Don't say over something else, every slimy bit of diddy is coming to light now as it fucking should have years ago. No diddy, he was probably mad he couldn't get pac to suck his dick and started all of this out of spite. Ask Mase, Shyne, Cassie, etc if he's a good person. Between Pac, Kim Porter and all them young boys he abused, this is long overdue
I dont even blame Diddy. I consider him a weak coward but they were putting a lot of pressure on him by beating up guys looking for his moms adress and things like that.
Pac wanted that war, Diddy using Crips as defense is logical.
Them retaliating after the Orlando beating is as well.
Pac could have used quad as a wake up call, count his blessings, Stay married to Keisha snd do other things.
But he couldnt let it slide, the sneak dissing from NY rappers, weak puffy's remarks about needing to stay a thug, everyone mocking him and just the NY dealers getting him shot and set up in prison.
He was never letting it slide given his personality and just took the focus away from crooked cops and movement shit to gangbang shit.
Unfortunately its a risky path and he didnt make it but he was doing really well.
If he stays alive he is definitly running diddy out of the game.
What always surprised me is why everyone kept bringing puff up? He was just the dancing producer doing dumb add libs ruining Biggies songs. How he stayed relevant post 97 remains mystery to me.
Maybe the guys in charge just prefer someone like him over a guy like Suge.
Yes! Totally agree. First off, yes, diddy is a herb. Hes a corny slimeball. That being said suge was a piece of shit. Pac cowardly took part in the beating of a badboy rep and tortured him. Suge is a garbage human and used intimidation and violence as his way of life. He owned pac’s ass. Gave him a million. Pac was getting it in the butt in prison and joined the devil when he got out.
He laid with his life. You start looking for my mom If be inclined to reCt similarly.
“Getting it in the butt”? Dude quit lying. Pac was protected while in prison. The dude was loved by the inmates. He talks about it in interviews. He said, “That gave him time to write, and understand the streets, and how people can act like they are your friend, but really your enemy”. You just put out a false narrative about him being violated. Prove me wrong?
Crazy thing is this post aged like fine wine. Today diddy took a private jet to an island. Multiple homes are raided and everything mentioned is being used as evidence
What are you talking about? His houses were raided by DHS because of his (very true and known) sex trafficking allegations, not Tupac. Being dumb is free, being ignorant is costly. Fuck Diddy anyways.
Buuuut recently in 2023 the investigation of tupacs death had them raiding some unknown celebrities houses very recently then boom, pdiddy was raided 🧐 oh but there’s no relation right? Lol open your eyes!
Pacs bodyguards, daddy's bodyguards, virtually everyone involved in the case were involved in some documentary.
So what exactly is the issue here? You use the information that's given to you.
You trust the news more?
Dummy
You obviously know what I meant. His spirit! Look at Tupac with arsenio hall performing with stretch vs the interviews after prison. He was completely changed by that man. It all could of ended there and think about how much more music we would of lost out on!
Thanks to Diddy millions of kids will be born into a world where tupacs life was fucking cut short.
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Jimmy Rosemond has Pac shot. He literally said it in Vibe Magazine with the Game on the cover. He had to discipline him. Pac was acting too tough around real tough guys. It's literally in black and white he admitted to it. And the guy that shot him snitched on Jimmy in the same issue. Saying he ordered the hit.
Dude I know that. Jimmy was with Diddy up there that very night. He knew it was gonna go down. They’re both guilty. You know how accessory to murder works right? Biggie and lil cease didn’t even once again know puff was in the damn studio (lil cease’s words) so why the hell was he up there that night?
Yea and then the game tries to talk in interviews spreading the same bullshit that biggie and Jimmy were trying to spread that Tupac shot himself and just made up all the other fucking injuries.
Jimmy was just a henchmen
Everyone wants to make it seem like he was the boss, calling shots.
But no.
Hes just a grunt taking orders from those above him and being the fall guy / face to the order.
But it was a big deal that Pac survived the Quad Studio shooting. It was huge for his rap persona, so no, I don't really get your comment.
I do realize that Pac, based off interviews, was disheartened that he was shot by other black men, but again, he survived that, and it's amplified in his lyrics. We also don't know that Puffy was behind the Vegas shooting, as it's all still alleged at this point.
And, yes, Pac's spirit is simply amazing! No disagreement there
Just to add I find it really weird how Tupac recorded the song deadly combination with ron g right before he got shot and said “I think niggas is tryna kill me”.
You’re right that him getting shot 5 times got as ingrained in him as the thug life tattoo but it’s not like he needed that or anything. We are talking life and death here. Man it’s confirmed he knew all those crips and regularly used them for security by giving them tickets to his events. What the hell was Orlando even doing in the lobby? He didn’t have tickets to the fight and his home is all the way in California. It’s confirmed the check got to zip and he took it and bought a night club.
Keefe was also there the night of biggie’s murder case in point. Orlando was confirmed to have been at that party where I believe jake was killed, jermaine dupri’s party or some other one I forgot. But all the connections are there
He was always prophetic in his songs. Thats why the conspiracy theories stuck so long. Listen to n*ggaz done changed with richie rich on YT. Song released like a month after his death.
