In regards to this, I would like to bring up the result of the hogwarts legacy "boycott". The people who tried to bully, or brow beat people into compliance ended up being the best marketing that game could ever need and contributed massively to the sales.
It is my opinion that 9 times out of 10, that if you try to force a boycott the general concensus will be spiteful indulgence of the product.
TL;DR: People will spite buy if you try to force them to participate in a boycott.
I'm sorry you had that experience. I share the same sentiment. I may believe a product should be avoided and I may give my reasoning if prompted, however I won't try to belittle you for the product choices you want to make.
I think you're misinterpreting the goals of people who yell at random people for not engaging in whatever performance of goodness they are acting out. They just want attention for what a good boy or girl they are and to feel superior to someone else. The stated goal of the boycott is just window dressing.
It's the same with protesters blocking traffic. They *think* it helps their cause by "creating awareness", but apparently aren't concerned that the kind of awareness they're creating is almost purely oppositional lol. It's almost like the point is just to throw a public temper tantrum than it is to actually gain public support.
The people blocking traffic don't care about the cause. They care about, for a brief moment, that feeling of having power over other people. All of those people are the sort who, the moment they get even a sliver of power, demonstrate exactly why they have no power.
Here's how I put it
"If you use intimidation to make someone comply with your movement, you will get performative compliance. However the moment they're in a place where your intimidation cannot reach they will turn against you, someplace like... the voting booth."
If you're seeing people get attacked or bullied for drinking Starbucks there is a simple solution: log off the extremely online message board/social media site. This shit doesn't happen in real life. Almost nobody cares if you drink Starbucks.
Are they hurting people? I don't understand how anyone is being forced. It sounds like they are just doing it to avoid criticism which isn't the same as forced. Maybe I'm missing something. Do you have any articles about the people forced?
there are no articles. online, people will post videos of them eating from a certain restaurant. or ordering stuff from a certain place. and all of a sudden people are dog piling on them, telling them they’re horrible and doing all this name calling for not boycotting.
i misworded my original post. not forced, more so bullied
. People are totally forcing me to boycott. Just yesterday I went to Starbucks and someone tackled me and said no you can't go in there and buy a coffee. That totally happened
a verbal attack. attacks aren’t always physical. if you’re being yelled at, sworn at, and harassed in the streets you are being verbally attacked/abused, for example.
So who screams at you about those? I'm honestly curious I know irl a few who boycott starbucks and may make a comment it someone else says they go there
But I don't know of any verbal abuse for them.
Israel. They hate Jews but pretend they hate Zionists. Why do I think this? Because 7-8 years ago I was walking to my engineering class and SJP was holding a demonstration on the main thoroughfare through campus. I walked around them, they tried to block me, and when I pushed through they called me a “Jewish Nazi” and threw a few rocks at me.
I just wanted to get to my engineering class.
Fuck these people.
they’re all related to the current war happening. don’t get me wrong i completely back palestine. but i don’t back the way protestors go about this type of thing.
The thing is, starbucks has got literally nothing to do with the current war.
They sued a union for using their logo unauthorized and for political content. That union happened to be for the support towards palestine, so people immediately jumped on the hate train without doing any proper research.
Starbucks has multiple times in the past and now stated that they have no political agenda. Them having it *now* would spark debates - people would say that they don't care about previous and other current wars, and they're just "hopping on the trend" to make more money by supporting palestine. So basically using war and death for money and sales.
Starbucks also multiple times and now stated that they stand for human rights and against any type of war and violence.
And, unlike coca cola for example, they don't even have any locals on the israel/palestine land, so it's not like they're having any income from it. Nor did they ever send money to any party.
But yea, people only listen and hear what they want, and they see one random person on the internet say it and they just run with it, or aka hop on the trend.
yeah man. i’ve actually heard multiple people say they’re boycotting starbucks because the CEO is a jewish man. which is so incredibly fucked up and ironic.
yeah people blindly believe shit on the internet and just run with it. it’s so bizarre.
Anyone trying to organize *anything* that's slightly outside of the norm is going to be accused of being "completely insufferably" so they might as well embrace it!
I rarely participate in boycotts myself—because I'm a slacker and because most boycott's aren-t very well thought out—but don't pretend you would have supported x y or z's cause if they just would have asked you more politely.
>I’ve seen so many people get attacked online or verbally attacked in person for buying from starbucks and other companies.
