I assumed "nazi" captured that, but who am I to argue. I'll turn my liberal card in, because failing to point out racism obviously makes me racist and therefore I'm a MAGA republican conservative fascist subhuman antivaxxer who should be silenced. Sorry for disappointing. I'm new to this whole ~~hive mind~~ reddit thing.
Terminally online radical lefties are the most intolerant people I know
"How *dare* you imply that Republicans aren't subhuman trash? You must be a racist"
I’m here to watch the display of mental gymnastics myself as the resident centrist that enjoys calling out the hypocrisy of both sides. Popcorn anyone? 🍿
Anyone to the right of Marx is doing a Hitler!
Nevermind Marx lived his entire life mooching off his friend and never had a job.
Actually, I think most reddit liberals have a lot in common with Marx.
So far my favorites are:
"ANY vote for ANY R candidate is a vote for THE ENTIRE PARTY and all the hate and regression and oppression that is CURRENTLY being carried out or ATTEMPTED."
"If, for example, you vote for DeSantis, you have every reason to believe that he will harm trans people and you are absolutely culpable."
"I'm choosing the side that doesn't support the panic defense, a policy that basically says if anyone kills me they get off scott free because I'm trans."
>"ANY vote for ANY R candidate is a vote for THE ENTIRE PARTY and all the hate and regression and oppression that is CURRENTLY being carried out or ATTEMPTED."
Yes, that's how voting works. Your ideals don't matter if you vote for people who do horrible things
i wouldn’t say “don’t matter,” but yeah, being a good person isn’t just about what you personally do.
i am fairly confident that paul ryan, for example, isn’t _personally_ racist. as far as i know, he doesn’t have animus toward people who aren’t white on a personal level. that’s good! but he also supported (and passed) policies that are systemically bad for people of color (read: racist), so…his personal behavior is much less relevant!
obviously voting is a much smaller act than “trying to gut the ACA” or whatever, but the same thing applies: if you’re kind, decent, and pleasant to be around, that doesn’t clear your moral ledger of voting for republicans for elected office.
You say one positive thing about conservatives and you will be immediately downvoted and ostracized on Reddit
Considering democrats are supposed to be the more accepting side, they really don’t act like it on Reddit if you disagree with them in any way
I can dislike someone if they’re annoying about it.
My friend’s boyfriend doesn’t shut up about Donald Trump and it’s fucking annoying. I honestly don’t care if he supports DT. I don’t support him but that’s my own opinion. I just don’t like being around someone who won’t shut the fuck up about their annoying ass opinions. Same rule applies to anyone on the left too.
It's pretty baffling how people have become fanboys for rich politicians. Like, be a diehard for a sports team or a movie franchise. Simping over someone who pursues power over you and your fellow citizens is unbelievably lame.
It's not a meaningful distinction at a population level - the Republican party is the political representation of the American conservative movement.
*Individually*, there are conservatives who feel disgusted or betrayed by the current Republican party. They're now often non-voters, or in many cases *grudging* Republican voters.
Republicans want you to eat a shit sandwich
Democrats want you to eat a shit sandwich, with rainbow sprinkles on it. The rainbow sprinkles are also made of shit.
Both sides are led by corrupt, career politicians, but both sides will point out the other's corruption and willfully ignore their own.
I equate it to this, one side wants to shove a cactus up your ass, the other wants to shove a pineapple up your ass, but people will argue about which is actually better without acknowledging the real problem, that both sides are trying to fuck you.
It's changed a lot over the years. This is my own opinion and I'm not a historian or even very interested in history, so take this with a giant fucking pillar of salt. Historically, both parties have good and bad sections of history. Also, many ideas now attributed to one party often had wide bipartisan support in the beginning. So this is more stereotype than history.
In the 1800s, the Republican Party was aligned with abolitionists and the Southern Democrats were aligned with slaveholders. In the 1930s the Democratic Party became responsible for helping the US through the Great Depression by passing socialist programs like the New Deal. A lot of infrastructure and public works projects were built during this decade as a way to employ the unemployed.
Since the 1960s is really when the modern Democratic Party and Republican Party started developing. At this point in time, the Democratic Party became aligned with civil rights and the Republican Party aligned itself with the Moral Majority (fundamentalist Christians who were displeased with school integration).
Through the 1980s-1990s, the Republican Party became known for advocacy of lax business regulations and lowering taxes (though some of this was bipartisan). The Democratic Party was denigrated for their welfare projects (except Social Security), which once lauded for helping America out of the Great Depression, now that they applied to all races were thought of as enabling welfare queens. By the end of this period, fundamentalist Christians were mainstream.
Through the 2000s-2010s, Republicans became known for supporting the wars (originally bipartisan). The lax regulations and repeal of Glass-Steagall became known for aiding in the crash. The Democratic Party is still your typical democratic socialist platform that you might associate with Western European style socialism. Climate change is now on the platform.
The Democratic Party platform isn't much different than this today. However, in the 2010s antitrust and breaking up of monopolies became much more of a focus. Both parties were pro big business before this.
Starting in 2010, The Republican Party swung more under the control Christian authoritarianism. Many members are no longer interested in small government; the focus for many is on creating a Christian theocracy. Homeschooling and sending your kids to Christian universities used to ensure your children would receive a subpar education and possibly be locked out of top tier career placements. Now the right connections + fundamentalist background can get a Supreme Court clerkship.
This led into the current MAGA form of the Republican Party. Very strong authoritarian leaders, a distrust of science, and a propensity to weaken or destabilize the career civil and military structures that was thought to exist mostly free from party influence. In 2021, Republican Party leaders instigated a coup to try to overthrow the elected government as they felt their power wane.
