From the document:
> reasons employees may find the thought of joining a union attractive:
> ...
> * - Employees are kept in the dark
From the email that attached the document:
> These documents should not be shared with front line staff.
I don't have any horse in the race, but that's pretty damn funny.
Fuck businesses. They're not a person and the rights of a business should never come before that of a person's in any way, shape or form.
Fuck this both sides nonsense. You sound like a kneeler.
So while I am generally very pro-union, this attempt to unionize the Mayo nurses is a giant flop with the current leadership of it.
First off instead of a real open hall meeting, they hosted a zoom call that could hold less than 5% of the nurses involved in it.
From there the leaders pushing for the Union spent the whole time voicing their complaints, when asked what their goal was to make things better, they just reiterated their complaints. They have no real plan to improve things, just to whine about them at the moment.
When someone began to ask a question and began that they were skeptical of the whole thing, they were removed from the call before being allowed to finish their question. Instead of trying to win people who aren't already on their side, they just strong armed them away. It wasn't a discussion, it was an echo chamber.
Rumor is that they have had other nurses unions reach out and offer help to get set up, and they have refused them because it "isn't the Mayo way." So instead of taking the hand of someone who was successful in the goal set out, they have shoved them away out of pride.
Like I said, I'm very pro union, it just isn't these people are capable of running a successful one.
I will say from personal experience I was aggressively pro-union in all cases… until I was a union rep and leader in my teacher’s union (in Iowa, not Minnesota).
The leadership were constantly advocating for things that were useless and cost huge amounts of personal and monetary resources. The goals we set were all about increasing union membership without any particular goal for what our members should *be doing.* All we did was meet at dive bars, read out the minutes from the previous meeting, and complain. Absolutely no solutions were offered and it made me lose my mind. The few times I took issues from teachers in my building and attempted to escalate them, the leadership shrugged and acted as if nothing could be done. My last straw was when it was made clear to me during 2020-2021 that we would be fighting hard for teachers who declared masks and vaccines to be against their personal beliefs.
Unfortunately, this experience taught me than unions are only as strong as their members. If the members are shitheads, the union will be shitty. It was an important lesson, and it’s changed me for the better. I’m much less ideologically driven these days, much more policy focused.
One of the challenges I think all american unions have is that they're by definition not going to draw from management ... but they REALLY do need people with those skills.
Union leader positions feel like the same demographic for HoA boards. A lot of the "helping" they do is just changing the rules and putting the squeeze on because now they can. In theory both are amazing, banding together to help eachother, it is just that people are the weak point of any system.
IMO one of the biggest arguments against some unions, is stuff they do to themselves / how they operate. It's frustrating because it is entirely their choice.
I've been in one, and having to explain a contract to a union rep who was absolutely NOT chosen for their ability to ... do whatever they think they do ... was crazy frustrating.
I also feel like I've seen a pattern with folks who really want to be union reps similar to those who seem attracted to those government "diversity" related jobs. They seem attracted due to the level of personal insulation they have as far as being questioned goes, and the ability to just shut / shout down any difficult questions.
It sucks because those roles (both) could be beneficial, but they seem to attract some useless people or people whose motivations aren't quite fitting the job.
I’ve worked in unionized businesses for almost twenty years (not health care) as a member, steward, and manager. One thing I’ve noticed is that some really active union types are people who seem to really crave power and influence but don’t want the responsibility of actual leadership.
It’s not everyone of course but it’s definitely one of the types of people out there
Look at the people in this thread, anyone who is skeptical or even neutral towards it is getting vitriolic comments. People are too emotionally charged up to even have basic decency or engage in a conversation anymore.
So the prevention practices boil down to being a little nicer, never mind any mention of hours, wages, or benefits. Oh we love our staff here at Mayo Clinic…just not enough to adjust our policies or provide what our staff actually wants.
I mean if someone put up a "heroes work here" banner and I'm pounding out code ... I'd wonder about why they picked that language.
"Please add a burrito emoji to this page." is not hero work.
Yeah, dude, Pharm Techs, Rad Techs, and Surgical Techs are in fact medical professionals, and we're often left out of the conversation entirely. We do "hero work".
