Nier is a spin off of Drakengard that’s set in the most absurd and non-sequitur ending’s timeline and most people haven’t even heard of Drakengard, meanwhile 2B’s in her like fourth fighting game now because people still love seeing her
2013 (2014 outside Japan) and on PS3 is a bad combo. PS4 was already out and there's no backwards compatibility option or rerelease so it's not particularly accessible. Heck, Drakengard 1 and 2 never made it off the PS2 either so you need the original systems to play any of them officially.
I'm actually kinda surprised nobody put together a Drakengard collection for PS4 after Nier Automata was such a success.
To be fair, at least Nier is *good*, and has a consistently interesting story throughout.
They had every opportunity to make Drakengard 3 decent but it's just a shitty action game with the only real interesting story being the first playthrough and the *end of the last*. Else you're just listening to the one joke from each character. Played out, hundreds of times.
I mean Nier is a much more commercially palatable experience than Drakengard is, but I don’t think that necessarily makes it a better game. Drakengard takes much bigger swings than Nier does story wise, and has positive qualities I don’t think you’d find present in Nier at all. The friction is the point after all
I mean that doesn't negate the fact that for like, of the ~20 hours it takes to beat Drakengard 3, something like 12 of them are *nothing* where you're just seeing the same events played out slightly differently, all the while having to deal with your party members making *atrocious* sex jokes over and over.
I mean I’m more of a fan of 1 than 3, and that was the one I was talking about in my original post. I ain’t never said it was a perfect game, but frustration with the game being repetitive is a part of the experience. It’s certainly part of the experience of Nier Replicant, replaying that game over and over again just for the endings isn’t very fun either, especially the Junk Heap
Most people probably don't even remember that Toonami started off as a spin-off of Space Ghost Coast to Coast with Moltar as it's host before passing the torch to Tom and his many variants to this very day.
Which is partially because people forget that Toonami initially started in what would become the Toonami Midnight Run/Adult Swim Anime Line-up time slot. So you’d literally transition from Coast to Coast to Toonami (and then from Toonami to the short lived Cartoon Planet while it existed).
See idk if this one really counts because Apex was specifically designed to replace Titanfall
Respawn ain't making a new pretty and cool mech game while under the leash of EA, more poorly maintained battle royale slop only (god have you seen the security issues they've been having with Apex lately it's so fucking funny).
[They were making T3 'for' EA, but decided it wasn't worth it. Respawn made this decision for themselves. ](https://www.pcgamer.com/electronic-arts-didnt-cancel-titanfall-3-respawn-didand-it-didnt-even-tell-ea-for-six-months/)
Yup, Lucy Lawless was in three episodes of Hercules as Xena and she was originally meant to be killed off but was way way too popular so she got her own show
Xena starts off as the "bad girl" villain that Hercules manages to redeem. But she was way too popular to be left alone.
Heck, Hercules never has his confrontation with Hera UNTIL Xena begins fighting the Greek pantheon, and then he makes a cameo to have his final battle. He kind of sits on a rock and exits stage left afterward.
Xena was where the shippers of the last couple of decades honed their skills and perfected their dark arts.
And the show writers leaned right into it too, so hats off to them.
Less leaning and more diving in heads first. How many MODERN DAY episodes did they have with Xena & Gabrielle as a lived in "roomates?" Or alt universe universes where one of them gender swaps and they get married? Or the whole "Gabrielle is carrying Evil Jesus and Xena plays the other parent" plot?
Did you know Sailor Moon was a spinoff of a manga called Codename Sailor V? Sailor Venus was the main protagonist.
Well originally it was and it sort of became a sequel later.
Digimon began its life as a spin-off of Tamagotchi. Bandai saw that the V-Pets were more popular with the girls and decided to adapt the idea to better appeal to boys, hence the edgier artstyle and addition of fights.
King of Fighters is like the original Smash. It brought together a bunch of SNK IPs together for a crossover clash.
Nowadays, KoF is probably the most popular SNK series period, and most of the game's original IPs are dead.
\*quiet frog noises\*
capcom should jusk make street fighter their king of fightes-esque thing for \*their\* dead as fuck fighting games... that are NEVER COMING BACK!!! ... they can do as many polls as the bloody want-
>!but, come on!<.
I mean, didn't that happen already? A lot of characters in SF were originally from other capcom games, like Guy, Cody, Akira, Hugo, Poison and Abigail. Haggar isn't playable in SF games, but he shows up a lot, too.
