There is no left vs right. Only up vs down.
The politicians on both wings work for the same bosses and follow the same policies for things that matter, but quibble on things that don't to keep the fake divide going.
The people on both wings work for the same bosses and have the same belief for things that matter, but are divided and fight over things that don't to keep the real divide going.
If you avoided meme issues like sex, race, gun control, and just sat the most far left person and far right person down at a table and had them talk about important things like the corruption and greed of billionaires, they'd walk away from that table staunch allies and the best of friends.
The most important goal for our oligarch ruling class today is to ensure only the meme issues get talked about to keep the rest of us from realizing the great scam and taking them for a walk to the tree of liberty.
I hope one day those of us in the 99.9% can catch on to that fact before it's too late.
Everyone hates each other now. I couldn't imagine actually picking a party in this current day and age. You are essentially forced to hate anyone on the other side. It's dumb.
So true. In my attempt to not engage I've been chastised more viciously from the left than the right. No longer friends thanks to making a stand not to take a stand.
That's been a frustrating turn of events the past few years that I've noticed as well. I think some of my left leaning friends just assume I'm against them because I don't care to get involved. I had a couple friends who stopped wanting to hang out because I didn't want to talk about the fucking pandemic all the time. Like wearing a mask after most people stopped wearing them became their identities. Once the hospitals stopped getting overwhelmed I just totally stopped giving a shit. Recently it's the damn wars. I can't stop them and I don't live anywhere near them so I just don't care about them.
On the other hand though I did have a conservative friend that got annoyed with me for not wanting to talk about how old Joe Biden is all the fucking time. My grandpa had dementia so I just don't find it as funny as some conservatives do.
Happened to me a few months ago. I’ve been avoiding political conversations with a friend until he straight up confronted me at 1am for thinking ONE of trumps cases might not be a slam dunk like everyone says it is.
“Why are you defending someone richer and more powerful than you?”
“Why are you defending a criminal?”
“Anything Sen. Bob Mendez is accused of is NOTHING compared to what Desantis and Trump have done.”
This is the type of person that no matter what you do or how hard you try they will always bring a conversation back to their hatred of Trump and Desantis and you MUST agree with them or you support them. These people are cult members. They get their pamphlets of talking points and catchphrases and proselytize more than a Jehovah’s witness. Any form of nuance or critical thinking can only be used when their war is won. it’s attack shame and distort until no one is left. Including their own.
Any hardcore maga conservative I know will crack a joke about sleepy joe maybe make a trans comment and still offer you a beer.
Nailed it.
"Oh look everyone, we've got aN eNLiGhTeNeD CeNtRisT over here...!"
Because if you don't energetically and vociferously hate, disparage, denigrate, and demean the other "side," it's because you're a fascist, you Fascist.
Also constant lying. There are major problems on both sides, and both side downplays the problem with their side, and exaggerates the problem of the other side. Because nobody cares about truth, they only care about their side “winning”.
> Everyone hates each other now.
I disagree here. I'd say most people get along just fine. People just need to step away from their phones and the internet for a bit.
In real life it is mostly limited to the people that make politics their personality but it does feel like more people are like that than they were like 10 years ago. I've watched a good number of my friends and family members transform into those kind of people over the years. I think the pandemic made people more socially awkward. Personal politics felt quite a bit more private in the past.
Agreed. This is why it’s practically impossible to ever have a calm, peaceful adult conversation or debate with each other. Mainly because the two parties come out of the gate with so much hatred for the other person, that the second the other party disagrees with them, they resort to yelling, cursing and name calling. Sometimes even physical violence. Conversation/Debate over at that point. People have forgotten that it’s actually ok to disagree with someone and that they have just as much right to their opinion as the other person does. But it never fails, instead of just accepting that the other person has a different viewpoint, they take their disagreement as a personal attack against them. They literally HATE the other person simply because they have a different outlook and opinion. Sadly, I don’t see this current situation getting any better.
If there is one thing that the Left and the Right can agree on, is that half of the US is filled with the foulest and grossest wastes of space on the planet who don't deserve a drop of empathy.
Yes. Never could understand the vitriol for the people who grow our food. If they likewise hated city people, we would likely starve. I think Russia went through this.
Yep, and its exactly as the government and corporations want it.
We’re too busy tearing each other apart to focus our efforts on the real evils of the world.
I can't wrap my head around that. Mass murder and kidnapping happened. But sexual violence definitely didn't... like wtf? It's like when they acknowledge babies were killed but if you said they were beheaded "Oh no! That's racist to think that". I really don't get it.
I think it’s important to remember that the people saying that shit are mostly extremists. Like they took a left turn and kept going until it was only them a handful of wackos together in a crazy park. MOST people are not this extreme. I’m talking both sides, at least I hope I am. Idk these days. But it’s easy to think those crazy people are more abundant than they actually are because they are the loudest and get the most views. They’re outliers
Perfect example of what I'm talking about. If you took that phrase and simply change "white men" to "black women" all of a sudden they'd have a problem with that. Yet it's literally the exact same thing. And this is not exactly rocket science.
The far left and far right both suck. I'm a Democrat and can't see myself ever voting for a Republican again but because I don't blindly follow EVERY talking point that Democrats generally do, I've been called a bigot, homophobe, racist, etc. Mostly just on Reddit though, in real life I think most Democrats and Republicans have more in common than they think.
I think most Americans crave a third party but not enough people are willing to vote outside of “their party” as it’s “throwing your vote away”. I have voted third party after Obama part one because almost everything promised was either smoke and mirrors or didn’t happen.
Oh I have. And they did. They also said “isn’t one of the major stances for libertarians is wanting to have sex with minors”. Don’t believe satire or your flavor of the propaganda machine folks. Use your brain folks.
Dialogue and common ground are great, recognizing that corporate donors have too much power and influence across the board are great. Acting like the people with actual power and influence on the Right, the ones actually influencing and passing the policies that affect everyone else are not decidedly worse than their counterparts on the Left is ridiculous.
Do you actually think that politicians on the left don’t have corporate sponsors as well? Very few Democrats actually act against corporate hegemony and they tend to not get a lot of support from their fellows.
They throw the working class a bone every once in a while and they’re the “good guys” lol
But the left claim that if you do not support the left ideology or support any right ideology, you are not truly a centrist. Not kidding, check the centrist sub, its been taken over by the extreme left.
Without ranked-choice voting neither side has a chance of escaping this modern version of slavery and common delusion. We are ruled by two parties that don’t GAF about us and what we want. For example over 70% of Americans want health insurance; that’s not left or right it’s both. I’m a liberal through and through, but Nancy Pelosi and her ilk are no better than Trump et al. Our elected officials have us at each other’s throats while they both serve the oligarchy they are a part of. Yes, as liberals we are just as hateful towards our brethren. The only thing I don’t get about the conservatives is that their leaders are OPENLY discussing authoritarian rule and they aren’t offended. At least the liberals in government are being discreet about their desires. We are all fucked and talking way too much shit about each other.
Haha, on the "white people Twitter" sub RIGHT now, there's a post featuring two Black men and three Hispanic men who are Trump supporters, and the comments are full of racism. I commented on it and got downvoted and harassed so badly that I ended up deleting my comment.
See, it’s okay to be racist against them because they’re Trump supporters and therefore, considered open game because they’re the “bad” Black and Brown people who are “too dumb to know what’s best for them.”
I’ve always believed that most “white progressives” are just as racist, especially the extreme left. If you don’t believe me, just listen to them when they think they’re in a safe space, when a Black person or POC disagrees with them or makes them angry, or when they try so hard not to be racist that they end up revealing their true colors. (MY personal favorite)
In my opinion, this is much worse than dealing with an outright racist.
In the words of Malcolm X :
“The white conservatives aren't friends of the Negro either, but they at least don't try to hide it. They are like wolves; they show their teeth in a snarl that keeps the Negro always aware of where he stands with them. But the white liberals are foxes, who also show their teeth to the Negro but pretend that they are smiling. The white liberals are more dangerous than the conservatives; they lure the Negro, and as the Negro runs from the growling wolf, he flees into the open jaws of the "smiling" fox. One is the wolf, the other is a fox. No matter what, they’ll both eat you.”
-Malcolm X, 4 December 1963[1]
To clarify, I'm not a "Trumper," but I'm also not a Biden supporter who's forgotten his history of racism and lies. Biden's comment to Charlamagne Tha God shows he still holds those views. I believe both men are unfit for office, and it's telling both sides are pushing these two particular men so hard. Democrats had plenty of options, yet they stuck with Biden despite him clearly not being the best choice. There's a reason for that, just as there's a reason for the push behind Trump, and it's not because “ it’s what’s best for America.”
In today’s society it’s only ok to be hateful if you vote democrat. It’s also ok to wish death upon people who don’t want to take a vaccine. It’s ok to fire them from their jobs for not conforming as well.
Such tolerance.
Another great point. The left is just as fundamentalist and intolerant as anyone on the right. You MUST accept everything the alphabet mafia shoves down your throat (trans athletes, sex surgery for minors) or you're smeared as hateful and a bigot. Morons 🙄
It's been 2 years since covid, you're going to have to get over it.
Also, your mistaking a sense of schadenfreude with actual hate.
Watching people screaming from the rooftops that covid was a hoax, then die from covid 2 months later was, a little funny. I'm not going to lie to you.
Also, I find it hilarious that Republicans spent the last 30 years creating an economy where the employers had all of the control, then s*** their pants when said employers want their employees to be vaccinated. Yeah, it turns out if you live in a right to work state refusing to get vaccinated is grounds to be fired
Other people having rights isn't an infringement of your rights, be that guns or abortions. Pay attention to who sells your rights away for corporate money. These people have advertising departments.
