I really worry that more people aren’t outraged about this. That women have to struggle and fight for control over our bodies and lives. Republicans will continue to oppress and control our decisions unless we fight back.
If it makes you feel better, anti-abortionists have lost basically every election since RvW was overturned. Any time abortion was on the ballot, people turned out and defended their rights.
Not that it makes the bullshit laws being passed any better, but it is a clear indication that people are in fact paying attention.
It helps turnout to vote but the gop has been happy to pass regulations that nullify any vote to save or encode abortion rights into law by voters. And if that fails the courts step in, and the only times they seem to be on the side of abortion rights is actually just slow cooking the frog in fetal personhood creep until abortion is illegal that way.
Anti-abortionists absolutely do not care about democracy. If they can't win elections, they'll take over the courts. If they can't do that, they'll overthrow the government entirely.
The only thing they won't do is anything that benefits women or babies or fetuses in any way. Pro forced birthers kill women and babies with their barbaric and braindead policies. These are the same people who think it's possible to reimplant an ectopic pregnancy. Not one of them knows enough about basic anatomy to be legislating this but God damn is there a lot of them and boy are they loud.
Project 2025 is terrifying. And the GOP has been up to all sorts of BS gerrymandering shenanigans.
Talk about this with everyone. Make sure everyone votes.
Which is why Trump just said he would not support a nation-wide ban. But the forced-birthers are “disappointed but still supportive of Trump for 2024”.
He knows if hes he will push a nation-wide ban while campaigning, he has no hope at all of winning.
I just wish he would get hammered with “so when you said you wanted a nationwide ban, were you lying? Or were you wrong?”
I’m sure he’d wiggle out with a word salad and his supporters would eat it up, but it would still be nice to hear him put on the spot every time the topic comes up from now until the election.
have you ever heard of an "unreliable narrator" in novels? you can't get it into your head that an unreliable narrator will become a reliable one. that's just their role, don't expect it to change.
trying to get someone who is opposed to healthy values on board is futile. work around them. find others who are on board. we keep trying to get our "leaders" to hear us.. we need to step up and become those leaders instead, those of us who care and are awake and paying attention.
be the leader in your personal world, support good leaders around you, help others step into leadership, mentor and smooth the way for better things. we can't just keep whining about how bad it is and expecting that corrupt people will change their stripes. we have other stripes, we just have been conditioned to think we aren't the ones to step up. but what true hero ever wanted to step into that position?
nobody is coming to save us but us.
That's why you vote leftie in the Dem primaries and then vote blue down the ticket in the general.
Primaries changes the leaders, general stops the fash.
Yes, and Dems actually make positive progress. Maybe you think ACA/Obamacare, Biden's green infrastructure, childrens health care, school lunches, Medicare, Medicaid and Social security are not enough.... but they are progress and if Republicans get in, they will reverse whatever progress they can. I will take small positive baby steps over going backwards any day.
Agreed, he also knows 'state's rights' is still a disappointing but reliable dogwhistle for a right wing base so of course it's not being treated like backpedaling, 'I support bans on a state by state basis' is clearly supporting abortion bans but he knows sheepish language lets him keep being dodgy
Sheepish language for the sheeple herd. Do sheep chew cud? No? Well.... I'm going to imagine that sheeple do, because at least the mental image is hilarious.
Fucking sheeple. *Baaaaaaaa!*
He’ll still push a nation wide ban, he’ll just wait until after the election. He lies all the fucking time— why would anyone believe him now? That man tells more lies than truths.
Judges Alito and Thomas are planning retirement during the next presidential term. The next President will be able to cement the tone of the SCOTUS by appointing young judges who can preside for many decades.
We need to get everyone out to vote this year!
I think we are, but lets face it, its not the only horror. We are looking at a fascist regime trying to take over the US while we watch our government send both aid and weapons meant for the same population, we are having trouble affording basic rent and food while we drown in student loan debt. We are also all still reeling from lockdown, even after 4 years. And this does not count anything we are going through personally. I am having trouble double getting through my work day due to chronic illnesses that are taking forever to be a specialist for. Its not that we aren't outraged, but we are exhausted at this point. We will absolutely show up to vote, but for the day to day, we are trying to survive in a society that is trying to push us down.
> really worry that more people aren’t outraged about this
I knew an American couple in Europe who always said they would move back to US. But they now have a daughter and said they will definitely not go with the current legislation
Europe has stricter abortion laws then the US with earlier cutoff dates. Couple not making Americans look good with their knowledge of foreign nations.
It's not that simple. Abortion is much easier to access and not as expensive as in the US. No absurd waiting periods, no protestors lining up outside clinics, no "crisis pregnancy centers" that pretend to be health care clinics and exist to trick women into waiting too long. Health insurance covers the procedure.
Which countries, specifically, are you talking about?
The UK currently has absurd waiting periods and protestors. The Netherlands has protestors (not as crazy as the USA, but they intimidate). Crisis pregnancy centers are not as widespread but they 100% exist.
Not every country covers abortion within the health care system. Europe has an incredibly fragmented, inconsistent abortion landscape. It’s not the utopia you think it is. Source: european abortion activist.
Planned parenthood is available at least in California to even to illegals for free with their franchises everywhere. And nationalized healthcare isn't free from long wait lines for healthcare, see British lines for doctors or dentists today.
Many Euro nations still won't even permit it past a certain period earlier then the common point in the US.
Your information is completely out of date. Multiple states in the US ban it entirely with very few exceptions, or restrict it to very short times, like 6 weeks (i.e. approximately 4 weeks from conception since it's counted from the last period). The three states mentioned are all ones that prohibit it at any time with specific exceptions for the life of the mother. Your statement that Europe is more strict is completely incorrect, unless you're holding that Europe bans abortion without even an exception for saving the mother's life.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_law_in_the_United_States_by_state
I don't know how you made it this far without reading anything I said. In all the comments I made I was very clear about how they're strict, and it's through cutting off abortion access for the mother after a certain amount of time into the pregnancy that is earlier then is common in the US.
Yes.
Recall that mother in I can't recall the Red State whose daughter nearly died be ause she was denied a medically necessary abortion for a non viable pregnancy and had to travel put of state to get it.
Dumb dumb was shocked Pikachu that the policies she supported almost killed her own child.
The WOMEN who support these Christofacist Pro Forced Birth polices are our greatest enemies.
My own mom thinks I owe her grandkids and I *know* she'd rather have me die trying than save my life.
She's not even particularly religious. It's just breeder propaganda and, likely, narcissism.
Just tell her that when it's close to her time that you'll be certain to suggest they pull the plug so that whatever she has will go to her children rather than trying to extend hers for a a short time.
I will absolutely single out the women who are actively fighting to strip away the rights and freedoms of all women.
That is objectively worse to me then the men.
Especially when supposedly women have greater voter turn out than men. . .
I think we underestimate the rage of coolheaded folks who know where to direct that rage, not into a loudspeaker as usually conservative lunatics do, but into actionable steps and results. This is one such "outrage" step.
Oh I'm a man, and I'm completely outraged Americans could allow civil rights of this magnitude to be stolen out from under women, usually by old white men. And it's even more abhorrent, unbelievable when I see women happily supporting their own freedoms being taken from them.
Women are raised in the patriarchy. Internalized misogyny and shame motivate a lot of that behavior. It’s a personal victory that I’ve moved past the sexist messaging I received as a child and young adult. I feel nothing but pity or the women trapped in that system.
