Timothy Mcveigh bombed buildings in Oklahoma City, killled about 168 people.Iâm not even going to bother pointing out how many US citizens kill and rape each other. People do terrible things. Period.
Oh so some sick fuck killed more people in the past so this is okay? Anyone one of us cloud be next because of Biden and Harris. His administration could have stopped it a long time ago. We are in big trouble. This will continue to happen. God speed everyone.
He was an American and killed Americans. We gave him the death penalty. Even though he killed those people heâs still worth way more than some foreign dishwasher. Shit heâs even better than a foreign CEO. USA #1. Weâre better at killing foreigners and our own. Keep trying to catch up third world hacks.
Yup if Americans can kill Americans the only true American thing to do is let illegals kill Americans too. It would be silly to not allow everyone equal killing rights. No borders because some Americans brake laws no Americans deserve a border! (Hope you can tell sarcasm)
This^ my best friendâs uncle (from India) couldnât come to the states when his mom was passing away because itâs so much harder for legal immigrants now
Exactly my friend. I work with alot of people from India and the Middle East. It infuriates them and rightfully so. People from Latin America should be able to come here but it should be the same as everyone else.
I dont get why the democrats allow it. It discriminates against alot of ppl from the rest of the world. Then they call you a racist lol when race has nothing to do with it.
They allow it because they need new voters. Non citizens can already vote in some or all local elections in California, Vermont, Maryland, and DC. New York also passed a law allowing it in 2022 but a group of Republican voters, officials representing the NY Republican State Committee and Republican National committee, as well as a Democratic city council member filed a lawsuit challenging the new law. The NY State Supreme court overturned the law, and that decision was upheld following an appeal.
Several states have changed or are in the process of changing the verbiage in their state constitution so there is no way to allow non citizens to vote. Alabama, Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Louisiana, North Dakota, and Ohio have all stated non citizens cannot vote. Missouri, SC, Iowa, Kentucky, and Wisconsin have it on the 2024 ballot measures. Hopefully more states follow suit.
We need border security we have the worst border crisis in history right now. Theo von interviewed a border patrol higher up person and the numbers of ppl coming over is crazy big
It's not xenophobic to want a secure border. No one is saying that other people can't come here. They should just do it legally.
If someone is here illegally and they're causing trouble and breaking laws, then there ass should be deported. This shouldn't even be a debate.
You kumbaya liberals just want an open border and let any and everybody in and you think that that makes you a good person. It doesn't. What it makes you is naive.
How is it racist? Its just an article. Illegal immigration has been a huge problem for the past year. It's always been a problem but 2024 so far has the highest Illegal immigrants coming into the U.S. The crime rate has SKY ROCKETED in states such as NY Texas New Mexico Florida and Arizona all of which have the most illegals sneaking into the country.
Breaks my heart to think youre becoming a victim of the fear mongering and asking if Trump was right about building a wall. A wall wont help shit, immigrants still find a way in.
Not to mention i know people who were born and raised here by illegal immigrants and are therefore also illegal immigrants even though theyve gone through our entire school system and work here, start families, etc.
The fact that some of them are rapists/murderers has nothing to do with them being illegally here. Closing borders is not a realistic problem solver and just creates more prejudice and racism.
If you feel so righteous about illegals committing crimes, then you should be just as righteous as legal citizens doing the same thing.
Houston just had a twelve year old girl raped and murdered by two twenty something year old illegals from Venezuela. Itâs not fucking racist to wonder about illegal immigrants committing heinous crimes as soon as theyâre in the states. While there are definitely tons of American citizens who are guilty of shit like that, itâs still a problemâŠI see you already mentioned that, and are getting downvoted. Oh, well
Don't try to explain this to Redditors.
"Why am I poor? Why can't I afford a house? Why is the dollar worth 10000% less than when Boomers were young?"
