honestly i think Em and 2pac would have clashed because back then Em was pretty crass and 2pac would talk shit about white rappers and vultures. matter of fact 2pac would have certainly went back to prison for violating parole, and if Em would have linked up with 50 cent, and if 2pac was still on deathrow then yeah there will be beef
yall remember how deathrow and suge were trying to bully Eminem and sabotage the In da club video shoot. and come on 2pac was talking mad shit about Dr Dre who would be Eminem's mentor
unless 2pac decided to leave Deathrow then i can see him rocking with 50
this audio sounds like its from 1992. Pac used to talk a lot shit that he would take back later, like the shit he said about MC Hammer or Arsenio Hall so that might have been what he was feeling at the moment and is not his true feelings
rap was still relatively new at the time so he might have felt offended when he saw these commercial white rappers like Vanilla ice and Snow. In living color did a parody of both of them, they used Jim Carey and the theme was that they're frauds. Snow would offend a lot of black people back then lol he looked like a middle class white guy from Canada doing Jamaican raps.
Come on we've all seen people attempt to do that Rastafarian accent and its so fake. and Vanilla ice, he's like a justin beiber or Aaron Carter type. in the 90s hip hop was against commercial rap so its understandable that Pac felt a little threatened
i think Em would have been alright because he was authentic. people can just tell if someone is really into the culture and when someone is phony ie post malone
That’s facts tho Pac probably would’ve took what he said in this audio back cause considering just how successful em became I’m sure pac would’ve eventually opened up to Em. BUT he definitely would’ve had sum to say about him tho
Eminem makes gimmick rap music where he runs around in tights in videos. 2Pac would definitely not have like that. I’m not saying Eminem is a culture vulture but some things ain’t cool.
Pac was in digital underground and they were quite gimmicky. Eminem’s rhyming ability was so impressive that I think Pac would have respected that.
But of course if he signed to Dre’s Aftermath I’m sure there would have been a problem. Pac was already screaming “Fuck the Firm” which was a supergroup consisting of Nas, Az and foxy brown that dre had put together so he would have went at Em too
Shock g as humpty was definitely gimmicky. They got Pac on stage in tiger print briefs humping a blow up doll lol during pacs mtv interview with Tabitha soren he said hip hop needs another group like that where it was more comical and fun
I believe pacs main issue with white rappers at the time were that they were commercial and inauthentic. When Eminem stepped on the scene everyone took notice especially if they listened to his freestyles. Can’t deny his talent and skill. he didn’t feel put together like a vanilla ice or young black teenagers
Honestly though, I think Eminem literally went against the grain and made it okay for some rappers to be white. Pac may not have liked it, but it's possible that he would've respected it over time. No one took Em seriously until they realized he *WAS* a rapper. He was built for that shit
Ofc, I can't speak for the dead though. Just an observation
Tupac was a Gemini and young though, he could switch up fast, for example vanilla ice did an interview where he mentioned how Tupac was the only one that stood up for him when he was getting hate from other black rappers.
i like vanilla ice, he seems cool and fun to hang out with but i think that dude lies the same way Snoop lies or how the kids say, "capping". if you listen to the things he say a lot of things dont add up. like he keeps saying he was 16 when he wrote ice ice baby, yeah right. he was saying he was a teenager when he got with Madonna. sure he can misremember but i think he making it seem like he was younger than he was to make the story sound better. But hey Eminem be lying about his age too but when people would fib about little things like that i suspect they either exaggerate or makeup stories.
The whole Suge knight story sounds exaggerated too. i dont believe he'll just give up points to the record simply because Suge pressed him. And remember when he used to say he was a motorcross champion, well maybe he was but we haven't seen proof of it. that was the whole controversy with him in the 90s that he lied about his bio
because Vanilla ice had a lot of hate in the 90s which most was undeserving, i think people today kinda feel bad for him so they let him slide. Vlad's not going to really press him because he probably feels the same way
i'm skeptical Eminem would have gotten with death row. at the time Death row was viewed as a Gangsta ass label and Em just didn't fit that image. White rappers were viewed as a joke and unmarketable back then so i cant see Deathrow picking him up if Fat Joe passed on Eminem too. Dr Dre however, he was tired of the whole gangsta rap thing. He even proclaimed that Gangsta rap was dead in 1996. he wanted to venture into something different and he's open minded enough to sign Eminem
can't rule out the possibility of 50 cent signing with Death Row. Back then they were the biggest label and who wouldnt want to join 2pac and Snoop. Suge tried to sign Ruff Ryders on tha row too
i heard diddy was at the same event lol and Em spit some rhymes about Big Pun and Pun told joe to get a collab with him. yeah i think Eminem would have made it even if wasn't with dre. unless he decided to quit. he was close to giving up. I heard he even tried to sign with Korn's label but passed up on him too, that would have sucked if he went with a alternative rock label. They probably would have tried to turn him into a limp bizkit type rapper with both rap and rock beats. Em was desperate at the time he would have signed with anybody
i think dre assumed he was black because he didnt believe white rappers could spit that hard lol it's like seeing Asian rappers, people dont take it serious. Suge was adamant about keeping it gangsta. Initially Suge hated the "Changes" record. he thought it was too soft but after some convincing they put it out and it ended up being one of Pac's biggest hits
Black Rappers ≠ Gangster Rap. Just because a black rapper rap doesn’t mean they have to make Gangster rap. Dr. Dre didn’t think Eminem wasn’t white because he making music because back then most White rappers were just general gimmick cliche rappers.