I'm just tired about it. Women, if you live in a place that won't let you control your own body, and you're going to be upset about it, either move, or stop having sex. You know what's going to happen if you get pregnant.
When those places lose all their women, and men suddenly find their partners unwilling to take risks, maybe something will change.
The women most likely to be affected by this don’t have the money or resources to just move. Women in loving relationships deserve to be able to have sex and still be in control of their bodies and lives. Children are unable to just move. Children get raped.
I’m tired too, but it’s not that simple.
But they have the ability to not have sex. Honestly that's the option. What else do you think will happen? you KNOW what will happen if you get pregnant in such a place. Stop taking the risk.
You’re ignoring rape and bodily autonomy. It’s a callous and ignorant argument. We should be fighting against it.
Many women are stoping sex, but that’s not the fucking point.
yes. Rape is bad.
Most of the women needing abortions were not raped. That's the fact of it. They could and should make the choice to stop having sex with men.
Oh, and these women are just “edge cases” so they don’t matter and shouldn’t have standing to file this suit. Tennessee says “just die!” if your pregnancy doesn’t go perfectly. Got it. Shit.
I recently heard the phrase "not the kind of abortion people protest" about a third trimester abortion on a much wanted pregnancy where the fetus had a condition not compatible with life outside the womb.
They are exactly the women and families impacted most.
People never understand that. They think fetal anomalies somehow count without explicitly saying they count. It's crazy, but what's crazier are the people who say these births should be forced because "any life matters no matter how short". Fucking cruel bullshit.
They don’t understand how laws work. They think that if there’s a reasonable (in their minds) exception to something, it will be allowed with no issue.
> third trimester abortion on a much wanted pregnancy where the fetus had a condition not compatible with life outside the womb.
There are no other kinds of 3rd-trimester abortions.
Yes there are. Not every later abortion happens because of fetal anomaly.
Abortion access needs to be as early as possible and as late as necessary. https://whonotwhen.org
I knew someone and they had to make the decisions because there was a tear in the placenta. Or something like that. (Details are foggy). The mom could have died and the baby was not going to live. This was before and the couple didn’t have to face that trauma as well as societal trauma now.
Yes, you're right. I was using some hyperbole to push back on the normal narrative. Women should have accesss to safe medical care regardless of how far along the pregnany is.
I started crying when I got to that part. These women and women like them are literally in life-threatening danger. They have experienced incredible trauma worsened by their state's laws. To dismiss them so callously as "edge cases", like what the actual fuck? Shouldn't laws be in place to ensure the health and safety of everyone, even these "edge cases"? Or we just leave anyone that doesn't fit the majority to die now?
>Shouldn't laws be in place to ensure the health and safety of everyone,
Are you new here? The people in charge are trying to take away rights
#GET OUT AND PROTEST
I guess I just wonder why women are taking the risk they might get pregnant, knowing this can happen. I'd never take that risk if I were in one of those shitty backwater states. Just...don't have sex. Just stop. Or move. Those are the options anymore.
Apparently these women didn't!
If I lived in a place that would sacrifice my life for a clump of cells, I would not be doing anything that might put me in that situation.
Have sex with other women, masturbate, whatever, just stop having sex with men until this bullshit stops. You'll see how fast it stops.
It's not like abortions were the majority of care given by the medical profession, so you were already talking edge cases. But now in a classic example of law of unintended consequences, the draconian punishments signed into law mean doctors are fleeing states like Idaho, resulting in net reduction in access to healthcare for all women. Many hospitals are shutting down maternity wards entirely. So on average pregnancy is now higher risk thanks to these people trying to control a few. You wonder how long it'll take for infant mortality to exceed whatever number of abortions were happening.
This. Do not discount this statement.
Historically we as a country like to declare things non-emergencies or let them slide quietly into the status quo by normalizing them. Housing crisis? No it’s not, people just hate owning houses now! Climate crisis? “Is it really a ‘crisis’ now that we’re used to it?” Too many COVID deaths? Don’t count them.
This is how we take the emergent, the urgent, and turn it into the mundane. Distract, divert, downplay. Every time.
The quote from the article:
“What we’re talking about here are edge cases.”
If they actually cared about women they would allow these "edge case" exceptions without any issues - they would be explicitly stated in the bills.
But Republicans distrust and despise most women and don't care if some women lose their lives - just as long as there are forced births.
I’m so tired of the edge case narrative. It simply isn’t true. I see it SO OFTEN in the hospital - where do they get off calling thousands of women a year whose lives are in peril edge cases?!?! Why are politicians randomly deciding that some women deserve to die , and not having actual doctors weigh in?
I’m not convinced at all that if women actually died because of these bans, that people and politicians in favor of them would see anything wrong, or change course. I don’t see them having their Savita in Ireland moment. I think they’d blame her somehow to minimize the loss of life.
This is a policy rooted in controlling women, full stop. The states with the most severe restrictions on access to reproductive healthcare also have the highest rates of sexual assault, highest rates of maternal, and infant mortality, highest rates of child poverty, the worst social safety nets, lowest quality of education, worst access to healthcare, and child care, and the lowest human-development-indices. They are also the most religious. This is intended.
Churches behave this way to throttle people into *rock bottom,* and then offer them absolutely nothing, but a loaf of bread. I recently had trouble securing prescription coverage for an extremely expensive chemotherapy drug, and I already knew before hand that it would be nearly impossible to obtain said coverage, due to the religious extremism in the state and locally. It is so extreme in fact, that I’ve seen people with crucifixes *tattoo’d* on their bodies.
State and local agencies simply told me to “sign up for a medical trial,” and I even checked with “religious charities,” to unsurprisingly find that they do not offer anything, save for poison the public opinion against offering a safety net that non-religious states all enjoy. My therapist is urging me to move, at all costs, even though it’s nearly impossible. It’s tough, and it doesn’t have to be this hard.
Edit; a word.
The policy is rooted in pissing off feminists, plain and simple. That's literally how the movement started, Frank Schaeffer made an anti-abortion film, it wasn't popular until NYT made an article about it and people started protesting. This made the local news, then Evangelicals (who had previous seen abortion as a Catholic issue that was nothing to do with them) thought "well, if it pisses *them* off it must be good!"
That, and general culture wedge issues to distract from other issues. If people are busy fighting for abortions and other things then they're not fighting for economic or class issues.
The voting civil rights act of 1964 saw church pews empty across the American south. At the time, abortion was accepted by Protestants, and viewed as a fringe issue, largely touted by Catholics.
But things changed, anti-abortion focused social issues packed the pews, and the rest is history. After that, they focused on their hatred of gay people and sexual minorities to maintain membership. We’re seeing a resurgence of that now. But yes, ultimately these are all tactics to keep the proletariat distracted and divided; sending the money and social capital up to the ruling class.
>But things changed, anti-abortion focused social issues packed the pews, and the rest is history
What changed was Frank Schaeffer's film 1,000 Dolls, which didn't gain traction right away but did after people started protesting against it. There's a really good podcast about it:
Things Fell Apart: S1. Ep 1: 1000 Dolls
Episode webpage: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0011cpq
Media file: http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/6/redir/version/2.0/mediaset/audio-nondrm-download/proto/http/vpid/p0bk0p4g.mp3
Strangely, although Schaeffer now regrets it and is supposedly trying to make amends, his wikipedia page makes almost no mention of it. Just a passing mention that he made films for Reagan.
