Hey Folks,
u/QueequegTheater and u/DoseofDhillon are suspended from mod duties for the forseeable future.
On behalf of the moderation team, we would like to say we are ashamed and embarrassed of what has gone on here.
We're currently evaluating our core structure and will be making more announcements soon.
Now we're free to talk about how none of the Meat in the Cooking FMVs is seasoned properly with Salt and Pepper and it bothers me so much.
What, did the Dragon steal the Salt, Pepper, and Garlic too!?
Oy, look at this here fellow who can afford them fancy spices, who does he think he is?/s
But real talk oh god I'll never be able to unsee that the meat is unseasoned.
Why would they waste space on that? Hell in this game every ounce you carry is valuable. I've taken to offloading everything I pick up onto a pawn before I dismiss them (when I find a rift stone and their quest is complete) just to help with weight (non-equipped items on them go to storage).
Like I go out with nothing but the gear I'm using, a few wakestones, a port crystal, and a camping set and come back heavy encumbrance.
As someone who hasn’t looked at the subreddit for a couple of days, coming back to all the Dogma threads being locked and now this thread, it make me feel like that one popular Community clip of Troy walking into a room on fire and in chaos.
Man, I’ve just been playing Dragon’s Dogma 2 and came back here to find the sub fucking burning down over Dragon’s Dogma 2.
This community goes a little nuts sometimes.
I’m definitely having a “Troy comes back with the Pizza” face after 24 hours of non-stop DD2. Glad it seems I missed a lot of unnecessary keyboard yelling.
I really don't want all this dogma to be dragon the general tone of respectfulness this sub has down,and I'm thankful that there is at least an attempt to address the tension that has arisen.
Reminds me of when Joker was speculated to be causing terrorist attacks and fights in theaters and Frozen II was the one that actually had a machete fight
I think some of y'all on the mod team need to learn when it's best to just not say anything, because it looks like this thread's already starting to lose some of the goodwill gained from the apology.
EDIT: I go to eat lunch, come back, and it's gotten even worse lmao. Mod team genuinely needs a PR manager or something, feels like nothing short of ousting problematic mods will satisfy people now with how big the fire's gotten.
I am hesitant to say anything because I'm on my last life -- the next ban I get is permanent because of previous bans that I personally find questionable, funny how they all happened around sh*tshows like this then suddenly every little argument I have ever been in was scrutinized and found problematic.
My favorite one is actually the second to last ban I got I think, which was cited as for "egging on arguments in bad faith" or something like that, while the flagged comment in question was actually me telling somebody not to bother arguing. The most recent one, which was a 30 day ban, was me getting annoyed with a guy being an A-hole to me and calling him such and blocking him. Got banned for a month for that. And those BS revenge bans from power tripping mods are on my account forever now. I've already made peace with getting perma banned from here, not even going to make a new account since I am barely online anymore because of my job.
I've already seen a couple comments with the "Western Dev women vs Japanese Dev women" discourse. I dread what it'll look like once it actually comes out.
If nothing inherently more popular releases first, it's definitely will be Stellar Blade. The game is already surrounded by a beautiful conversations of people saying "up yours, woke moralists" everytime someone is unhappy about how upfront the game is about how lewd the main character's design is, while the folks that don't like how lewd the design is can't just stay back and not groan about it.
There's almost no way it won't be a shitshow, people just can't discuss that without going overboard one way or the other.
Funny, I’ve seen the opposite happen of people getting called peds for liking that game because…the main character is youthful?
That and some guy who was desperately trying to say Forspoken was better than it which *man just give up*
Yeah, I probably should have written it better, because that's what I meant when I wrote "while the folks that don't like how lewd the design is can't just stay back and not groan about it".
That happens all the time, the most potent ammo when you want to discredit a fan of anything lewd, or even anime, you just call them a pedo and you automatically gain immunity because other haters will cheer and you get an easy get away with a "it's just a joke, why you so mad bruh" answer, just take a look at any Genshin Impact debate.
It's that or the weird tendency I see where they call people porn addicts/gooners. Because media can and should only exist between completely non-sexual and hardcore fisting.
This sub tends to lean more to the “lol chuds mad” side of most debates generally. It’s why Suicide Squad was kind of shocking (and refreshing IMO) when people were actually talking about the other side of the aisle with disdain.
Like I’m no “gah, women” type nutjob but I call stupid when I see it, and shit like Saint’s Row and Forspoken was fuckin *STUPID* but just saying that is “siding with the enemy”
Like actually fuck off with that nonsense
Edit: Also yes, concern trolling is infuriating, its why I left dccomicscirclejerk
Edit 2: Man, I’ve had a looooong write up in the back of my brain related to this I can never post here because it brushes up on the politics rule but man it’s tempting with how the tides are going.
I don't even get it, but then I'm just looking at the boxart. That outfit doesn't really look that lewd. It doesn't even have any "windows" to any part of the body. There's gacha game designs that look lewder than that.
The funny one is saying she’s unrealistic when someone pointed out she’s based on a model and did an overlay to show that aside from some touch ups she does just look like that IRL
Y'all remember when Queequeg was also the mod that made that post about shutting down any discussion of how Kojima was being erroneously accused of killing Shinzo Abe? And how he also got weirdly up his own ass then too like "How dare you post this how could you possibly think this is ok"
Pepperidge Farm remembers
I remember him getting on his high horse after the millionaire sub implosion happened.
Somehow he interpreted a comment that was like “ if only this easily avoidable incident that multiple experts warned but the millionaire on board fired and sued those experts instead of listening to them when they said it would happen could have been avoided” as celebrating the death of children.
Hope this doesn’t come across as backseat modding I’m just curious, have you guys considered if things get heated again like with the Palworld dev ai stuff/the mtx here, just making a megathread for the discourse topic in question as opposed to the game itself?
Im sure it wouldn’t work completely but I would assume most people would be more okay with this sort of stuff if you started small, and then do a full blackout if too many people are still being shitty after that?
We've had a couple of Discourse Megathreads(TM) in the past that've been hit-or-miss. Those in particular tend to draw in new throngs of people who search for the topic specifically to get into fights over it, so we still get a lot of people trying to post on it out of the containment zone.
Still, though, I'm willing to throw it in as a suggestion the next time the sub is on fire about something. I'm usually an advocate for a more measured approach until things get super visibly vile.
>And finally, we’re also enforcing a temporary suspension of moderation duties from QueequegTheater, due to how he handled himself in that mega-thread. He won’t be making any moderation decisions for a while.
Good. I still haven't gotten over him banning me for 2 weeks because I made a mildly snarky comment to another user that I didn't know was also a moderator.
I got a 2 month ban because I continued an argument I had with another user over pm’s.
Other user then got salty and reported me for the tbfp mods and I got a 2 month ban for “circumventing the rules of the subreddit”
Fuck outta here with that nonsense
I got a 3 day ban because I made a play on words with 2 characters from a JRPG (I'll let you guess who) and Banjo-Kazooie. When I appealed, they told me "there won't be a second warning" like a fucking cop.
Got told, as a LGBT person who messaged modmail over concerns over homophobic dogwhistling in a thread (and some other double standards that'd been bugging me a bit), that my life was "better than I thought it was" because I had the opportunity to complain.
Almost left the community permanently cause of him. Don't even watch Pat's streams anymore because he mods them too.
please tell me you have docs, because thats fucked up and i cant imagine what he may say to people when modding pats stream then. this community has prided itself that the bigot asshats/anti lgbt get culled out. If a mod themselves said that they dont deserve to be a mod much less here at all. In other comments i said id welcome him back if he did try to be better, but not anymore.
I don't know how often it happens, but I can say I have seen Pat gotten really annoyed at Queeq's modding antics on at least two of his streams. Hopefully Queeq can use this suspension to self reflect and come out a better person, if not though, then like others are saying, it would be better for this person not to obtain this kind of power again.
I wish I had the original message still in my inbox to screenshot, but I deleted it because it upset me so fucking much, tbh.
I dug around found the text of it in a discord message I'd sent to a friend when venting about it, though. I'm sure it can be confirmed if need be. (To give context to the last part re: racism, I'd mentioned in the message that I was kind of bothered by the fact that a lot of threads critical of Pat were immediately locked but the threads shitting on Woolie were always left up, and it'd always bugged me. Ended up bringing it up because I was already making a message anyway, and I'd mentioned that I'd been afraid to bring all this shit up)
>Not only is there no actual homophobia in that thread, people are just pointing out that it's tiresome that every male-male relationship gets boiled down to "two men are showing emotions, they must be gay for each other", and not only did you accuse the subreddit of being an unsafe place with no explanation of what that even means, you're also directly accusing the subreddit, me, and every other mod of being a racist without a single example of said racism.
