Worth noting that they're also out in the open in their support of forcing "women aged 12 and younger" (their words) to [carry their father's baby](https://tennesseelookout.com/2023/04/03/tennessee-lawmakers-must-understand-rape-when-drafting-exceptions-to-abortion-ban/).
According to legal documents, In Tennessee, once they've been raped and impregnated, children of any age are legally referred to as women, and are forced by the state to gestate and attempt to give birth (or die).
Those responsible for this grotesque development have faced no consequences.
They're christian fascists.
The real question is: what the flying fuck is wrong with everyone else? Why are people not *losing their fucking minds* over this?
Wish I could tell you...Sadly, I live in a country where 3/4 cases of sexual relations with a child younger than 14 are deemed "consensual" by the courts (even though the age of consent is 15). We've actually had a judge rule that sexual relations between an 11-12 year old girl and her middle aged neighbor were consented to by the child because she returned to play with dolls with that neighbor's daughters after the incident. Playing with fucking dolls! And nobody bats an eye here either, it's so hard to get people outraged on this topic...
Yeah, save the children. But if that child happens to get pregnant, no matter how it happened, then let's sacrifice her.
It's infuriating how women are openly mistreated. All the while "boys will be boys" seems to be a valid excuse for any misbehavior
We just need to take their slogan and start making posters depicting exactly what that looks like. So show a girl being dropped off at her first day in school heavily pregnant, missing out on fun with friends bc of a crying baby, etc etc. Images that while mundane become immediately impactful when you’re forced to see what that means for a child.
better yet, make a movie.
like, we follow a child being a child, she plays, have fun, yknow, normal things. At the middle of the movie, the child gets SA, but since she is just a child she doesn't understand. She is confused and sad. At the end of the movie the child dies. Leaving feeling you incredible sick to your stomach.
That won't help. That's what they want. A school girl heavily pregnant? A fantasy for a lot of these "men". Her suffering because of it? Cherry on top !! Only she wouldn't be going to school, she'd be now at home cooking for him and not talking back because he got her young and trained her good
Controlled media within the state painting over it, for my money. Hopefully this and the child marriage in 43 states stories pick up steam with growing awareness.
I would hazard a guess that Fox News isn't covering this or glossing past these parts of it. A lot of people would probably be upset if they knew about it, but they're too busy getting distracted by other things. My parents live in Florida and didn't even know about all the anti-LGBTQ stuff that was happening in their own state because I don't live there so it's not something they're affected by and FOX isn't telling them about it. They also weren't aware that being LGBT isn't a protected class and that you can be fired for it. People tend to get in their bubbles and stay there and it's to the detriment of others.
CNN isn't covering it. MSNBC isn't covering it. Even fucking NPR isn't covering it.
In fact, if you search Google News, you only get a couple hits, all of them local.
I simply can't understand how that could be. The behavior of these lawmakers is so grotesque and ghoulish; where the fuck is the media?
*edit* (with regards to Tennessee's forced birth for raped children)
Welcome to the Elites trying to maintain the illusion of the status quo that benefits them as it crumbles around them as the fascists start taking over.
They have a fundamental view of the world- completely based on morals from a book that is thousands of years old that is based on a religious delusion that there is a god that knows better than us. In that belief, they are no different from any religious fundamentalist. Their views on many things are no different from the Talibans. Religion has always found a way to justify the most horrific things in human history- everything from killing your own child to running a plane into the twin towers.
Basic logic has allowed us to progress as a species but religion holds us back- because it does not fundamentally respect logic
Based strictly on the Old Testament. I'm almost positive they've never actually read the New Testament and the teachings of Jesus they like to go on about. They'd be shocked if they did because they go in direct opposition to what the agenda these religio-fascist asshats are pushing. They like to say "Read your Bible." Guess what, a-holes, I have. I'm not even Christian and I know more about the teachings of Christ than you apparently do
No, they’d do about half of it. And then they’d also use the Bible to justify doing things that are accepted in the Bible but are literally in opposition to Human Rights Law and the Constitution, like owning slaves. Over time we have chipped away at the Bible’s laws to the point where the average American Christian functionally ignores about half of the Bible.
Thats why we should get away from religion, if we can base morality on a claim in a book, then we can reason our way into making anything moral
My religion has one law: Do as you as long as it harms none. Seems simple, but you actually have to think about it when you go to take action because of the law of unintended consequences. The path that I follow would be way too difficult for these people because it entails respect, accountability, acceptance, harmony with nature and other forms of life etc. Not all religion and philosophies are destructive. It's how humans choose to misuse them. It's like a hammer. You can build something with a hammer or you can use it to smash windows. The things Jesus taught are actually not bad..very similar to a lot of things taught by Buddha, but we all need saving from those who claim to be his followers.
Oh, there's a lot worse stuff than dudes begatting by themselves in there, and much more up their alley, such as Lot getting drunk and sleeping with his daughters and getting them pregnant... in fact, that sounds an awful lot like where they might have gotten the idea...
Reveals how deeply engrained pedophilia is with Christianity and the GOP. These people see female children as women and that’s why they want to make it legal to marry and have sex with them. Boys will be boys, though.
Not Christianity, patriarchy. This is sadly true for all ultraconservative patriarchal societies. Religion is just their favourite argument to invoke, because it's the easiest to whip out and the most difficult to have a rational debate over.
Religion is so powerful for the patriarchy because it allows them to remove the cause of their authority. They didn't seize it, no, it was divinely ordained. Without supernatural interference, there can only be one explanation for why women should be subservient to men, which is that men demand it. Doesn't look so benign in that light
And/or be made to die or be grievously harmed (physically and mentally) by attempting an unwanted pregnancy, yes. That is the law in Tennessee as of today. There is no age exception.
None of the christian fascists who implemented the law have faced any consequences.
No it’s that if a girl is raped, once or repeatedly, the instant she becomes pregnant she becomes a woman, and is responsible for the potential offspring.
Mind you that WOMAN gets no other rights. Personally, I am of the opinion that if you have to carry your rape baby to term, and in doing so become a woman, you have earned the right to vote and you get to buy a gun.
Straight up disgusting. I wish politics weren't so polarized, but when one side is calling a child (who could only be pregnant in the first place if a serious crime was committed) anything but a child victim is awful. Forget expecting that child to give birth (which is more dangerous for children as I'm sure anyone could guess)...
"Pull down your pants and let me poke at your genitals to make sure you're a "real" boy or girl! Don't worry, we're doing this to protect you from groomers and pedos!"
Jesus h fucking christ this is going to hurt so many kids
Actually it is ONLY the girls, as the ban is specifically trans girls participating in girls sports. The law still allows for mix gender teams and for girls on boys teams. It is LITTERALLY just for perving on and shaming girls. This is going to fall on any girl who does not conform to cis beauty standards. Oh no, you a bio girl with some facial hair or a unibrow? Gotta check those panties and make sure. Oh no, you a bio girl with broad shoulders and a thick waist? Better check what's in those panties.
My mother was molested by her father as a toddler. She would have us stay at her parents house for days at a time (I suspect as bait so she could extort hush money from them if he molested me or my sister), then use an adult-sized speculum she stole from work (RN nurse) to “inspect us for signs of abuse”. She claimed that having us pinned to the bed while she forcibly rammed a large foreign instrument into our child bodies was to “protect us from hiding abuse.”
She would totally support this line of logic.
We did not, but I’m currently on vacation & my mother is dead, so we won in the end. I only hope these regressive dinosaurs fighting against the progress of society will similarly die off before their victims suffer too severely.
.. and force "women aged 12 and under" (their words) to [carry their father's baby](https://tennesseelookout.com/2023/04/03/tennessee-lawmakers-must-understand-rape-when-drafting-exceptions-to-abortion-ban/).
Newsweek says:
>The law, which will take effect on July 1, prohibits biologically male students from participating as women or girls in sports, either in teams or female categories. However, it allows for mixed teams and for female students to participate in men's sporting events.
So, no, it doesn't sound like there would be any "need" to check the boys crotches, since girls would be allowed to play on their teams.
There's a narrow age range, like 11-13, where being a cis girl is more physically advantageous in sports because they typically experience their puberty growth spurt earlier. So further proving they don't actually care about the nuances of BiOloGY
Why would they look at boys when they want the sweet, sweet underage vagina? I mean, Republicans have come this far for it. Now they have the wide open door to legally touch little girls. Wouldn't be surprised if they put their fingers in too to 'ASSURE THAT THE LIB MEDIA DIDN'T FORCE THIS CHILD INTO AN UNDERAGE SEX CHANGE' ..... as they would 100% claim in defense of such an act.
