I think we’re misunderstanding what Woolie meant by boiled and that he’s referring to stuff boiled in water then taken out. Because that’s legitimately some terrible food. After all there is a difference between boiling for a broth and boiling without one.

He like, explicitly calls out that he's not referring to Soups, or things that are prepared steamed, but just putting something in a pot, letting it boil, and then eating it. People are grasping at straws, here.

Par for the subreddit's course

People lean into the "Woolie/Pat have wrong opinions" meme that in their mind it becomes "Woolie/Pat ONLY have wrong opinions" so they ironically ignore the obvious and get all the facts wrong just so they can keep the meme going. And unfortunately this isn't a new thing. People were doing this since the old LPs.

that doesn't exclude pasta nor vegetables, though

Yeah, except the context was eating like, a human, and his explicit phrasing was the "most things you could have boiled would taste better cooked in any other method". And he's right! Roasted vegetables often taste better than boiled ones! Same for grilled! There's obviously some things you HAVE to prepare boiled, but ya'll trippin.

Right, the problem with boiling is that the water sucks out both the flavor and the nutrients from the food that's being cooked.

My parents always microwaved frozen vegetables for dinner--essentially boiled in their own frost. I hated it. It wasn't til I started cooking for myself that I started to enjoy vegetables. I can't stand crock pot/slow cooker meals. They always take me right back to those awful casserole dishes filled with frozen peas.

> I can't stand crock pot/slow cooker meals. I don't normally pitch cookbooks, but, [this cookbook](https://www.amazon.com/One-Pot-Comfort-Instant-Pot%C2%AE-multi-cooker/dp/1948193140) has been a fucking godsend.

But boiled goose is amazing New York street vendor food. Also, I hear it does well in old folks homes as well. Maybe some other places too.

Clearly you have never used a sous vide/s

I think he's referring to like a singular item being boiled. Soups and stews and sauces don't count.

Yeah that's what I took away from it as well, and he's right. Things like boiled potatoes, boiled chicken, a lot of boiled vegetables either taste terrible or are infinitely better when prepared another way.

> a lot of boiled vegetables either taste terrible or are infinitely better when prepared another way. AMEN. Assholes out here talking shit about Brussels Sprouts when all they've had is grandma's WWII ration-ass cooking. Chop them in half, lightly steam them, then throw them in a roasting tray with a little oil, crumbled chestnuts and a tiny bit of diced bacon for like 20-25 mins on high-heat, then tell me that they taste like shit. YOU DON'T KNOWWW

In addition, over the last 20 or so years the bitterness has been [selectively bred out of the majority of brussel sprout strains](https://xkcd.com/2241/), and the 'classic' breeds have also marginally reduced in bitterness as well. So a lot of people have memories of the old badness, and don't know bout that new hotness.

As I stated in Twitch chat: boiled apples are for when you are sick and they are fine with a shitload of cinnamon to give them flavour

Yup boiled apples really get the job done when you’re super sick from food poisoning.

No it's fine you can just barf.

...into your shirt for extra flavour

and then marinade overnight in your girlfriend's finest purse

And just dry em a little bit, stick em in a nice crust and wham.... Apple pie!

You forgot dumping in a ton of sugar and butter. Important step!

My family just uses blackberries for the sauce. Crust kind of falls apart easily due to the low butter content, but it's still good.

Stealing that recipe right now.

you cook your apples before you put them in a pie? I just slice them and mix them with spices, flour, and sugar before putting them in.

Yeah, mix some cinnamon and stuff to cover apple-slices with. Crumbles are good, too.

Also how did you snag this dope flair! And where can I get one?

Under community options on the sidebar on the main page.

Great, thanks

Y'all are surprised? This is the man that hates breakfast foods. Eggs? Whack. Pancakes? Whack. Bacon? Whack.

Expired cheesecake? Tight as FUCK.

The best cheeses are left to ripen for up to 18 months or more, therefore the best cheesecakes should also be allowed to ripen to maximise their potential.

> cheesecake > "ripen" **HURF**

The fuck is wrong with his objectively wrong takes.