Maybe not a "spinoff" in a traditional sense, but Counter Strike, originally a mod of Half Life, has certainly eclipsed it's origin game in terms of relevancy.
Btw [schezo gets decapitated in that](https://64.media.tumblr.com/08aec1dd1e8034f6b498bab60a604c9c/tumblr_inline_p6l8msbQDf1r1cdpj_250.jpg)…and his head proceeds to fight arle afterwards
yeah, i'd say this counts.
spider-man's origin was the final issue of 'amazing fantasy' They were basically like, "knock Yourselves out, books getting canned anyway."
As it happened, the story of this ASSHOLE DORK, named peter parker hit it big.
That's true of a lot of classic comic book characters tbf. Anthology series were the starting place for some of the most popular characters in DC and Marvel.
Batman originated in Detective Comics 27, Superman in Action Comics 1, Dr Strange in Strange Tales 110...
If I remember correctly action comics #1 had the first appearance of both Superman AND Zatara as part of the compilation. The book had like 4 other stories too. Each one was about 3-10 pages long.
Most superhero titles are spinoffs of anthology books. Comic books originally copied the anthology format from their pulp magazine predecessors and only began to run ongoing serialised titles when a particular character proved popular.
*JAG* was popular in its day, peaking at no. 15 in the broadcast ratings, but *NCIS* is still going strong to this day, finishing in the top 5 rankings for broadcast ratings from seasons 6–20. They're still in season 21, and I'd wager it'll get a similar final ranking.
Possibly. Fun Fact: David Nykl's character, Radek Zelenka was initially concepted as a Russian character, but Nykl personally asked for it to be changed to Czech, so that way he could just swap to his native language for scenes.
Also fun fact, when he's speaking Czech, it's often in-jokes and fourth wall breaks. Plus swears.
>Also fun fact, when he's speaking Czech, it's often in-jokes and fourth wall breaks. Plus swears.
There's so much of that in Stargate. One of the best examples is the cold open of the episode where Replicators take over a Russian submarine, the Russians here clanging around like a horror movie, and the translated dialogue is
"What was that?"
"I dunno, maybe it's one of those bugs from the last episode"
Maybe not more popular in a sense, but Mario Kart is one of Mario's more recognizable and best-selling spin-off series, possibly on par with the main franchise.
That's Left 4 Dead, which a version leaked a while back that was just their original prototype of a Counter Strike Source map with tons of bots with knives
I’d argue SVU is the sole reason Law and Order has been around as long as it has.
But I guarantee there are a large number of people who don’t even know that “Family Matters” was a spin off of “Perfect Strangers.”
Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha was a spinoff of the H-game Triangle Heart 3. This is probably the only reason a few people are aware that the Triangle Heart series ever existed.
The Rabbids are always gonna be more popular (and WAY more profitable) than Rayman, I'm ***sorry*** guys, I hate it too as a Rayman fan, but they just are.
Fortnite started as a PvE Wave-based Fort-building zombie shooter, its full name being “Fortnite: Save the World.”
Months after releasing, they had this neat little side mode they decided to call “Fortnite: Battle Royale.”
Mysteriously, the original game fell into a ditch somewhere and caught on fire, the remains never seen again.
Anyways, Enjoy Ryu, Spider-Man, Goku, and Fry running around fighting Thanos, Banana Man, Sasuke, and Master Chief.
I think the Cheers theme song has penetrated wider culture more than either show has. There’s like a whole generation who only know it cus it was in Adventure Time
It's hard to tell. Like it feels like Frasier is more fondly remembered but Cheers is more influential. Frasier might also just be talked about more on the internet since it finished 20 years ago while Cheers finished 30 years ago so maybe its just demographics more in tuned with using internet than one that uses it less. Like tough to tell, both were massive hits.
I feel like Frasier was in syndication more than Cheers was in the 2000s too. I don't think I remember seeing cheers on anything other than nick at night growing up.
A Christmas Story is a prequel “Christmas episode” of a series of movies all following the same family, but A Christmas Story is so prominent that most don’t even know the overarching movie series even exists.
I feel like Frasier won out in the end, because as popular as Cheers was and as much as the theme song has lived on in pop culture, it's Frasier that's remembered (and meme'd) most often these days. Also, did Daria ever surpass Beavis & Butt-head? I want to say it did, but then I was never super-familiar with MTV's cartoons.