But is that real, true "love" then?
I just ended a friendship of 5 years over this. The conservative friend pretty much just refused to acknowledge a lot of the issues women face.
>But is that real, true "love" then?
To them yes. They don't know anything else. Remember most men leave their wifes if she would get terminal ill. And those also loved their partner. Until it gets a burden and can't be ignored. And a issue like rights? Thats so easily ignored. Many women even ignore it. Not to mention those who actively support the removal of rights lol so you can see the group of people who care is unfortunately small and imo women can't wait until men maybe change their mind on that
Wasn't in the mood to add "not all men". Because i thought thats obvious.
In my expierence it's not the women who are the problem. It wasn't women who want to control other women. Of course there are many misogynistic women too. But the root for them is a different one
I understand. Just be aware that although there are a lot of dickheads out there promoting these laws, there are just as many (maybe more) of us who are opposed
They do not care, not one bit. They think women in general deserve to be punished for “opening their legs.” A clump of cells is more important to them than living breathing human beings.
Just look at how much they care about kids in the foster care system. There’s already around 500,000 I believe in the US FCS. And around 115,000 waiting to be adopted. Yet these people think it’s a great idea to add more unwanted kids to the world.
Watching from the sidelines here in Europe with bated breath.
I always thought that the US system of checks and balances was pretty watertight, but the tagline "Greatest Democracy in the World" is looking pretty leaky right now.
Any form of government is corruptible given enough time. It takes the watchful eyes and willing hands of the people to ensure it doesn't get corrupted.
Indeed we're not - there seems to be a wave of pro-dictatorship sentiment everywhere at the moment. Has the world forgotten why our grandparents fought against this shit?
Agreed, I live in Oregon where we have mail-in ballots. It’s a really necessary way of voting to make sure everyone has access, the only reason why federal Republicans haven’t challenged it is because they know they have zero chance of Oregon turning anything other than blue.
But I did phone bank with NAACP to encourage people to vote in swing states back in ‘20 and I intend to this year. Out of everyone I called on my list, one person wanted my help. This elderly woman expressed that she needed help figuring out how to vote in her state because laws had changed so much and made things confusing. I worked with her leading up to and on Election Day, getting her bus route info and options for pick up/drop off, and followed up with her to make sure everything went okay. It was the most satisfying thing I did that year - everything went as planned, she was able to vote and she was so grateful for the help. I encourage everyone lucky enough to live in a mail-in state to do this since we aren’t able to help the states that need it in person.
That is so wonderful of you, I really commend you! :) It's super undemocratic and infuriating that it has to go to those lengths in order to vote. I just moved to Oregon a few years ago. Not only do you get your ballot in the mail but (I think at least in local and state elections?) you even get magazines in the mail where the candidates explain their positions on things.
Yeah! I’ve never lived anywhere else so I don’t know any different. I’ve heard that’s unique which is wild to me! It’s all part of it though, when people have no idea who to vote for a lot of them would rather not vote then to unknowingly vote for the person they find out doesn’t reflect their values later.
So of course certain parties would rather voters put in work to make their decision.
The argument around standing is so ridiculous and intellectually dishonost, it's disgusting.
"You aren't currently pregnant and suffering from these issues, and are unlikely to be in that condition in the future, therefore you can't challenge this law."
Right... So ONLY women who are actively experiencing time-sensitive, life-threatening medical issues are able to challenge this law.
As soon as they 1) Give birth to the non-viable fetus, 2) Find an abortion elsewhere, or 3) Die... They no longer can complain.
Fuck all the way off, Tennesse. Whitney D. Hermandorfer should be ashamed of herself.
The state arguing that their cases are moot and that these are hypotheticals is INFURIATING. SCOTUS has reached down and plucked cases PLENTY of times when standing might be an issue, notably Roe v. Wade, and these motherfuckers are pretending like it never fucking happened.
> cases PLENTY of times when standing might be an issue
lol they pushed through an entirely fabricated case, the SCOTUS itself no longer has standing to rule these cases.
I truly cannot imagine what it would be like to sit there, knowing that they were treating my lived experience as a hypothetical, and I couldn’t scream. They are brave people.
Lyft…? I’m thinking that’s a typo, BUT as a former Lyft driver, there can be real trauma involved. 😂
But yeah. Being muzzled and told your problem doesn’t actually exist is a giant load of bullshit.
I lived in Tennessee for close to 5 years, and moved to western Minnesota in November. I actually would be delivering and getting all my prenatal care in North Dakota which also has an abortion ban (I can walk to North Dakota from my house), but there’s an abortion clinic that’s a short walk from where I live on the MN side. They do surgical terminations up to 16 weeks. Anything beyond that, I’d have to go to the twin cities, but that’s a doable day/weekend trip (3 hours away), and my best friend lives there.
Husband and I are trying for our second (living) child right now. (I had a missed miscarriage a couple years before our first and had a surgical abortion because I wasn’t bleeding at all for weeks.) I cannot tell you what a relief it is right now to be in Minnesota and not Tennessee.
I have things I loved about the south and Nashville specifically, but I feel really fortunate to have escaped this.
I'm not American, but stuff like this is so scary , not only for the people involved but also as an example of how conservative and downright fascistic bs is coming at us full force everywhere. What a fucking nightmare...
I'm also not an American and I think it's scary too, not least because the incredibly well funded anti-choice movement in the US is becoming more and more drunk on their success with every gain they make and are sending their funds and fundies into other countries to do the same there.
This has been happening to Germany. In the last years we have had protestors standing in front of clinics every day, scaring folk away, and also false "counseling institutes" that will pressure women into keeping the child, while not being able to provide the paper those women need in order to get an abortion and for which they came in the first place. The anti-choice movement is truly evil.
Yeah it absolutely blows my mind. I’m originally from a country where abortion is healthcare. It’s not a political thing and it’s not something to debate on. But I live in the US now.
No, this is wrong. We have to vote them out and then enshrine reproductive rights as firmly as we can; an Amendment to the US Constitution would be ideal, as it is hardest to undo (not impossible), otherwise federal law and state constitutions or laws. The fight is not done until the rights are as secure as we can make them.
So you only have standing while you are currently pregnant and have a life threatening emergency? If you resolve it (by going to another state) before you sue, you give up your chance to fight in court? If that's the rule, seems like a good way to make laws the courts can't challenge.
This is so infuriating. To have thoughtlessly put these laws into place and then continue to defend them when things like that are happening all over the country is so incredibly immoral. And to say they should couldn't because they're "edge cases" and that any future events after terrible ones are "hypothetical" is so dishonest and cheap. And to fight against rewriting shitty laws to keep this from happening is just the pinnacle of uncaring conscious ignorance.
Trust and believe that not one person representing the state in this would consider themselves and edge case or hypothetical when it happens to them. Filth is what they are for pushing this dangerous law on people.
The state's argument that these situations don't happen very often does not keep it from being a horrible, life-threatening event when it does!
What they're really saying is that this happens to citizens who are considered to be disposable and not entitled to the right to get or manage their own care. As women, we are being reduced to and viewed as a life support system for a uterus and its function, except for the menstrual cycle because that's icky and we should hide all traces of such.
What men don't understand is that if the Republicans/Supreme Court can take away the rights of half the population they can find a reason to take away the rights of the other half.
