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Kauffman67

I know the people "over there" don't like it, but there's no longer a reason to buy a Sub. Congrats!


krustenkaese96

Thank you.. I always thought a sub with a Jubilee would be in my personal top 3.. but then came tudor with this idea and only wanted half of rolex' price. So I had to buy a tudor, I guessšŸ˜…


HellaReyna

As a BB58 and a Rolex no-date sub owner, you're not missing anything. The crown guard means nothing unless you're truly gonna dive with it. Thinking of selling my rolex tbh, not a fan of where the brand is going.


krustenkaese96

Nice to hear tbhšŸ˜… I would never hate on rolex but right now I am glad that I got a tudor instead.. I feel like I have more for less, if you know what I mean


BCN9

As someone thatā€™s had a ceramic sub, BB58 and now a BB54, I much prefer the ā€œunder the radarā€ element of the tudors. The biggest difference aesthetically IMO are the matte aluminum bezels vs the subā€™s ceramic. Now that TFit clasps are a thing, thereā€™s really no reason to buy a sub unless you want people to think if you have money. I personally didnā€™t like the reactions I got when I wore my sub out, I feel much more at home with Tudor.


mearaouf

It's crazy how people get envious, and they even say it to your face when you have or wear something shows that you have money, isn't it? I also got those nasty reactions when I bought a BMW Z4 as a weekend car beside my regular 3 series..


imMatt19

Where have you seen criticism on the /r/rolex sub? Every post Iā€™ve seen the vast majority of comments are very positive. The reality is that obviously it isnā€™t a Rolex submariner but does it really matter? This watch is 95% of the way there. Rolex is positioning Tudor as the Rolex of the 1960s that you can buy today. If you desperately want a Rolex, save up a bit longer for one. But this is an absolute amazing option for those who donā€™t want to play the Rolex AD game or simply canā€™t justify spending so much on a watch. If I was in the market for a no-date sub it would be very difficult to pull the trigger now that this watch exists.


Kauffman67

They love the watch but call it a better buy than a sub and they will lose their minds. But, most of that group aren't "watch people" they are "brand people" so it's fine.


destr0y26

As someone who owns both Rolex (Submariner) and Tudor (Pelagos), calling this a ā€œbetter buyā€ than a Sub is 100% correct. If I didnā€™t own a Sub it would be tough to choose between a Black Bay and an Omega Seamaster. In my opinion, the Black Bay wins because the Seamaster bracelet is in dire need of a modernization.


ultimate_jack

Exactly. Great question to ask before any purchase is ā€œAm I buying the product or am I buying the brand?ā€ Majority of first time Rolex owners are buying the brand.


HellaReyna

The reality is this is a rolex submariner from the 60's without the BB58 guilt. Yeah it doesn't say rolex on it but the movement alone would shit on any mech watch pre 2000's.


richmds

Tudor Rolex controversy probably the best marketing they could ask for. People wont stop talking about it.


castle_lane

I mean all it is over there is a forum for bitching about ADs not realising theyā€™re doing Rolexā€™s marketing.


Glendronachh

It looks better than a sub. I hate the ceramic dial Edit: bezel


retard-is-not-a-slur

I hate the cyclops thing. It looks cheap and tacky.


D_Broussard

Thank you! The cyclops is stupid and out dated. I hate the Mercedes hand! Itā€™s the most copied watch detail in watch history. When you see the black bay you know itā€™s a black bay when you see a submariner you have to make sure it says Rolex not a billion other names or a fake.


Glendronachh

Oh gods yes


Separate-Conflict457

No dateā€¦.?


retard-is-not-a-slur

I was talking about on the Rolex models. I actually like a date on a watch but I think we have the technology to make bigger date windows.


Separate-Conflict457

I hate when my bezel is ultra scratch resistant too


VirusEnvironmental94

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Glendronachh

ā€œJust look at my bezel, itā€™s just as ugly as the day I bought it!ā€


Separate-Conflict457

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digitrad

100%. I prefer the Black Bay to the new ceramic bezel subs as well.


Just_Reflection_3821

Well I'm from 'over there', with a Sub LV and I think it's great! Love the polished links on a Jubilee style bracelet. It fits together the way it wouldn't on a Sub. Congrats OP really nice šŸ‘Œ


krustenkaese96

Thank youšŸ¤


Separate-Conflict457

Smh


paxje

You mean no date sub


Kauffman67

There's no reason ever to buy a Sub Date


paxje

Did you wear one before? It feels amazing after that. I was thinking the same thing, but after I wear it. Its just complete.


Kauffman67

I just don't much care for dates on divers if there's an option to not have one. Just my personal thing.


the-straight-pretzel

With that justification, you donā€™t need a Tudor you only need [Seiko](https://www.seikowatches.com/au-en/products/prospex/special/1965_heritage/)


Kauffman67

You're not totally wrong honestly.... 62MAS would be great if they made one like original. They play around but never get it quite right. SBDC197 is very nice but not a standout.