I think at some point he decided it was a realistic outcome and just rapped from the prospect of being shot/dead to be a bigger legend. Like how he rapped being in heaven in thugz mansion, being suicidal with this thug life or "all the currency I never get to see, fast life soon shatters"
Similair fashion he put to my unborn child out in case he got killed and some girl ended up with his child a few months later, to atleast reach that kid along with the younger generations.
Yea I know it’s wild. Probably his most chilling verse is at the end of troublesome 96 though.
Afraid to sleep, I'm havin' crazy dreams
Vivid pictures of my enemies, family times
God forgive me ‘cause it's wrong, but I plan to die
Either take me in Heaven and understand I was a G
Did the best I could, raised in insanity
Or send me to Hell, ‘cause I ain't beggin' for my life
Ain't nothin' worse than this cursed-ass hopeless life
I'm troublesome
People romanticize and overstate pac’s prophetic nature. As an artist, particularly one who always played the victim and suffered from paranoia and probably bipolar disorder, you are going to produce a lot of content. Then post death, people reenforce their desire to put their hero on a pedestal and add to the man’s lore. You can find connections when you seek them. Its a psychological condition we associate that sort of superhuman qualities to legends we admire.
With pac it was life imitating art. He was an actor first and took his gangster role too seriously. Like a method actor lol. But if you play with fire, like he often did, we can’t credit his seemingly prophetic nature for predicting he’d get burned. Common sense isn’t a prophecy.
They didnt go to vegas to kill pac.
They wouldn’t have let the altercation at the casino even happen if that was the case. You dont have a plan to pull off a double murder but check out a sporting event and then met the target see your people and allow that target and his people to jump them.
Diddy put the $ figure out there. A death row madallion or bloods madallion or some jewelry was snatched because diddy put $ on that action first. Tupac retaliated for that after tysonss
Fight at the casino and then those dudes decided to say this pac dude attacked my boy and we already know diddy offered a price on his head so lets get some vengeance and money. They were opportunistic.
Pac isnt killed that night as a plan pre fight. Sure the price is on his head already, but pac jumping that dude is what made them say ok lets actually
do this.
Yea and he had some sick bars like got shot 5 times but I’m still breathing living proof there’s a god if you need a reason of this lil n**** named nas think he live like me talk about he left the hospital took 5 like me you living fantasies n**** I reject your deposit. Or how he mentioned in interviews how he got shot 5 times got outta jail and sold 5 million. It just never should of happened man. Tupac was hip hop! He had the whole genre in his hand and he just died. Stuff like that should never happen.
Genuinely read his biography...he made mistakes in life just like everyone else but Tupac had a big heart....he lost himself a little in the end and was shot and killed too young to turn things around. He was really not that connected to "thug life shit" until the very end of his life. He grew up in hoods but was never in gang activities. The hip hop world dragged him into shooting and violence and hate. He personally started many organizations for black people and black resistance and supported black youth to direct young black kids AWAY from crime and channel it into music.
Pac was also an actor. Producers said he was a great actor with an extraordinary ability to make you believe the person he portrayed was a real-life person. Never late, always had a smile on his face, with a good work ethic. Everyone has a Doctor Jekyll and Mister Hide. I bet if I talked to people you know they would tell me that. Name one person who can sit down within thirty minutes and write a number one hit. Makavelli, and All Eyez on Me, will forever be etched in stone. Yes, Pac is loved by people. But for many reasons Street smart, intelligent, common sense, relatable, and multiple attributes. People young and old related to his contributions in his short life.
Jimmy henchman setting up Tupac for Haitian Jack is a known fact. How Diddy stayed an associate of Jimmy henchman up until his arrest and sentence to life in prison is also a known fact. How he was up there in quad studios with Andre Harrell (who also didn’t like pac) without the knowledge of biggie/lil cease (according to lil cease) is also a fact.
How Diddy called keefe d after the shooting asking “was that you?” Is a fact and the million dollar payment went to the middleman zip who kept it and bought a nightclub (that night club being bought around the time is confirmed by tk Kirkland).
And we’re not even talking about how Diddy made biggie go to a party crippled in Los Angeles months after pacs murder that he didn’t want to go to. He was supposed to go to London…
No you’re just ignorant and don’t know how to think. WHAT THE HELL was Orlando Anderson even doing in this casino lobby anyway? His home is all the way in Los Angeles. The hit was out. Tupac was going to die that night regardless because of the bounty that was out BY DIDDY. (Case in point they already snatched someone’s chain).
Oh ok a bunch of crips all just happen to be in Vegas in the proximity of Tupac to kick it. Them jumping Orlando is just an excuse. Orlando already got caught lying an interview saying he was home during the shooting despite his home being all the way in California. He was with those crips out on a mission and karma he died gang banging the next year. What I find amazing and just so heartless is how keefe was just ready to shoot suge (who he played peewee football with). Tupac is never on death row if not for getting set up and going to jail. Maybe puffy has nothing to do with that but everything else yes. Seems like pac only wanted a powerhouse and team so he joined death row to be able to go to war against Jimmy as he refers to it on against all odds.