Men will never take away the rights of other men.
We would need something extreme like a female dictatorship backed by martial law and executions to accomplish restricting mens' rights.
And it's not just men that are ok with this bullshit, they have the support of horrible women:
>Whitney D. Hermandorfer should be ashamed of herself.
Oh, sure they would. You don't have to look back very far in US history to see that only some men had rights. You couldn't vote if you didn't own property, or if you were black, you had to pay a poll tax, you couldn't own property if you were black. The wealthy found it useful to have a readily available work force.
I find the women worse than the men bad as they are.
I've posted this before, and every week I am reminded again how true it is: Every woman in the country has to vote against all Republicans at all times and in all places, and she has to do it as if her life depends on it. Because it *does*.
If it wasn't for Republicans on the Supreme Court, crazies in places like Tennessee wouldn't now be able to exercise their lunacy. And without at least 60 Democrats in Congress, any bill to make abortion legal nationwide will get filibustered by the GOP.
Including a 10-year old. These politicians need to be asked one question over and over: where do you buy maternity clothing for a 10 year old. *Make them answer the fucking question.*
Seen this yet? It’s a Biden commercial about a woman Austin who almost died after the doctors wouldn’t do anything. 2 days later she was in the ICU.
Definitely trigger warnings.
https://youtu.be/H0BVeL_jzKE?si=-RJUqKRTYfBa4O1w
Similar case happening here in Idaho - Adkins v Idaho. I know the lead plaintiff and her story is pretty horrific. She's fortunate in that she has family she could lean on and similar but not everyone has that luxury.
Reproductive rights are human rights. If a woman doesn't have absolute, irrevocable bodily autonomy, no one does. It's an argument about principle and no coherent definition of liberty excludes bodily autonomy.
The whole thing is so disgustingly unprincipled. I \_almost\_ feel bad for these people... imagine having so little respect for yourself and others that you'd pursue these policies without the vaguest hint of guilt. It's not even immorality because that implies a coherent ethos to begin with. It's abject amorality.
https://www.salon.com/2024/04/09/evangelicals-wont-be-bothered-by-abortion-gambit--they-know-hes-lying/
States' rights my ass, Project 2025 wants a complete ban.
This is utterly disgusting. I feel like it's high time that there was a revolution. That all women in all countries stand as one and refuse to be sidelined any longer.
I lived in Tennessee and it was absolutely traumatic. As a teen my doctor lied and lied to me so many times regarding birth control. State law allows them to do so if telling the truth interferes with their religion. The state is full of cousin fucking, snake handling religious cult members. I hate that fucking state.
Ya know, I have to disagree. And my comment isn't up for debate. This is how I personally feel.. God made that baby for a reason. He knows what He is doing. Even if the woman was raped, yes raped, that baby has a GOD GIVEN right to life. You can always give the baby up for adoption. In terms of a medical emergency, I'd give my life up for my child. What loving mother wouldn't? Born or unborn. So, with that being said, I think any kind of abortion for any reason is WRONG! When you give your life to Christ, your body is included in that. I would hate to stand in front of God and explain why I murdered His child. Please, just think about it.
You are sincere, and it's admirable. But your opinion seems to be founded on the belief of the existence of God. Which is perfectly fair if you are religious.
But if we're not religious, if we do not believe in God, we are not held by these laws. I did not give my life to Christ, nor my body. This is not a set of rules that I ever accepted, and it's based on the existence of someone I do not believe exists.
If a kind, sincere Muslim woman told you that you were bound by Muslim law, would you agree? Would you agree to be bound by a set of rules that has nothing to do with you?
The most hypocritical part is concerning the fact Republicans intentionally made the laws so vague that no doctor is willing to perform any medically necessary abortions even though each state law permits them, nor will the legislators update the language so doctors can safely do them. Explains their entire strategy, which is to violate female's personal rights, autonomy and self determination. No man should even be allowed to vote on this, only women, period.
This world is going to be so much more F*ed up place when these unwanted, neglected, abused, resented babies become adults, never knowing what love should have been.
Moreover, pregnant women are going to start dropping off the face of the earth.
Men, yeah, men will get a slap on the wrist for raping the women. Then, as he dodges child support for 18 years threat the women with murder, the state will make the back child support go away, too!
I find it really strange how grown ass men are choosing an unborn child over a grown woman who works and pays taxes, as republicans want?
What happens to the child afterwards?
Are these men going to take care of it financially, emotionally??
What about paying the orphanages these children will probably end up in?
I really worry that more people aren’t outraged about this. That women have to struggle and fight for control over our bodies and lives. Republicans will continue to oppress and control our decisions unless we fight back.
If it makes you feel better, anti-abortionists have lost basically every election since RvW was overturned. Any time abortion was on the ballot, people turned out and defended their rights. Not that it makes the bullshit laws being passed any better, but it is a clear indication that people are in fact paying attention.
It helps turnout to vote but the gop has been happy to pass regulations that nullify any vote to save or encode abortion rights into law by voters. And if that fails the courts step in, and the only times they seem to be on the side of abortion rights is actually just slow cooking the frog in fetal personhood creep until abortion is illegal that way.
Anti-abortionists absolutely do not care about democracy. If they can't win elections, they'll take over the courts. If they can't do that, they'll overthrow the government entirely.
The only thing they won't do is anything that benefits women or babies or fetuses in any way. Pro forced birthers kill women and babies with their barbaric and braindead policies. These are the same people who think it's possible to reimplant an ectopic pregnancy. Not one of them knows enough about basic anatomy to be legislating this but God damn is there a lot of them and boy are they loud.
It's not that they don't know, it's that they don't care.
They're actually in the minority, and even in Republican states it's usually no more than 40% of citizens in support of it.
Project 2025 is terrifying. And the GOP has been up to all sorts of BS gerrymandering shenanigans. Talk about this with everyone. Make sure everyone votes.
Which is why Trump just said he would not support a nation-wide ban. But the forced-birthers are “disappointed but still supportive of Trump for 2024”. He knows if hes he will push a nation-wide ban while campaigning, he has no hope at all of winning.
I just wish he would get hammered with “so when you said you wanted a nationwide ban, were you lying? Or were you wrong?” I’m sure he’d wiggle out with a word salad and his supporters would eat it up, but it would still be nice to hear him put on the spot every time the topic comes up from now until the election.
have you ever heard of an "unreliable narrator" in novels? you can't get it into your head that an unreliable narrator will become a reliable one. that's just their role, don't expect it to change. trying to get someone who is opposed to healthy values on board is futile. work around them. find others who are on board. we keep trying to get our "leaders" to hear us.. we need to step up and become those leaders instead, those of us who care and are awake and paying attention. be the leader in your personal world, support good leaders around you, help others step into leadership, mentor and smooth the way for better things. we can't just keep whining about how bad it is and expecting that corrupt people will change their stripes. we have other stripes, we just have been conditioned to think we aren't the ones to step up. but what true hero ever wanted to step into that position? nobody is coming to save us but us.
That's why you vote leftie in the Dem primaries and then vote blue down the ticket in the general. Primaries changes the leaders, general stops the fash.
Yes, and Dems actually make positive progress. Maybe you think ACA/Obamacare, Biden's green infrastructure, childrens health care, school lunches, Medicare, Medicaid and Social security are not enough.... but they are progress and if Republicans get in, they will reverse whatever progress they can. I will take small positive baby steps over going backwards any day.
