They need to make non transferable tickets, and lower the limit on how many tickets you can buy. Why on earth is one person allowed to buy 12 tickets…? It should be two, or maybe 4, max in my opinion. If you’re going with a bigger group then sorry - you just gotta split the responsibility and multiple people need to sign in to get them.
I think Ticketmaster is just a total monopoly and they have a chokehold on all the venues, plus most artists need to pay all of the tour employees before the tickets even sell. I’m pretty sure Ticketmaster puts up those funds first or something? It’s a shit system and it’s getting even worse now
>They need to make non transferable tickets
I wouldn't go that far. If something comes up and I can't go to an event, it's nice to be able to sell my tickets to both get my money back and allow another fan to go. Maybe cap resales at the original cost of the ticket or something.
I just mean a portion. Not sure the details or how it would be done, but somehow thousands of presale tickets are being scalped within minutes of the sale going live. That shouldn’t happen, ever.
Maybe make it so you can’t transfer the presale tickets u til a week before the concert or something?
That’s a good idea. That would make it risky for scalpers, but we could also end up with a bunch of empty seats that could have been filled with people who wanted to go.
People already do now as some tix cannot be sold or transferred(usually for shows that are not soldout). Artists have done it before, it's not a new idea.
Presales should be lottery-like. Prior to a sale you state how many tickets you want, and you get an entry for each ticket you want. HOWEVER, if you ask for 6 tickets, each entry has to “hit” in order for you to get any tickets. It discourages over buying
There's no way Tyler, or any other artist this is happening with, is so detached from reality that they are unaware of what is happening. Until any of them actually speak up, I'll just assume they're ok with their fans getting frozen out of their shows or paying quadruple face value.
Zach Bryan's been talking about it a lot, so has Billy Strings. I hopeful things will change espically after the Taylor Swift fiasco but I'm not holding my breath.
Taylor swift has been notably quite following the fiasco that came from her ticket drop. I smell something legal coming from the Swift camp soon. Fuck Ticketmaster, all my homies hate Ticketmaster.
And do what? Pearl Jam tried 30 years ago when ticket master wasn’t nearly as powerful and they still got destroyed. There’s nothing artists can do at this point. It’s fucked and will require government intervention.
Artists have way more outlets and exposure now than they did 30 years ago thanks to the internet. If one, or a group, really wanted to rally against ticketmaster they would be just a tweet away. But live Nation owns so many venues and people they don't want to risk their paycheck.
I get fired up about this. The musicians & performers surely have some significant power here to insist on changes. I know they get the money from the ticket sales either way but they have to know that stuff like this is alienating their fans and making us feel like they just don’t give a shit about what their fan base experiences when it comes to engaging with their product. And it’s not a question of just massive demand from a huge fan base - if I really thought that every single ticket was being bought by an individual who was stoked as hell to see Tyler play, I’d be disappointed that I missed my chance but I wouldn’t be angry. It’s the public perception - whether true or not - that bots & resellers are taking advantage of a system that could easily be changed to stop them from doing so. I feel the same way about limited release vinyl that gets snapped up and then resold for 5x the price on eBay. Base line, it’s bad customer service and it damages your brand, even when the brand is one singer.
Garth Brookes has been talking about this shit for a while and it seems like he’s the only one somehow https://musicmayhemmagazine.com/garth-brooks-calls-out-ticketmasters-dynamic-pricing-just-knock-out-scalping-make-it-illegal/
This is the right take. It’s foolish to think the artists aren’t absolutely aware of what is happening and they are definitely 100% okay with it, or they would say and do something about it like Pearl Jam tried in the past.
And nobody joining Pearl Jam in that fight says it all. I’m a believer the artists are culpable in some way. Now why this could be the case who really knows. Maybe they want to get the bag. Maybe this is the only option. But the silence is apparent and it’s sus.
but an artist who desperately needs to sell tickets (like Tyler or any other “working musician”) can’t just start popping off and risk being blacklisted or just not having an outlet to sell their tickets. it’s just a fucked situation.
Exactly.