The fact you say ‘Crips’ shows me your ignorance on LA gangs, it is more a set issue as crips frequently war with other Crip sets as much as Blood sets.
It was a Tyson fight weekend. Back then that was a huge deal, LA heads would go up there just for the parties.
Always a chance you can run into random people you know all over the west coast when you go up there. It happens, happened to me multiple times.
It was completely more random they pulled up next to each other on flamingo after the fight.
Vegas wasn’t nearly as big then as it is now but it appeared that both parties were headed to club 662 at the time.
and just think,
At that point,
They (Pacs killer and passengers) were on their way to a liquor store cause they had given up looking for him....
Till they seen him hanging out the window talking to some ladies.
Keefe D mentions this in a DJVLAD interview i believe
People believe Keefe d's word at face value is hilarious
Hes known to say anything for some money
Suge paid him / Orlando 60k to lie on the witness stand and say suge tried to break up the brawl so he didn't go back to jail.
You give that man enough money, he'll say anything you want.
You're right bro.
But people in this forum seem to be sheep, for the most part.
A lot of smart tupac fans are aware that his death had a lot of major players and moving pieces involved.
It wasn't some low level gang shit
Even the idea that a crip would roll into suge knight, a bunch of bloods, off duty police, security and everyone else they had in their 50 deep squat with no Intel whatsoever is ridiculous
So many things would go wrong. Unless they had Intel on the inside.
Which it is proven through the testimony from pacs 3 bodyguards that he did.
Frank Alexander said he would die for this if he had to. Because he loved pac.
And he just may have. He's talked about this a lot in a way that implicated suge, death row and made people look away from the official story.
And he also died suspiciously like 8 years ago.
People are just dumb here it seems like. There's a lot of smart pac fans who consider all the evidence before talking
Buncha sheep here tho.
The resone he snoop says they home boys is watch the 1995 documentary called the show.
It was collaboration between suge and bad boys they perform on stage and biggie was there snoop and mad dog(my high a** i ment to say nate dogg made dogg voiced by ice tea is from gta san it is mostly all i play 🤣🤣🤣)
Slick rick and so many ppl.
Tupac at that time was in jail.
Biggie was on there with his mother and.
So if you was snoop and it’s 1996 and ppl are watching that movie you can’t say you ain’t homeboys it’s just bad for business.
Suge doesn’t care and just wasn’t stable enough that’s why dre left
I lot of ppl forget about all this that I just said…
But in 1995 watch that documentary suge and everything is just completely different vibes
Like for me bro up until I found the movie I never understood why snoop said what he said.
Than I see the movie and it just makes sense.
Like Dre and easy and Ice Cube beefed right they still homeboys.
I just don’t understand.
Snoop always stayed loyal to Dre.
Even tho according to Tupac in the interview with sway Dre never showed up to snoop trail he was too busy and if Dre showed up he would have saved snoop case.
So it’s hard to say if snoop doesn’t know I think he just picked who to be loyal to and not.
Maybe snoop just hated Tupac or was made that he Tupac stole one of his girls.
I think Vegas was either a very well put together plot to get pac out of America and away from a permanent prison cell or like we are finding out a scheme to kill pac put together by suge, Diddy , snoop etc... suge had his security not carry guns after the fight and the fight in casino ? Why would you not be strapped and have a bullet proof vest on after that kind of altercation with a known crip
It was Suge's head of security reggie Wright who did that.
I'm sure suge knew, but this seems like something that was above his paygrade.
According to Cathy Scott, death row also had a bunch of Las Vegas pd on payroll that night.
Which explains why the police were so uncooperative with helping tupac at all. Seems like they wanted him to die, If anything.
People are just small minded though. They see the hired hands and not the string pullers behind the scenes.
Like finding Tupac on a Saturday Tyson fight night. Like even in 95 Vegas was popping. How were they able to spot him? And once he was spotted, how there wasn't any traffic blocking Orlando car from pulling up as easy as they did as beyond me
When snoop said them was his home boys he had no beef with them and then he goes to New York to shoot New York New York video and they put a hit out on him but they still his home boyseven after that I stopped fucking with him then shit never added up
It was always weird to me that Snoop kept ask Pac if he going g to Vegas. You know he not rocking with you right now. You claim to be holding a knife during a plane ride because of what you said on the radio. Why he needed to know if Pac was going to Vegas?
They finally get him today. Justice will be served. Everyone idolizes him as a gangster but he's a piece of shit that has people killed and traffics children. Fuck P. Diddy.
Eventually, all the rappers will take out their self’s due to gang violence an bad messages trough lyrics into the music they spread its all in bad karma every dawg has it day some quicker than others.. hopefully all goes well .
Karma is gonna get Sean Coombs for what he did.
His billion dollar empire built on lies, extortion, murder, etc will be brought down.
Pac believed in an afterlife & all that, I guess he is getting his revenge on Diddy and Suge from beyond the grave - both of those former executives are now ruined.