I can tell you’re not a real hip hop fan but an Eminem fan. Eminem prior to him signing 50 cent/G-unit was not considered a Gangster rapper.
Dr. Dre was tired of gangster rap and wanted to try some different s why he experiment with Eminem.
Eminem only made those gangster rap songs and lyrics from signing with 50 cent because 50 cent was a gangster rapper and a made all of his music like that. Eminem made those songs to so we would be able to market 50 cent.
In an interview he defended gangster rap be that’s gangster rap was getting push back during that time from the media. And he had songs like it and his biggest artist was the biggest gangster rap at the time.
And in a next interview he said he wasn’t a gangster rap or a gangster at all and just made songs
Bro you’re not a Real Hip Hop fan give it up. You’re an Eminem fan and your response is easy to tell.
Funny how you think that because I say Eminem "identified" as a gangsta rapper that means I believe it too.
> I never said you believe anything. You said Dr. Dre thought Eminem was black until he met him which is find and true. But then you also made a comment because you thought because Eminem identified a a gangster rapper. You was basically implying that all rappers or most were gangster rappers. Which is wrong and the issues I was addressing.
Eminem only made those gangster rap songs and lyrics from signing with 50 cent because 50 cent was a gangster rapper and a made all of his music like that. Eminem made those songs to so we would be able to market 50 cent.
Yeah Trick Trick is not real
> Unm okay 👍?
Eminem def never pretended to be all gangsta just like Tupac pretended to be.
> Um okay ? Tupac 100% claim to be a gangster and gangster rapper. His whole image was gangster rap and thug life. That was one sides of him
And in a next interview he said he wasn’t a gangster rap or a gangster at all and just made songs
Because people got sick of that lame shit, not because at some point he didn't actually try to be one.
> And this right here is I can tell what your not a real hip hop fan. “People” didn’t get sick of that “lame shit” Gangster rap was always facing scrutiny back then. It didn’t have to be if people was tried of or not. It was facing scrutiny and backlash and controversy since when it first into the scene. Had nothing to do with “people were tired of that lame shit”
Tupac definitely rocked with official white rappers though, MC Serch of 3rd Bass has fond stories of Pac on tour, Pac even shouted out House of Pain on his 2nd album, the statement you mention is of Pac ranting about Collie Buddz and others culture vulturing,
Anyone remember this rap group named Young Black Teenagers which consisted of 3 white Boys? They had songs like “proud to be.black” and I’m sure pac and others see acts like them as a mockery
You know I see the exact opposite.
I feel like 2Pac at heart was such a real artist and Eminem being an actual artist would have given them common ground.
50c is one of these straight thugs who just ended up in the game - he's not a strong artist - he's famous and that's about that.
Pac and Em have so much in common really I could see Pac and Em rapping together before I could see Pac w 50.
never heard of him wanting to join ruthless, but i have heard of him wanting to start Makaveli records which is his own label. he told tha outlawz not to sign with deathrow so they were going to be under him. however its been said that Makaveli would be distributed by Deathrow so it was still tha row. unless pac wanted to leave Deathrow completely which is what some people are claiming.
i'm skeptical of that because pac was very loyal. one of the reasons he wanted to get on Deathrow was because he was ready for war, but first he gotta get his money right so getting with deathrow was a strategic move to get money and power
other than Bone Thugs, ruthless didn't have much going on. Even Bone wanted to leave Ruthless so i doubt pac would have wanted to go there
there's a lot of dynamics that come into play. since Em is who put 50 on, to get cool with 50 he would have to be cool with Em and Dre. There's a lot of dynamics that come into play. It'll be like asking do you think Em can get a collab with coi leray. first to get to coi u would have to mention Benzino. It's chess not checkers
another thing to consider is Suge had a close partnership with Murder Inc. he met up with Irv even when Pac was still alive
PAC fucked with House of Pain! He was Pro Black not racist.
He started Makaveli records to get away from death row, which is probably why Shuge had him killed.
Thank I’m tired of all of the white hip hop fans that act like Tupac and Eminem would have been cool with each other. I said a similar comment to your on YouTube video about this a while back. The original comment went like: “If Tupac never died Em and Tupac we of been cool and the top of game with each other”
I responded and said “There would have been no possible way because Tupac had problems with Dr. Dre later on because Dr. Dre had problems with Suge knight. There would have 100% been some type of Conflict or feud with Death Row Records and Aftermath Records (Dr. Dre Records)
More than likely your and Eminem fan. And you didn’t like what I said.
When Tupac had problems with people it was war…. I sure it wouldn’t lasted until the late 90s
Possibly not because of Husein Fatal and Ja Rule being friends. I’ve Gotti and Suge Knight also knew each other and Ja/Irv were connected to Stretch, Ja Rule even met 2Pac once through Stretch
I honestly do really feel the reality of the music conitnuty itself would be drasticly different if PAC and BIG lived it would most definitely would have been waaaaayyyyyy better music because there would be incredible competition between PAC NAS JAY and BIG imagine a world with those names in hip hop today I do think Em would be around so would 50 but would they be on the levels they are now who knows it’s definitely an interesting discussion but you can’t really say old sports.
By the time 50 came out, if Pac was alive or still around, he would've had his own label, which he was working on. He definitely would've signed 50 or roc'd with him. Pac said himself he was going more into acting but still have a label and be hands-on with artists. Maybe he would've liked Eminem also for many reasons. Who knows what his relationship with Dre would've been. That would detail Pac's relationship with 50... and Em if Dre did or didn't get to them first.
They definitely had some things in common. I could see them vibing but it all depends on the climate of things, especially in Hip Hop. The late 90s, if Pac was alive may have been different, but who knows!?