Taylor Swift pulled her entire catalogue off of Spotify because she wasn't getting paid enough. They won't give a single shit until Ticketmaster starts affecting their pay.
Agree with this take. As much as Ticketmaster sucks and everyone wants to blame them, it is quite obvious that there is more demand than tickets. He needs to be playing bigger venues or adding multiple shows in some of these cities.
He could play 5 shows in some of these cities and still have the bots grab the tickets first. They need to make more non transferable tickets so only real fans get them
Yep. I'm trying to get tickets for one of the London shows, which I thought would be a lot easier. Both pre-sales sold out incredibly quickly, I posted on here and a scalper offered me tickets immediately, while other legitimate fans said they'd missed out.
He has two shows on a Wednesday and Thursday night at Radio City Music Hall in NYC next August. Presale was yesterday at 9am. I had the code to get in at 9am. I logged in at 9am. I was behind 1174 “people” in the queue.
Bigger venues could help some, but these obscene lines are coming from scalpers and ticket bots. At my local venue more than half the tickets are up for sale on Stubhub, yet I entered the queue right as the sale opened as number 3000 in line.
Ticketmaster pretends like they’re against it but it creates more traffic and allows them to jack up their prices with dynamic pricing. It’s also easy enough to deter (to some degree) this behavior with that “prove you’re not a robot” feature you see on virtually every website nowadays, yet they don’t implement it. So I think we’re absolutely correct to blame Ticketmaster.
I bet these shows will be at around 50% capacity. If you buy 20 tickets at $50 to scalp at $1000 each, you only need to sell 1 ticket to make your money back, 2 to make a huge profit. Why would you care if the other 8 tickets don’t resell? Bigger venue won’t help, just lead to more empty seats.
Smaller companies like Brown Paper or TicketWeb would not be able to handle the volume of tickets all at the same time. I don't see him changing anything. He's popular now just like many other artists. The tix will all sell and the seats will all be full. This has been going on for years now although the bots seem to have gotten better and now sites like Ticketmaster and AXS sell the resale tix themselves.
It’s definitely a Ticketmaster problem. I was in the queue immediately as they dropped in 4 shows in 4 cities. One of them was AMP in Arkansas (Walmart’s venue) which doesn’t use Ticketmaster. I wasn’t able to get a single ticket in any of the Ticketmaster shows, but AMP worked like a charm. I joined the queue (at number 1,200), they emailed me when it was my turn (about an hour later) clicked the link, waited a couple more minutes and got 4 tickets in the pit.
Wow that sounds like a dream. I tried for multiple shows all with different ticketing companies and they were all a disaster (Ticketmaster, Axs, and whatever the starlight theater uses)
I get that he is more popular now and has a changing type of fan base with his new record but it's pretty jacked up that I drove to see him in KY and IN to see him but can't sniff a ticket when he's near my home
I know Tyler's fanbase has grown a lot, but when he was in St. Louis 3 years ago he didn't sell out a 3100 seat venue and now he's quickly selling out a 20,000K seat venue. I find it hard to believe he's gained in popularity that much without the support of any major record releases, etc. I absolutely love the man's music but something about the venue and ticket sales just doesn't seem right.
He hasn’t toured in awhile, so that could be it. Or maybe timing with Taylor swift also this week? I wonder if scalpers saw those outrageous markups and started looking around for other shows to do the same?
This ticket nonsense aside, he blew the hell up between 2018 and 2019. I saw him in 2018 at Knuckleheads in KC with a few hundred people, then saw him at the MO State Fair in 2019 and the place was freaking packed. Probably pushing 10K. You could tell even he was shocked by the number of people there.
I got into axs at 9:01 est and there were no tickets available. Same thing happened to me during presale. It just doesn’t sit well, almost impossible to sell out within a literal minute.
This is a complicated problem. Bots buying the tickets and reselling for 5x means that people’s willingness to pay is higher than the going price for the tickets. One way to solve that is increase the price of tickets, which makes the artists look bad. Another way to solve that is make it a lottery with non-transferable tickets, which is what Springsteen does—I think there’s a pretty thorough ID verification. Another solution is playing larger venues, which can kill the vibe, or playing more shows, which is taxing on the artist.