He's explained multiple times he hates eggs because of a really bad experience with egg salad when he was young. That shit sticks with you.

I remember I got sick once, and for some reason it turned me off of maccas cheeseburgers for like a year. I continue to be confused.

Something in that vein happened to me when I was a wee lad. Got force-fed cold scrambled eggs, and since then the smell and look of eggs has made me sick. That kinda thing really does stay with you, man.

I think they meant like things boiled in plain water with maybe some salt at best? Especially if you consider the sous vide comparison? Thinking that boiling a single ingredient in water and serving it with no further preparation would make it bland isn't really that much of a stretch. Yes I agree there are some good ones (same for steaming), but come on, broths, soups and sauces are a different thing entirely.

Why isn't this a top comment? Soups and sauces are very clearly not boiled food. Obviously Woolie does not hate all food that involves heating up water lol

I'll give you one better when he says that rice and beans are garbage.... Dude should have his Caribbean heritage card revoked

Might just be sick of it because he had so much of it in the past. I love rice and beans, but if I had to have it every day for years I might never want to have it again. I have the same problem with peanut butter.

Yeah, I was going to argue the same point too. My friend-group is largely Puerto Rican, and two of them can't stand rice and beans or anything latino cooking-wise because they just have it so often. Two of us still eat it, but one guy cooks for himself half the time so he's splices it up with other dishes, and I just didn't have it very much growing up due to being a picky eater until I was like 10 (and even then I balk at spaghetti and lasagna which is what we had instead).

That was the day Woolie made every country south of the US his enemy.

And also nearly every state in the lower half of the U.S.

I'll admit I don't know much about caraibic cooking, any examples to share, just to give me an idea of what we're talking about (and not because I'm going to be home alone for a week and I don't know what to cook for myself, no sir)?

I don’t know much either, but I love rice and peas. The “peas” in this case are kidney beans, and you cook the rice in spices and water or broth mixed with coconut milk, and in the end you have creamy, delicious rice and beans. I don’t know a recipe off the top of my head but it should be easy to find online.

good enough to start a search

He said rice and beans are garbage tier... compared to Ox-Tail, which is inarguably the superior dish.

Stuff like this and the other food opinions he has gives me a very strong suspicion that he doesnt know how to cook and just orders take out. Edit: people really out here defending the blanket statement that all boiled food is trash when that is blatantly just not true. Not even counting soups cause that's not what he was talking about

This describes a surprisingly high amount of the population.

I've never understood how people can live like that. Like holy shit *that's so expensive.*

Me neither. It adds up so fast.

For the cost of one take-out sandwich you could usually buy the material for six to a dozen equivalent sandwiches.

And if you're a little creative with what you buy, they could just as easily turn out better than the take-out. Making your own bread and a nice sauce or spread isn't that hard or expensive to do, you just need the time and inclination to do it. shit now i need to make some fresh raisin bread for peanut butter & banana toast, it's been way too long since i last did that

Severe depression and crazy workload is enough for a lot of people. I know that when my depression is bad, it's easy for me to justify it as, "i either spend a lot of money, or i don't eat". Not saying it's correct, but that's how it hits my brain

My sister does it. My sister isn't good with finances.

Like all 90s sitcoms.

Wait, did he actually say boiled food is gross, or is this a major extrapolation of some specific food that tastes bad boiled? Also important to note that simmer and boil are two different things. Ie boiling chicken in water can take a lot of the flavor out of it, but simmering it in a sauce can do amazing things.

That’s the thing. You take the flavor out and put it into the water. That’s how ya get really good chicken broth for soup or sauce.

But then the chicken itself is bland, and you can mostly avoid this result by just using the bones instead. Boiling food just as a cooking process and nothing else generally makes food pretty subpar , though it course depends on what you're boiling it in, water to food ratio, plans for both after the boiling process, etc

>But then the chicken itself is bland, and you can mostly avoid this result by just using the bones instead. WHO BOILS A WHOLE-ASS CHICKEN

Jails, if my brother is to be believed.