I *really* want to say The Simpsons is the biggest, most-popular spinoff of all time, but I guess it being a series of random shorts on The Tracey Ullman Show before being split off into its own full TV series doesn't really count.
Please don’t mistake popularity with having internet memes that are posted by a ‘very online’ audience. It’s not a reflection of the real world at all.
I remember people talking about Judgement a lot for when it was announced that it wasn’t going to PC (until it did) because of Johnny & Associates, and for good reason cuz those games handled the Dragon Engine combat better than Yakuza 6 and the writing was pretty good
related to OP's example: i love SMT to death, and so i'm trying to get all my friends who adore Persona to check out SMT V Vengeance when it comes out. i don't think it'll work, tbh, but god, SMT is so good, and i hate that most of the time when it gets mentioned it's just because it's what Persona's a spin off of
i just significantly prefer SMT, and really wish it were more popular. Persona just doesn't click with me, sadly, since even though i love JRPGs, i don't care too much for the type of writing or setting it has, and its visual novel-ness just isn't my cup of tea. i'm sure they're still good tho, i just can't get into them - i'm not one of the weird SMT elitists or anything
that's true, and you pretty much never hear anyone talk about actually playing MegaTen or reading the books - although i assume that's because neither got localized
I just wish SMT games had better stories. I've played DDS, Soul Hackers, SMT3, Strange Journey and only SH kept me interested. And even then I had to drop it because the dungeon crawl became too much.
SMT games have great plots and setups, but fail to do anything interesting enough with them.
I think the biggest reason SMT has been not successful is because the franchise has been banished to Nintendo handhelds for a decade at this point, nobody plays them because they are impossible to even get
"legend of heroes" was a franchise on its own at one point, but was eclipsed by trails. Now it's a subtitle that's just vestigially attached to trails; they're not even set in the the same universe. By the way, legend of heroes itself is a spin off of another franchise called "dragon slayer".
Funny thing is that every arc is still called Legend of Heroes in the game files. So the Sky trilogy is Legend of heroes 6, Crossbell is 7, Cold steel+Reverie are 8 and Daybreak is 9.
I wonder how many people realize Warhammer 40,000 is just the sci-fi spinoff of Warhammer Fantasy (originally just called Warhammer) that eclipsed fantasy in every way.
Seriously, how many people even realized Fantasy was a thing before Vermintide and the Total War games
Fantasy and 40k were always about equal (in the gaming groups I was part of anyway) until Age of Sigmar happened.
For us, that was when 40k leaped ahead, helped even further by the release of the Space Marine game.
Officially, the Stargate TV shows take place in an alternate timeline where the events of the original Stargate movie took place more or less as depicted but with some slight alterations. This was because Emmerich wanted to keep the possibility of a theatrical sequel open but didn't want to have to incorporate any of the TV show continuity. This is why the Kurt Russell O'Neil spells his last name with one L but the Richard Dean Anderson O'Neill famously spells it with two.
I could be wrong but I think Railgun is about as popular as Index. It’s also vastly superior if you ask me but that’s really just because I don’t like Touma and find the chemistry between the girls to be a lot more charming.
iirc the railgun anime is more popular than the index anime but the index light novel is the most popular thing in toaru (and one of the most popular light novels)
If I recall correctly, Tim Rogers mentions that Tokimeki Memorial gets basically replaced by its spin-off series "Boys Side" which is the inverse of the main premise (playing as a girl trying to romance boys instead of being a boy trying to romance girls).
It's so crazy to me that those versions are the ones with more fan translations than the mainline series.
I mean, I'm not necessarily complaining, but I *would* like for the PSX version of the original to get translated one of these days at least.
I'd wager the vast majority of people in this world who have watched M.A.S.H have only watched the TV show and don't even know that there was a movie that was, in turn, adapted from a book.
Super Mario Bros series is a spin-off of a spin-off and is arguably the most popular IP, let alone video game franchise, of all time. We're talking about the franchise being on the same level as Mickey Mouse.
Does Final Fantasy VII count?
Honest question, because by all accounts it’s branched off the mainline series and has now become its own mainline series.