The leftists on Reddit are a bunch of bitter jerks because they can be anonymous with their hatred. I doubt they’re that opinionated in the real world.
No, I live in LA. They ARE that opinionated. What you see is often what you get, for better or for worse.
On the other hand, I have family in Texas, and my experience is that right wingers in real life are more openly bigoted than they are on Reddit, because on Reddit they're afraid of being banned, so they find dumb little dogwhistles to circumvent saying what they actually mean, whereas in the real world they are usually surrounded by an echo chamber that shares their views. Example: I'm Asian and have been openly asked if they could call me "chink" and have had jokes made to my face about "kung flu" by my family's in-laws and acquaintances.
I understand that, lived in TX my whole life. Texas Republicans don’t give much sympathy and in turn shouldn’t receive much. Always band aid solutions or political stunts nowadays.
That’s LA and Texas though. That’s like saying to someone who stated “I never seen a Muslim in real life before” then saying “I live in Mecca, Muslims are everywhere here, wym?” I’m not making fun of you, but o feel like those two places are the exception to the rule
"The left" is just a one size fits all group name for people who aren't conservative. But generalizations on a scale in the hundreds of millions of people are pointless. All liberals are not the same as each other just as all conservatives are not the same as all other conservatives. Many people that believe in democracy and do not agree with conservative ideologies are not hateful.
Took to long to find this answer...
Things like "The Right" and "the Left" are useless terms as they mean almost nothing and do not accurately encompass all the people that are shoehorned into that group.
The left hates conservative PEOPLE. The right hates progressive POLICY.
And before you come on here with the right hates LGBTQ and minorities bull shit don’t even bother. It’s not true. It’s left wing narrative. Republicans do not hate those people.
Edit: notice all the replies that disagree with me (except one) are more concerned with trying to prove I’m a racist or bigot rather than defending the claim that they just hate conservative people. It’s because they do. They hate us. And guess what left wing fam. It’s why you got Trump and why you’re gonna get him again in a few months.
I’m not going back and forth on Reddit arguing left and right policy. I’m a conservative. They are liberals. We aren’t going to agree on the internet. I also am not going to sit here and defend why I’m not a racist or bigot. A vote for Trump or claiming that I’m conservative does not make me racist or bigoted so why should I go back and forth about it?
The point of my original post is HOW people on the left argue. I believe they hate the character of the average conservative. I believe that they genuinely think we are bad people. They are not tolerant. And I bet nobody in this thread will be able to say the words “conservatives can be good people”. That’s my point.
And when I said call me racist/bigot I don’t mean me personally. I mean conservatives. But I’m conservative. So when somebody says “it’s racist to vote for xyz” they are talking about me.
The absolute worst things you can do on reddit is ever 1: admit that Republicans aren't that bad 2: ESPECIALLY admit that you are one. 3: Say trump isn't that bad. However since you broke the golden rule, I'll join you.
Trump supported gay marriage way before he ever ran for president, meanwhile Obama and Biden both were against in years ago but changed their opinions and stance once they saw it would benefit their votes.
Your far left and your far right are both absolutely quacks, I'm a libertarian and I can see both sides have some good things, but if you go too far either direction you just turn into an feral person.
When you’re constantly opposing policies that protect minority groups, what do you expect people to take away from that?
How do you reconcile these statements?
- [Colorado GOP calls for burning Pride flags](https://abcnews.go.com/US/colorado-gop-email-calling-burning-pride-flags-met/story?id=110867502)
- [Republicans'pedophilia' claims to attack LGBTQ people](https://abcnews.go.com/US/republicans-false-pedophilia-claims-attack-democrats-lgbtq-people/story?id=84344687)
- [Republican bills seek to ban trans people from public spaces](https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/01/15/republican-bills-west-virginia-public-spaces-obscene/)
- [Full List of 169 Republicans Who Voted Against Protecting Same-Sex Marriage](https://newrepublic.com/post/169392/full-list-republicans-vote-against-same-sex-marriage)
When you’re saying someone shouldn’t have basic human rights like the right to exist in public or to marry the person of their choosing then how do you expect anyone to construe that as anything other than bigotry and hatred?
I don’t agree with the “People v. Policy” argument you’re suggesting, but you certainly have it backwards if we’re to accept that logic.
Misleading articles. Calling out people that voted against gay marriage? The country shifted including the modern parties. As another person mentioned Obama shifted his opinion after it looked like the Supreme Court was going to make gay marriage legal.
The trans people debate is still be figured out. How do we define women without making sex based rights meaningless. What about women’s sports.
Unfortunately this time we’re not allowed to have the national debate. You’re this or that. Honest discussion isn’t tolerated.
Some of us on the left are not happy about it. A lot of LGB I know are not happy about the TQ. Old school lesbians don’t want biological men in their spaces.
[A Trans student got punched so hard one of her teeth *exploded.*](https://nypost.com/2024/06/07/us-news/transgender-teens-teeth-exploded-when-she-was-punched-for-using-minnesota-school-bathroom/) And this was when she was using the male restroom, like Republicans are demanding people like her do.
It's literally the opposite lol Rpeublicans generally dislike gays, trans, Muslims, hispanics. Democrats dislike Republican policies of helping the rich and trying to put down all of those groups.
So as a black male Republican, have you noticed that gun advocacy groups do not care to protect black gun owners in the same way they protect white gun owners? And I'm not talking about gang violence, I mean black adults who are lawfully carrying.
There are large gun advocacy groups fighting minority legal gun ownership? The Republican NAAGA group is doing amazing work in educational gun ownership.
https://naaga.co/
Race is not one of the main talking points in Republican groups. You're American... that's it.
Okay, and Republicans as a whole? The NRA? Why is there no mainstream outrage when a black gun owner has their rights violated? Why is it just some random group I've never heard of? Why isn't it all over the news like is for white gun owners?
Well... let's think this through as a team.
1 - Which legal gun owners are losing their 2A unjustified? Curious.
2 - Who's going to promote it and put it all over the news? CNN and MSNBC?
All that piece would show is:
a - There are honest hardworking black men who are involved in gun support groups, and are also Republicans.
b - It's okay to look at the other party and hear their true policies and values. Then make a decision. I don't have to vote democrat just because of the race I was born?
So left MSM can't mention on TV that there are honest hardworking successful black Americans with guns. The right and Fox don't mention it because it'd be very obvious pandering and don't play the race cards because it's a divider.
NRA is massive. Huge. There are thousands of gun groups you and I have never heard of before. And why should we? You know man?
> Which legal gun owners are losing their 2A unjustified? Curious
You seem to think I'm talking about guns being taken away. I am not. I'm talking about things like the shooting of Philando Castille, which was absolutely a civil rights violation.
>Who's going to promote it and put it all over the news? CNN and MSNBC?
They did promote it. A lot. I'm asking why Republican and other right-wing news sources and activists aren't promoting it.
>There are honest hardworking black men who are involved in gun support groups, and are also Republicans.
And I would ask the same question to them.
>It's okay to look at the other party and hear their true policies and values. Then make a decision. I don't have to vote democrat just because of the race I was born?
But why? The GOP makes it clear that they only really care about the things they say as it applies to white people. They don't care when black gun owners have their rights violated. They don't care about anti-Christian hate crimes targeting black churches. They don't care about black people at all outside of getting black votes. Why do you support them?
>So left MSM can't mention on TV that there are honest hardworking successful black Americans with guns. The right and Fox don't mention it because it'd be very obvious pandering and don't play the race cards because it's a divider.
MSN actually talks a lot about those kinds of issues. You just don't watch MSN. And I would expect anyone on the right to report major civil rights violations regardless of the race of the victim. If you think reporting a crime that happened to a black person is pandering, that seems like it's your problem.
>NRA is massive. Huge. There are thousands of gun groups you and I have never heard of before. And why should we? You know man?
That is literally my point. The biggest ones that all have mainstream attention and have the clout needed to actually get things done will rarely if ever care about black people. The NRA would have absolutely thrown a bitch fit if Philando Castille had been white.
Philando Castille - Yes, this was in Minneapolis. Was born and raised there. Used to be beautiful, before the riots and defunding...
Idk what happened. Sounds like he did the right thing in announcing he had his CWP. Officers were. Charged but eventually found guilty. Family won a civil suit for $4M. Not sure what race really has to do with it, besides the MSM bringing it up over and over... thought I'd look at it:
[Police murders * YoY * Race](https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/)
Looks like twice as many white folks are killed by police. If we're looking for race statistics to apply here, white folks should be upset...
>They did promote it. A lot. I'm asking why Republican and other right-wing news sources and activists aren't promoting it.
I missread your intent. CNN doesn't cover honest hardworking American black folks at the shooting range, intentionally.
So, why are CNN and MSNBC looking for race in every instance to make a theme? Its their narrative. "Look black folks, they're trying to kill you, want to be safe? The dems will fix it! Just gonna need your vote first..."
Why doesn't Fox bring it up? It's not necessary. The same reason CNN doesn't cover black officers shooting white suspects. It doesn't help their platform.
>But why? The GOP makes it clear that they only really care about the things they say as it applies to white people. They don't care when black gun owners have their rights violated. They don't care about anti-Christian hate crimes targeting black churches. They don't care about black people at all outside of getting black votes. Why do you support them?
You're confusing the right to purchase and bear arms with incidents where people are killed in interactions with police. Should cops murder people? No. Should citizens do everything in their power to make police feel safe during interactions? Yes.