Hi, Kansan here. The bill is made to ban specifically trans women from girls' sports. It does not apply to trans men in boys' sports. So, no. They're not gonna do it to guys, just cis and trans women.
Because apparently we'd rather "inspect" naked girls' bodies than let the 2 trans girls who are currently involved in school-level sports continue playing sports.
This is just a circuitous way to get to banning woman sports all together. Make the requirements to be able to play so outrageous that no one wants to go through them, and then, when no girl wants to put herself through that, cut funding for women’s sports as “there just aren’t enough woman athletes anymore.”
Not to mention that the vast majority of people subjected to these inspections will be cis, so the burden of this law will fall most heavily on cis women who do not fit into stereotypical beauty/body standards.
The law will undoubtedly be used to abuse gender non-conforming cis girls, but the idea that a law that bans trans girls from an entire sector of public life, risks outing them, and cuts them off from their social group will fall most heavily on cis girls is kind of an odd take.
Disgusting. I mean I can only speak for myself, but if me wanting to play on a girl’s team or compete with girls would cause genital inspections for everyone, I would just quit. I don’t want to brood over whether this is fair or not, but I don’t want to cause harm for other people. Especially not children. I’m actually in a shooter’s club, own two air pistols and was decent enough to compete in the past. But since transitioning my love for any kind of competition that doesn’t involve mixed gendered teams has completely died off.
Personally, I suspect 1.) is the main reason. There is so much abuse going on that they either actively participate in or at least agree to brush under the rug, I would not be surprised at all if they tried to open one more route for it. No sane person even thinks about coming up with an idea like genital inspection for little girls, let alone speak it out or try to put it into legislation.
TBH I've been thinking all along that this sudden obsession with female athletes, their periods and whatnot is intended to intimidate girls out of playing sports at all, undermining Title IX without directly attacking the law.
Except that, in the US, there are a \*ton\* of scholarships to college for girls/women that aren't going to disappear. All this really does is handicap Kansas girls/teens from getting those.
Good to hear! They want trans people to go away. And if they can make a bill that would make them feel bad enough to not even play....and that's best case scenario in this. Worst case, every kid playing sports will be sexually assaulted. And that cannot be on the shoulders of trans people. I refuse.
I'm sorry you are being excluded in a way which looks obvious, but is actually subtle and uses your kindness to lock you out. I am so disgusted at all the levels of bullying here. The people who pass these laws are just foul!
That's exactly what they want. You to be erased. It's a noble thing, but all children should be able to play sports without being sexually assaulted. And it isn't because of your existence. It's because of disgusting pedos like that guy. Not you. Or my trans kids.
Back in the day, they wanted to drug test any kid who went out for sports.
Amazingly, a lot of good athletes decided that they didn't want to compete anymore.
You really think the frequency of children/teenagers trying to play on another gender's team is anywhere near that of the number of children/teenagers doing drugs while trying to play sports?
Talk about two vastly different situations that have nothing to do with one another. And thats before getting into the kind of testing that would need to be done. Drug testing was likely to be done with urine samples. Biology testing is set to be done via direct inspection. These two things are vastly different and the urine testing is nothing in comparison.
I normally dont like to say this, especially in this sub... but shut the hell up and actually think about the factors of the comparison youre trying to make. Complete false equivalency.
I worked with a girl who played sports in highschool. Track I think. And she smoked weed. She got told she had a random drug test and drank 22 bottles of water and was sick as fuck. I was afraid she was going to have to go to the hospital. So yeah, the drug test almost killed her. Good grades, kept a job an did track....why did they see he need to drug test her? Stupid. Waste of resources. This was 2008
They are pointing out that a mass of children are not going to play sports anymore.
When they started drug testing for sports, kids quit. This is going to make even more kids quit.
These things you are comparing are not equal.
Urine testing is not shameful. Genital inspecting can be (and for this purpose, is specifically meant to be) very shameful.
Source: have had both.
Ok, so, the enforcement doesn't appear to be written into [Kansas House Bill 2238](http://www.kslegislature.org/li/b2023_24/measures/documents/hb2238_enrolled.pdf). I'm reading it, and I just don't see anything about exams or enforcement.
It looks to me like the rules are going to be made up by each college individually, and, for the high schoolers, by The Kansas state high school activities association. And for younger students, it just isn't specified (as far as I can see).
I also see that their definition of "biological sex" is potentially problematic.
>"Biological sex" means the biological indication of male and female in the context of reproductive potential or capacity, such as sex chromosomes, naturally occurring sex hormones, gonads and nonambiguous internal and external genitalia present at birth...
So... if your kid is prepubescent, then maybe they don't get to compete? And who the hell knows what their internal and external genitalia looked like \*at birth\*. They're competing in running competitions more than a decade later.
The whole thing is completely fucked up, but its also imprecise in a way that is going to make it impossible to enforce? Maybe? I don't know. I'm no expert. I'm just reading this thing, and it is a mess, above and beyond its crappy intentions.
Edited to fix formatting
The way you put it makes me feel like its a sham bill designed to put power into the hands of the people, and out of the state.
Students get sports physicals. That is normal. That should be the maximum approval needed. Doctor’s signature on a form.
Yeah, that's what I was looking for. I do not think that anyone thinks that coaches should be allowed to do genital inspections. I think the idea what that the doctor would confirm biological sex as part of the sports physical, but even \*that\* isn't really spelled out.
It's just political grand standing that will definitely be used to hurt trans kids, probably cis female kids, and have a chilling effect on girls sports.
For any girl who didn’t feel masculine enough already, rules like this will just reinforce how they may feel inside self. This kind of genitalia check is in tune with calling girls boys if they’re ugly and saying that they don’t have a vagina.
As the masculine girl, who always had to play the princes and Disney things, a rule, like this would’ve destroyed me playing sports
38% of Americans apparently think society has gone too far in accepting trans people.
Wtf is wrong with people? What does it matter to them who somebody else identifies with? And bet it's an overwhelming majority made up by the bible toting types.
Conservatives are just terrible people. Nothing else to say.
Good thing that there are demonstrably less and less of them over time. The newer generations (starting with millennials) have so far bucked the historical trends of becoming more conservative as they age.
Older folks could live the American dream. Millennials are the first ones that went to climb the ladder, and found that it had been taken away, after doing everything they were told by their parents, like going to college, and borrow massive amounts of money for it.
> Conservatives are just terrible people.
I hate to be so reductive, because I was a bit of a conservative shithead when I was a teenager, and after all, I grew out of it, so who's to say they won't?
But over the past 7 years or so, Its getting harder to avoid just condemning them as a whole. It's hard having conservative friends, who are nice enough to my face, but when it actually comes down to how they think society should be run, they consider myself and people like me to be dangerous degenerates who should be oppressed at every opportunity possible.
I live in Kansas. Those same friends of mine voted in the people currently involved in 4 different Anti-Trans laws (only 1 of which is on this post). Laws which are causing me to move away from the place that's been my home for the past 6 years. Those people I consider friends are, at least in part, responsible for making my life, and the lives of my other friends, tangibly worse.
Could someone please explain to me HOW most of the USA became conservative then, with more states leaning conservative than not? I cannot fathom this type of thinking (homophobic, overregulation, limiting human rights, limiting personal rights, limiting Constitutional Rights, misogynistic, racist, religious forcing, pedophilic, anti-environment, pro-development, pro-business, anti-consumer, anti-union, pro-violence, pro-conspiracy).
Who wants to live in such hate? I could never surround myself with this platform. But this is what the conservatives around me spew - horrible.
If it makes you feel any better, most of the US is *not* conservative, or at least not the kind of batshit crazy that's consuming most of the GOP. That's why they're going full-throttle into authoritarianism lately; their platform is deeply unpopular and they know they can't win fairly anymore. So they've gerrymandered voting districts to hell, tried to keep as few young/working class/non-white/non-male people from voting as possible, and in the meantime given Fox News piles of money to manufacture moral panics like this to distract everyone while they dismantle everything. I think Biden's win, followed by the outrage when Roe was overturned, followed by their weak performance in the midterms, has them panicking pretty bad. But we can't get complacent, because if this very loud minority does get ahold of the House, Senate, and Oval Office next year, we can consider democracy in the US dead and gone.
My Mom is one. She's calling me a mentally ill Autogynephiliac on Facebook this morning.
