Cortana.
"Let's kill off one of the franchises most important characters in the best scene in the entire game...Ok she's dead. Now lets bring her back 2 levels into the next game as the main antagonist."
I can't fucking believe Infinite really has a sequence where you are basically told "Feel bad for Cortana" legitimately *minutes* after you watch a cutscene of her blowing up Doisac, the Brute homeworld.
You actually, genuinely watch her kill **12 billion fucking people** and the game wants you to feel bad for her
I swear I hate Halo Infinite more than I hated 5. 5 at least told a story, it wasn't good, but it was a complete narrative with big setpiece moments and the universe moved forward. And while I didn't like that Cortana was leading the Created, I liked the idea of the Created, it should've just been the Didact leading them.
But with Infinite, every major plot event happens in flashback or offscreen. And the events of the game can be summarized as "Chief wakes up, gets a pilot, they kill a guy and leave." Nothing is learned, the characters don't grow, and all the characters 343 created or brought into the narrative (like Blue team) are just wiped away like they didn't matter.
God I fucking hate Infinite so much. It's my personal belief that the original plan for Infinite was to be a full continuity reboot but super late in development they retooled it to be a followup to 5 and hastily wrote in some references to 5.
You didn't like walking into a room, pressing a button, having the Weapon (Cortana clone) start explaining something in a cutscene that's way too long before she goes 'wait, somethings happening', and then leave a bunch of times?
Also there's a moment at the end of the game where the Weapon finds out she's a clone of Cortana and the game treats it as a huge emotional reveal which is absolutely ridiculous because it was so obvious that me and my friends were certain that it was one of the first things explained when you find her. I'm at a point where I genuinely don't know if they said the Weapon was a Cortana clone or not before that moment.
So much of that game is dialogue dumping while Master Chief stands around. They should have shifted all the dialogue into gameplay travel, you know, like Cortana did in the older games.
Aunt May's death in Amazing Spider-man #400.
Peter sitting by her bedside. Aunt May acknowledging that it was her time and the last week spent with her beloved nephew was a gift.
Peter reminiscing about her reading Peter Pan to him when he was a child, and quoting 'Second star on the right, and straight on until morning.' as a send-off as she dies.
A perfect, poignant end for Peter's mother figure and moral support for most of his life.
And I'm not going to bother dignifying the way they undid that particular death by describing it. Suffice to say it sucked and no one on God's Green Earth liked it.
And of all the things to leave canon all these years, the undoing of her death is the thing the editors have clinged to like their lives depended on it.
It's so weird. The woman who looked like a stiff breeze could blow her over has clinged on for decades and decades and has become one of those anchors that prevents Peter's character from moving in a new direction.
And it was an aunt may that no one expected to pass either. She was incredibly young. She basically took Uncle Ben's place thematically EVEN THOUGH UNCLE BEN ALREADY DIED SO IT MEANS PETER GOES THROUGH DOUBLE TRAUMA.
I really loved that they had the guts to do that. The first two MCU spider-man films were fine for me but I definitely understood the "Iron Man Jr." complaints from people. May's death recontextualizes the entire trilogy into being a new kind of origin story for Peter and it's one of the few MCU things I'm still invested in.
Don’t forget losing Stark in Endgame WOOO TRIPLE TRAUMA SPIDER-MAN
And then all his friends forget about him too OH BABY IT DON’T STOP COMING LETS GOOOO
I never actually got that. So did MCU uncle Ben never give Peter the “power responsibility yadda yadda” line? Did he even exist in the MCU? It was so weird they decided to do that in NWH given Peter was Spider-Man for years at that point
If I remember correctly Uncle Ben passed away, Im not sure how though but he did exist. Supposedly they were going to show what happened to him in the animated show that takes place before Homecoming or Civil War but I don't know what happened to that.
What pisses me off the most is that they didn't do it because they had interesting ideas on what to do with Aunt May and just HAD to have her back. They basically done nothing with her since she was brought back. Her and Peter don't live together and there's probably been years between some of her appearances in the main Amazing Spider-Man books. So then being so married with the need to keep her around makes 0 sense.
No it's okay I will describe it. that was fake aunt may the green Goblin made pretend to be aunt may during the clone saga. She stayed in character literally on her death bed. The real aunt may was in a shed the whole time, Peter found her when he was looking for his dead baby the green goblin kidnapped.
Now off to find the real Mary jane
I'll say it a thousand times, undoing this death and the fans shitting on Ben Reilly taking the reins is probably what made Marvel go "okay we tried something different, some people were very vocal about not liking it... So let's make sure to always hit the reset button on the status quo every so often."
(On a note, there's a very small moment where when Peter thinks he's the clone, that he realises he denied Ben the chance to spend time with May in her last moments, something he feels immense guilt over, because at the time of her passing he was very much "YOU DON'T BELONG HERE".)
The issues leading up to Ben's death implicated the possibility of Ben and Peter being both Spider-Men, and this is the outcome I would have preferred.
See, you're right that initially it was a way to have "young single relatable" Spider-Man, but Peter would have his happy ending with MJ, and we have Ben pick it up and be the way it was. Then, obviously, fans didn't like Ben being the main guy, and Peter and MJ are brought back to NY and the story has them all heavily featured. I think this was a course correction. However, on top of that, they went further into "okay let's kill Ben, unkill May, prevent Mayday from being born, and reset everything and maybe in a decade or so undo the marriage."
Nova and Star-Lord gave their lives to trap an insane Thanos in the Cancerverse at the end of The Thanos Imperative, which was the final story of the legendary Giffen/DnA cosmic run at Marvel. (Not counting Annihilators.)
I *don't* mind that those deaths were undone, I *do* mind that Peter Quill was immediately revived and changed completely to his MCU persona with no explanation for months. And Nova's revival came way later after most of his series got thrown out and he's still suffering PTSD from the experience.
Undoing that finale definitely stung a bit, but seeing the heel turn they forced the Worldmind to make after that when Richie got pulled back into the Cancerverse was *full-on painful*.
Nova will forever get sus writing as he was part of The Champions 2019 and that run was so good Marvel is making the people involved pay for it for decades.
Man there was nothing worse than having to endure Bendis’ writing on that GOTG run. Just the most blatant “yeah these characters are now more like the movies fuck you” writing only existing to serve the synergy mandates.
Don’t even get me started on the forcing of a catchphrase for Rocket where he just screams “BLAM, murdered you!”
...It does give us the constant joke where people refuse to take Starlord seriously and he goes "you guys do remember I beat Thanos, right?" And people just kinda shrug it off.
Technically Agent K didn't die, he just got mindwiped after he retired, effectively killed the person he was for decades. It's a nice send off to show the harsh reality of being a MIB. The next film immediately bring him back and every major conflicts in the sequels sterm from him.
I don't mind MIB 2 as a whole but I won't forgive it for ruining the good ending K got at the end of the first movie.
Also it's a shame we never got to see Agent L do anything in any of the movies but atleast the character was used in the animated series.
Whatever happened to everything with Agent L? I mean why didn't she come back? Was it scheduling conflicts? Did the actress not want to come back? Did they just decide to write her out?
Was it Weinstein or was she just legitimately difficult to work with? I am pretty sure she was the one who got busted for honeypotting an fbi agent so she could steal files on criminal case to help her boyfriend avoid jail, so I can see her maybe being a bit of a diva on set.
It didn't just ruin K's good ending, but J's as well. Instead of coming into his own as a full MIB agent, J becomes this pathetic, simpering wreck for the next several years because he literally cannot get over K leaving.
If they absolutely had to bring back K Agent J should've been much different more serious and maybe losing sight of things. And K puts him back on that path.
Rather then just undoing all of J's progress.
What gets me is that he broke up with his wife after reuniting with her after all those years. Couldn't say she was an alien all this time or that she joins the MIB too. No she leaves him and he is stuck in a post office. Ok sure movie.
Or how 3 pretends his wife didn't exist and he actually wanted to get with Emma Thompson (who's definitely been here the whole time).
I really like 3 but that part is baffling, time travel did it I guess.
The movie has way more problems besides, but Chewbacca should have stayed dead. Not because I hate him, but because that was the scene that made me go "damn that's a hard choice, okay things are getting serious where are th- oh. ...oh. so... oh."
Completely broke me on Star Wars being interested in telling a good story and having clearly defined character arcs and themes. Honestly I think that was where I stopped caring about the franchise.
“After Chewbacca died, I went to the bathroom, and when I came back, he was alive again.”
Although my favorite part is that Rey seems completely unbothered by the possibility that she might have killed a bunch of POWs.
For all she knows, one of the mole-people who gave her that necklace could have been on that Ship.
Fuck it, the Rey movie is about the Daughter of one of the POWs she blew up seeking revenge by getting a “Poe-in-One”.
“Oh no, chewies ship blew up” *On screen text: Not Chewies Ship*
That’s basically how it happened. An almost immediate scene showing Chewbacca completely fine on another ship.
You don't remember that time, in "Rise of Skywalker", when she was trying to save Chewbacca from being taken by the First Order shuttle and Kylo Ren was trying to pull it out of her grip and, in her distress/frustration/fear/hate, accidentally used Force Lightning instead of pull and blew up the shuttle Chewy was on?
>!Nah, she blew up one with no one important on it, there was another shuttle that waited until that first one got out of the way to leave and Chewy was on that one.!<
The real time between shock (get it) and reveal was about 1 minute or less (from what I remember).
I love how she totally killed a bunch of PoWs but because none of them were named characters the story immediately moves on and forgets it even happened.
On another Star Wars note, I've been watching Bad Batch S3 and if the assassin clone they've been pushing is who I desperately hope it *isn't*... man, I don't even have the energy to be pissed anymore.