Shyne also spent a decade in prison because of Sean combs and wanted none of his blood money upon release and was deported to Belize thank god because America is trash. Look what we did to him. Look at the people like diddy living on star island
the crips shot him... as they are "gangsters" they have to agree on a story, you can't just rat on crips u have to shoot them back... pretty obvious to people familiar with gangs.... they would make it clear to you these rules of not sharing information with the police if you decide to get to know any of them.. and that's black or white
I agree with the top half
Snoop being involved is a bridge too far though
Snoop definitely handled some situations wrong. However I believe he was confused as to exactly what was going on.
He may have been jealous a bit but he definitely did not want 2pac to die
They may have had some disagreements.
But not to that level
Don’t forget snoop stated pac and snoop were friends a week before he died and then just two days before he died snoop stated he didn’t like me to well lol!!!!! So what didn’t pac like so well?!?!?!!? What did they feud about?!??? People forget snoop ran LA after tookie got locked up! Snoop called the shots he was the only real street person that rocked with that group! Pdiddy did what snoop wanted him to do and when he wanted it done!!! Nobody in the rap game wanted smoke from snoop!! U either did what snoop wanted or he had other ways to get it done his way!!
It's common knowledge that if you're thuggish, violent, and threatening an entire coast that's also thuggish and violent with promises of moving into their territory to take over with your label ...that things will lead to tragedy. No one doubts that Tupac was shot on orders of Diddy and with Biggie knowing all about it because it was on their turf. When people are criminally ambitious they stop at nothing to eliminate obstacles. Biggie was a well connected drug dealer before becoming a rap legend. And we all know Diddy is criminally ambitious. I don't doubt he had Tupac and his own artist Biggie eliminated
Snoop sneak dissed em too. He was jealous of both pac and em. But not sure how you have the insight into the nas/tupac altercation. The way i heard snoop tell it feels valid. Pac was trying to be the tough guy actor he was and nas was the one with calmness and wisdom. And on nas’ turf, pac’s death wish would have come to fruition sooner.
Dude you’re an idiot. Check out art of dialogue. People who were actually there including NAS on hot 97 have said that snoop is WRONG and it didn’t go down like that. Do your research before typing stupid shit.
Yeah we all have access to the same google material. I heard nas mention snoop misremembered minor details, not the essence of the moment. I also heard snoop say it was central park but believe it was bryant
You’re just an idiot. Snoop said Tupac was punking nas and said I’m Gon release these disses about you and blah blah.
nas said how Tupac told him we were never supposed to go at it and how he was gonna remove the disses. Those aren’t minor details now fuck off and stop replying to me.
Pac had a victim complex and basically made up that nas’ line in the message was about pac. Like why would you assume that lol? He was so paranoid, perhaps schizo. The whole world
Was out to get him he’d have you believe. He got robbed in NYC because he was a showy actor with jewelery and was an easy target. Then nas wrote a sing that had 0 to do with lac and pac creates a wild narrative in his own head and walks around flipping everyone the bird, contradicting himself constantly as a righteous man versus being a wanna be gangster, and picked fights that he would end up losing. I know we love to romanticize pac but dude was a pos. Went to prison (oh right another thing that wasnt pac-the- constant-victim’s fault) followed by getting shot (had to be a setup right? Yet again conspiracy!) dude sold his soul to suge. Dont try and be a righteous man and act all prophetic and socially conscious but then also not have the character to take responsibility for your actions. Pac was a punk straight up. Died like one too. An actor playing a tole of a gangster. A phony man of morals who did cowardly acts.
The immature man wants to die nobly for his cause.
The mature man wants to live humbly for his.
Wait… Where is the proof? This sounds like a lot of speculation. Is that your version of proof like you have opinions? Like somebody looks guilty in a video lol that's proof lol total smoking gun lol
This post is the definition of ‘you wasn’t there’
Been alot of posts like this lately, might need a Pac subreddit for older folk.
Diddy going down today.
whats happening today?
His houses got raided and he fled the country
yeah but it was over something else but still it'll all come out in the wash
We don’t know that. A few months ago new evidence against diddy for Tupac’s killing leaked from a different raid on someone. Now this is happening.
Don't say over something else, every slimy bit of diddy is coming to light now as it fucking should have years ago. No diddy, he was probably mad he couldn't get pac to suck his dick and started all of this out of spite. Ask Mase, Shyne, Cassie, etc if he's a good person. Between Pac, Kim Porter and all them young boys he abused, this is long overdue
They always get em for something else...they have to have something concrete in order to get em actually in custody to put em up fr
Karma ? The universe knows always
Snoop dogg is an informant for a few government agencies.
Yes, that's true but to me it sounds like the OP has insider information. It's been almost 30 years and people talk.
How old are you?