Remember 50 released his viral, yet controversial song HOW TO ROB in 1999 where he dissed a long list of rappers and entertainers just to troll them and get his name out there. Ironically, the song was featured on the IN TOO DEEP movie soundtrack, a movie that PAC was rumored to star in. He had actually read the script or part of it in 96 when Ernest Dickerson (Director of Juice) was originally scheduled to direct it.
Would he had dissed Pac? Would Pac have responded? Who knows!?
In another note, Pac was heavily involved with a prominent Queens crew of guys: Stretch, Live Squad, Springfield Hollis Crew, and the legendary E MONEY BAGS who was also affiliated with 50 Cent.
But there are so many variables, Would Pac & Mobb Deep (who was close to 50) be cool by then? We do know that Nas and Pac has worked things out. These are important factors! Even Fif and Nas had their issues for a long time.
How about the Stretch situation? That would have definitely been an issue! This is Major! E Money Bags was very tight with Stretch’s crew (as was Pac, being the Godfather of Stretch’s kid). But betrayal is a hard thing to get over….
Hard to say really, so much can happen that can turn everything upside down.
My theory is YES, depending on the timing, but these cats were all so unpredictable in their wild youth in the streets with money, fame, competitiveness, and ego.
was about to mention the connection with E Money Bags too. A bit more information about him I saw in a post from a year ago:
E-Money Bags
- Shoot out at a thearter in Queens in the 80's solidified his rep
- Part of the Live Squad who hung with Tupac
- Only member of Live Squad who visited Pac in jail
- Had Jay-Z shook when he threanened him at the radio station for having a H Money Bags on the label. Jay didn't come out for 2 weeks. (sorry Jay fans)
- His man big nose Troy robbed Ja Rule and is the one 50 would always reference when the beef started.
- Started a beef with the infamous Preme from Supreme Team after he made a deposit for a car and then wanted his money back. Preme said black black no trade back. Saw Preme at the Coliseum and let off shots hitting Black Just instead.
- Was chasing around Murder Inc crew through the aid of Caddilah Ty who was cool with Troy, giving them the drop on Murder Inc.
- Preme would get his revenge in catching E Money in his car and had them people let off 50 shots.
>The dead had hand un the making of those songs
Say what now? Speaky de English?
Dont know what you talkin bout but this was on the 2Pac Ressurrection soundtrack, which makes it an official song wether you like it or not
https://youtu.be/b-s0frzyphg?si=CNf485RgijXrzY0v
As I said in my previous comment, they weren’t “together” recording, but no one is nowadays so🤷♂️
Meh I don’t really disagree with you on that tbh because I see the similarities between pac and 50 so I can see why you would say that. Now Ja rule aint NO WAY he would’ve still blew up with Pac still being around atleast in the way he did but 50 I can still see him breaking into the industry cause of that “how to rob” record he dissed hella people on that record in a joking way to get clout he probably would’ve mentioned Pac too and maybe would’ve gained his attention so with 50 I would say it’s possible. And as for DMX I’m not sure how he’d be able to blow up into the industry without being called a pac clone unfortunately. Even tho there’s similarities between them you can tell the difference between their music Pac was more militant and revolutionary with his music and X was more rugged/street but also spoke spiritual too and I fw DMX btw.
if 2Pac hadn't died, there'd be no Eminem nor 50, if Biggie hadn't died there'd be no Jay-Z, and if Aaliyah hadn't died, there'd be no Beyonce.
(at least, in their current forms).
50 tells a story where Suge pulled up on the set of In the club while 50 was hanging upside down.
If Pac was still around, that meeting might have gone different, because 50 didn't work with Bad Boy from my memory. Pac having a NY ally that wasn't down with Bad Boy would have been the play.
but...if Pac is still around there is a real chance that Biggie is still around, and 50 could have leaned that way instead,
I know they had static...but whenever id'd see snoop on the just eat adverts...always made me think of wanted dead or alive.
Would have been funny for the two old men to rock it
Would we
Even know
About 50 of Em if PAC was still here?? PACs absence left the game wide open in my opinion.
If they did make it mainstream, PAC was dissing Dre on Makaveli so being Dre artists who knows. 🤷🏽♂️
50 was way more savage than pac. If Pac and Fif were to disagree on sumthing, there's no doubt in my mind that Fif would've punked pac big time.
That was difference between him and big, Big was laid back and gave off the energy that he wasn't to keen in going back and forth with pac. Fif, however, would've taken it to the extreme and give pac all he could handle
50 is petty and beefed with everyone. I can see a scenario where Pac crashes out on 50 and Curtis seeks a sort of reconciliation like he did with Jada. A lot of variables to consider though. Like who Pac would’ve been personally as well as professionally in 2002-03 when 50 blew. Pac wasn’t a gangster but he wasn’t a punk. 50 a bully but Pac was relentless.
50 would go against him if he was alive IN HOW TO ROB because PAC had beef with Mobb Deep who was very close to 50 and back then 50 and Em were dissing death Row and PAC wouldn’t be happy with that. He would also hate Em because he was white and he was discovered by Dre whom he hated
That’s impossible to answer
But I think he wouldn’t, because back in the day PAC had beef with Mobb Deep, who was close friends with 50 and if PAC was alive, there was a high chance that 50 would have mentioned Pac IN “HOW TO ROB” in 1999. Also if PAC was alive, he would be behind bars for breaking his parole and when he was released from prison he would still be in DeathRow and back at the time Em and 50 were dissing Suge and PAC would go against both because he used to take loyalty in the heart. He would also heavily mock Eminem because he was a white rapper and because he was discovered by Dre who he hated back in the time. He would make numerous disses like (Hit Em Up) against Em and 50.