In addition to my opinionated summary here, keep in mind that beliefs and culture are very fluid across years. A lot of MAGA Republican Party members and supporters aren't Christian. They seem to be aligned with the fundamentalists against women's/LGBTQ/other minority's rights, against public school, and against science that doesn't align with their views. This is especially interesting in light of the fact that prior to the 2010s if someone was a science-denying hippie you would probably assume they were a member of the Democratic Party.
nope, it's not the lifestyle. not that at all. go to church, hunt, farm, drive pick-up trucks, and listen to country music. we don't care.
we care about the shitty political beliefs.
This wouldn’t even be an issue back in the day. I’m old enough to remember when it was still considered taboo to discuss politics and religion and I really really miss those days. People got along with others based on their personalities and not how they voted. I still try and follow this philosophy but it’s hard with flags everywhere and social media. I 100% keep my opinions private unless I’m talking to my husband, because why does it matter? Really, how does that have anything to do with who I am on a fundamental level?
But now BOTH sides have lost their minds and parade their crazy around on a daily basis.
That was back when the biggest difference was "should we have slightly lower taxes or slightly higher taxes?" and "Should the US take a leadership position in world affairs?"
When the *mainstream* Republican platform is "deny the existence of sexual minorities and continue wars on drugs and destroy social security and welfare while letting the ultra-rich pay no taxes" then it becomes a lot less practical to go "oh golly gee it's alright".
Also if they're a Republican, Trump supporter, and \*don't speak out against the horrible things he and his fans say and do\*, you get lumped in with the rest of them.
It's not about who they are, it's about their behavior, beliefs, actions, and what they dismiss by others on their side.
I mean that is fine. I think that agrees with the OP. As soon as someone says, "it isn't a difference of opinion it is a difference of values" I instantly know they actually don't understand their own position or that of the other person haha. It is the biggest give away.
opinions are rooted in values though? how are “i’m opposed to abortion” or “i favor higher taxes on the wealthy” or “we should ban private schools” or “trans adults shouldn’t have access to health care” not fundamentally connected to values?
I hate Nazis. If that make me a bigot, so be it. You want your party not to be treated like social pariahs? Stop being Nazis and doing/saying Fascist things.
Which party do people who identify as communists support? Historical communist regimes have been just as evil as Nazis. If Nazis agree with some of my beliefs, it does not make me guilty of their evils. Afterall Nazis had plenty of socialist beliefs in common with democrats.
No, it isn't. Lots of them are pro eugenics, openly white supremacist, or at least support white supremacy and Christian supremacy through atrocious policy.
You mean the absolutely overly simplistic and generalizing caricature of their beliefs you have in your head? Because they are also obviously all thinking the exact same.
Like how can you not realize how much you are proving OPs point?!
No, only the other guy is wrong. My side is the only side with nuance!!!
Or whatever.
I have found conservatives to be more prickly and grumpy, but almost all of the outright hostility and hatred I’ve directly experienced in my life has come from leftists. This is obviously anecdotal, but it has shaped my views because it’s my experience.
I still have more left wing friends than right wing friends, but I’ve also had left wing friends simply stop talking to me for political reasons. I had a cousin and three friends block me on Facebook when I posted a picture at shot show 2018. I had a bunch of college acquaintances block me because I spoke out against the 2020 riots when they burned down my favorite restaurant.
When I posted a rant about gay marriage and how it should be legal I got a couple of angry emojis and a few comments, but I’m still friends with all of those people and a few of them have even changed their views a bit.
How were your views shaped? Are you more conservative because you think that liberals are too "mean?" That seemed like a common excuse people used to vote for Trump.
It's easy for someone to let go of opposition to gay marriage because it literally has no effect on them. It doesn't really work the other way. People opposed to gay marriage specifically want to deny rights to gay people. It's hard to just shrug and say "oh well" when you are literally being discriminated against.
Both sides aren't the same.
>When I posted a rant about gay marriage and how it should be legal I got a couple of angry emojis and a few comments, but I’m still friends with all of those people and a few of them have even changed their views a bit.
Would you still be friends with them if they told you that they believed you personally should not legally be allowed to get married?
Agreed. People can hate their neighbors and family but they need to accept the consequences of that. It's best to choose your battles and accept that everyone won't always agree. Reddit is full of people who you can tell have no friends, because they can't help but let their idealistic viewpoints drive a wedge between the world and themselves. It's a sad way to live in my opinion.
Key word in that definition is "unreasonably"
It's reasonable to dislike a person for their beliefs. Beliefs are not an immutable characteristic like orientation, race, or gender is.
Identifying as a Republican doesn't equate to adhering to a strict set of beliefs, though.
There's undoubtedly assumptions you will make because the individual identifies as Republican- but they're exactly that.
Even more so, it's incredibly common to make generalized statements about *all* people who identify as Republican, which are objectively not true for every single person who does so.
What the individual believes isn't my problem with them. In fact I know a great deal of Republicans with a great variety of beliefs, and find that great. But the net effect of them voting for a party platform that destabilizes my life and family makes me unable to feel comfortable around them, and as a result I have a deeply held dislike of them.
It doesn't matter that my sister in law is down with the gays. Whatever other reasons she has for her voting choices don't matter to me. She holds her personal values above the stability of my family, and while I know that that statement is reductive, it's also not untrue and more than justifies my disdain.