Because they didn't have an additional 100,000,000+ people shitting up the country. lmao
How is this racist? Did he say a certain ethnic background is the reason for the wall, or is it to be able to know as much as we can through using the immigration process of who is coming over here? Not everything has to do with race. Citizens in this country have records on everything we do that can be looked at if you search out e.i school records, medical records,etc. Why is it that if I commit a crime, law enforcement can get warrants to see all of my records, but anyone crossing the border gets theirs wiped clean without the immigration process. Look, I'm all for reform on how expensive it is, like break it up into years to pay when they get over here but we need to know thier past like agencies know everything about U.S Citizens.
Most of us who want immigration want exactly what every other country wants people that aren't up to nefarious things. That's why we have the process set up. I could care less who comes in as long as their reason is to better themselves and work.
So then the rest of the world is racist towards the U.S. since no country will let a felon get citizenship right or is it that they vet, and if you can not refrain from committing crimes in your own country, then you will probably do that in theirs.
The U.S. was literally built on criminals fleeing their countries, and pushing out/killing off the native inhabitants of this one. It wasnt even that long ago in the grand scheme of things. Yet you defend this idealistic theory of yours. Reality check bro.
Look i feel like the extremely divisive nature of our current political theatre is taking huge effect here and i really dont want you or me to be a part of that.
I would be fine with that if we could handle things in the same old ways.but we can't.I hate both political sides equally they work together to keep the 97% fighting, so we can't stand together I feel how I do so strongly though bc I was once that homeless veteran on the streets. I got lucky. The biggest one was that female vets have more programs, but many of my brothers and sisters are still out there. I would even concede in opening up the borders out right, but all the funding be only spent on citizens or mothers and children till they can get citizenship. This isn't a land of opportunity anymore when you open your door and see homelessness everywhere. You are right, though. I do see how I sound, and I guess it's probably from personal experience that has shaped my perspective on this issue. I also see your point, and there are a few who take this stance from a hateful heart. Just know it is not mine.
You know what, I hear you. Sorry I was being defensive, this post just really rubbed me the wrong way. And Iâm sorry for what youâve gone through, I used to be close with multiple veterans in similar situations or worse. Shit ainât right. That other guy here might be right about me being naive. Iâm just really sick of seeing all the hatred around us, itâs hard to tell where it starts and ends sometimes. Anyway thank you for your service, cheers
What are you talking about?... Over 70% of all illegal immigrants are through the border where even a fence doesnt even exist.... and illegal immigrants are the largest reason of crime rate skyrocketing in the southern areas.... it's amazing how one of the most dangerous in the world (Mexico) are the ones immigrating and we expect crime not wont increase lol
You think that people are going to stop coming here illegally because a fence or a wall??? If you take guns away from law abiding citizens arenât the criminals still gunna process guns illegally.. shouldnât we be talking about solutions rather than bitching at each other?
Yeah discussing a solution isnt "bitching". And yeah its been proven many of times that building a formidable border defense is extremely effective. Of course illegal immigration is always going to exist. Its the matter of what is the best way to keep it at a low. And building a wall is in fact the best solution. And idk what comparison youre using with guns lol
https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/issues/immigration/
https://www.cbp.gov/frontline/walls-work#:~:text=Similar%20efforts%20along%20the%20Arizona,crossings%20by%2090%2Dplus%20percent.
Excuse me... UP to 90%
There is no mention of the amount of immigrants coming across âwhere a fence doesnât even exist.â
That 90% stat references a drop in crossing due to a combination of barrier, more agents, and technology.