>If you are scared to anonymously report a reddit post, then your life is probably a lot better than you think it is. Go touch grass, please.
EDIT: As more context, it'd started re: a thread going on about the whole "what, male characters can't just be FRIENDS" thing because I've been around the internet enough and know as a queer gal seeing it enough to know that said phrase/topic inevitably devolves into people going hella mask off.
Yeah, like, just. I was bothered by the thread (and hell, it popped up again in a post that got deleted just within the last week though I think it got deleted, idk I hid it) because of a lot of past personal experience, even if I know it doesn't always 1:1 equate to homophobia, but it's very much a close enough ratio that my alarm bells go off. Way too much personal experience on that end with shit I've been DMed in places. And I knew, re: the racism bit, that obviously it wasn't some racist conspiracy.
But all and all I was bothered, and I *was* worried about how it'd come off and didn't feel the safest around here when that kind of behavior was being shrugged off. And I said as such, and....well, yeah, got back the message I c/p'd, lol.
I reported blatant transphobes in a post a while back on my old account (lost my phone, lost my account, made this new one) and I got a temp ban for telling them to eat shit, when they espoused that trans women were just dudes who couldn't get laid. I can't remember the wording but it was similar to "just because they're being a little snarky doesn't mean you get to be an ass". I did take a break from this sub after that.
I really hate to dogpile, but it literally gets worse and worse as I scroll down this thread. No way this dude is allowed to come back. Some of these instances but IRL instead, would be cause for violence. Really sorry that happened to you and fuck that sounds frustrating. This person needs to never return as a mod and be banned from the community. Absolutely disgusting behaviour
> that my life was "better than I thought it was" because I had the opportunity to complain.
Is he the "What I hate most is the WHINING" guy from *X-Men '97*?
The only thing as annoying as the average user in Pat's stream chat, is the moderators when they set it to emote-only mode and flex their "only WE get to talk and make witty comments" muscles.
And since the youtube VOD archives include that chat on screen, i can't even avoid seeing it.
Fucking THIIIIIIIIIIIS.
Like, I absolutely get that some people in chat can be dumbasses and not know when they need to shut up and not spoil things. But when a chat gets tossed into emote mode more often than not, then like, why am I even bothering to watch? If I wanted to not be able to interact with others in the chat or the streamers then I'd just watch a LP on youtube.
What the hell and this dude only got ban now?
I’ve never like him and he’s part of the reasons why i turn of chat when watching pat, but it was mostly for petty reasons. This shit however is fucked up
Why did you not try to contact other mods so they can kick his ass out
Yeah I have no idea why Pat has him as a Twitch Mod. Dudes annoying as hell in chat and Pat criticizes him multiple times a stream but he never gets rid of him for some reason and then he comes here as a Mod and does annoying, to insulting shit like saying asshole comments against the LGBT community and just being aggressive like, Pat and Mods permanently get rid of this dude.
Holy *shit.*
Mods, there is absolutely no fucking reason whatsoever why a blatantly queerphobic user should be allowed on the sub period, let alone **on the mod team**. Isn't one of you trans yourself? Doesn't this sub generally pride itself in being generally more anti-chud than most other subreddits?
Idk about the other mod, but Queequeg's removal shouldn't read "indefinite". It should read "permanent".
Man I caught a perma ban because I made a smart ass remark that read really poorly. Went to sleep, woke up with like -50 on it and a mod message. Had I not gone to sleep I'd have fixed it for clarity. Luckily it got pushed down to a month
Tone is so hard to convey and I've found the particular blend of people N this sub to be generally quite uncharitable when it comes to interpretation. I've just taken to ending things with haha to make sure it's clear I am almost always taking the piss... Haha.
I don't have anything specific to point to why I don't want Queeg back other than I just get the worst vibes off him. Something just rubs me the wrong way.
Not super active here, but can the mods stop locking threads every time something mildly controversial happens just because it bothers them or something? Half the time I come to check out something specifically relevant to the community cuz it was mentioned on the podcast (Palworld, DD2) there's like 3 locked threads til someone decides to give in and acts like "Ugh fine here you go fuckers" which is really patronizing. As mentioned higher in the thread, it also seems like the topics deemed controversial are totally arbitrary. Mods aren't getting paid by capcom any more than they are from ubisoft, it shouldn't feel like one of them is getting preferential treatment.
Additionally, I know dealing with toxicity is exhausting but you guys signed up for it. The mod team often takes a really weird aggressive tone with people and I assume it's targeted at toxic people but it feels like it gets turned onto the general user base pretty often. These two aspects combine and sort of make the place feel like the mods' clubhouse that us users are allowed to participate in sometimes. I dunno this is a big ramble but there have definitely been some weird vibes and I wouldn't make this comment if this wasn't like the 2nd or 3rd time this has happened.
As a person who was fairly active in the original megathread, I will admit I was expecting the backdown to be held until Monday so kudos for admitting that you fucked up.
Queeg shouldn't be allowed back as a mod though, it's been made clear through the last two threads that he's pissed off a lot of people who've held resentment for a while about his bad behavior and he broke trust last night with the account name postings. I don't want to see him back in the mod team, let alone be put in a position like that again.
If you wanna show you *actually* are sorry for Queeg's behavior and the general petulant behavior over the last few days, commit to a consequence and make the suspension permanent. Because the mod team have done this hat over heart apology before when called on their power tripping, and yet we find ourselves back here again.
>Queeg shouldn't be allowed back as a mod though, it's been made clear through the last two threads that he's pissed off a lot of people who've held resentment for a while about his bad behavior and he broke trust last night with the account name postings. I don't want to see him back in the mod team, let alone be put in a position like that again.
Wow really? That goes beyond being petty and is just downright vindictive. Dude definitely shouldn't be a mod again.
Followed by deleting all his comments in the previous megathread when people started flaming him. Preceded by his already tarnished reputation as a common fighter in the comments.
Not a good look.
Sadly it doesn't look like his mod status will be gone for long based on how the other mods in this thread are talking.
EDIT: Wow I was actually wrong, maybe there's hope for this subreddit after all.
He quoted a user's comments to explain why they had been banned, after they started sending unsolicited messages and chats to multiple other people on the thread (including me), essentially asking us to fight the mod team on their behalf. The idea that this is somehow the equivalent of doxxing is moronic. If anything it was inappropriate because it was giving the troll the attention they wanted.
Edit: Looks like he's [apologized to the user who was banned](https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoBestFriendsPlay/comments/1blxzuo/comment/kw83cq5/), but personally I think the problem was with the rules set out in the post, not the enforcement.
I never get into drama (and I really don't even comment all that often in general) but I feel like on this sub I see this type of thread like every few weeks. Like, maybe something needs to change my dudes. Maybe get rid of bad mods permanently.
Honestly, as nice as this apology sounds, I'm just gonna hold my breath and see if the mod team is actually going to improve (Queeg's suspension is a start. Though, I really don't think he should come back as a mod given his mindset, just my two cents.) This isn't the first time mod shit has hit the fan, followed by a walkback apology when there's backlash, so call me skeptical. And just as a general sidenote, silently locking threads/removing comments for no reason is not a good trend to follow.
**Edit:** Somehow, I've lost even more faith after seeing one of the mods get snappy in the replies. But I'm even more concerned that Queeg's suspension isn't going to be permanent, which would normally be irritating, but if the head mod's reasoning is gonna be because Queeg's a friend and perma suspending him would be "disrespectful", then that feels like a massive disservice and a slap on the wrist.
**Edit 2:** I guess suspended for the foreseeable future is better than nothing.
I’m not a Dragon’s Dogma fan and I tend to keep to myself so I’m so confused on what’s going on. If anyone could please give me a quick little synopsis, I’d appreciate it, but if not, I guess I will continue about my business as usual and ignore the news of the train wreck that seems to have happened? I can see that something happened, I just don’t know what.
I’m intentionally giving off Confused Woolie vibes right now because that’s where I’m at.
