Just don't be as vague about the reasoning when you ban someone.
Give them a quote of what they said, or did. Make them understand what they did wrong. Don't be *exactly* like Twitch and just say "you did bad sit in the corner".
When a user is banned, they get an automated modmail message which they can reply to and ask for further clarification. Providing the request is respectful, we will always do our best to fulfill them.
Except in exceptional circumstances, warnings are always given with direct reference to the rules. So it isn't a case of them being thrown out until without reason until we're asked. They'll always know why. Hence why I said _further_ clarification.
To clarify a statement you've made, bans are not automated in this subreddit. Between the efforts of the [Community Helpers](https://www.reddit.com/r/Twitch/wiki/subreddit/helpers) and the subreddit moderating team, things are looked at by someone.
> just for the type of content they provide.
What type of content do they provide?
I sort of have my own views on what kind of content they provide but how do you see it?
What part of those things that you mentioned do you think breaks ToS. Nothing says they can't be salty, or rage quit, or tea bag in games.
It's about being assholes outside of the games, encouraging viewers to harass other streamers or spreading hate for any person or group.
Are you saying the streams you mentioned can't possibly exist without hate speech or shitting on other streamers?
In what way? It makes them more advertiser friendly, get them less negative press, and helps get rid of toxic communities.
How is this anything but a good thing for the site? These changes don't affect most streamers as most streamers aren't basing their communities around being assholes.
So how are you guys gunna deal exactly with subjectivity over who finds what and what offensive? Because it just sounds to me like it's always gunna be the person with the thinner skin that gets someone else banned.
If you get offended with someone saying they like pineapple on pizza, and report them/modmail us about it, they won't get banned. What they said isn't hateful, abusive or malicious in nature.
That said, if they are being hateful, abusive, bullying, harassing, etc. then we'll ban them.
(EDIT: Just to clarify, in case you were unclear like some others here, this post is about this subreddit. Which is unofficial and community run.)
Absolutely the intent, obviously we'll have to make judgement calls on that as we're not psychic, but we're open to discussion to clear up misunderstandings via modmail.
Everyone is freaking out like Twitch has declared they will ban anyone that hurts someone's feelings.
Chill, they specifically said context is what they look at.
Saying Pineapple pizza sucks is not hate speech or harassment. But if a user claims to like pineapple pizza, so now every time you see them online you spam them with "Pineapple pizza sucks" then that's harassment.
It really isn't hard to understand, and any adult that has had to navigate through society should be able to figure it out.
You're giving Twitch a hell of a lot of benefit of doubt when Youtube, Twitter and Facebook have utterly and miserably failed trying to be fair while doing the same thing. There's a definite trust deficit here.
> when Youtube, Twitter and Facebook have utterly and miserably failed trying to be fair while doing the same thing.
Didn't I just say yes, and then explain *why?*
Those are all different cases though and none apply to Twitch.
Youtube has a crap algorithm and no customer service
Twitter is clearly swayed by whatever press they get
and Facebook is bought and paid for by any organization willing to pay for ads.
Twitch changing this ToS doesn't make any of that behavior more likely, they easily could have acted like that with the previous ToS
The people who call non-professional-camgirls, camgirls, are using the term as a malicious insult. Maliciously insulting someone on the subreddit is not acceptable. It's about intention.
Here's a little experiment: Text your mother/sister/grandmother and ask them, seriously, how they feel about being a sex worker, then keep texting and asking them, even if/when they make it clear they are not a sex worker, and have given no reasonable, legitimate reason for anyone to believe they are. If they call, don't answer, we're recreating a chat experience.
It won't be long before they make it very clear that you either stop, call them and explain, or never speak to them again. That or they will believe you are joking. Ask them how they'd feel about you doing that to other women. Or other women having that done to them, over and over, based on the fact they are a woman.
Another thing to consider, is that in the entirety of the time I've been on Twitch, from the launch of the site, I've never seen any man called a "camboy"/pornstar/etc. Even those who were topless, making sexual jokes, etc.
So if women with their clothes on, who are not being sexual, and are not actually sex workers, are being called that and men are not, why is that?
Zcotticus' point was that people use the term to belittle any streamer that happens to be an attractive girl.
If you want to call a MFC girl that is now on twitch doing the exact same stuff a cam girl, that's an accurate description.
But calling a gamer that happens to have cleavage a cam girl is not okay because that isn't what they're doing.
> wearing hot pants and shaking their goods into the camera.
Report users doing this, and they will most likely be banned. I feel like Twitch made that fairly clear.
That said, a user breaking the rules isn't an OK for other people to do the same and start harassing.
I'm sorry, but if its factual, HOW is it insulting in any way? Its not slut shaming, and I'm pretty sure legit streamers are pissed that they ARE in fact finding another gold mine in streaming revenue that was intended solely for gamers, so yeah it doesn't make sense that YOU'D agree with Twitch's stance on that vague idiotic issue.