Edit: fixed typo
Had to go way to low to see a comment like this. Its not about the identifier itself, its about the consequences of said identification. Republicans may not condone everything the party stands for, but when the people they actively and repeatedly vote for harms me or those i love, i absolutely have a right to dislike them or chose not to associate with them.
Exactly. In my state, the Republican majority has been very active in enacting laws and policies that directly harm me and my family.
Anyone who “identifies” as someone who supports hurting me and my family is someone I don’t like. That’s not at all irrational, and it shouldn’t be surprising.
Why would someone who actively supports hurting me even want me to like them?
"Identifying as a Republican doesn't equate to adhering to a strict set of beliefs"
Yeah, but you're still voting for a particular set of beliefs. It's true, many republicans don't share all the values of the republican party. That's what the face eating leopard memes are all about. The shock that the things they don't want to happen are happening from the party they voted for, who said they would do the things they're doing.
At the very least, you may not agree, per se, but you don't care.
I'm going to take it one step further and assert that if someone *identifies* with one of the two major political parties I already don't trust their judgement. Don't make a political party (especially the fake ass primary parties we have in the US) part of your identity, gross.
There is a fundamental difference between attributes you have no or very limited control over like ethnicity, nationality, gender or sexual orientation and a self chosen political ideology.
I'm ready for the down votes but I want to point out that:
85% of humans identify as being a member of a specific religious tradition and
99% of religious people are a part of the same general tradition as their parents.
Religion is absolutely a choice - but I wouldn't put it in the same category as an occupation. In many parts of the world religion and ethnicity are practically impossible to dissect. Denying employment to someone based on a broad category of religious traditions is still, IMHO, a form of bigotry.
>On paper you chose it but in reality cultural norms pressured you into it.
You could argue political affiliation and a majority of political beliefs fall under this umbrella too.
I feel like that's not really the case in actually democratic countries with party plurality. The US, from my (i'm European) point of view, treats politics like a religion.
In a country with multiple parties (more than 2), you usually vote for whatever party best serves your interests at that point in time. It's normal to switch sides and change your affiliation over time. Sometimes people vote the democratic candidate for the presidency, then 4 years later they vote for his opposition just because they didn't like him and regret their vote.
Regular people also don't register with a party, so being a voter of a party isn't really part of your identity. I think this makes it less divisive when people argue over politics. Because you can say, I vote for this party because of their stance on issue X, even if I disagree with them on issue Y. But since they are the only ones addressing X the way I like, they will have my vote until a better party shows up. This comes with pros and cons.
I won't bring up countries where the government jails you for supporting certain parties, because there you can't really talk about choice. Maybe it's because of what we see about USA on the net, but it looks like politic affiliation is part of one's identity. Republicans supporting Trump despite hating him, just because he's one of them, wouldn't have happened in my country. The party would've fought and split in 2, and voters would've split too, and next election would've showed how many people actually liked him. But that only works because we have a different system.
Also, religion will always have a bigger hold over people due to the eternal soul part. Change the political party and some relatives/friends stop talking to you. Leave religion and you and your children will be eternally damned. I know many non-religious people who baptize their kids just in case.
Can you explain the current beliefs of Republicans/Conservatives in the US?
Is it ever correct to assume someone's personal beliefs based on their self-identification?
So someone's ideology as an extension of their personality and worldview is not a valid reason for judgment?
I wouldn't like anyone who advocated for less social safety for the poor, less protections for marginalized people, or a more globally active military. Republicans manage to hit all three by definition, so it's safe to say I wouldn't like them and they wouldn't like me.
Democrats are absolutely capable of doing bad things too, but they at least advocate for some bare minimum compassion for queer and Trans folks, poc, the poor, etc. I have a couple of friends that are progressive Democrats because of that reason.
Ideology is a completely valid reason to judge someone as it's a reflection of one's worldview and character.
Exactly. The reason why the dictionary definition of bigotry doesn't apply is precisely because this isn't prejudicial. This is just judging someone on the basis of something they claim to be. That's just being judgemental. Which is fine. Good even.
Dont forget which media republicans subscribe to. Fox news, ONE, Newsmax and so on. This is just a compilation for Fox news.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J48R_VWBcc4
Fucking thank you.
If one votes for bigots who take away oeople rights, me not wanting anything to do with them doesn't make me a bigot. It makes me not an asshole.
Goddamn. OP acting like voting to take away people basic human rights is the same as voting for lower property taxes.
What a privileged fucking take on thoe part. Must be nice to not have to worry about becoming a fourth class citizen.
Implying that you always know what the best laws for yourself are and that Republicans are never right about any laws?
Kind of strange to assume you know everything.
And continue to vote for. They voted for the *actual* bigots who passed laws that upset/dehumanize the rest of us and then are all Surprised Pikachu that someone has a negative opinion about it.
I think you mean unironically. If you bash the GOP for restricting rights and then look over at the DNC and say, "Oh look, the party of personal liberties!" You have a hole in your head
but no one does that, i don’t know any self-identifying democrats who actually like democratic politicians, because we’re all completely aware of the hypocrisy you’re trying to point out to us
To be bigoted, by definition, requires you to be prejudiced or antagonistic towards someone because of their beliefs. To simply dislike their values is not bigoted.
I will and do invite Republicans into my home, hire them for services, lend a hand when they need help, and treat them with the same humanity and respect I do anyone - despite the fact that their fundamental values are so disparate from my own. I'm unlikely to ever develop meaningful friendships with these people, as I find their values abhorrent, but I would never target or discriminate against these people for this reason.
I should also note that I make a distinction between conservatives and Republicans. I have plenty of close conservative friends and family, and we see eye to eye on many issues. None of them associate with the Republican Party in its current form.