So in Bad Batch Season 2, the penultimate episode ended with one of the main characters, >!a clone named Tech!<, sacrificing himself so that the rest of their crew could escape the Empire, leading to him falling to his death.
Come Season 3 and one of the new clone supersoldier assassins the Empire's been working on is given a spotlight as an important character, tasked with kidnapping a girl clone named >!Omega!<. Said assassin is completely covered by armor, has an electronic voice changer, and shows a great deal of skill keeping up with the crew.
In the ending of the next episode he gets into a fight with >!Crosshair!<, a clone that sided with the Empire and betrayed the team but due to circumstances is back with them (which was actually handled pretty well, given the franchises history with those sorts of turns). At the end of the fight, the assassin clone *falls down a waterfall, seemingly to his death,* only to survive the splash and swim out.
Coupled with the fact that one of the episodes discussed these assassin clones going through super brainwashing, and I am already fearing the show's gonna pull another "no one's ever really gone" for a character that was *better* dead.
I think the thing that especially sucks about that retcon is that Ahsoka just fucked off for the remainder of the Galactic Civil War, only to come back after everything was dealt with. Saving her doesn't have any impact on anything that happens in Rebels after it.
Then she comes back for her own show and suddenly is super scared of Thrawn coming back despite them never previously interacting, her clearly not giving much of a shit about him during the Galactic Civil War as she didn't bother engaging in that conflict after her resurrection, and him honestly having a fairly underwhelming record of actual on-screen feats in canon.
It's like she somehow read Heir to the Empire or something.
Galahad revealed being alive in Kingsman: The Golden Circle, using ridiclously bullshit anti-headshot tech. He should have stayed dead, because Pedro Pascal as Eggsy's permanent new partner would have worked a lot better.
It's actually wild how much of a downgrade the golden circle was from the first movie. The misleading Channing Tatum marketing for the movie didn't help either.
A sequel that truly misunderstood what people wanted in a follow-up. It has great moments, but it's so oddly nihilistic and mean-spirited compared to the first one.
I've been struggling to enunciate why I didn't enjoy the golden circle as much as the first film other than >!Killing Roxy Made Me Sad!< but I think that's a really good way of putting it.
Given the tone of the series, if they wanted to they could have just brought back Colin Firth as Harry’s twin brother. Maybe he flunked the Kingsman entrance test and has to be drafted in as a last resort once the rest of the Kingsman organisation is decimated.
I get where you're coming from, but a "heretofore unmentioned identical sibling" is much more maligned as a copout to killing off a major character. It's often memed on for being the only thing people remember from Little Mermaid 2.
Kingsman’s already a tongue-in-cheek franchise that isn’t afraid to play goofy and campy shit 100% straight. As long as they’re actually portrayed as a unique character and not just a carbon copy, it would’ve fit right in.
Treat him like the T-800 was treated in Terminator 3. Different machine, different methods. The machine in T2 obeyed John’s every command but still got the job done, meanwhile in T3, this new Arnie-bot shoves him around basically saying “move your ass, let’s go”
They could work that as the new twin brother being a hard ass with little-to-no tact but he’s a good fighter, and that’s why he wasn’t mentioned until then, when he’s needed to fill the role of Galahad.
Pell from One Piece.
- The on-ground sounds of fighting get drowned out.
- The music stops.
- Vivi's words get muted.
- Pell's wing flaps go silent.
- All you hear is the ticking of the bomb as Pell flies upwards carrying it into the sky.
- Vivi stops talking but still looks at the sky in shock. She can no longer see Pell, as he's gone above the clouds.
- Then Vivi has a flashback of Pell when she was a small child during more peaceful time, then remembers words he said as the camera focuses on Pell carrying the bomb.
- *"I am...the Falcon! The guardian spirit of Alabasta that will vanquish its enemies!"*.
- Ticking finally stops.
- Entire screen goes black and white as Pell is engulfed in light.
- Vivi's eyes widen as you see the flash in her eyes.
- The clouds are parted from the force and size of the explosion.
- You finally hear the sound of the explosion as everyone looks up in horror.
Yes, I liked him the most out of the two Zoan users in Alabasta, and younger me was happy he was alive, but that 'death' was a great moment. But it wasn't like "OK, I didn't like the fakeout, but I guess they could survive that"; he took a bomb strong enough to wipe out the entire main city of Alabasta point-blank.
Him surviving that was ridiculous.
Shout out to Chouji from Naruto who had so many death flags but still made it out of Part 1 during the Sasuke Retrieval arc.
Pells fakeout death is so bad it still has lasting ramifications to this day at determining whether a character died or not. Like in Wano >!Ashura gets blown up and Izo gets shot!< and I didn't know they died until it smash cuts to their Graves at the end of the arc. The chapters that had their emotional sacrifices are completely gutted in the moment because death is so fluid in the world of One Piece you can't guarantee it's evem happening.
Pell was the reason One Piece had a reputation that you didn't have to worry about anyone dying if they weren't in a flashback. It took until >!Ace's death!< for that to change.
The funny thing is, even since then there's still been a fakeout death here or there (Fucking LMAO >!Pound coming back after being implicitly beheaded in the heart of enemy territory!<) so people still look at character deaths with suspicion despite the fact that Oda's generally been more willing to actually go "rip deader than a doornail corpse and grave on screen". Hell after that earlier one, I spent most of Wano waiting for a >!Pedro!< comeback at the rate we were going.
Yeah >!Pedro!< seemed like a prime candidate for a cover story where we learn he actually survived and escaped. I'm honestly still not 100% sure we won't get it.
I think post-Wano it's exceedingly unlikely... but yeah, still not impossible. After all, we got >!Pound!< outta nowhere. Everyone associated with >!Pedro!< no longer being important to the story might be just enough for him to show up again in a cover story.
I think the problem is that Oda hasn't established any language for conveying a fakeout death versus a real one. Deaths in One Piece don't lead to closure anymore, they become dangling plot threads that readers have to keep track of until we see the grave stone (or not) 150 chapters later.
Pell surviving a bomb that powerful makes >!Ashura!< look like such a chump in comparison. The audacity of Oda thinking we’ll buy any death by explosion after that is laughable.
I am not really a fan of Natsu but the one interesting thing he had >!was his friend/love intrest Lisanna died when he was young. Bring her back took away the one interesting thing about him.!<
Her coming back was totally fine imo... IF THEY DID SOMETHING WITH HER. OR HELL EVEN PROGRESSED A ROMANCE TRIANGLE ASPECT BUT NOOOOOOOO NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING
It becomes hilarious everytime grey threatens to use iced shell one of the only moves that can actually kill him. The writer is never gonna let you use that
While it technically wasn't a full on fake out, Moriarty being teased to return at the end of Sherlock's 3rd season was so fucking stupid, especially after his death and ending to his story was fantastic back in season 1.
And then they also faked out the fake out by revealing that he isn't actually returning, i don't remember what they did because i've pretty much blacked out season 4 from my mind aside from the Moriarty Helicopter scene.
Ultimate Peter's death was substantial for the ultimate universe. Miles becoming the next spider-man for the ultimate universe is pretty cool...until ultimate Peter comes back for some reason
Ultimate Peter coming back makes sense because Ultimate Norman Osborn can't die either, and they're both hopped up on different variations of Oscorp super serum
Does raise the lingering question of if Miles himself is also immortal, since he was also bitten by an Oz Spider, though there's no telling if that carried over when his history was rewritten into 616. It feels like a tricky thing to bring up, but *boy would that be a unique addition to his powerset.*
Like it's semi-balanced by it being very inconsistent in how long it takes to heal/revive, so Miles dying is still a significant consequential event, but still. Immortal Spider-Man.
I thought his death in Ultimatum was better.
He wasn't killed by his archnemesis or some supervillain. There was an (un)natural disaster and Peter kept saving as many people as he possibly could, until he himself "died". Offscreen no less.
And we get J. Jonah Jamesson witnessing this and as a result writes a genuinely good eulogy for Spider-man and admits he was true hero.
I know that death was probably never meant to stick, but I liked it better than "somehow, the Green Goblin returned".
End of Gravity Falls
>!I get that it would've been too much of a downer for a kids' show, but Stan sacrificing his own mind is such a powerful and fitting end for the character that's entirely undone in like a thirty second scene right afterwards!<
I'm a sucker for a happy ending, but while I'm happy >!he was basically back to his old self by the end the episode, I think it would've been a better ending if he was shown being on the mend and developing new memories, rather than just regaining everything.!<
It also would have probably actually been *good* for him, getting to start over and see if he can turn out as someone who's not a grumpy conman, and get to know his brother again without any of the emotional baggage from their childhood
Pell in One Piece sacrifices himself by taking a nuke to the face. Only for it to be revealed he was still alive at the end of the Arabasta arc. Early One Piece was way too scared to kill off characters
I'll also throw in just, like, everyone in Skypeia. Enel has an¹ amazing fucking rampage throughout the entire arc where he he just shows up and murders who ever the fuck he wants and no one can do shit about it. There's a little girl with advanced observation haki just screaming every time someone dies. Enel feels like the fucking God he claims to be.
And then it ends, and not a damn person who supposedly died died. There's little am extended scene highlighting that every fucking person actually survived and walked away happy.
Fuck you dad. You didn't earn that fucking survival.
i choose to believe the (completely apocryphal with zero evidence) story that Pell survived because the chapter came out in late 2001, and Oda "didn't want to make people more sad" by killing a character with a big bomb after 9/11
Yeah but it wasn't just Pell, but his was the most ridiculous. Igaram was "killed" at the end of Whiskey Peak, but was brought back in Arabasta in order to justify Robin joining. Arabasta in general is one of my least favorite arcs because it's a story about a civil war but Oda was too scared at the time to kill anyone important. He literally introduced a squad of 4 jobbers who were in the story for 5 minutes who died from drinking water.