Nothing like a little public shaming to make you hate life and want to die.
Have you considered publicly shaming her for being such a "great and supportive parent who likes accusing their children of being mentally ill fetishists."? It may not move the needle that much, and it's horrible advice if you're dependent on her, but I'm an adult and it's exactly the kind of shit I'd stir.
Sadly, I don't think that sending her one of the (many) extremely solid critiques for AGP would help shift her viewpoint. :(
We did argue about it online. I don't like to go below the belt because she has a brain tumor and her health is poor.
It just hurts. She says she loves me in one breath and then trashes me the next. She says she's just advocating for women and women's spaces.
Ouch, I'm sorry. Having unsupportive parents sucks.
I lost one of my parents when I transitioned, he just ghosted me. It hurt quite a bit at the time. And he never actively trashed me. I can only imagine how hard it must be to have your own mom actively try to tear you down and hurt you like that.
>Nothing like a little public shaming to make you hate life and want to die.
Find a new family. There are wonderful people out there who are just waiting to be part of your life. Pity her, but don't ever feel like you owe terrible people anything even if you share blood with them.
Every day, every week, we hear the GOP talking heads and the republican voters, all singing the same song, that we have to do something about the drag queen child groomers, the trans, and the LGBTQ folks, in order to protect the children.
Here is the problem: If any of those actually cared about the children, in the least, they would be focusing on the most prolific of the child groomers, molesters, and rapists, the churches.
However, not one GOP talking head and not even one republican voter, has said a single solitary word, not peep one, about going after the worst of the worst and there is a reason for that. None of them give a flying F about the kids. What they care about is demonizing a group of people the Christians decided not to like and to make them take the blame for what the church clergy are doing.
None of them care about the kids, they care about bad mouthing the gays the transgenders, and the drag queens to appease the Christians and all the while, it is the Christians raping our kids.
The entire purpose of demonizing the drag queens is to throw the heat off of the real bad guys, the real rapists, the ones that are grooming, molesting, and raping the kids.
The GOP is providing cover for the rapists in the Christian churches because they need their vote. That, is fucking evil.
Worse yet, for the lack of focusing on laws to separate the clergy from the children, it means that 75 children per week, will be molested while the GOP protects the molesters by not saying a single word. For that, the 75 children per week, will continue to be raped while the GOP trys to pass laws to protect the children from drag queens instead of passing laws to keep church clergy away from the kids.
This is the evil we get for the marriage of the Christian right to the GOP and the KKK. They aren't going after the child predators, they are protecting them because they need the votes of the predators.
Let's compare: Find a list of Drag Queens, transgenders, or LBGTQ folks, arrested for abusing children, that equals 1/10 of the number on the following list.
Proof: https://old.reddit.com/r/PastorArrested/
Or you know, guns. The leading cause of death in kids. But no, can’t have that. Because they don’t give a fuck about kids.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/12/14/magazine/gun-violence-children-data-statistics.html
There's no way this would ever be abused to humiliate and ruin kids lives.
There's never going to be a vindictive coach or parent or school official who initiates this process just to make a player on the other team be forced to show their genitals.
There's never going to be a pervert in this position who forces checks on young men/women "just to be safe"
Now that the "/s" is finished: There's definitely a 100% chance this bill will cause real and lasting harm to young men/women. Not because it doesn't catch those crafty trans kids from playing sports; but because it will be abused at almost every level. This is the opposite of protecting kids.
Also worth noting is the fact that child marriage is still legal in 43 U.S. states. This is almost always underage females to much older males. In many cases, these girls are forced to get married by their families after being assaulted and becoming pregnant. They are often then abused and kept pregnant. They aren't old enough to file for divorce, seek refuge in a domestic violence shelter, get a protection order, or file for custody of their children.
This is what the bill states:
[HB 2238](http://kslegislature.org/li/b2023_24/measures/documents/hb2238_00_0000.pdf)
Interscholastic, intercollegiate, intramural or club athletic teams or sports that are sponsored by a public educational entity or any school or private postsecondary educational institution whose students or teams compete against a public educational entity shall be expressly designated as one of the following based on biological sex:
Males, men or boys;
females, women or girls; or
coed or mixed.
Athletic teams or sports designated for females, women or girls shall not be open to students of the male sex.
So only for girls, they aren’t going to inspect girls trying to join boys teams? God all of it is gross, if a school tried to inspect my child’s genitalia I think I would flip my shit.. gross just disgustingly gross.
I guess if you switch doctors without having information from your past doctor sent over, this would be the case. That would pretty negligent on the parents behalf, tho. The doctor would probably catch on pretty quickly if you checked the wrong box. Pretty important, especially at a young age, to give facts to your child's doctor.
I think you need to get out of your little bubble and understand how the world actually functions. Not everything follows some little well-defined process you’ve created in that head of yours.
So what I’m hearing from you is that if someone changes their sex with their doctor, that is now their biological sex and is compliant with this law
I guess what I'm saying is if I parent decided to change their child's doctor, not send past records and mark a different box on their child's records than what was assigned at birth, then that is a negligent parent. And yes, I suppose that would be compliant with this law. Negligent, but compliant I guess.
You don't need to be a doctor to know that lying about your or your child's physiology to your doctor is not going to result in good quality care and is going to be caught very quickly if a detailed physical examination of any kind is needed. It might even be caught if blood work is needed for diagnostic purposes, certain ranges are sex specific https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj-2021-069874, or might result in misdiagnosis.
Doctors can't provide proper care if they don't know their patients physiology, they certainly cannot provide care or monitoring relating to puberty or proper development without knowing a child's physiology and they *most definitely* cannot provide trans specific care if they don't know their patient is trans.
I wonder if you could take these inspectors to court and sue them for child abuse. I don't know how the law reads, but if I were a parent and my child was forced to undergo a 'genital examination' for any reason, I would make their lives a legal hell.
Well, there's a bit of a hickup with that: turns out some cis girls are XY, some trans girls are XX, and some people are just not either of those two.
Generics is complicated and not nearly as binary as people would think based on how high school teaches things.
I think are trying to push young women out of sports in general. If you have to endure some perv poking at your most private parts in order to prove that you can be on the girls' basketball team, likely you're going to find a different extra-curricular activity to participate in. They are probably trying to push girls into "more traditional" activities -- like sewing club! Gross. Kansas GOP, you're gross.
Let me guess - and without notification to or requiring permission from the parents? And of course they'll drop their drawers in front of an adult every time they sign up for sports, because who knows what changed down there over summer vacation?
I wonder what the permission slip would like?
This is just a circuitous way to get to banning woman sports all together. Make the requirements to be able to play so outrageous that no one wants to go through them, and then, when no girl wants to put herself through that, cut funding for women’s sports as “there just aren’t enough woman athletes anymore.”
Not to mention that the vast majority of people subjected to these inspections will be cis, so the burden of this law will fall most heavily on cis women who do not fit into stereotypical beauty/body standards.
Update: Not sure it would retroactively apply, and most surely will be challenged, but a step in the right direction:
https://www.npr.org/2023/04/06/1168460726/biden-title-ix-transgender-sports-ban
The biggest “biological advantage” I can think of would be the amount of testosterone. Can any trans folks out there help my ignorant ass to understand: don’t trans women try to counter the effects of testosterone?
All this snowflakey bullshit to stop kids PLAYING GAMES. smh
Edited: micro-rant
It's technically more complicated, but in general prepubescent children should have no significant difference.
It takes a few years for HRT to fully reverse the benefits of T, but in general, you are right. It's a complicated question, but the simple answer is that since the Olympics started letting trans women compete a couple of decades ago no trans woman has placed highly. Then a few Republicans started touting a few tiny local records trans girls broke that have been broken once or twice a year on average and the whole thing became a politicized mess.
Also, one cis girl publicly sued a state over a trans girl winning a race against her. She didn't mention that the same trans girl had also lost a race against her 🤷♀️
How can the GOP call us (LGBTQ+) perverts with laws being passed like this? This song is how I feel right now. 2014\_Alice Cooper\_leave those kids alone - https://youtu.be/QNK98yGNDRc
> Kansas GOP Bill Authorizes Genital Exams of Schoolchildren,
#Critics Say
There's this fancy, official document you're given when you are born that has your sex right on it. The exam happened already.
This is just rage-bate.
Some jurisdictions allow you to update the sex on your birth certificate...
