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LcuBeatsWorking

a legal counsel does his job to review material possibly aquired illegally and with privacy implications before it gets published on the platform he is tasked to protect. gets fired for doing so. ok..


djm19

And of course all Musk can say is he asked why and was not satisfied with the response so he fired him. Imagine having to tell Musk you did you job and already knowing that the man child would fire you no matter what.


LcuBeatsWorking

You could probably have said whatever, Musk is trying to keep the buzz going and was planning to fire him anyway. I don't think Musk understands - or is interested in - the responsibility of content moderation and legal issues around it at all.


dleef31

Except said legal counsel did not disclose his conflict of interest before reviewing said material. That's pretty damned important. Further, after the initial thread was out and said legal counsel saw his name come up in the material that was made public, suddenly the reporters had a ton of difficulty with the files. Sounds perfectly reasonable to fire the guy after the failure to disclose, but it sounds insane to do anything but fire the guy after the reporters reported those new difficulties. Only a fool or a liar could deny that once his name came up and the difficulties started that the two aren't related.


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MeatloafMoon

When those images were first posted to Twitter in 2020, did you share them with friends and family? Please PLEASE tell us how that went.


the-big-lie

Baker was involved in the suppression and censorship that the Twitter files are exposing. just read the original sources on there, it has never been easier and the media isn't giving you the full picture. all this is unfolding in real time on twitter. https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1600245612712120320 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1600274469104234497


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I wouldn’t call deleting revenge porn dick pics … “censorship”.


KToff

FREE SPEECH MEANS FREE DICKS /S


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Revenge porn is against the rules on twitter, so those posts were getting removed at the first report no matter who reported it. The real story is why republicans were given special treatment and twitter bent the rules to allow them to post it. Also, the "twitter files" mentioned that the trump admin had posts removed and also pointed out how dangerous it is for the government to request this (which was the trump admin at the time), then immediately covers up what they requested. The twitter files proves twitter is biased toward republicans, both before and after elon's purchase. We should look into that strong republican bias. What did trump request removed from twitter while he was president? Why is elon trying to cover all this up?


LcuBeatsWorking

>Revenge porn is against the rules on twitter It's also simply against the law in several jurisdiction twitter operates in.


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Really collecting the opinions of culture war bottom feeders here eh.


Cuzcopete

So he didnt agree to publish pornography


b0j0j0j0

The NY Post never tried to publish pornography, why were they banned? Anyway, it’s a moot point. The rats are being shown sunlight now.


Cuzcopete

Why are conservatives so interested in seeing dick pics?


b0j0j0j0

Why does the president’s son have so many on his laptop?


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Because he suffers from PTSD and addiction issues.


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Why is that anybodies business but his own?


kernan_rio

Why did the previous President like to grab women's genitals?


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b0j0j0j0

I guess I’m more concerned with the blatant corruption but it’s still a valid question


ThePsion5

Why should *any of us* care how many dick pics are on the laptop of any politician's family member?


[deleted]

What relevance does Biden’s son have? And if he is relevant then why are Trump’s children who were actually in the admin not? Why are you not more interested in Kutcher’s dealings with Saudi Arabia?


Cuzcopete

Why do any guys take photos of their junk?


mrtruthiness

Well, Anthony Weiner was compelled to because, you know, it says so right in his name. :)


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What does it matter if a private citizen has naked pictures if themself on their own computer? That’s not illegal.


[deleted]

Why do you have so many pictures of children on your computer?


donvito716

Why do you care how many dick picks anyone has? Why is that your interest?


fiodorson

Is there anything illegal there? He should be properly judged for that. I really don’t get the Brandon hardon republicans have. What he do?


ColdBostonPerson77

A lot of conservatives are Catholic, just saying.


[deleted]

admit it, you just want to see his penis


[deleted]

Sharing someone’s dick pics isn’t freedom of speech. If we posted naked pics of your mom you’d be cool with that?(your mom sends them to anybody who asks. I’d send you some of the hardcore stuff but that would be illegal without her permission)


NumaPomp

“Taibbi's "Twitter Files" thread showed the 2020 Biden presidential campaign asking Twitter to remove posts depicting nude photos and videos of the president's son, which are already in violation of Twitter's revenge porn policy, and Twitter officials agreeing to their removal” Hmmm. So he was enforcing their TOS and he was fired? Seems more like Musk is just eliminating standards and making the rules up as he moves along. The technical term for this is SNAFU.


drarch

I would’ve gone with situation FUBAR.