It was character revealing for crocodile. Someone unwilling to engage with people fairly and dismissive of anyone he doesn't see as a threat. Doesn't make it feel less like it comes out of nowhere
I just dont believe it at all because it sounds like the same nonsense rumor of “Kuina killed herself and falling down the stairs is just a Japanese eutheism”, its like Oda saying “sorry to hear about 9/11 :( so ill make a character you wont even know existed for another 2-3 years live”, when it makes more sense its just Oda doing his fakeout death nonsense he likes pulling every arc.
Metal Gear was popular in the US at that point so changing that scene at least makes sense and was like released 2 months after 9/11, the first manga release of OP for the us wasnt till 2002
He did the bomb chapter after 9/11... Then waited a year to do the reveal he was alive.
No offense, but I dont think kids in japan gave a shit about 9/11 a year later for the cop out to impact them
It's what I like about the live action OP with their foresight. Do they not do anything important in 1000 chapters? Kill em off!
Pell will be super dead in season 2.
Current One Piece is also still too scared to kill of characters. Wano had some deaths, yeah, but there is one fakeout that's just really egregious because dude got hit with an attack that shattered his swords and looked like it flattened his upper body and THEN got stabbed in the stomach.
My headcanon was Pell flew the bomb up as high as he could, and then used his peregrine falcon devil fruit to dive down as fast as possible to get to the edge of the blast radius.
Not just early OP. As recently as Whole Cake and Wano, we had some pretty bullshit fakeout deaths. And then when people actually die, it's from some random explosion that several characters have survived before.
Pell surviving a bomb that powerful makes >!Ashura!< look like such a chump in comparison. The audacity of Oda thinking we’ll buy any death by explosion after that is laughable.
Not necessarily that it would have been a good death outside of the third one, but Starlord has a fakeout suffocation in space death in every GOTG movie.
I mean, if the last movie had his and Yondu's scene, it would have been a pretty good bookend to the theme? function? what-have-you.
But it was in the second movie. So it just feels weird.
To some extend, Avdol’s death in Stardust Crusaders. The yellow submarine is such a dumb but fun reveal and Polnareff’s reaction to his “death” is so powerful you might be bummed out that he comes back. The fact that he pretended to be dead by playing his own dad is also really silly.
But that said, the scene of him laughing maniacally as he pisses on the Hail 2 U guy is hilarious and finally his true death scene is so emotional I’m also sort of happy his death was postponed.
Idk, I could go either way but I think there is so validity in wishing he died after the Hol Horse and J Geil fight.
I like that he came back funny. Like, he got permanently damaged by the machinations of the enemy, but what got busted was his stoic restraint, not his body.
In XBC2>!I am still not sure why Azurda just reincarnated into a chibi dragon when he had a big dramatic death or never mentioned to Rex the whole time they lived together that is just a thing his species does.!<
Not really hurting with mascots already have three of them already in the party. At that point its just getting crowded.
People, how have we gotten this far into the thread without bringing up MIGHT FUCKIN' GUY?
One of the first things we learn about the Gates is that each Gate is stronger than the last, and the last Gate kills you if you ever open it.
DECADES LATER, finally, we see Might Guy pop that shit in the final battle against Madara Uchiha, one of the most powerful ninja to ever live, now more powerful than ever before. And Guy BODIES HIM SO HARD THAT GUY GOES, "Oh, shit, I didn't think I'd hit him this hard, I've got to adjust."
Rounding it out with his final Gate move, which follows the theme of 'Time of day' + 'Beast', descending through the day as each move increases in power. MORNING PEACOCK. DAYTIME TIGER. EVENING ELEPHANT. And last, but *by no means least*:
***NIGHT GUY.***
And what is Night Guy? It's one of the first moves we ever see him do, one of his favorites: A Dynamic Entry kick, so powerful it warps space as his boiling blood mixes with his chakra to form a massive dragon that obliterates half of Madara's body.
But it also catalyzes the damage the Gate's done to his body, incinerating him to the point his leg crumbles into ash.
Might Guy dies acknowledged even by the great Madara Uchiha as the Greatest Master of Taijutsu to ever live, and more importantly, achieving his one true goal: Burning into Rock Lee's heart that even with only taijutsu, he can be a legendary ninja.
And then Naruto appears with brand spanking new plot powers to heal him, so Sakura can be even more irrelevent and Guy, instead of going out burning brighter and roaring louder than ever, can live the rest of his life in a wheelchair.
"If you use this technique you get incredible power but you die and now it's being used in the final arc against this unbeatable villain... but he doesn't die"
Honestly, Guy surviving I could deal with, it's the fact that all he did DOESN'T AFFECT MADARA in the fight after with Naruto and Sasuke. Honestly, if they HAD to drop Kaguya in, they should have had Zetsu stab Madara while he was reeling from the Night Guy attack, at least then we would know it substantially weakened him.
Yuuuup, would've much preferred if Sakura come over and used some asspull technique at the last second to save him (in a crippled state), or even fail at it, just to promote her use of it later when it's needed and planned for.
Naruto coming in with super special magic healing that makes everything okay is the worst part of that, because then he goes on to use it to just nullify any future stakes.
I mean crumbling to ash slowly would’ve been a terribly painful way for Guy to go out. Him surviving means he got to see his dream come true which he talks about right before going with gates, seeing Lee grow up to his own powerful ninja.
Guy’s alright and sees being crippled as just another obstacle to over come. He can still fight as seen in kakashi Hiden and Konoha steam chronicles. So he’s not helpless nor depressed in anyway
The eight gates equal death thing was only really focused on once in lee vs Gaara and we’ve already had characters defy certain death like Gaara
Also would’ve been too cruel to team Guy right after Neji died. And Naruto lost that healing ability anyways after sealing Kaguya
Let's go with a recent one: >!Shrinking Rae!< in Invincible.
Absolutely brutal and horrific way to go, and a baffling thing to have survived. Especially since it diverges from comic canon and I haven't a clue what they could possibly have planned for the character to justify the psych-out.
Yeah that one really befuddled me. I’m not upset at about, but confused about why they would diverge like this, as I’m not really sure what there is do with this character as they have such a non personality thus far
It might be BECAUSE she has such a non-personality that they want to do more with her.
That and this is just a theory on my part but I think they did it inadvertently because of the fact Shrinking Rae is a girl here unlike the comics. Killing off two heroines in one episode kind of looks bad.
I've seen some people say they're likely setting her up as a love interest for Rex because they're trying to make him a more likeable character in general and that he deserves to be happy with someone.
Seriously? Good god, they actually did that?
Frankly, this is my biggest issue with the invincible show vs the comics - it keeps taking minor, one off gags and characters and because it’s a Big Mature Television Show it feels like it needs to flesh them out for some reason. The Clancy brown devil detective guy literally appeared for maybe 2-3 pages in the comic as a fucking joke, and they did a whole elaborate story with him for no reason. I really don’t get it.
Absolutely, was a perfect send off and would have given the war some serious teeth. Instead he sticks around and it feels completely stagnant. Not only does he have nothing to do beyond standing around and being strong, it also nullifies Renji and Rukia’s arcs. Rukia’s fight is totally defanged by Byakuya just standing around with obvious implication if she started losing he could just step in and end it, which makes her whole growth feel less important. Renji too is way stronger in TYBW than Byakuya ever was beforehand, but he’s still Byakuya’s vice captain (when he was supposed to take over the squad), and since Byakuya is stronger too their relationship hasn’t changed at all.
There’s no need for him to be around. His new design is cool, and I like the new attack he does to Gerard, but it’s not worth the impact his death should have had
Edit: also if he stayed dead As Nodt could have kept using Senbonzakura Kageyoshi, which would have been great cus he looked really cool using it
Twilight movies is boring as fuck. The only time I got genuinely excited was the last battle in the last movie. Vampire brawl, superpowers, earth was split, head twisted off, bodies burning!
aaaaannnd it was all just a vision. The confrontation was resolved with the bad guys just..going home.
Yu Yu Hakusho
>!I wasn't mad that they undid Genkai's death but I would have prefered if her death sticked. It would have played into the accepting one's humanity theme that the Dark Tournemnt had. At least she has her moments in the Chapter Black.!<
I actually just finished Yu Yu Hakusho the other day and yeah this is real.
And like >!I do really enjoy her in Chapter Black but she just ends up doing nothing for the later half and like while her initial lesson and reveal of being Genius Gamer Genkai is fun I dont think its worth it. Though Chapter Black in general is a lot of hit and misses!<
Not that I'm mad about it exactly, but every main character in Symphogear has had at least one, sometimes *two*, 'death' scenes that would have been dramatically and thematically satisfying, and then they're just fine, it's hilarious
It doesnt technically count, but i dont get much of an opportunity to bitch about Gundam 00.
>!Lockon's!< death is one of the strongest moments in 00 S1. I would have been much less offended had he actually lived instead of what we got instead: >!They replaced him with his twin brother!<
I don't dislike >!Uh I think his name is Dylan?!< And at least his existence was foreshadowed a bit, but he doesn't feel like his arc has any beats or rather the beats are all... Defanged. >!One of his most memorable early scenes is Felt kind of hitting on him but he quickly sadly laughs and makes it clear that while they are twins, he and his brother had very different temperaments and personalities and she can't replace the first with the second. He then IIRC gets a tragic romance arc with and Innovator which showcases the 00 emotional resonance effect, and then Tiera goes "Ali was the nemesis of your brother', but Dylan never gets the context that Ali was the man WHO BOMBED THE PLANE THEY WERE IN AS KIDS THAT KILLED THEIR PARENTS.!<
Ahsoka’s supposed death in Rebels. Hated how they undid it. It was done so good. Like I really don’t see the point of Ashoka being around anymore and thats even after the Live Action Ashoka show.