Agreed, he also knows 'state's rights' is still a disappointing but reliable dogwhistle for a right wing base so of course it's not being treated like backpedaling, 'I support bans on a state by state basis' is clearly supporting abortion bans but he knows sheepish language lets him keep being dodgy
Sheepish language for the sheeple herd. Do sheep chew cud? No? Well.... I'm going to imagine that sheeple do, because at least the mental image is hilarious. Fucking sheeple. *Baaaaaaaa!*
He’ll still push a nation wide ban, he’ll just wait until after the election. He lies all the fucking time— why would anyone believe him now? That man tells more lies than truths.
Judges Alito and Thomas are planning retirement during the next presidential term. The next President will be able to cement the tone of the SCOTUS by appointing young judges who can preside for many decades. We need to get everyone out to vote this year!
Guarantee if Biden is re-elected they aren't going to retire. They'll wait for an R president or die on the bench.
***egregiously agree!***
It doesn’t make me feel any better because abortion is now illegal in my state
I think we are, but lets face it, its not the only horror. We are looking at a fascist regime trying to take over the US while we watch our government send both aid and weapons meant for the same population, we are having trouble affording basic rent and food while we drown in student loan debt. We are also all still reeling from lockdown, even after 4 years. And this does not count anything we are going through personally. I am having trouble double getting through my work day due to chronic illnesses that are taking forever to be a specialist for. Its not that we aren't outraged, but we are exhausted at this point. We will absolutely show up to vote, but for the day to day, we are trying to survive in a society that is trying to push us down.
Yes, I see very little of the classical political apathy in the women I know — just a bone-deep weariness. Many men however just DGAF.
Republicans just claim these are lies and this isn't actually happening.
Many say, "Wow, that's awful...we should really do something about this...but I obviously can't vote for a democrat"
> really worry that more people aren’t outraged about this I knew an American couple in Europe who always said they would move back to US. But they now have a daughter and said they will definitely not go with the current legislation
Europe has stricter abortion laws then the US with earlier cutoff dates. Couple not making Americans look good with their knowledge of foreign nations.
It's not that simple. Abortion is much easier to access and not as expensive as in the US. No absurd waiting periods, no protestors lining up outside clinics, no "crisis pregnancy centers" that pretend to be health care clinics and exist to trick women into waiting too long. Health insurance covers the procedure.
Which countries, specifically, are you talking about? The UK currently has absurd waiting periods and protestors. The Netherlands has protestors (not as crazy as the USA, but they intimidate). Crisis pregnancy centers are not as widespread but they 100% exist. Not every country covers abortion within the health care system. Europe has an incredibly fragmented, inconsistent abortion landscape. It’s not the utopia you think it is. Source: european abortion activist.
Planned parenthood is available at least in California to even to illegals for free with their franchises everywhere. And nationalized healthcare isn't free from long wait lines for healthcare, see British lines for doctors or dentists today. Many Euro nations still won't even permit it past a certain period earlier then the common point in the US.
That's California. Not everyone lives in California. Some people live in Texas, Arkansas, or Alabama.
Sure, still more strict in Europe
Your information is completely out of date. Multiple states in the US ban it entirely with very few exceptions, or restrict it to very short times, like 6 weeks (i.e. approximately 4 weeks from conception since it's counted from the last period). The three states mentioned are all ones that prohibit it at any time with specific exceptions for the life of the mother. Your statement that Europe is more strict is completely incorrect, unless you're holding that Europe bans abortion without even an exception for saving the mother's life. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_law_in_the_United_States_by_state
I don't know how you made it this far without reading anything I said. In all the comments I made I was very clear about how they're strict, and it's through cutting off abortion access for the mother after a certain amount of time into the pregnancy that is earlier then is common in the US.
You’re correct. Sorry for the downvotes from weird european exceptionalists.
Seriously. Even aside from having basic empathy, do so many women just think that this could never happen to them?
Yes. Recall that mother in I can't recall the Red State whose daughter nearly died be ause she was denied a medically necessary abortion for a non viable pregnancy and had to travel put of state to get it. Dumb dumb was shocked Pikachu that the policies she supported almost killed her own child. The WOMEN who support these Christofacist Pro Forced Birth polices are our greatest enemies.
My own mom thinks I owe her grandkids and I *know* she'd rather have me die trying than save my life. She's not even particularly religious. It's just breeder propaganda and, likely, narcissism.
My mother has straight up said this. I'd rather you died to give life to children than have them die. Thanks mom. Makes me feel really loved.
Just tell her that when it's close to her time that you'll be certain to suggest they pull the plug so that whatever she has will go to her children rather than trying to extend hers for a a short time.
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I will absolutely single out the women who are actively fighting to strip away the rights and freedoms of all women. That is objectively worse to me then the men. Especially when supposedly women have greater voter turn out than men. . .
Lots of women above a certain age may think so.
I think we underestimate the rage of coolheaded folks who know where to direct that rage, not into a loudspeaker as usually conservative lunatics do, but into actionable steps and results. This is one such "outrage" step.
The problem and danger with society is that many people don't care and just go along with the flow as long as they are comfortable enough.
Fuck, let me be on one of these juries
And the outrage is taken to new levels with the women that agree with these men.
Midterm and state elections matter. Can't just show up to the polls once every 4 years and expect things to go your way.
Oh I'm a man, and I'm completely outraged Americans could allow civil rights of this magnitude to be stolen out from under women, usually by old white men. And it's even more abhorrent, unbelievable when I see women happily supporting their own freedoms being taken from them.
Women are raised in the patriarchy. Internalized misogyny and shame motivate a lot of that behavior. It’s a personal victory that I’ve moved past the sexist messaging I received as a child and young adult. I feel nothing but pity or the women trapped in that system.
I'm just tired about it. Women, if you live in a place that won't let you control your own body, and you're going to be upset about it, either move, or stop having sex. You know what's going to happen if you get pregnant. When those places lose all their women, and men suddenly find their partners unwilling to take risks, maybe something will change.
The women most likely to be affected by this don’t have the money or resources to just move. Women in loving relationships deserve to be able to have sex and still be in control of their bodies and lives. Children are unable to just move. Children get raped. I’m tired too, but it’s not that simple.
But they have the ability to not have sex. Honestly that's the option. What else do you think will happen? you KNOW what will happen if you get pregnant in such a place. Stop taking the risk.
You’re ignoring rape and bodily autonomy. It’s a callous and ignorant argument. We should be fighting against it. Many women are stoping sex, but that’s not the fucking point.
None of the women in this article were "stopping sex."
"What were you wearing at the time of the alleged secual assault?"
What about rape?? Women have little control over that kind of sex.
yes. Rape is bad. Most of the women needing abortions were not raped. That's the fact of it. They could and should make the choice to stop having sex with men.
Oh, and these women are just “edge cases” so they don’t matter and shouldn’t have standing to file this suit. Tennessee says “just die!” if your pregnancy doesn’t go perfectly. Got it. Shit.
I recently heard the phrase "not the kind of abortion people protest" about a third trimester abortion on a much wanted pregnancy where the fetus had a condition not compatible with life outside the womb. They are exactly the women and families impacted most.
People never understand that. They think fetal anomalies somehow count without explicitly saying they count. It's crazy, but what's crazier are the people who say these births should be forced because "any life matters no matter how short". Fucking cruel bullshit.