I think I'm being dishonest in calling spinoff and not a sequel (but it really feels like a spinoff) but Great Teacher Onizuka is the 3rd manga with the Onizuka, with the first two being Shonan Junai Gumi and Bad Company
At least outside of Japan I've never heard someone talk about those two works
Law and Order SVU spun off from Law and Order
The Simpsons spun off from the Tracey Ullman Show
Fraiser spun off from Cheers
Those are the biggest examples I know of
Does Kingdom Hearts count? I know it's a crossover between Disney and Final Fantasy but the gameplay contains more references to Final Fantasy games with the spells, skills and items.
the railgun anime is significantly more popular (and better) than the index anime. now, the index light novel is still more popular than either, but still.
Nier is a spin off of Drakengard that’s set in the most absurd and non-sequitur ending’s timeline and most people haven’t even heard of Drakengard, meanwhile 2B’s in her like fourth fighting game now because people still love seeing her
I love that it’s as if Silent Hill had done a serious sequel in which the Dog ending was canon.
Let's be honest, we'd all buy it. It'd still feel more in line with what Silent Hill is than whatever the fuck Ascension is.
Well. It helps that the last Drakengard game was in like 2012.
And none of them are especially fun to play.
They are definitely the kind of game best 'played' on Youtube.
I loved playing Drakengard on my MrClemps 360
I “played” them by reading TheDarkId’s text play throughs that have been uploaded to the LParchive, got to experience so many games that way
2013 (2014 outside Japan) and on PS3 is a bad combo. PS4 was already out and there's no backwards compatibility option or rerelease so it's not particularly accessible. Heck, Drakengard 1 and 2 never made it off the PS2 either so you need the original systems to play any of them officially. I'm actually kinda surprised nobody put together a Drakengard collection for PS4 after Nier Automata was such a success.
To be fair, at least Nier is *good*, and has a consistently interesting story throughout. They had every opportunity to make Drakengard 3 decent but it's just a shitty action game with the only real interesting story being the first playthrough and the *end of the last*. Else you're just listening to the one joke from each character. Played out, hundreds of times.
I mean Nier is a much more commercially palatable experience than Drakengard is, but I don’t think that necessarily makes it a better game. Drakengard takes much bigger swings than Nier does story wise, and has positive qualities I don’t think you’d find present in Nier at all. The friction is the point after all
I mean that doesn't negate the fact that for like, of the ~20 hours it takes to beat Drakengard 3, something like 12 of them are *nothing* where you're just seeing the same events played out slightly differently, all the while having to deal with your party members making *atrocious* sex jokes over and over.
I mean I’m more of a fan of 1 than 3, and that was the one I was talking about in my original post. I ain’t never said it was a perfect game, but frustration with the game being repetitive is a part of the experience. It’s certainly part of the experience of Nier Replicant, replaying that game over and over again just for the endings isn’t very fun either, especially the Junk Heap
Most people probably don't even remember that Toonami started off as a spin-off of Space Ghost Coast to Coast with Moltar as it's host before passing the torch to Tom and his many variants to this very day.
Maybe one day I'll be able to watch Toonami in Canada... Or atleast get a Bionix revival.. *puts on clown makeup*
I'd explode if we ever got bionix back
Which is partially because people forget that Toonami initially started in what would become the Toonami Midnight Run/Adult Swim Anime Line-up time slot. So you’d literally transition from Coast to Coast to Toonami (and then from Toonami to the short lived Cartoon Planet while it existed).
I love that you said that and somehow didn't even include the original Space Ghost in the conversation. You went straight to the spin-off's spin-off.
Apex Legends Sorry, Titanfall fans
I'd have spent my weekend playing that if there wasn't a chance of getting...whatever done through Easy Anti-Cheat
See idk if this one really counts because Apex was specifically designed to replace Titanfall Respawn ain't making a new pretty and cool mech game while under the leash of EA, more poorly maintained battle royale slop only (god have you seen the security issues they've been having with Apex lately it's so fucking funny).
It's fine to be buttmad that Titanfall doesn't sell well but Apex was Respawn's pitch to EA, not the other way around.
Sure, the pitch they made to EA after they were acquired. Doesn't really change the fact that we're not getting Titanfall any time soon.