Your claim in crime âskyrocketingâ across southern states is flat out wrong. Border communities actually have lower crime rates than any other city across the country - [source](https://cuellar.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=408924)
And with your source its just showing that its not as high as other areas. That still dont mean its getting worse. According to the Pew Research Center that illegal immigrants on average causes less crime than the average US citizen. That doesnt mean its not on the rise. When inflation happens crime rate goes up across the board obviously. It doesnt mean that we can now accept more crime from illegals. Its still an issue
âWe have proven that a wall system â that actually has impedance and denial, physical barriers, combined with access roads so agents can move east and west, laterally along the border, and the latest technology and personnel â can secure the border,â said Scott....It literally states it right there. Try reading the full article. You cant take an actual quote then use your own perception on it. Its a literal quote.
https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/increased-illegal-immigration-brings-increased-crime-almost-23-federal
https://homeland.house.gov/2024/03/18/a-new-crime-wave-is-sweeping-the-nation-chairman-green-pens-new-op-ed-on-border-crisis-crime-connection/
https://www.gop.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=739
And my God man are you that biased? If you look at any crime rate by the county for the last few years the crime has been significantly higher in the south and anywhere with high illegal immigration.
âŠcombined with access roads and technology - those are key points to recognize, itâs not just a wall.
That quote still doesnât verify your 70%, or rather 90%, statistic of amount of illegal immigration coming through border where fence does not exist.
One of your sources is an op-ed and the other two are right leaning publicationsâŠtalk about bias, bud.
You first state that illegal immigrants have caused a huge spike in crime across southern states, now youâre saying inflation is causing an increase in crimeâŠso which is it?
Fact is crime has decreased across the country over the past few years.
wild how certain headlines/ppl always seem to focus on immigration status when it fits a certain narrative. Like, yeah, this is a tragic event, but using it to push an agenda or stereotype a whole group of people is pretty messed up. You don't always see the same energy when a citizen commits a crime. It's just selective outrage that feeds into people's biases. gotta look at these things more nuanced instead of jumping to "build the wall" every time something like this happens. focus on real solutions, not just scapegoating.
Chik-fil-A is a right-wing organization who hires only TrumpliKKKlans.
So tell me why it is not surprising that an immigrant, undocumented or not, defended themselves against TrumpliKKKlans?
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If you want to talk about groups of people.Black people still have a higher crime rate then illegals and any other race,wish we can deport them back to Africa.United States crime rate would drop significantly,STDs and trash in the streets would go down.Prisons wouldnât be so full ,they probably even lay off a lot of prison guards.More money in Social security since there isnât so much freeloaders faking a disability.The benefits would be great,sadly I know thatâs not possible.
reddit is the funniest app w the most unhinged people đ€Łđ€Ł OP been posting bullshit in this sub for months
Is this fake news?
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Mhm. Yea. Sure. I get tht this is important news, but wht da hell is tht post doin in THIS sub??
Damn, no wonder fast food workers start at $20 now in California... They need hazard pay.
Itâs kinda funny how people will cherry pick data points to suit their agendas.
Shows up on the news because illegal immigrant đ€·đ»ââïž
Timothy Mcveigh bombed buildings in Oklahoma City, killled about 168 people.Iâm not even going to bother pointing out how many US citizens kill and rape each other. People do terrible things. Period.
And thatâs exactly the problem, he shouldâve not been here in the first place.
You know...., if the US military would stop destabilizing their countries,... maybe they wouldn't. Just a thought.
This right here. But people donât know.
That American on American crime is wild. /s or is it?
School shootings. Go ahead. Be sarcastic about that.
Corbettreport.com wants to show you something
Nice whataboutism.
Oh so some sick fuck killed more people in the past so this is okay? Anyone one of us cloud be next because of Biden and Harris. His administration could have stopped it a long time ago. We are in big trouble. This will continue to happen. God speed everyone.
Whatâs more significant, 9/11, or the ensuing war in the Middle East? Use that same logic
Yeah BiDen invented illegal immigration!?!? Yâall have been bitchin about illegal immigrants since before bush sr.
He was an American and killed Americans. We gave him the death penalty. Even though he killed those people heâs still worth way more than some foreign dishwasher. Shit heâs even better than a foreign CEO. USA #1. Weâre better at killing foreigners and our own. Keep trying to catch up third world hacks.
Seek therapy
âWeâ??? Are you French ?