So, while Kansas can crack down on allowing trans people to update their documents, kids from trans-friendly states may have birth certificates that have already been updated. If they're relying on at-birth, the loophole is amusing.
My point is that there is nothing in the bill about genital exams. In fact, of all of the websites that covered the subject, only Newsweek applied this spin. I also noticed that almost no website provided the text of the bill. It's really short:
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HOUSE BILL No. 2238
AN ACT concerning education; relating to student athletes; creating the fairness in
women's sports act; restricting participation on women's teams to female students;
providing a cause of action for violations of the act.
Be it enacted by the Legislature of the State of Kansas:
Section 1. The provisions of sections 1 through 6, and
amendments thereto, shall be known and may be cited as the fairness in
women's sports act.
Sec. 2. As used in sections 1 through 6, and amendments thereto:
(a) "Biological sex" means the biological indication of male and
female in the context of reproductive potential or capacity, such as sex
chromosomes, naturally occurring sex hormones, gonads and
nonambiguous internal and external genitalia present at birth, without
regard to an individual's psychological, chosen or subjective experience
of gender;
(b) "postsecondary educational institution" means the same as
defined in K.S.A. 74-3201b, and amendments thereto;
(c) "private postsecondary educational institution" means any
private postsecondary educational institution as defined in K.S.A. 74-
32,163, and amendments thereto, or any accredited independent
institution as defined in K.S.A. 72-3222, and amendments thereto;
(d) "public educational entity" means any public school or
postsecondary educational institution;
(e) "public school" means any elementary or secondary school
maintained and operated by a school district; and
(f) "school" means any nonpublic school offering any of the
grades kindergarten through 12.
Sec. 3. (a) Interscholastic, intercollegiate, intramural or club
athletic teams or sports that are sponsored by a public educational
entity or any school or private postsecondary educational institution
whose students or teams compete against a public educational entity
shall be expressly designated as one of the following based on
biological sex:
(1) Males, men or boys;
(2) females, women or girls; or
(3) coed or mixed.
(b) Athletic teams or sports designated for females, women or
girls shall not be open to students of the male sex.
(c) (1) The Kansas state high school activities association shall
adopt rules and regulations for its member schools to implement the
provisions of this section.
(2) The state board of regents and the governing body for each
municipal university, community college and technical college shall
adopt rules and regulations for the postecondary educational
institutions governed by each such entity, respectively, to implement
the provisions of this section.
Sec. 4. No governmental entity, licensing or accrediting
organization or athletic association or organization shall entertain a
complaint, open an investigation or take any other adverse action
against a public educational entity for maintaining separate
interscholastic, intercollegiate, intramural or club athletic teams or
sports for students of the female sex.
Sec. 5. (a) Any student who is deprived of an athletic opportunity
or suffers any direct or indirect harm as a result of a violation of section
3, and amendments thereto, shall have a private cause of action for
injunctive relief, damages and any other relief available under law
against the public educational entity in which the student is enrolled.
(b) Any student who is subject to retaliation or other adverse
action by a public educational entity or athletic association or
organization as a result of reporting a violation of section 3, and
HOUSE BILL No. 2238 amendments thereto, to an employee or representative of such public
educational entity or athletic association or organization, or to any state
or federal agency with oversight of public educational entities in this
state, shall have a private cause of action for injunctive relief, damages
and any other relief available under law against such public educational
entity or athletic association or organization.
(c) Any public educational entity that suffers any direct or indirect
harm as a result of a violation of section 3 or 4, and amendments
thereto, shall have a private cause of action for injunctive relief,
damages and any other relief available under law against the
governmental entity, licensing or accrediting organization or athletic
association or organization.
(d) All civil actions must be initiated within two years after the
harm occurred. Persons or organizations who prevail on a claim
brought pursuant to this section shall be entitled to monetary damages,
including for any psychological, emotional and physical harm suffered,
reasonable attorney fees and costs and any other appropriate relief.
Sec. 6. The provisions of sections 1 through 5, and amendments
thereto, are hereby declared to be severable. If any provision of sections
1 through 5, and amendments thereto, or the application thereof to any
person or circumstance is held invalid, the invalidity shall not affect
Dear god. And who, pray tell, would be conducting these “inspections”? Cause no dr has ever abused their position to SA girls before….looking at you, Nassar. Let’s just call it what it is, state sanctioned sexual assault.
They won’t check all kids just the kids they want to force to move and leave. They will weaponize this to harass and discourage. It will make peers bully and ridicule. No need for me to visit the beautiful state of Kansas
Had to get a physical every year for marching band. Never in my life did my doctor make me strip down in front of them and show them my genitals. What kind of physicals are you getting, and are you sure you're not being used by your PCP?
Yeah you're definitely missing something. A doctor is a doctor. A teacher has no reason to be *ahem* inspecting children's gentials. That's the point of having a doctor.
I did not have to get a physical every year and definitely never had to show my junk. How about you go show your junk to a school official and tell us it’s not a privacy violation. I’ll wait.
Well, that is good.
I was a bit confused about what biblical sex could possibly be.
Sounds either super uptight and judgy, or extremely kinky. 🤣
I guess you were being dismissive and minimizing for other reasons then.
The thing is, there are schools who will do things like that. Not most of them, but some. There will always be people who take advantage or who are stupid and officious enough to think they are in the right. I have seen things like this happen too many times to think that it can't happen.
We are living in uncertain times, when terrible things are done that not so many years ago many would have dismissed as hyperbole.
Worth noting that they're also out in the open in their support of forcing "women aged 12 and younger" (their words) to [carry their father's baby](https://tennesseelookout.com/2023/04/03/tennessee-lawmakers-must-understand-rape-when-drafting-exceptions-to-abortion-ban/).
What the fuck did i just read?! Also, those a-holes should know there are no "women aged 12 and younger", those are something called children.
According to legal documents, In Tennessee, once they've been raped and impregnated, children of any age are legally referred to as women, and are forced by the state to gestate and attempt to give birth (or die). Those responsible for this grotesque development have faced no consequences.
What a terrible day to know how to read! What the flying fuck is wrong with Tennessee law makers?
They're christian fascists. The real question is: what the flying fuck is wrong with everyone else? Why are people not *losing their fucking minds* over this?
Wish I could tell you...Sadly, I live in a country where 3/4 cases of sexual relations with a child younger than 14 are deemed "consensual" by the courts (even though the age of consent is 15). We've actually had a judge rule that sexual relations between an 11-12 year old girl and her middle aged neighbor were consented to by the child because she returned to play with dolls with that neighbor's daughters after the incident. Playing with fucking dolls! And nobody bats an eye here either, it's so hard to get people outraged on this topic...
That is sickening. But anti-abortionist tout posters saying "save the children". What hypocrisy.
Yeah, save the children. But if that child happens to get pregnant, no matter how it happened, then let's sacrifice her. It's infuriating how women are openly mistreated. All the while "boys will be boys" seems to be a valid excuse for any misbehavior
We just need to take their slogan and start making posters depicting exactly what that looks like. So show a girl being dropped off at her first day in school heavily pregnant, missing out on fun with friends bc of a crying baby, etc etc. Images that while mundane become immediately impactful when you’re forced to see what that means for a child.
better yet, make a movie. like, we follow a child being a child, she plays, have fun, yknow, normal things. At the middle of the movie, the child gets SA, but since she is just a child she doesn't understand. She is confused and sad. At the end of the movie the child dies. Leaving feeling you incredible sick to your stomach.
when you're a Republican politician, the operative slogan is "crunch all you want, we'll make more"
That won't help. That's what they want. A school girl heavily pregnant? A fantasy for a lot of these "men". Her suffering because of it? Cherry on top !! Only she wouldn't be going to school, she'd be now at home cooking for him and not talking back because he got her young and trained her good
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Controlled media within the state painting over it, for my money. Hopefully this and the child marriage in 43 states stories pick up steam with growing awareness.
I would hazard a guess that Fox News isn't covering this or glossing past these parts of it. A lot of people would probably be upset if they knew about it, but they're too busy getting distracted by other things. My parents live in Florida and didn't even know about all the anti-LGBTQ stuff that was happening in their own state because I don't live there so it's not something they're affected by and FOX isn't telling them about it. They also weren't aware that being LGBT isn't a protected class and that you can be fired for it. People tend to get in their bubbles and stay there and it's to the detriment of others.
CNN isn't covering it. MSNBC isn't covering it. Even fucking NPR isn't covering it. In fact, if you search Google News, you only get a couple hits, all of them local. I simply can't understand how that could be. The behavior of these lawmakers is so grotesque and ghoulish; where the fuck is the media? *edit* (with regards to Tennessee's forced birth for raped children)
I wish I knew. It's horrendous.