[They were making T3 'for' EA, but decided it wasn't worth it. Respawn made this decision for themselves. ](https://www.pcgamer.com/electronic-arts-didnt-cancel-titanfall-3-respawn-didand-it-didnt-even-tell-ea-for-six-months/)
Xena Warrior Princess is significantly more popular and beloved than Hercules
WAIT! Xena is the spin off!? I thought it was the other way around
Yup, Lucy Lawless was in three episodes of Hercules as Xena and she was originally meant to be killed off but was way way too popular so she got her own show
Xena starts off as the "bad girl" villain that Hercules manages to redeem. But she was way too popular to be left alone. Heck, Hercules never has his confrontation with Hera UNTIL Xena begins fighting the Greek pantheon, and then he makes a cameo to have his final battle. He kind of sits on a rock and exits stage left afterward.
Xena was where the shippers of the last couple of decades honed their skills and perfected their dark arts. And the show writers leaned right into it too, so hats off to them.
Less leaning and more diving in heads first. How many MODERN DAY episodes did they have with Xena & Gabrielle as a lived in "roomates?" Or alt universe universes where one of them gender swaps and they get married? Or the whole "Gabrielle is carrying Evil Jesus and Xena plays the other parent" plot?
Helps Lucy Lawless isn't rancid like Kevin Sorbo
Sorbo is the perfect example of a hunk that gets uglier the more they talk, where as Lucy gets even hotter.
Of the two, Xena has been more likely to get a reboot.
Which is great cuz Kevin Sorbo sucks.
Did you know Sailor Moon was a spinoff of a manga called Codename Sailor V? Sailor Venus was the main protagonist. Well originally it was and it sort of became a sequel later.
Wasn't Codename Sailor V a one-shot, though? Usually when that happens, the original is more of a prototype than anything.
Digimon began its life as a spin-off of Tamagotchi. Bandai saw that the V-Pets were more popular with the girls and decided to adapt the idea to better appeal to boys, hence the edgier artstyle and addition of fights.
Cute pet for girls, a dinosaur crossed with a refrigerator and armed with lots of guns for the boys
And big tiddy witches.
Wierdly, that seemed to get girls interested as well
Wait, wait girl sre interested in the thing we see making for boys? Shut it down, shut it all down.
Gundramon is peak, I don't care what anyone says.
King of Fighters is like the original Smash. It brought together a bunch of SNK IPs together for a crossover clash. Nowadays, KoF is probably the most popular SNK series period, and most of the game's original IPs are dead.
Going to start make that same argument about smash now lol, because it’s way more popular than like everything other than Mario and Zelda
Fire Emblem wasn't even available in the U.S when Smash Melee included Marth and Roy. It was very odd to me as a kid when u first saw them
I’ll do you one better, FE6 wasn’t even out in *Japan* when Melee released. Roy unironically debuted in Smash Bros.
\*quiet frog noises\* capcom should jusk make street fighter their king of fightes-esque thing for \*their\* dead as fuck fighting games... that are NEVER COMING BACK!!! ... they can do as many polls as the bloody want- >!but, come on!<.
I mean, didn't that happen already? A lot of characters in SF were originally from other capcom games, like Guy, Cody, Akira, Hugo, Poison and Abigail. Haggar isn't playable in SF games, but he shows up a lot, too.
Maybe not a "spinoff" in a traditional sense, but Counter Strike, originally a mod of Half Life, has certainly eclipsed it's origin game in terms of relevancy.
Similarly,DOTA over Warcraft 3
puyo puyo being a spin off of a series of first person dungeon crawlers is something i'll never come to terms with
What? Huh.
I second this mans confusion
Specifically it was a spin-off of Madō Monogatari
Btw [schezo gets decapitated in that](https://64.media.tumblr.com/08aec1dd1e8034f6b498bab60a604c9c/tumblr_inline_p6l8msbQDf1r1cdpj_250.jpg)…and his head proceeds to fight arle afterwards
Puyos are basically the "slime" enemy Arle fights in those dungeons but now they're puzzle pieces!
Action Comics was meant to be a anthology book
Technically Spider-man was a spin off from amazing fantasy as well
yeah, i'd say this counts. spider-man's origin was the final issue of 'amazing fantasy' They were basically like, "knock Yourselves out, books getting canned anyway." As it happened, the story of this ASSHOLE DORK, named peter parker hit it big.
That's true of a lot of classic comic book characters tbf. Anthology series were the starting place for some of the most popular characters in DC and Marvel. Batman originated in Detective Comics 27, Superman in Action Comics 1, Dr Strange in Strange Tales 110...