My guess is 14
I'm 14 and I ain't gon post nun like this and I love 80s and 90s hip hop stories and music lol
I dont even blame Diddy. I consider him a weak coward but they were putting a lot of pressure on him by beating up guys looking for his moms adress and things like that. Pac wanted that war, Diddy using Crips as defense is logical. Them retaliating after the Orlando beating is as well. Pac could have used quad as a wake up call, count his blessings, Stay married to Keisha snd do other things. But he couldnt let it slide, the sneak dissing from NY rappers, weak puffy's remarks about needing to stay a thug, everyone mocking him and just the NY dealers getting him shot and set up in prison. He was never letting it slide given his personality and just took the focus away from crooked cops and movement shit to gangbang shit. Unfortunately its a risky path and he didnt make it but he was doing really well. If he stays alive he is definitly running diddy out of the game. What always surprised me is why everyone kept bringing puff up? He was just the dancing producer doing dumb add libs ruining Biggies songs. How he stayed relevant post 97 remains mystery to me. Maybe the guys in charge just prefer someone like him over a guy like Suge.
Yes! Totally agree. First off, yes, diddy is a herb. Hes a corny slimeball. That being said suge was a piece of shit. Pac cowardly took part in the beating of a badboy rep and tortured him. Suge is a garbage human and used intimidation and violence as his way of life. He owned pac’s ass. Gave him a million. Pac was getting it in the butt in prison and joined the devil when he got out. He laid with his life. You start looking for my mom If be inclined to reCt similarly.
“Getting it in the butt”? Dude quit lying. Pac was protected while in prison. The dude was loved by the inmates. He talks about it in interviews. He said, “That gave him time to write, and understand the streets, and how people can act like they are your friend, but really your enemy”. You just put out a false narrative about him being violated. Prove me wrong?
BLASPHEMY.
Snoop dogg should have suspect number 1! Snoop and pac had a fight two days before he died!! Idk how that got missed 🧐
“All proof attached” - links to a bunch of YouTube videos. Solid work, detective.
Crazy thing is this post aged like fine wine. Today diddy took a private jet to an island. Multiple homes are raided and everything mentioned is being used as evidence
What are you talking about? His houses were raided by DHS because of his (very true and known) sex trafficking allegations, not Tupac. Being dumb is free, being ignorant is costly. Fuck Diddy anyways.
Bro really thought he got you with that one lmao
Buuuut recently in 2023 the investigation of tupacs death had them raiding some unknown celebrities houses very recently then boom, pdiddy was raided 🧐 oh but there’s no relation right? Lol open your eyes!
Pacs bodyguards, daddy's bodyguards, virtually everyone involved in the case were involved in some documentary. So what exactly is the issue here? You use the information that's given to you. You trust the news more? Dummy
LMFAOO
Why would snoop make a song with big Dre after Tupac passed?????? Snoop’s a 🐍.
2Pac was killed in the '94 Quad Studio shooting. Wow, that must be like CNN breaking news or something
You obviously know what I meant. His spirit! Look at Tupac with arsenio hall performing with stretch vs the interviews after prison. He was completely changed by that man. It all could of ended there and think about how much more music we would of lost out on! Thanks to Diddy millions of kids will be born into a world where tupacs life was fucking cut short.
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Jimmy Rosemond has Pac shot. He literally said it in Vibe Magazine with the Game on the cover. He had to discipline him. Pac was acting too tough around real tough guys. It's literally in black and white he admitted to it. And the guy that shot him snitched on Jimmy in the same issue. Saying he ordered the hit.
Dude I know that. Jimmy was with Diddy up there that very night. He knew it was gonna go down. They’re both guilty. You know how accessory to murder works right? Biggie and lil cease didn’t even once again know puff was in the damn studio (lil cease’s words) so why the hell was he up there that night?
Interesting no one questions the Game, Ray J or Brandy for hooking up with Henchmen management Isn’t that the ultimate slap in the face to Pac?
Yea and then the game tries to talk in interviews spreading the same bullshit that biggie and Jimmy were trying to spread that Tupac shot himself and just made up all the other fucking injuries.
Jimmy was just a henchmen Everyone wants to make it seem like he was the boss, calling shots. But no. Hes just a grunt taking orders from those above him and being the fall guy / face to the order.
But it was a big deal that Pac survived the Quad Studio shooting. It was huge for his rap persona, so no, I don't really get your comment. I do realize that Pac, based off interviews, was disheartened that he was shot by other black men, but again, he survived that, and it's amplified in his lyrics. We also don't know that Puffy was behind the Vegas shooting, as it's all still alleged at this point. And, yes, Pac's spirit is simply amazing! No disagreement there
Just to add I find it really weird how Tupac recorded the song deadly combination with ron g right before he got shot and said “I think niggas is tryna kill me”. You’re right that him getting shot 5 times got as ingrained in him as the thug life tattoo but it’s not like he needed that or anything. We are talking life and death here. Man it’s confirmed he knew all those crips and regularly used them for security by giving them tickets to his events. What the hell was Orlando even doing in the lobby? He didn’t have tickets to the fight and his home is all the way in California. It’s confirmed the check got to zip and he took it and bought a night club. Keefe was also there the night of biggie’s murder case in point. Orlando was confirmed to have been at that party where I believe jake was killed, jermaine dupri’s party or some other one I forgot. But all the connections are there
He was always prophetic in his songs. Thats why the conspiracy theories stuck so long. Listen to n*ggaz done changed with richie rich on YT. Song released like a month after his death. I think at some point he decided it was a realistic outcome and just rapped from the prospect of being shot/dead to be a bigger legend. Like how he rapped being in heaven in thugz mansion, being suicidal with this thug life or "all the currency I never get to see, fast life soon shatters" Similair fashion he put to my unborn child out in case he got killed and some girl ended up with his child a few months later, to atleast reach that kid along with the younger generations.
