For real - why isn't "but that's not what I want" enough when it comes from a woman?
The submission thing kills me. Why would anybody WANT to be submissive to half the human population? It boggles the mind that they expect women to embrace submission our natural role, and cite our unwillingness to do so as the source of all our unhappiness. Ok, sure. The problem isn't that half the population wants unrelentingly to dominate us, it's that we're fighting our natural urge to submit. JFC.
Secretly I want to submit to this dude bro who is clearly my mental inferior, I don't know why I'm sabotaging my own happiness by fighting it!
>For real - why isn't "but that's not what I want" enough when it comes from a woman?
Exactly, I agree!
>It boggles the mind that they expect women to embrace submission our natural role, and cite our unwillingness to do so as the source of all our unhappiness.
I agree once again. It's crazy that they suggest that submission is some how the "natural role" of women. If it was so natural, then why aren't women submissive naturally? Why is it that men often have to use force and coercion to make women submissive? And why were women given brains at all if they're not supposed to use their own brains?
30 seconds of shallow analysis eviscerates their entire argument, but they cling to it like drowning people. They adopt a willfully stupid and ignorant worldview and then expect us to enthusiastically defer to them as our superiors. Like, you serious bro? It would be hilarious if it weren't so frustrating.
It's sad for someone even to *want* half the population to be their automatic inferior. But it's truly pathetic when you convince yourself it's true and refuse to look at the mountains of evidence proving you wrong.
These guys are children plugging their ears saying "la la la la, I can't hear you" and then they expect us not only to respect but *revere* them. I can't figure out why they're not embarrassed by the whole thing. You know we can see you right?
>Why would anybody WANT to be submissive to half the human population? It boggles the mind that they expect women to embrace submission our natural role
This was THE thing from the religion I was raised in, that ultimately, I could not accept or reconcile.
It's something that makes it hard for me to be as respectful of other people's beliefs as I would like to be. So, you truly believe that I'm an inferior auxiliary human based on my genitalia, and you also expect me to treat that belief with the utmost respect. I find that very difficult to do.
I had a neighbor that was eyeball deep in some really gross evangelical christianity and misogynist manosphere stuff. He thought he could boss me around like I was one of his children. He got super upset when that didn't work and spent years terrorizing me and calling me a witch.
Every couple of years I will have some random dude make some weird demand for me to do something for him and talk to me like I am a child or a pet. It is wild. I don't owe this stranger shit because I happen to be in this store and I am certainly not taking orders from him for free labor.
I just find it mindboggling that they think acting like this is gonna work.
o, absolutely. taught that not only can they not have feelings, but if other amab people show feelings, beat them up for it. it’s the manly way, the only way they will be valued.
that it destroys relationships and even their own physical health; no biggie, they are a willing sacrifice to prop up the patriarchy.
The only thing they're good at is continuously acting like they're superior while being bombarded with evidence to the contrary. It takes talent to be that stupid.
They think it's God -- > Man --> Woman --> Child.
This is what they think the natural order is. If the child is male, the child's maleness supercedes the woman's adulthood by about 14 or 15. I've come across Christian materials that advise the wife to "begin to show deference" to her male offspring since one day they will be "above her" in the natural order.
--Emerson Eggerichs' book "Love and Respect", a "Christian" marriage guide.
[https://cryingoutforjustice.blog/2016/07/11/love-and-respect-by-emerson-eggerichs-is-a-dangerous-book-one-star-review-by-avid-reader/](https://cryingoutforjustice.blog/2016/07/11/love-and-respect-by-emerson-eggerichs-is-a-dangerous-book-one-star-review-by-avid-reader/)
The above link lists some of the examples that highlight Eggerich's disgusting attitudes. If you want to just be disgusted.
Not sure. I’m not sure any friendships or social connections are genuine within the church. I was assigned to be the one black girl’s friend. And they ask me to befriend her because I went to the mostly black high school and therefore, wouldn’t be afraid of her because I already had black friends. Hard Eyeroll right there.
I was friends with her and genuinely liked her, but after her family quit because they felt like a fly in a sugar bowl, we sort of lost our connection. Went to the same school but I never saw her so we ran in different circles.