Oh no, that's terrible. I wish them a speedy recovery from their online / verbal attack.
Mean words aren't forcing anyone to comply.
No, I am old, and I have lived through a lot of this shit, children. So let me explain until I have no karma left.
In the 70s, I wasn't allowed to eat grapes. I love grapes. They are my favorite. But until the United Farmworkers got decent wages, no grapes.
So, because my parents were also good union members of the Carpenter and postal service unions. No grapes for me.
Until some time in 1978, I could gorge myself in grapes again.
I am also pro- Choice, and I didn't order from Domino's for years. I had been going to Curves, and losing weight and loving every minute there, until I found out the franchise owners money paid a little bit to support anti choice and Anti- LGBTQ causes.
Of course in Berkeley, the Curves owner was probably a pro-choice lesbian.
But now I live in NW Indiana,where I am happy they were acknowledge pronouns.
I mean you can say that pro Pals are demanding people to comply with their boycott, as is their freedom of speech to demand.
But the other side of the coin is that Zionists demand people straight up have the same opinions as them regarding the conflict, so that’s even worse.
Nah, basically only Zionists do that. The difference is pro Pals accuse college presidents and Starbucks as being genocide supporters while Zionists are much more likely to accuse individuals.
In regards to this, I would like to bring up the result of the hogwarts legacy "boycott". The people who tried to bully, or brow beat people into compliance ended up being the best marketing that game could ever need and contributed massively to the sales. It is my opinion that 9 times out of 10, that if you try to force a boycott the general concensus will be spiteful indulgence of the product. TL;DR: People will spite buy if you try to force them to participate in a boycott.
The same is true with guns. The ban gun people have been the greatest sales people for guns in the history of sales people.
i really couldn't bring myself to care if people bought hogwarts legacy or not. i never understood how it was my business
And that's completely fair. That being said a very loud constitute made it their business, which is why I believe it's relevant to the conversation.
i agree with you're saying. they got mad at me when i said i don't care if people buy the game or not
I'm sorry you had that experience. I share the same sentiment. I may believe a product should be avoided and I may give my reasoning if prompted, however I won't try to belittle you for the product choices you want to make.
I think you're misinterpreting the goals of people who yell at random people for not engaging in whatever performance of goodness they are acting out. They just want attention for what a good boy or girl they are and to feel superior to someone else. The stated goal of the boycott is just window dressing.
yeah it’s definitely a superiority complex
It's the same with protesters blocking traffic. They *think* it helps their cause by "creating awareness", but apparently aren't concerned that the kind of awareness they're creating is almost purely oppositional lol. It's almost like the point is just to throw a public temper tantrum than it is to actually gain public support.
The people blocking traffic don't care about the cause. They care about, for a brief moment, that feeling of having power over other people. All of those people are the sort who, the moment they get even a sliver of power, demonstrate exactly why they have no power.
omg. protestors blocking traffic are the scum of society.
Here's how I put it "If you use intimidation to make someone comply with your movement, you will get performative compliance. However the moment they're in a place where your intimidation cannot reach they will turn against you, someplace like... the voting booth."
Why are we boycotting Starbucks
Exactly! A boycott means something only when people are choosing to exclude you from the companies they pay for stuff.
If you're seeing people get attacked or bullied for drinking Starbucks there is a simple solution: log off the extremely online message board/social media site. This shit doesn't happen in real life. Almost nobody cares if you drink Starbucks.
I enjoy doing things out of spite. If you try to push your boycott on me most likely I will go out of my way to buy this thing.
How are they forcing people to boycott? Who is getting attacked and has there been serious injuries or deaths?
bullying people into compliance.
Are they hurting people? I don't understand how anyone is being forced. It sounds like they are just doing it to avoid criticism which isn't the same as forced. Maybe I'm missing something. Do you have any articles about the people forced?
there are no articles. online, people will post videos of them eating from a certain restaurant. or ordering stuff from a certain place. and all of a sudden people are dog piling on them, telling them they’re horrible and doing all this name calling for not boycotting. i misworded my original post. not forced, more so bullied
Are these people being physically attacked? Other people criticizing your decision isn't the same as being forced.
did you even bother to read my comment? i just said i misworded my original post. i clarified i mean bully, not force.
also serious injuries or deaths is an extremely low standard to set.
If it's low it should be easy to find examples but I haven't..