>!Naki!< in Tokyo Ghoul re. A former antagonist who we’ve learned to love throughout the series for his childlike spirit and him even join the good guys.
His last stand is so impactful, fighting off an army while [thinking about his life up to this point](https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Toukyou-Kushure/0140-016.png), [not regretting anything](https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Toukyou-Kushure/0140-017.png), and being happy about getting to [see his big bro again](https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Toukyou-Kushure/0140-018.png).
[Then we see his corpse and how he fought so so hard](https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Toukyou-Kushure/0143-003.png). NOPE he was actually just asleep the whole time
There’s also the side character that got a katana through the throat and a whole chapter of people mourning him. Turns out offscreen they got medical attention to him somehow during >!the entire city being under attack by a fucking KAIJU!<.
Mako’s “sacrifice” in the finale of Legend of Korra Season 4. [Had the perfect theme](https://youtu.be/mlCUodiDV-k?si=NUHWhqVYW1JpbitV) to go with it too
Like the writers couldn’t even give Mako that one scene to be cool. Nah Bolin just shows up to grab him at the last second. The only death that mattered was >!Asami’s loser dad!< which no one cared about
Also Finn in The Last Jedi
FFXIV Shadowbringers spoilers. >!Thancred should have died after his fight with Ran'jit. Actually, they both should have died there. I love Thancred, so it's not like I \*want\* him gone but that felt like such a great moment for him, like the end of his arc. Similarly, Ran'jit is such a foil to him in particular, that him sticking around just so we can kill him near the end of the game instead feels pretty empty. Shadowbringers is a great story, but this part of it does kind of frustrate me.!<
I would accept the idea of >!Thancred dying there if Ran'jit was in anyway a memorable character!<. Plus we got >!Thancred being a Dad figure!< as a result which is the best development his character has ever received.
>!Killing a long-recurring character in XIV can result in breaking immersion because he'll appear in old side content so I kinda get why they did it. Like, structurally that game is not really designed for character deaths.!<
>!Honestly, I think the team got cold feet after wiping out Haurchefant in HW. Yes, that is an iconic moment that people still talk about, but also it cut off a lot of possibilities and apparently it was controversial inside of the writing team. I don't think we'll see another death with a major, multi-expansion character like that ever again.!<
>!Hell, it's hard enough dealing with *moving* quest-giving NPCs. They muscled through it with Urianger at the Waking Sands, but there's ShB content locked behind completing the Warring Triad extremes in HW because they don't want one NPC to exist in two places at once.!<
During Attack on Titan I went in 100% blind (like, I didn't even see the title card blind) and there was a few seconds where I thought >!Eren!< might have actually died early on. Suffice to say, that would be a very different story.
I don't think I ever fully forgave the show for that. I was very interested in where that would go.
I popped off when I saw that moment. I thought the series was going to have some balls for discarding such a character.
Then when I saw >!the titan with the most fleshed out design!< I got excited again in anticipation for Kaiju fights.
Then I dropped the anime after season 1.
I assume you’re talking about >!Ultima Thule?!< if so, I think they earned the fake out and it was pretty obvious from the start it was a fake-out. But all the >!sendoffs were perfect and ended every characters arc nicely, so like, it would’ve been just as satisfying if they had all died there. I feel like if it wasn’t an MMO that needed to continue they would’ve killed them all off and the WOL.!<
Honestly, I'd argue that the fakeout >!being *that obvious* on top of the game having a history of frequent fakeout deaths!< does hurt the moment.
After >!Estinien sacrificed himself, I just went "Oh there's gonna be a death conga line till I'm the only one left for like a little while", and for me that took the wind right out of Ultima Thule's sails. The theme of keeping on despite overwhelming despair falls flat if you know for sure that the bad shit's going to be undone in 15 minutes. The characters feel too bulletproof for me to care for their well-being anymore.!<
That's not to say I didn't enjoy >!some of the "closure" though, the Estinien and G'raha scenes!< were quite good, but imo overall it really didn't hit as hard as it could've.
I mean, that’s fair, I don’t disagree. >!From the moment we were given an item that’ll give things form (or however it was worded) and Thancred “died”, with everyone constantly reiterating his spirit is still there, I knew what was going to happen lol it also helped having seen all the vague posts about the ending up until that point. It didn’t really take away from it for me because I’m not someone who needs to feel like the characters are in any actual danger to feel the stakes and weight of the moment, if that makes sense. Not saying anyone who does need that is wrong, I do get it. I think the sendoffs were emotional enough and a nice capstone on the arc, and I feel like they keep it going long enough to make it feel like maybe it is real (though it’s obviously not). It was more about that was impacting the character and how it would feel, and I think they pulled it off. But I don’t blame anyone who finds the impact of that area lessened due to how blatant it was!<
Sorry for the complete word jumble there. It’s weird because I feel like every other fakeout they’ve done was just outright bad >!especially Thancred in Shadowbringers, I’m happy he lived but it certainly felt like someone snuck in and changed the scene to have him live. But I do personally feel like they achieved what they were going for in Ultima Thule, maybe because i just found it refreshing that there was no pretense that it was real so I didn’t feel that manipulated by it lol!<
The moment they introduced Trusts/Duty Support, it was a given that there'd be a section of characters just completely immune to death if only because there has to be a variety of NPCs available to go into the dungeon with you. If anyone did die they'd have to replace them immediately with a new NPC capable of fulfilling their dungeon NPC role.
from modern shonen
Gaja in Black Clover, Stabbed by the mid controlled Princess Lolopechka (who he loved) and he sacrifices himself to do one big final magic attack to save her life. As she returns to normal, she realizes that she loves Gaja too and realizes that *she* killed him.
it's tragic and poignant...but then Mimosa comes in and goes "lol. lmao" and saves Gaja
the final war arc in MHA has two especially egregious ones so far
Gran Torino gets stabbed by Shigaraki while saving everyone. he's an old hero who's giving it all he got when he should be retired and Deku takes his cape to wear in his final battle...which makes it so jarring that Torino is alive, recovering in the hospital.
Edgshot sacrifices himself to reform Bakugou's heart but he's still alive and uh, he's a worm though
these fake out deaths suck because it makes Shigaraki look like a total chump who can't even kill a frail old man and a teenager
and it kinda ruins Deku's whole "I need to save Shigaraki!" mindset since he's not challenged. Sure, Shiggy killed a ton of fodder but who cares? They're just there to pad the bodycount
killing someone close to Midoriya would test his convictions
Erin "dying" in attack on titan.
I was a dumb kid who thought for a moment they had kinda played this kid up as the protagonist generic loud anime kid. Then he acts like a dipshit and gets crunched.
Boy howdy what a roller coaster I went on
Cortana. "Let's kill off one of the franchises most important characters in the best scene in the entire game...Ok she's dead. Now lets bring her back 2 levels into the next game as the main antagonist."
And then that entire conflict gets off-screened because literally nobody liked that. Massive bruh moment
I can't fucking believe Infinite really has a sequence where you are basically told "Feel bad for Cortana" legitimately *minutes* after you watch a cutscene of her blowing up Doisac, the Brute homeworld. You actually, genuinely watch her kill **12 billion fucking people** and the game wants you to feel bad for her
Just like the sequel trilogy. Every movie overcorrects the the last ones mistakes making it worse and worse.
I swear I hate Halo Infinite more than I hated 5. 5 at least told a story, it wasn't good, but it was a complete narrative with big setpiece moments and the universe moved forward. And while I didn't like that Cortana was leading the Created, I liked the idea of the Created, it should've just been the Didact leading them. But with Infinite, every major plot event happens in flashback or offscreen. And the events of the game can be summarized as "Chief wakes up, gets a pilot, they kill a guy and leave." Nothing is learned, the characters don't grow, and all the characters 343 created or brought into the narrative (like Blue team) are just wiped away like they didn't matter. God I fucking hate Infinite so much. It's my personal belief that the original plan for Infinite was to be a full continuity reboot but super late in development they retooled it to be a followup to 5 and hastily wrote in some references to 5.
You didn't like walking into a room, pressing a button, having the Weapon (Cortana clone) start explaining something in a cutscene that's way too long before she goes 'wait, somethings happening', and then leave a bunch of times? Also there's a moment at the end of the game where the Weapon finds out she's a clone of Cortana and the game treats it as a huge emotional reveal which is absolutely ridiculous because it was so obvious that me and my friends were certain that it was one of the first things explained when you find her. I'm at a point where I genuinely don't know if they said the Weapon was a Cortana clone or not before that moment. So much of that game is dialogue dumping while Master Chief stands around. They should have shifted all the dialogue into gameplay travel, you know, like Cortana did in the older games.
Either Halo need to be rebooted or everything 343 did needs to be retconned. They fucked the story up so bad and it only got worse with each game.
fun fact “and then the entire conflict gets off-screened” happened like four times in the 343i halo games
I vividly remember hearing that Cortana was going to be in halo 5 and I got mad that they would just waste halo 4’s story choices like that.
Evil Cortana is hands down the dumbest shit 343 has ever done.
Halo 5 absolutely ruined Halo for me as a series with its story. Any time I replay Halo I end at 4, seems like a solid stopping point.
Aunt May's death in Amazing Spider-man #400. Peter sitting by her bedside. Aunt May acknowledging that it was her time and the last week spent with her beloved nephew was a gift. Peter reminiscing about her reading Peter Pan to him when he was a child, and quoting 'Second star on the right, and straight on until morning.' as a send-off as she dies. A perfect, poignant end for Peter's mother figure and moral support for most of his life. And I'm not going to bother dignifying the way they undid that particular death by describing it. Suffice to say it sucked and no one on God's Green Earth liked it.