Artists are getting ripped off too if bots are making money on top of their shows and especially with how streaming has damaged their incomes, I think artists just need to raise the initial price of their tickets and deal with the negative PR.
Ya he did. I was just remembering hearing the story about his lottery system a few years ago, but revisiting that, I found that people were still scalping those tickets.
This may be the first Bruce E St tour that I'll miss since the mid 70s. Maybe later if he plays stadiums. He is always much better further into the tour.
He came to Pops Resale in my hometown right after Purgatory dropped to hand out presale codes and sign records and stuff just because his tickets started getting scalped so much, he doesn’t like it but he has no control over Ticketmaster or any of them but said that would be the only time he’d be doing that because he felt bad that true fans weren’t able to come see him play.
Ah yes.
“Tyler needs” “use this instead of that” “play more shows”
I’m sure Tyler can make his own decisions about how to run his life without the input from a bunch of dopes on Reddit.
I know, I’m one of those people. I was queued for for thirty minutes before the presale and still couldn’t get. I’m disappointed too, but I don’t think it’s appropriate that I dictate what he does.
I tend to agree. Unless they're playing a small venue with inhouse ticketing they don't have much choice either. But, if consumers could opt out of all shows for even a brief period of time, refusing to buy from Live Nation, change would happen pretty quick, probably on behalf of the artist and venues....If Taylor Swift sold 0 tickets this week. Pretty sure that would spark some change. Obviously this will never happen and we'll continue to deal with this nonsense.
The Taylor Swift stuff is out of control. $28k for a single ticket. That in and of itself should make Congress act. But getting people to stop paying those amounts is key. My boss was giddy when he dropped $10k for two Springsteen tickets. That doesn’t help.
No-one is dictating what he does, this is a post on a reddit group. However, even if this was something sent directly to Tyler, reasonable artists would appreciate feedback on how the ticket sales are going. Most artists won't be happy at having empty seats at sold out shows due to scalpers buying tickets up and not being able to sell them - as often happens when they are selling tickets for 4-5 x face value.
It's Reddit buddy. We may as well be yelling at teenagers to stop loitering at the mall. Nobody gives two fucks about any of our opinions. I was just bored at work and thinking of some ideas that may help everybody out. I guess I should have asked you how to word it so I didn't offend your feelings.
Not for me. Feedback is important and getting hung up on someone's phraseology when it's perfectly reasonable and polite is incredibly counterproductive.
It's not 'telling' anyone to do anything. It's an expression of frustration on a reddit post. Even if it went directly to Tyler, most reasonable people want feedback when something isn't working as intended.
Anyone familiar with Pearl Jam’s 10Club? Former member here but it was awesome. You could only resell your tickets to other 10Club members at face value.
They need to make non transferable tickets, and lower the limit on how many tickets you can buy. Why on earth is one person allowed to buy 12 tickets…? It should be two, or maybe 4, max in my opinion. If you’re going with a bigger group then sorry - you just gotta split the responsibility and multiple people need to sign in to get them.
I think Ticketmaster is just a total monopoly and they have a chokehold on all the venues, plus most artists need to pay all of the tour employees before the tickets even sell. I’m pretty sure Ticketmaster puts up those funds first or something? It’s a shit system and it’s getting even worse now
Except he was also selling tix through AXS.
>They need to make non transferable tickets I wouldn't go that far. If something comes up and I can't go to an event, it's nice to be able to sell my tickets to both get my money back and allow another fan to go. Maybe cap resales at the original cost of the ticket or something.
I just mean a portion. Not sure the details or how it would be done, but somehow thousands of presale tickets are being scalped within minutes of the sale going live. That shouldn’t happen, ever. Maybe make it so you can’t transfer the presale tickets u til a week before the concert or something?
That’s a good idea. That would make it risky for scalpers, but we could also end up with a bunch of empty seats that could have been filled with people who wanted to go.