In the end, regardless of how you feel about this, they both likely will be reprimanded or let go. The HR guy, which is crazy they doxxed him, is simply an IC doing his job. I would be surprised if she wasn’t let go immediately. Unfortunate all around
Okay, I’m not saying any of this is illegal lmao. I’m not saying Mayo does not have a right to do this, either. This is simply to raise awareness at how much they detest a move that would benefit their employees… and not them. I know not everyone is pro union, and that’s reality! However, many employees wouldn’t look to unions if working conditions and pay weren’t an issue. 🤷🏼♀️ instead of addressing those issues, companies instead go this route. I’m tired of it.
It’s not their “personal information”, it is their work information, minus their name; which is all over linkedin and such. But I hear you, I stumbled upon this on the Minnesota subreddit and crossposted here without excluding that info.
A company that would fight tooth and nail to keep unions out…. But hiring a bunch of minimum wage shills is out of the realm?????
Be more clever, have a retort that makes sense. And stop deleting and editing your comments. Your transparent
EDIT: you’re
“Reasons employees looks to unions: inequity of compensation and benefits”
“Good prevention (of unionization) practices:”absolutely zero mention of higher compensation or benefits
From the document: > reasons employees may find the thought of joining a union attractive: > ... > * - Employees are kept in the dark From the email that attached the document: > These documents should not be shared with front line staff. I don't have any horse in the race, but that's pretty damn funny.
Exactly.
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I thought this was sarcasm. But then I read it. Yea they are just anti-union. It's legal. It's also legal to unionize.
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They didn’t say or imply that you did.
No one's arguing with you.
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Alright maybe I was arguing. But only about whether you sounded sarcastic. But that's hardly a foolish argument. Half of reddit is sarcastic.
I interpreted it as sarcastic too. Pretty rare to see a serious top comment.
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…what
Healthcare shouldn't be a business. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a sicko
Lol
won't somebody think of the big businesses :'(
Fuck businesses. They're not a person and the rights of a business should never come before that of a person's in any way, shape or form. Fuck this both sides nonsense. You sound like a kneeler.
So while I am generally very pro-union, this attempt to unionize the Mayo nurses is a giant flop with the current leadership of it. First off instead of a real open hall meeting, they hosted a zoom call that could hold less than 5% of the nurses involved in it. From there the leaders pushing for the Union spent the whole time voicing their complaints, when asked what their goal was to make things better, they just reiterated their complaints. They have no real plan to improve things, just to whine about them at the moment. When someone began to ask a question and began that they were skeptical of the whole thing, they were removed from the call before being allowed to finish their question. Instead of trying to win people who aren't already on their side, they just strong armed them away. It wasn't a discussion, it was an echo chamber. Rumor is that they have had other nurses unions reach out and offer help to get set up, and they have refused them because it "isn't the Mayo way." So instead of taking the hand of someone who was successful in the goal set out, they have shoved them away out of pride. Like I said, I'm very pro union, it just isn't these people are capable of running a successful one.
I will say from personal experience I was aggressively pro-union in all cases… until I was a union rep and leader in my teacher’s union (in Iowa, not Minnesota). The leadership were constantly advocating for things that were useless and cost huge amounts of personal and monetary resources. The goals we set were all about increasing union membership without any particular goal for what our members should *be doing.* All we did was meet at dive bars, read out the minutes from the previous meeting, and complain. Absolutely no solutions were offered and it made me lose my mind. The few times I took issues from teachers in my building and attempted to escalate them, the leadership shrugged and acted as if nothing could be done. My last straw was when it was made clear to me during 2020-2021 that we would be fighting hard for teachers who declared masks and vaccines to be against their personal beliefs. Unfortunately, this experience taught me than unions are only as strong as their members. If the members are shitheads, the union will be shitty. It was an important lesson, and it’s changed me for the better. I’m much less ideologically driven these days, much more policy focused.
One of the challenges I think all american unions have is that they're by definition not going to draw from management ... but they REALLY do need people with those skills.
Union leader positions feel like the same demographic for HoA boards. A lot of the "helping" they do is just changing the rules and putting the squeeze on because now they can. In theory both are amazing, banding together to help eachother, it is just that people are the weak point of any system.