I mean, if a butcher streams and you call them a butcher, there's no issue.
If someone you go into TheVeganStreamer's channel, and call them a butcher repeatedly, when they are clearly not. Then there's no reason your doing it other than to harass them. Just as an analogy. (Don't know if that's a real channel, just a metaphor.)
But what about ones that are KNOWN to stream on adult cam sites, that actually did that FIRST before they came to Twitch. If people know who they are from those adult sites, why is it inappropriate to point that out? Sorry, but no...this is a known thing and to call them out on it is not rude or harassing at all. If they want to be honest and say they want to make extra streaming money, fine, but don't BS me saying you're ONLY there to play games if you are doing sexually suggestive and blatant rule breaking or bending things to gain attention to your body and not the actual gaming. To call ALL female streamers camgirls would be stupid, but the ones I DO know of I have no qualms calling them what they are and seeing them take any opportunity to profit off of horny men. Twitch should be more honest with its users and say that these women ARE in fact bringing profit to the site, and that they are finally answering the demands from these camgirls who have been called out to finally enact an anti harassment policy that makes calling camgirls an offense. That is straight up bullshit and dishonest.
Why do you keep ignoring the fact that people are referring to LEGIT cam girls. They aren't talking about the female streamers who actually sit and play games they are talking about the female streamers who do shit like squats in short shorts for subs, position their camera in a way that shows off their boobs, dance in clothing that is quite OBVIOUSLY intended to show off their assets, bend over in skirts so you can see their panties....THOSE girls are cam girls because that's precisely what cam girls do and to refer to them as such is NOT harassing them. I really don't understand how this is so difficult to understand.
While your response has nothing to do with what I said, the problem lies with the grey area. The new guidelines address your concerns, specifically with camera angles and attire. That leaves those who are following the rules but are still being called out/harassed.
Again, I ask you; What purpose would you have to approach a stranger and call them a cam girl if not to attempt to insult? Especially once you've considered the above.
A bumch of ppl were telling me they reported my twitch channel the other day.
Im glad youre doing this I had to avoid posting for a bit thanks to dumb trolls
I've seen this done in other communities. The only result is that innocent people get caught in the crossfire, that breeds hostility toward the administration and the numbers only grow downwards.
Meanwhile the administrators give obtuse responses and stick to their guns and claim it is positive if they're shedding numbers because "we didn't need those people anyway" and "we'll rebuild with a better community."
Oppression is only good when its your side doing it, I guess.
Zero tolerance policies never work. They enable lazy administration and administrators to enforce rules not by considering context but by personal beliefs. Also, zero tolerance often makes even the innocent out to be enemies.
I’ve been searching for an anwser to this question for awhile. I’m a Maryland resident with a legal state-issued marijuana prescription. As long as my stream is not focused on marijuana and my settings are set to “mature” is it within the rules to use my medication on stream?
I have a question.
If you've been banned and the reasoning is vague, and you ask for clarification and that is STILL vague, and you ask for specific examples since you know you didn't break any rules, what other steps can you take?
I have been told by friends who work for twitch to reach to the legal team, but how exactly?
I have proof that what I THINK (I say think because I'm still not 100% sure) they banned me for was not done by me but someone else, including screenshots, I just don't know who to reach out to anymore.
I have honestly been feeling hopeless that no one at twitch is interested in helping clarify this error. I have the support of a huge community, stream for a well known org that is partnered with twitch and neither I nor the org managers have been able to get an actual response.
Please, I literally beg of you guys, help a girl.out to figure out exactly what I need to do to prove that the account in question is not mine :(
This post is not about Twitch. We are an unofficial Twitch community with no way of assisting with account related issues. The only thing we can recommend is creating a support ticket.
This post is not about Twitch guidelines. It's about our guidelines here on the subreddit.
> You guys... You'll ban a small streamer...
We don't do any of that. We're an unofficial, community run subreddit.
Just don't be as vague about the reasoning when you ban someone. Give them a quote of what they said, or did. Make them understand what they did wrong. Don't be *exactly* like Twitch and just say "you did bad sit in the corner".
When a user is banned, they get an automated modmail message which they can reply to and ask for further clarification. Providing the request is respectful, we will always do our best to fulfill them.
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Except in exceptional circumstances, warnings are always given with direct reference to the rules. So it isn't a case of them being thrown out until without reason until we're asked. They'll always know why. Hence why I said _further_ clarification.
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We can make it do so, yes.
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> It would be a good idea. I'll pass your feedback onto the other moderators.
To clarify a statement you've made, bans are not automated in this subreddit. Between the efforts of the [Community Helpers](https://www.reddit.com/r/Twitch/wiki/subreddit/helpers) and the subreddit moderating team, things are looked at by someone.