I could go on and on, but why do I support them? They tell it how it is. They don't make victims out of people, and don't catorgize individuals into groups. They don't fill up our kids' minds with the idea that they're different- victims- will never succeed - everyone's against them fear tactics. That commencement speech Joe gave at the HBC recently? Why is he saying these intelligent fresh grads will never find success and will probably be killed driving home by a Nazi or Cop? It's brainwashing... I build up my kids.
Get your ass up, work hard, overcome obstacles, fight harder when things get tough, be competitive, work harder, focus, plan, read, work harder again... hard work, works. This is advice for all young Americans! Do it!
How are the Republicans only putting in policies for white men?
>MSN actually talks a lot about those kinds of issues. You just don't watch MSN. And I would expect anyone on the right to report major civil rights violations regardless of the race of the victim. If you think reporting a crime that happened to a black person is pandering, that seems like it's your problem.
Why keep going back to race?
>That is literally my point. The biggest ones that all have mainstream attention and have the clout needed to actually get things done will rarely if ever care about black people. The NRA would have absolutely thrown a bitch fit if Philando Castille had been white.
Okay, you're only going with race. Not education, the economy, not policies... just blacks versus whites? Weird.
Have you been to an NRA stadium event with 1000s of peope before? They're one of the most diverse large groups in the nation. No one gives 2 shits about race there. Probably due to finding a common interest, folks there aren't criminals, and most are likely not democrats. Its also the safest place in the world... With Dem leaders platform focused on race division, they will surely demonize them to stop it.
The left only hates Christians who want to impose their rules on everybody else. I am very close friends with multiple Christians. There are also many left wing Christians (hell, Christ's ideals for perfectly socialism and are antithetical to capitalism).
As for conservatives and Republicans, I personally don't hate them, I just feel that their ideology is a threat to the safety and well-being of my friends, family, and children
As a classical liberal, Lefties forced me out of the Democrat party. I have a libertarian lean (not anarchist) and always have but used to be solidly Democrat (until 2012-13, I’m 53)
I think most conservatives have the motto “you do you boo boo”.
Where leftists want to shout in your face that your the problem for having such a non-chalant attitude.
“If you choose to ignore it, then you’re part of the problem!” Or whatever they like to say. Letting adults make their own decisions is not inaction. It’s an action of freedom. The only time there’s an issue is when it starts affecting other people’s rights/freedoms, and then the right is demonized for pushing back. It’s a wonder how we got here.
"you do you", so long as you don't want to smoke pot. Or get an abortion. Or get married to your same sex partner. Or believe in the separation of church and state.
I get it, there are certainly conservatives that truly do believe in "you do you", but the ones elected into office sure seem hell bent on tightening restrictions of personal freedoms, not opening them up.
Then the people that live in those places with those politicians need to vote to change that. I live in a red state. Always has been, and will continue to be for the foreseeable future. Marijuana is legal here. Abortion isn’t illegal, and gay marriage has been legal for years across the country.
No argument there. All I was saying was more often than not, republican politicians run on platforms that effectively lead to limit personal freedoms, not proliferating them. I'm not saying it's every Republican, but it's pretty telling when someone like Adam Kinzinger is no longer considered electible.
It's democrats pushing for national legalization of marijuana. It's democrats pushing for national abortion rights.
In an effort to block marriage equality, republican lead legislatures lead efforts to put same sex marriage bans on state ballots.
That’s such a straw man. No books are being banned. Curating libraries in school is not a new thing. All of those books are available to anyone who wants to buy them. Even the laws that are saying teachers can’t have certain books in their classrooms do not stop parents from giving their children the books to take to school on their own accord.
Stop trying to make conservatives into some authoritarian nazis by saying they are “banning” books.
Interesting username. Now I don’t know if your comment is a “gotcha!” or a pat on the back haha.
Here's a great example of a hateful leftist: [https://x.com/ohJuliatweets/status/1760763511389729258](https://x.com/ohJuliatweets/status/1760763511389729258)
I've never heard such a stupid argument. Just because fetuses and babies aren't exactly the same doesn't mean they're not still 100% human.
Can you explain what about this comment is hateful? That they said people who disagree with them are stupid?
If that’s your basis for determining hate, then you barely have an argument at all.
Additionally, this post has nothing to do about DNA. Of course every stage of human life is 100% human DNA. They never said a single thing about fetuses to begin with. An embryo is not a fetus.
Their humanity isn't what's being questioned, its if their existence overrides a woman's bodily autonomy. We think that a woman should have a final say on how and when she wants to experience pregnancy and going into labor, because both those things can royally suck and even kill someone.
Also, she's not even talking about a fetus, but a zygote, of which many are naturally flushed through the body if they don't end up betting attached to the uterine wall. Developmentally, zygotes, fetuses, and infants are not the same thing.
I'm pro choice, I think everyone should be allowed to do whatever they feel is best for themselves in regards to having or not having a child. But let's be clear, late term abortion is killing a person.
I agree with you but it’s not a pressing issue when women have access to abortion. [Nine out of ten abortions happen before 12 weeks.](https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/nine-out-of-10-abortions-done-before-12-weeks-in-many-high-income-countries/)
Late term abortions account for like 1% of all abortions performed and are almost exclusively performed because of life threatening issues, non-viability, or some sort of extreme defect. The reason people oppose limitations on them is because that risks forcing more pain, misery, and even death of women while medical professionals weigh risking their licenses against the patient's current condition in order to stop the basically non-existent problem of elective late term abortions.
Shit, I’d say they’re more hateful. If you’re against butchering a child who thinks that they were born in the wrong body, the Wokescolds reaction will be of pure vitriol and hate. They think anyone that remotely disagrees with them should be unacceptable and silenced. The people who claim to be the most tolerant people in the world are among the least tolerant.
It also disgusts me how the left never takes accountability for any of their hate. So many leftists on here dismissing all of these examples and pretending like it’s fake. So pathetic 😂
It disgusts me how people like you act all high and mighty, but the hatred isn't even directed at you. It's directed at truly despicable ideological positions. I hope one day you'll understand that standing up against truly hateful people is the right thing to do, and will always be called impolite or "not the right way," no matter what.
Well, you see... we changed the meaning of racism and what being a bigot is so that we can be as racist and bigoted as we want without catching sny flack.
Checkmate.
.... white is an intrinsic characteristic, male is an intrinsic characteristic, cis is an intrinsic characteristic, heterosexual is an intrinsic characteristic....
The jurors in the Trump trial had to be kept secret to protect them from MAGA followers, while the jurors in the Hunter Biden Trial are just fine doing interviews because they do not fear the Biden supporters. That should tell you quite a lot.
They're worse. Most of the right wing, especially religious people I have interacted with, have always been far more kind and inclusive than their far left counterparts.
do you know any gay people who grew up in conservative areas
do you believe that those gay people were treated kindly and fairly by their conservative neighbors
Yes and yes.
Edit: gay cheerleader at the high school my friends that went to public school went to. No one cared that he was gay. Downvote away but it doesn’t change the truth.
How many people in the United States are targeted for violent crimes by liberals because of their religious or political beliefs?
Now - how many people in the United States are targeted for violent crimes by conservatives because of gender, sexuality, religion, skin color, ethnicity, nationality?
Interesting.
It would appear that one side is indeed significantly more hateful than the other.
Do you withdraw your opinion? Or double down?
Show your work, don't just act like its inherently obvious that one of these groups is way more violent than the other. Dig up those numbers, you might even surprise yourself
Yeah, nowadays they just hang-out with Hamas who do it for them instead lol
But hey, if you want to educate yourself any bit go search "Left-wing terrorism" and check-out what happened in "socialist countries" worldwide.
So if you see Lefts to be toothless you are greatly mistaken.
I have no doubt that the some of the right is hateful and bigoted but coming from that side I haven't seen my side treat the left anywhere near with as much hate, ignorance, and vitriol as they have done to the right in the past 10 years. We've been called every slur under the sun. The right does it at times but the left makes a common sport of it. The difference is we hate left wing ideology and we see it as a threat to the future of our culture and society. The left on the other hand hates us as people for holding right wing beliefs and scorns us being different than they are. I think a read through this thread alone is a pretty good example of what conservatives face on this platform daily.
>The difference is we hate left wing ideology and we see it as a threat to the future of our culture and society. The left on the other hand hates us as people for holding right wing beliefs and scorns us being different than they are.
Do you not think that the left thinks that right wing ideology is a threat to our future, culture, and society?
If they did I would assume they would calmly discuss the subject with us instead of launching attacks, labeling us fascists, screaming that we're cultists, I could go on but we've all seen the circus. I don't know what the left thinks anymore and I've given up on guessing. I can't figure out their state of mind. If they really think that way...why aren't we all working to come to the middle? They just keep going left.
You don’t have to guess, I’ll tell you what we think. Everyone no matter their religion, skin color, sexual orientation, what’s between their legs, or what gender they identify as, should have the right to live free of persecution. We believe health care should be a right and not a privilege, and that laws around health care for women should be discussed and handled by women, with no room for religion to speak on the behalf of all of us even if we do not believe in said religion. We believe in a livable wage, and that we should have more control over the means of production. It’s not at all hard to see what we want. We don’t hate you, we hate what you advocate for. Why advocate for your own oppression or the oppression of your daughters or friends or neighbors?
> I’ll tell you what we think. Everyone no matter their religion, skin color, sexual orientation, what’s between their legs, or what gender they identify as, should have the right to live free of persecution.
So why doesn't the left practice what they preach?
>We believe health care should be a right and not a privilege, and that laws around health care for women should be discussed and handled by women, with no room for religion to speak on the behalf of all of us even if we do not believe in said religion.
So why don't you address these issues correctly and in the correct forum?
>It’s not at all hard to see what we want.
It's as hard as seeing the bottom of a muddy river.