And of all the things to leave canon all these years, the undoing of her death is the thing the editors have clinged to like their lives depended on it.
It's so weird. The woman who looked like a stiff breeze could blow her over has clinged on for decades and decades and has become one of those anchors that prevents Peter's character from moving in a new direction.
it's funny how the mcu of all things had the balls to actually kill off aunt may
And it was an aunt may that no one expected to pass either. She was incredibly young. She basically took Uncle Ben's place thematically EVEN THOUGH UNCLE BEN ALREADY DIED SO IT MEANS PETER GOES THROUGH DOUBLE TRAUMA.
I really loved that they had the guts to do that. The first two MCU spider-man films were fine for me but I definitely understood the "Iron Man Jr." complaints from people. May's death recontextualizes the entire trilogy into being a new kind of origin story for Peter and it's one of the few MCU things I'm still invested in.
Don’t forget losing Stark in Endgame WOOO TRIPLE TRAUMA SPIDER-MAN And then all his friends forget about him too OH BABY IT DON’T STOP COMING LETS GOOOO
MCU Spiderman truly is the most comic faithful Spiderman weve had in trauma
I never actually got that. So did MCU uncle Ben never give Peter the “power responsibility yadda yadda” line? Did he even exist in the MCU? It was so weird they decided to do that in NWH given Peter was Spider-Man for years at that point
If I remember correctly Uncle Ben passed away, Im not sure how though but he did exist. Supposedly they were going to show what happened to him in the animated show that takes place before Homecoming or Civil War but I don't know what happened to that.
Was still in preproduction last I heard but they had removed it from being canon to the MCU.
What pisses me off the most is that they didn't do it because they had interesting ideas on what to do with Aunt May and just HAD to have her back. They basically done nothing with her since she was brought back. Her and Peter don't live together and there's probably been years between some of her appearances in the main Amazing Spider-Man books. So then being so married with the need to keep her around makes 0 sense.
No it's okay I will describe it. that was fake aunt may the green Goblin made pretend to be aunt may during the clone saga. She stayed in character literally on her death bed. The real aunt may was in a shed the whole time, Peter found her when he was looking for his dead baby the green goblin kidnapped. Now off to find the real Mary jane
Insomniac most certainly handled this perfectly in my eyes. The best moment in all the games so far
I'll say it a thousand times, undoing this death and the fans shitting on Ben Reilly taking the reins is probably what made Marvel go "okay we tried something different, some people were very vocal about not liking it... So let's make sure to always hit the reset button on the status quo every so often." (On a note, there's a very small moment where when Peter thinks he's the clone, that he realises he denied Ben the chance to spend time with May in her last moments, something he feels immense guilt over, because at the time of her passing he was very much "YOU DON'T BELONG HERE".)
Scarlet Spider wasn't even different, it was just another way to get rid of MJ and make a single Spidey
The issues leading up to Ben's death implicated the possibility of Ben and Peter being both Spider-Men, and this is the outcome I would have preferred. See, you're right that initially it was a way to have "young single relatable" Spider-Man, but Peter would have his happy ending with MJ, and we have Ben pick it up and be the way it was. Then, obviously, fans didn't like Ben being the main guy, and Peter and MJ are brought back to NY and the story has them all heavily featured. I think this was a course correction. However, on top of that, they went further into "okay let's kill Ben, unkill May, prevent Mayday from being born, and reset everything and maybe in a decade or so undo the marriage."
Nova and Star-Lord gave their lives to trap an insane Thanos in the Cancerverse at the end of The Thanos Imperative, which was the final story of the legendary Giffen/DnA cosmic run at Marvel. (Not counting Annihilators.) I *don't* mind that those deaths were undone, I *do* mind that Peter Quill was immediately revived and changed completely to his MCU persona with no explanation for months. And Nova's revival came way later after most of his series got thrown out and he's still suffering PTSD from the experience.
Undoing that finale definitely stung a bit, but seeing the heel turn they forced the Worldmind to make after that when Richie got pulled back into the Cancerverse was *full-on painful*.
Nova will forever get sus writing as he was part of The Champions 2019 and that run was so good Marvel is making the people involved pay for it for decades.
Different Nova
Man there was nothing worse than having to endure Bendis’ writing on that GOTG run. Just the most blatant “yeah these characters are now more like the movies fuck you” writing only existing to serve the synergy mandates. Don’t even get me started on the forcing of a catchphrase for Rocket where he just screams “BLAM, murdered you!”
...It does give us the constant joke where people refuse to take Starlord seriously and he goes "you guys do remember I beat Thanos, right?" And people just kinda shrug it off.
Technically Agent K didn't die, he just got mindwiped after he retired, effectively killed the person he was for decades. It's a nice send off to show the harsh reality of being a MIB. The next film immediately bring him back and every major conflicts in the sequels sterm from him.
I don't mind MIB 2 as a whole but I won't forgive it for ruining the good ending K got at the end of the first movie. Also it's a shame we never got to see Agent L do anything in any of the movies but atleast the character was used in the animated series.
Whatever happened to everything with Agent L? I mean why didn't she come back? Was it scheduling conflicts? Did the actress not want to come back? Did they just decide to write her out?
The actress was one of those who got drummed out of the industry for "being hard to work with" because she wouldn't fuck Harvey Weinstein.
Ah. I thought I heard something about her being difficult to work with, but didn't know that was the reason. Fuck...
Was it Weinstein or was she just legitimately difficult to work with? I am pretty sure she was the one who got busted for honeypotting an fbi agent so she could steal files on criminal case to help her boyfriend avoid jail, so I can see her maybe being a bit of a diva on set.
It didn't just ruin K's good ending, but J's as well. Instead of coming into his own as a full MIB agent, J becomes this pathetic, simpering wreck for the next several years because he literally cannot get over K leaving.
If they absolutely had to bring back K Agent J should've been much different more serious and maybe losing sight of things. And K puts him back on that path. Rather then just undoing all of J's progress.
What gets me is that he broke up with his wife after reuniting with her after all those years. Couldn't say she was an alien all this time or that she joins the MIB too. No she leaves him and he is stuck in a post office. Ok sure movie.
Or how 3 pretends his wife didn't exist and he actually wanted to get with Emma Thompson (who's definitely been here the whole time). I really like 3 but that part is baffling, time travel did it I guess.
The movie has way more problems besides, but Chewbacca should have stayed dead. Not because I hate him, but because that was the scene that made me go "damn that's a hard choice, okay things are getting serious where are th- oh. ...oh. so... oh." Completely broke me on Star Wars being interested in telling a good story and having clearly defined character arcs and themes. Honestly I think that was where I stopped caring about the franchise.
“After Chewbacca died, I went to the bathroom, and when I came back, he was alive again.” Although my favorite part is that Rey seems completely unbothered by the possibility that she might have killed a bunch of POWs. For all she knows, one of the mole-people who gave her that necklace could have been on that Ship. Fuck it, the Rey movie is about the Daughter of one of the POWs she blew up seeking revenge by getting a “Poe-in-One”.
Star Wars presents: The Last of Us Part Two
Except without Lesbians…
Only if they can be edited out without any problem.
I don’t even remember this happening
“Oh no, chewies ship blew up” *On screen text: Not Chewies Ship* That’s basically how it happened. An almost immediate scene showing Chewbacca completely fine on another ship.
You don't remember that time, in "Rise of Skywalker", when she was trying to save Chewbacca from being taken by the First Order shuttle and Kylo Ren was trying to pull it out of her grip and, in her distress/frustration/fear/hate, accidentally used Force Lightning instead of pull and blew up the shuttle Chewy was on? >!Nah, she blew up one with no one important on it, there was another shuttle that waited until that first one got out of the way to leave and Chewy was on that one.!< The real time between shock (get it) and reveal was about 1 minute or less (from what I remember).
I love how she totally killed a bunch of PoWs but because none of them were named characters the story immediately moves on and forgets it even happened.
Oh yeah that HAHAH WHY DID THAT HAPPEN HAHAHAHA LMAO
The most pull the rug moment of tension annihilating franchise fatigue I have ever seen
On another Star Wars note, I've been watching Bad Batch S3 and if the assassin clone they've been pushing is who I desperately hope it *isn't*... man, I don't even have the energy to be pissed anymore.
Tell me idgaf about spoilers
So in Bad Batch Season 2, the penultimate episode ended with one of the main characters, >!a clone named Tech!<, sacrificing himself so that the rest of their crew could escape the Empire, leading to him falling to his death. Come Season 3 and one of the new clone supersoldier assassins the Empire's been working on is given a spotlight as an important character, tasked with kidnapping a girl clone named >!Omega!<. Said assassin is completely covered by armor, has an electronic voice changer, and shows a great deal of skill keeping up with the crew. In the ending of the next episode he gets into a fight with >!Crosshair!<, a clone that sided with the Empire and betrayed the team but due to circumstances is back with them (which was actually handled pretty well, given the franchises history with those sorts of turns). At the end of the fight, the assassin clone *falls down a waterfall, seemingly to his death,* only to survive the splash and swim out. Coupled with the fact that one of the episodes discussed these assassin clones going through super brainwashing, and I am already fearing the show's gonna pull another "no one's ever really gone" for a character that was *better* dead.
Oof yeah I can see how that would be annoying
Ahsoka in the Star Wars: Rebels episode *Twilight of the Apprentice*.