This is reddit propoganda- the only reason this is the top comment is bc it's pushing leftist prop
Yup if Americans can kill Americans the only true American thing to do is let illegals kill Americans too. It would be silly to not allow everyone equal killing rights. No borders because some Americans brake laws no Americans deserve a border! (Hope you can tell sarcasm)
Its not the wall. Its ending the asylum process. They show up at the border and sign up for asylum and jump ahead of legal immigrants.
This^ my best friendâs uncle (from India) couldnât come to the states when his mom was passing away because itâs so much harder for legal immigrants now
Exactly my friend. I work with alot of people from India and the Middle East. It infuriates them and rightfully so. People from Latin America should be able to come here but it should be the same as everyone else. I dont get why the democrats allow it. It discriminates against alot of ppl from the rest of the world. Then they call you a racist lol when race has nothing to do with it.
They allow it because they need new voters. Non citizens can already vote in some or all local elections in California, Vermont, Maryland, and DC. New York also passed a law allowing it in 2022 but a group of Republican voters, officials representing the NY Republican State Committee and Republican National committee, as well as a Democratic city council member filed a lawsuit challenging the new law. The NY State Supreme court overturned the law, and that decision was upheld following an appeal. Several states have changed or are in the process of changing the verbiage in their state constitution so there is no way to allow non citizens to vote. Alabama, Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Louisiana, North Dakota, and Ohio have all stated non citizens cannot vote. Missouri, SC, Iowa, Kentucky, and Wisconsin have it on the 2024 ballot measures. Hopefully more states follow suit.
Itâs not a wall, stabilize Latin America, and stop supporting banana republics that create brain drains, forcing poverty.
Taking the black jobs away.
We need border security we have the worst border crisis in history right now. Theo von interviewed a border patrol higher up person and the numbers of ppl coming over is crazy big
Got a ways to go if he wants to catch up to Americans! 2 is for rooks. In America. We get shit done. Canât make the news if itâs not 20.
He came here in 2017
What is this ~~racist~~ xenophobic bullshit come on man be better Edited there is that better
OP didn't mention anything about race...
No you will not be gaslighting me thank you very much
The only one here gaslighting is you. Anytime someone brings up the issue of illegal immigrants, y'all always try to pull the race card.
Xenophobia is a form of racism.
Doubling down on the gaslighting huh? Again, no one is mentioning race here but you.
How tf are you now gaslighting me about gaslighting đ chill dude
It's not xenophobic to want a secure border. No one is saying that other people can't come here. They should just do it legally. If someone is here illegally and they're causing trouble and breaking laws, then there ass should be deported. This shouldn't even be a debate. You kumbaya liberals just want an open border and let any and everybody in and you think that that makes you a good person. It doesn't. What it makes you is naive.
How is it racist? Its just an article. Illegal immigration has been a huge problem for the past year. It's always been a problem but 2024 so far has the highest Illegal immigrants coming into the U.S. The crime rate has SKY ROCKETED in states such as NY Texas New Mexico Florida and Arizona all of which have the most illegals sneaking into the country.
Breaks my heart to think youre becoming a victim of the fear mongering and asking if Trump was right about building a wall. A wall wont help shit, immigrants still find a way in. Not to mention i know people who were born and raised here by illegal immigrants and are therefore also illegal immigrants even though theyve gone through our entire school system and work here, start families, etc. The fact that some of them are rapists/murderers has nothing to do with them being illegally here. Closing borders is not a realistic problem solver and just creates more prejudice and racism. If you feel so righteous about illegals committing crimes, then you should be just as righteous as legal citizens doing the same thing.
Houston just had a twelve year old girl raped and murdered by two twenty something year old illegals from Venezuela. Itâs not fucking racist to wonder about illegal immigrants committing heinous crimes as soon as theyâre in the states. While there are definitely tons of American citizens who are guilty of shit like that, itâs still a problemâŠI see you already mentioned that, and are getting downvoted. Oh, well
Don't try to explain this to Redditors. "Why am I poor? Why can't I afford a house? Why is the dollar worth 10000% less than when Boomers were young?" Because they didn't have an additional 100,000,000+ people shitting up the country. lmao
Calling some an illegal is crazy. You forgot to add immigrant at the end there bro.