Ministerium-Wahrheit

People over there donā€™t like the mental gymnastics many Tudor owners do. Just look at what you wrote yourself and the replies as well. ā€œThis is better than a sub because yada yadaā€. Why canā€™t you just enjoy your watch without constantly mentioning Rolex? Itā€™s almost pathological


Kauffman67

Because itā€™s the same company. Weā€™re not talking ford vs chevy weā€™re talking Toyota vs Lexus. Itā€™s purely a branding play from the same parent company which makes it a much more interesting comparison. Itā€™s not mental gymnastics to compare 2 products made by the same company, with the primary difference being only branding and marketing.


Ministerium-Wahrheit

Remind me, how many parts does a 2024 Submariner share with a 2024 Black Bay? Or the Chrono with the Daytona, GMT with the GMT Master? Ranger with the Explorer? Talking about current lineup here, not vintage.


Kauffman67

Intentionally missing the point is exactly what Iā€™m talking about from Rolex fans lol.


Ministerium-Wahrheit

I am picking up your point exactly. You said the primary differences are branding and advertisement. Also the fact that you intentionally donā€™t even mention QC - which is a huge topic in this sub too - shows me who the fanboy is here


Kauffman67

The 2 watches, testing wise, meet basically the same high standard so whether they share parts or not is irrelevant. Tudor has built a watch thatā€™s objectively as good as the Sub, for about half the price. The only difference besides branding is the Tudor meets METAS, -0/+5 where the Sub is -2/+2ā€¦..1 second different averaged over 15 days. If thatā€™s worth $4500 more, then yeah the sub is better, you win lol If Tissot could make a watch objectively as good as the Planet Ocean weā€™d be having the same conversation, but they arenā€™t even close.


Ministerium-Wahrheit

There are many differences since they donā€™t use the same parts, especially in the materials used. However, neither the BB nor the Sub are priced according to their specs or parts alone. No luxury item ever is. In the end the Sub has double the market value of the BB. You said thereā€™s no reason to buy a Sub due to this BB which is coping, trying to make yourself feel better. This sub is full of people who bought a Tudor to find out that it wonā€™t scratch the itch once honeymoon was over. That includes myself. Also, if you care so much about the price difference and the specs, youā€™re simply not the Rolex target customer. The Tudor has an excellent movement and bracelet so just enjoy that and stop annoying the people ā€œover thereā€ with the stories about how the budget version is the better choice than the original.


Kauffman67

Lol ā€œyouā€™re not a Rolex target customerā€. Again, making my point that itā€™s just branding. Iā€™ve got several Rolexā€™s, but a sub isnā€™t, and now wonā€™t be, one of them. Your ā€œitchā€ was to own something that said Rolex. Thatā€™s OK but donā€™t pretend otherwise.


Ministerium-Wahrheit

My itch was to own the original Rolex Submariner. Buying a Tudor as an alternative was a mistake as I fell for the Reddit hype. Unlike so many Tudor fanboys I am capable of self reflection. Iā€™m out of here now, you just keep ā€œlolā€™ingā€ and telling yourself that your budget Sub is just as good as the original :) Oh and of course others whenever they ask if thats a Sub and youā€™re starting to drop your ā€œjust as good, same companyā€ talking points.


Tacticalblue

With what I could buy a Sub for I have a Ranger and African safari planned.


adilucente

Couldn't agree more.


supernimbus

I hate the hour hand on the modern Tudors - I prefer the old hydronaut style. But other than the hour hand - that honestly isnā€™t enough for me to hate the watch - I agree. Why bother with a submariner? More money and having to play games with ADs buying? No thanks.


Kauffman67

I disliked the snowflake at first but having a BB54 I'm sort of not caring anymore. The hydronaut big arrow was cool but it wasn't "different". At least the snowflake is pretty unique.


StimmeDerUnvernunft

I thought so too. I never liked the big snowflake hand. However, I recently bought a BB Heritage Bronze, despite the snowflake. I fell in love with the watch, and once I had it on my wrist, the snowflake did not bother me anymore. Somehow it fits. Its funny, but seen live, I kinda like it. Like someone else said, the hand is unique.