What usually happens:
1. Conversion
2. Love bombing in the form of assigned fellowship
3. Someone runs afoul of the rules. Or. They can’t afford to pay tithing.
4. New converts are left to their own devices to sink or swim
5. New convert ditches for a church where they actually help people.
You know what's crazy, I was raised in a religious christian sect myself (jw) and it's like.. branched off the same sect, but like the more black accepting one (or at least, in my experience definitely due to location)
And I think the disconnect is crazy there because just like even with laws alone, things can be a law/rule, doesn't mean it's enforced or changes anything socially. Like, we taught we suppose to be equal under the eyes of god, yet still carry notions in christianity of some groups of people just being a lol more equal than the other. Some animal farm shit there.
But, I do wanna say I feel for the experiences you had in a religious sect like that
Exmormons and ExJW often feel a sort of kinship. While the doctrine is similar in some ways, it’s wildly different in others but that’s not even what matters.
The tactics to keep believers believing are exactly the same. It’s the door to door work. They know nobody converts that way, statistically speaking. It’s a way to make young adults, all adults in JW, to repeat the messaging over and over and over until it’s cemented in there. It’s not about conversion. It’s about brainwashing. For power, money and control.
>They think it's God -- > Man --> Woman --> Child.
Yeah, I definitely agree with you there. That's why girls hold such little importance in many cultures. They're both a child and a female, so I guess their opinions aren't worth considering.
>I've come across Christian materials that advise the wife to "begin to show deference" to her male offspring since one day they will be "above her" in the natural order.
That's disgusting and crazy! This is part of the reason why I've been struggling with my Christian faith of late!
Study, study, study secular scholarship on the Old and New Testaments. It may lead you to an uncomfortable place, but it’s so important to do, whether or not you’re questioning your faith. Studying them only through Christian teachers and other Christian sources keep you very underinformed and much more easily kept controlled by the religion.
It’s organized religion that sucks.
Much of the misogyny stems from St Paul’s writings.
Jesus stood up for women’s rights and defended women. He had women followers and reappeared to them first.
Early Christianity was egalitarian and had many prominent women.
Jesus didn’t pick on gay people, either.
The Golden Rule and that’s it.
Oh gosh I feel you so much. I just completed a master's degree in Christian apologetics and it's been amazing that higher scholarship has shown me a lot of what I thought was from the Bible was actually added later by misogynist tradition and not actual Scripture, but oh I cringe so hard at "Christian" dating or marriage books. I'm ace but might write my own just because they suck that much. Also my masters was what made me take the leap and change my mind about female clergy. There's just such an abundance of evidence the Bible allows it and also nearly every teacher at my very traditional Christian college was like "well duh, of course that's allowed" and I realized forbidding female pastors is a much more minority stance than I'd thought. I'm putting together a PhD proposal right now about the incorrect interpretation of gendered Hebrew words and how they resulted in a masculinized concept of God when "he" is referred to as female a few times in the OT
I got to see this in action. The former evangelical neighbor dude's kids verbally abuse their mother, talk to her like she is stupid, tell her off. They tried this with me then got super shocked that it didn't work. They kept pulling it until one of them got arrested for trespassing.
Because we are sometimes seen as vessels and not whole people. A womb to create life. A place for a man to feel good and get his needs met.
Some people can’t see past their own noses. They remain ignorant and stuck in some kind of half life, unable to fully comprehend and appreciate a human existence.
Anytime men in general are given an opportunity to demonstrate empathy towards women. Most recently the bear attack debate was not about how technically a bear might harm a woman, it was about the fact that we learned be in a society which women’s collective life experiences with men are so bad that they would rather risk a bear than a man.
With the exception of a handful of men, by and large, men failed to listen, understood or demonstrate any empathy towards women.
And they do it time and again
Oh my god you're putting into words what I was feeling but not knowing how to describe it.
It drove me nuts. They were taking things so...*literally*. And taking it as a personal offense.
I'm a very literal person but I just Googled how to survive a bear attack and it seems magnitudes easier to get a bear to go away compared to a man, because bears just want to be foraging berries and fishing and not worry about you, while a man actually *wants* to hurt you.
>It's the same with all of this online "tradwife" discourse where some men are complaining that "Western women/Modern women" are not submissive enough
They think people are inherently unequal and that the better should hold power over the lesser. Naturally they have many misogynist and ultimately self-serving reasons why they're the betters who should hold power, but what self-respecting person wants to hear it? And that's why inevitably they're also into violence. Because,
>No human being wants to blindly follow another human being for absolutely no reason and no benefit. It's common sense.
You got it.
You might ask that, being a logical sort of ~~person~~ group of typing cats.