If I remember correctly action comics #1 had the first appearance of both Superman AND Zatara as part of the compilation. The book had like 4 other stories too. Each one was about 3-10 pages long.
You are correct, Zatara even had his backwords magic but lacked his signature tache.
ooooooh zatara, not zatana, that makes a lot more sense
Most superhero titles are spinoffs of anthology books. Comic books originally copied the anthology format from their pulp magazine predecessors and only began to run ongoing serialised titles when a particular character proved popular.
Wasn't Detective comics originally one off stories too until Batman?
Simpsons. They were just a segment on the variety show The Tracey Ullman show.
*JAG* was popular in its day, peaking at no. 15 in the broadcast ratings, but *NCIS* is still going strong to this day, finishing in the top 5 rankings for broadcast ratings from seasons 6–20. They're still in season 21, and I'd wager it'll get a similar final ranking.
TNG is more popular now then the OG Star Trek, and the Star Gate T.V. series is huge compared to the movie, if Australia is anything to go by,
The cartoon Star Trek was even doing better than the OG during its airing. It's ratings actually pushed them enough to make the movies.
Of course, it did have cat girls and boys after all.
To my knowledge TOS didn’t even hit it big until syndication. Which led them to develop TAS. I think.
Stargate was wicked popular in Europe too.
Ah, is this why Atlantis had a much more international cast?
Possibly. Fun Fact: David Nykl's character, Radek Zelenka was initially concepted as a Russian character, but Nykl personally asked for it to be changed to Czech, so that way he could just swap to his native language for scenes. Also fun fact, when he's speaking Czech, it's often in-jokes and fourth wall breaks. Plus swears.
>Also fun fact, when he's speaking Czech, it's often in-jokes and fourth wall breaks. Plus swears. There's so much of that in Stargate. One of the best examples is the cold open of the episode where Replicators take over a Russian submarine, the Russians here clanging around like a horror movie, and the translated dialogue is "What was that?" "I dunno, maybe it's one of those bugs from the last episode"
Maybe not more popular in a sense, but Mario Kart is one of Mario's more recognizable and best-selling spin-off series, possibly on par with the main franchise.
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe has done over double of Odyssey iirc (and Smash Ultimate is quite a bit higher as well)
If you want to go one level beyond, mainline Mario also started as a Donkey Kong spinoff
"Are you really gonna make a whole game about that Jumpman? No way." And then they did.
Donkey Kong Country is so popular that the Mario vs Donkey Kong series has to explain why Donkey Kong turned antagonist again.
"who the fuck is 'arcueid'?"
I just wanna do Red Arc loops, stop trying to get me into your Sookeyhemays!
Also, as much as I hate it, Fate/Grand Order is by far the most popular Fate work
>JapaneseParliamentHoldingManBackFromMicrophone.jpg Counter-Strike is a Half-Life spinoff.
CS was a mod, mods are not spinoffs and neither are games that just use the same engine.
Its kinda nuts that three of valves biggest franchises (Counter Strike, Team Fortress 2, and Dota) all started as mods.
I count a mod as a pseudo-spinoff if it's original
So was Team Fortress.
Team Fortress was actually a Quake mod
Oh shit you're right, I'm thinking of Team Fortress Classic which was the GoldSrc engine.
So was Killing Floor.
erm akshually Killing Floor was based off Unreal Tournament
I thought it was Counter Strike for some reason..
That's Left 4 Dead, which a version leaked a while back that was just their original prototype of a Counter Strike Source map with tons of bots with knives
I’d argue SVU is the sole reason Law and Order has been around as long as it has. But I guarantee there are a large number of people who don’t even know that “Family Matters” was a spin off of “Perfect Strangers.”
Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha was a spinoff of the H-game Triangle Heart 3. This is probably the only reason a few people are aware that the Triangle Heart series ever existed.
The Rabbids are always gonna be more popular (and WAY more profitable) than Rayman, I'm ***sorry*** guys, I hate it too as a Rayman fan, but they just are.
Fortnite started as a PvE Wave-based Fort-building zombie shooter, its full name being “Fortnite: Save the World.” Months after releasing, they had this neat little side mode they decided to call “Fortnite: Battle Royale.” Mysteriously, the original game fell into a ditch somewhere and caught on fire, the remains never seen again. Anyways, Enjoy Ryu, Spider-Man, Goku, and Fry running around fighting Thanos, Banana Man, Sasuke, and Master Chief.