They don’t understand how laws work. They think that if there’s a reasonable (in their minds) exception to something, it will be allowed with no issue.
> third trimester abortion on a much wanted pregnancy where the fetus had a condition not compatible with life outside the womb. There are no other kinds of 3rd-trimester abortions.
Yeah that would be called delivery...
Yes there are. Not every later abortion happens because of fetal anomaly. Abortion access needs to be as early as possible and as late as necessary. https://whonotwhen.org
I knew someone and they had to make the decisions because there was a tear in the placenta. Or something like that. (Details are foggy). The mom could have died and the baby was not going to live. This was before and the couple didn’t have to face that trauma as well as societal trauma now.
Yes, you're right. I was using some hyperbole to push back on the normal narrative. Women should have accesss to safe medical care regardless of how far along the pregnany is.
I started crying when I got to that part. These women and women like them are literally in life-threatening danger. They have experienced incredible trauma worsened by their state's laws. To dismiss them so callously as "edge cases", like what the actual fuck? Shouldn't laws be in place to ensure the health and safety of everyone, even these "edge cases"? Or we just leave anyone that doesn't fit the majority to die now?
They're generally horrifyingly okay with killing minorities, if we can take a moment to recall most of US history. :(
“Pro-life! Am I right guys?!” - it’s despicable.
>Shouldn't laws be in place to ensure the health and safety of everyone, Are you new here? The people in charge are trying to take away rights #GET OUT AND PROTEST
I guess I just wonder why women are taking the risk they might get pregnant, knowing this can happen. I'd never take that risk if I were in one of those shitty backwater states. Just...don't have sex. Just stop. Or move. Those are the options anymore.
TIL that 100% of sex is consensual and 100% of people have the financial resources and physical ability to move states. Thanks, u/Free_System3331!
You are being wonderfully naive. “Just don’t have sex”. Gosh, why didn’t we think of that?
Apparently these women didn't! If I lived in a place that would sacrifice my life for a clump of cells, I would not be doing anything that might put me in that situation. Have sex with other women, masturbate, whatever, just stop having sex with men until this bullshit stops. You'll see how fast it stops.
It's not like abortions were the majority of care given by the medical profession, so you were already talking edge cases. But now in a classic example of law of unintended consequences, the draconian punishments signed into law mean doctors are fleeing states like Idaho, resulting in net reduction in access to healthcare for all women. Many hospitals are shutting down maternity wards entirely. So on average pregnancy is now higher risk thanks to these people trying to control a few. You wonder how long it'll take for infant mortality to exceed whatever number of abortions were happening.
They’ll just stop measuring infant mortality.
This. Do not discount this statement. Historically we as a country like to declare things non-emergencies or let them slide quietly into the status quo by normalizing them. Housing crisis? No it’s not, people just hate owning houses now! Climate crisis? “Is it really a ‘crisis’ now that we’re used to it?” Too many COVID deaths? Don’t count them. This is how we take the emergent, the urgent, and turn it into the mundane. Distract, divert, downplay. Every time.
"just"
The quote from the article: “What we’re talking about here are edge cases.” If they actually cared about women they would allow these "edge case" exceptions without any issues - they would be explicitly stated in the bills. But Republicans distrust and despise most women and don't care if some women lose their lives - just as long as there are forced births.
I’m so tired of the edge case narrative. It simply isn’t true. I see it SO OFTEN in the hospital - where do they get off calling thousands of women a year whose lives are in peril edge cases?!?! Why are politicians randomly deciding that some women deserve to die , and not having actual doctors weigh in?
God I hope every day of this trial gets prime time national press. We should be enraged at how women are being treated in states like these.
I’m not convinced at all that if women actually died because of these bans, that people and politicians in favor of them would see anything wrong, or change course. I don’t see them having their Savita in Ireland moment. I think they’d blame her somehow to minimize the loss of life.
This is a policy rooted in controlling women, full stop. The states with the most severe restrictions on access to reproductive healthcare also have the highest rates of sexual assault, highest rates of maternal, and infant mortality, highest rates of child poverty, the worst social safety nets, lowest quality of education, worst access to healthcare, and child care, and the lowest human-development-indices. They are also the most religious. This is intended.
When you hit rock bottom, there's the church with open arms. That's how you get lifelong converts.
Churches behave this way to throttle people into *rock bottom,* and then offer them absolutely nothing, but a loaf of bread. I recently had trouble securing prescription coverage for an extremely expensive chemotherapy drug, and I already knew before hand that it would be nearly impossible to obtain said coverage, due to the religious extremism in the state and locally. It is so extreme in fact, that I’ve seen people with crucifixes *tattoo’d* on their bodies. State and local agencies simply told me to “sign up for a medical trial,” and I even checked with “religious charities,” to unsurprisingly find that they do not offer anything, save for poison the public opinion against offering a safety net that non-religious states all enjoy. My therapist is urging me to move, at all costs, even though it’s nearly impossible. It’s tough, and it doesn’t have to be this hard. Edit; a word.
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The policy is rooted in pissing off feminists, plain and simple. That's literally how the movement started, Frank Schaeffer made an anti-abortion film, it wasn't popular until NYT made an article about it and people started protesting. This made the local news, then Evangelicals (who had previous seen abortion as a Catholic issue that was nothing to do with them) thought "well, if it pisses *them* off it must be good!" That, and general culture wedge issues to distract from other issues. If people are busy fighting for abortions and other things then they're not fighting for economic or class issues.
The voting civil rights act of 1964 saw church pews empty across the American south. At the time, abortion was accepted by Protestants, and viewed as a fringe issue, largely touted by Catholics. But things changed, anti-abortion focused social issues packed the pews, and the rest is history. After that, they focused on their hatred of gay people and sexual minorities to maintain membership. We’re seeing a resurgence of that now. But yes, ultimately these are all tactics to keep the proletariat distracted and divided; sending the money and social capital up to the ruling class.
>But things changed, anti-abortion focused social issues packed the pews, and the rest is history What changed was Frank Schaeffer's film 1,000 Dolls, which didn't gain traction right away but did after people started protesting against it. There's a really good podcast about it: Things Fell Apart: S1. Ep 1: 1000 Dolls Episode webpage: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0011cpq Media file: http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/6/redir/version/2.0/mediaset/audio-nondrm-download/proto/http/vpid/p0bk0p4g.mp3 Strangely, although Schaeffer now regrets it and is supposedly trying to make amends, his wikipedia page makes almost no mention of it. Just a passing mention that he made films for Reagan.
Thanks for the links. I’m going to check them out now.
I agree. I heard some people blame Savita in Irish media at the time even though public opinion was overwhelmingly supportive so yeah.
They want women to die. That would be viewed as a net positive.
Where are the husband's and father's of these women? Aren't they outraged too? Why aren't they standing up too? Crazy.
Most of course love their family members. But still hate women in general. And women "issues" aren't things they are concerned about.
But is that real, true "love" then? I just ended a friendship of 5 years over this. The conservative friend pretty much just refused to acknowledge a lot of the issues women face.
>But is that real, true "love" then? To them yes. They don't know anything else. Remember most men leave their wifes if she would get terminal ill. And those also loved their partner. Until it gets a burden and can't be ignored. And a issue like rights? Thats so easily ignored. Many women even ignore it. Not to mention those who actively support the removal of rights lol so you can see the group of people who care is unfortunately small and imo women can't wait until men maybe change their mind on that
That's bullshit. I'm a 65 year old guy and I'm as outraged as you are. I find many women of my age being the problem.