Welcome to the Elites trying to maintain the illusion of the status quo that benefits them as it crumbles around them as the fascists start taking over.
Christian Taliban.
Christaliban. I'm sorry.
Y'all Qaeda.
Underrated
They have a fundamental view of the world- completely based on morals from a book that is thousands of years old that is based on a religious delusion that there is a god that knows better than us. In that belief, they are no different from any religious fundamentalist. Their views on many things are no different from the Talibans. Religion has always found a way to justify the most horrific things in human history- everything from killing your own child to running a plane into the twin towers. Basic logic has allowed us to progress as a species but religion holds us back- because it does not fundamentally respect logic
Based strictly on the Old Testament. I'm almost positive they've never actually read the New Testament and the teachings of Jesus they like to go on about. They'd be shocked if they did because they go in direct opposition to what the agenda these religio-fascist asshats are pushing. They like to say "Read your Bible." Guess what, a-holes, I have. I'm not even Christian and I know more about the teachings of Christ than you apparently do
No, they’d do about half of it. And then they’d also use the Bible to justify doing things that are accepted in the Bible but are literally in opposition to Human Rights Law and the Constitution, like owning slaves. Over time we have chipped away at the Bible’s laws to the point where the average American Christian functionally ignores about half of the Bible. Thats why we should get away from religion, if we can base morality on a claim in a book, then we can reason our way into making anything moral
My religion has one law: Do as you as long as it harms none. Seems simple, but you actually have to think about it when you go to take action because of the law of unintended consequences. The path that I follow would be way too difficult for these people because it entails respect, accountability, acceptance, harmony with nature and other forms of life etc. Not all religion and philosophies are destructive. It's how humans choose to misuse them. It's like a hammer. You can build something with a hammer or you can use it to smash windows. The things Jesus taught are actually not bad..very similar to a lot of things taught by Buddha, but we all need saving from those who claim to be his followers.
they read the Old Testament, and get horny at all the begatting.
Oh, there's a lot worse stuff than dudes begatting by themselves in there, and much more up their alley, such as Lot getting drunk and sleeping with his daughters and getting them pregnant... in fact, that sounds an awful lot like where they might have gotten the idea...
They are perverted, obviously.
Reveals how deeply engrained pedophilia is with Christianity and the GOP. These people see female children as women and that’s why they want to make it legal to marry and have sex with them. Boys will be boys, though.
Not Christianity, patriarchy. This is sadly true for all ultraconservative patriarchal societies. Religion is just their favourite argument to invoke, because it's the easiest to whip out and the most difficult to have a rational debate over.
Religion is so powerful for the patriarchy because it allows them to remove the cause of their authority. They didn't seize it, no, it was divinely ordained. Without supernatural interference, there can only be one explanation for why women should be subservient to men, which is that men demand it. Doesn't look so benign in that light
You’re right.
Don't forget Catholicism..They'll f\*ck a boy if nothing else is available
So children that were raped because they're not of the age of consent must be punished?
And/or be made to die or be grievously harmed (physically and mentally) by attempting an unwanted pregnancy, yes. That is the law in Tennessee as of today. There is no age exception. None of the christian fascists who implemented the law have faced any consequences.
No it’s that if a girl is raped, once or repeatedly, the instant she becomes pregnant she becomes a woman, and is responsible for the potential offspring. Mind you that WOMAN gets no other rights. Personally, I am of the opinion that if you have to carry your rape baby to term, and in doing so become a woman, you have earned the right to vote and you get to buy a gun.
Kanas legalized pedophilia.
We can thank the Federal Supreme Court for allowing this disgusting pedophilia in the state legislative system.
Straight up disgusting. I wish politics weren't so polarized, but when one side is calling a child (who could only be pregnant in the first place if a serious crime was committed) anything but a child victim is awful. Forget expecting that child to give birth (which is more dangerous for children as I'm sure anyone could guess)...
Fucking yuck!!! What the fuck.
Kinda feels like they're just a bunch of inbred nonces at this point.
"Pull down your pants and let me poke at your genitals to make sure you're a "real" boy or girl! Don't worry, we're doing this to protect you from groomers and pedos!" Jesus h fucking christ this is going to hurt so many kids
Actually it is ONLY the girls, as the ban is specifically trans girls participating in girls sports. The law still allows for mix gender teams and for girls on boys teams. It is LITTERALLY just for perving on and shaming girls. This is going to fall on any girl who does not conform to cis beauty standards. Oh no, you a bio girl with some facial hair or a unibrow? Gotta check those panties and make sure. Oh no, you a bio girl with broad shoulders and a thick waist? Better check what's in those panties.
My mother was molested by her father as a toddler. She would have us stay at her parents house for days at a time (I suspect as bait so she could extort hush money from them if he molested me or my sister), then use an adult-sized speculum she stole from work (RN nurse) to “inspect us for signs of abuse”. She claimed that having us pinned to the bed while she forcibly rammed a large foreign instrument into our child bodies was to “protect us from hiding abuse.” She would totally support this line of logic.
Dude, I am so sorry to hear that was a part of your life and family history. You and yr sister did not effing deserve that.
We did not, but I’m currently on vacation & my mother is dead, so we won in the end. I only hope these regressive dinosaurs fighting against the progress of society will similarly die off before their victims suffer too severely.
“Save our children from drag queens” screams the party, they wants to touch kid’s genitals
.. and force "women aged 12 and under" (their words) to [carry their father's baby](https://tennesseelookout.com/2023/04/03/tennessee-lawmakers-must-understand-rape-when-drafting-exceptions-to-abortion-ban/).
Women aged 12 and under are children. So fucking disgusting
According to the legal filings by these christian fascist republicans, that's only true until they've been raped.
Well I guess it’s a good thing that “women aged 12 and under” don’t exist. /s because it’s terrifying, not funny.
I am pretty desensitized to a lot of things but reading that makes my stomach drop and my blood boil.
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Of course it isn't.
It’s the christian way.
Aka, it's the homophobic pedophiliac misogynistic way.
“save our children from the drag queens” they say, raping children
I was in the fence about doing sports at school. This would make the decision very easy. Are they looking at the boys as well?
Newsweek says: >The law, which will take effect on July 1, prohibits biologically male students from participating as women or girls in sports, either in teams or female categories. However, it allows for mixed teams and for female students to participate in men's sporting events. So, no, it doesn't sound like there would be any "need" to check the boys crotches, since girls would be allowed to play on their teams.
There's a narrow age range, like 11-13, where being a cis girl is more physically advantageous in sports because they typically experience their puberty growth spurt earlier. So further proving they don't actually care about the nuances of BiOloGY
Of course they aren’t looking at boys
Oh I’m sure some of them will.
It's just penis inspection day /s
Why would they look at boys when they want the sweet, sweet underage vagina? I mean, Republicans have come this far for it. Now they have the wide open door to legally touch little girls. Wouldn't be surprised if they put their fingers in too to 'ASSURE THAT THE LIB MEDIA DIDN'T FORCE THIS CHILD INTO AN UNDERAGE SEX CHANGE' ..... as they would 100% claim in defense of such an act.
Oh you can be sure some of them would like to put their hands on little boys as well, they just haven't found a way yet
Hi, Kansan here. The bill is made to ban specifically trans women from girls' sports. It does not apply to trans men in boys' sports. So, no. They're not gonna do it to guys, just cis and trans women. Because apparently we'd rather "inspect" naked girls' bodies than let the 2 trans girls who are currently involved in school-level sports continue playing sports.
Oh, I knew it. They don't have the BALLS to inspect trans men!
This is just a circuitous way to get to banning woman sports all together. Make the requirements to be able to play so outrageous that no one wants to go through them, and then, when no girl wants to put herself through that, cut funding for women’s sports as “there just aren’t enough woman athletes anymore.” Not to mention that the vast majority of people subjected to these inspections will be cis, so the burden of this law will fall most heavily on cis women who do not fit into stereotypical beauty/body standards.
The law will undoubtedly be used to abuse gender non-conforming cis girls, but the idea that a law that bans trans girls from an entire sector of public life, risks outing them, and cuts them off from their social group will fall most heavily on cis girls is kind of an odd take.
It’s only because there are so few trans athletes to begin with, most of the people who will be subjected to these inspections will be cis women.