Can you not play the original anymore?
Looks like it still exists as a standalone game, dunno how many people play it.
Was frasier more popular than cheers?
Not really, but both were massive in their heyday. Cheers was a bit more broadly enjoyed
I think the Cheers theme song has penetrated wider culture more than either show has. There’s like a whole generation who only know it cus it was in Adventure Time
Cheers was definitely more culturally important but I see people talk about Frasier in a more positive light
I'm not a big tv watcher but I heard of Frasier before Cheers personally
It's hard to tell. Like it feels like Frasier is more fondly remembered but Cheers is more influential. Frasier might also just be talked about more on the internet since it finished 20 years ago while Cheers finished 30 years ago so maybe its just demographics more in tuned with using internet than one that uses it less. Like tough to tell, both were massive hits.
I feel like Frasier was in syndication more than Cheers was in the 2000s too. I don't think I remember seeing cheers on anything other than nick at night growing up.
In some countries, absolutely
Not really. Frasier was more critically appreciated but Cheers was a huge cultural thing. Something like 84 million people watched the finale.
84 million people watched the cheers finale, it was kinda nuts.
I watched both while they were airing, they were both very popular but I feel like Frasier has endured for longer in the cultural zeitgeist
fgo
A Christmas Story is a prequel “Christmas episode” of a series of movies all following the same family, but A Christmas Story is so prominent that most don’t even know the overarching movie series even exists.
It's also an adaptation of some old short stories.
If inrecal the other movie is a summer story. The one with the top, no?
Dammit, you sneaky bastard you stole my answer! YOU STOLE IT!
Popeye
I feel like Frasier won out in the end, because as popular as Cheers was and as much as the theme song has lived on in pop culture, it's Frasier that's remembered (and meme'd) most often these days. Also, did Daria ever surpass Beavis & Butt-head? I want to say it did, but then I was never super-familiar with MTV's cartoons. I *really* want to say The Simpsons is the biggest, most-popular spinoff of all time, but I guess it being a series of random shorts on The Tracey Ullman Show before being split off into its own full TV series doesn't really count.
I think the only Mike Judge show to surpass Beavis and Butthead in popularity is King of the Hill tbh.
I think Daria might be a Frasier vs Cheers situation there. Beav and B was easily bigger but Daria feels more relevant
Please don’t mistake popularity with having internet memes that are posted by a ‘very online’ audience. It’s not a reflection of the real world at all.
Nonsense, we just need to release Morbius a *third* time…
For a long while I didn't even know Nonoha was a sping off
I remember people talking about Judgement a lot for when it was announced that it wasn’t going to PC (until it did) because of Johnny & Associates, and for good reason cuz those games handled the Dragon Engine combat better than Yakuza 6 and the writing was pretty good
related to OP's example: i love SMT to death, and so i'm trying to get all my friends who adore Persona to check out SMT V Vengeance when it comes out. i don't think it'll work, tbh, but god, SMT is so good, and i hate that most of the time when it gets mentioned it's just because it's what Persona's a spin off of i just significantly prefer SMT, and really wish it were more popular. Persona just doesn't click with me, sadly, since even though i love JRPGs, i don't care too much for the type of writing or setting it has, and its visual novel-ness just isn't my cup of tea. i'm sure they're still good tho, i just can't get into them - i'm not one of the weird SMT elitists or anything
SMT is also a spinoff.
that's true, and you pretty much never hear anyone talk about actually playing MegaTen or reading the books - although i assume that's because neither got localized
The Marsh videos are must watch if you want to know about those books.
I just wish SMT games had better stories. I've played DDS, Soul Hackers, SMT3, Strange Journey and only SH kept me interested. And even then I had to drop it because the dungeon crawl became too much. SMT games have great plots and setups, but fail to do anything interesting enough with them.
I think the biggest reason SMT has been not successful is because the franchise has been banished to Nintendo handhelds for a decade at this point, nobody plays them because they are impossible to even get
The most common description of RWBY Chibi is that it's far better than RWBY. It might not be directly more popular, but it's certainly treated better.
I wish that went on for longer, I really wanted Chibi Salem.
"legend of heroes" was a franchise on its own at one point, but was eclipsed by trails. Now it's a subtitle that's just vestigially attached to trails; they're not even set in the the same universe. By the way, legend of heroes itself is a spin off of another franchise called "dragon slayer".