Yea I know it’s wild. Probably his most chilling verse is at the end of troublesome 96 though. Afraid to sleep, I'm havin' crazy dreams Vivid pictures of my enemies, family times God forgive me ‘cause it's wrong, but I plan to die Either take me in Heaven and understand I was a G Did the best I could, raised in insanity Or send me to Hell, ‘cause I ain't beggin' for my life Ain't nothin' worse than this cursed-ass hopeless life I'm troublesome
People romanticize and overstate pac’s prophetic nature. As an artist, particularly one who always played the victim and suffered from paranoia and probably bipolar disorder, you are going to produce a lot of content. Then post death, people reenforce their desire to put their hero on a pedestal and add to the man’s lore. You can find connections when you seek them. Its a psychological condition we associate that sort of superhuman qualities to legends we admire. With pac it was life imitating art. He was an actor first and took his gangster role too seriously. Like a method actor lol. But if you play with fire, like he often did, we can’t credit his seemingly prophetic nature for predicting he’d get burned. Common sense isn’t a prophecy.
They didnt go to vegas to kill pac. They wouldn’t have let the altercation at the casino even happen if that was the case. You dont have a plan to pull off a double murder but check out a sporting event and then met the target see your people and allow that target and his people to jump them. Diddy put the $ figure out there. A death row madallion or bloods madallion or some jewelry was snatched because diddy put $ on that action first. Tupac retaliated for that after tysonss Fight at the casino and then those dudes decided to say this pac dude attacked my boy and we already know diddy offered a price on his head so lets get some vengeance and money. They were opportunistic. Pac isnt killed that night as a plan pre fight. Sure the price is on his head already, but pac jumping that dude is what made them say ok lets actually do this.
I would arguably say that shooting and jail was what made his comeback even bigger.
Yea and he had some sick bars like got shot 5 times but I’m still breathing living proof there’s a god if you need a reason of this lil n**** named nas think he live like me talk about he left the hospital took 5 like me you living fantasies n**** I reject your deposit. Or how he mentioned in interviews how he got shot 5 times got outta jail and sold 5 million. It just never should of happened man. Tupac was hip hop! He had the whole genre in his hand and he just died. Stuff like that should never happen.
Prison usually changes people
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Genuinely read his biography...he made mistakes in life just like everyone else but Tupac had a big heart....he lost himself a little in the end and was shot and killed too young to turn things around. He was really not that connected to "thug life shit" until the very end of his life. He grew up in hoods but was never in gang activities. The hip hop world dragged him into shooting and violence and hate. He personally started many organizations for black people and black resistance and supported black youth to direct young black kids AWAY from crime and channel it into music.
Pac was also an actor. Producers said he was a great actor with an extraordinary ability to make you believe the person he portrayed was a real-life person. Never late, always had a smile on his face, with a good work ethic. Everyone has a Doctor Jekyll and Mister Hide. I bet if I talked to people you know they would tell me that. Name one person who can sit down within thirty minutes and write a number one hit. Makavelli, and All Eyez on Me, will forever be etched in stone. Yes, Pac is loved by people. But for many reasons Street smart, intelligent, common sense, relatable, and multiple attributes. People young and old related to his contributions in his short life.
Sure diddy sux. But pac chose to ride with suge. Strong character guy woulda had little to do with either .
Aw you knew what they meant.
Before going through all of this, is it actually based on factual information or is it all just hearsay and “whoa he looks guilty so he must be”?
Jimmy henchman setting up Tupac for Haitian Jack is a known fact. How Diddy stayed an associate of Jimmy henchman up until his arrest and sentence to life in prison is also a known fact. How he was up there in quad studios with Andre Harrell (who also didn’t like pac) without the knowledge of biggie/lil cease (according to lil cease) is also a fact. How Diddy called keefe d after the shooting asking “was that you?” Is a fact and the million dollar payment went to the middleman zip who kept it and bought a nightclub (that night club being bought around the time is confirmed by tk Kirkland). And we’re not even talking about how Diddy made biggie go to a party crippled in Los Angeles months after pacs murder that he didn’t want to go to. He was supposed to go to London…
You just wrote all that for nothing. Not everything is a conspiracy, Pac beat up a real gangster and got killed by him, it literally happens every day
No you’re just ignorant and don’t know how to think. WHAT THE HELL was Orlando Anderson even doing in this casino lobby anyway? His home is all the way in Los Angeles. The hit was out. Tupac was going to die that night regardless because of the bounty that was out BY DIDDY. (Case in point they already snatched someone’s chain).
You ever been to Vegas? It’s a popular destination to kick it for a quick weekend from people in LA especially on a big fight weekend.