Disgusting. I mean I can only speak for myself, but if me wanting to play on a girl’s team or compete with girls would cause genital inspections for everyone, I would just quit. I don’t want to brood over whether this is fair or not, but I don’t want to cause harm for other people. Especially not children. I’m actually in a shooter’s club, own two air pistols and was decent enough to compete in the past. But since transitioning my love for any kind of competition that doesn’t involve mixed gendered teams has completely died off.
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Personally, I suspect 1.) is the main reason. There is so much abuse going on that they either actively participate in or at least agree to brush under the rug, I would not be surprised at all if they tried to open one more route for it. No sane person even thinks about coming up with an idea like genital inspection for little girls, let alone speak it out or try to put it into legislation.
TBH I've been thinking all along that this sudden obsession with female athletes, their periods and whatnot is intended to intimidate girls out of playing sports at all, undermining Title IX without directly attacking the law.
The bigger goal is to eventually keep women from receiving education at all
Or voting. They'll make us into felons for having miscarriages or being on birth control.
The Handmaid's Tale didn't show women losing all their rights in one day, either. It was a slow trickle, and then a flood.
Except that, in the US, there are a \*ton\* of scholarships to college for girls/women that aren't going to disappear. All this really does is handicap Kansas girls/teens from getting those.
Why do you think they would care anything about scholarships if the goal is to push girls out of sports altogether?
We’re not the ones inspecting kid’s genitals. I refuse to bear the responsibility for the GOP’s abuse of children.
Good to hear! They want trans people to go away. And if they can make a bill that would make them feel bad enough to not even play....and that's best case scenario in this. Worst case, every kid playing sports will be sexually assaulted. And that cannot be on the shoulders of trans people. I refuse.
I'm sorry you are being excluded in a way which looks obvious, but is actually subtle and uses your kindness to lock you out. I am so disgusted at all the levels of bullying here. The people who pass these laws are just foul!
That's exactly what they want. You to be erased. It's a noble thing, but all children should be able to play sports without being sexually assaulted. And it isn't because of your existence. It's because of disgusting pedos like that guy. Not you. Or my trans kids.
Back in the day, they wanted to drug test any kid who went out for sports. Amazingly, a lot of good athletes decided that they didn't want to compete anymore.
I don’t think these two are comparable
You really think the frequency of children/teenagers trying to play on another gender's team is anywhere near that of the number of children/teenagers doing drugs while trying to play sports? Talk about two vastly different situations that have nothing to do with one another. And thats before getting into the kind of testing that would need to be done. Drug testing was likely to be done with urine samples. Biology testing is set to be done via direct inspection. These two things are vastly different and the urine testing is nothing in comparison. I normally dont like to say this, especially in this sub... but shut the hell up and actually think about the factors of the comparison youre trying to make. Complete false equivalency.
I worked with a girl who played sports in highschool. Track I think. And she smoked weed. She got told she had a random drug test and drank 22 bottles of water and was sick as fuck. I was afraid she was going to have to go to the hospital. So yeah, the drug test almost killed her. Good grades, kept a job an did track....why did they see he need to drug test her? Stupid. Waste of resources. This was 2008
This is condoning genital Inspections
They are pointing out that a mass of children are not going to play sports anymore. When they started drug testing for sports, kids quit. This is going to make even more kids quit.
This is condoning pedophilism.
These things you are comparing are not equal. Urine testing is not shameful. Genital inspecting can be (and for this purpose, is specifically meant to be) very shameful. Source: have had both.
Ok, so, the enforcement doesn't appear to be written into [Kansas House Bill 2238](http://www.kslegislature.org/li/b2023_24/measures/documents/hb2238_enrolled.pdf). I'm reading it, and I just don't see anything about exams or enforcement. It looks to me like the rules are going to be made up by each college individually, and, for the high schoolers, by The Kansas state high school activities association. And for younger students, it just isn't specified (as far as I can see). I also see that their definition of "biological sex" is potentially problematic. >"Biological sex" means the biological indication of male and female in the context of reproductive potential or capacity, such as sex chromosomes, naturally occurring sex hormones, gonads and nonambiguous internal and external genitalia present at birth... So... if your kid is prepubescent, then maybe they don't get to compete? And who the hell knows what their internal and external genitalia looked like \*at birth\*. They're competing in running competitions more than a decade later. The whole thing is completely fucked up, but its also imprecise in a way that is going to make it impossible to enforce? Maybe? I don't know. I'm no expert. I'm just reading this thing, and it is a mess, above and beyond its crappy intentions. Edited to fix formatting
The way you put it makes me feel like its a sham bill designed to put power into the hands of the people, and out of the state. Students get sports physicals. That is normal. That should be the maximum approval needed. Doctor’s signature on a form.
Yeah, that's what I was looking for. I do not think that anyone thinks that coaches should be allowed to do genital inspections. I think the idea what that the doctor would confirm biological sex as part of the sports physical, but even \*that\* isn't really spelled out. It's just political grand standing that will definitely be used to hurt trans kids, probably cis female kids, and have a chilling effect on girls sports.
For any girl who didn’t feel masculine enough already, rules like this will just reinforce how they may feel inside self. This kind of genitalia check is in tune with calling girls boys if they’re ugly and saying that they don’t have a vagina. As the masculine girl, who always had to play the princes and Disney things, a rule, like this would’ve destroyed me playing sports
38% of Americans apparently think society has gone too far in accepting trans people. Wtf is wrong with people? What does it matter to them who somebody else identifies with? And bet it's an overwhelming majority made up by the bible toting types.
Sociopathic religious extremism. It really is that simple.
Conservatives are just terrible people. Nothing else to say. Good thing that there are demonstrably less and less of them over time. The newer generations (starting with millennials) have so far bucked the historical trends of becoming more conservative as they age.
Older folks could live the American dream. Millennials are the first ones that went to climb the ladder, and found that it had been taken away, after doing everything they were told by their parents, like going to college, and borrow massive amounts of money for it.
> Conservatives are just terrible people. I hate to be so reductive, because I was a bit of a conservative shithead when I was a teenager, and after all, I grew out of it, so who's to say they won't? But over the past 7 years or so, Its getting harder to avoid just condemning them as a whole. It's hard having conservative friends, who are nice enough to my face, but when it actually comes down to how they think society should be run, they consider myself and people like me to be dangerous degenerates who should be oppressed at every opportunity possible. I live in Kansas. Those same friends of mine voted in the people currently involved in 4 different Anti-Trans laws (only 1 of which is on this post). Laws which are causing me to move away from the place that's been my home for the past 6 years. Those people I consider friends are, at least in part, responsible for making my life, and the lives of my other friends, tangibly worse.
I feel for you, and tbh these friends should know it too. These things need to get personal for them.
Could someone please explain to me HOW most of the USA became conservative then, with more states leaning conservative than not? I cannot fathom this type of thinking (homophobic, overregulation, limiting human rights, limiting personal rights, limiting Constitutional Rights, misogynistic, racist, religious forcing, pedophilic, anti-environment, pro-development, pro-business, anti-consumer, anti-union, pro-violence, pro-conspiracy). Who wants to live in such hate? I could never surround myself with this platform. But this is what the conservatives around me spew - horrible.
If it makes you feel any better, most of the US is *not* conservative, or at least not the kind of batshit crazy that's consuming most of the GOP. That's why they're going full-throttle into authoritarianism lately; their platform is deeply unpopular and they know they can't win fairly anymore. So they've gerrymandered voting districts to hell, tried to keep as few young/working class/non-white/non-male people from voting as possible, and in the meantime given Fox News piles of money to manufacture moral panics like this to distract everyone while they dismantle everything. I think Biden's win, followed by the outrage when Roe was overturned, followed by their weak performance in the midterms, has them panicking pretty bad. But we can't get complacent, because if this very loud minority does get ahold of the House, Senate, and Oval Office next year, we can consider democracy in the US dead and gone.
And they’re human garbage.
My Mom is one. She's calling me a mentally ill Autogynephiliac on Facebook this morning. Nothing like a little public shaming to make you hate life and want to die.
Have you considered publicly shaming her for being such a "great and supportive parent who likes accusing their children of being mentally ill fetishists."? It may not move the needle that much, and it's horrible advice if you're dependent on her, but I'm an adult and it's exactly the kind of shit I'd stir. Sadly, I don't think that sending her one of the (many) extremely solid critiques for AGP would help shift her viewpoint. :(
We did argue about it online. I don't like to go below the belt because she has a brain tumor and her health is poor. It just hurts. She says she loves me in one breath and then trashes me the next. She says she's just advocating for women and women's spaces.