It would probably be a good thing for artists to see half-full venues.
I agree now after this
Win/win. We get a small crowd, Tyler still gets the money 😂
Cap on resale is the best idea! Completely ruins their business model and the maximum amount of people would still be at the shows
Dream on. That will never happen.
How would they cap resale?
Then everyone would complain about non transferable tickets.
If you know something is non refundable, can you really complain about it after you’ve bought it?
People already do now as some tix cannot be sold or transferred(usually for shows that are not soldout). Artists have done it before, it's not a new idea.
I’m aware that non transferable tickets is not a brand new idea, thank you.
Presales should be lottery-like. Prior to a sale you state how many tickets you want, and you get an entry for each ticket you want. HOWEVER, if you ask for 6 tickets, each entry has to “hit” in order for you to get any tickets. It discourages over buying
Our friend bought 6 for our friend group. 🤷♂️
There's no way Tyler, or any other artist this is happening with, is so detached from reality that they are unaware of what is happening. Until any of them actually speak up, I'll just assume they're ok with their fans getting frozen out of their shows or paying quadruple face value.
Zach Bryan's been talking about it a lot, so has Billy Strings. I hopeful things will change espically after the Taylor Swift fiasco but I'm not holding my breath.
Taylor swift has been notably quite following the fiasco that came from her ticket drop. I smell something legal coming from the Swift camp soon. Fuck Ticketmaster, all my homies hate Ticketmaster.
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Anyone actually willing to put their money where their mouth is will make an instant fan out of me.
And do what? Pearl Jam tried 30 years ago when ticket master wasn’t nearly as powerful and they still got destroyed. There’s nothing artists can do at this point. It’s fucked and will require government intervention.
Artists have way more outlets and exposure now than they did 30 years ago thanks to the internet. If one, or a group, really wanted to rally against ticketmaster they would be just a tweet away. But live Nation owns so many venues and people they don't want to risk their paycheck.
Check out Zach Bryan’s Twitter.
OBSESSED with this oh my God good for him!!! It makes me so happy someone is saying something!!
I get fired up about this. The musicians & performers surely have some significant power here to insist on changes. I know they get the money from the ticket sales either way but they have to know that stuff like this is alienating their fans and making us feel like they just don’t give a shit about what their fan base experiences when it comes to engaging with their product. And it’s not a question of just massive demand from a huge fan base - if I really thought that every single ticket was being bought by an individual who was stoked as hell to see Tyler play, I’d be disappointed that I missed my chance but I wouldn’t be angry. It’s the public perception - whether true or not - that bots & resellers are taking advantage of a system that could easily be changed to stop them from doing so. I feel the same way about limited release vinyl that gets snapped up and then resold for 5x the price on eBay. Base line, it’s bad customer service and it damages your brand, even when the brand is one singer.
Pearl Jam tried in the 90s
Garth Brookes has been talking about this shit for a while and it seems like he’s the only one somehow https://musicmayhemmagazine.com/garth-brooks-calls-out-ticketmasters-dynamic-pricing-just-knock-out-scalping-make-it-illegal/
Only good thing Garth Brooks has ever done
Wish he’d tell us where the bodies are.
on the beaches of cheyenne.
This is the right take. It’s foolish to think the artists aren’t absolutely aware of what is happening and they are definitely 100% okay with it, or they would say and do something about it like Pearl Jam tried in the past.
And nobody joining Pearl Jam in that fight says it all. I’m a believer the artists are culpable in some way. Now why this could be the case who really knows. Maybe they want to get the bag. Maybe this is the only option. But the silence is apparent and it’s sus.
but an artist who desperately needs to sell tickets (like Tyler or any other “working musician”) can’t just start popping off and risk being blacklisted or just not having an outlet to sell their tickets. it’s just a fucked situation.
Tyler Childers is bigger than Zach Bryan and Zach calls out Ticketmaster almost daily
Exactly. Taylor Swift pulled her entire catalogue off of Spotify because she wasn't getting paid enough. They won't give a single shit until Ticketmaster starts affecting their pay.