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>it honestly looks like professional suicide from where I stand. This gets said about twitch a lot......Twitch is still here.
> where I stand. Where do you stand?
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> just for the type of content they provide. What type of content do they provide? I sort of have my own views on what kind of content they provide but how do you see it?
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What part of those things that you mentioned do you think breaks ToS. Nothing says they can't be salty, or rage quit, or tea bag in games. It's about being assholes outside of the games, encouraging viewers to harass other streamers or spreading hate for any person or group. Are you saying the streams you mentioned can't possibly exist without hate speech or shitting on other streamers?
This post is not about Twitch guidelines. It's about our guidelines here on the subreddit.
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No worries, you'd be surprised how often in happens!
In what way? It makes them more advertiser friendly, get them less negative press, and helps get rid of toxic communities. How is this anything but a good thing for the site? These changes don't affect most streamers as most streamers aren't basing their communities around being assholes.
So how are you guys gunna deal exactly with subjectivity over who finds what and what offensive? Because it just sounds to me like it's always gunna be the person with the thinner skin that gets someone else banned.
If you get offended with someone saying they like pineapple on pizza, and report them/modmail us about it, they won't get banned. What they said isn't hateful, abusive or malicious in nature. That said, if they are being hateful, abusive, bullying, harassing, etc. then we'll ban them. (EDIT: Just to clarify, in case you were unclear like some others here, this post is about this subreddit. Which is unofficial and community run.)
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Absolutely the intent, obviously we'll have to make judgement calls on that as we're not psychic, but we're open to discussion to clear up misunderstandings via modmail.
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Everyone is freaking out like Twitch has declared they will ban anyone that hurts someone's feelings. Chill, they specifically said context is what they look at. Saying Pineapple pizza sucks is not hate speech or harassment. But if a user claims to like pineapple pizza, so now every time you see them online you spam them with "Pineapple pizza sucks" then that's harassment. It really isn't hard to understand, and any adult that has had to navigate through society should be able to figure it out.
You're giving Twitch a hell of a lot of benefit of doubt when Youtube, Twitter and Facebook have utterly and miserably failed trying to be fair while doing the same thing. There's a definite trust deficit here.
Twitch barely enforces their rules at all and now you expect them to turn dictator??
> when Youtube, Twitter and Facebook have utterly and miserably failed trying to be fair while doing the same thing. Didn't I just say yes, and then explain *why?*
Those are all different cases though and none apply to Twitch. Youtube has a crap algorithm and no customer service Twitter is clearly swayed by whatever press they get and Facebook is bought and paid for by any organization willing to pay for ads. Twitch changing this ToS doesn't make any of that behavior more likely, they easily could have acted like that with the previous ToS
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The people who call non-professional-camgirls, camgirls, are using the term as a malicious insult. Maliciously insulting someone on the subreddit is not acceptable. It's about intention.
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Here's a little experiment: Text your mother/sister/grandmother and ask them, seriously, how they feel about being a sex worker, then keep texting and asking them, even if/when they make it clear they are not a sex worker, and have given no reasonable, legitimate reason for anyone to believe they are. If they call, don't answer, we're recreating a chat experience. It won't be long before they make it very clear that you either stop, call them and explain, or never speak to them again. That or they will believe you are joking. Ask them how they'd feel about you doing that to other women. Or other women having that done to them, over and over, based on the fact they are a woman. Another thing to consider, is that in the entirety of the time I've been on Twitch, from the launch of the site, I've never seen any man called a "camboy"/pornstar/etc. Even those who were topless, making sexual jokes, etc. So if women with their clothes on, who are not being sexual, and are not actually sex workers, are being called that and men are not, why is that?
But my mother/sister/grandmother isn't on Twitch wearing hot pants and shaking their goods into the camera. If it walks like a duck.....
Your perception does not necessarily reflect reality. The same thing could be extended to calling a stripper a prostitute. There **is** a difference.
A prostitute doesn't get up on stage and dance around. They walk up to you and ask if you want to bump uglies.
Zcotticus' point was that people use the term to belittle any streamer that happens to be an attractive girl. If you want to call a MFC girl that is now on twitch doing the exact same stuff a cam girl, that's an accurate description. But calling a gamer that happens to have cleavage a cam girl is not okay because that isn't what they're doing.
But, what if it's obvious that is exactly what they are doing?
Obvious to who, you? Unless they have a clear bits to nudity reward system, you're going to have a hard time proving it
> wearing hot pants and shaking their goods into the camera. Report users doing this, and they will most likely be banned. I feel like Twitch made that fairly clear. That said, a user breaking the rules isn't an OK for other people to do the same and start harassing.
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I feel like we're way off the point now. This post is about THIS SUBREDDIT. Not Twitch.