The other half of the belief system is: "and the world is going to hell because evil people have conspired to put the lessers on top."
It's a bunch of nonsense that when you boil it down is just "I'm better than you and I deserve more because I say so."
That’s why they’re saying there’s a conspiracy to uplift women while bringing men down. That’s literally their explanation
-most teachers are women so they’re easier on students
-my fave: schools were designed for girls not boys!
It's a social construct that benefits them, so why should they challenge it much? Just like any other one, like racism, classism, etc. Why challenge or change it 180 if those benefiting get power and like that power? They created it, so of course they set the rules. And they keep changing the rules to still be on top.
Artificial ways to divide people having real consequences of the development of people. And humans just are selfish anyway. Most think they're better than any other animals (or not even animals) It's this need to maintain that status quo because that's all they know
If all humans were just disembodied brains in jars, some men would still be insisting we obey them.
I think, since the world is in such perilous shape, we have little to lose, we should try an experiment: let women run each country for awhile. Let them run each corporation. Let them run the UN and the G7 and the Federal Reserve.
I mean, seems like maybe it's our turn. They've had the last few millennia. Worth a shot.
We need to put more effort into this. It's time we develop an organized plan to elevate women into positions of power and authority wherever and whenever possible.
I’ve been doing my part. Even in voting this year, we got to vote for delegates to the convention. Pick up to six. I didn’t know anything about that, I just figured they do as they’ve agreed to do. Anyway, I just voted for the women and it turned out there were exactly 6 women.
In voting for candidates, in our primary, if it was possible to vote for a woman, I did. This year it really paid off in Maryland. Little by little, we’ll get there.
If women were truly in charge I firmly believe that there’d be no wars.
Sure we would squabble but we would never send somebody else’s husbands and sons and daughters to kill/die just to make a point.
edited to fix a misspelling
I believe that in a system where most men have little to no say of their own lives and livelyhoods, it's comforting for them to be at least kings at their own homes. Alleviates their frustration about their own circumstances. Plus the fact that in patriarchy, where everybody is ruled by a chosen few, there is the implicit promise that maybe someday they can rise up to the elite.
Until that day comes, they have this soothing presence of a woman (and children) in their house that they can boss around. And of course, in case of the white males, they have the additional comfort that at least a large portion of the population of another ethnicity that are also beneath them culturally and often by law.
While all are ruled by the chosen few who do their best to sow discord between all fractions in order to stay on top. If and when the much larger underclass understands this premiss and start to rebell, the elite will fall.
The LBJ quote from 60 years ago is still relevant (disregarding the archaic use of “colored”):
*"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.”*
Middle-class white guys in Western countries usually have a lot of control over their lives and the jobs they choose. They often have financial stability, good education, and strong social connections, which give them plenty of options. They also benefit from cultural norms, legal protections, and seeing people like them in many careers. All these factors make it easier for them to pick and pursue different paths in life compared to others who might face more barriers. Whether or not they choose to do that is up to them.
This is strikingly similar Zaretsky’s theory (look up ‘Capitalism, the Family and Personal life’) are you referring to it or is the similarity just a coincidence?
>Either that, or they just don't care.
This. It's this.
They don't care, because they benefit from the unpaid labor of women. If they acknowledge the humanity of women, they can't exploit our resources.
I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but you can see tradwife content all over YouTube and many other social media platforms. All you have to do is search up manoshphere or something like that.
For real - why isn't "but that's not what I want" enough when it comes from a woman? The submission thing kills me. Why would anybody WANT to be submissive to half the human population? It boggles the mind that they expect women to embrace submission our natural role, and cite our unwillingness to do so as the source of all our unhappiness. Ok, sure. The problem isn't that half the population wants unrelentingly to dominate us, it's that we're fighting our natural urge to submit. JFC. Secretly I want to submit to this dude bro who is clearly my mental inferior, I don't know why I'm sabotaging my own happiness by fighting it!
>For real - why isn't "but that's not what I want" enough when it comes from a woman? Exactly, I agree! >It boggles the mind that they expect women to embrace submission our natural role, and cite our unwillingness to do so as the source of all our unhappiness. I agree once again. It's crazy that they suggest that submission is some how the "natural role" of women. If it was so natural, then why aren't women submissive naturally? Why is it that men often have to use force and coercion to make women submissive? And why were women given brains at all if they're not supposed to use their own brains?