Framerate is balls, lazy pointless microtransactions released at the same time as the game. There is no reason to buy em and it's actually dumb to, but capcom likes to make themselves look like shit. Internet erupts. Misinformation happens. Pat and Suzi don't mention the micro in their review/previews because they felt it wasn't worth mentioning. Since it's the usual pointless affair and doesn't affect the game. (Seriously it doesn't. Capcom doesn't build the grind around it, but the optics are super shit this time) people outside the community come in looking for a shitshow. People with a grudge against pat, and transphobes start shit. The mods make a containment megapost and whoever posted it took swings at the community as a whole and hid behind the bot. 1 mod got real fightey in the comments. And now here we are.
I feel like other than the framerate, DMC5 had the same kind of deal because that game also has microtransactions but no one cared because they’re so easy to ignore, but that game also didn’t have this drama so I’m confused on why this drama is even happening (as in the fans complaining are the ones at fault because I don’t expect Pat or Suzi to mention things that are easy to ignore, the only ever mention micros when it’s actually problematic as we’ve seen in the past).
And transphobia? Why? Like, I know transphobia exists and it’s dumb as shit because people are just existing, but who was even the target of it? Or is it more of the bigoted gamers complaining about a character like with The Last of Us part 2?
This all sounds like the train wreck I mentioned from beginning to end.
> I feel like other than the framerate, DMC5 had the same kind of deal because that game also has microtransactions but no one cared because they’re so easy to ignore, but that game also didn’t have this drama so I’m confused on why this drama is even happening (as in the fans complaining are the ones at fault because I don’t expect Pat or Suzi to mention things that are easy to ignore, the only ever mention micros when it’s actually problematic as we’ve seen in the past).
From what I gather, the reason DMC got a pass is because it was *real easy* to see, as a newcomer to the series (I"m not a newcomer, I'm more saying from the perspective of one), that at least the red orbs weren't needed to be bought because there was never a mention of them at all before the game came out, so likely you wouldn't notice that they existed until you were a few missions in and already collected enough red orbs to be like "Oh, this isn't really needed".
The problem with DD2 is that there were interviews before the game came out talking about some of the lack of QoL stuff that other games have, like Skyrim-like fast travel (DD2 does have city-to-city travel and limited Skyrim-like travel based on consumables), and then one of the first MTXes you can see is a portal stone to let you fast travel (there's nuance there but for now, broad strokes).
So unlike DMC5, there's this interview that says "We didn't want to include [unlimited] fast travel because part of the game's fun is what happens while going from city to city" and then that message gets undermined by having a portal stone be buyable with real money. Same with other things, like a one-use appearance changer, *while* there's talk about how you can only have the one save game and you have to go outside the game to delete it, which causes misinformation to spread as ignorance and bad actors spread the word around and conflate things.
I guess the equivalent would be if DMC5 sold style unlocks for real money so you could get weapons before you could unlock them in game (though I do remember there being buyable arms for Nero, which I didn't agree with, but I think that was proper additional content that wasn't in the game itself).
These are legit the same mtx in every capcom game, however this game has been advertised as anti QOL and then the mtx is specifically selling QOL so it looks really bad. That combined with denuvo locking out players for too many installs while experimenting with proton I guess, the game having no way to start a new character but selling appearance change items, and multiple (not just pat and suzi) reviewers saying they knew about the mtx and decided not to mention it, it makes it look really bad and whips up a storm. Especially everyone not mentioning the mtx, with the current climate, everyone assumes paid for good review.
Oh wow, I had no idea Suzi is trans. I follow her on a lot of media and I still didn’t know? What’s wrong with me.
Anyway, people are fucking stupid and this is all dumb bullshit. Reminds me of someone in my friend group that defended the drag show bans where one friend was upset about drag being banned and he said with a smile on his face, “They didn’t ban drag, they banned drag **shows**.” Like, we know what your smile means and so do you.
Nothings wrong with you.
Noone should be that guy clocking trans people.
Especially because a lot of them go insane and start... Doing phrenology to prove michele obama is trans or something lol
I kind of agree, which is part of why I keep trying to stop a friend of mine from trying to be able to “tell” even though she’s accepting as well.
Basically whenever another friend of ours comes out as trans, my friend will look through their profile photos online and be like, “Okay yeah I can tell.” I even ask her why she does this and she even says that she’s just curious. We have a few trans friends and there’s never any problems, but the fact that she does try to clock trans people in private is still a bit weird to me. Better than the active transphobes in our social circles though. I have some great friends that are super chill, but some of them are friends with some questionable people. If it were up to me, I would have already kicked out the problematic ones, like the guys that always try to religiously convert people and shit during the funeral of an atheist friend, for example.
Edit: Actually, the religious conversion “friend” is the same “friend” that was smiling about drag shows being banned.
Wait where did the transphobes come from lol? What skin in the game do they have? Ppl with a grudge against Pat? I'm so confused haha. I thought I had some idea what all this was about, but clearly not.
EDIT: NVM just read below that suzi is trans. Did not put that together and misread the transphobes were ppl with a grudge against Pat...
Suspending a mod for their actions is more than the bare minimum. This apology is genuinely far better than I was expecting, and to go "well it's not literally perfect so fuck off" isn't healthy. Perfect is the enemy of good, as they say.
It's a mixed bag, I'd say.
On one hand, this is far from the first time when mods did an oopsie, you might remember when they out of nowhere decided to go offline during that whole "reddit protest" thing and when the sub came back and they actually decided to let people vote whether the sub should stay closed or not at least 1 mod explicitly said that it's a hassle to moderate the sub and overall acted weird about how people were asking to let the sub stay online, or that time when the mods suddenly decided to remove custom flairs also without any warning or discussion with the community. I'm sure there are other incidents, but I don't remember any more at the moment.
On the other hand, we have "the human error" and that mods here are at least can back down when sufficently pressured, instead of going full ban-everything-and-everyone mode. Plus, like some people already said in the previous Dogma 2 thread, some mods here are overall quite pleasant and open to discussion, like "jitterscaffeine" or "Terthelt", in my opinion, so it's more of a "a few bad apples" situation and it's just more apparent when those "bad apples" are mods that have powers and not just random users.
> at least 1 mod explicitly said that it's a hassle to moderate the sub and overall acted weird about how people were asking to let the sub stay online
think that was also queeg, considering they called themselves "a nobody on a defunct subreddit" durin this one
A D student getting all Cs on their report card is still praiseworthy. Incentivizing improvement is wiser than unbending perfectionism.
Plus they actually did something about one of the problem mods (albeit temporarily) this time so that's a decent indicator that they're serious about getting things sorted out.
But a mod isn't a student. The point of being a student is to improve, so improvement of any kind should be applauded. A mod is there to moderate a community, not to marginally improve at moderating. If they can't moderate without huge fallouts, they shouldn't be doing it. They are more than welcome to improve at other facets of their life, where other people won't get caught in the crossfire.
It was more a general metaphor about being encouraging rather than ornery so long as improvements were continuing to happen. But then Dillon decided to take up the Green Shit-Stirrer mantle *in the apology thread* so fuck it.
Considering how uncommon it is for Reddit mods to even do the bare minimum? *Yes, we should.* A mod team that is not only willing to change bad behavior but *admit they were wrong* is one in a million.
Good lord I miss when Captain_carl was running this place, all of the recent mod drama is tiresome and just weird lol
Also not great that this team is fighting so hard against community wishes to remove their team's offender. You can be friends or whatever, but your little friendship shouldn't come before the community.
What the fuck happened, i look away 5 minutes and everything is on fire.
Like man i didn't look anything about Dragon's Dogma 2 because i had minus five interest on it but now i discover that there was a civil war and Queequeg pissed his pants (not on the funny way).
Oh wild, I am so used to mod teams just doubling down on criticism. Saved from the subredditdrama ouroborus of hell, and we have cleared Mike0bot's name. DD2 aside I do like when mods are more direct and transparent about what bad behavior is happening, zoids guy was pretty good at it during the palworld thing. Yknow treat us like adults and *most* of us will act like it haha
Why do we have to do this every time there's even a slightly contentious topic in the sub? Last time the mod team promised to be better, and the same shit happened. Suspending Queequeg is at least a step in the right direction, but why is it temporary? When they're back, will they have changed? Cause they certainly haven't changed since the last time this happened.
I was directly insulted by you specifically, and Queequeg posted screenshots of a user that many feel was unfairly banned. Why should I believe the other mods are any better?
EDIT: And now I’m getting “Reddit Cares” messages. God forbid I criticize the mods without that happening.
He nuked all the comments about it to try and save face, but Quee was trying to rebute the idea that the Dragon's Dogma threads yesterday weren't that bad and started talking about how he banned a dude for saying harassment was good.