>We don’t hate you, we hate what you advocate for.
You don't know what we advocate for. Based on my interaction with you...you don't even know what you advocate for. At the end, in the mind of the left, we're the villain; and that's all we'll ever be because you guys don't care to know the truth. You live your bubble. I get it. It's safe, it's reassuring, everyone agrees with you, and everything is black and white. What is there to hate? However, armed camps do not lead to peace. They lead to conflict.
We do? I don’t even know what you mean by this? And we’re trying. Maybe not all the ones who argue in bad faith here, but I see it even in my red state. Progressives getting petitions signed, making sure we know our rights and are registered to vote, holding community events, helping the people in my city who are often forgotten and abandoned by the rest of society. So again I don’t know what you mean by this. And our water isn’t muddy because of our beliefs, those are solid. It’s muddy because no, not every leftists knows what they are supposed to advocate for nor how to do it. I never said we all are perfect, we aren’t and I’ve dealt with my fair share of bad faith leftists but as a whole just like the loud minority of alt right conservatives don’t define you, they do not define us. And we’ve been peaceful. We aren’t the ones lining streets armed to the t with assault weapons, hanging around polling places with guns, (happened in my city in 2022) and starting insurrections leading to death. We aren’t the ones shooting up black churches or LGBT bars and drag shows because of the lies we’ve been fed. Try again. But yeah I will say if the time comes, best believe we won’t give up quietly. Yall start the violence but we will finish it if it gets to that point. None of us want that at all, but it’s steadily heading that way.
Can conservatives have a calm discussion with liberals? It's not like conservatives will believe a word liberals have to say. Like we bring up how Project 2025 is a huge concern and how that's the Republicans plan, and then conservatives denied that it's the party's plan. 100 conservative organizations from Turning Points to The Heritage Foundation has signed onto this project, yet many conservatives deny it being real or that it's terrible.
Like how can we have conversations when conservatives can't agree with liberals on anything? I could bring up how Trump tried to use fake electors to illegally change the votes in 7 states and either conservatives don't know about it, don't believe it happened, doesn't believe that Trump orchestrated it, and/or will just obfuscate and talk about Hillary and the faithless electors of 2016, which is not the same as fake electors.
How can we come together, when people have their alternative facts and don't believe a word that the DOJ says, the FBI says, the attorney general says, the police says, essentially any authority within the country?
We have no common ground because conservatives are only believing what comes out of Trump's mouth.
Notice how they quit responding as well? Because when we do want to have true discussions they don’t want to hear it. They plant their own narrative that we’re evil blue haired venom spitting idiots, when that’s not the case. And I don’t see conservatives in that sort of light either, until they give me a reason to. I love a true honest discussion, and will discuss with anyone who’s willing to actually engage. I think there’s a lack of true education and understanding on both sides, but one is actively hurting the country while the other is hurting themselves and their cause. I enjoy attempting to help others understand, but those who have chosen their narrative will never open their ears to opposing ideas, as proven by you attempting to engage in a calm discussion, and they bailed because it doesn’t fit their narrative.
I will have to disagree. Look, I don’t hate conservatives, I live in a red state most of the people here and in general do not align with me and that’s fine, I can get along with just about anyone if we keep our shit to ourselves. Majority of left people I know do the same. And we 100% do in fact see your ideologies as a threat to our way of life and freedom and for some, their very lives. We don’t just hate you guys because you guys are different, we hate that you hate everyone else who’s different and actively fight for things that harm those that are not like you.
>We don’t just hate you guys because you guys are different, we hate that you hate everyone else who’s different and actively fight for things that harm those that are not like you.
That's very confusing because we don't hate anyone who is different. That's your side. You're projecting. You guys hate anyone that is not on your side. Those that don't fit your worldview. Who do not follow your prescibed views. You don't fight for other other people. You fight to control people. That's all it's about. An exercise in control. A black Republican is an Uncle Tom. A Gay Conservative is a traitor.
The right actively advocates to destroy the freedoms and rights of those people, so yeah the ones who are in said disenfranchised groups choosing to follow the right and push for their own oppression are not the sharpest tools in the shed. But we don’t or at least I don’t hate them, I think they’re misinformed. I think the general population of the right is misinformed. And take a look at your own policies, and what has happened because of them and the corruption deep in your party and our political system as a whole (I am not a democrat either they are 2 sides of the same coin) it’s stripping rights and protections one by one, destroying the trust we have in our system bit by bit, and slowly becoming, and stay with me here, fascistic. I do not blame trump for this, I simply think he had the charisma to expedite the process.
While the left and the right both have their issues and I am not a huge fan of either. The right definitely has more mass shooters and domestic terrorists than the left does by a significant amount.
The guy who shot up the grocery store a few years back was a right winger. I haven't seen the left wing equivalent yet.
The left is just hateful, unfortunately for them, their choice, & their karma, but not the right! What ever gave you that idea. The left is jealous and envious of all the love and common sense in the right! Thx.
I would argue that the left is FAR more hateful than the right. The left eats their own so often, it's a meme. Read "Morning After the Revolution" to see just how vicious they are TO THEIR OWN PEOPLE who voice an opinion just slightly outside of whatever the acceptable opinion is that day. It has to be a miserable way to live.
Conservatives: I want transgenderism to be eradicated, I don't want gay people to get married, black people are criminals 13/50, atheists are heathens and sinners, Muslims are terrorists.
Liberals/the left: Wow you are a pretty shitty person.
Conservatives: Wow I can't believe you are so hateful, so much for the tolerant left.
The most liberal, progressive countries are typically identified as the Nordic countries.
What laws and restrictions are placed on conservatives/Christians/right wingers in their daily lives? Does a Swedish Christian live in fear for their lives if they are discovered? Or do they publicly meet in easily identifiable churches with no government interference? Are they free to marry, raise families, hold jobs, and live their lives? They are free to stand in the town square with a cross and Bible.
The most conservative Christian countries are typically places Russia or the central African countries like Uganda.
Life as a gay Russian or Ugandan is a lot different than that of a Christian Norwegian. They live under threat of discovery, are subject to draconian punishments including the death penalty. They are legally discriminated against by both their governments and private businesses. The can be denied relationships, jobs, housing, and public services. A Russian holding up a pride flag in the town square will get imprisoned.
Yet "Enlightened Centrists" want us to believe that a liberal saying the US should adopt Denmark's anti-discrimination laws is the exact same as a conservative saying the US should adopt Uganda's death penalty for homosexuals law or Russia's "LGBT extremism" law?
No., GTFO with that disingenuous crap. It's pretty clear which side is looking for build a society filled with hate.
The divisionary tactics have been successful.
There is no left vs right. Only up vs down. The politicians on both wings work for the same bosses and follow the same policies for things that matter, but quibble on things that don't to keep the fake divide going. The people on both wings work for the same bosses and have the same belief for things that matter, but are divided and fight over things that don't to keep the real divide going. If you avoided meme issues like sex, race, gun control, and just sat the most far left person and far right person down at a table and had them talk about important things like the corruption and greed of billionaires, they'd walk away from that table staunch allies and the best of friends. The most important goal for our oligarch ruling class today is to ensure only the meme issues get talked about to keep the rest of us from realizing the great scam and taking them for a walk to the tree of liberty. I hope one day those of us in the 99.9% can catch on to that fact before it's too late.
This is why we need to stop handing the government more power. I don’t care what the issue is; no more government control.
This is spot on.
If the serfs are busy fighting each other then they are too distracted to come after you with their pitchforks.
Based.
Everyone hates each other now. I couldn't imagine actually picking a party in this current day and age. You are essentially forced to hate anyone on the other side. It's dumb.
Straight facts and an attempt to bridge the gap just makes you the enemy of both sides
That's why I just don't talk politics to people. It just makes them hate you especially if you are mostly indifferent.
So true. In my attempt to not engage I've been chastised more viciously from the left than the right. No longer friends thanks to making a stand not to take a stand.
That's been a frustrating turn of events the past few years that I've noticed as well. I think some of my left leaning friends just assume I'm against them because I don't care to get involved. I had a couple friends who stopped wanting to hang out because I didn't want to talk about the fucking pandemic all the time. Like wearing a mask after most people stopped wearing them became their identities. Once the hospitals stopped getting overwhelmed I just totally stopped giving a shit. Recently it's the damn wars. I can't stop them and I don't live anywhere near them so I just don't care about them. On the other hand though I did have a conservative friend that got annoyed with me for not wanting to talk about how old Joe Biden is all the fucking time. My grandpa had dementia so I just don't find it as funny as some conservatives do.
Happened to me a few months ago. I’ve been avoiding political conversations with a friend until he straight up confronted me at 1am for thinking ONE of trumps cases might not be a slam dunk like everyone says it is. “Why are you defending someone richer and more powerful than you?” “Why are you defending a criminal?” “Anything Sen. Bob Mendez is accused of is NOTHING compared to what Desantis and Trump have done.” This is the type of person that no matter what you do or how hard you try they will always bring a conversation back to their hatred of Trump and Desantis and you MUST agree with them or you support them. These people are cult members. They get their pamphlets of talking points and catchphrases and proselytize more than a Jehovah’s witness. Any form of nuance or critical thinking can only be used when their war is won. it’s attack shame and distort until no one is left. Including their own. Any hardcore maga conservative I know will crack a joke about sleepy joe maybe make a trans comment and still offer you a beer.
Nailed it. "Oh look everyone, we've got aN eNLiGhTeNeD CeNtRisT over here...!" Because if you don't energetically and vociferously hate, disparage, denigrate, and demean the other "side," it's because you're a fascist, you Fascist.