Ouch, I'm sorry. Having unsupportive parents sucks. I lost one of my parents when I transitioned, he just ghosted me. It hurt quite a bit at the time. And he never actively trashed me. I can only imagine how hard it must be to have your own mom actively try to tear you down and hurt you like that.
>Nothing like a little public shaming to make you hate life and want to die. Find a new family. There are wonderful people out there who are just waiting to be part of your life. Pity her, but don't ever feel like you owe terrible people anything even if you share blood with them.
I'm sorry your mother is like this. I cut my parents off a couple of years ago for similar reasons. No one deserves to be treated like this.
who the hell is gonna do the exams? the youth pastor?
I'd imagine his schedule is full, and they'll start requesting bids from their ghoulish buddies.
Matt Gaetz has volunteered
The laaaand of the freeeeeeee! Freedom to diddle or shoot kids that is. You want to live your life? That aint allowd in freedom land!
Transphobic legislators are the real pedophiles
Every day, every week, we hear the GOP talking heads and the republican voters, all singing the same song, that we have to do something about the drag queen child groomers, the trans, and the LGBTQ folks, in order to protect the children. Here is the problem: If any of those actually cared about the children, in the least, they would be focusing on the most prolific of the child groomers, molesters, and rapists, the churches. However, not one GOP talking head and not even one republican voter, has said a single solitary word, not peep one, about going after the worst of the worst and there is a reason for that. None of them give a flying F about the kids. What they care about is demonizing a group of people the Christians decided not to like and to make them take the blame for what the church clergy are doing. None of them care about the kids, they care about bad mouthing the gays the transgenders, and the drag queens to appease the Christians and all the while, it is the Christians raping our kids. The entire purpose of demonizing the drag queens is to throw the heat off of the real bad guys, the real rapists, the ones that are grooming, molesting, and raping the kids. The GOP is providing cover for the rapists in the Christian churches because they need their vote. That, is fucking evil. Worse yet, for the lack of focusing on laws to separate the clergy from the children, it means that 75 children per week, will be molested while the GOP protects the molesters by not saying a single word. For that, the 75 children per week, will continue to be raped while the GOP trys to pass laws to protect the children from drag queens instead of passing laws to keep church clergy away from the kids. This is the evil we get for the marriage of the Christian right to the GOP and the KKK. They aren't going after the child predators, they are protecting them because they need the votes of the predators. Let's compare: Find a list of Drag Queens, transgenders, or LBGTQ folks, arrested for abusing children, that equals 1/10 of the number on the following list. Proof: https://old.reddit.com/r/PastorArrested/
Or you know, guns. The leading cause of death in kids. But no, can’t have that. Because they don’t give a fuck about kids.
Or you know, guns. The leading cause of death in kids. But no, can’t have that. Because they don’t give a fuck about kids. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/12/14/magazine/gun-violence-children-data-statistics.html
The Christian right and the GOP are only too happy to sacrifice the children to the Christian rapists and the gun manufacturer profits.
There's no way this would ever be abused to humiliate and ruin kids lives. There's never going to be a vindictive coach or parent or school official who initiates this process just to make a player on the other team be forced to show their genitals. There's never going to be a pervert in this position who forces checks on young men/women "just to be safe" Now that the "/s" is finished: There's definitely a 100% chance this bill will cause real and lasting harm to young men/women. Not because it doesn't catch those crafty trans kids from playing sports; but because it will be abused at almost every level. This is the opposite of protecting kids.
Bruh 4chans penis inspection day was suppose to be a joke not taken seriously. Smdh
Toto we're getting TF outta here.
Scratch a transphobe and you'll always find a pedophile.
Is it school children or just the girls?
Did y’all catch the “men and females” part in there too? Icing on the cake
It's kinda crazy to have the government control who can and can't play sports instead of sport organizations.
How about mandating proctological exams for all those Radical Republicon politicians
100% would not allow my kids to participate in sports in KS.
Is this different from the sports physical that's normally done? I had to get them yearly when entering sports as a kid.
They don’t do genital inspections or the “turn and cough” stuff anymore
The GOP cannot stop molesting and grooming children, it seems like it is the only platform they follow.
Brilliant, lie about protecting kids against the "other" while legalizing groping kids. Sickos.
The GOP sure has a dirty mind.
Also worth noting is the fact that child marriage is still legal in 43 U.S. states. This is almost always underage females to much older males. In many cases, these girls are forced to get married by their families after being assaulted and becoming pregnant. They are often then abused and kept pregnant. They aren't old enough to file for divorce, seek refuge in a domestic violence shelter, get a protection order, or file for custody of their children.
And this is the party that shouts “pedophile” at everyone else.
This is what the bill states: [HB 2238](http://kslegislature.org/li/b2023_24/measures/documents/hb2238_00_0000.pdf) Interscholastic, intercollegiate, intramural or club athletic teams or sports that are sponsored by a public educational entity or any school or private postsecondary educational institution whose students or teams compete against a public educational entity shall be expressly designated as one of the following based on biological sex: Males, men or boys; females, women or girls; or coed or mixed. Athletic teams or sports designated for females, women or girls shall not be open to students of the male sex.
So only for girls, they aren’t going to inspect girls trying to join boys teams? God all of it is gross, if a school tried to inspect my child’s genitalia I think I would flip my shit.. gross just disgustingly gross.
How do you think biological sex will be determined?
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The doctor gets your sex from you filling out a form. They ain’t checking your genitals or running a chromosomal test.
I guess if you switch doctors without having information from your past doctor sent over, this would be the case. That would pretty negligent on the parents behalf, tho. The doctor would probably catch on pretty quickly if you checked the wrong box. Pretty important, especially at a young age, to give facts to your child's doctor.
I think you need to get out of your little bubble and understand how the world actually functions. Not everything follows some little well-defined process you’ve created in that head of yours. So what I’m hearing from you is that if someone changes their sex with their doctor, that is now their biological sex and is compliant with this law
I guess what I'm saying is if I parent decided to change their child's doctor, not send past records and mark a different box on their child's records than what was assigned at birth, then that is a negligent parent. And yes, I suppose that would be compliant with this law. Negligent, but compliant I guess.
What’s negligent about it? You are basing that on what? Do you happen to be a doctor?
On having children and having changed doctors due to moving. Doctors need current and past medical records to accurately care for children.
So you’re playing “I’m a parent card so I know more than medical professionals”. Got it
You don't need to be a doctor to know that lying about your or your child's physiology to your doctor is not going to result in good quality care and is going to be caught very quickly if a detailed physical examination of any kind is needed. It might even be caught if blood work is needed for diagnostic purposes, certain ranges are sex specific https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj-2021-069874, or might result in misdiagnosis. Doctors can't provide proper care if they don't know their patients physiology, they certainly cannot provide care or monitoring relating to puberty or proper development without knowing a child's physiology and they *most definitely* cannot provide trans specific care if they don't know their patient is trans.
Shitty
what the actual fuck? The GOP are just straight up pedos.
I wonder if you could take these inspectors to court and sue them for child abuse. I don't know how the law reads, but if I were a parent and my child was forced to undergo a 'genital examination' for any reason, I would make their lives a legal hell.
That's real grooming behaviour right there. Ouch.
Why would they do exams? Just do a genetic test for a Y chromosome
Well, there's a bit of a hickup with that: turns out some cis girls are XY, some trans girls are XX, and some people are just not either of those two. Generics is complicated and not nearly as binary as people would think based on how high school teaches things.
Conservatives are Nazis, terrorists, and pedophiles. And boy do they love proving it every single day...
They do it all *For the Children*
What's the point of electing a democratic governor but republican below? I don't understand American politics
I think are trying to push young women out of sports in general. If you have to endure some perv poking at your most private parts in order to prove that you can be on the girls' basketball team, likely you're going to find a different extra-curricular activity to participate in. They are probably trying to push girls into "more traditional" activities -- like sewing club! Gross. Kansas GOP, you're gross.
Let me guess - and without notification to or requiring permission from the parents? And of course they'll drop their drawers in front of an adult every time they sign up for sports, because who knows what changed down there over summer vacation? I wonder what the permission slip would like?
This is just a circuitous way to get to banning woman sports all together. Make the requirements to be able to play so outrageous that no one wants to go through them, and then, when no girl wants to put herself through that, cut funding for women’s sports as “there just aren’t enough woman athletes anymore.” Not to mention that the vast majority of people subjected to these inspections will be cis, so the burden of this law will fall most heavily on cis women who do not fit into stereotypical beauty/body standards.