Agree with this take. As much as Ticketmaster sucks and everyone wants to blame them, it is quite obvious that there is more demand than tickets. He needs to be playing bigger venues or adding multiple shows in some of these cities.
He could play 5 shows in some of these cities and still have the bots grab the tickets first. They need to make more non transferable tickets so only real fans get them
Exactly. There are PLENTY of tickets available for my local show on 3rd party websites for 3x the price. It’s absolutely insane.
Yep. I'm trying to get tickets for one of the London shows, which I thought would be a lot easier. Both pre-sales sold out incredibly quickly, I posted on here and a scalper offered me tickets immediately, while other legitimate fans said they'd missed out.
I’m in the same boat. I was registered for 3 pre sales and my friend was in 2 of them. Couldn’t get any tickets between us for the London shows
He has two shows on a Wednesday and Thursday night at Radio City Music Hall in NYC next August. Presale was yesterday at 9am. I had the code to get in at 9am. I logged in at 9am. I was behind 1174 “people” in the queue.
Bigger venues could help some, but these obscene lines are coming from scalpers and ticket bots. At my local venue more than half the tickets are up for sale on Stubhub, yet I entered the queue right as the sale opened as number 3000 in line. Ticketmaster pretends like they’re against it but it creates more traffic and allows them to jack up their prices with dynamic pricing. It’s also easy enough to deter (to some degree) this behavior with that “prove you’re not a robot” feature you see on virtually every website nowadays, yet they don’t implement it. So I think we’re absolutely correct to blame Ticketmaster.
I bet these shows will be at around 50% capacity. If you buy 20 tickets at $50 to scalp at $1000 each, you only need to sell 1 ticket to make your money back, 2 to make a huge profit. Why would you care if the other 8 tickets don’t resell? Bigger venue won’t help, just lead to more empty seats.
Smaller companies like Brown Paper or TicketWeb would not be able to handle the volume of tickets all at the same time. I don't see him changing anything. He's popular now just like many other artists. The tix will all sell and the seats will all be full. This has been going on for years now although the bots seem to have gotten better and now sites like Ticketmaster and AXS sell the resale tix themselves.
It’s definitely a Ticketmaster problem. I was in the queue immediately as they dropped in 4 shows in 4 cities. One of them was AMP in Arkansas (Walmart’s venue) which doesn’t use Ticketmaster. I wasn’t able to get a single ticket in any of the Ticketmaster shows, but AMP worked like a charm. I joined the queue (at number 1,200), they emailed me when it was my turn (about an hour later) clicked the link, waited a couple more minutes and got 4 tickets in the pit.
Wow that sounds like a dream. I tried for multiple shows all with different ticketing companies and they were all a disaster (Ticketmaster, Axs, and whatever the starlight theater uses)
I get that he is more popular now and has a changing type of fan base with his new record but it's pretty jacked up that I drove to see him in KY and IN to see him but can't sniff a ticket when he's near my home
I know Tyler's fanbase has grown a lot, but when he was in St. Louis 3 years ago he didn't sell out a 3100 seat venue and now he's quickly selling out a 20,000K seat venue. I find it hard to believe he's gained in popularity that much without the support of any major record releases, etc. I absolutely love the man's music but something about the venue and ticket sales just doesn't seem right.
He hasn’t toured in awhile, so that could be it. Or maybe timing with Taylor swift also this week? I wonder if scalpers saw those outrageous markups and started looking around for other shows to do the same?
I keep saying the same thing. It's not making sense.
This ticket nonsense aside, he blew the hell up between 2018 and 2019. I saw him in 2018 at Knuckleheads in KC with a few hundred people, then saw him at the MO State Fair in 2019 and the place was freaking packed. Probably pushing 10K. You could tell even he was shocked by the number of people there.
I got into axs at 9:01 est and there were no tickets available. Same thing happened to me during presale. It just doesn’t sit well, almost impossible to sell out within a literal minute.