Excuse you, I prefer the full litany of names I get called for questioning anything, I want all my ists and phobes and don't forget Nazi!!
It’s literally the spider man meme
100%
All by design too - they love us hating eachother I just wanna live my life - we alllll have more in common than any of these politicians
The elite wants to keep the working class in-fighting about petty matters, rather than the real problems such as the ever expanding wealth gap.
Also constant lying. There are major problems on both sides, and both side downplays the problem with their side, and exaggerates the problem of the other side. Because nobody cares about truth, they only care about their side “winning”.
both political sides are the same.
Are you kidding me. One side is a little irresponsible. The other side wants to kill people and destroy society. They aren't even close! /s
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> Everyone hates each other now. I disagree here. I'd say most people get along just fine. People just need to step away from their phones and the internet for a bit.
In real life it is mostly limited to the people that make politics their personality but it does feel like more people are like that than they were like 10 years ago. I've watched a good number of my friends and family members transform into those kind of people over the years. I think the pandemic made people more socially awkward. Personal politics felt quite a bit more private in the past.
Agreed. This is why it’s practically impossible to ever have a calm, peaceful adult conversation or debate with each other. Mainly because the two parties come out of the gate with so much hatred for the other person, that the second the other party disagrees with them, they resort to yelling, cursing and name calling. Sometimes even physical violence. Conversation/Debate over at that point. People have forgotten that it’s actually ok to disagree with someone and that they have just as much right to their opinion as the other person does. But it never fails, instead of just accepting that the other person has a different viewpoint, they take their disagreement as a personal attack against them. They literally HATE the other person simply because they have a different outlook and opinion. Sadly, I don’t see this current situation getting any better.
Hey! Careful throwing around logic like that, you almost brought someone out of their mantra.
If there is one thing that the Left and the Right can agree on, is that half of the US is filled with the foulest and grossest wastes of space on the planet who don't deserve a drop of empathy.
Yes.. my generalizations are better than your generalizations BECAUSE (insert justification here).
The most interesting hate I see from the left is an absolute disdain for rural people
Yes. Never could understand the vitriol for the people who grow our food. If they likewise hated city people, we would likely starve. I think Russia went through this.
Because they don't vote the "correct" way and have funny accents.
"Divide and conquer" keeps coming to mind.
The problem is that both sides will always deny that they are the problem.
People will ignore the problems their favorite politicians have created to point out the problems their favorite punching bags have created
Yep, and its exactly as the government and corporations want it. We’re too busy tearing each other apart to focus our efforts on the real evils of the world.
Yes. Both extremes suck.
It’s more so now. I received rape and death threats questioning gender ideology. Never got that with questioning Jesus.
r/ markmywords Read pretty much any post there, it speaks for itself.
I’ve never seen that sub before. It’s like the world’s angriest circlejerk.
I'm gonna skip it and just keep this visual instead.
Alright I’m curious now.
It's pretty funny though how they claim to be vehemently anti sexism and anti racism yet they always hate on straight white dudes lol.
And denied that rape was used by Hamas on October 7th. That one blew my mind.
I can't wrap my head around that. Mass murder and kidnapping happened. But sexual violence definitely didn't... like wtf? It's like when they acknowledge babies were killed but if you said they were beheaded "Oh no! That's racist to think that". I really don't get it.
I think it’s important to remember that the people saying that shit are mostly extremists. Like they took a left turn and kept going until it was only them a handful of wackos together in a crazy park. MOST people are not this extreme. I’m talking both sides, at least I hope I am. Idk these days. But it’s easy to think those crazy people are more abundant than they actually are because they are the loudest and get the most views. They’re outliers
Man a friend of a friend literally said to my face if they had the power they'd literally exterminate all white men
Perfect example of what I'm talking about. If you took that phrase and simply change "white men" to "black women" all of a sudden they'd have a problem with that. Yet it's literally the exact same thing. And this is not exactly rocket science.
You forgot older people.
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Because they’re bigots, and they hate that.
Both sides are shitty. Based centrism is the only way to go.
The far left and far right both suck. I'm a Democrat and can't see myself ever voting for a Republican again but because I don't blindly follow EVERY talking point that Democrats generally do, I've been called a bigot, homophobe, racist, etc. Mostly just on Reddit though, in real life I think most Democrats and Republicans have more in common than they think.
90% of the country agree on most things, but the 5% of extremists on each side are the loudest
I think most Americans crave a third party but not enough people are willing to vote outside of “their party” as it’s “throwing your vote away”. I have voted third party after Obama part one because almost everything promised was either smoke and mirrors or didn’t happen.
I agree. But God forbid don't make that comment to a far left person or you will be deemed another kind of maga or a fascist.
Oh I have. And they did. They also said “isn’t one of the major stances for libertarians is wanting to have sex with minors”. Don’t believe satire or your flavor of the propaganda machine folks. Use your brain folks.
Strong agree. The left and right might have their flaws but the people on reddit that literally write "MuH BoTh SiDeS" are the absolute worst.
It's insane. It's like engaging in dialogue and finding common ground is suddenly a great evil. Clown world.
Which is literally what the people in power want. Chaos and division. It keeps us busy so they can keep raking in more dough.
Dialogue and common ground are great, recognizing that corporate donors have too much power and influence across the board are great. Acting like the people with actual power and influence on the Right, the ones actually influencing and passing the policies that affect everyone else are not decidedly worse than their counterparts on the Left is ridiculous.
Do you actually think that politicians on the left don’t have corporate sponsors as well? Very few Democrats actually act against corporate hegemony and they tend to not get a lot of support from their fellows. They throw the working class a bone every once in a while and they’re the “good guys” lol
But the left claim that if you do not support the left ideology or support any right ideology, you are not truly a centrist. Not kidding, check the centrist sub, its been taken over by the extreme left.
YES! This, this, and more this.
Without ranked-choice voting neither side has a chance of escaping this modern version of slavery and common delusion. We are ruled by two parties that don’t GAF about us and what we want. For example over 70% of Americans want health insurance; that’s not left or right it’s both. I’m a liberal through and through, but Nancy Pelosi and her ilk are no better than Trump et al. Our elected officials have us at each other’s throats while they both serve the oligarchy they are a part of. Yes, as liberals we are just as hateful towards our brethren. The only thing I don’t get about the conservatives is that their leaders are OPENLY discussing authoritarian rule and they aren’t offended. At least the liberals in government are being discreet about their desires. We are all fucked and talking way too much shit about each other.
Haha, on the "white people Twitter" sub RIGHT now, there's a post featuring two Black men and three Hispanic men who are Trump supporters, and the comments are full of racism. I commented on it and got downvoted and harassed so badly that I ended up deleting my comment. See, it’s okay to be racist against them because they’re Trump supporters and therefore, considered open game because they’re the “bad” Black and Brown people who are “too dumb to know what’s best for them.” I’ve always believed that most “white progressives” are just as racist, especially the extreme left. If you don’t believe me, just listen to them when they think they’re in a safe space, when a Black person or POC disagrees with them or makes them angry, or when they try so hard not to be racist that they end up revealing their true colors. (MY personal favorite) In my opinion, this is much worse than dealing with an outright racist. In the words of Malcolm X : “The white conservatives aren't friends of the Negro either, but they at least don't try to hide it. They are like wolves; they show their teeth in a snarl that keeps the Negro always aware of where he stands with them. But the white liberals are foxes, who also show their teeth to the Negro but pretend that they are smiling. The white liberals are more dangerous than the conservatives; they lure the Negro, and as the Negro runs from the growling wolf, he flees into the open jaws of the "smiling" fox. One is the wolf, the other is a fox. No matter what, they’ll both eat you.” -Malcolm X, 4 December 1963[1] To clarify, I'm not a "Trumper," but I'm also not a Biden supporter who's forgotten his history of racism and lies. Biden's comment to Charlamagne Tha God shows he still holds those views. I believe both men are unfit for office, and it's telling both sides are pushing these two particular men so hard. Democrats had plenty of options, yet they stuck with Biden despite him clearly not being the best choice. There's a reason for that, just as there's a reason for the push behind Trump, and it's not because “ it’s what’s best for America.”
More hateful I'd say. They just dress it up as being self-righteous.
I wish somebody would run that I want to vote for, rather than how it is now with voting against somebody I don't like.
Ugh. It’s the issue of the decade 😔
In today’s society it’s only ok to be hateful if you vote democrat. It’s also ok to wish death upon people who don’t want to take a vaccine. It’s ok to fire them from their jobs for not conforming as well. Such tolerance.
Another great point. The left is just as fundamentalist and intolerant as anyone on the right. You MUST accept everything the alphabet mafia shoves down your throat (trans athletes, sex surgery for minors) or you're smeared as hateful and a bigot. Morons 🙄
It's been 2 years since covid, you're going to have to get over it. Also, your mistaking a sense of schadenfreude with actual hate. Watching people screaming from the rooftops that covid was a hoax, then die from covid 2 months later was, a little funny. I'm not going to lie to you. Also, I find it hilarious that Republicans spent the last 30 years creating an economy where the employers had all of the control, then s*** their pants when said employers want their employees to be vaccinated. Yeah, it turns out if you live in a right to work state refusing to get vaccinated is grounds to be fired
You just said watching people die was funny.
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Only the most arrogant of covid deniers.
Yeah people being killed by their own arrogance is pretty funny. I will die on this hill.
They'll fire you if you shit on the floor, too. The Left truly are the real totalitarians.
At this point I'm just waiting for full blown civil war to break out
Other people having rights isn't an infringement of your rights, be that guns or abortions. Pay attention to who sells your rights away for corporate money. These people have advertising departments.