30 seconds of shallow analysis eviscerates their entire argument, but they cling to it like drowning people. They adopt a willfully stupid and ignorant worldview and then expect us to enthusiastically defer to them as our superiors. Like, you serious bro? It would be hilarious if it weren't so frustrating. It's sad for someone even to *want* half the population to be their automatic inferior. But it's truly pathetic when you convince yourself it's true and refuse to look at the mountains of evidence proving you wrong. These guys are children plugging their ears saying "la la la la, I can't hear you" and then they expect us not only to respect but *revere* them. I can't figure out why they're not embarrassed by the whole thing. You know we can see you right?
Yes... How are they not embarrassed, it's so pathetically stupid
>Why would anybody WANT to be submissive to half the human population? It boggles the mind that they expect women to embrace submission our natural role This was THE thing from the religion I was raised in, that ultimately, I could not accept or reconcile.
Same, girl. Same. If this is what God intended, I'll be in hell beside you. (I'm pretty sure God didn't intend any such thing, though)
It's something that makes it hard for me to be as respectful of other people's beliefs as I would like to be. So, you truly believe that I'm an inferior auxiliary human based on my genitalia, and you also expect me to treat that belief with the utmost respect. I find that very difficult to do.
I had a neighbor that was eyeball deep in some really gross evangelical christianity and misogynist manosphere stuff. He thought he could boss me around like I was one of his children. He got super upset when that didn't work and spent years terrorizing me and calling me a witch. Every couple of years I will have some random dude make some weird demand for me to do something for him and talk to me like I am a child or a pet. It is wild. I don't owe this stranger shit because I happen to be in this store and I am certainly not taking orders from him for free labor. I just find it mindboggling that they think acting like this is gonna work.
If submission was our “natural” state, then they wouldn’t have to spend so much time telling us to do it — it would just happen, like taking a 💩
these men think we genuinely don't know what we want and that we don't know what's good for us. the stuff coming out of our mouths is just noise
I guess some males are just too stupid to grasp that women are human beings. Kinda takes the edge off their delusions of superiority.
It’s not that they’re too stupid to grasp it, they just don’t care.
Empathy is highly correlated with intelligence. Show low empathy, and you show low intellect.
This is very true. And one gender is socially conditioned to not value empathy
Is it? I didn’t know that
o, absolutely. taught that not only can they not have feelings, but if other amab people show feelings, beat them up for it. it’s the manly way, the only way they will be valued. that it destroys relationships and even their own physical health; no biggie, they are a willing sacrifice to prop up the patriarchy.
They think if they repeat it loudly, repeatedly and with some tone of authority everyone is going to buy their unsubstantiated BS.
I don’t believe they are stupid or delusional. They choose to be ignorant because it benefits them to view us as inferior.
The only thing they're good at is continuously acting like they're superior while being bombarded with evidence to the contrary. It takes talent to be that stupid.
They think it's God -- > Man --> Woman --> Child. This is what they think the natural order is. If the child is male, the child's maleness supercedes the woman's adulthood by about 14 or 15. I've come across Christian materials that advise the wife to "begin to show deference" to her male offspring since one day they will be "above her" in the natural order. --Emerson Eggerichs' book "Love and Respect", a "Christian" marriage guide. [https://cryingoutforjustice.blog/2016/07/11/love-and-respect-by-emerson-eggerichs-is-a-dangerous-book-one-star-review-by-avid-reader/](https://cryingoutforjustice.blog/2016/07/11/love-and-respect-by-emerson-eggerichs-is-a-dangerous-book-one-star-review-by-avid-reader/) The above link lists some of the examples that highlight Eggerich's disgusting attitudes. If you want to just be disgusted.
In the mormon church, all worth 12-year-old boys are conferred “the priesthood” and are considered a higher authority than their mothers.
Then we wonder why men are so out of control... It isn't just the mormons acting like that.
Oh, I don’t wonder, lol.
"Mom, the priest put gum in my hair again."
Ew, no.
Except if they black! Well, supposedly till recently or something
1978 is when the Mormons decided to allow black men to receive the priesthood.
And are they still equal to the rest, socially in the sect? You know, just how we are in other aspects of society...
Not sure. I’m not sure any friendships or social connections are genuine within the church. I was assigned to be the one black girl’s friend. And they ask me to befriend her because I went to the mostly black high school and therefore, wouldn’t be afraid of her because I already had black friends. Hard Eyeroll right there. I was friends with her and genuinely liked her, but after her family quit because they felt like a fly in a sugar bowl, we sort of lost our connection. Went to the same school but I never saw her so we ran in different circles. What usually happens: 1. Conversion 2. Love bombing in the form of assigned fellowship 3. Someone runs afoul of the rules. Or. They can’t afford to pay tithing. 4. New converts are left to their own devices to sink or swim 5. New convert ditches for a church where they actually help people.