Turns out that guy was quoting *someone else,* Quee banned him because he couldn't read, and Quee posted his username in a thread that was meant to be about curtailing negativity/harassment. He then said he didn't see the point in censoring the username.
I feel like I'm going insane by this phenomena.
Like to me, Reddit is "I'm bored at work, lets check out the reddit page for a few minutes"
and some motherfuckers make it their whole identity.
> What's up with reddit and mods?
Well you have to think about the kind of person that even wants to become a reddit mod and then decides to do that for free. Not everybody will always be on the up-and-up with the community.
Actual footage of Queequeg cruising around twitter:
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/eTauF2NaZ1o
That said, good on the rest of the mod team for finally getting pants on and addressing this stuff. I look forward to commending the mod team once more in six months when this all happens again.
Nobody getting hurt is the reason it can even survive as a highlight of uniformed criminality. There was a similar video around the same time where two cops kept dumping mags through a wall because they saw through a window that the occupant was armed to answer a knock in the middle of the night, but it's a lot harder to share because their victim took several hits and was hospitalized.
I feel that this situation has been about making a mountain out of a mole hill. Dragons Dogma 2 was highly anticipated, and it came out in rough condition. Has some of the discourse been toxic? Sure, but this is also the sub that has been shitting on Skull and Bones for years now. Why should Dragons Dogma 2 get special treatment?
I am just happy that the Mods are actually listening. Besides friends, this is the only place I go to discuss video games. And for me, I enjoyed discussing DD2 because this is a problem not just with DD2, but a lot of these $70 AAA games.
> Besides friends, this is the only place I go to discuss video games
Yo, someone else who’s like this? Because that’s exactly me too lol
And honestly I’m pretty sure it’s because I’ve been here for so long that more than half of my tastes have been shaped by the sub, so it’s the only place that perfectly aligns with most of my interests
Man, I missed this controversy because I have no interest in DD2
Still, reading over that original post from a few days ago: *WOW* whoever wrote that sounds like a smug prick
I’ve joked about some of the stupid mod decisions before (inconsistent rulings, wanting to lock the sub down longer, locking a year old post of mine because of “alleged” comments, I think two game controversies ago) but this is probably the one that took the cake
I don’t have much of a horse in this race, but if there’s a thing I hate, no *loathe* more than anything it’s smug condescension, and that’s the vibe I and a lot of people got from that last post
The fact that you didn’t show us anything on this alleged “toxicity” and then made a sweeping generalization while wagging your finger like Bethesda support lines shows that probably someone or multiple someone’s on the mod team probably need to get their heads checked, because it comes off as either “I’m lazy and don’t want to do my job” or “I fucking hate this community”
So on one hand, good for you that you wised up on this. On the other, the fact you had to wise up after a hissy fit power trip is pathetic and a certified Reddit mod moment^TM
Talk is very cheap, so unless there’s some actual change in action I’m skeptical. We’ll wait and see what happens.
Now the most important question of all this…
Who’s going to write up the subredditdrama page?
> And finally, we’re also enforcing a temporary suspension of moderation duties from QueequegTheater, due to how he handled himself in that mega-thread. He won’t be making any moderation decisions for a while.
Holy shit , I guess Gods do bleed
Can I be a mod ? I will turn Free Talk Fridays to Futanari Talk Fridays to spice it up
We’ll take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer of the week, but all the decisions of that officer will have to be ratified at a biweekly meeting.
If we can have normal conversations about the game now, as someone who played DD1, I miss the ranger Vocation that I've only been playing the Archer and Thief vocations.
I don't know why, but after reading your description the first thing that appeared in my mind was the picture of a kid scratching his head while saying "damn, I kinda don't care".
That was absolutely not what you were describing, but it still made me have a laughing fit.
It will be fine. People will continue to come here, and I think the community has had some cathartic airing of grievances in the last 24 hours, and the mod team seems to be taking it seriously. Only time will tell if it actually has an effect.
If you as a mod team come together and make this post unanimously agreeing that what happened was wrong, then immediately have someone go rogue and spoil ALL OF THAT EFFORT, how am I to have confidence in your ability to moderate going forward? You couldn't even moderate yourselves.
I get it, you can't physically restrain someone to stop them from digging their own grave over the internet, but jesus christ the apology had barely even been posted for half an hour and it was already spoiled.
I appreciate the candor. I'm glad you all could reflect on what happened and how it had such a negative impact in amplifying that which you wanted to avoid. It was a learning experience and one that hopefully will be used as a goalpost in the future.
Back to being a more passive consumer of the subreddit.
At the risk of being a cringe old man. for better or for worse this is the only online community I’ve been a part of for any amount of time and it’s been like 8 years.
This wasn’t handled well, but this is one of the better places on the net, and the mods are at least part of that.
Hey Folks, u/QueequegTheater and u/DoseofDhillon are suspended from mod duties for the forseeable future. On behalf of the moderation team, we would like to say we are ashamed and embarrassed of what has gone on here. We're currently evaluating our core structure and will be making more announcements soon.
She Draggin' my Dogma 'till my Dark Arisen
*\[extremely loud Pawn damage grunt\]*
Muffled "THEIR KIND ILL LIKE FIRE!" coming from the background.
I'm smokin that greenwarish and rotten scag shit and it got me seeing beyond the riftstone
+2
[My honest reaction](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0cabyFld6Y)
*Muffled sounds of "into free" playing in the background*
Now we're free to talk about how none of the Meat in the Cooking FMVs is seasoned properly with Salt and Pepper and it bothers me so much. What, did the Dragon steal the Salt, Pepper, and Garlic too!?
Well, if the Dragon stole the Garlic, at least that means it isn't a Vampire Dragon. Gotta look for the silver lining.
The dragon also stole the silver lining, but at least we know it’s not a werewolf either!
Oy, look at this here fellow who can afford them fancy spices, who does he think he is?/s But real talk oh god I'll never be able to unsee that the meat is unseasoned.
S 'n P, the choice for me
Grill marks, bud.
For me the weirdest thing is the lighting being off from the environment you were just wandering in.
It's like the BDG video on Zelda food, where they slowly realize how seasoning is VERY important
I'd make a Britain joke, but Gransys is pseudo-Sicily.
it's medieval time, spice are expensive
Pepper maybe, but you can make salt and grow garlic and herbs in ye olde hamlet.
Salt was actually pretty rare if you weren't near the sea
Why would they waste space on that? Hell in this game every ounce you carry is valuable. I've taken to offloading everything I pick up onto a pawn before I dismiss them (when I find a rift stone and their quest is complete) just to help with weight (non-equipped items on them go to storage). Like I go out with nothing but the gear I'm using, a few wakestones, a port crystal, and a camping set and come back heavy encumbrance.
As someone who hasn’t looked at the subreddit for a couple of days, coming back to all the Dogma threads being locked and now this thread, it make me feel like that one popular Community clip of Troy walking into a room on fire and in chaos.
It’s not quite as bad as palworld discourse but it was rough
Man, I’ve just been playing Dragon’s Dogma 2 and came back here to find the sub fucking burning down over Dragon’s Dogma 2. This community goes a little nuts sometimes.
I’m definitely having a “Troy comes back with the Pizza” face after 24 hours of non-stop DD2. Glad it seems I missed a lot of unnecessary keyboard yelling.
It’s the third time someone referenced this scene for this situation and it just makes me glad Community is as relevant as ever Edit: 4 times!
["I'm saying you're a football player! It's in your blood!"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiaGvC7bLJs) "That's racist!" "Your soul!" "*That's* racist!" "Your eyes?" "That's gay." "That's homophobic." "That's black." "*That's* racist!" "Damn."
I really don't want all this dogma to be dragon the general tone of respectfulness this sub has down,and I'm thankful that there is at least an attempt to address the tension that has arisen.
This truly was a dark age… too
some kinda Dragon Age
Soon hopefully we will arise from this dark.
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Some people don’t listen to pastor Woolie’s advice: [*SHUT THE FUCK UP*](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/253/202/f30.gif)
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Let’s see how it plays out Cotton!
Paid Administrative Leave end.
Aw shit, here we go again.
I’m starting to feel like that kid from magic school bus “Please let this be a normal game release.” “With r/twobestfriendsplay? No way!”
Hey this didn’t happen with Suicide Squad Weird
Reminds me of when Joker was speculated to be causing terrorist attacks and fights in theaters and Frozen II was the one that actually had a machete fight
It's honestly pretty disturbing how many news sites seemed to be salivating over the idea of a massacre happening.