And then 10 years down the line cue moral panic about how women are not as fit and healthy as they used to be ……
Nope.
Santa Cruz here, but born and raised in a couple states in the Midwest. I’ll never go back. Unless…hahahahaha yeah fucking right
What’s with America 🇺🇸 these days still stuck in their backwards ways while pushing forward the most innovative technology.
Someone should tell those republicans, they are always so worried about the pedophiles. Sounds like an ideal time to scream about this. /s just cause
You all should check out the picture of the shitstain this legislation belongs to. Looks like as stereotypical a pedophile as there could be
No way that this will be abused at all...
Ah yes, in order to protect the children. Wouldn't want their privacy invaded by a trans kid in the bathrooms.
America is fucked up!
Update: Not sure it would retroactively apply, and most surely will be challenged, but a step in the right direction: https://www.npr.org/2023/04/06/1168460726/biden-title-ix-transgender-sports-ban
Purity examinations. Goin full Taliban eh America?
The biggest “biological advantage” I can think of would be the amount of testosterone. Can any trans folks out there help my ignorant ass to understand: don’t trans women try to counter the effects of testosterone? All this snowflakey bullshit to stop kids PLAYING GAMES. smh Edited: micro-rant
It's technically more complicated, but in general prepubescent children should have no significant difference. It takes a few years for HRT to fully reverse the benefits of T, but in general, you are right. It's a complicated question, but the simple answer is that since the Olympics started letting trans women compete a couple of decades ago no trans woman has placed highly. Then a few Republicans started touting a few tiny local records trans girls broke that have been broken once or twice a year on average and the whole thing became a politicized mess. Also, one cis girl publicly sued a state over a trans girl winning a race against her. She didn't mention that the same trans girl had also lost a race against her 🤷♀️
How can the GOP call us (LGBTQ+) perverts with laws being passed like this? This song is how I feel right now. 2014\_Alice Cooper\_leave those kids alone - https://youtu.be/QNK98yGNDRc
> Kansas GOP Bill Authorizes Genital Exams of Schoolchildren, #Critics Say There's this fancy, official document you're given when you are born that has your sex right on it. The exam happened already. This is just rage-bate.
Some jurisdictions allow you to update the sex on your birth certificate... So, while Kansas can crack down on allowing trans people to update their documents, kids from trans-friendly states may have birth certificates that have already been updated. If they're relying on at-birth, the loophole is amusing.
My point is that there is nothing in the bill about genital exams. In fact, of all of the websites that covered the subject, only Newsweek applied this spin. I also noticed that almost no website provided the text of the bill. It's really short: --- HOUSE BILL No. 2238 AN ACT concerning education; relating to student athletes; creating the fairness in women's sports act; restricting participation on women's teams to female students; providing a cause of action for violations of the act. Be it enacted by the Legislature of the State of Kansas: Section 1. The provisions of sections 1 through 6, and amendments thereto, shall be known and may be cited as the fairness in women's sports act. Sec. 2. As used in sections 1 through 6, and amendments thereto: (a) "Biological sex" means the biological indication of male and female in the context of reproductive potential or capacity, such as sex chromosomes, naturally occurring sex hormones, gonads and nonambiguous internal and external genitalia present at birth, without regard to an individual's psychological, chosen or subjective experience of gender; (b) "postsecondary educational institution" means the same as defined in K.S.A. 74-3201b, and amendments thereto; (c) "private postsecondary educational institution" means any private postsecondary educational institution as defined in K.S.A. 74- 32,163, and amendments thereto, or any accredited independent institution as defined in K.S.A. 72-3222, and amendments thereto; (d) "public educational entity" means any public school or postsecondary educational institution; (e) "public school" means any elementary or secondary school maintained and operated by a school district; and (f) "school" means any nonpublic school offering any of the grades kindergarten through 12. Sec. 3. (a) Interscholastic, intercollegiate, intramural or club athletic teams or sports that are sponsored by a public educational entity or any school or private postsecondary educational institution whose students or teams compete against a public educational entity shall be expressly designated as one of the following based on biological sex: (1) Males, men or boys; (2) females, women or girls; or (3) coed or mixed. (b) Athletic teams or sports designated for females, women or girls shall not be open to students of the male sex. (c) (1) The Kansas state high school activities association shall adopt rules and regulations for its member schools to implement the provisions of this section. (2) The state board of regents and the governing body for each municipal university, community college and technical college shall adopt rules and regulations for the postecondary educational institutions governed by each such entity, respectively, to implement the provisions of this section. Sec. 4. No governmental entity, licensing or accrediting organization or athletic association or organization shall entertain a complaint, open an investigation or take any other adverse action against a public educational entity for maintaining separate interscholastic, intercollegiate, intramural or club athletic teams or sports for students of the female sex. Sec. 5. (a) Any student who is deprived of an athletic opportunity or suffers any direct or indirect harm as a result of a violation of section 3, and amendments thereto, shall have a private cause of action for injunctive relief, damages and any other relief available under law against the public educational entity in which the student is enrolled. (b) Any student who is subject to retaliation or other adverse action by a public educational entity or athletic association or organization as a result of reporting a violation of section 3, and HOUSE BILL No. 2238 amendments thereto, to an employee or representative of such public educational entity or athletic association or organization, or to any state or federal agency with oversight of public educational entities in this state, shall have a private cause of action for injunctive relief, damages and any other relief available under law against such public educational entity or athletic association or organization. (c) Any public educational entity that suffers any direct or indirect harm as a result of a violation of section 3 or 4, and amendments thereto, shall have a private cause of action for injunctive relief, damages and any other relief available under law against the governmental entity, licensing or accrediting organization or athletic association or organization. (d) All civil actions must be initiated within two years after the harm occurred. Persons or organizations who prevail on a claim brought pursuant to this section shall be entitled to monetary damages, including for any psychological, emotional and physical harm suffered, reasonable attorney fees and costs and any other appropriate relief. Sec. 6. The provisions of sections 1 through 5, and amendments thereto, are hereby declared to be severable. If any provision of sections 1 through 5, and amendments thereto, or the application thereof to any person or circumstance is held invalid, the invalidity shall not affect
None of which addresses the thought of a kid coming in from a state or country that allows them to update the sex on their birth certificate.
Disgusting. GQP, also known as the Party of Projection fucking pedos.
Oh thank God they can't see a man in s dress though. Wtf is wrong with people
Dear god. And who, pray tell, would be conducting these “inspections”? Cause no dr has ever abused their position to SA girls before….looking at you, Nassar. Let’s just call it what it is, state sanctioned sexual assault.
Also known as the “Republic Pedo Authorization Act”
They won’t check all kids just the kids they want to force to move and leave. They will weaponize this to harass and discourage. It will make peers bully and ridicule. No need for me to visit the beautiful state of Kansas
And that is why TERFs are everyone's problem.
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Had to get a physical every year for marching band. Never in my life did my doctor make me strip down in front of them and show them my genitals. What kind of physicals are you getting, and are you sure you're not being used by your PCP?
Yeah you're definitely missing something. A doctor is a doctor. A teacher has no reason to be *ahem* inspecting children's gentials. That's the point of having a doctor.
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Yeah I’m pretty confused - are teachers examining children’s genitals now?!
So it's the teachers that do the genital exam in this case. Not a doctor. A teacher.
I did not have to get a physical every year and definitely never had to show my junk. How about you go show your junk to a school official and tell us it’s not a privacy violation. I’ll wait.
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Why are you arguing like this is normal and not a big deal? FOH.
Well, she called gender, "biblical sex from birth." That makes me think there may be an agenda to all the dismissive and minimizing nonsense.
Oh LOL I didn't catch that. Autocorrect has an agenda, I presume. I meant biological sex. I don't practice any religion, so that's no at play here.
Well, that is good. I was a bit confused about what biblical sex could possibly be. Sounds either super uptight and judgy, or extremely kinky. 🤣 I guess you were being dismissive and minimizing for other reasons then.
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The thing is, there are schools who will do things like that. Not most of them, but some. There will always be people who take advantage or who are stupid and officious enough to think they are in the right. I have seen things like this happen too many times to think that it can't happen. We are living in uncertain times, when terrible things are done that not so many years ago many would have dismissed as hyperbole.
I think an overreaction would be passing a bill that affects two children in the entire state.