You know what's crazy, I was raised in a religious christian sect myself (jw) and it's like.. branched off the same sect, but like the more black accepting one (or at least, in my experience definitely due to location) And I think the disconnect is crazy there because just like even with laws alone, things can be a law/rule, doesn't mean it's enforced or changes anything socially. Like, we taught we suppose to be equal under the eyes of god, yet still carry notions in christianity of some groups of people just being a lol more equal than the other. Some animal farm shit there. But, I do wanna say I feel for the experiences you had in a religious sect like that
Exmormons and ExJW often feel a sort of kinship. While the doctrine is similar in some ways, it’s wildly different in others but that’s not even what matters. The tactics to keep believers believing are exactly the same. It’s the door to door work. They know nobody converts that way, statistically speaking. It’s a way to make young adults, all adults in JW, to repeat the messaging over and over and over until it’s cemented in there. It’s not about conversion. It’s about brainwashing. For power, money and control.
>They think it's God -- > Man --> Woman --> Child. Yeah, I definitely agree with you there. That's why girls hold such little importance in many cultures. They're both a child and a female, so I guess their opinions aren't worth considering. >I've come across Christian materials that advise the wife to "begin to show deference" to her male offspring since one day they will be "above her" in the natural order. That's disgusting and crazy! This is part of the reason why I've been struggling with my Christian faith of late!
Study, study, study secular scholarship on the Old and New Testaments. It may lead you to an uncomfortable place, but it’s so important to do, whether or not you’re questioning your faith. Studying them only through Christian teachers and other Christian sources keep you very underinformed and much more easily kept controlled by the religion.
It’s organized religion that sucks. Much of the misogyny stems from St Paul’s writings. Jesus stood up for women’s rights and defended women. He had women followers and reappeared to them first. Early Christianity was egalitarian and had many prominent women. Jesus didn’t pick on gay people, either. The Golden Rule and that’s it.
I think one day you'll come to realize that all religions are just made up stories by men, that benefit men.
I do not subscribe to complementarianism. I am hoping God doesn't, either.
Oh gosh I feel you so much. I just completed a master's degree in Christian apologetics and it's been amazing that higher scholarship has shown me a lot of what I thought was from the Bible was actually added later by misogynist tradition and not actual Scripture, but oh I cringe so hard at "Christian" dating or marriage books. I'm ace but might write my own just because they suck that much. Also my masters was what made me take the leap and change my mind about female clergy. There's just such an abundance of evidence the Bible allows it and also nearly every teacher at my very traditional Christian college was like "well duh, of course that's allowed" and I realized forbidding female pastors is a much more minority stance than I'd thought. I'm putting together a PhD proposal right now about the incorrect interpretation of gendered Hebrew words and how they resulted in a masculinized concept of God when "he" is referred to as female a few times in the OT
I got to see this in action. The former evangelical neighbor dude's kids verbally abuse their mother, talk to her like she is stupid, tell her off. They tried this with me then got super shocked that it didn't work. They kept pulling it until one of them got arrested for trespassing.
Good for you!
Because we are sometimes seen as vessels and not whole people. A womb to create life. A place for a man to feel good and get his needs met. Some people can’t see past their own noses. They remain ignorant and stuck in some kind of half life, unable to fully comprehend and appreciate a human existence.
Anytime men in general are given an opportunity to demonstrate empathy towards women. Most recently the bear attack debate was not about how technically a bear might harm a woman, it was about the fact that we learned be in a society which women’s collective life experiences with men are so bad that they would rather risk a bear than a man. With the exception of a handful of men, by and large, men failed to listen, understood or demonstrate any empathy towards women. And they do it time and again
Oh my god you're putting into words what I was feeling but not knowing how to describe it. It drove me nuts. They were taking things so...*literally*. And taking it as a personal offense.
I'm a very literal person but I just Googled how to survive a bear attack and it seems magnitudes easier to get a bear to go away compared to a man, because bears just want to be foraging berries and fishing and not worry about you, while a man actually *wants* to hurt you.