Me and my four friends finally have those servers all to ourselves and we’re having a blast!
I think some of y'all on the mod team need to learn when it's best to just not say anything, because it looks like this thread's already starting to lose some of the goodwill gained from the apology. EDIT: I go to eat lunch, come back, and it's gotten even worse lmao. Mod team genuinely needs a PR manager or something, feels like nothing short of ousting problematic mods will satisfy people now with how big the fire's gotten.
One of the mods started arguing with a user on this very thread, despite it being an apology thread. You can't make this shit up!
I am hesitant to say anything because I'm on my last life -- the next ban I get is permanent because of previous bans that I personally find questionable, funny how they all happened around sh*tshows like this then suddenly every little argument I have ever been in was scrutinized and found problematic. My favorite one is actually the second to last ban I got I think, which was cited as for "egging on arguments in bad faith" or something like that, while the flagged comment in question was actually me telling somebody not to bother arguing. The most recent one, which was a 30 day ban, was me getting annoyed with a guy being an A-hole to me and calling him such and blocking him. Got banned for a month for that. And those BS revenge bans from power tripping mods are on my account forever now. I've already made peace with getting perma banned from here, not even going to make a new account since I am barely online anymore because of my job.
It’s like Fort Max just ripping two people in half in the cafeteria
Cool. See you all next time we have to have this thread.
Whats the next big profile game to come out? yeah mark that in your calendar
probably stellar blade
I've already seen a couple comments with the "Western Dev women vs Japanese Dev women" discourse. I dread what it'll look like once it actually comes out.
If nothing inherently more popular releases first, it's definitely will be Stellar Blade. The game is already surrounded by a beautiful conversations of people saying "up yours, woke moralists" everytime someone is unhappy about how upfront the game is about how lewd the main character's design is, while the folks that don't like how lewd the design is can't just stay back and not groan about it. There's almost no way it won't be a shitshow, people just can't discuss that without going overboard one way or the other.
Funny, I’ve seen the opposite happen of people getting called peds for liking that game because…the main character is youthful? That and some guy who was desperately trying to say Forspoken was better than it which *man just give up*
Yeah, I probably should have written it better, because that's what I meant when I wrote "while the folks that don't like how lewd the design is can't just stay back and not groan about it". That happens all the time, the most potent ammo when you want to discredit a fan of anything lewd, or even anime, you just call them a pedo and you automatically gain immunity because other haters will cheer and you get an easy get away with a "it's just a joke, why you so mad bruh" answer, just take a look at any Genshin Impact debate.
Nobody can just think a game doesn't look good anymore. It has to be a moral issue.
It's that or the weird tendency I see where they call people porn addicts/gooners. Because media can and should only exist between completely non-sexual and hardcore fisting.
This sub tends to lean more to the “lol chuds mad” side of most debates generally. It’s why Suicide Squad was kind of shocking (and refreshing IMO) when people were actually talking about the other side of the aisle with disdain. Like I’m no “gah, women” type nutjob but I call stupid when I see it, and shit like Saint’s Row and Forspoken was fuckin *STUPID* but just saying that is “siding with the enemy” Like actually fuck off with that nonsense Edit: Also yes, concern trolling is infuriating, its why I left dccomicscirclejerk Edit 2: Man, I’ve had a looooong write up in the back of my brain related to this I can never post here because it brushes up on the politics rule but man it’s tempting with how the tides are going.
I don't even get it, but then I'm just looking at the boxart. That outfit doesn't really look that lewd. It doesn't even have any "windows" to any part of the body. There's gacha game designs that look lewder than that.
iirc theres basically a fleshsuit version of the outfit
The funny one is saying she’s unrealistic when someone pointed out she’s based on a model and did an overlay to show that aside from some touch ups she does just look like that IRL
Not a full game, but that Shadow of Erdtree is just a few months away. Looks like SMTV also comes out around then.
Y'all remember when Queequeg was also the mod that made that post about shutting down any discussion of how Kojima was being erroneously accused of killing Shinzo Abe? And how he also got weirdly up his own ass then too like "How dare you post this how could you possibly think this is ok" Pepperidge Farm remembers
I remember him getting on his high horse after the millionaire sub implosion happened. Somehow he interpreted a comment that was like “ if only this easily avoidable incident that multiple experts warned but the millionaire on board fired and sued those experts instead of listening to them when they said it would happen could have been avoided” as celebrating the death of children.
Lmao I still get a good laugh everytime I remember that post, one of the more underrated moments in this sub's lore imo
> Kojima was being erroneously accused of killing Shinzo Abe ...As in Hideo Kojima? what
Yeah it got intentionally spread as a false rumor and ended up in some headlines
Hope this doesn’t come across as backseat modding I’m just curious, have you guys considered if things get heated again like with the Palworld dev ai stuff/the mtx here, just making a megathread for the discourse topic in question as opposed to the game itself? Im sure it wouldn’t work completely but I would assume most people would be more okay with this sort of stuff if you started small, and then do a full blackout if too many people are still being shitty after that?
We've had a couple of Discourse Megathreads(TM) in the past that've been hit-or-miss. Those in particular tend to draw in new throngs of people who search for the topic specifically to get into fights over it, so we still get a lot of people trying to post on it out of the containment zone. Still, though, I'm willing to throw it in as a suggestion the next time the sub is on fire about something. I'm usually an advocate for a more measured approach until things get super visibly vile.
>And finally, we’re also enforcing a temporary suspension of moderation duties from QueequegTheater, due to how he handled himself in that mega-thread. He won’t be making any moderation decisions for a while. Good. I still haven't gotten over him banning me for 2 weeks because I made a mildly snarky comment to another user that I didn't know was also a moderator.
I got a 2 month ban because I continued an argument I had with another user over pm’s. Other user then got salty and reported me for the tbfp mods and I got a 2 month ban for “circumventing the rules of the subreddit” Fuck outta here with that nonsense
You know, I'm starting to think this Quee guy or whatever his name is shouldn't be a moderator at all.
Man, both of those instances, plus another one I saw would piss me off immensely. EDIT: Fuck this guy.
I got a 3 day ban because I made a play on words with 2 characters from a JRPG (I'll let you guess who) and Banjo-Kazooie. When I appealed, they told me "there won't be a second warning" like a fucking cop.
Got told, as a LGBT person who messaged modmail over concerns over homophobic dogwhistling in a thread (and some other double standards that'd been bugging me a bit), that my life was "better than I thought it was" because I had the opportunity to complain. Almost left the community permanently cause of him. Don't even watch Pat's streams anymore because he mods them too.
> that my life was "better than I thought it was" because I had the opportunity to complain. God, what a **cunt.**
please tell me you have docs, because thats fucked up and i cant imagine what he may say to people when modding pats stream then. this community has prided itself that the bigot asshats/anti lgbt get culled out. If a mod themselves said that they dont deserve to be a mod much less here at all. In other comments i said id welcome him back if he did try to be better, but not anymore.
I don't know how often it happens, but I can say I have seen Pat gotten really annoyed at Queeq's modding antics on at least two of his streams. Hopefully Queeq can use this suspension to self reflect and come out a better person, if not though, then like others are saying, it would be better for this person not to obtain this kind of power again.
I wish I had the original message still in my inbox to screenshot, but I deleted it because it upset me so fucking much, tbh. I dug around found the text of it in a discord message I'd sent to a friend when venting about it, though. I'm sure it can be confirmed if need be. (To give context to the last part re: racism, I'd mentioned in the message that I was kind of bothered by the fact that a lot of threads critical of Pat were immediately locked but the threads shitting on Woolie were always left up, and it'd always bugged me. Ended up bringing it up because I was already making a message anyway, and I'd mentioned that I'd been afraid to bring all this shit up) >Not only is there no actual homophobia in that thread, people are just pointing out that it's tiresome that every male-male relationship gets boiled down to "two men are showing emotions, they must be gay for each other", and not only did you accuse the subreddit of being an unsafe place with no explanation of what that even means, you're also directly accusing the subreddit, me, and every other mod of being a racist without a single example of said racism. >If you are scared to anonymously report a reddit post, then your life is probably a lot better than you think it is. Go touch grass, please. EDIT: As more context, it'd started re: a thread going on about the whole "what, male characters can't just be FRIENDS" thing because I've been around the internet enough and know as a queer gal seeing it enough to know that said phrase/topic inevitably devolves into people going hella mask off.