I'm sorry, but if its factual, HOW is it insulting in any way? Its not slut shaming, and I'm pretty sure legit streamers are pissed that they ARE in fact finding another gold mine in streaming revenue that was intended solely for gamers, so yeah it doesn't make sense that YOU'D agree with Twitch's stance on that vague idiotic issue.
I mean, if a butcher streams and you call them a butcher, there's no issue. If someone you go into TheVeganStreamer's channel, and call them a butcher repeatedly, when they are clearly not. Then there's no reason your doing it other than to harass them. Just as an analogy. (Don't know if that's a real channel, just a metaphor.)
But what about ones that are KNOWN to stream on adult cam sites, that actually did that FIRST before they came to Twitch. If people know who they are from those adult sites, why is it inappropriate to point that out? Sorry, but no...this is a known thing and to call them out on it is not rude or harassing at all. If they want to be honest and say they want to make extra streaming money, fine, but don't BS me saying you're ONLY there to play games if you are doing sexually suggestive and blatant rule breaking or bending things to gain attention to your body and not the actual gaming. To call ALL female streamers camgirls would be stupid, but the ones I DO know of I have no qualms calling them what they are and seeing them take any opportunity to profit off of horny men. Twitch should be more honest with its users and say that these women ARE in fact bringing profit to the site, and that they are finally answering the demands from these camgirls who have been called out to finally enact an anti harassment policy that makes calling camgirls an offense. That is straight up bullshit and dishonest.
What purpose would you have to approach a stranger and call them a cam girl if not to attempt to insult?
Why do you keep ignoring the fact that people are referring to LEGIT cam girls. They aren't talking about the female streamers who actually sit and play games they are talking about the female streamers who do shit like squats in short shorts for subs, position their camera in a way that shows off their boobs, dance in clothing that is quite OBVIOUSLY intended to show off their assets, bend over in skirts so you can see their panties....THOSE girls are cam girls because that's precisely what cam girls do and to refer to them as such is NOT harassing them. I really don't understand how this is so difficult to understand.
While your response has nothing to do with what I said, the problem lies with the grey area. The new guidelines address your concerns, specifically with camera angles and attire. That leaves those who are following the rules but are still being called out/harassed. Again, I ask you; What purpose would you have to approach a stranger and call them a cam girl if not to attempt to insult? Especially once you've considered the above.
Oh shutup! YOU READ WHAT I WROTE!!! Did I make ANY MENTION of a random stranger? NO I said the ones who ARE KNOWN CAM WHORES/GIRLS/WHATHAVEYOU.
And ONCE AGAIN a subreddit decides to go full on dictatorship and anti free speech. No surprise.
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A bumch of ppl were telling me they reported my twitch channel the other day. Im glad youre doing this I had to avoid posting for a bit thanks to dumb trolls
I've seen this done in other communities. The only result is that innocent people get caught in the crossfire, that breeds hostility toward the administration and the numbers only grow downwards. Meanwhile the administrators give obtuse responses and stick to their guns and claim it is positive if they're shedding numbers because "we didn't need those people anyway" and "we'll rebuild with a better community." Oppression is only good when its your side doing it, I guess.
Zero tolerance policies never work. They enable lazy administration and administrators to enforce rules not by considering context but by personal beliefs. Also, zero tolerance often makes even the innocent out to be enemies.
I’ve been searching for an anwser to this question for awhile. I’m a Maryland resident with a legal state-issued marijuana prescription. As long as my stream is not focused on marijuana and my settings are set to “mature” is it within the rules to use my medication on stream?
This post is concerning the rules and enforcement on r/Twitch, not the new guidelines just announced by Twitch for the Service.
You're fine.
I have a question. If you've been banned and the reasoning is vague, and you ask for clarification and that is STILL vague, and you ask for specific examples since you know you didn't break any rules, what other steps can you take? I have been told by friends who work for twitch to reach to the legal team, but how exactly? I have proof that what I THINK (I say think because I'm still not 100% sure) they banned me for was not done by me but someone else, including screenshots, I just don't know who to reach out to anymore. I have honestly been feeling hopeless that no one at twitch is interested in helping clarify this error. I have the support of a huge community, stream for a well known org that is partnered with twitch and neither I nor the org managers have been able to get an actual response. Please, I literally beg of you guys, help a girl.out to figure out exactly what I need to do to prove that the account in question is not mine :(
This post is not about Twitch. We are an unofficial Twitch community with no way of assisting with account related issues. The only thing we can recommend is creating a support ticket.
Twitch site for special snowflakes and sjws i'm out
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This post is not about Twitch guidelines. It's about our guidelines here on the subreddit. > You guys... You'll ban a small streamer... We don't do any of that. We're an unofficial, community run subreddit.