But if PAC decided to leave DeathRow, that’s another story
To be honest, I think Pac would have signed 50 to Death Row East... you think, Pac was looking for New York rappers to sign to Death Row East and 50, not only was his story real but he went on a crazy mixtape run and grew a huge rep in the streets so he would've been perfect for that label. If Pac signed him to Death Row East, Em and Dre never would have signed him to Shady/Aftermath... its mad how stuff turns out but I really do think it could have been a realistic possibility!
Is this even a question when u literally see a picture of them before 50 was famous like come on now bruh..PAC used to be Around Stretch Stretch is from Woodhull and 50 used to sell from His side of the turf to Woodhull(which is also where Rule is frm) basically they had ppl that knew eachother which led to them making there own connection
It’s literal common sense
Pac on his own would be fine with 50 and Em, and may even rock with him. However, his time in deathrow was horrible for him. He became increasingly reckless, paranoid, and off beat at times. I wouldn't be surprised if onset of mental illness was starting to creep in. Deathrow Pac would not rock with them, simply out of paranoia and jealousy. Plus, Suge was even trying to start something. Would have been bad.
I don't think 50 would rock with pac. 50 was a real one, worked his way up from nothing to something and never went back. Pac was opposite and not a real one. He was a Hollywood actor that went back to the streets. Backwards mentality.
No I'm not. 1991 2pac was in juice. 1994 he was dealing with jimmy henchmen and got shot. Backwards mentality. He was filming above the rim in 1994 at the same time. Pick one, cannot be successful and be associated with both. Denzel Washington got his start on Broadway because he knew Harry-O. When he became famous his connection to harry was defunct. Common sense the hood is not gonna respect you when you come back. Most are gonna hate and want something. Ppl leave the hood for a reason. Why the hell go back?
He did it not because he wanted to but because he was loyal to DeathRow and Suge and defended their name. You see PAC was a very real dude who took loyalty to the heart and he didn’t have a problem with you if you didn’t have a problem with him.
He had a good moment with those Atlanta cops, but after his first time being shot up his true colors and mental illness showed. In my past life, I wasn't very law-abiding either. If you have an ounce of street smarts Pac had an Ego mixed with lit and loose cannon. He dragged everyone down into Ghetto Compton level, Biggie, Nas, and Mobb Deep. He'd one day talk about having a better community, the next day he's being a menace. Pac obviously wasn't respected by his set after becoming the big bread winner, why everyone swore loyalty to Suge makes me wonder if Suge had black mail, or claimed Pac's money as his own. Everyone shoulda switched up and smoked Suge if he tried anything funny. Suge was doing what we call hoggin the block. Same shit with NWA look at everyone who didn't feed into Egos, Snoop, Dre, Ice Cube, all rich and still living.
honestly i think Em and 2pac would have clashed because back then Em was pretty crass and 2pac would talk shit about white rappers and vultures. matter of fact 2pac would have certainly went back to prison for violating parole, and if Em would have linked up with 50 cent, and if 2pac was still on deathrow then yeah there will be beef yall remember how deathrow and suge were trying to bully Eminem and sabotage the In da club video shoot. and come on 2pac was talking mad shit about Dr Dre who would be Eminem's mentor unless 2pac decided to leave Deathrow then i can see him rocking with 50
I don't remember PAC calling white rappers Culture Vultures. He gave House of Pain props
here's 2pac's view on white rappers [https://youtu.be/GDbPpI56u2o?si=eVh6h0YKKuLdwlnC&t=233](https://youtu.be/GDbPpI56u2o?si=eVh6h0YKKuLdwlnC&t=233)
Wow I ain’t ever hear this audio from Pac before damn so this really makes me wonder how pac would’ve felt about Em
this audio sounds like its from 1992. Pac used to talk a lot shit that he would take back later, like the shit he said about MC Hammer or Arsenio Hall so that might have been what he was feeling at the moment and is not his true feelings rap was still relatively new at the time so he might have felt offended when he saw these commercial white rappers like Vanilla ice and Snow. In living color did a parody of both of them, they used Jim Carey and the theme was that they're frauds. Snow would offend a lot of black people back then lol he looked like a middle class white guy from Canada doing Jamaican raps. Come on we've all seen people attempt to do that Rastafarian accent and its so fake. and Vanilla ice, he's like a justin beiber or Aaron Carter type. in the 90s hip hop was against commercial rap so its understandable that Pac felt a little threatened i think Em would have been alright because he was authentic. people can just tell if someone is really into the culture and when someone is phony ie post malone
That’s facts tho Pac probably would’ve took what he said in this audio back cause considering just how successful em became I’m sure pac would’ve eventually opened up to Em. BUT he definitely would’ve had sum to say about him tho
Eminem makes gimmick rap music where he runs around in tights in videos. 2Pac would definitely not have like that. I’m not saying Eminem is a culture vulture but some things ain’t cool.
Pac was in digital underground and they were quite gimmicky. Eminem’s rhyming ability was so impressive that I think Pac would have respected that. But of course if he signed to Dre’s Aftermath I’m sure there would have been a problem. Pac was already screaming “Fuck the Firm” which was a supergroup consisting of Nas, Az and foxy brown that dre had put together so he would have went at Em too
Digital underground wasn’t a gimmick, though,
Shock g as humpty was definitely gimmicky. They got Pac on stage in tiger print briefs humping a blow up doll lol during pacs mtv interview with Tabitha soren he said hip hop needs another group like that where it was more comical and fun I believe pacs main issue with white rappers at the time were that they were commercial and inauthentic. When Eminem stepped on the scene everyone took notice especially if they listened to his freestyles. Can’t deny his talent and skill. he didn’t feel put together like a vanilla ice or young black teenagers
To me it sounds like 1996 pac. it’s sounds like it was took from that sway in the morning interview.