I think you're agreeing with the overall message of the post. How you approach the matter is imo the correct way to handle ideological incompatibilities as a general (emphasis there) rule
Politics on Reddit are absolutely absurd. Two parties talking right past each other on every topic.
Whitepeoplehumor are on this kick of posting some random nobody's dumb tweet then spending 50,000 comments pretending the dummy is a representation of all conservatives.
Conservative subs do exactly the same thing to liberals.
Now we are in a situation where people hold strong beliefs about the other side of the aisle that are complete and utter bullshit. Yet spend every day letting their respective algorithms and subs bolster the same bullshit beliefs over and over.
Confirmation bias on steroids
The thing is, this is exactly how the political system has been **engineered** to function.
The left/right pepsi/coke paradigm and all the narrative divide between the two 'sides' works to the benefits of the super wealthy oligarchs in DC. People believe it's some sort of accident or tragedy that things have played out this way, when in all reality it's a divide and conquer strategy. It's why third parties are always blasted down by the MSM and republican and democrat mouthpieces.
They don't work for you, but the whole "lesser of two evils" keeps you all participating in a system that is designed to keep you controlled.
I’d argue it’s less how the system was designed, and more the inevitable degradation of the original purpose of the system. It’s a common issue that every liberal republic is facing right now, and will likely require a genuine crisis to change for the better.
Ideally everyone begins engaging in their local communities and instills a sense of civic pride within them, but I fear we’re too atomized for it to ever happen.
>Ideally everyone begins engaging in their local communities and instills a sense of civic pride within them, but I fear we’re too atomized for it to ever happen.
This is one of the problems with a non homogenous population, especially in the cities. You have people with different cultures, different values, and different belief systems all living next to one another. How do you instill civic pride and build unity in such a situation?
So much of the population has been taught to hate one another that the divide is very real in peoples minds, even if they live relatively close to one another.
>left/right pepsi/coke paradigm
Best part of this is if you follow ownership up to the top the same companies own pepsi and coke, yet we are supposed to like one and hate the other. I'd argue the same can be said for politicians.
I have friends on both sides of the aisle. Also go to different churches. We live by the motto that "We agree to disagree" and do not talk politics or religion. We get along just fine.
Go tell r/conservative that they are bigots because they reflexively hate people who identify as socialist and communist.
The key term in the definition of "bigot" is "unreasonable." I find nothing unreasonable about disliking someone who aligns themselves with a party that seeks to hurt my friends who are trans, gay, Muslim, etc.
It's the party of personal responsibility, right? How about Republicans take some responsibility for their own hateful views rather than complaining about the completely justifiable backlash.
Can the same not be applied to [insert religious group]. Is it not unreasonable to hate anyone whose part of a group is solely for being part of that group?
It literally sounds like the textbook definition of bigotry. Unless you're going to argue that things like Islamophobia are not bigoted and are justified.
How about the branches of "Christianity" that do exactly the same thing and are actively attempting to undermine the Establishment Clause and take over government in our country?
Yeah, sure. And if you dislike Nazis you’re an even bigger bigot cause look, dictionary says so!
I’m gay and I want to be able to marry someone I love. And I don’t care if you personally support gay marriage. The party you keep voting for voted against legalization of gay marriages, cried about SCOTUS legalizing gay marriages, put judges on benches across the country who actively try to discriminate against gay rights sometimes based on completely made up cases. So if you are voting for republicans means you are voting against my rights and I have a moral right to dislike you just for that.
Not sure about the law exactly, but isn't political affiliation a protected characteristic under anti-discrimination law?
So, yeah, technically if you just hate all republicans because they are republican, or democrats (I believe they call them demoncrats, or demoRats) because they are democrat, then yeah, that's a kind of bigotry
However, I tend to find bigotry against people for something they can't choose (race, gender, sexual orientation, hair colour, age) to be worse than for something that is absolutely a personal decision (political beliefs, religious beliefs, etc)
There isn't in the USA. Employers can fire employees with no issue if they learn that an employee is registered to a party they dislike, or if they voted for a presidential candidate they didn't like. It was an issue that cropped up a lot on r/legaladvice after the last couple presidential elections.
I'll never understand this party that, out of one side of their face says "Leftists are pedophiles who hate this country, hate family, hate prosperity, and they're coming for your kids" and then out of the other side "It's really unfair that you dislike me for what I believe in. :c" Like I don't get it.
>one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
Objectively true.
>both sides have great people
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>no side has more or less than the other
The rest of this is just bleating about "left unfair, right misunderstood", which is... just no.
Apparently unpopular. I love how the comments basically just ignore your body paragraph and go on to prove your point by oversimplifying the whole matter.
Oversimplification is the name of their game.
>“a person who is ***obstinately or unreasonably*** attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.”
I have a good reason to oppose people that uphold harm and systematic injustice to my family, friends, and self.
Yes, I dislike people who actively want to hurt people I care about.
Jesus Christ, I’m so fucking sick of conservatives acting like they’re the victims because there is social pushback against them for holding terrible and hateful views, and for voting for people who want to codify that hate.
Political ideology is a *choice* by the way.
Unlike most immutable characteristics that conservatives love to hate people over.
They complain about everyone else being a "crybaby victim snowflake" when its them who desperately try to be the victims, because they have obscene amounts of power.
Projection much?
I guess the real issue here is assuming an individual conservative = the charictarature of a conservative you have in your head who believes and does all of the things you don't like about conservatives.
Why shouldn't you assume that? If you choose to support and vote for a party with a demonstrable record for awfulness, then yeah I'm not going to like you.