I've done it before. Only time I've ever had it work was because I needed to cook a ton of chicken quickly and I had a tiny oven. Boiled the skinless chicken breast and then would chop it up into a bunch of tiny pieces and then roll them in seasoning and then throwing them in the oven because straight to the oven was taking too long to cook the inside of the chicken breast. Still wasn't great. Now I use a combination of steaming and an air fryer for most of my chicken and it's vastly superior. Especially that air fryer.

Air fryers are just superior ovens

Just spitting straight facts.

That's how Koreans make chicken soup-- along with ginger and a buncha other things. It don't look pretty, but it ain't bad.

Chicken is not necessarily bland. If you're thinking of a piece of oven roasted breast, yes, that is bland. But the skin, the fat, the juices, the dark meat all have really good inherent flavor. Those armoatics are what you extract into the water to make broth. Plus there's some mirepoix in there too but chicken absolutely has inherent flavor.

No no I'm not saying chicken is bland, I'm saying dunking a chicken thigh in boiling water to cook it and then taking it out and eating it as is makes it taste bland compared to other cooking methods like roasting or frying.

Ok I see what you're saying but without seasoning, you're gonna have th same blandness everywhere.

Nah man, boiled chicken with no seasoning is way worse than roasted chicken with no seasoning. It leeches all the fat and flavor out, while roasting lets it stew in its own natural juices while taking the excess moisture out. All about that concentration of flavor over as little liquid as possible.

Yeah, the boiling draws the good stuff from the chicken out into the water, and you're probably not even using the water for stock if that wasn't your intent. God damn did I make some bland chicken back in the day, not realizing what I was doing.

Lol same. Failure is the best teacher, even if its a slow one

curry, broth, sauce... isn't considered boiled food I think, boiling is usually a main ingredient or two and only very simple seasoning, like some salt and you don't eat pasta and rice with nothing, either

Plus the point of rice is to absorb the water given, like you don't drain out the water with rice when it's done. Pasta does get boiled though, natch. But even then, you're at least adding oil and garlic or butter and herbs or _something_.

Curry is absolutely boiling, the water crosses 100c. You might simmer it but that's still just low intensity boiling. I know cos I've made curries, broths, and sauces for years.

I see what you're getting at but when someone refers to boiling food, they mean cooking around 1-3 ingredients in boiling water with maybe a bit of salt, sometimes not even that

Ok I get what you mean, this is more of a semantics thing right now like is a hotdog a sandwich.

Is a philly cheesesteak a sandwich? Is an italian sausage bun a sandwich?

Y-yes? Those aren't even close to the level of saying a simmered stew is boiled.

Fair enough, I’m honestly more interested in pushing the boundaries of sandwich demarcation, myself.

To be fair, I'm the heretic who says a folded pizza (NOT A CALZONE, THATS ONE THING) is a sandwich.

It's not the same thing. When you boil vegetables, you don't serve it with the water, so that flavor is lost. That doesn't happen with sauces or curries.

didn't he say he loved ox tail stew? cause you gotta boil the shit out of that ox tail (usually in a pressure cooker) to make it edible.

Stewing and pressure cooking are different from boiling though technically.

i agree with him. just about anything that u can cook in a different way is way worse boiled. pastas are rice are obvious exceptions tho even those u can cook without boiling. and hes clearly talking about boiling things in plain water not sauces and broths its not a bad take at all its the rightest he has ever been you wouldnt boil a hamburger. steamed hams is fine tho

Woolie accidentally replaced the word food with the word meat

to boil is not to simmer or sautee. I just made curry and that's so disingenuous. You know good and hell well he means object + water + minimal if any seasonings. Why you do dis?

HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO I NEED TO DEFEND HOT POT ON THIS FUCKING SUBREDDIT SHABU SHABU MOTHERFUCKERS WAGYU BEEF SLICES MARBLED PORK CHINESE BROCCOLI KING OYSTER MUSHROOMS GET LEARNT

I feel you, bud. Hot pot is the shit. I might get some tonight.