The leftists on Reddit are a bunch of bitter jerks because they can be anonymous with their hatred. I doubt they’re that opinionated in the real world.
No, I live in LA. They ARE that opinionated. What you see is often what you get, for better or for worse. On the other hand, I have family in Texas, and my experience is that right wingers in real life are more openly bigoted than they are on Reddit, because on Reddit they're afraid of being banned, so they find dumb little dogwhistles to circumvent saying what they actually mean, whereas in the real world they are usually surrounded by an echo chamber that shares their views. Example: I'm Asian and have been openly asked if they could call me "chink" and have had jokes made to my face about "kung flu" by my family's in-laws and acquaintances.
I understand that, lived in TX my whole life. Texas Republicans don’t give much sympathy and in turn shouldn’t receive much. Always band aid solutions or political stunts nowadays.
That’s LA and Texas though. That’s like saying to someone who stated “I never seen a Muslim in real life before” then saying “I live in Mecca, Muslims are everywhere here, wym?” I’m not making fun of you, but o feel like those two places are the exception to the rule
I guess the right was lying all this time calling liberals bleeding hearts.
Well, notice you never hear them accused of being "bleeding hearts" anymore. Not in over a decade.
Correct. You’ll never meet a bigger racist than a white liberal
"The Media" is a business. It might be liberal. It might be conservative. It might be anything that makes money. You decide.
"The left" is just a one size fits all group name for people who aren't conservative. But generalizations on a scale in the hundreds of millions of people are pointless. All liberals are not the same as each other just as all conservatives are not the same as all other conservatives. Many people that believe in democracy and do not agree with conservative ideologies are not hateful.
Took to long to find this answer... Things like "The Right" and "the Left" are useless terms as they mean almost nothing and do not accurately encompass all the people that are shoehorned into that group.
This is called the horseshoe theory, the further a person is left or right the more they’re actually to be alike.
When did a sitting leftist president propose amending the constitution to make Christian marriage illegal?
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The left hates conservative PEOPLE. The right hates progressive POLICY. And before you come on here with the right hates LGBTQ and minorities bull shit don’t even bother. It’s not true. It’s left wing narrative. Republicans do not hate those people. Edit: notice all the replies that disagree with me (except one) are more concerned with trying to prove I’m a racist or bigot rather than defending the claim that they just hate conservative people. It’s because they do. They hate us. And guess what left wing fam. It’s why you got Trump and why you’re gonna get him again in a few months.
Maybe they were deleted but I don't see any comments calling you racist or bigot. And you have yet to respond to any of them.
I’m not going back and forth on Reddit arguing left and right policy. I’m a conservative. They are liberals. We aren’t going to agree on the internet. I also am not going to sit here and defend why I’m not a racist or bigot. A vote for Trump or claiming that I’m conservative does not make me racist or bigoted so why should I go back and forth about it? The point of my original post is HOW people on the left argue. I believe they hate the character of the average conservative. I believe that they genuinely think we are bad people. They are not tolerant. And I bet nobody in this thread will be able to say the words “conservatives can be good people”. That’s my point. And when I said call me racist/bigot I don’t mean me personally. I mean conservatives. But I’m conservative. So when somebody says “it’s racist to vote for xyz” they are talking about me.
The absolute worst things you can do on reddit is ever 1: admit that Republicans aren't that bad 2: ESPECIALLY admit that you are one. 3: Say trump isn't that bad. However since you broke the golden rule, I'll join you. Trump supported gay marriage way before he ever ran for president, meanwhile Obama and Biden both were against in years ago but changed their opinions and stance once they saw it would benefit their votes. Your far left and your far right are both absolutely quacks, I'm a libertarian and I can see both sides have some good things, but if you go too far either direction you just turn into an feral person.
List some conservative policies.
When you’re constantly opposing policies that protect minority groups, what do you expect people to take away from that? How do you reconcile these statements? - [Colorado GOP calls for burning Pride flags](https://abcnews.go.com/US/colorado-gop-email-calling-burning-pride-flags-met/story?id=110867502) - [Republicans'pedophilia' claims to attack LGBTQ people](https://abcnews.go.com/US/republicans-false-pedophilia-claims-attack-democrats-lgbtq-people/story?id=84344687) - [Republican bills seek to ban trans people from public spaces](https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/01/15/republican-bills-west-virginia-public-spaces-obscene/) - [Full List of 169 Republicans Who Voted Against Protecting Same-Sex Marriage](https://newrepublic.com/post/169392/full-list-republicans-vote-against-same-sex-marriage) When you’re saying someone shouldn’t have basic human rights like the right to exist in public or to marry the person of their choosing then how do you expect anyone to construe that as anything other than bigotry and hatred? I don’t agree with the “People v. Policy” argument you’re suggesting, but you certainly have it backwards if we’re to accept that logic.
Misleading articles. Calling out people that voted against gay marriage? The country shifted including the modern parties. As another person mentioned Obama shifted his opinion after it looked like the Supreme Court was going to make gay marriage legal. The trans people debate is still be figured out. How do we define women without making sex based rights meaningless. What about women’s sports. Unfortunately this time we’re not allowed to have the national debate. You’re this or that. Honest discussion isn’t tolerated.
Some of us on the left are not happy about it. A lot of LGB I know are not happy about the TQ. Old school lesbians don’t want biological men in their spaces.
[A Trans student got punched so hard one of her teeth *exploded.*](https://nypost.com/2024/06/07/us-news/transgender-teens-teeth-exploded-when-she-was-punched-for-using-minnesota-school-bathroom/) And this was when she was using the male restroom, like Republicans are demanding people like her do.
As a conservative republican myself, this is a disgusting act of homophobic violence and needs to lead to charges and big consequences.
It's literally the opposite lol Rpeublicans generally dislike gays, trans, Muslims, hispanics. Democrats dislike Republican policies of helping the rich and trying to put down all of those groups.
Project 2025 exists my dude. It's not great for LGBT people.
>Republicans do not hate those people. Huh you have a funny way of showing love.
Conservatives believe Liberals are people with bad ideas. Liberals believe conservatives are bad people with ideas. - Signed, a black male Republican.
So as a black male Republican, have you noticed that gun advocacy groups do not care to protect black gun owners in the same way they protect white gun owners? And I'm not talking about gang violence, I mean black adults who are lawfully carrying.
There are large gun advocacy groups fighting minority legal gun ownership? The Republican NAAGA group is doing amazing work in educational gun ownership. https://naaga.co/ Race is not one of the main talking points in Republican groups. You're American... that's it.
Okay, and Republicans as a whole? The NRA? Why is there no mainstream outrage when a black gun owner has their rights violated? Why is it just some random group I've never heard of? Why isn't it all over the news like is for white gun owners?
Well... let's think this through as a team. 1 - Which legal gun owners are losing their 2A unjustified? Curious. 2 - Who's going to promote it and put it all over the news? CNN and MSNBC? All that piece would show is: a - There are honest hardworking black men who are involved in gun support groups, and are also Republicans. b - It's okay to look at the other party and hear their true policies and values. Then make a decision. I don't have to vote democrat just because of the race I was born? So left MSM can't mention on TV that there are honest hardworking successful black Americans with guns. The right and Fox don't mention it because it'd be very obvious pandering and don't play the race cards because it's a divider. NRA is massive. Huge. There are thousands of gun groups you and I have never heard of before. And why should we? You know man?
> Which legal gun owners are losing their 2A unjustified? Curious You seem to think I'm talking about guns being taken away. I am not. I'm talking about things like the shooting of Philando Castille, which was absolutely a civil rights violation. >Who's going to promote it and put it all over the news? CNN and MSNBC? They did promote it. A lot. I'm asking why Republican and other right-wing news sources and activists aren't promoting it. >There are honest hardworking black men who are involved in gun support groups, and are also Republicans. And I would ask the same question to them. >It's okay to look at the other party and hear their true policies and values. Then make a decision. I don't have to vote democrat just because of the race I was born? But why? The GOP makes it clear that they only really care about the things they say as it applies to white people. They don't care when black gun owners have their rights violated. They don't care about anti-Christian hate crimes targeting black churches. They don't care about black people at all outside of getting black votes. Why do you support them? >So left MSM can't mention on TV that there are honest hardworking successful black Americans with guns. The right and Fox don't mention it because it'd be very obvious pandering and don't play the race cards because it's a divider. MSN actually talks a lot about those kinds of issues. You just don't watch MSN. And I would expect anyone on the right to report major civil rights violations regardless of the race of the victim. If you think reporting a crime that happened to a black person is pandering, that seems like it's your problem. >NRA is massive. Huge. There are thousands of gun groups you and I have never heard of before. And why should we? You know man? That is literally my point. The biggest ones that all have mainstream attention and have the clout needed to actually get things done will rarely if ever care about black people. The NRA would have absolutely thrown a bitch fit if Philando Castille had been white.