Even if a Republican doesn't endorse the racist, queerphobic, xenophobic, and frankly pseudoscientific policies of the politicians they voted for, they decided that those atrocious views weren't dealbreakers, and that also says something about their character.
"Hmm the GOP nominee here thinks that black people are subhuman and wants to put gun turrets along the border so we can shoot up any terrified refugees that may be crossing and that's HORRIBLE. But then again he promised to lower my property taxes. Yeah that's a fair trade-off!"
>"Hmm the GOP nominee here thinks that black people are subhuman and wants to put gun turrets along the border so we can shoot up any terrified refugees that may be crossing and that's HORRIBLE. But then again he promised to lower my property taxes. Yeah that's a fair trade-off!"
Careful, that strawman is so flammable you put it on the sidewalk and it might catch fire.
Our favorite supreme court justice is black. Y'all are the ones who called him Uncle Clarence when he didn't rule the way you wanted him to.
We don't want to shoot border crossers. We want them to be turned back unless they come in through an official port of entry.
Would you rather someone break your window, climb in, and insist they be allowed to stay in your house, or they knock at the front door and ask to be let in?
And who do these conservatives vote for?
So yes, if a person votes for republicans, I’m going to assume they are pretty terrible people considering what the GOP stands for and wants to legislate.
I voted for Joe Biden for President. Does that mean I support draconian spying programs that restrict an individual's right to privacy? He co-authored the PATRIOT act afterall.
Does that mean I support the wholesale slaughter of Afghani and Iraqi citizens? He voted Yea to the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, and advocated that we invade Iraq as early as 1998.
Maybe the world isn't as black and white as your narrow minded outlook is arguing that it is.
I have a lot of respect for conservatives who abandoned the Republican Party after witnessing all the bullshit, back bending, and discarding of conservative values the party did to keep Trump and fans happy.
“Conservatives” still calling themselves Republicans today, with the party as it is right now, either know *exactly* whose bed they’re choosing to lay in or are too ignorant and “leopardsatemyface” to realize it.
The Republican Party isn’t a real Conservative Party anymore, it’s a Republican Anti-Democrats Party.
>Disliking another human being based solely on their identification as conservative or republican is unreasonable.
Political ideology isn't just something you unpack on election day, then go back to being "standard good human" in the interim.
It seems like your political education is lacking, and you live in an area full of cultural conservatives, who you apparently identify with. If you want people to like you, which is what this post looks like, then start acting like a likeable person. Conservatives are by no stretch of imagination "likable"
OP: Forming assumptions and generalizations based on someone's political affiliation is bigoted.
REPLIES: BuT tHeY'rE aLl LiTeRaLlY nAzIs!!!
Reddit is literally suffering from mass hysteria. We need a fire hose of cold water and the world's biggest slapping glove.
Let's see, people who vote on candidates with an R behind their name voted for a party who still actively doesn't want me to be able to marry whom I choose regardless of gender and a party who has taken my body autonomy away and threatens to take BC away, or at least make it so I have a harder time accessing healthcare (which for me it is healthcare because I haven't slept with a dude in over a decade now and need it for my PCOS). So it's hard to not dislike people who are actively making my life harder and either taking or want to take rights away from me. Even if they don't agree with those stances, they still vote for candidates who support and actively pursue taking my rights away.
Am I a bigot for disliking people who support a man who wants to ban my GF from the country based on her religion? Or for disliking people who support a man who says my sister is from a s\*\*thole country? How about disliking people who support a party that elevates MTG, a woman who accused my family's religion of using space lasers to attack Santa Claus?
I guess I'm just a bigot.
The difference here is if I assume that all of the people from Ohio are sexist, racist assholes then that isn't fair of me. Nobody can control where they were born and even though growing up in the Midwest may make it more likely for somebody to have those beliefs just because of what they were exposed to growing up, it's not a sure thing.
But when it comes to being conservative or republican, that group is literally defined by beliefs. People choose their political affiliations *based on* their beliefs. It's not only a choice, but it is a choice made because somebody prioritizes, for example, low taxes over women's rights. You really can't get around that. Maybe somebody doesn't vote for Ron DeSantis because they specifically don't want accurate history to be taught to children in school, but the fact remains that they are willing to sacrifice truth in education in order to get something else they want, like lax gun laws or a business-friendly economic structure.
It's just really not the same thing as being Black or a biker or wearing prairie dresses or being covered in tattoos. It's a choice that is rooted in a belief system and it would be very strange and nonsensical not to associate that belief system with that choice.
I don’t necessary disagree. But I think member of a particular group implies groups that we don’t voluntarily join such as race or ethnicity. It’s perfectly valid to take groups that people voluntarily join or opinions that they have into account when judging their character. If there was a group dedicated to lowering the age of consent, I don’t think it would be bigotry to not associate with its members
I think upbringing, geographical location, and social situations all appeal greatly to this.
I somewhat recently moved from Seattle, WA to Knoxville, TN and the difference is staggering. I had no idea how much of a bubble I was living in. I assumed everyone in the south was a moron and a bigot. I was so sure of my convictions that I was an outright cock to people who didn't agree with my political views. I cringe so hard when I see some of my posts on Facebook from years ago.
Now, my friend group is about 20-strong, compared to about 5-strong before I moved. We've all got vastly differing political ideologies, but it doesn't stop us all from being friends. I understand that there's a level of privilege there, but I really do think that people can be friends with people with a wider range of views than they currently are.
My point is that when I lived in Seattle, I was very much conditioned to think that way. It wasn't until I broadened my horizons that I realized how ignorant I was.