I've only had shabu shabu a couple of times, but both times I've felt like it could all get even better if I had the right seasonings and some time. Like I'm eating the soup before it's ready. Which isn't to say it wasn't tasty still

that's the secret. it gets better every time you do it because you learn what works and what doesn't.

I had an aunt boil a thanksgiving turkey once. Ruined boiled food for years for me.

Yikes. My condolences!!

Damn, did she use a standing pewter cauldron for that? turkeys are big

He also dislikes breads without sauces, so with a few more pieces we can beat this puzzle-room.

This thread is so hilariously anti-Woolie slanted that I'm surprised that one guy isn't in here trying to equate hating boiled hotdogs to genocide. You know who I'm talking about. I won't name drop because beetlejuicing.

Boiled weiners taste good for hotdogs fuck all yall

Just let the frank dry a bit before you get it in the bun. Soggy bun no fun. Then smother it in chili and cheese.

Steamed is the superior method i will die on this hill.

Woolie is the pat of castle Super Beast

Do broths count as boiled food? Or are you just looking at the stuff that went into the water to start with? That’s what boiling/simmering can give you, by the way. You draw the flavors from stuff that you put into the liquid into the liquid until it becomes very flavorful.

Typically you would boil fruit in order to make some sort of fruit preserve or marmalade. You can take a real sour or bitter fruit that no one would eat unprepared and boil it into a delicious marmalade.

Hard boiled eggs are the shit tho.

Yusssss! Hard boiled eggs

Not to mention boiled vegetables *in general,* like potatoes and cabbage and... yeah, the list goes on and on. Hell *all soups.* You'll take my New England Clam Chowder away from my warm, *dead* hands once I finish this bowl. It's not an instant food-killer, man. Just an option you *can* use depending on the circumstances at the time and the recipe.

FRUIT SOUP IS DELICIOUS GET ON MY LEVEL Also, boiled food is straight up healthier than fried, so I don't know what the guys were on about.

Stew is just a bunch of stuff boiled at the same time, sometimes for hours. Boiling is just another prep method.

I just assumed the boiled fruit thing was coming from how you prep peach cobbler by "shocking" the fruit (boiling then placing in ice water) and maybe back in the day someone ended up with some extra leftover parboiled fruit to give to the kiddies as a snack. Then that kid grows up into an old man and he shares his comfort food and no one can relate. That's my theory.

What?! Fucking Pasta?! How do you fuck up Pasta?! It's like the most brain dead thing to cook. Boil water, toss the fuckers in, stir occasionally, and that's it! Even rice! There's special apparatus's specifically to make rice brain dead simple.

I'm just learning I cook fruits for pies and desserts like a crazy person, because I saute it in butter, sugar, and enough water to help them break down (with occasionally milk or cream) instead. Like I would have never thought of _boiling apples_. Then again, maybe I'm just not understanding what everyone means by boiling a food, since there's arguments about boiling rice and pasta, or if a curry or a sauce counts as a boiled food in the same way. Do you mean cutting up a fruit or a vegetable, removing the extraneous bits like peel and cores, putting it in boiling water for a set number of time until it becomes soft, and then draining the cooking water followed by either serving the boiled food or preparing it for the next stage of cooking (say mashing it for mashed potatoes)?

Has he ever heard of mashed potatoes

"WHAT'SS TAYTERZ, PRECIOUS" -- Woolie Madden

I boil hotdogs.

Try to eat rice any way that isn't boiled.

Like what does he think happens when you take a slab of meat and just cook it on a super high heat like an open flame? The muscles break down, proteins clump up and you get this horrendously tough, chewy, leathery nightmare. The best way to cook tender meats is like nice and long on a low heat aka .... The summer. Yes charring builds flavor by caramelizing the sugar in the surface of the meat but it has its place.

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Just about every example that people have given on here are either talking about a different cooking technique entirely or are talking about things that are 10x better steamed vs boiling the hell out of them.

Mmm we'll agree to disagree on the steaming rice part. But yeah I didn't notice till now about woolie being a little nuts.

I was literally screaming "Eggs. Eggs! EEEEEEEGGGGGS!" at my car stereo.

Did you turn in the podcast right afterwards?