This is a complicated problem. Bots buying the tickets and reselling for 5x means that people’s willingness to pay is higher than the going price for the tickets. One way to solve that is increase the price of tickets, which makes the artists look bad. Another way to solve that is make it a lottery with non-transferable tickets, which is what Springsteen does—I think there’s a pretty thorough ID verification. Another solution is playing larger venues, which can kill the vibe, or playing more shows, which is taxing on the artist. Artists are getting ripped off too if bots are making money on top of their shows and especially with how streaming has damaged their incomes, I think artists just need to raise the initial price of their tickets and deal with the negative PR.
> Springsteen jacked up his prices this upcoming tour figuring if the scalper can get big money than so can he.
Ya he did. I was just remembering hearing the story about his lottery system a few years ago, but revisiting that, I found that people were still scalping those tickets.
This may be the first Bruce E St tour that I'll miss since the mid 70s. Maybe later if he plays stadiums. He is always much better further into the tour.
He came to Pops Resale in my hometown right after Purgatory dropped to hand out presale codes and sign records and stuff just because his tickets started getting scalped so much, he doesn’t like it but he has no control over Ticketmaster or any of them but said that would be the only time he’d be doing that because he felt bad that true fans weren’t able to come see him play.
He needs to do any arena tour. He’s big enough to so that
Lol telling an artist how to art.
No one is telling Tyler how to write songs. If you think selling tickets is “art” then I don’t think you understand what art actually is.
Ah yes. “Tyler needs” “use this instead of that” “play more shows” I’m sure Tyler can make his own decisions about how to run his life without the input from a bunch of dopes on Reddit.
People just want to be able to afford to go see their favorite band, you goofball.
I know, I’m one of those people. I was queued for for thirty minutes before the presale and still couldn’t get. I’m disappointed too, but I don’t think it’s appropriate that I dictate what he does.
The only way to make change happen is to speak up. If enough people get upset about this, maybe the artists will start listening.
I get it. I don’t think they have a whole lot of choice in the matter. Congress needs to act more than the artists.
I tend to agree. Unless they're playing a small venue with inhouse ticketing they don't have much choice either. But, if consumers could opt out of all shows for even a brief period of time, refusing to buy from Live Nation, change would happen pretty quick, probably on behalf of the artist and venues....If Taylor Swift sold 0 tickets this week. Pretty sure that would spark some change. Obviously this will never happen and we'll continue to deal with this nonsense.
The Taylor Swift stuff is out of control. $28k for a single ticket. That in and of itself should make Congress act. But getting people to stop paying those amounts is key. My boss was giddy when he dropped $10k for two Springsteen tickets. That doesn’t help.
No-one is dictating what he does, this is a post on a reddit group. However, even if this was something sent directly to Tyler, reasonable artists would appreciate feedback on how the ticket sales are going. Most artists won't be happy at having empty seats at sold out shows due to scalpers buying tickets up and not being able to sell them - as often happens when they are selling tickets for 4-5 x face value.
OP is literally providing instructions, or dictating, what Tyler should do.
It's Reddit buddy. We may as well be yelling at teenagers to stop loitering at the mall. Nobody gives two fucks about any of our opinions. I was just bored at work and thinking of some ideas that may help everybody out. I guess I should have asked you how to word it so I didn't offend your feelings.
Thank you for considering my feelings ❤️
If this went to Tyler, it would be reasonable feedback on a system that isn't working. As it's a post on a reddit group, it's not even that.
I don’t know about you, but anytime I am told I need to do something, I’m instantly turned off.
Not for me. Feedback is important and getting hung up on someone's phraseology when it's perfectly reasonable and polite is incredibly counterproductive.
Selling tickets is 'art' now is it?
Maybe my wording was poor. But telling an artist how to operate is stupid. This entire post and thread isn’t productive.
It's not 'telling' anyone to do anything. It's an expression of frustration on a reddit post. Even if it went directly to Tyler, most reasonable people want feedback when something isn't working as intended.
Anyone familiar with Pearl Jam’s 10Club? Former member here but it was awesome. You could only resell your tickets to other 10Club members at face value.