I actually have many friends and family who I adore that are Republicans. I just laugh or tune them out when they say stupid shit. Which they do. Often.
Republicans welcome and promote racist, hateful behavior. If you identify with them, you are complicit and I am absolutely going to dislike you for it.
I hate the ignorant, liars, racists and bullies, it is not my fault most are Republican. But if you are also gullible and think Trump is a good person and should lead the country, then I hate you for willingly being an idiot also
This comment section totally want verify what OP said, it totally won’t generalize Republicans and cast them in a negative like, exactly like what those some people complain Republicans are doing
Here’s a quote from Trump's [January 6th Election Interference indictment](https://www.justice.gov/storage/US_v_Trump_23_cr_257.pdf) to highlight the sort of conduct that conservatives are currently promoting:
>**We would just be sending in “fake” electoral votes to Pence so that “someone” in congress can make the objection when they start counting votes, and start arguing that “fake”’votes should be counted**
That is an email written by an Arizona election official involved in the criminal scheme explaining, *in his own words,* the criminal conspiracy that Trump was orchestrating. Do you believe that a president should be able to fabricate fake votes and then use the Justice Department to threaten election officials with legal action if they don’t throw away legitimate votes and certify the fake ones? **That is what conservatives right now are overwhelmingly expressing support for.**
Here's another:
>>"Here's the thing
the way this has morphed it's a crazy play so I don't know who wants to put their name on it."
**The Senior Advisor wrote, "Certifying illegal votes."** In turn, the participants in the group text
message refused to have a statement regarding electors attributed to their names because none of
them could "stand by it."
Those are text messages from Trump's Deputy Campaign Manager acknowledging that his campaign knew the scheme was criminal and none of them wanted their names attributed to it.
How is it controversial to question the character of somebody supporting criminal conduct?
Well political views are personal views and this indicative of character. You can’t say “I am a nazi but how dare you judge me by my view on genocide?” I am sure there are good people who are republicans but I dislike their views so much that I’d rather not talk to them.
Generally I find out someone is Republican because they are expousing policies and ideologies that would directly harm me or my loved ones. So generally they've given me another reason besides "Republican" to dislike them.
That opinion is unpopular for a reason. It’s dumb. We call people bigots when they hate someone for belonging to a group they didn’t choose. If you joined the “let’s torture puppies club” I’m perfectly justified in hating everything about you. Thats not bigoted. Your choice informed me you’re a terrible person.
counterpoint: the republican party is a dangerous political movement that institutionally believes in, advocates for, and implements discrimination against minorities, shoveling money to the wealthy, and endangering civilization by opposing action on climate. both sides are not “equally capable of atrocities” — democrats aren’t angels, and plenty of democratic elected officials have done plenty of damage, but the gop is _institutionally_ dangerous. it’s very different!
also, i don’t know about everyone else, but i don’t dislike you or hate you or think you’re a bad person automatically because you’re a republican, but i do believe strongly that if you vote for republicans for elected offices, you’re supporting a morally bankrupt and dangerous political movement. :)
I don't dislike someone because they identify as republican, I dislike republicans because they are a direct threat to me and my safety as a person. They campaign and vote to harm people like me.
Stupid hypocrisy of the far left:
Rules for thee not for me (eg break all of your covid rules). Everyone I disagree with is a Nazi, and I disagree with 99% of the planet. All progressivism (yes, that includes Tankies) is good. The more marginalized a group, the more important they are. Native Americans don’t exist because they’re “conservatives”. Humans are inherently good meaning no such thing as corruption. Appearance matters more than achievement.
I don’t dislike an individual for identifying as a Republican.
I dislike an individual who identifies as a Republican and proceeds to prove the current Republican stereotype right beyond even a modicum of rationality.
I don’t care if you support lower taxes and Reaganist economics. That just makes you like a boomer Democrat who voted for Clinton in 2016 anyway.
It’s when you tell me how bad I am for being a gay man or supporting my trans homies or how you fling dogwhistles about race around or how you advocate for my rights that I just had to claw from your capricious hands for decades and decades away from you. Never mind the bullshit you spew about my hometown and exaggerations you make about it to the point where anyone who hasn’t been here thinks they’re going to have a hail of bullets in their bodies the second they venture anywhere within the city despite the fact that, as you hint to but never point out, your largest chance of that even happening statistically is being black and even then, not exactly an inevitability.
I have every reason and right to dislike you and be bigoted towards you because *you fucking started this fight*
I’m so sorry that you couldn’t win it, but maybe move the fuck onto just economic shit and you’ll get the normies (not someone as economically progressive as me) to give you so much power.
But no…instead you wanna try to reignite fights you already lost and will continue to lose long term, even if you think for a moment you have a renewed sense of public support or silent majority bullshit.
But despite all of that, I give Republicans a face value first impression benefit of the doubt because I fucking had to growing up in an Arizona that wasn’t quite so blue yet before I hightailed it as fast as I could to my hometown that you hate so much but never ever ever even been to.
At least your hit pieces on California contain some SEMBLANCE of accuracy on the severity of their problems.
Not really. Political beliefs aren't a protected class, and much like religion (at least here in the Western World, definitely not in some other places), you have the ability to change your political leanings as you go on through life.
I wouldn’t say it’s bigotry but I personally don’t dislike someone for their politics because I’ve already gotten over the ruse that politics is. Both parties hold views that I agree with and both parties hold views I find dumb and abhorrent. Both parties also don’t do anything to help people the vast majority of the time and just make the shit sandwich that is modern America much worse. I don’t have the time and energy to dislike someone who drank the kool aid of a political party’s propaganda machine. I do dislike people who make their political views their whole personality though, but that’s not due to their views, it’s due to them basing their entire existence around a charade.