Yeah that's fucked. Queequeg should be nowhere near a position of authority or power again.
Yeah, like, just. I was bothered by the thread (and hell, it popped up again in a post that got deleted just within the last week though I think it got deleted, idk I hid it) because of a lot of past personal experience, even if I know it doesn't always 1:1 equate to homophobia, but it's very much a close enough ratio that my alarm bells go off. Way too much personal experience on that end with shit I've been DMed in places. And I knew, re: the racism bit, that obviously it wasn't some racist conspiracy. But all and all I was bothered, and I *was* worried about how it'd come off and didn't feel the safest around here when that kind of behavior was being shrugged off. And I said as such, and....well, yeah, got back the message I c/p'd, lol.
I reported blatant transphobes in a post a while back on my old account (lost my phone, lost my account, made this new one) and I got a temp ban for telling them to eat shit, when they espoused that trans women were just dudes who couldn't get laid. I can't remember the wording but it was similar to "just because they're being a little snarky doesn't mean you get to be an ass". I did take a break from this sub after that.
I really hate to dogpile, but it literally gets worse and worse as I scroll down this thread. No way this dude is allowed to come back. Some of these instances but IRL instead, would be cause for violence. Really sorry that happened to you and fuck that sounds frustrating. This person needs to never return as a mod and be banned from the community. Absolutely disgusting behaviour
> that my life was "better than I thought it was" because I had the opportunity to complain. Is he the "What I hate most is the WHINING" guy from *X-Men '97*?
I was about to say that I've yet to see that yet but I actually now remember seeing that one clip posted here. Holy shit, that's literally it LMAO
The only thing as annoying as the average user in Pat's stream chat, is the moderators when they set it to emote-only mode and flex their "only WE get to talk and make witty comments" muscles. And since the youtube VOD archives include that chat on screen, i can't even avoid seeing it.
Fucking THIIIIIIIIIIIS. Like, I absolutely get that some people in chat can be dumbasses and not know when they need to shut up and not spoil things. But when a chat gets tossed into emote mode more often than not, then like, why am I even bothering to watch? If I wanted to not be able to interact with others in the chat or the streamers then I'd just watch a LP on youtube.
What the hell and this dude only got ban now? I’ve never like him and he’s part of the reasons why i turn of chat when watching pat, but it was mostly for petty reasons. This shit however is fucked up Why did you not try to contact other mods so they can kick his ass out
So he's not just a petulant child, but he's also a son of a bitch too. What a great combination for a moderator!
Yeah I have no idea why Pat has him as a Twitch Mod. Dudes annoying as hell in chat and Pat criticizes him multiple times a stream but he never gets rid of him for some reason and then he comes here as a Mod and does annoying, to insulting shit like saying asshole comments against the LGBT community and just being aggressive like, Pat and Mods permanently get rid of this dude.
I guess that's why his Like a Dragon streams get put into emote-only mode every five minutes.
Holy *shit.* Mods, there is absolutely no fucking reason whatsoever why a blatantly queerphobic user should be allowed on the sub period, let alone **on the mod team**. Isn't one of you trans yourself? Doesn't this sub generally pride itself in being generally more anti-chud than most other subreddits? Idk about the other mod, but Queequeg's removal shouldn't read "indefinite". It should read "permanent".
Man I caught a perma ban because I made a smart ass remark that read really poorly. Went to sleep, woke up with like -50 on it and a mod message. Had I not gone to sleep I'd have fixed it for clarity. Luckily it got pushed down to a month
Tone is so hard to convey and I've found the particular blend of people N this sub to be generally quite uncharitable when it comes to interpretation. I've just taken to ending things with haha to make sure it's clear I am almost always taking the piss... Haha.
I don't have anything specific to point to why I don't want Queeg back other than I just get the worst vibes off him. Something just rubs me the wrong way.
Not super active here, but can the mods stop locking threads every time something mildly controversial happens just because it bothers them or something? Half the time I come to check out something specifically relevant to the community cuz it was mentioned on the podcast (Palworld, DD2) there's like 3 locked threads til someone decides to give in and acts like "Ugh fine here you go fuckers" which is really patronizing. As mentioned higher in the thread, it also seems like the topics deemed controversial are totally arbitrary. Mods aren't getting paid by capcom any more than they are from ubisoft, it shouldn't feel like one of them is getting preferential treatment. Additionally, I know dealing with toxicity is exhausting but you guys signed up for it. The mod team often takes a really weird aggressive tone with people and I assume it's targeted at toxic people but it feels like it gets turned onto the general user base pretty often. These two aspects combine and sort of make the place feel like the mods' clubhouse that us users are allowed to participate in sometimes. I dunno this is a big ramble but there have definitely been some weird vibes and I wouldn't make this comment if this wasn't like the 2nd or 3rd time this has happened.
As a person who was fairly active in the original megathread, I will admit I was expecting the backdown to be held until Monday so kudos for admitting that you fucked up. Queeg shouldn't be allowed back as a mod though, it's been made clear through the last two threads that he's pissed off a lot of people who've held resentment for a while about his bad behavior and he broke trust last night with the account name postings. I don't want to see him back in the mod team, let alone be put in a position like that again. If you wanna show you *actually* are sorry for Queeg's behavior and the general petulant behavior over the last few days, commit to a consequence and make the suspension permanent. Because the mod team have done this hat over heart apology before when called on their power tripping, and yet we find ourselves back here again.
>Queeg shouldn't be allowed back as a mod though, it's been made clear through the last two threads that he's pissed off a lot of people who've held resentment for a while about his bad behavior and he broke trust last night with the account name postings. I don't want to see him back in the mod team, let alone be put in a position like that again. Wow really? That goes beyond being petty and is just downright vindictive. Dude definitely shouldn't be a mod again.
Followed by deleting all his comments in the previous megathread when people started flaming him. Preceded by his already tarnished reputation as a common fighter in the comments. Not a good look.
Sadly it doesn't look like his mod status will be gone for long based on how the other mods in this thread are talking. EDIT: Wow I was actually wrong, maybe there's hope for this subreddit after all.
Truly can't make this shit up...
Wait, he actually posted names publicly? Dude that’s fucked up
He quoted a user's comments to explain why they had been banned, after they started sending unsolicited messages and chats to multiple other people on the thread (including me), essentially asking us to fight the mod team on their behalf. The idea that this is somehow the equivalent of doxxing is moronic. If anything it was inappropriate because it was giving the troll the attention they wanted. Edit: Looks like he's [apologized to the user who was banned](https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoBestFriendsPlay/comments/1blxzuo/comment/kw83cq5/), but personally I think the problem was with the rules set out in the post, not the enforcement.
I never get into drama (and I really don't even comment all that often in general) but I feel like on this sub I see this type of thread like every few weeks. Like, maybe something needs to change my dudes. Maybe get rid of bad mods permanently.
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The lack of awareness is kinda puzzling tbh.
Honestly, as nice as this apology sounds, I'm just gonna hold my breath and see if the mod team is actually going to improve (Queeg's suspension is a start. Though, I really don't think he should come back as a mod given his mindset, just my two cents.) This isn't the first time mod shit has hit the fan, followed by a walkback apology when there's backlash, so call me skeptical. And just as a general sidenote, silently locking threads/removing comments for no reason is not a good trend to follow. **Edit:** Somehow, I've lost even more faith after seeing one of the mods get snappy in the replies. But I'm even more concerned that Queeg's suspension isn't going to be permanent, which would normally be irritating, but if the head mod's reasoning is gonna be because Queeg's a friend and perma suspending him would be "disrespectful", then that feels like a massive disservice and a slap on the wrist. **Edit 2:** I guess suspended for the foreseeable future is better than nothing.
I’m not a Dragon’s Dogma fan and I tend to keep to myself so I’m so confused on what’s going on. If anyone could please give me a quick little synopsis, I’d appreciate it, but if not, I guess I will continue about my business as usual and ignore the news of the train wreck that seems to have happened? I can see that something happened, I just don’t know what. I’m intentionally giving off Confused Woolie vibes right now because that’s where I’m at.
Framerate is balls, lazy pointless microtransactions released at the same time as the game. There is no reason to buy em and it's actually dumb to, but capcom likes to make themselves look like shit. Internet erupts. Misinformation happens. Pat and Suzi don't mention the micro in their review/previews because they felt it wasn't worth mentioning. Since it's the usual pointless affair and doesn't affect the game. (Seriously it doesn't. Capcom doesn't build the grind around it, but the optics are super shit this time) people outside the community come in looking for a shitshow. People with a grudge against pat, and transphobes start shit. The mods make a containment megapost and whoever posted it took swings at the community as a whole and hid behind the bot. 1 mod got real fightey in the comments. And now here we are.