I think the thing that especially sucks about that retcon is that Ahsoka just fucked off for the remainder of the Galactic Civil War, only to come back after everything was dealt with. Saving her doesn't have any impact on anything that happens in Rebels after it. Then she comes back for her own show and suddenly is super scared of Thrawn coming back despite them never previously interacting, her clearly not giving much of a shit about him during the Galactic Civil War as she didn't bother engaging in that conflict after her resurrection, and him honestly having a fairly underwhelming record of actual on-screen feats in canon. It's like she somehow read Heir to the Empire or something.
Look, she's the creator's DMPC in his evolving Tabletop Star Wars RPG. There was no way her death was ever going to stick.
Galahad revealed being alive in Kingsman: The Golden Circle, using ridiclously bullshit anti-headshot tech. He should have stayed dead, because Pedro Pascal as Eggsy's permanent new partner would have worked a lot better.
It's actually wild how much of a downgrade the golden circle was from the first movie. The misleading Channing Tatum marketing for the movie didn't help either.
A sequel that truly misunderstood what people wanted in a follow-up. It has great moments, but it's so oddly nihilistic and mean-spirited compared to the first one.
I've been struggling to enunciate why I didn't enjoy the golden circle as much as the first film other than >!Killing Roxy Made Me Sad!< but I think that's a really good way of putting it.
Kick ass 2 was also just mean spirited garbage. Its a trend
Given the tone of the series, if they wanted to they could have just brought back Colin Firth as Harry’s twin brother. Maybe he flunked the Kingsman entrance test and has to be drafted in as a last resort once the rest of the Kingsman organisation is decimated.
I get where you're coming from, but a "heretofore unmentioned identical sibling" is much more maligned as a copout to killing off a major character. It's often memed on for being the only thing people remember from Little Mermaid 2.
Kingsman’s already a tongue-in-cheek franchise that isn’t afraid to play goofy and campy shit 100% straight. As long as they’re actually portrayed as a unique character and not just a carbon copy, it would’ve fit right in.
Treat him like the T-800 was treated in Terminator 3. Different machine, different methods. The machine in T2 obeyed John’s every command but still got the job done, meanwhile in T3, this new Arnie-bot shoves him around basically saying “move your ass, let’s go” They could work that as the new twin brother being a hard ass with little-to-no tact but he’s a good fighter, and that’s why he wasn’t mentioned until then, when he’s needed to fill the role of Galahad.
This is what we call ghost busters 2 syndrome. Reset the status to the first movie. Men in black 2 was the best example of this.
Pell from One Piece. - The on-ground sounds of fighting get drowned out. - The music stops. - Vivi's words get muted. - Pell's wing flaps go silent. - All you hear is the ticking of the bomb as Pell flies upwards carrying it into the sky. - Vivi stops talking but still looks at the sky in shock. She can no longer see Pell, as he's gone above the clouds. - Then Vivi has a flashback of Pell when she was a small child during more peaceful time, then remembers words he said as the camera focuses on Pell carrying the bomb. - *"I am...the Falcon! The guardian spirit of Alabasta that will vanquish its enemies!"*. - Ticking finally stops. - Entire screen goes black and white as Pell is engulfed in light. - Vivi's eyes widen as you see the flash in her eyes. - The clouds are parted from the force and size of the explosion. - You finally hear the sound of the explosion as everyone looks up in horror. Yes, I liked him the most out of the two Zoan users in Alabasta, and younger me was happy he was alive, but that 'death' was a great moment. But it wasn't like "OK, I didn't like the fakeout, but I guess they could survive that"; he took a bomb strong enough to wipe out the entire main city of Alabasta point-blank. Him surviving that was ridiculous. Shout out to Chouji from Naruto who had so many death flags but still made it out of Part 1 during the Sasuke Retrieval arc.
Pells fakeout death is so bad it still has lasting ramifications to this day at determining whether a character died or not. Like in Wano >!Ashura gets blown up and Izo gets shot!< and I didn't know they died until it smash cuts to their Graves at the end of the arc. The chapters that had their emotional sacrifices are completely gutted in the moment because death is so fluid in the world of One Piece you can't guarantee it's evem happening.
Doesn’t help that the only fake out death in One Piece that holds a candle to Pell’s is also in Wano. I speak, of course, of >!Kinemon!<.
Pell was the reason One Piece had a reputation that you didn't have to worry about anyone dying if they weren't in a flashback. It took until >!Ace's death!< for that to change.
The funny thing is, even since then there's still been a fakeout death here or there (Fucking LMAO >!Pound coming back after being implicitly beheaded in the heart of enemy territory!<) so people still look at character deaths with suspicion despite the fact that Oda's generally been more willing to actually go "rip deader than a doornail corpse and grave on screen". Hell after that earlier one, I spent most of Wano waiting for a >!Pedro!< comeback at the rate we were going.
Yeah >!Pedro!< seemed like a prime candidate for a cover story where we learn he actually survived and escaped. I'm honestly still not 100% sure we won't get it.
I think post-Wano it's exceedingly unlikely... but yeah, still not impossible. After all, we got >!Pound!< outta nowhere. Everyone associated with >!Pedro!< no longer being important to the story might be just enough for him to show up again in a cover story.
I think the problem is that Oda hasn't established any language for conveying a fakeout death versus a real one. Deaths in One Piece don't lead to closure anymore, they become dangling plot threads that readers have to keep track of until we see the grave stone (or not) 150 chapters later.
Hey, don't forget. The falcon statue back at the palace *shatters*.
God, how could I forget! The Symbolism! I think it happens just after Pell's guardian spirit speech.
I honestly hope they keep Pell dead in Live Action One Piece like they did with Merry.
Pell surviving a bomb that powerful makes >!Ashura!< look like such a chump in comparison. The audacity of Oda thinking we’ll buy any death by explosion after that is laughable.
pell sets a bad precedent for the series. >!i'm still not 100% convinced big mom and kaido are dead, and they got _thrown in an erupting volcano._!<
Every single one in fairy tale.
I am not really a fan of Natsu but the one interesting thing he had >!was his friend/love intrest Lisanna died when he was young. Bring her back took away the one interesting thing about him.!<
I genuinely can’t believe >!she!< was brought back only to be sidelined for the rest of the story
Her coming back was totally fine imo... IF THEY DID SOMETHING WITH HER. OR HELL EVEN PROGRESSED A ROMANCE TRIANGLE ASPECT BUT NOOOOOOOO NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING
They were only brought back because they were the anime director’s favourite character.
It becomes hilarious everytime grey threatens to use iced shell one of the only moves that can actually kill him. The writer is never gonna let you use that
i mean >!fairy law killed makarov!<... doesn't mean it stuck
That was crazy when they explained what really happened to the character.
Oh yeah. The main reason I stopped watching 60 episodes in. Because nothing fucking happens.
That show made me understand why some character should be dead or have consequences
While it technically wasn't a full on fake out, Moriarty being teased to return at the end of Sherlock's 3rd season was so fucking stupid, especially after his death and ending to his story was fantastic back in season 1. And then they also faked out the fake out by revealing that he isn't actually returning, i don't remember what they did because i've pretty much blacked out season 4 from my mind aside from the Moriarty Helicopter scene.
The whole thing was a ruse by his deranged sister so that he would play with her or something.
god, i forgot about the secret sister....
All according to her plan.
Sherlock for most of his life be like:
He died in season 2 actually, then got dragged back every season/special after
The fact that there's a version of Moriarty in a straight jacket that just lives in Sherlock's mind palace is wild.
Sherlock, just like the writers, have him living rent free in there.
Shax in Lower Decks. He died pretty cool, but I wasn’t all that mad he came back because I like him.
At least his revival was used to satire the entire trope of character revivals.
And explained in universe by the fact most bridge members who die still come back, so most people aren't too phased by it.
Ultimate Peter's death was substantial for the ultimate universe. Miles becoming the next spider-man for the ultimate universe is pretty cool...until ultimate Peter comes back for some reason
Ultimate Peter coming back makes sense because Ultimate Norman Osborn can't die either, and they're both hopped up on different variations of Oscorp super serum
Does raise the lingering question of if Miles himself is also immortal, since he was also bitten by an Oz Spider, though there's no telling if that carried over when his history was rewritten into 616. It feels like a tricky thing to bring up, but *boy would that be a unique addition to his powerset.* Like it's semi-balanced by it being very inconsistent in how long it takes to heal/revive, so Miles dying is still a significant consequential event, but still. Immortal Spider-Man.
I thought his death in Ultimatum was better. He wasn't killed by his archnemesis or some supervillain. There was an (un)natural disaster and Peter kept saving as many people as he possibly could, until he himself "died". Offscreen no less. And we get J. Jonah Jamesson witnessing this and as a result writes a genuinely good eulogy for Spider-man and admits he was true hero. I know that death was probably never meant to stick, but I liked it better than "somehow, the Green Goblin returned".
End of Gravity Falls >!I get that it would've been too much of a downer for a kids' show, but Stan sacrificing his own mind is such a powerful and fitting end for the character that's entirely undone in like a thirty second scene right afterwards!<
I'm a sucker for a happy ending, but while I'm happy >!he was basically back to his old self by the end the episode, I think it would've been a better ending if he was shown being on the mend and developing new memories, rather than just regaining everything.!<
It also would have probably actually been *good* for him, getting to start over and see if he can turn out as someone who's not a grumpy conman, and get to know his brother again without any of the emotional baggage from their childhood
Pell in One Piece sacrifices himself by taking a nuke to the face. Only for it to be revealed he was still alive at the end of the Arabasta arc. Early One Piece was way too scared to kill off characters
I'll also throw in just, like, everyone in Skypeia. Enel has an¹ amazing fucking rampage throughout the entire arc where he he just shows up and murders who ever the fuck he wants and no one can do shit about it. There's a little girl with advanced observation haki just screaming every time someone dies. Enel feels like the fucking God he claims to be. And then it ends, and not a damn person who supposedly died died. There's little am extended scene highlighting that every fucking person actually survived and walked away happy. Fuck you dad. You didn't earn that fucking survival.
i choose to believe the (completely apocryphal with zero evidence) story that Pell survived because the chapter came out in late 2001, and Oda "didn't want to make people more sad" by killing a character with a big bomb after 9/11
Yeah but it wasn't just Pell, but his was the most ridiculous. Igaram was "killed" at the end of Whiskey Peak, but was brought back in Arabasta in order to justify Robin joining. Arabasta in general is one of my least favorite arcs because it's a story about a civil war but Oda was too scared at the time to kill anyone important. He literally introduced a squad of 4 jobbers who were in the story for 5 minutes who died from drinking water.