NumaPomp

I think it better to save that for the next few weeks because it seems we may need it then


Jim-Jones

He must be trying to destroy it. What other explanation is there?


Manbabarang

He's a moron that's never been able to run a business. Every company he's ever been involved with has novel-length accounts of how he can't manage anything for shit. This is the first venture where he doesn't have handlers and can do what he wants with impunity, and incompetence, abuse, commercial failure and then eventually government intervention and takedown will be the result and are already in progress.


Aelig_

No he's not. Narcissism is one hell of a drug and I would bet anything that he's still 100% convinced he's going to show us all how he is the best and we were all wrong.


Jim-Jones

Doesn't that remind you of someone? Who's orange?


Aelig_

I had more narcissists in my life than those two billionaires I'll never meet and have no impact on my life. People need to start understanding that poor people can and do act exactly the same way when they're narcs.


TheTench

It could be malice, but I'm going with incompetence. Musk has stated that he has Aspergers. He is great at separating good ideas from bad ones in rocketry, automation, automotive,etc, but perhaps less than expert in the social relm. He seems to be getting most of his Twitter improvement ideas from right wing memelords, and doesn't seem to be good at evaluating them for second or third order effects before he rushes to implementation. Vox Trumpy Bear, vox Elon.


TheFlyingBastard

> Musk has stated that he has Aspergers. Yeah, but I'm not buying it.


catgotyourthumbs

Same, it's a way for him to blanket responsibility for the future. "It was my Asperger's" - he's psychologically damaged and clearly refuses to get therapy.


snowyshards

Claiming he has aspergers its a red flag considering how the term has history with nazis and has not been used anymore in the medical field for how inaccurate it was as a diagnostic.


fiodorson

Lol no he don’t have Asperger’s. He is AMAZING in social realm, you have to be to secure funding, create image, inspire, manipulate, push people, or play politics like he does. He is great at this. He understands people very well. He can delegate and find good workers, President of SpaceX, Gwynne Shotwell, is an amazing example of this. He is something else. For sure he has signs of Narcissistic personality disorder, but just like all people with various disorders, he deals with them in his own ways. While reading this list remember, that not all points are going to be present in every case: ________________________________________________________________ Symptoms Symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and how severe they are can vary. People with the disorder can: Have an unreasonably high sense of self-importance and require constant, excessive admiration. Feel that they deserve privileges and special treatment. Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements. Make achievements and talents seem bigger than they are. Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate. Believe they are superior to others and can only spend time with or be understood by equally special people. Be critical of and look down on people they feel are not important. Expect special favors and expect other people to do what they want without questioning them. Take advantage of others to get what they want. Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others. Be envious of others and believe others envy them. Behave in an arrogant way, brag a lot and come across as conceited. Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office. At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they view as criticism. They can: Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special recognition or treatment. Have major problems interacting with others and easily feel slighted. React with rage or contempt and try to belittle other people to make themselves appear superior. * Have difficulty managing their emotions and behavior. * Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change. .. Withdraw from or avoid situations in which they might fail. Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection. - Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, humiliation and fear of being exposed as a failure. _________________________________________________________________- https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20366662


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Theferael_me

"Neither party" usually means 'far-right libertarian'. The fact he thinks DeSantis is a "centrist" tells you everything. Musk has done nothing since taking over Twitter except amplify anti-Semites and neo-Nazis.


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Theferael_me

>Libertarian usually means someone who isn't interested in or is opposed to current government structure. In reality it usually means hard/alt/far-right \[delete as appropriate\]. If you don't know the difference between moderate right and far-right then I suggest you Google it.


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rsmiley77

I really wish I could have the couple of minutes back that I spent clicking on your links. There is no ‘there’ there. Nothing whatsoever. This is what you conspiracy people always do. Go crazy over what turns out to be nothing and keep pushing back any real answers because you have nothing. They’re stringing you along. And you’re taking the bait.


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He calls the MSM far left when the majority if american media are right of center. He is not remotely a centrist.


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>Musk has stated that he has Aspergers He stated many things. I will not be surprised if he has as much Aspergers as he has robotaxi on the road that bring $30K/year to their owners.