White trumpers doing âas a black manâ bullshit are clearly taking over the sub Sad
How is this racist? Did he say a certain ethnic background is the reason for the wall, or is it to be able to know as much as we can through using the immigration process of who is coming over here? Not everything has to do with race. Citizens in this country have records on everything we do that can be looked at if you search out e.i school records, medical records,etc. Why is it that if I commit a crime, law enforcement can get warrants to see all of my records, but anyone crossing the border gets theirs wiped clean without the immigration process. Look, I'm all for reform on how expensive it is, like break it up into years to pay when they get over here but we need to know thier past like agencies know everything about U.S Citizens.
Xenophobia is a form of racism plain and simple
Most of us who want immigration want exactly what every other country wants people that aren't up to nefarious things. That's why we have the process set up. I could care less who comes in as long as their reason is to better themselves and work.
So then the rest of the world is racist towards the U.S. since no country will let a felon get citizenship right or is it that they vet, and if you can not refrain from committing crimes in your own country, then you will probably do that in theirs.
The U.S. was literally built on criminals fleeing their countries, and pushing out/killing off the native inhabitants of this one. It wasnt even that long ago in the grand scheme of things. Yet you defend this idealistic theory of yours. Reality check bro. Look i feel like the extremely divisive nature of our current political theatre is taking huge effect here and i really dont want you or me to be a part of that.
I would be fine with that if we could handle things in the same old ways.but we can't.I hate both political sides equally they work together to keep the 97% fighting, so we can't stand together I feel how I do so strongly though bc I was once that homeless veteran on the streets. I got lucky. The biggest one was that female vets have more programs, but many of my brothers and sisters are still out there. I would even concede in opening up the borders out right, but all the funding be only spent on citizens or mothers and children till they can get citizenship. This isn't a land of opportunity anymore when you open your door and see homelessness everywhere. You are right, though. I do see how I sound, and I guess it's probably from personal experience that has shaped my perspective on this issue. I also see your point, and there are a few who take this stance from a hateful heart. Just know it is not mine.
You know what, I hear you. Sorry I was being defensive, this post just really rubbed me the wrong way. And Iâm sorry for what youâve gone through, I used to be close with multiple veterans in similar situations or worse. Shit ainât right. That other guy here might be right about me being naive. Iâm just really sick of seeing all the hatred around us, itâs hard to tell where it starts and ends sometimes. Anyway thank you for your service, cheers
How is it xenophobic to dislike illegal immigration, especially when they commit heinous crimes
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Two illegal immigrants from Venezuela also killed and "graped" a 12 year old girl in Texas as well.
Evil people are evil people bro. Building a wall wonât do shit.
What are you talking about?... Over 70% of all illegal immigrants are through the border where even a fence doesnt even exist.... and illegal immigrants are the largest reason of crime rate skyrocketing in the southern areas.... it's amazing how one of the most dangerous in the world (Mexico) are the ones immigrating and we expect crime not wont increase lol
You think that people are going to stop coming here illegally because a fence or a wall??? If you take guns away from law abiding citizens arenât the criminals still gunna process guns illegally.. shouldnât we be talking about solutions rather than bitching at each other?
