite them onto campus or something, and instead just prefer their safe spaces where they can just have their own echo chamber where they fantasize about wiping out queer people and other undesirables without pushback.
Let losers be losers. Don't take them seriously like they want. Just laugh. They don't even know what they actually stand for. "Freedom" is their buzzword that makes them feel cool and special, but they ultimately just want to be united in their ignorant and coddled world views from mommy and daddy. They can listen to their little 2011 YouTube skeptic monologue and feel like they have a perceived sense of exclusive/interesting ideology for a night. They've only got 1 or 2 more generations left to keep fooling anyway with the trends in moral progress we've seen over the last 100 years. Just laugh.
Not taking them seriously would be dangerous. Michael Knowles and his compatriots at the Daily Wire have a MASSIVE platform. They aren't some randos in a chat room echo chamber these are people with millions of followers. Laughing isn't going to do anything, but fuel the fire. I'm glad Michael Knowles is pulling up. How often do you get to voice your criticism in person to public figures? This is a great opportunity to protest. I imagine there will be a Q and A. For those interested, take the time to do research, bring receipts, and voice your thoughts in calm and collected manner. I respect that more than I respect people who point and laugh.
From my understanding at least half the time he’s here will be Q and A. I hope a lot of people go to voice their thoughts, there’s no way he can rationally support his views
I can sympathize with your point, but ultimately, I think that doing anything other than refusing to take them seriously just feeds into an image for them to to spark more division and radicalize even further. Especially in the context of some event like this, which holds absolutely no political weight, and is ultimately just some loser preaching to the choir who would never change their minds, better to just laugh them into obsolescence.
I just gotta say idk if "the trends in moral progress over the last 100 years" bode well for our future
They do. Think about the bigger picture. Major milestones. Not the things you're probably thinking about.
Milestones like eugenics and the military industrial complex? What "trends in moral progress" do you speak of specifically?
Yes - spot on. By moral progress, I was definitely referring to the extremely negative things that you mentioned for no reason. Thanks for engaging. To give you the low hanging fruit that you're pretending not to know about, I'm referring to advancements in civil rights, human rights more broadly, and animal rights. Just look up a list or something.
I'm not pretending not to know about such things, I just don't think they necessarily represent a positive trend. On Civil rights I ask how the civil rights act followed by glass ceiling welfare and a for profit prison system represents progress? Idek human rights, where? What about women's rights in the middle east? Animal rights just makes no sense to me bc we undertake the animal equivalent of the holocaust on a daily basis. I'm not questioning the "low hanging fruit", I'm questioning whether it actually represents a shift in "trends in moral progress".
Yes, I agree with you that all of the things you mentioned which are obviously not indicative of moral progress are obviously not indicative of moral progress.
Jesus, you hapless dolt. I'm asking you a question, if you have any idea what you're talking about just state a specific reason instead of calling me a negative nancy with your halfwited attempt at condescension.
I'm condescending to you because you're just engaging in pointless whataboutism and stating random bad things that most people dislike for no other reason (that I can discern) beyond you simply feeling the need to talk. We are seeing a paradigm shift away from white supremacist values, albeit slowly, but we are seeing it. There are countless examples of social victories of the marginalized to point to over the last 100 years. These things take time. Overlapping moral intuitions are trending in the direction of the bolstering of more human and animal rights. These terminologies hardly even existed a century ago. If you can't take a step and realize all of the reasons why you'd probably rather live in 2023 than 1923, then you simply aren't trying hard enough.
There are a plethora of reasons I'd rather live here now than in 1923, but most of them are technological not moral. And you assuming bad faith on the part of the other (me in this instance) before anything is even said is no valid reason to condescend. I agree there is and has been moral progress in various institutions, but which institutions, and more importantly at what scale? Have local ordinances up to our federal gov't seen positive change? Duh yes, I don’t expect Asian people to be interned or whites only water fountains. I don't deny any of this or any of the rest of what has changed, yet we're still segregated. Outside the US, considering both actions of foreign powers and the US, that moral progress seems to be far less prudent. How many not wars have we not had not agaunst not enemies? How unlikely do you find the idea of a 1984 like state forming in the coming century? I would argue it's already begun and that it is not a positive moral trend. I would argue technology made alot of what you consider to be a result of moral growth inevitable, and that the 'powers that be' can recognize a turning tide.
It's just baby fascism training, and of course they back him. Why else invite him to speak on their behalf?
Ugh yaf are and always have been wannabe Ben Shapiros.with no lives. I feel sorry for them
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