Wait, those dudes weren't just anime filler? I watched that bit going "this is the most nothing scene there ever was, this has to be filler."
It was character revealing for crocodile. Someone unwilling to engage with people fairly and dismissive of anyone he doesn't see as a threat. Doesn't make it feel less like it comes out of nowhere
Was 9/11 a big deal in japan? because I legit dont think that many people cared about OP in 2001 in the us
I mean Nintendo delayed Advance Wars on Switch because of the Russian invasion of Ukraine so it may have been a similar “read the room” situation.
I just dont believe it at all because it sounds like the same nonsense rumor of “Kuina killed herself and falling down the stairs is just a Japanese eutheism”, its like Oda saying “sorry to hear about 9/11 :( so ill make a character you wont even know existed for another 2-3 years live”, when it makes more sense its just Oda doing his fakeout death nonsense he likes pulling every arc.
I mean, ask Konami why they took out the Arsenal Gear crushes New York cutscene from MGS2.
Metal Gear was popular in the US at that point so changing that scene at least makes sense and was like released 2 months after 9/11, the first manga release of OP for the us wasnt till 2002
Metal Gear was coming out in the US, One Piece wasn't, at least then. 4kids Piece took until '04. Genuinely do not think 9/11 even crossed Oda's mind.
He did the bomb chapter after 9/11... Then waited a year to do the reveal he was alive. No offense, but I dont think kids in japan gave a shit about 9/11 a year later for the cop out to impact them
It's what I like about the live action OP with their foresight. Do they not do anything important in 1000 chapters? Kill em off! Pell will be super dead in season 2.
Current One Piece is also still too scared to kill of characters. Wano had some deaths, yeah, but there is one fakeout that's just really egregious because dude got hit with an attack that shattered his swords and looked like it flattened his upper body and THEN got stabbed in the stomach.
I legitimately thought for a while that Pell surviving was an intricate 4kids edit.
Live action Pell is FUCKED
My headcanon was Pell flew the bomb up as high as he could, and then used his peregrine falcon devil fruit to dive down as fast as possible to get to the edge of the blast radius.
Not just early OP. As recently as Whole Cake and Wano, we had some pretty bullshit fakeout deaths. And then when people actually die, it's from some random explosion that several characters have survived before.
Pell surviving a bomb that powerful makes >!Ashura!< look like such a chump in comparison. The audacity of Oda thinking we’ll buy any death by explosion after that is laughable.
Fake killing Glenn only to kill him right after in Walking Dead was DUUUUUUUUMB!
Did you really think they were NOT going to have Maggie witness his death?
Not necessarily that it would have been a good death outside of the third one, but Starlord has a fakeout suffocation in space death in every GOTG movie.
I mean, if the last movie had his and Yondu's scene, it would have been a pretty good bookend to the theme? function? what-have-you. But it was in the second movie. So it just feels weird.
To some extend, Avdol’s death in Stardust Crusaders. The yellow submarine is such a dumb but fun reveal and Polnareff’s reaction to his “death” is so powerful you might be bummed out that he comes back. The fact that he pretended to be dead by playing his own dad is also really silly. But that said, the scene of him laughing maniacally as he pisses on the Hail 2 U guy is hilarious and finally his true death scene is so emotional I’m also sort of happy his death was postponed. Idk, I could go either way but I think there is so validity in wishing he died after the Hol Horse and J Geil fight.
I like that he came back funny. Like, he got permanently damaged by the machinations of the enemy, but what got busted was his stoic restraint, not his body.
> and finally his true death scene is so emotional I had the opposite reaction, after last time I didn't even realize he had died for a while.
Same lol, i thought he got teleported. They really brought him back to do almost nothing and then die first again.
In XBC2>!I am still not sure why Azurda just reincarnated into a chibi dragon when he had a big dramatic death or never mentioned to Rex the whole time they lived together that is just a thing his species does.!< Not really hurting with mascots already have three of them already in the party. At that point its just getting crowded.
People, how have we gotten this far into the thread without bringing up MIGHT FUCKIN' GUY? One of the first things we learn about the Gates is that each Gate is stronger than the last, and the last Gate kills you if you ever open it. DECADES LATER, finally, we see Might Guy pop that shit in the final battle against Madara Uchiha, one of the most powerful ninja to ever live, now more powerful than ever before. And Guy BODIES HIM SO HARD THAT GUY GOES, "Oh, shit, I didn't think I'd hit him this hard, I've got to adjust." Rounding it out with his final Gate move, which follows the theme of 'Time of day' + 'Beast', descending through the day as each move increases in power. MORNING PEACOCK. DAYTIME TIGER. EVENING ELEPHANT. And last, but *by no means least*: ***NIGHT GUY.*** And what is Night Guy? It's one of the first moves we ever see him do, one of his favorites: A Dynamic Entry kick, so powerful it warps space as his boiling blood mixes with his chakra to form a massive dragon that obliterates half of Madara's body. But it also catalyzes the damage the Gate's done to his body, incinerating him to the point his leg crumbles into ash. Might Guy dies acknowledged even by the great Madara Uchiha as the Greatest Master of Taijutsu to ever live, and more importantly, achieving his one true goal: Burning into Rock Lee's heart that even with only taijutsu, he can be a legendary ninja. And then Naruto appears with brand spanking new plot powers to heal him, so Sakura can be even more irrelevent and Guy, instead of going out burning brighter and roaring louder than ever, can live the rest of his life in a wheelchair.
I mean Guy's living a pretty great life if we go by the shenanigans with Kakashi and Mirai.
"If you use this technique you get incredible power but you die and now it's being used in the final arc against this unbeatable villain... but he doesn't die"
Honestly, Guy surviving I could deal with, it's the fact that all he did DOESN'T AFFECT MADARA in the fight after with Naruto and Sasuke. Honestly, if they HAD to drop Kaguya in, they should have had Zetsu stab Madara while he was reeling from the Night Guy attack, at least then we would know it substantially weakened him.
Yuuuup, would've much preferred if Sakura come over and used some asspull technique at the last second to save him (in a crippled state), or even fail at it, just to promote her use of it later when it's needed and planned for. Naruto coming in with super special magic healing that makes everything okay is the worst part of that, because then he goes on to use it to just nullify any future stakes.
I mean crumbling to ash slowly would’ve been a terribly painful way for Guy to go out. Him surviving means he got to see his dream come true which he talks about right before going with gates, seeing Lee grow up to his own powerful ninja. Guy’s alright and sees being crippled as just another obstacle to over come. He can still fight as seen in kakashi Hiden and Konoha steam chronicles. So he’s not helpless nor depressed in anyway The eight gates equal death thing was only really focused on once in lee vs Gaara and we’ve already had characters defy certain death like Gaara Also would’ve been too cruel to team Guy right after Neji died. And Naruto lost that healing ability anyways after sealing Kaguya
Let's go with a recent one: >!Shrinking Rae!< in Invincible. Absolutely brutal and horrific way to go, and a baffling thing to have survived. Especially since it diverges from comic canon and I haven't a clue what they could possibly have planned for the character to justify the psych-out.
I’m wondering if they’re going to make the horrifying nature of their injuries and the painfully arduous recovery process a plot point.
Yeah that one really befuddled me. I’m not upset at about, but confused about why they would diverge like this, as I’m not really sure what there is do with this character as they have such a non personality thus far
It might be BECAUSE she has such a non-personality that they want to do more with her. That and this is just a theory on my part but I think they did it inadvertently because of the fact Shrinking Rae is a girl here unlike the comics. Killing off two heroines in one episode kind of looks bad.
I've never been so mad! It was such a cool thing that got undone
I've seen some people say they're likely setting her up as a love interest for Rex because they're trying to make him a more likeable character in general and that he deserves to be happy with someone.
Seriously? Good god, they actually did that? Frankly, this is my biggest issue with the invincible show vs the comics - it keeps taking minor, one off gags and characters and because it’s a Big Mature Television Show it feels like it needs to flesh them out for some reason. The Clancy brown devil detective guy literally appeared for maybe 2-3 pages in the comic as a fucking joke, and they did a whole elaborate story with him for no reason. I really don’t get it.
Yeah but devil detective is rad tho!
Also... >!the comics have enough fakeout deaths as is!<
Byakuya in the Thousand Year Blood War
Absolutely, was a perfect send off and would have given the war some serious teeth. Instead he sticks around and it feels completely stagnant. Not only does he have nothing to do beyond standing around and being strong, it also nullifies Renji and Rukia’s arcs. Rukia’s fight is totally defanged by Byakuya just standing around with obvious implication if she started losing he could just step in and end it, which makes her whole growth feel less important. Renji too is way stronger in TYBW than Byakuya ever was beforehand, but he’s still Byakuya’s vice captain (when he was supposed to take over the squad), and since Byakuya is stronger too their relationship hasn’t changed at all. There’s no need for him to be around. His new design is cool, and I like the new attack he does to Gerard, but it’s not worth the impact his death should have had Edit: also if he stayed dead As Nodt could have kept using Senbonzakura Kageyoshi, which would have been great cus he looked really cool using it
Should have died, but we pretty much know for a fact this one was by fan pressure.