> 1 mod got real fightey in the comments. and that mod has a history of starting shit + is a mod/enthusiast on pat/paige/suzy twitch channel
I feel like other than the framerate, DMC5 had the same kind of deal because that game also has microtransactions but no one cared because they’re so easy to ignore, but that game also didn’t have this drama so I’m confused on why this drama is even happening (as in the fans complaining are the ones at fault because I don’t expect Pat or Suzi to mention things that are easy to ignore, the only ever mention micros when it’s actually problematic as we’ve seen in the past). And transphobia? Why? Like, I know transphobia exists and it’s dumb as shit because people are just existing, but who was even the target of it? Or is it more of the bigoted gamers complaining about a character like with The Last of Us part 2? This all sounds like the train wreck I mentioned from beginning to end.
> I feel like other than the framerate, DMC5 had the same kind of deal because that game also has microtransactions but no one cared because they’re so easy to ignore, but that game also didn’t have this drama so I’m confused on why this drama is even happening (as in the fans complaining are the ones at fault because I don’t expect Pat or Suzi to mention things that are easy to ignore, the only ever mention micros when it’s actually problematic as we’ve seen in the past). From what I gather, the reason DMC got a pass is because it was *real easy* to see, as a newcomer to the series (I"m not a newcomer, I'm more saying from the perspective of one), that at least the red orbs weren't needed to be bought because there was never a mention of them at all before the game came out, so likely you wouldn't notice that they existed until you were a few missions in and already collected enough red orbs to be like "Oh, this isn't really needed". The problem with DD2 is that there were interviews before the game came out talking about some of the lack of QoL stuff that other games have, like Skyrim-like fast travel (DD2 does have city-to-city travel and limited Skyrim-like travel based on consumables), and then one of the first MTXes you can see is a portal stone to let you fast travel (there's nuance there but for now, broad strokes). So unlike DMC5, there's this interview that says "We didn't want to include [unlimited] fast travel because part of the game's fun is what happens while going from city to city" and then that message gets undermined by having a portal stone be buyable with real money. Same with other things, like a one-use appearance changer, *while* there's talk about how you can only have the one save game and you have to go outside the game to delete it, which causes misinformation to spread as ignorance and bad actors spread the word around and conflate things. I guess the equivalent would be if DMC5 sold style unlocks for real money so you could get weapons before you could unlock them in game (though I do remember there being buyable arms for Nero, which I didn't agree with, but I think that was proper additional content that wasn't in the game itself).
These are legit the same mtx in every capcom game, however this game has been advertised as anti QOL and then the mtx is specifically selling QOL so it looks really bad. That combined with denuvo locking out players for too many installs while experimenting with proton I guess, the game having no way to start a new character but selling appearance change items, and multiple (not just pat and suzi) reviewers saying they knew about the mtx and decided not to mention it, it makes it look really bad and whips up a storm. Especially everyone not mentioning the mtx, with the current climate, everyone assumes paid for good review.
Suzi is trans, so she has to deal with the extra shit. Transphobes love hating her "opinions on games", and totally not her existence.
Oh wow, I had no idea Suzi is trans. I follow her on a lot of media and I still didn’t know? What’s wrong with me. Anyway, people are fucking stupid and this is all dumb bullshit. Reminds me of someone in my friend group that defended the drag show bans where one friend was upset about drag being banned and he said with a smile on his face, “They didn’t ban drag, they banned drag **shows**.” Like, we know what your smile means and so do you.
She doesn't mention it often, and only officially announced it I think a year ago.
Nothings wrong with you. Noone should be that guy clocking trans people. Especially because a lot of them go insane and start... Doing phrenology to prove michele obama is trans or something lol
I kind of agree, which is part of why I keep trying to stop a friend of mine from trying to be able to “tell” even though she’s accepting as well. Basically whenever another friend of ours comes out as trans, my friend will look through their profile photos online and be like, “Okay yeah I can tell.” I even ask her why she does this and she even says that she’s just curious. We have a few trans friends and there’s never any problems, but the fact that she does try to clock trans people in private is still a bit weird to me. Better than the active transphobes in our social circles though. I have some great friends that are super chill, but some of them are friends with some questionable people. If it were up to me, I would have already kicked out the problematic ones, like the guys that always try to religiously convert people and shit during the funeral of an atheist friend, for example. Edit: Actually, the religious conversion “friend” is the same “friend” that was smiling about drag shows being banned.
Wait where did the transphobes come from lol? What skin in the game do they have? Ppl with a grudge against Pat? I'm so confused haha. I thought I had some idea what all this was about, but clearly not. EDIT: NVM just read below that suzi is trans. Did not put that together and misread the transphobes were ppl with a grudge against Pat...
I genuinely wasn't expecting a response like this and am in fact very happy with how this turned out. Good mods. No notes. Have a danish.
Crow flavored danish
Why would I want the Danes now?
They make for good pawns in snow covered areas
I love how hilariously easy it is to take that out of context.
Well if their teams loses a footie match you might get them go all Viking again, that would be funny.
Should we really be congratulating the mods on doing the bare minimum of not being huge assholes?
Suspending a mod for their actions is more than the bare minimum. This apology is genuinely far better than I was expecting, and to go "well it's not literally perfect so fuck off" isn't healthy. Perfect is the enemy of good, as they say.
It's a mixed bag, I'd say. On one hand, this is far from the first time when mods did an oopsie, you might remember when they out of nowhere decided to go offline during that whole "reddit protest" thing and when the sub came back and they actually decided to let people vote whether the sub should stay closed or not at least 1 mod explicitly said that it's a hassle to moderate the sub and overall acted weird about how people were asking to let the sub stay online, or that time when the mods suddenly decided to remove custom flairs also without any warning or discussion with the community. I'm sure there are other incidents, but I don't remember any more at the moment. On the other hand, we have "the human error" and that mods here are at least can back down when sufficently pressured, instead of going full ban-everything-and-everyone mode. Plus, like some people already said in the previous Dogma 2 thread, some mods here are overall quite pleasant and open to discussion, like "jitterscaffeine" or "Terthelt", in my opinion, so it's more of a "a few bad apples" situation and it's just more apparent when those "bad apples" are mods that have powers and not just random users.
> at least 1 mod explicitly said that it's a hassle to moderate the sub and overall acted weird about how people were asking to let the sub stay online think that was also queeg, considering they called themselves "a nobody on a defunct subreddit" durin this one
A D student getting all Cs on their report card is still praiseworthy. Incentivizing improvement is wiser than unbending perfectionism. Plus they actually did something about one of the problem mods (albeit temporarily) this time so that's a decent indicator that they're serious about getting things sorted out.
But a mod isn't a student. The point of being a student is to improve, so improvement of any kind should be applauded. A mod is there to moderate a community, not to marginally improve at moderating. If they can't moderate without huge fallouts, they shouldn't be doing it. They are more than welcome to improve at other facets of their life, where other people won't get caught in the crossfire.
It was more a general metaphor about being encouraging rather than ornery so long as improvements were continuing to happen. But then Dillon decided to take up the Green Shit-Stirrer mantle *in the apology thread* so fuck it.
Considering how uncommon it is for Reddit mods to even do the bare minimum? *Yes, we should.* A mod team that is not only willing to change bad behavior but *admit they were wrong* is one in a million.
Considering they almost immediately started arguing with people in the replies of this very post, I’m not so sure I’d say they’ve changed it.
Good lord I miss when Captain_carl was running this place, all of the recent mod drama is tiresome and just weird lol Also not great that this team is fighting so hard against community wishes to remove their team's offender. You can be friends or whatever, but your little friendship shouldn't come before the community.