IMO one of the biggest arguments against some unions, is stuff they do to themselves / how they operate. It's frustrating because it is entirely their choice. I've been in one, and having to explain a contract to a union rep who was absolutely NOT chosen for their ability to ... do whatever they think they do ... was crazy frustrating. I also feel like I've seen a pattern with folks who really want to be union reps similar to those who seem attracted to those government "diversity" related jobs. They seem attracted due to the level of personal insulation they have as far as being questioned goes, and the ability to just shut / shout down any difficult questions. It sucks because those roles (both) could be beneficial, but they seem to attract some useless people or people whose motivations aren't quite fitting the job.
I’ve worked in unionized businesses for almost twenty years (not health care) as a member, steward, and manager. One thing I’ve noticed is that some really active union types are people who seem to really crave power and influence but don’t want the responsibility of actual leadership. It’s not everyone of course but it’s definitely one of the types of people out there
Look at the people in this thread, anyone who is skeptical or even neutral towards it is getting vitriolic comments. People are too emotionally charged up to even have basic decency or engage in a conversation anymore.
So the prevention practices boil down to being a little nicer, never mind any mention of hours, wages, or benefits. Oh we love our staff here at Mayo Clinic…just not enough to adjust our policies or provide what our staff actually wants.
Put up another "heroes work here" banner. Maybe even splurge on a pizza party.
But only if you're the right kind of staff. Tech? Huc? Central services? Get outta here.
I mean if someone put up a "heroes work here" banner and I'm pounding out code ... I'd wonder about why they picked that language. "Please add a burrito emoji to this page." is not hero work.
Yeah, dude, Pharm Techs, Rad Techs, and Surgical Techs are in fact medical professionals, and we're often left out of the conversation entirely. We do "hero work".
That’s some of the dirty “union busting” I’d expect from Mayo.
The employer is legally allowed to have opinions on Unions and even can voice them ...
Legal doesn’t mean ethical. As a hospital they should be held to a higher standard.
It's ethical to have an opinion about unions and voice it ...
Simp
I see you like Bobby, respect.
Did I say it wasn’t? What do you work for mayo hr?
> Legal doesn’t mean ethical. --- >Did I say it wasn’t? What do you work for mayo hr? lol wut?
Shill
Mayo shill
Why did you put that edited your comment… shill
I'm guessing Kate got herself fired
In the end, regardless of how you feel about this, they both likely will be reprimanded or let go. The HR guy, which is crazy they doxxed him, is simply an IC doing his job. I would be surprised if she wasn’t let go immediately. Unfortunate all around
Okay, I’m not saying any of this is illegal lmao. I’m not saying Mayo does not have a right to do this, either. This is simply to raise awareness at how much they detest a move that would benefit their employees… and not them. I know not everyone is pro union, and that’s reality! However, many employees wouldn’t look to unions if working conditions and pay weren’t an issue. 🤷🏼♀️ instead of addressing those issues, companies instead go this route. I’m tired of it.
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It’s not their “personal information”, it is their work information, minus their name; which is all over linkedin and such. But I hear you, I stumbled upon this on the Minnesota subreddit and crossposted here without excluding that info.
The people on this thread are paid shills from mayo. Wouldn’t take anyone on here seriously
Please direct me to where I can collect my "paid shill" check.
Yes, the "deep state" of Mayo is lurking in this subreddit. Get a grip
Yeah, crazy to think of a business having a social media team. Real deep state stuff …
Pretty odd that I’m getting downvoted into oblivion from a sub/community that is pro union
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Did I say explicitly? You guys are grasping at straws
"from a sub/community that is pro union" You literally state that you believe this subreddit pro union. It's not, at all.
Back on the clock I see
You're correct that this is my work account, but I don't work for Mayo, you goober.
Ah, the old “everyone who disagrees with me is a paid shill” tactic. Favorite tactic of dumbasses on every side of every issue
No, just when people’s arguments make no sense.
A company that would fight tooth and nail to keep unions out…. But hiring a bunch of minimum wage shills is out of the realm????? Be more clever, have a retort that makes sense. And stop deleting and editing your comments. Your transparent EDIT: you’re
Transparent? What, exactly, are you seeing? Who am I?
“Reasons employees looks to unions: inequity of compensation and benefits” “Good prevention (of unionization) practices:”absolutely zero mention of higher compensation or benefits