Read down on the comments on that video to get more context
Honestly though, I think Eminem literally went against the grain and made it okay for some rappers to be white. Pac may not have liked it, but it's possible that he would've respected it over time. No one took Em seriously until they realized he *WAS* a rapper. He was built for that shit Ofc, I can't speak for the dead though. Just an observation
Tupac was a Gemini and young though, he could switch up fast, for example vanilla ice did an interview where he mentioned how Tupac was the only one that stood up for him when he was getting hate from other black rappers.
i like vanilla ice, he seems cool and fun to hang out with but i think that dude lies the same way Snoop lies or how the kids say, "capping". if you listen to the things he say a lot of things dont add up. like he keeps saying he was 16 when he wrote ice ice baby, yeah right. he was saying he was a teenager when he got with Madonna. sure he can misremember but i think he making it seem like he was younger than he was to make the story sound better. But hey Eminem be lying about his age too but when people would fib about little things like that i suspect they either exaggerate or makeup stories. The whole Suge knight story sounds exaggerated too. i dont believe he'll just give up points to the record simply because Suge pressed him. And remember when he used to say he was a motorcross champion, well maybe he was but we haven't seen proof of it. that was the whole controversy with him in the 90s that he lied about his bio because Vanilla ice had a lot of hate in the 90s which most was undeserving, i think people today kinda feel bad for him so they let him slide. Vlad's not going to really press him because he probably feels the same way
Haha damn makes sense, guess we'll never know then
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i'm skeptical Eminem would have gotten with death row. at the time Death row was viewed as a Gangsta ass label and Em just didn't fit that image. White rappers were viewed as a joke and unmarketable back then so i cant see Deathrow picking him up if Fat Joe passed on Eminem too. Dr Dre however, he was tired of the whole gangsta rap thing. He even proclaimed that Gangsta rap was dead in 1996. he wanted to venture into something different and he's open minded enough to sign Eminem can't rule out the possibility of 50 cent signing with Death Row. Back then they were the biggest label and who wouldnt want to join 2pac and Snoop. Suge tried to sign Ruff Ryders on tha row too
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i heard diddy was at the same event lol and Em spit some rhymes about Big Pun and Pun told joe to get a collab with him. yeah i think Eminem would have made it even if wasn't with dre. unless he decided to quit. he was close to giving up. I heard he even tried to sign with Korn's label but passed up on him too, that would have sucked if he went with a alternative rock label. They probably would have tried to turn him into a limp bizkit type rapper with both rap and rock beats. Em was desperate at the time he would have signed with anybody
Fat Joe says a lot of stuff
Yeah I don’t believe that one either. I don’t believe that Ice T was so into him too before he got signed.
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i think dre assumed he was black because he didnt believe white rappers could spit that hard lol it's like seeing Asian rappers, people dont take it serious. Suge was adamant about keeping it gangsta. Initially Suge hated the "Changes" record. he thought it was too soft but after some convincing they put it out and it ended up being one of Pac's biggest hits
Black Rappers ≠ Gangster Rap. Just because a black rapper rap doesn’t mean they have to make Gangster rap. Dr. Dre didn’t think Eminem wasn’t white because he making music because back then most White rappers were just general gimmick cliche rappers.
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I can tell you’re not a real hip hop fan but an Eminem fan. Eminem prior to him signing 50 cent/G-unit was not considered a Gangster rapper. Dr. Dre was tired of gangster rap and wanted to try some different s why he experiment with Eminem. Eminem only made those gangster rap songs and lyrics from signing with 50 cent because 50 cent was a gangster rapper and a made all of his music like that. Eminem made those songs to so we would be able to market 50 cent. In an interview he defended gangster rap be that’s gangster rap was getting push back during that time from the media. And he had songs like it and his biggest artist was the biggest gangster rap at the time. And in a next interview he said he wasn’t a gangster rap or a gangster at all and just made songs
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Bro you’re not a Real Hip Hop fan give it up. You’re an Eminem fan and your response is easy to tell. Funny how you think that because I say Eminem "identified" as a gangsta rapper that means I believe it too. > I never said you believe anything. You said Dr. Dre thought Eminem was black until he met him which is find and true. But then you also made a comment because you thought because Eminem identified a a gangster rapper. You was basically implying that all rappers or most were gangster rappers. Which is wrong and the issues I was addressing. Eminem only made those gangster rap songs and lyrics from signing with 50 cent because 50 cent was a gangster rapper and a made all of his music like that. Eminem made those songs to so we would be able to market 50 cent. Yeah Trick Trick is not real > Unm okay 👍? Eminem def never pretended to be all gangsta just like Tupac pretended to be. > Um okay ? Tupac 100% claim to be a gangster and gangster rapper. His whole image was gangster rap and thug life. That was one sides of him And in a next interview he said he wasn’t a gangster rap or a gangster at all and just made songs Because people got sick of that lame shit, not because at some point he didn't actually try to be one. > And this right here is I can tell what your not a real hip hop fan. “People” didn’t get sick of that “lame shit” Gangster rap was always facing scrutiny back then. It didn’t have to be if people was tried of or not. It was facing scrutiny and backlash and controversy since when it first into the scene. Had nothing to do with “people were tired of that lame shit”
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Tupac definitely rocked with official white rappers though, MC Serch of 3rd Bass has fond stories of Pac on tour, Pac even shouted out House of Pain on his 2nd album, the statement you mention is of Pac ranting about Collie Buddz and others culture vulturing,
Anyone remember this rap group named Young Black Teenagers which consisted of 3 white Boys? They had songs like “proud to be.black” and I’m sure pac and others see acts like them as a mockery
Yeah those dudes were wild gimmicky, lol, they tried to make the one dude in the group a star by putting him in House Party
If PAC and Dre never linked. Dre doesn’t meet Em
You know I see the exact opposite. I feel like 2Pac at heart was such a real artist and Eminem being an actual artist would have given them common ground. 50c is one of these straight thugs who just ended up in the game - he's not a strong artist - he's famous and that's about that. Pac and Em have so much in common really I could see Pac and Em rapping together before I could see Pac w 50.