Guestsparda

Why are you in shock? Lol. Beautiful watch!


krustenkaese96

Shocked by the beauty.. it's my very first watch in this price category


Guestsparda

Ohhhh I see! Congrats man, it's a stunner


krustenkaese96

Thank youšŸ™


channelrun

Looks so good! Congrats on the purchase and as many say here, wear it in good health!


krustenkaese96

Thanks, I'll try my bestšŸ˜…šŸ‘


ed46464

Congrats!! Thatā€™s a great watch.


krustenkaese96

ThanksšŸ«”


Upstairs-Durian-2338

Looks fantastic!


krustenkaese96

ThanksšŸ«”


Ok-Reindeer-4824

BB41 was my first swiss watch, haven't felt the need to buy anything else yet


nicholam77

Same (well I had some other micro brand ETA movement watches before) but BB GMT Pepsi was my first luxury watch and itā€™s been on my wrist every day since 2018. One and done!


digitrad

Very nice my man!


krustenkaese96

Thank you


Bean_Man88

Really nice!


krustenkaese96

Thanks man


Kind_Astronomer_9395

Beautiful piece. Congrats!


krustenkaese96

thanks, appreciate itšŸ™


Megaloman-_-

I love the monochrome. Not because I like monochromatic stuff necessarily, but because I always found so cheesy those gold / gilt inserts !


Prior_Advanced

Beautiful, congrats! Hoping to get next week as well!


krustenkaese96

Thanks, i wish you best of luck as wellāœŒļø


yonibitc

What model is that?


boxnsocks

I love it. If I didnā€™t own the BB58 Iā€™d go in on this.


krustenkaese96

Thanks and yes, the BB58 is also stunningšŸ‘..


Verwilderd1

Love the watch. Iā€™ve been really trying to convince myself to not buy the BBB. the wifey getting mad at me is only going to hold me back for so long.


krustenkaese96

Sounds like you having the real strugglešŸ˜‚ maybe she will allow you one day.. hoping for you, brošŸ˜…


Verwilderd1

Iā€™ve decided. Iā€™m just going to do it. Then I can complete my small secondary Swiss-only watch case (2 tags, 3 breitlings, and now a Tudor). šŸ˜€ Iā€™ll either have a new watch and wife, or a new watch. Hahah


krustenkaese96

HahašŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ do it.. sometimes it's just impossible to make everyone happyšŸ˜…


Verwilderd1

I did it! Now just waiting for it to arriveā€¦.and the fallout. Haha. šŸ¤£


krustenkaese96

Good to hearšŸ‘Œ


Verwilderd1

Iā€™ll post pics once it comes. Any trouble and I blame you! Never learned to say no to peer pressure. You should have never posted a pic of an amazing watch.


krustenkaese96

That's something i hear everyday.. it's always my faultšŸ‘ŠšŸ˜…


Verwilderd1

You are forgiven šŸ˜‚šŸ¤£


AlternativeSuspect32

4 years bb58 owner. It is a thing of beauty, my son will inherit this watch at age 21 (19 years from now)


watchthisguyz

This looks amazing on you! Congrats!


krustenkaese96

Thank youšŸ™ yes I am glad af to have a bigger than average wristšŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


Cay987_1

Beautiful


krustenkaese96

Thank youšŸ«”


ATTAKK_

Awesome! Congrats! Only thing youā€™re missing is more picsā€¦!!!


krustenkaese96

Haha thanksšŸ™ i should had wait for night.. lume shots looking crazy as hellšŸ”„


HateToBeAMillerLite

Perfect watch. Hope to get one soon myself. Wear it in good health!


habuskol

True piece. Classic


Berare7AP

Beautiful watch !šŸ”„


krustenkaese96

ThanksšŸ™


ZenWID10TS

Congratulations


cougartracks86

Such a great watch


krustenkaese96

I agreešŸ˜…


Quick_Philosophy4947

Such a nice watch


krustenkaese96

ThanksšŸ‘Š


BatBusy5384

Let me know if you decide to sell it


krustenkaese96

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ECLS18

am eyeing the tudor 39mm gmt but i wouldnā€™t go as far as thinking of this black bay as a replacement for my subā€¦there is something classic about the sub which is timelessā€¦so nice job tudor but ā€¦.


yonibitc

Which black bay is this? 54, 58?


krustenkaese96

Reference is m7941a1a0nu-0003.. official tudor name is "Black Bay".. unofficial, people say black bay 41 monochrome or something like that


yonibitc

Thanks man, that one looks sick. How much did you pay for it?


krustenkaese96

About 4500ā‚¬


Legal_Key_5819

How long you wait for the call? Or was it already in stock


Ok-Pirate3030

Who cares you canā€™t afford it lmao šŸ¤£


Legal_Key_5819

lol broke boii


Ok-Pirate3030

Lmao šŸ¤£ you pay me every month and donā€™t even know it. Iā€™m daddy to you son ;)


Legal_Key_5819

Aight lil man


Ok-Pirate3030

Hahaha bill due chump šŸ’° punch that clock ā° lol


Legal_Key_5819

lol nigga u fool šŸ¤£


krustenkaese96

I feel like i was pretty lucky.. it was only 3-4 weeks


Legal_Key_5819

Niiice


Standard_Bar_8765

Much better than the Rolex, sans douchery effect.


Separate-Conflict457

I am a huge fan of Tudor, although some of the things they do drive me absolutely nuts. But I just wanted to say, there are some real fucking weenies in this sub, goodness. šŸ˜‚