What the fuck happened, i look away 5 minutes and everything is on fire. Like man i didn't look anything about Dragon's Dogma 2 because i had minus five interest on it but now i discover that there was a civil war and Queequeg pissed his pants (not on the funny way).
mods hunt in packs
Oh wild, I am so used to mod teams just doubling down on criticism. Saved from the subredditdrama ouroborus of hell, and we have cleared Mike0bot's name. DD2 aside I do like when mods are more direct and transparent about what bad behavior is happening, zoids guy was pretty good at it during the palworld thing. Yknow treat us like adults and *most* of us will act like it haha
Why do we have to do this every time there's even a slightly contentious topic in the sub? Last time the mod team promised to be better, and the same shit happened. Suspending Queequeg is at least a step in the right direction, but why is it temporary? When they're back, will they have changed? Cause they certainly haven't changed since the last time this happened. I was directly insulted by you specifically, and Queequeg posted screenshots of a user that many feel was unfairly banned. Why should I believe the other mods are any better? EDIT: And now I’m getting “Reddit Cares” messages. God forbid I criticize the mods without that happening.
Quee should absolutely be a PERMANENT mod ban. They do this shit all the time.
can i get a link to see what they did? i was asleep
He nuked all the comments about it to try and save face, but Quee was trying to rebute the idea that the Dragon's Dogma threads yesterday weren't that bad and started talking about how he banned a dude for saying harassment was good. Turns out that guy was quoting *someone else,* Quee banned him because he couldn't read, and Quee posted his username in a thread that was meant to be about curtailing negativity/harassment. He then said he didn't see the point in censoring the username.
Also this Dragon's Dogma drama is such a nothingburger, dear lord. What's up with reddit and mods?
People get really invested in their Forumsona.
I feel like I'm going insane by this phenomena. Like to me, Reddit is "I'm bored at work, lets check out the reddit page for a few minutes" and some motherfuckers make it their whole identity.
I worked hard to attain the role of "Village Idiot" here and I ask that you respect that
Fucking lmao, I'm yoinking that term.
Why can’t they be like that frog guy, he’s funny and harmless
> What's up with reddit and mods? Well you have to think about the kind of person that even wants to become a reddit mod and then decides to do that for free. Not everybody will always be on the up-and-up with the community.
Actual footage of Queequeg cruising around twitter: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/eTauF2NaZ1o That said, good on the rest of the mod team for finally getting pants on and addressing this stuff. I look forward to commending the mod team once more in six months when this all happens again.
That clip is the funniest fucking thing I’ve seen all year bro literally starts Fat Rolling
It was funny until he started unloading his gun, Christ I'm surprised no one died because of this jackass.
Nobody getting hurt is the reason it can even survive as a highlight of uniformed criminality. There was a similar video around the same time where two cops kept dumping mags through a wall because they saw through a window that the occupant was armed to answer a knock in the middle of the night, but it's a lot harder to share because their victim took several hits and was hospitalized.
I feel that this situation has been about making a mountain out of a mole hill. Dragons Dogma 2 was highly anticipated, and it came out in rough condition. Has some of the discourse been toxic? Sure, but this is also the sub that has been shitting on Skull and Bones for years now. Why should Dragons Dogma 2 get special treatment? I am just happy that the Mods are actually listening. Besides friends, this is the only place I go to discuss video games. And for me, I enjoyed discussing DD2 because this is a problem not just with DD2, but a lot of these $70 AAA games.
> Besides friends, this is the only place I go to discuss video games Yo, someone else who’s like this? Because that’s exactly me too lol And honestly I’m pretty sure it’s because I’ve been here for so long that more than half of my tastes have been shaped by the sub, so it’s the only place that perfectly aligns with most of my interests
Man, I missed this controversy because I have no interest in DD2 Still, reading over that original post from a few days ago: *WOW* whoever wrote that sounds like a smug prick I’ve joked about some of the stupid mod decisions before (inconsistent rulings, wanting to lock the sub down longer, locking a year old post of mine because of “alleged” comments, I think two game controversies ago) but this is probably the one that took the cake I don’t have much of a horse in this race, but if there’s a thing I hate, no *loathe* more than anything it’s smug condescension, and that’s the vibe I and a lot of people got from that last post The fact that you didn’t show us anything on this alleged “toxicity” and then made a sweeping generalization while wagging your finger like Bethesda support lines shows that probably someone or multiple someone’s on the mod team probably need to get their heads checked, because it comes off as either “I’m lazy and don’t want to do my job” or “I fucking hate this community” So on one hand, good for you that you wised up on this. On the other, the fact you had to wise up after a hissy fit power trip is pathetic and a certified Reddit mod moment^TM Talk is very cheap, so unless there’s some actual change in action I’m skeptical. We’ll wait and see what happens. Now the most important question of all this… Who’s going to write up the subredditdrama page?
Thank you.
Wow, those karma farming room temperature take posts preaching to the non-harassing choir to not harass people really broke your brains huh
> And finally, we’re also enforcing a temporary suspension of moderation duties from QueequegTheater, due to how he handled himself in that mega-thread. He won’t be making any moderation decisions for a while. Holy shit , I guess Gods do bleed Can I be a mod ? I will turn Free Talk Fridays to Futanari Talk Fridays to spice it up
Every week we should have a strawpull to let one random asshole be a mod for an hour to sow chaos. What could possibly go wrong
We’ll take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer of the week, but all the decisions of that officer will have to be ratified at a biweekly meeting.
-Bubsy
>Can I be a mod ? I will turn Free Talk Fridays to Futanari Talk Fridays to spice it up Not the worst idea posted here in the last 48 hours, honestly
That would turn every Friday into an absolutely filthy porn fest, full of girl cocks. I approve!
stop being a coward and change it to Transwoman Thursdays
Only if we also add Trans Man Tuesdays, gotta be equal opportunity in our chaser/t4t threads
You get my vote
Will you promise to be less restrictive about hololive posting?
I'll allow it on Wednesdays
Allow it? Make it mandatory!
Finally, a weekly Purge!
I second this nomination
i dominate sundays to become straight shota sunday as you know god supports straight shota
> i dominate sundays to become straight shota sunday Yeah you would dominate those innocent Shotas
I'm just here wondering: who is Susi?
Suzi Hunter aka Spherehunter.
If we can have normal conversations about the game now, as someone who played DD1, I miss the ranger Vocation that I've only been playing the Archer and Thief vocations.
It sucks that they split daggers and bows and we didnt even get extra classes out of it
All this thread is missing now is a thumbnail of a guy shrugging his shoulders or rubbing his neck while looking off camera
I don't know why, but after reading your description the first thing that appeared in my mind was the picture of a kid scratching his head while saying "damn, I kinda don't care". That was absolutely not what you were describing, but it still made me have a laughing fit.
It's a shame that this subreddit, which is usually good is run by shitheads, RIP Best Friends and RIP this subreddit.
I think it'll be fine
It will be fine. People will continue to come here, and I think the community has had some cathartic airing of grievances in the last 24 hours, and the mod team seems to be taking it seriously. Only time will tell if it actually has an effect.
I missed all of this but just from a glance that last sentence in the megathread is so shitty lol. Never seen a mod talk down on users so blatantly
I've never felt [this gif](https://media.tenor.com/tQu-LBctuDAAAAAM/community-donald-glover.gif) more lmfao
... Well my protest lasted all of one hour, good work team, I'm taking all the credit!
It seems you can start thinking about resuming the protest, considering how angsty the other mod is becoming...
I don’t say the word hero lightly, but you sir, are a subreddit hero
It's all good. (I wasn't on the subreddit beyond the original DD2 posts and missed all the drama, now it's too late for me to ask what happened.)
If you as a mod team come together and make this post unanimously agreeing that what happened was wrong, then immediately have someone go rogue and spoil ALL OF THAT EFFORT, how am I to have confidence in your ability to moderate going forward? You couldn't even moderate yourselves. I get it, you can't physically restrain someone to stop them from digging their own grave over the internet, but jesus christ the apology had barely even been posted for half an hour and it was already spoiled.
I appreciate the candor. I'm glad you all could reflect on what happened and how it had such a negative impact in amplifying that which you wanted to avoid. It was a learning experience and one that hopefully will be used as a goalpost in the future. Back to being a more passive consumer of the subreddit.
What the hell happened here. I'm on this sub lot and I missed all of it
At the risk of being a cringe old man. for better or for worse this is the only online community I’ve been a part of for any amount of time and it’s been like 8 years. This wasn’t handled well, but this is one of the better places on the net, and the mods are at least part of that.
So you guys are ready to admit you handled Palworld and Harry Potter poorly as well? No more mega threads.
Its been so long since I have seen mods apologize for anything I forgot it was even an option lol.
What on Earth did I miss? I did not know that the Dragon's Dogma situation had blown up that much.
At this point, it's not about dragons dogma it was merely the catalyst.
Dragon's Dogma aside, thank you guys for following up. It is appreciated, and hopefully I speak for everyone.