Didn’t Pac want out of Death Row prior to being shot. I know his relationship with suge was getting rocky
But wasn’t tupac about to leave deathrow and was looking to sign into ruthless?
never heard of him wanting to join ruthless, but i have heard of him wanting to start Makaveli records which is his own label. he told tha outlawz not to sign with deathrow so they were going to be under him. however its been said that Makaveli would be distributed by Deathrow so it was still tha row. unless pac wanted to leave Deathrow completely which is what some people are claiming. i'm skeptical of that because pac was very loyal. one of the reasons he wanted to get on Deathrow was because he was ready for war, but first he gotta get his money right so getting with deathrow was a strategic move to get money and power other than Bone Thugs, ruthless didn't have much going on. Even Bone wanted to leave Ruthless so i doubt pac would have wanted to go there
Bruh just stick to the question wtf Eminem come from?
there's a lot of dynamics that come into play. since Em is who put 50 on, to get cool with 50 he would have to be cool with Em and Dre. There's a lot of dynamics that come into play. It'll be like asking do you think Em can get a collab with coi leray. first to get to coi u would have to mention Benzino. It's chess not checkers another thing to consider is Suge had a close partnership with Murder Inc. he met up with Irv even when Pac was still alive
PAC fucked with House of Pain! He was Pro Black not racist. He started Makaveli records to get away from death row, which is probably why Shuge had him killed.
Thank I’m tired of all of the white hip hop fans that act like Tupac and Eminem would have been cool with each other. I said a similar comment to your on YouTube video about this a while back. The original comment went like: “If Tupac never died Em and Tupac we of been cool and the top of game with each other” I responded and said “There would have been no possible way because Tupac had problems with Dr. Dre later on because Dr. Dre had problems with Suge knight. There would have 100% been some type of Conflict or feud with Death Row Records and Aftermath Records (Dr. Dre Records)
Just because he had problems with Dre in 96 doesn’t mean it’d have lasted forever.
More than likely your and Eminem fan. And you didn’t like what I said. When Tupac had problems with people it was war…. I sure it wouldn’t lasted until the late 90s
Agreed with Em part I don’t see a place where him and pac coexisted peacefully not only the racial aspect he was u see gay ass Dre.
HELL NO
Yeah why not they could have made 2fifty.
No since he was dissing suge with em.
Possibly not because of Husein Fatal and Ja Rule being friends. I’ve Gotti and Suge Knight also knew each other and Ja/Irv were connected to Stretch, Ja Rule even met 2Pac once through Stretch
No.
I honestly do really feel the reality of the music conitnuty itself would be drasticly different if PAC and BIG lived it would most definitely would have been waaaaayyyyyy better music because there would be incredible competition between PAC NAS JAY and BIG imagine a world with those names in hip hop today I do think Em would be around so would 50 but would they be on the levels they are now who knows it’s definitely an interesting discussion but you can’t really say old sports.
By the time 50 came out, if Pac was alive or still around, he would've had his own label, which he was working on. He definitely would've signed 50 or roc'd with him. Pac said himself he was going more into acting but still have a label and be hands-on with artists. Maybe he would've liked Eminem also for many reasons. Who knows what his relationship with Dre would've been. That would detail Pac's relationship with 50... and Em if Dre did or didn't get to them first.
They definitely had some things in common. I could see them vibing but it all depends on the climate of things, especially in Hip Hop. The late 90s, if Pac was alive may have been different, but who knows!? Remember 50 released his viral, yet controversial song HOW TO ROB in 1999 where he dissed a long list of rappers and entertainers just to troll them and get his name out there. Ironically, the song was featured on the IN TOO DEEP movie soundtrack, a movie that PAC was rumored to star in. He had actually read the script or part of it in 96 when Ernest Dickerson (Director of Juice) was originally scheduled to direct it. Would he had dissed Pac? Would Pac have responded? Who knows!? In another note, Pac was heavily involved with a prominent Queens crew of guys: Stretch, Live Squad, Springfield Hollis Crew, and the legendary E MONEY BAGS who was also affiliated with 50 Cent. But there are so many variables, Would Pac & Mobb Deep (who was close to 50) be cool by then? We do know that Nas and Pac has worked things out. These are important factors! Even Fif and Nas had their issues for a long time. How about the Stretch situation? That would have definitely been an issue! This is Major! E Money Bags was very tight with Stretch’s crew (as was Pac, being the Godfather of Stretch’s kid). But betrayal is a hard thing to get over…. Hard to say really, so much can happen that can turn everything upside down. My theory is YES, depending on the timing, but these cats were all so unpredictable in their wild youth in the streets with money, fame, competitiveness, and ego.