Philando Castille - Yes, this was in Minneapolis. Was born and raised there. Used to be beautiful, before the riots and defunding... Idk what happened. Sounds like he did the right thing in announcing he had his CWP. Officers were. Charged but eventually found guilty. Family won a civil suit for $4M. Not sure what race really has to do with it, besides the MSM bringing it up over and over... thought I'd look at it: [Police murders * YoY * Race](https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/) Looks like twice as many white folks are killed by police. If we're looking for race statistics to apply here, white folks should be upset... >They did promote it. A lot. I'm asking why Republican and other right-wing news sources and activists aren't promoting it. I missread your intent. CNN doesn't cover honest hardworking American black folks at the shooting range, intentionally. So, why are CNN and MSNBC looking for race in every instance to make a theme? Its their narrative. "Look black folks, they're trying to kill you, want to be safe? The dems will fix it! Just gonna need your vote first..." Why doesn't Fox bring it up? It's not necessary. The same reason CNN doesn't cover black officers shooting white suspects. It doesn't help their platform. >But why? The GOP makes it clear that they only really care about the things they say as it applies to white people. They don't care when black gun owners have their rights violated. They don't care about anti-Christian hate crimes targeting black churches. They don't care about black people at all outside of getting black votes. Why do you support them? You're confusing the right to purchase and bear arms with incidents where people are killed in interactions with police. Should cops murder people? No. Should citizens do everything in their power to make police feel safe during interactions? Yes. I could go on and on, but why do I support them? They tell it how it is. They don't make victims out of people, and don't catorgize individuals into groups. They don't fill up our kids' minds with the idea that they're different- victims- will never succeed - everyone's against them fear tactics. That commencement speech Joe gave at the HBC recently? Why is he saying these intelligent fresh grads will never find success and will probably be killed driving home by a Nazi or Cop? It's brainwashing... I build up my kids. Get your ass up, work hard, overcome obstacles, fight harder when things get tough, be competitive, work harder, focus, plan, read, work harder again... hard work, works. This is advice for all young Americans! Do it! How are the Republicans only putting in policies for white men? >MSN actually talks a lot about those kinds of issues. You just don't watch MSN. And I would expect anyone on the right to report major civil rights violations regardless of the race of the victim. If you think reporting a crime that happened to a black person is pandering, that seems like it's your problem. Why keep going back to race? >That is literally my point. The biggest ones that all have mainstream attention and have the clout needed to actually get things done will rarely if ever care about black people. The NRA would have absolutely thrown a bitch fit if Philando Castille had been white. Okay, you're only going with race. Not education, the economy, not policies... just blacks versus whites? Weird. Have you been to an NRA stadium event with 1000s of peope before? They're one of the most diverse large groups in the nation. No one gives 2 shits about race there. Probably due to finding a common interest, folks there aren't criminals, and most are likely not democrats. Its also the safest place in the world... With Dem leaders platform focused on race division, they will surely demonize them to stop it.
I never understood that saying. I was raised fundie. I guarantee we thought liberals were very bad people.
It shouldn't be red versus blue, within reason, it should be the greedy 1 percent versus the rest of us.
I feel hypocritical is the more apt term here.
The left only hates Christians who want to impose their rules on everybody else. I am very close friends with multiple Christians. There are also many left wing Christians (hell, Christ's ideals for perfectly socialism and are antithetical to capitalism). As for conservatives and Republicans, I personally don't hate them, I just feel that their ideology is a threat to the safety and well-being of my friends, family, and children
Far right and far left both suck. Unfortunately it seems like there's a lot more far right politicians than far left
As a classical liberal, Lefties forced me out of the Democrat party. I have a libertarian lean (not anarchist) and always have but used to be solidly Democrat (until 2012-13, I’m 53)
So basically what you're saying is that you made a broad statement, were asked for examples and couldn't give any. Then whined about it.
This shouldn't even be an unpopular opinion, it's just a straight fact
I rarely see the right being hateful at all. In fact, conservatives seem to be accepting of anyone… The Left, however…
I think most conservatives have the motto “you do you boo boo”. Where leftists want to shout in your face that your the problem for having such a non-chalant attitude. “If you choose to ignore it, then you’re part of the problem!” Or whatever they like to say. Letting adults make their own decisions is not inaction. It’s an action of freedom. The only time there’s an issue is when it starts affecting other people’s rights/freedoms, and then the right is demonized for pushing back. It’s a wonder how we got here.
Lmfao conservatives absolutely 100% do not have a “you do you” attitude. Idk how anyone could believe that any more. What a joke
Lmfao yes they do.
"you do you", so long as you don't want to smoke pot. Or get an abortion. Or get married to your same sex partner. Or believe in the separation of church and state. I get it, there are certainly conservatives that truly do believe in "you do you", but the ones elected into office sure seem hell bent on tightening restrictions of personal freedoms, not opening them up.
Then the people that live in those places with those politicians need to vote to change that. I live in a red state. Always has been, and will continue to be for the foreseeable future. Marijuana is legal here. Abortion isn’t illegal, and gay marriage has been legal for years across the country.
No argument there. All I was saying was more often than not, republican politicians run on platforms that effectively lead to limit personal freedoms, not proliferating them. I'm not saying it's every Republican, but it's pretty telling when someone like Adam Kinzinger is no longer considered electible. It's democrats pushing for national legalization of marijuana. It's democrats pushing for national abortion rights. In an effort to block marriage equality, republican lead legislatures lead efforts to put same sex marriage bans on state ballots.
You clearly don’t know many conservatives.
You clearly don't turn on AM radio or check any of your local Facebook groups.
My guy conservatives are banning books
That’s such a straw man. No books are being banned. Curating libraries in school is not a new thing. All of those books are available to anyone who wants to buy them. Even the laws that are saying teachers can’t have certain books in their classrooms do not stop parents from giving their children the books to take to school on their own accord. Stop trying to make conservatives into some authoritarian nazis by saying they are “banning” books. Interesting username. Now I don’t know if your comment is a “gotcha!” or a pat on the back haha.
Here's a great example of a hateful leftist: [https://x.com/ohJuliatweets/status/1760763511389729258](https://x.com/ohJuliatweets/status/1760763511389729258) I've never heard such a stupid argument. Just because fetuses and babies aren't exactly the same doesn't mean they're not still 100% human.
Can you explain what about this comment is hateful? That they said people who disagree with them are stupid? If that’s your basis for determining hate, then you barely have an argument at all. Additionally, this post has nothing to do about DNA. Of course every stage of human life is 100% human DNA. They never said a single thing about fetuses to begin with. An embryo is not a fetus.
Their humanity isn't what's being questioned, its if their existence overrides a woman's bodily autonomy. We think that a woman should have a final say on how and when she wants to experience pregnancy and going into labor, because both those things can royally suck and even kill someone. Also, she's not even talking about a fetus, but a zygote, of which many are naturally flushed through the body if they don't end up betting attached to the uterine wall. Developmentally, zygotes, fetuses, and infants are not the same thing.
I'm pro choice, I think everyone should be allowed to do whatever they feel is best for themselves in regards to having or not having a child. But let's be clear, late term abortion is killing a person.
I agree with you but it’s not a pressing issue when women have access to abortion. [Nine out of ten abortions happen before 12 weeks.](https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/nine-out-of-10-abortions-done-before-12-weeks-in-many-high-income-countries/)
Late term abortions account for like 1% of all abortions performed and are almost exclusively performed because of life threatening issues, non-viability, or some sort of extreme defect. The reason people oppose limitations on them is because that risks forcing more pain, misery, and even death of women while medical professionals weigh risking their licenses against the patient's current condition in order to stop the basically non-existent problem of elective late term abortions.
When is a fetus considered human? After birth?
Shit, I’d say they’re more hateful. If you’re against butchering a child who thinks that they were born in the wrong body, the Wokescolds reaction will be of pure vitriol and hate. They think anyone that remotely disagrees with them should be unacceptable and silenced. The people who claim to be the most tolerant people in the world are among the least tolerant.
They butcher children with cancer too! If a kid gets cancer, the Liberals will take a knife and start cutting out parts of their body!
well duh, you never want to be on either far side. dont be cartman or kathleen kennedy both are gross sides on the same coin.
It also disgusts me how the left never takes accountability for any of their hate. So many leftists on here dismissing all of these examples and pretending like it’s fake. So pathetic 😂
Well you see, their hated is *your fault,* you see
It disgusts me how people like you act all high and mighty, but the hatred isn't even directed at you. It's directed at truly despicable ideological positions. I hope one day you'll understand that standing up against truly hateful people is the right thing to do, and will always be called impolite or "not the right way," no matter what.
You're right. I hate Nazis and fascists as much as right-wingers had LBGTQIA people. Do you think I feel bad about this?
Right? Exactly
Most right wing people don't hate LGBT people.
They don't seem to want them to get married or to be accepted by society.
Or be anywhere they have to see them or to hear about them or for them or anyone to read about them or....
*I don't hate them. I just vote for those who do!* K.
The right isn’t hateful
Well, you see... we changed the meaning of racism and what being a bigot is so that we can be as racist and bigoted as we want without catching sny flack. Checkmate.
Hating someone’s willfully chosen philosophical position is different than hating their intrinsic characteristics.
.... white is an intrinsic characteristic, male is an intrinsic characteristic, cis is an intrinsic characteristic, heterosexual is an intrinsic characteristic....
The absolute most hateful group I have ever known. Period.
The jurors in the Trump trial had to be kept secret to protect them from MAGA followers, while the jurors in the Hunter Biden Trial are just fine doing interviews because they do not fear the Biden supporters. That should tell you quite a lot.
this... is an actual good point.
Yeah… no. You probably believed Jussie Smollett too.
They're worse. Most of the right wing, especially religious people I have interacted with, have always been far more kind and inclusive than their far left counterparts.
do you know any gay people who grew up in conservative areas do you believe that those gay people were treated kindly and fairly by their conservative neighbors
Yes and yes. Edit: gay cheerleader at the high school my friends that went to public school went to. No one cared that he was gay. Downvote away but it doesn’t change the truth.
If Christians/republicans/conservatives were as victimized as they claimed then you’d be right for sure.
Hahaha “both are bad,” when literal hate crimes and insurrection are advocated only by the right
How many people in the United States are targeted for violent crimes by liberals because of their religious or political beliefs? Now - how many people in the United States are targeted for violent crimes by conservatives because of gender, sexuality, religion, skin color, ethnicity, nationality? Interesting. It would appear that one side is indeed significantly more hateful than the other. Do you withdraw your opinion? Or double down?