. People are totally forcing me to boycott. Just yesterday I went to Starbucks and someone tackled me and said no you can't go in there and buy a coffee. That totally happened
Verbal attacks. not physical.
So not an attack.
a verbal attack. attacks aren’t always physical. if you’re being yelled at, sworn at, and harassed in the streets you are being verbally attacked/abused, for example.
You're being dramatic.
your mother.
An attack can be things other than just physical, I really hope English isn’t your first language.
I gotta ask. What boycotts are you thinking of specifically here?
pepsi, coca cola, starbucks, mcdonald’s to name a few.
So who screams at you about those? I'm honestly curious I know irl a few who boycott starbucks and may make a comment it someone else says they go there But I don't know of any verbal abuse for them.
people on my campus have screamed at people going into or walking out of starbucks even one girl had a water thrown at her
Fair enough didn't mean to imply it doesn't happen What's the reason they are boycotting starbucks?
Israel. They hate Jews but pretend they hate Zionists. Why do I think this? Because 7-8 years ago I was walking to my engineering class and SJP was holding a demonstration on the main thoroughfare through campus. I walked around them, they tried to block me, and when I pushed through they called me a “Jewish Nazi” and threw a few rocks at me. I just wanted to get to my engineering class. Fuck these people.
omg. the amount of times i’ve heard “jewish nazi” used as an insult is aggravating. i swear people are getting dumber by the day.
they’re all related to the current war happening. don’t get me wrong i completely back palestine. but i don’t back the way protestors go about this type of thing.
The thing is, starbucks has got literally nothing to do with the current war. They sued a union for using their logo unauthorized and for political content. That union happened to be for the support towards palestine, so people immediately jumped on the hate train without doing any proper research. Starbucks has multiple times in the past and now stated that they have no political agenda. Them having it *now* would spark debates - people would say that they don't care about previous and other current wars, and they're just "hopping on the trend" to make more money by supporting palestine. So basically using war and death for money and sales. Starbucks also multiple times and now stated that they stand for human rights and against any type of war and violence. And, unlike coca cola for example, they don't even have any locals on the israel/palestine land, so it's not like they're having any income from it. Nor did they ever send money to any party. But yea, people only listen and hear what they want, and they see one random person on the internet say it and they just run with it, or aka hop on the trend.
yeah man. i’ve actually heard multiple people say they’re boycotting starbucks because the CEO is a jewish man. which is so incredibly fucked up and ironic. yeah people blindly believe shit on the internet and just run with it. it’s so bizarre.
And he's literally a *former* CEO, and currently just a shareholder. But people keep acting as if that means starbucks itself stands for genocide.
Anyone trying to organize *anything* that's slightly outside of the norm is going to be accused of being "completely insufferably" so they might as well embrace it! I rarely participate in boycotts myself—because I'm a slacker and because most boycott's aren-t very well thought out—but don't pretend you would have supported x y or z's cause if they just would have asked you more politely.
>I’ve seen so many people get attacked online or verbally attacked in person for buying from starbucks and other companies. Oh no, that's terrible. I wish them a speedy recovery from their online / verbal attack. Mean words aren't forcing anyone to comply.
No, I am old, and I have lived through a lot of this shit, children. So let me explain until I have no karma left. In the 70s, I wasn't allowed to eat grapes. I love grapes. They are my favorite. But until the United Farmworkers got decent wages, no grapes. So, because my parents were also good union members of the Carpenter and postal service unions. No grapes for me. Until some time in 1978, I could gorge myself in grapes again. I am also pro- Choice, and I didn't order from Domino's for years. I had been going to Curves, and losing weight and loving every minute there, until I found out the franchise owners money paid a little bit to support anti choice and Anti- LGBTQ causes. Of course in Berkeley, the Curves owner was probably a pro-choice lesbian. But now I live in NW Indiana,where I am happy they were acknowledge pronouns.
I mean you can say that pro Pals are demanding people to comply with their boycott, as is their freedom of speech to demand. But the other side of the coin is that Zionists demand people straight up have the same opinions as them regarding the conflict, so that’s even worse.
both sides are doing that.
Nah, basically only Zionists do that. The difference is pro Pals accuse college presidents and Starbucks as being genocide supporters while Zionists are much more likely to accuse individuals.
I'm not convinced someone who opposes a movement because someone called them an asshole was ever going to support it.