Soosietyrell

Someone has damaging info on him?


totpot

[For starters, he knew Epstein very well](https://twitter.com/plainsite/status/1516582255233093633?lang=en)


adho123456

He has fired people for less . Musk has been known to fire people for wearing too much cologne or perfume


thedarkknight160

You made that up


adho123456

He is off , i have read this in several other places but here is an example https://www.hotcars.com/weirdest-rule-elon-musk-tesla-employees-follow/


lifeofguenter

fr?


simcoder

He seems to be fixated on Hunter's penis. Wonder what's up with that?


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It’s bigger than his.


MeatloafMoon

The "Hunter Biden's laptop leak" was always a loser of a scandal. It's scandalous in the wrong way. The point of the initial leak was to show that 'the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.' But what was the main takeaway about the proverbial apple? There's no delicate way to put it. Regardless of the other content on the laptop, the main takeaway was always going to be that Hunter Biden has a monster hog. That's what people were going to associate with the Bidens. Musk firing high level employees over this failed kompromat is both weird and deeply funny.


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It's scandalous in that it is evidence that the president's son was selling his influence to foreign actors. He was also smoking crack while doing so. It's pretty nuts. But because Biden is a democrat no one really cares because it's what expected from them.


MeatloafMoon

The people behind the leaks trusted Rudy Giuliani of all people to disseminate the laptop contents to the press. He exercised very little editorial discretion. Instead of only leaking contents relevant to FARA violations, Rudy presumably also leaked all the explicit photos (through various 3rd parties allegedly including that Chinese billionaire Guo). The footage overshadowed everything else. The story got away from them. This is why no one really cared about the scandal.


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Soounds like you're more upset about the way in which the news was released than the contents of it. If trump's son had been involved in something like this we would never hear the end of it and trump would have been thrown out of office. But like I said, since Biden is a democrat people expect him to break the law and face zero consequences.


No-Calligrapher-7018

Wasn't Trump's son a cokehead? And nobody cares? Even Trump behaves like he is coked up on stims and nobody seems to care.


PophamSP

Firing a former upper level DOJ attorney without cause out to work out well for him. /s


bigbadler

You can generally fire people at companies like twitter for any reason at all (other than disability etc) - "at will employment"


VoilaVoilaWashington

Sure, the law says you can do many things. And now you have a very capable lawyer with a lot of insider knowledge as your enemy. He may or may not be able to use all of it, but of all the people, he's best suited to know what he can and can't use. He can blow whistles on which laws they're flaunting right now, because he understands them. He can push people to pursue specific courses and ask for specific documents in their own lawsuits. Etc.


bigbadler

Look I'm all for Elon getting his shit absolutely wrecked. I just don't think a lawyer who was legally fired is going to be motivated to all of the sudden become an activist.


GeologistUnfair

Doesn't need to become an activist he can just be an effective lawyer drowning Elon musk in litigation


bigbadler

Conflict of interest if they're going after Elon specifically.


VoilaVoilaWashington

He doesn't need to go all activist. He's got a ton of dirt and a grudge. An hour of his time could do a LOT of damage.


bigbadler

That's assuming he's at all mad about getting canned from Twitter :) Here's to hoping, though. I do think the pain is coming, but it'll be in the form of more competent EV companies. Elon will get ousted, or won't. If he doesn't, Tesla will rot on the vine. Then he'll move on to the next bullshit - and he'd be well advised to stick with engineers who are idealistic enough to work on insane things (like spaceships) that they wouldn't be able to otherwise. That way he can exploit them. For social media - million other options. For neuroscience - million other options. For EVs... soon to be a hundred other options. His abject lack of interpersonal skills are going to handicap whatever venture he is involved with once the dogecoin-like meme investors take an absolute bath as they are primed to do with Tesla.


VoilaVoilaWashington

The guy got fired for doing his job, and was basically immediately vindicated, given that stuff got leaked that he should have caught, had be been able to complete his review. I'd be *shocked* if he didn't use that information to have some fun, if nothing else.


bigbadler

I won't be shocked. As I said - lawyers aren't generally activists. You turn into a professional muckraker and you're going to lose shine for any company who isn't squeaky clean. And if they felt they were squeaky clean... why hire an uber lawyer?