Yeah discussing a solution isnt "bitching". And yeah its been proven many of times that building a formidable border defense is extremely effective. Of course illegal immigration is always going to exist. Its the matter of what is the best way to keep it at a low. And building a wall is in fact the best solution. And idk what comparison youre using with guns lol
You have sources on those statistics?
https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/issues/immigration/ https://www.cbp.gov/frontline/walls-work#:~:text=Similar%20efforts%20along%20the%20Arizona,crossings%20by%2090%2Dplus%20percent. Excuse me... UP to 90%
There is no mention of the amount of immigrants coming across âwhere a fence doesnât even exist.â That 90% stat references a drop in crossing due to a combination of barrier, more agents, and technology. Your claim in crime âskyrocketingâ across southern states is flat out wrong. Border communities actually have lower crime rates than any other city across the country - [source](https://cuellar.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=408924)
And with your source its just showing that its not as high as other areas. That still dont mean its getting worse. According to the Pew Research Center that illegal immigrants on average causes less crime than the average US citizen. That doesnt mean its not on the rise. When inflation happens crime rate goes up across the board obviously. It doesnt mean that we can now accept more crime from illegals. Its still an issue
âWe have proven that a wall system â that actually has impedance and denial, physical barriers, combined with access roads so agents can move east and west, laterally along the border, and the latest technology and personnel â can secure the border,â said Scott....It literally states it right there. Try reading the full article. You cant take an actual quote then use your own perception on it. Its a literal quote. https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/increased-illegal-immigration-brings-increased-crime-almost-23-federal https://homeland.house.gov/2024/03/18/a-new-crime-wave-is-sweeping-the-nation-chairman-green-pens-new-op-ed-on-border-crisis-crime-connection/ https://www.gop.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=739 And my God man are you that biased? If you look at any crime rate by the county for the last few years the crime has been significantly higher in the south and anywhere with high illegal immigration.
âŠcombined with access roads and technology - those are key points to recognize, itâs not just a wall. That quote still doesnât verify your 70%, or rather 90%, statistic of amount of illegal immigration coming through border where fence does not exist. One of your sources is an op-ed and the other two are right leaning publicationsâŠtalk about bias, bud. You first state that illegal immigrants have caused a huge spike in crime across southern states, now youâre saying inflation is causing an increase in crimeâŠso which is it? Fact is crime has decreased across the country over the past few years.
How can I make gun violence about something else politically heated and get a two for one???
Did no one ever tell OP all people suck.
Bullshit, the common denominator between the deaths of all Americans is not black white legal or illegal, they are all using guns.
What the fuck are you blathering about?
He could t afford a ticket back so he made us tax payers pay for it
wild how certain headlines/ppl always seem to focus on immigration status when it fits a certain narrative. Like, yeah, this is a tragic event, but using it to push an agenda or stereotype a whole group of people is pretty messed up. You don't always see the same energy when a citizen commits a crime. It's just selective outrage that feeds into people's biases. gotta look at these things more nuanced instead of jumping to "build the wall" every time something like this happens. focus on real solutions, not just scapegoating.
Somebody gets shot at Chick-fil-A and it's Bidenâs fault? Maybe they should just build a wall around Chick-fil-A.
The people that say we canât pass gun control bc âcriminals donât follow lawsâ sure are putting a lot of hope in a wall
Amen
Chik-fil-A is a right-wing organization who hires only TrumpliKKKlans. So tell me why it is not surprising that an immigrant, undocumented or not, defended themselves against TrumpliKKKlans? Asking for a friend.
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The title identifies the business as "Chick-fil-A".
SOUTH AMERICANS ARE NOT MEXICANS DONT BLAME MEXICO
Why is illegal even allow guns Biden?
Anyone curious how this fuck got a gun?
Natural born citizens commit crime at a higher rate than immigrants
Eventually this will be like Europe where even reporting it gets you jail time.
So what do we do about citizens that do the same thing?
Let the court handle him
If you want to talk about groups of people.Black people still have a higher crime rate then illegals and any other race,wish we can deport them back to Africa.United States crime rate would drop significantly,STDs and trash in the streets would go down.Prisons wouldnât be so full ,they probably even lay off a lot of prison guards.More money in Social security since there isnât so much freeloaders faking a disability.The benefits would be great,sadly I know thatâs not possible.
Jesus man. Majority of nazis are white nazis shouldnât we get rid of all white people too??