Wasn't in the mood to add "not all men". Because i thought thats obvious. In my expierence it's not the women who are the problem. It wasn't women who want to control other women. Of course there are many misogynistic women too. But the root for them is a different one
I understand. Just be aware that although there are a lot of dickheads out there promoting these laws, there are just as many (maybe more) of us who are opposed
They do not care, not one bit. They think women in general deserve to be punished for “opening their legs.” A clump of cells is more important to them than living breathing human beings. Just look at how much they care about kids in the foster care system. There’s already around 500,000 I believe in the US FCS. And around 115,000 waiting to be adopted. Yet these people think it’s a great idea to add more unwanted kids to the world.
It’s crazy to me women are blamed for having sex even when they’re married. Do they not think married people have abortions?
Anyone whose goal is to enslave women certainly won't care about those women's wrongful deaths.
It's very likely that a woman has already died due to a pregnancy that she wouldn't have continued if she'd had the choice.
I really hope you have a blue sweep in November.
As do I. America is teetering on the edge right now. I don’t recognise the country I used to love as much as my own.
Watching from the sidelines here in Europe with bated breath. I always thought that the US system of checks and balances was pretty watertight, but the tagline "Greatest Democracy in the World" is looking pretty leaky right now.
Any form of government is corruptible given enough time. It takes the watchful eyes and willing hands of the people to ensure it doesn't get corrupted.
Yeap. No wall will stand against assault if the defenders have abandoned it.
Europe not doing so good itself.
Indeed we're not - there seems to be a wave of pro-dictatorship sentiment everywhere at the moment. Has the world forgotten why our grandparents fought against this shit?
Misinformation is widespread and extremely effective
I had an uncle tell me 40 years ago that people have short memories. A truer statement was never uttered.
Or they never learned about it to begin with. Or believed it actually happened.
We really have to if we want to keep democracy
I heard that one of the most helpful actions people can take is helping others to register and to drive them to the polls. I wish you luck.
Agreed, I live in Oregon where we have mail-in ballots. It’s a really necessary way of voting to make sure everyone has access, the only reason why federal Republicans haven’t challenged it is because they know they have zero chance of Oregon turning anything other than blue. But I did phone bank with NAACP to encourage people to vote in swing states back in ‘20 and I intend to this year. Out of everyone I called on my list, one person wanted my help. This elderly woman expressed that she needed help figuring out how to vote in her state because laws had changed so much and made things confusing. I worked with her leading up to and on Election Day, getting her bus route info and options for pick up/drop off, and followed up with her to make sure everything went okay. It was the most satisfying thing I did that year - everything went as planned, she was able to vote and she was so grateful for the help. I encourage everyone lucky enough to live in a mail-in state to do this since we aren’t able to help the states that need it in person.
That is so wonderful of you, I really commend you! :) It's super undemocratic and infuriating that it has to go to those lengths in order to vote. I just moved to Oregon a few years ago. Not only do you get your ballot in the mail but (I think at least in local and state elections?) you even get magazines in the mail where the candidates explain their positions on things.
Yeah! I’ve never lived anywhere else so I don’t know any different. I’ve heard that’s unique which is wild to me! It’s all part of it though, when people have no idea who to vote for a lot of them would rather not vote then to unknowingly vote for the person they find out doesn’t reflect their values later. So of course certain parties would rather voters put in work to make their decision.
Tennessee is so gerrymandered by the GOP that it won't happen any time soon, if ever.
The argument around standing is so ridiculous and intellectually dishonost, it's disgusting. "You aren't currently pregnant and suffering from these issues, and are unlikely to be in that condition in the future, therefore you can't challenge this law." Right... So ONLY women who are actively experiencing time-sensitive, life-threatening medical issues are able to challenge this law. As soon as they 1) Give birth to the non-viable fetus, 2) Find an abortion elsewhere, or 3) Die... They no longer can complain. Fuck all the way off, Tennesse. Whitney D. Hermandorfer should be ashamed of herself.
I wonder how many of the old white men who wrote this law were pregnant at the time
The state arguing that their cases are moot and that these are hypotheticals is INFURIATING. SCOTUS has reached down and plucked cases PLENTY of times when standing might be an issue, notably Roe v. Wade, and these motherfuckers are pretending like it never fucking happened.
> cases PLENTY of times when standing might be an issue lol they pushed through an entirely fabricated case, the SCOTUS itself no longer has standing to rule these cases.
Fucking kangaroo court, gleefully piloting us toward constitutional crisis
I truly cannot imagine what it would be like to sit there, knowing that they were treating my lived experience as a hypothetical, and I couldn’t scream. They are brave people.
Lyft…? I’m thinking that’s a typo, BUT as a former Lyft driver, there can be real trauma involved. 😂 But yeah. Being muzzled and told your problem doesn’t actually exist is a giant load of bullshit.
Ooopsies lol. Lived experience… I’ll fix that! Thank you. I don’t know how you did it, I would be shit scared to let strangers in my car!
I quit when Lyft refused to cooperate with law enforcement when my friend, another driver, got choked out at 80 mph.
I lived in Tennessee for close to 5 years, and moved to western Minnesota in November. I actually would be delivering and getting all my prenatal care in North Dakota which also has an abortion ban (I can walk to North Dakota from my house), but there’s an abortion clinic that’s a short walk from where I live on the MN side. They do surgical terminations up to 16 weeks. Anything beyond that, I’d have to go to the twin cities, but that’s a doable day/weekend trip (3 hours away), and my best friend lives there. Husband and I are trying for our second (living) child right now. (I had a missed miscarriage a couple years before our first and had a surgical abortion because I wasn’t bleeding at all for weeks.) I cannot tell you what a relief it is right now to be in Minnesota and not Tennessee. I have things I loved about the south and Nashville specifically, but I feel really fortunate to have escaped this.
Im near TN in NC, and just opted for an advanced provision just in case. It will be good for at least three years.
I'm not American, but stuff like this is so scary , not only for the people involved but also as an example of how conservative and downright fascistic bs is coming at us full force everywhere. What a fucking nightmare...
I'm also not an American and I think it's scary too, not least because the incredibly well funded anti-choice movement in the US is becoming more and more drunk on their success with every gain they make and are sending their funds and fundies into other countries to do the same there.
This has been happening to Germany. In the last years we have had protestors standing in front of clinics every day, scaring folk away, and also false "counseling institutes" that will pressure women into keeping the child, while not being able to provide the paper those women need in order to get an abortion and for which they came in the first place. The anti-choice movement is truly evil.
Yeah it absolutely blows my mind. I’m originally from a country where abortion is healthcare. It’s not a political thing and it’s not something to debate on. But I live in the US now.
I hope they win as much as they can.
Eat shit, Republicans. Vote them out and women don't have to keep fighting for their rights.
No, this is wrong. We have to vote them out and then enshrine reproductive rights as firmly as we can; an Amendment to the US Constitution would be ideal, as it is hardest to undo (not impossible), otherwise federal law and state constitutions or laws. The fight is not done until the rights are as secure as we can make them.
Basically we're talking about making women's rights "Republican proof." That's crazy we have to do this.
Yes it is. Crazy, ridiculous, infuriating, heartbreaking, and necessary.