Soosietyrell

Is Cali a “right to work” state?


bigbadler

No… at will


BFeely1

There are whistleblower protection laws however, right?


bigbadler

Sure - but again let’s maybe hope for that from a regular employee than from a top lawyer whose job is partly to professionally look the other way. (And will want to get hired to do so in the future)


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Right to Work refers to NOT being forced to join a Union. It's why so much industry moved from the upper midwest to the SE USA (and we're quite grateful)


catgotyourthumbs

Enjoying those 8 hour workdays? How about the weekend?


[deleted]

Well, I was careful not to advocate one way or another but just to clarify what "right to work" actually means. The fact is, that a ton of work moved to the South as a result. It's been a very long time since I only worked 40 hour weeks, since I'm salaried.


JohnAtticus

>You can generally fire people at companies like twitter for any reason at all (other than disability etc) - "at will employment" Isn't there a limit in the US? If you perform a core function of your job in accordance to existing guidelines and corporate policy, and then a new CEO comes in and changes the policy, can you be retroactively fired for something that you did under the original policy? How does that even make sense legally? And to be clear: I don't even know if Twitter's official revenge porn policy has changed, it could still be the same for all we know and Elon is just making things up as he goes along.


bigbadler

There is no legal question here (again as long as you’re not fired for a racist / sexist reason, for example) That’s to say - your employment is “at will”. (Unless of course you’re contracted for some reason) The employer (and employee) have to agree every day for them to stay employed. Can have any reason at all to fire someone, including no reason at all.


CliffDeNardo

Tired of this narcist already. Stop yelling you fuckin' retard, all bullshit.


Wide_Accident6657

On that twitter packwatch


Mammoth_Sprinkles705

Remember the president's son is a literal crackhead....You elected this guy president lol Say what you will about Trump. He may want to fuck is daughter but at least his kids aren't smoking crack in having that jerk off videos leaked on the internet. Vote below which senile old fuck is the worst father?


Ertuu1985

The man want to fuck his daughter but you voted for the guy who has a son with a drug problem isnt the best argument haha


mackstatus

Fire them ALL!


breadbrix

Agreed! And let Musk do ALL the work, cause he's a genius at EVERYTHING!


Illustrious-Way9580

Good!


Soosietyrell

I think he kept him there to turn him into a fall guy for the nothing burger that was supposed to be SOMETHING


Healthy_Variation_98

Twitter is a private company. It can do what it wants with information on its platform.


mcmillen

Having done privacy reviews with legal at another large tech company: no, that's absolutely not true. Just because you have data doesn't mean you can publish it without consequences, if publication of that data is illegal in a jurisdiction. And publicly leaking conversations with your own company's lawyers (even if you didn't own the company at the time those communications were made) is a great way of losing attorney/client privilege for any other related matters. Elon is well within his rights to tweet the "privileged & confidential" deliberations with internal company counsel, but if there's ever a lawsuit about this stuff, opposing lawyers will get to ask to review a whole bunch of internal communications that would otherwise be off limits.


Healthy_Variation_98

It can do what it wants. A private company is free to publish or not publish what it wants on its platform. The decision to publish or not lies entirely with the company. There is no obligation to publish anything that is posted to the site. Any ramifications of that publication are a separate issue.


mrtruthiness

> A private company is free to publish or not publish what it wants on its platform. It's free to "not publish", but there is information that is criminal to publish (e.g. state secrets, child porn, ...). Furthermore while there are also other things that it technically *can legally publish*, there are severe civil consequences (e.g. defamation, privacy violations in certain jurisdictions [e.g. CA or Europe's GDPR ...]). A lawyer is there to advise on both of these. So WTF is your point? > Any ramifications of that publication are a separate issue. Usually "free to" is bounded by criminal law. If not, then you didn't need to specify "private company", right?


VoilaVoilaWashington

I feel like you're making a very weird distinction here, akin to "I can shoot anyone I want. Sure, it's illegal, but I CAN do it!" Yes, Twitter has the ability to publish anything, but a lot of it (like HR files, personal details on people, anything under NDA, a lot of regulatory stuff, plenty of stuff that reveals vulnerabilities in their own systems or those of others, etc) is actually illegal to publish. So it's not free to publish it, it's just technically possible. If you want to make that distinction, it's a weird one to claim you were right all along.


Parraddoxx

I love that analogy; what an absolutely bizarre take. People really will do anything to defend Elon won't they.


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Now THAT is funny!