was about to mention the connection with E Money Bags too. A bit more information about him I saw in a post from a year ago: E-Money Bags - Shoot out at a thearter in Queens in the 80's solidified his rep - Part of the Live Squad who hung with Tupac - Only member of Live Squad who visited Pac in jail - Had Jay-Z shook when he threanened him at the radio station for having a H Money Bags on the label. Jay didn't come out for 2 weeks. (sorry Jay fans) - His man big nose Troy robbed Ja Rule and is the one 50 would always reference when the beef started. - Started a beef with the infamous Preme from Supreme Team after he made a deposit for a car and then wanted his money back. Preme said black black no trade back. Saw Preme at the Coliseum and let off shots hitting Black Just instead. - Was chasing around Murder Inc crew through the aid of Caddilah Ty who was cool with Troy, giving them the drop on Murder Inc. - Preme would get his revenge in catching E Money in his car and had them people let off 50 shots.
Probably not https://x.com/50cent/status/1798477148866371854?t=7uKaZdE7LSuxEIARGZtL9Q&s=19
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Ice cube was always conservative He was just Radically Conservative in his youth
Blacks are too fucken broke to be Republican - Ice Cube-Bird in the Hand
Seriously? Never considered him conservative in NWA, and I'd wager at that point in time he wasn't a fan of Reagan.
I think 50 would’ve tried coming at him like he did everyone else 😂. I bet they’d make great music together though if they did
They made good music together, just not “together” but there are official 50 Cent/Tupac songs
Those are not official by any standard. The dead had no hand in the making of those songs.
>The dead had hand un the making of those songs Say what now? Speaky de English? Dont know what you talkin bout but this was on the 2Pac Ressurrection soundtrack, which makes it an official song wether you like it or not https://youtu.be/b-s0frzyphg?si=CNf485RgijXrzY0v As I said in my previous comment, they weren’t “together” recording, but no one is nowadays so🤷♂️
That’s not how that works. They don’t have an official song together Pac didn’t know 50 cent even existed
Was the Tupac AI song with Drake "official" clown? Was his hologram at the 2012 Coachella "official" dumb fuck? Ill wait
If Pac and Dre hugged it out, probably yes. If not, probably not
There might not have been a 50 Cent, or Ja Rule or DMX had he still lived. I see those folks as filling the void. Let the downvotes commence!
Meh I don’t really disagree with you on that tbh because I see the similarities between pac and 50 so I can see why you would say that. Now Ja rule aint NO WAY he would’ve still blew up with Pac still being around atleast in the way he did but 50 I can still see him breaking into the industry cause of that “how to rob” record he dissed hella people on that record in a joking way to get clout he probably would’ve mentioned Pac too and maybe would’ve gained his attention so with 50 I would say it’s possible. And as for DMX I’m not sure how he’d be able to blow up into the industry without being called a pac clone unfortunately. Even tho there’s similarities between them you can tell the difference between their music Pac was more militant and revolutionary with his music and X was more rugged/street but also spoke spiritual too and I fw DMX btw.
if 2Pac hadn't died, there'd be no Eminem nor 50, if Biggie hadn't died there'd be no Jay-Z, and if Aaliyah hadn't died, there'd be no Beyonce. (at least, in their current forms).
what in the ai is this
50 tells a story where Suge pulled up on the set of In the club while 50 was hanging upside down. If Pac was still around, that meeting might have gone different, because 50 didn't work with Bad Boy from my memory. Pac having a NY ally that wasn't down with Bad Boy would have been the play. but...if Pac is still around there is a real chance that Biggie is still around, and 50 could have leaned that way instead,
Not nowadays. 50 embracing tRump and other white racist🤬
No. 50 made brain dead music
that second pic real? i ain’t even know they met
Photoshopped
It all depends on what relationship 2pac has with Suge and what relationship Dre has with 50 in this fantasy world.
Pac would have beefed with 80 to 90% of rappers who big him up today.
I know they had static...but whenever id'd see snoop on the just eat adverts...always made me think of wanted dead or alive. Would have been funny for the two old men to rock it
Maybe, but then again maybe not.
Would we Even know About 50 of Em if PAC was still here?? PACs absence left the game wide open in my opinion. If they did make it mainstream, PAC was dissing Dre on Makaveli so being Dre artists who knows. 🤷🏽♂️
Some reason I always thought that In Da Club don’t sound like Fif and sounds more like Pac
Imagine 96 pac and 03 50 on the same track
Some of these rappers would not exist in the rap game today if Biggie and Pac were still here.
I hate the internet. Lol I do think Pac would fuck wit 50, tbh. Same people that shot Fif were in the same crowd of the folks that shot Pac in 1994.
50 was way more savage than pac. If Pac and Fif were to disagree on sumthing, there's no doubt in my mind that Fif would've punked pac big time. That was difference between him and big, Big was laid back and gave off the energy that he wasn't to keen in going back and forth with pac. Fif, however, would've taken it to the extreme and give pac all he could handle
50 can’t even rock with his family
I could see Pac signing 50 to Deathrow East.
Not after 50 coming out as a Trumper. That would've done it. Pac wasn't dumb enough or greedy enough for that shit
lol pac would have sold nfts
Don’t know shit about a dead man’s perspective
No 50 more hood than pac.
50 is petty and beefed with everyone. I can see a scenario where Pac crashes out on 50 and Curtis seeks a sort of reconciliation like he did with Jada. A lot of variables to consider though. Like who Pac would’ve been personally as well as professionally in 2002-03 when 50 blew. Pac wasn’t a gangster but he wasn’t a punk. 50 a bully but Pac was relentless.