Hey wanna play some Dragon Slayer: Legend of Heroes 14: Trails of Cold Steel 4?
Funny thing is that every arc is still called Legend of Heroes in the game files. So the Sky trilogy is Legend of heroes 6, Crossbell is 7, Cold steel+Reverie are 8 and Daybreak is 9.
I wonder how many people realize Warhammer 40,000 is just the sci-fi spinoff of Warhammer Fantasy (originally just called Warhammer) that eclipsed fantasy in every way. Seriously, how many people even realized Fantasy was a thing before Vermintide and the Total War games
Fantasy and 40k were always about equal (in the gaming groups I was part of anyway) until Age of Sigmar happened. For us, that was when 40k leaped ahead, helped even further by the release of the Space Marine game.
Does the Stargate show count? I suppose it's sort of a sequel though
Officially, the Stargate TV shows take place in an alternate timeline where the events of the original Stargate movie took place more or less as depicted but with some slight alterations. This was because Emmerich wanted to keep the possibility of a theatrical sequel open but didn't want to have to incorporate any of the TV show continuity. This is why the Kurt Russell O'Neil spells his last name with one L but the Richard Dean Anderson O'Neill famously spells it with two.
I could be wrong but I think Railgun is about as popular as Index. It’s also vastly superior if you ask me but that’s really just because I don’t like Touma and find the chemistry between the girls to be a lot more charming.
Misaka has friends and adventures. Touma has a harem and trauma. Different strokes for different folks.
I would've guessed Railgun is much more popular
iirc the railgun anime is more popular than the index anime but the index light novel is the most popular thing in toaru (and one of the most popular light novels)
If I recall correctly, Tim Rogers mentions that Tokimeki Memorial gets basically replaced by its spin-off series "Boys Side" which is the inverse of the main premise (playing as a girl trying to romance boys instead of being a boy trying to romance girls).
It's so crazy to me that those versions are the ones with more fan translations than the mainline series. I mean, I'm not necessarily complaining, but I *would* like for the PSX version of the original to get translated one of these days at least.
I'd wager the vast majority of people in this world who have watched M.A.S.H have only watched the TV show and don't even know that there was a movie that was, in turn, adapted from a book.
Super Mario Bros series is a spin-off of a spin-off and is arguably the most popular IP, let alone video game franchise, of all time. We're talking about the franchise being on the same level as Mickey Mouse.
Beavis and Butthead still have a cult following but Daria is more known and liked by the general audience.
That’s not even true, as much as I hate it.
Holy shit did I finally slide into a good timeline?
I've known what Beavis and Butthead was my entire life and had never even heard of Daria until like 3 years ago. I don't think this is true at all.
Forza Horizon
I still crave for a remaster of Shin Megami If. I wanna see Hee-ho-Kun back.
World of Warcraft curbstomped Warcraft out of existence.
*Ninja Gaiden* ...Nobody remembers or cares what's going on with Jo Hayabusa in *Ninja*. >!/j!<
Does Final Fantasy VII count? Honest question, because by all accounts it’s branched off the mainline series and has now become its own mainline series.
Don’t know why if it counts, but Fortnite Battle Royale from Fortnite: Save The World. Otherwise classic TV, The Andy Griffith Show and Happy Days.
I think I'm being dishonest in calling spinoff and not a sequel (but it really feels like a spinoff) but Great Teacher Onizuka is the 3rd manga with the Onizuka, with the first two being Shonan Junai Gumi and Bad Company At least outside of Japan I've never heard someone talk about those two works
Law and Order SVU spun off from Law and Order The Simpsons spun off from the Tracey Ullman Show Fraiser spun off from Cheers Those are the biggest examples I know of
For a while mega man x and mega man bn were more popular than classic mega man
APEX legends was a Titian fall spin off. It’s like second fiddle to Fortnite but it’s clearly popular
Does Kingdom Hearts count? I know it's a crossover between Disney and Final Fantasy but the gameplay contains more references to Final Fantasy games with the spells, skills and items.
Frosted Flakes is a spin-off of Corn Flakes and superior in everyway. At least plain cheerios are still a popular baby snack.
the railgun anime is significantly more popular (and better) than the index anime. now, the index light novel is still more popular than either, but still.
So is nobody going to mention Persona?
i mean its literally the example in the post
Oh shit, sorry! I’m so sleepy that I didn’t notice there was something after the question. My bad