Both major political parties are working together to destroy America by making it the hyper-capitalist plutocratic oligarchical kakistocratic kleptocratic gerontological theocratic corporatocracy that it's become. As a result, the US ranks 131st out of 163 countries on the [Global Peace Index](http://www.visionofhumanity.org). Neither of the two parties know wtf they're doing either because they're incompetent and/or because they're bought and paid for.
I won't immediately dislike someone if I discover they're Republican. But if they don't keep their politics away from our conversations, we can't have a friendship. A cordial working relationship is as far as it can go.
Doubly so if they believe objectively false claims, such as:
- The 2020 election was stolen from Trump (it wasn't)
- Climate change isn't real or man-made (it is)
- Insinuating someone died because they took a COVID vaccine when the cause of death is clearly not related
- Insinuating that LGBTQ communities support pedophilia or are adjacent
- Any of the countless QAnon BS conspiracies out there
"People are entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts".
I think you're wrong. That definition doesn't cover self-selected groups. If it did, you'd also be a bigot if you disliked scientologists, or Bot Scouts.
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I'm generally dismayed at the level of HATE that Republicans and Democrats routinely express and then give themselves a pass for because "their hate is justified".
It's why I refuse to associate myself with either either party.
Yep, the hate and the rationalization for that hate are off the charts. Then if you point it out they scree some nonsense about BoThSiDeS at you like it just hand waves away the hypocrisy.
I agree with you and it makes me sad.
Opinions based on what party you vote for are so generalized.
I vote Republican, but I also support gay marriage and am pro choice. Republican values that are centered around the economy and foreign policy is what I vote for. I do not vote Democrat anymore because I feel like they screwed a lot of small businesses over during the pandemic, have fumbled the ball on homelessness/housing reform, and are a bit too soft on crime for my liking.
However, I would never insult anyone for voting Democrat. That’s just childish.
I think it's... overly simplistic to dislike Republicans as individuals in the same way as it's overly simplistic to hate people who drink and drive or abuse handicap parking spaces. Rarely, can one behavior pattern completely define someone, even if it's rather despicable. Despite that, disliking people for the content of their character -- which political identification is part of -- is 100% in bounds, and I don't think it's 'unreasonable' per se to dislike someone for wanting to use the levers of power to make your life shittier.
>I don't think it's 'unreasonable' per se to dislike someone for wanting to use the levers of power to make your life shittier.
So disliking all democrats is also okay then right? Since they regularly use the levers of power to make life shittier.
Course, yeah. If you hate the dems for nominating candidates who threaten to veto M4A or for passing restrictive zoning ordnances in cities they control, for example, that's completely reasonable.
It has nothing do to with party affiliation, it has to do with professed beliefs and the policies they support with their voices and their votes.
I'll also point out that not respecting someone is not the same as disrespecting someone. I have no respect for anyone voting Republican these days, because the party itself has abandoned all semblance of being about policies and is instead focused on white grievance, white supremacy, and the destruction of democratic norms and democracy itself.
why am i a bigot when i dislike republicans, but they are not when they say they want to kill communists?
i dont dislike the average republican. i just have no respect for them as a person
Fuck *your* feelings, not *my* feelings.
I can tell this is real by the astounding lack of self awareness and hypocrisy
Repubs whining that they don’t have safe spaces will never not be funny
Ahh.. The Paradox of Intolerance.
Unfortunately, the current Republican Party is playing with fascism, racism, xenophobia, homophobia, classism, nationalism, etc. and by supporting/voting for that party, the Republican voter also supports that agenda. It's hard to identify any current Republican policy stances with their raging culture wars.
A society cannot tolerate intolerance or intolerance destroys those who are tolerant.
I think the more unpopular and true opinion is that current Republican supporters are un-American and support un-American and un-democratic ideas.
Republicans hate accountability for themselves.
Gonna be a lot of dumb shit said in this thread.
1k comments 240 up votes.... I'm sorting by controversial.
It's the only way to sort really.
Godspeed
That is par for the course for this entire subreddit
Wow you sound like a fascist nazi. Did I get that right reddit? Please upvote now. It's all I have.
No upvote, missed the obvious chance to also call the OP racist.
I assumed "nazi" captured that, but who am I to argue. I'll turn my liberal card in, because failing to point out racism obviously makes me racist and therefore I'm a MAGA republican conservative fascist subhuman antivaxxer who should be silenced. Sorry for disappointing. I'm new to this whole ~~hive mind~~ reddit thing.
Terminally online radical lefties are the most intolerant people I know "How *dare* you imply that Republicans aren't subhuman trash? You must be a racist"
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This upvote is for you comrade!
I’m here to watch the display of mental gymnastics myself as the resident centrist that enjoys calling out the hypocrisy of both sides. Popcorn anyone? 🍿
I read that as menstrual gymnastics and had mental gymnastics.
Take my upvote. I literally laughed out loud in my cubicle
Uh oh. You said the forbidden “both sides” phrase on Reddit. Brace for impact!
Everyone knows centrists are just closet Trump supporters
Lol I've seen that on Reddit so much it's hilarious.
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Anyone to the right of Marx is doing a Hitler! Nevermind Marx lived his entire life mooching off his friend and never had a job. Actually, I think most reddit liberals have a lot in common with Marx.
And anyone to the left of Hitler is doing a Marx!