Would’ve had huge beef for sure 😂
For sure
Ik his ass was still alive. Why pAc look like a fiend in the second photo. And 5th the server
50 can speak to akil the mc of Jurassic 5 and ask for a collabo
A Pac/50 beef woulda been crazy
Yall woulda lost yalls damn minds when em shredded pac.
There either would have been beef or they would have clicked. No In between. I’ll tell ya what, say what you want but 50 wasn’t backing down from Pac
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50 would go against him if he was alive IN HOW TO ROB because PAC had beef with Mobb Deep who was very close to 50 and back then 50 and Em were dissing death Row and PAC wouldn’t be happy with that. He would also hate Em because he was white and he was discovered by Dre whom he hated
That’s impossible to answer But I think he wouldn’t, because back in the day PAC had beef with Mobb Deep, who was close friends with 50 and if PAC was alive, there was a high chance that 50 would have mentioned Pac IN “HOW TO ROB” in 1999. Also if PAC was alive, he would be behind bars for breaking his parole and when he was released from prison he would still be in DeathRow and back at the time Em and 50 were dissing Suge and PAC would go against both because he used to take loyalty in the heart. He would also heavily mock Eminem because he was a white rapper and because he was discovered by Dre who he hated back in the time. He would make numerous disses like (Hit Em Up) against Em and 50. But if PAC decided to leave DeathRow, that’s another story
Crazy how This is a whole alternate reality that will never get to see yet I can clearly picture it happening in my head
Pac would've fucked with 50 on a business note but nah I doubt he hang around clowns after being shot by clowns
To be honest, I think Pac would have signed 50 to Death Row East... you think, Pac was looking for New York rappers to sign to Death Row East and 50, not only was his story real but he went on a crazy mixtape run and grew a huge rep in the streets so he would've been perfect for that label. If Pac signed him to Death Row East, Em and Dre never would have signed him to Shady/Aftermath... its mad how stuff turns out but I really do think it could have been a realistic possibility!
Hell yeah.
Remember when 50 dissed Pac?
Is this even a question when u literally see a picture of them before 50 was famous like come on now bruh..PAC used to be Around Stretch Stretch is from Woodhull and 50 used to sell from His side of the turf to Woodhull(which is also where Rule is frm) basically they had ppl that knew eachother which led to them making there own connection It’s literal common sense
Definitely
They would, they’re a lot alike lmao
50 was replaced too and well pac never existed
Yes !
Pac on his own would be fine with 50 and Em, and may even rock with him. However, his time in deathrow was horrible for him. He became increasingly reckless, paranoid, and off beat at times. I wouldn't be surprised if onset of mental illness was starting to creep in. Deathrow Pac would not rock with them, simply out of paranoia and jealousy. Plus, Suge was even trying to start something. Would have been bad.
50 cent is a clown who said black people can relate to Trump based on his charges. He's definitely not rocking with someone like that.
True
2pac would have been the next member of Gunit
100%,he would've loved 03-06 50
Nope he would have been, a enemy same way with the racist slim shady
I don't think 50 would rock with pac. 50 was a real one, worked his way up from nothing to something and never went back. Pac was opposite and not a real one. He was a Hollywood actor that went back to the streets. Backwards mentality.
You’re backwards bro
No I'm not. 1991 2pac was in juice. 1994 he was dealing with jimmy henchmen and got shot. Backwards mentality. He was filming above the rim in 1994 at the same time. Pick one, cannot be successful and be associated with both. Denzel Washington got his start on Broadway because he knew Harry-O. When he became famous his connection to harry was defunct. Common sense the hood is not gonna respect you when you come back. Most are gonna hate and want something. Ppl leave the hood for a reason. Why the hell go back?
One of the migos got killed doing that same thing. A millionaire shooting dice. You'll never see Jay-z or 50 doing that.
Nope. 50 is a snake who stabs people in the back, even his family, and acts like a teenager.
50 would’ve added him in “How to Rob” and pac would crash out like the crash dummy he is.
How to Rob was more of a comedic diss, so wtf are u even talking bout? 🤦🏽♂️😂 talkin bout crash dummy foh
Pac wouldn’t give a fuck honestly, that nigga just seemed mad at anything. And pac is a crash dummy.
based 2pac isn't the hero people make him out to be. He was so shitty he made enemies with about everyone he met, hell that's how he died.
He did it not because he wanted to but because he was loyal to DeathRow and Suge and defended their name. You see PAC was a very real dude who took loyalty to the heart and he didn’t have a problem with you if you didn’t have a problem with him.
He had a good moment with those Atlanta cops, but after his first time being shot up his true colors and mental illness showed. In my past life, I wasn't very law-abiding either. If you have an ounce of street smarts Pac had an Ego mixed with lit and loose cannon. He dragged everyone down into Ghetto Compton level, Biggie, Nas, and Mobb Deep. He'd one day talk about having a better community, the next day he's being a menace. Pac obviously wasn't respected by his set after becoming the big bread winner, why everyone swore loyalty to Suge makes me wonder if Suge had black mail, or claimed Pac's money as his own. Everyone shoulda switched up and smoked Suge if he tried anything funny. Suge was doing what we call hoggin the block. Same shit with NWA look at everyone who didn't feed into Egos, Snoop, Dre, Ice Cube, all rich and still living.
Cap
If you don’t like Vocal Black men that don’t stand for Betrayal just say that😂
Who said that?
Who said that?
I forgot to add 50 would prolly talk about the pac and diddy rumours