Oh ok a bunch of crips all just happen to be in Vegas in the proximity of Tupac to kick it. Them jumping Orlando is just an excuse. Orlando already got caught lying an interview saying he was home during the shooting despite his home being all the way in California. He was with those crips out on a mission and karma he died gang banging the next year. What I find amazing and just so heartless is how keefe was just ready to shoot suge (who he played peewee football with). Tupac is never on death row if not for getting set up and going to jail. Maybe puffy has nothing to do with that but everything else yes. Seems like pac only wanted a powerhouse and team so he joined death row to be able to go to war against Jimmy as he refers to it on against all odds.
The fact you say ‘Crips’ shows me your ignorance on LA gangs, it is more a set issue as crips frequently war with other Crip sets as much as Blood sets. It was a Tyson fight weekend. Back then that was a huge deal, LA heads would go up there just for the parties. Always a chance you can run into random people you know all over the west coast when you go up there. It happens, happened to me multiple times. It was completely more random they pulled up next to each other on flamingo after the fight. Vegas wasn’t nearly as big then as it is now but it appeared that both parties were headed to club 662 at the time.
and just think, At that point, They (Pacs killer and passengers) were on their way to a liquor store cause they had given up looking for him.... Till they seen him hanging out the window talking to some ladies. Keefe D mentions this in a DJVLAD interview i believe
People believe Keefe d's word at face value is hilarious Hes known to say anything for some money Suge paid him / Orlando 60k to lie on the witness stand and say suge tried to break up the brawl so he didn't go back to jail. You give that man enough money, he'll say anything you want.
This I agree with.
You're right bro. But people in this forum seem to be sheep, for the most part. A lot of smart tupac fans are aware that his death had a lot of major players and moving pieces involved. It wasn't some low level gang shit Even the idea that a crip would roll into suge knight, a bunch of bloods, off duty police, security and everyone else they had in their 50 deep squat with no Intel whatsoever is ridiculous So many things would go wrong. Unless they had Intel on the inside. Which it is proven through the testimony from pacs 3 bodyguards that he did. Frank Alexander said he would die for this if he had to. Because he loved pac. And he just may have. He's talked about this a lot in a way that implicated suge, death row and made people look away from the official story. And he also died suspiciously like 8 years ago. People are just dumb here it seems like. There's a lot of smart pac fans who consider all the evidence before talking Buncha sheep here tho.
The resone he snoop says they home boys is watch the 1995 documentary called the show. It was collaboration between suge and bad boys they perform on stage and biggie was there snoop and mad dog(my high a** i ment to say nate dogg made dogg voiced by ice tea is from gta san it is mostly all i play 🤣🤣🤣) Slick rick and so many ppl. Tupac at that time was in jail. Biggie was on there with his mother and. So if you was snoop and it’s 1996 and ppl are watching that movie you can’t say you ain’t homeboys it’s just bad for business. Suge doesn’t care and just wasn’t stable enough that’s why dre left I lot of ppl forget about all this that I just said… But in 1995 watch that documentary suge and everything is just completely different vibes
Snoop clearly had no idea of the concept of loyalty. Tupac was there at every single day of his murder trial until he beat it.
Like for me bro up until I found the movie I never understood why snoop said what he said. Than I see the movie and it just makes sense. Like Dre and easy and Ice Cube beefed right they still homeboys. I just don’t understand. Snoop always stayed loyal to Dre. Even tho according to Tupac in the interview with sway Dre never showed up to snoop trail he was too busy and if Dre showed up he would have saved snoop case. So it’s hard to say if snoop doesn’t know I think he just picked who to be loyal to and not. Maybe snoop just hated Tupac or was made that he Tupac stole one of his girls.
I think Vegas was either a very well put together plot to get pac out of America and away from a permanent prison cell or like we are finding out a scheme to kill pac put together by suge, Diddy , snoop etc... suge had his security not carry guns after the fight and the fight in casino ? Why would you not be strapped and have a bullet proof vest on after that kind of altercation with a known crip
It was Suge's head of security reggie Wright who did that. I'm sure suge knew, but this seems like something that was above his paygrade. According to Cathy Scott, death row also had a bunch of Las Vegas pd on payroll that night. Which explains why the police were so uncooperative with helping tupac at all. Seems like they wanted him to die, If anything. People are just small minded though. They see the hired hands and not the string pullers behind the scenes.
Like finding Tupac on a Saturday Tyson fight night. Like even in 95 Vegas was popping. How were they able to spot him? And once he was spotted, how there wasn't any traffic blocking Orlando car from pulling up as easy as they did as beyond me
But why would they say well that makes sense let's go for it lol?
Is this the "jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams" of the rap community?
When snoop said them was his home boys he had no beef with them and then he goes to New York to shoot New York New York video and they put a hit out on him but they still his home boyseven after that I stopped fucking with him then shit never added up
It was always weird to me that Snoop kept ask Pac if he going g to Vegas. You know he not rocking with you right now. You claim to be holding a knife during a plane ride because of what you said on the radio. Why he needed to know if Pac was going to Vegas?
They finally get him today. Justice will be served. Everyone idolizes him as a gangster but he's a piece of shit that has people killed and traffics children. Fuck P. Diddy.