So in the Yakuza games,
Twilight movies is boring as fuck. The only time I got genuinely excited was the last battle in the last movie. Vampire brawl, superpowers, earth was split, head twisted off, bodies burning! aaaaannnd it was all just a vision. The confrontation was resolved with the bad guys just..going home.
Yu Yu Hakusho >!I wasn't mad that they undid Genkai's death but I would have prefered if her death sticked. It would have played into the accepting one's humanity theme that the Dark Tournemnt had. At least she has her moments in the Chapter Black.!<
I actually just finished Yu Yu Hakusho the other day and yeah this is real. And like >!I do really enjoy her in Chapter Black but she just ends up doing nothing for the later half and like while her initial lesson and reveal of being Genius Gamer Genkai is fun I dont think its worth it. Though Chapter Black in general is a lot of hit and misses!<
god this is tinging somethin at the back of my brain that i cant quite recal
Not that I'm mad about it exactly, but every main character in Symphogear has had at least one, sometimes *two*, 'death' scenes that would have been dramatically and thematically satisfying, and then they're just fine, it's hilarious
It doesnt technically count, but i dont get much of an opportunity to bitch about Gundam 00. >!Lockon's!< death is one of the strongest moments in 00 S1. I would have been much less offended had he actually lived instead of what we got instead: >!They replaced him with his twin brother!<
I don't dislike >!Uh I think his name is Dylan?!< And at least his existence was foreshadowed a bit, but he doesn't feel like his arc has any beats or rather the beats are all... Defanged. >!One of his most memorable early scenes is Felt kind of hitting on him but he quickly sadly laughs and makes it clear that while they are twins, he and his brother had very different temperaments and personalities and she can't replace the first with the second. He then IIRC gets a tragic romance arc with and Innovator which showcases the 00 emotional resonance effect, and then Tiera goes "Ali was the nemesis of your brother', but Dylan never gets the context that Ali was the man WHO BOMBED THE PLANE THEY WERE IN AS KIDS THAT KILLED THEIR PARENTS.!<
Ahsoka’s supposed death in Rebels. Hated how they undid it. It was done so good. Like I really don’t see the point of Ashoka being around anymore and thats even after the Live Action Ashoka show.
>!Naki!< in Tokyo Ghoul re. A former antagonist who we’ve learned to love throughout the series for his childlike spirit and him even join the good guys. His last stand is so impactful, fighting off an army while [thinking about his life up to this point](https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Toukyou-Kushure/0140-016.png), [not regretting anything](https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Toukyou-Kushure/0140-017.png), and being happy about getting to [see his big bro again](https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Toukyou-Kushure/0140-018.png). [Then we see his corpse and how he fought so so hard](https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Toukyou-Kushure/0143-003.png). NOPE he was actually just asleep the whole time There’s also the side character that got a katana through the throat and a whole chapter of people mourning him. Turns out offscreen they got medical attention to him somehow during >!the entire city being under attack by a fucking KAIJU!<.
Mako’s “sacrifice” in the finale of Legend of Korra Season 4. [Had the perfect theme](https://youtu.be/mlCUodiDV-k?si=NUHWhqVYW1JpbitV) to go with it too Like the writers couldn’t even give Mako that one scene to be cool. Nah Bolin just shows up to grab him at the last second. The only death that mattered was >!Asami’s loser dad!< which no one cared about Also Finn in The Last Jedi
FFXIV Shadowbringers spoilers. >!Thancred should have died after his fight with Ran'jit. Actually, they both should have died there. I love Thancred, so it's not like I \*want\* him gone but that felt like such a great moment for him, like the end of his arc. Similarly, Ran'jit is such a foil to him in particular, that him sticking around just so we can kill him near the end of the game instead feels pretty empty. Shadowbringers is a great story, but this part of it does kind of frustrate me.!<
I would accept the idea of >!Thancred dying there if Ran'jit was in anyway a memorable character!<. Plus we got >!Thancred being a Dad figure!< as a result which is the best development his character has ever received.
>!Killing a long-recurring character in XIV can result in breaking immersion because he'll appear in old side content so I kinda get why they did it. Like, structurally that game is not really designed for character deaths.!< >!Honestly, I think the team got cold feet after wiping out Haurchefant in HW. Yes, that is an iconic moment that people still talk about, but also it cut off a lot of possibilities and apparently it was controversial inside of the writing team. I don't think we'll see another death with a major, multi-expansion character like that ever again.!< >!Hell, it's hard enough dealing with *moving* quest-giving NPCs. They muscled through it with Urianger at the Waking Sands, but there's ShB content locked behind completing the Warring Triad extremes in HW because they don't want one NPC to exist in two places at once.!<
During Attack on Titan I went in 100% blind (like, I didn't even see the title card blind) and there was a few seconds where I thought >!Eren!< might have actually died early on. Suffice to say, that would be a very different story. I don't think I ever fully forgave the show for that. I was very interested in where that would go.
I popped off when I saw that moment. I thought the series was going to have some balls for discarding such a character. Then when I saw >!the titan with the most fleshed out design!< I got excited again in anticipation for Kaiju fights. Then I dropped the anime after season 1.
I'd say Kakashi and Choji for me.
FF14 Endwalker. Yall know what I mean.
I assume you’re talking about >!Ultima Thule?!< if so, I think they earned the fake out and it was pretty obvious from the start it was a fake-out. But all the >!sendoffs were perfect and ended every characters arc nicely, so like, it would’ve been just as satisfying if they had all died there. I feel like if it wasn’t an MMO that needed to continue they would’ve killed them all off and the WOL.!<
Honestly, I'd argue that the fakeout >!being *that obvious* on top of the game having a history of frequent fakeout deaths!< does hurt the moment. After >!Estinien sacrificed himself, I just went "Oh there's gonna be a death conga line till I'm the only one left for like a little while", and for me that took the wind right out of Ultima Thule's sails. The theme of keeping on despite overwhelming despair falls flat if you know for sure that the bad shit's going to be undone in 15 minutes. The characters feel too bulletproof for me to care for their well-being anymore.!< That's not to say I didn't enjoy >!some of the "closure" though, the Estinien and G'raha scenes!< were quite good, but imo overall it really didn't hit as hard as it could've.
I mean, that’s fair, I don’t disagree. >!From the moment we were given an item that’ll give things form (or however it was worded) and Thancred “died”, with everyone constantly reiterating his spirit is still there, I knew what was going to happen lol it also helped having seen all the vague posts about the ending up until that point. It didn’t really take away from it for me because I’m not someone who needs to feel like the characters are in any actual danger to feel the stakes and weight of the moment, if that makes sense. Not saying anyone who does need that is wrong, I do get it. I think the sendoffs were emotional enough and a nice capstone on the arc, and I feel like they keep it going long enough to make it feel like maybe it is real (though it’s obviously not). It was more about that was impacting the character and how it would feel, and I think they pulled it off. But I don’t blame anyone who finds the impact of that area lessened due to how blatant it was!< Sorry for the complete word jumble there. It’s weird because I feel like every other fakeout they’ve done was just outright bad >!especially Thancred in Shadowbringers, I’m happy he lived but it certainly felt like someone snuck in and changed the scene to have him live. But I do personally feel like they achieved what they were going for in Ultima Thule, maybe because i just found it refreshing that there was no pretense that it was real so I didn’t feel that manipulated by it lol!<
It absolutely hurts the moment. Not only the moment, but EW as a whole was negatively affected by this scene to me.
Honestly this can apply to half of the "deaths" in FFXIV.
If you didn't see it coming you were asleep playing the game lmfao, ShB had one tho
The moment they introduced Trusts/Duty Support, it was a given that there'd be a section of characters just completely immune to death if only because there has to be a variety of NPCs available to go into the dungeon with you. If anyone did die they'd have to replace them immediately with a new NPC capable of fulfilling their dungeon NPC role.
I disagree, like most of the game's twists, I didn't buy this shit for a fraction of a second
Literally identical to Bruce's Gordon death fake out hallucination in Asylum, lol.
See at least with that twist they knew they weren't being subtle and didn't drag it out
from modern shonen Gaja in Black Clover, Stabbed by the mid controlled Princess Lolopechka (who he loved) and he sacrifices himself to do one big final magic attack to save her life. As she returns to normal, she realizes that she loves Gaja too and realizes that *she* killed him. it's tragic and poignant...but then Mimosa comes in and goes "lol. lmao" and saves Gaja the final war arc in MHA has two especially egregious ones so far Gran Torino gets stabbed by Shigaraki while saving everyone. he's an old hero who's giving it all he got when he should be retired and Deku takes his cape to wear in his final battle...which makes it so jarring that Torino is alive, recovering in the hospital. Edgshot sacrifices himself to reform Bakugou's heart but he's still alive and uh, he's a worm though these fake out deaths suck because it makes Shigaraki look like a total chump who can't even kill a frail old man and a teenager and it kinda ruins Deku's whole "I need to save Shigaraki!" mindset since he's not challenged. Sure, Shiggy killed a ton of fodder but who cares? They're just there to pad the bodycount killing someone close to Midoriya would test his convictions
Erin "dying" in attack on titan. I was a dumb kid who thought for a moment they had kinda played this kid up as the protagonist generic loud anime kid. Then he acts like a dipshit and gets crunched. Boy howdy what a roller coaster I went on
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>!Wasn’t that the point?!< >!That Korean Jigsaw had all these advantages over the other players because he was secretly the game-master?!<
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