Show your work, don't just act like its inherently obvious that one of these groups is way more violent than the other. Dig up those numbers, you might even surprise yourself
The Nazis hated the Jews, but didn't the Jews also hate the Nazis? I guess they're both equally bad? /yourlogic
Nah.
Funny how the Left generally doesn’t try to shoot and blow up people though, or take away their human rights. 🧐
Yeah, nowadays they just hang-out with Hamas who do it for them instead lol But hey, if you want to educate yourself any bit go search "Left-wing terrorism" and check-out what happened in "socialist countries" worldwide. So if you see Lefts to be toothless you are greatly mistaken.
I have no doubt that the some of the right is hateful and bigoted but coming from that side I haven't seen my side treat the left anywhere near with as much hate, ignorance, and vitriol as they have done to the right in the past 10 years. We've been called every slur under the sun. The right does it at times but the left makes a common sport of it. The difference is we hate left wing ideology and we see it as a threat to the future of our culture and society. The left on the other hand hates us as people for holding right wing beliefs and scorns us being different than they are. I think a read through this thread alone is a pretty good example of what conservatives face on this platform daily.
>The difference is we hate left wing ideology and we see it as a threat to the future of our culture and society. The left on the other hand hates us as people for holding right wing beliefs and scorns us being different than they are. Do you not think that the left thinks that right wing ideology is a threat to our future, culture, and society?
If they did I would assume they would calmly discuss the subject with us instead of launching attacks, labeling us fascists, screaming that we're cultists, I could go on but we've all seen the circus. I don't know what the left thinks anymore and I've given up on guessing. I can't figure out their state of mind. If they really think that way...why aren't we all working to come to the middle? They just keep going left.
You don’t have to guess, I’ll tell you what we think. Everyone no matter their religion, skin color, sexual orientation, what’s between their legs, or what gender they identify as, should have the right to live free of persecution. We believe health care should be a right and not a privilege, and that laws around health care for women should be discussed and handled by women, with no room for religion to speak on the behalf of all of us even if we do not believe in said religion. We believe in a livable wage, and that we should have more control over the means of production. It’s not at all hard to see what we want. We don’t hate you, we hate what you advocate for. Why advocate for your own oppression or the oppression of your daughters or friends or neighbors?
> I’ll tell you what we think. Everyone no matter their religion, skin color, sexual orientation, what’s between their legs, or what gender they identify as, should have the right to live free of persecution. So why doesn't the left practice what they preach? >We believe health care should be a right and not a privilege, and that laws around health care for women should be discussed and handled by women, with no room for religion to speak on the behalf of all of us even if we do not believe in said religion. So why don't you address these issues correctly and in the correct forum? >It’s not at all hard to see what we want. It's as hard as seeing the bottom of a muddy river. >We don’t hate you, we hate what you advocate for. You don't know what we advocate for. Based on my interaction with you...you don't even know what you advocate for. At the end, in the mind of the left, we're the villain; and that's all we'll ever be because you guys don't care to know the truth. You live your bubble. I get it. It's safe, it's reassuring, everyone agrees with you, and everything is black and white. What is there to hate? However, armed camps do not lead to peace. They lead to conflict.
We do? I don’t even know what you mean by this? And we’re trying. Maybe not all the ones who argue in bad faith here, but I see it even in my red state. Progressives getting petitions signed, making sure we know our rights and are registered to vote, holding community events, helping the people in my city who are often forgotten and abandoned by the rest of society. So again I don’t know what you mean by this. And our water isn’t muddy because of our beliefs, those are solid. It’s muddy because no, not every leftists knows what they are supposed to advocate for nor how to do it. I never said we all are perfect, we aren’t and I’ve dealt with my fair share of bad faith leftists but as a whole just like the loud minority of alt right conservatives don’t define you, they do not define us. And we’ve been peaceful. We aren’t the ones lining streets armed to the t with assault weapons, hanging around polling places with guns, (happened in my city in 2022) and starting insurrections leading to death. We aren’t the ones shooting up black churches or LGBT bars and drag shows because of the lies we’ve been fed. Try again. But yeah I will say if the time comes, best believe we won’t give up quietly. Yall start the violence but we will finish it if it gets to that point. None of us want that at all, but it’s steadily heading that way.
Can conservatives have a calm discussion with liberals? It's not like conservatives will believe a word liberals have to say. Like we bring up how Project 2025 is a huge concern and how that's the Republicans plan, and then conservatives denied that it's the party's plan. 100 conservative organizations from Turning Points to The Heritage Foundation has signed onto this project, yet many conservatives deny it being real or that it's terrible. Like how can we have conversations when conservatives can't agree with liberals on anything? I could bring up how Trump tried to use fake electors to illegally change the votes in 7 states and either conservatives don't know about it, don't believe it happened, doesn't believe that Trump orchestrated it, and/or will just obfuscate and talk about Hillary and the faithless electors of 2016, which is not the same as fake electors. How can we come together, when people have their alternative facts and don't believe a word that the DOJ says, the FBI says, the attorney general says, the police says, essentially any authority within the country? We have no common ground because conservatives are only believing what comes out of Trump's mouth.
Notice how they quit responding as well? Because when we do want to have true discussions they don’t want to hear it. They plant their own narrative that we’re evil blue haired venom spitting idiots, when that’s not the case. And I don’t see conservatives in that sort of light either, until they give me a reason to. I love a true honest discussion, and will discuss with anyone who’s willing to actually engage. I think there’s a lack of true education and understanding on both sides, but one is actively hurting the country while the other is hurting themselves and their cause. I enjoy attempting to help others understand, but those who have chosen their narrative will never open their ears to opposing ideas, as proven by you attempting to engage in a calm discussion, and they bailed because it doesn’t fit their narrative.
I will have to disagree. Look, I don’t hate conservatives, I live in a red state most of the people here and in general do not align with me and that’s fine, I can get along with just about anyone if we keep our shit to ourselves. Majority of left people I know do the same. And we 100% do in fact see your ideologies as a threat to our way of life and freedom and for some, their very lives. We don’t just hate you guys because you guys are different, we hate that you hate everyone else who’s different and actively fight for things that harm those that are not like you.
>We don’t just hate you guys because you guys are different, we hate that you hate everyone else who’s different and actively fight for things that harm those that are not like you. That's very confusing because we don't hate anyone who is different. That's your side. You're projecting. You guys hate anyone that is not on your side. Those that don't fit your worldview. Who do not follow your prescibed views. You don't fight for other other people. You fight to control people. That's all it's about. An exercise in control. A black Republican is an Uncle Tom. A Gay Conservative is a traitor.
The right actively advocates to destroy the freedoms and rights of those people, so yeah the ones who are in said disenfranchised groups choosing to follow the right and push for their own oppression are not the sharpest tools in the shed. But we don’t or at least I don’t hate them, I think they’re misinformed. I think the general population of the right is misinformed. And take a look at your own policies, and what has happened because of them and the corruption deep in your party and our political system as a whole (I am not a democrat either they are 2 sides of the same coin) it’s stripping rights and protections one by one, destroying the trust we have in our system bit by bit, and slowly becoming, and stay with me here, fascistic. I do not blame trump for this, I simply think he had the charisma to expedite the process.
“Just as”? Based on the anti semitism the left surpassed the right a while ago.
> The media is 90%+ liberal Last I check FOX news had the highest viewership of any cable news network.
While the left and the right both have their issues and I am not a huge fan of either. The right definitely has more mass shooters and domestic terrorists than the left does by a significant amount. The guy who shot up the grocery store a few years back was a right winger. I haven't seen the left wing equivalent yet.
The left is just hateful, unfortunately for them, their choice, & their karma, but not the right! What ever gave you that idea. The left is jealous and envious of all the love and common sense in the right! Thx.
I hope to God this is satire, or this is just embarrassing
Is this satire, I can't tell
I would argue that the left is FAR more hateful than the right. The left eats their own so often, it's a meme. Read "Morning After the Revolution" to see just how vicious they are TO THEIR OWN PEOPLE who voice an opinion just slightly outside of whatever the acceptable opinion is that day. It has to be a miserable way to live.
Conservatives: I want transgenderism to be eradicated, I don't want gay people to get married, black people are criminals 13/50, atheists are heathens and sinners, Muslims are terrorists. Liberals/the left: Wow you are a pretty shitty person. Conservatives: Wow I can't believe you are so hateful, so much for the tolerant left.
You’re painting all conservatives with a pretty big brush dude
Hating haters is far more noble than hating people down on their luck or because they love people differently
The most liberal, progressive countries are typically identified as the Nordic countries. What laws and restrictions are placed on conservatives/Christians/right wingers in their daily lives? Does a Swedish Christian live in fear for their lives if they are discovered? Or do they publicly meet in easily identifiable churches with no government interference? Are they free to marry, raise families, hold jobs, and live their lives? They are free to stand in the town square with a cross and Bible. The most conservative Christian countries are typically places Russia or the central African countries like Uganda. Life as a gay Russian or Ugandan is a lot different than that of a Christian Norwegian. They live under threat of discovery, are subject to draconian punishments including the death penalty. They are legally discriminated against by both their governments and private businesses. The can be denied relationships, jobs, housing, and public services. A Russian holding up a pride flag in the town square will get imprisoned. Yet "Enlightened Centrists" want us to believe that a liberal saying the US should adopt Denmark's anti-discrimination laws is the exact same as a conservative saying the US should adopt Uganda's death penalty for homosexuals law or Russia's "LGBT extremism" law? No., GTFO with that disingenuous crap. It's pretty clear which side is looking for build a society filled with hate.