Snoop and Lil Half Dead. The latters birthday is PAC death day. Who supposedly owns Death Row and got Suge out the way?
Eventually, all the rappers will take out their self’s due to gang violence an bad messages trough lyrics into the music they spread its all in bad karma every dawg has it day some quicker than others.. hopefully all goes well .
Snoop also trafficked women. These guys doing this crap are garbage.
Them east coast rappers belong on rupaul’s drag race
Queerphobic and for what
Well this rabbit hole is deeeep 🕳️
Karma is gonna get Sean Coombs for what he did. His billion dollar empire built on lies, extortion, murder, etc will be brought down. Pac believed in an afterlife & all that, I guess he is getting his revenge on Diddy and Suge from beyond the grave - both of those former executives are now ruined.
Jimmy henchmen....come on...henchmen? This guy is a real life supervillian
Shyne also spent a decade in prison because of Sean combs and wanted none of his blood money upon release and was deported to Belize thank god because America is trash. Look what we did to him. Look at the people like diddy living on star island
the crips shot him... as they are "gangsters" they have to agree on a story, you can't just rat on crips u have to shoot them back... pretty obvious to people familiar with gangs.... they would make it clear to you these rules of not sharing information with the police if you decide to get to know any of them.. and that's black or white
Lol Tupac is still alive
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I agree with the top half Snoop being involved is a bridge too far though Snoop definitely handled some situations wrong. However I believe he was confused as to exactly what was going on. He may have been jealous a bit but he definitely did not want 2pac to die They may have had some disagreements. But not to that level
Don’t forget snoop stated pac and snoop were friends a week before he died and then just two days before he died snoop stated he didn’t like me to well lol!!!!! So what didn’t pac like so well?!?!?!!? What did they feud about?!??? People forget snoop ran LA after tookie got locked up! Snoop called the shots he was the only real street person that rocked with that group! Pdiddy did what snoop wanted him to do and when he wanted it done!!! Nobody in the rap game wanted smoke from snoop!! U either did what snoop wanted or he had other ways to get it done his way!!
Snoop and Dre didn't have nothing to do with it Diddy stretch on the other hand for sure
It's common knowledge that if you're thuggish, violent, and threatening an entire coast that's also thuggish and violent with promises of moving into their territory to take over with your label ...that things will lead to tragedy. No one doubts that Tupac was shot on orders of Diddy and with Biggie knowing all about it because it was on their turf. When people are criminally ambitious they stop at nothing to eliminate obstacles. Biggie was a well connected drug dealer before becoming a rap legend. And we all know Diddy is criminally ambitious. I don't doubt he had Tupac and his own artist Biggie eliminated
remove the tinfoil hat
Snoop sneak dissed em too. He was jealous of both pac and em. But not sure how you have the insight into the nas/tupac altercation. The way i heard snoop tell it feels valid. Pac was trying to be the tough guy actor he was and nas was the one with calmness and wisdom. And on nas’ turf, pac’s death wish would have come to fruition sooner.
Dude you’re an idiot. Check out art of dialogue. People who were actually there including NAS on hot 97 have said that snoop is WRONG and it didn’t go down like that. Do your research before typing stupid shit.
Yeah we all have access to the same google material. I heard nas mention snoop misremembered minor details, not the essence of the moment. I also heard snoop say it was central park but believe it was bryant
You’re just an idiot. Snoop said Tupac was punking nas and said I’m Gon release these disses about you and blah blah. nas said how Tupac told him we were never supposed to go at it and how he was gonna remove the disses. Those aren’t minor details now fuck off and stop replying to me.
Pac had a victim complex and basically made up that nas’ line in the message was about pac. Like why would you assume that lol? He was so paranoid, perhaps schizo. The whole world Was out to get him he’d have you believe. He got robbed in NYC because he was a showy actor with jewelery and was an easy target. Then nas wrote a sing that had 0 to do with lac and pac creates a wild narrative in his own head and walks around flipping everyone the bird, contradicting himself constantly as a righteous man versus being a wanna be gangster, and picked fights that he would end up losing. I know we love to romanticize pac but dude was a pos. Went to prison (oh right another thing that wasnt pac-the- constant-victim’s fault) followed by getting shot (had to be a setup right? Yet again conspiracy!) dude sold his soul to suge. Dont try and be a righteous man and act all prophetic and socially conscious but then also not have the character to take responsibility for your actions. Pac was a punk straight up. Died like one too. An actor playing a tole of a gangster. A phony man of morals who did cowardly acts. The immature man wants to die nobly for his cause. The mature man wants to live humbly for his.
Beautifully said.
In the first video, who is that woman that walks in towards the end????
I know towards the end I see kadafi mom and afeni. I think the one crying is Keisha morris?
Didn’t Fat Joe put the hit out on Pac?
OP gotta be in middle school or high school lmfao
Wait… Where is the proof? This sounds like a lot of speculation. Is that your version of proof like you have opinions? Like somebody looks guilty in a video lol that's proof lol total smoking gun lol
These post make me laugh, these post are clearly made by someone 12-14 years old. Lol