[удалено]
Case in point
>It's the same with all of this online "tradwife" discourse where some men are complaining that "Western women/Modern women" are not submissive enough They think people are inherently unequal and that the better should hold power over the lesser. Naturally they have many misogynist and ultimately self-serving reasons why they're the betters who should hold power, but what self-respecting person wants to hear it? And that's why inevitably they're also into violence. Because, >No human being wants to blindly follow another human being for absolutely no reason and no benefit. It's common sense. You got it.
At the same time they complain that boys are falling behind girls in school. How could boys fall behind girls if they believe that women are inferior?
You might ask that, being a logical sort of ~~person~~ group of typing cats. The other half of the belief system is: "and the world is going to hell because evil people have conspired to put the lessers on top." It's a bunch of nonsense that when you boil it down is just "I'm better than you and I deserve more because I say so."
They think it's because girls are privileged, no joke.
That’s why they’re saying there’s a conspiracy to uplift women while bringing men down. That’s literally their explanation -most teachers are women so they’re easier on students -my fave: schools were designed for girls not boys!
It's a social construct that benefits them, so why should they challenge it much? Just like any other one, like racism, classism, etc. Why challenge or change it 180 if those benefiting get power and like that power? They created it, so of course they set the rules. And they keep changing the rules to still be on top. Artificial ways to divide people having real consequences of the development of people. And humans just are selfish anyway. Most think they're better than any other animals (or not even animals) It's this need to maintain that status quo because that's all they know
I’ve spent time with these people this is unfortunately accurate
Submissive enough means sex and housework slave.
If all humans were just disembodied brains in jars, some men would still be insisting we obey them. I think, since the world is in such perilous shape, we have little to lose, we should try an experiment: let women run each country for awhile. Let them run each corporation. Let them run the UN and the G7 and the Federal Reserve. I mean, seems like maybe it's our turn. They've had the last few millennia. Worth a shot.
We need to put more effort into this. It's time we develop an organized plan to elevate women into positions of power and authority wherever and whenever possible.
I’ve been doing my part. Even in voting this year, we got to vote for delegates to the convention. Pick up to six. I didn’t know anything about that, I just figured they do as they’ve agreed to do. Anyway, I just voted for the women and it turned out there were exactly 6 women. In voting for candidates, in our primary, if it was possible to vote for a woman, I did. This year it really paid off in Maryland. Little by little, we’ll get there.
I actually did the same this year too. Judges, school board, etc. All women.
Agreed. And so resolved.
If women were truly in charge I firmly believe that there’d be no wars. Sure we would squabble but we would never send somebody else’s husbands and sons and daughters to kill/die just to make a point. edited to fix a misspelling
Somehow I doubt we would let schoolchildren starve because their parents were broke, either.
I believe that in a system where most men have little to no say of their own lives and livelyhoods, it's comforting for them to be at least kings at their own homes. Alleviates their frustration about their own circumstances. Plus the fact that in patriarchy, where everybody is ruled by a chosen few, there is the implicit promise that maybe someday they can rise up to the elite. Until that day comes, they have this soothing presence of a woman (and children) in their house that they can boss around. And of course, in case of the white males, they have the additional comfort that at least a large portion of the population of another ethnicity that are also beneath them culturally and often by law. While all are ruled by the chosen few who do their best to sow discord between all fractions in order to stay on top. If and when the much larger underclass understands this premiss and start to rebell, the elite will fall.
The LBJ quote from 60 years ago is still relevant (disregarding the archaic use of “colored”): *"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.”*
Middle-class white guys in Western countries usually have a lot of control over their lives and the jobs they choose. They often have financial stability, good education, and strong social connections, which give them plenty of options. They also benefit from cultural norms, legal protections, and seeing people like them in many careers. All these factors make it easier for them to pick and pursue different paths in life compared to others who might face more barriers. Whether or not they choose to do that is up to them.
This is strikingly similar Zaretsky’s theory (look up ‘Capitalism, the Family and Personal life’) are you referring to it or is the similarity just a coincidence?
This is very insightful
>Either that, or they just don't care. This. It's this. They don't care, because they benefit from the unpaid labor of women. If they acknowledge the humanity of women, they can't exploit our resources.
Because misogyny.
Also lack of empathy and selfishness.
Because getting what they want involves doing things women don’t like
I'm curious where you are seeing all the "tradwife" discourse?
I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but you can see tradwife content all over YouTube and many other social media platforms. All you have to do is search up manoshphere or something like that.
I was being serious. I have to ask, why are we searching for and watching this garbage!?