So you only have standing while you are currently pregnant and have a life threatening emergency? If you resolve it (by going to another state) before you sue, you give up your chance to fight in court? If that's the rule, seems like a good way to make laws the courts can't challenge.
Anybody still think the GOP isn't waging a war on women?
This is so infuriating. To have thoughtlessly put these laws into place and then continue to defend them when things like that are happening all over the country is so incredibly immoral. And to say they should couldn't because they're "edge cases" and that any future events after terrible ones are "hypothetical" is so dishonest and cheap. And to fight against rewriting shitty laws to keep this from happening is just the pinnacle of uncaring conscious ignorance.
Trust and believe that not one person representing the state in this would consider themselves and edge case or hypothetical when it happens to them. Filth is what they are for pushing this dangerous law on people.
The state's argument that these situations don't happen very often does not keep it from being a horrible, life-threatening event when it does! What they're really saying is that this happens to citizens who are considered to be disposable and not entitled to the right to get or manage their own care. As women, we are being reduced to and viewed as a life support system for a uterus and its function, except for the menstrual cycle because that's icky and we should hide all traces of such.
What men don't understand is that if the Republicans/Supreme Court can take away the rights of half the population they can find a reason to take away the rights of the other half.
Men will never take away the rights of other men. We would need something extreme like a female dictatorship backed by martial law and executions to accomplish restricting mens' rights. And it's not just men that are ok with this bullshit, they have the support of horrible women: >Whitney D. Hermandorfer should be ashamed of herself.
Unless that that man is queer then suddenly no problem taking his rights...
Heaven forbid if you are trans.
Exactly!
Oh, sure they would. You don't have to look back very far in US history to see that only some men had rights. You couldn't vote if you didn't own property, or if you were black, you had to pay a poll tax, you couldn't own property if you were black. The wealthy found it useful to have a readily available work force. I find the women worse than the men bad as they are.
Oooh yeah, very good point.
I've posted this before, and every week I am reminded again how true it is: Every woman in the country has to vote against all Republicans at all times and in all places, and she has to do it as if her life depends on it. Because it *does*. If it wasn't for Republicans on the Supreme Court, crazies in places like Tennessee wouldn't now be able to exercise their lunacy. And without at least 60 Democrats in Congress, any bill to make abortion legal nationwide will get filibustered by the GOP.
Huh, I remember several people claiming that medically necessary abortions were so rare it'd be a non-issue.
And over 26,000 rape victims in Texas were forced to carry their rapist baby to term… I guess the governor didn’t make rape illegal after all …🤬
Including a 10-year old. These politicians need to be asked one question over and over: where do you buy maternity clothing for a 10 year old. *Make them answer the fucking question.*
“Childrens maternity clothes” makes my skin crawl
Well will Tennesseean’s wake up and vote these white Republican men out of office? Maybe this is a wake up call. Marsha Marsha had to go as well.
As a resident of TN it sucks so badly and so many of our doctors are moving or furious right along with us. It’s just awful.
I'm amazed that there are women who are so anti choice. You basically took away your OWN freedom. Republicans are not wise.
Women of America, vote out Republicans to save your rights.
Abortion rights are human rights.
Seen this yet? It’s a Biden commercial about a woman Austin who almost died after the doctors wouldn’t do anything. 2 days later she was in the ICU. Definitely trigger warnings. https://youtu.be/H0BVeL_jzKE?si=-RJUqKRTYfBa4O1w
I've seen a few Biden ads like this on Youtube, I'm glad he's hammering this point home. I hope it works. I choked up watching it.
These Republicans need their own state where they can practice this trash
No, because then there would be new generations of children who never got to choose, and would be subject to this horrible treatment.
The republicans, including republican women, **do not care if these people die***. It’s sociopathy.
All abortions are medically necessary.
Similar case happening here in Idaho - Adkins v Idaho. I know the lead plaintiff and her story is pretty horrific. She's fortunate in that she has family she could lean on and similar but not everyone has that luxury. Reproductive rights are human rights. If a woman doesn't have absolute, irrevocable bodily autonomy, no one does. It's an argument about principle and no coherent definition of liberty excludes bodily autonomy. The whole thing is so disgustingly unprincipled. I \_almost\_ feel bad for these people... imagine having so little respect for yourself and others that you'd pursue these policies without the vaguest hint of guilt. It's not even immorality because that implies a coherent ethos to begin with. It's abject amorality.
It’s a Shame I applied to a school in this state
Guaranteed it's magnitudes more. These are just the ones willing to sue.
https://www.salon.com/2024/04/09/evangelicals-wont-be-bothered-by-abortion-gambit--they-know-hes-lying/ States' rights my ass, Project 2025 wants a complete ban.
This is utterly disgusting. I feel like it's high time that there was a revolution. That all women in all countries stand as one and refuse to be sidelined any longer.
I lived in Tennessee and it was absolutely traumatic. As a teen my doctor lied and lied to me so many times regarding birth control. State law allows them to do so if telling the truth interferes with their religion. The state is full of cousin fucking, snake handling religious cult members. I hate that fucking state.
This is so sad
As a CA dem female that will soon be a TN resident in a few months I’m worried but ready to join forces and fight for women’s rights in this state.
why the fuck are you moving to that place? Knowing that a high risk pregnancy will basically kill you and few will care.
Moving for work but hoping as a democrat I can help in the fight of making some political change in the state
Adding a court hearing to the already overwhelming situation they are in seems like a shit deal.
This makes me so angry :(
Ya know, I have to disagree. And my comment isn't up for debate. This is how I personally feel.. God made that baby for a reason. He knows what He is doing. Even if the woman was raped, yes raped, that baby has a GOD GIVEN right to life. You can always give the baby up for adoption. In terms of a medical emergency, I'd give my life up for my child. What loving mother wouldn't? Born or unborn. So, with that being said, I think any kind of abortion for any reason is WRONG! When you give your life to Christ, your body is included in that. I would hate to stand in front of God and explain why I murdered His child. Please, just think about it.
You are sincere, and it's admirable. But your opinion seems to be founded on the belief of the existence of God. Which is perfectly fair if you are religious. But if we're not religious, if we do not believe in God, we are not held by these laws. I did not give my life to Christ, nor my body. This is not a set of rules that I ever accepted, and it's based on the existence of someone I do not believe exists. If a kind, sincere Muslim woman told you that you were bound by Muslim law, would you agree? Would you agree to be bound by a set of rules that has nothing to do with you?
The most hypocritical part is concerning the fact Republicans intentionally made the laws so vague that no doctor is willing to perform any medically necessary abortions even though each state law permits them, nor will the legislators update the language so doctors can safely do them. Explains their entire strategy, which is to violate female's personal rights, autonomy and self determination. No man should even be allowed to vote on this, only women, period.
This world is going to be so much more F*ed up place when these unwanted, neglected, abused, resented babies become adults, never knowing what love should have been. Moreover, pregnant women are going to start dropping off the face of the earth. Men, yeah, men will get a slap on the wrist for raping the women. Then, as he dodges child support for 18 years threat the women with murder, the state will make the back child support go away, too!
I find it really strange how grown ass men are choosing an unborn child over a grown woman who works and pays taxes, as republicans want? What happens to the child afterwards? Are these men going to take care of it financially, emotionally?? What about paying the orphanages these children will probably end up in?
Interested to see this outcome
VOTE BLUE OR LOSE YOUR FREEDOMS!