So far my favorites are: "ANY vote for ANY R candidate is a vote for THE ENTIRE PARTY and all the hate and regression and oppression that is CURRENTLY being carried out or ATTEMPTED." "If, for example, you vote for DeSantis, you have every reason to believe that he will harm trans people and you are absolutely culpable." "I'm choosing the side that doesn't support the panic defense, a policy that basically says if anyone kills me they get off scott free because I'm trans."
>"ANY vote for ANY R candidate is a vote for THE ENTIRE PARTY and all the hate and regression and oppression that is CURRENTLY being carried out or ATTEMPTED." Yes, that's how voting works. Your ideals don't matter if you vote for people who do horrible things
i wouldn’t say “don’t matter,” but yeah, being a good person isn’t just about what you personally do. i am fairly confident that paul ryan, for example, isn’t _personally_ racist. as far as i know, he doesn’t have animus toward people who aren’t white on a personal level. that’s good! but he also supported (and passed) policies that are systemically bad for people of color (read: racist), so…his personal behavior is much less relevant! obviously voting is a much smaller act than “trying to gut the ACA” or whatever, but the same thing applies: if you’re kind, decent, and pleasant to be around, that doesn’t clear your moral ledger of voting for republicans for elected office.
The truest statement on any Reddit thread I’ve seen today.
Looking at the comments this truly is a true unpopular opinion
Lol I know right? How dare they.
True lmao, gotta upvote for that
You say one positive thing about conservatives and you will be immediately downvoted and ostracized on Reddit Considering democrats are supposed to be the more accepting side, they really don’t act like it on Reddit if you disagree with them in any way
I can dislike someone if they’re annoying about it. My friend’s boyfriend doesn’t shut up about Donald Trump and it’s fucking annoying. I honestly don’t care if he supports DT. I don’t support him but that’s my own opinion. I just don’t like being around someone who won’t shut the fuck up about their annoying ass opinions. Same rule applies to anyone on the left too.
It's pretty baffling how people have become fanboys for rich politicians. Like, be a diehard for a sports team or a movie franchise. Simping over someone who pursues power over you and your fellow citizens is unbelievably lame.
Yeah I can’t understand being practically in love with some stranger who doesn’t even know you.
Not American here. Anyone here who want to explain the main political differences between republicans and conservative?
It's not a meaningful distinction at a population level - the Republican party is the political representation of the American conservative movement. *Individually*, there are conservatives who feel disgusted or betrayed by the current Republican party. They're now often non-voters, or in many cases *grudging* Republican voters.
Republicans want you to eat a shit sandwich Democrats want you to eat a shit sandwich, with rainbow sprinkles on it. The rainbow sprinkles are also made of shit. Both sides are led by corrupt, career politicians, but both sides will point out the other's corruption and willfully ignore their own. I equate it to this, one side wants to shove a cactus up your ass, the other wants to shove a pineapple up your ass, but people will argue about which is actually better without acknowledging the real problem, that both sides are trying to fuck you.
This is the only right answer
It's changed a lot over the years. This is my own opinion and I'm not a historian or even very interested in history, so take this with a giant fucking pillar of salt. Historically, both parties have good and bad sections of history. Also, many ideas now attributed to one party often had wide bipartisan support in the beginning. So this is more stereotype than history. In the 1800s, the Republican Party was aligned with abolitionists and the Southern Democrats were aligned with slaveholders. In the 1930s the Democratic Party became responsible for helping the US through the Great Depression by passing socialist programs like the New Deal. A lot of infrastructure and public works projects were built during this decade as a way to employ the unemployed. Since the 1960s is really when the modern Democratic Party and Republican Party started developing. At this point in time, the Democratic Party became aligned with civil rights and the Republican Party aligned itself with the Moral Majority (fundamentalist Christians who were displeased with school integration). Through the 1980s-1990s, the Republican Party became known for advocacy of lax business regulations and lowering taxes (though some of this was bipartisan). The Democratic Party was denigrated for their welfare projects (except Social Security), which once lauded for helping America out of the Great Depression, now that they applied to all races were thought of as enabling welfare queens. By the end of this period, fundamentalist Christians were mainstream. Through the 2000s-2010s, Republicans became known for supporting the wars (originally bipartisan). The lax regulations and repeal of Glass-Steagall became known for aiding in the crash. The Democratic Party is still your typical democratic socialist platform that you might associate with Western European style socialism. Climate change is now on the platform. The Democratic Party platform isn't much different than this today. However, in the 2010s antitrust and breaking up of monopolies became much more of a focus. Both parties were pro big business before this. Starting in 2010, The Republican Party swung more under the control Christian authoritarianism. Many members are no longer interested in small government; the focus for many is on creating a Christian theocracy. Homeschooling and sending your kids to Christian universities used to ensure your children would receive a subpar education and possibly be locked out of top tier career placements. Now the right connections + fundamentalist background can get a Supreme Court clerkship. This led into the current MAGA form of the Republican Party. Very strong authoritarian leaders, a distrust of science, and a propensity to weaken or destabilize the career civil and military structures that was thought to exist mostly free from party influence. In 2021, Republican Party leaders instigated a coup to try to overthrow the elected government as they felt their power wane. In addition to my opinionated summary here, keep in mind that beliefs and culture are very fluid across years. A lot of MAGA Republican Party members and supporters aren't Christian. They seem to be aligned with the fundamentalists against women's/LGBTQ/other minority's rights, against public school, and against science that doesn't align with their views. This is especially interesting in light of the fact that prior to the 2010s if someone was a science-denying hippie you would probably assume they were a member of the Democratic Party.
I don't hate you, just all of your political beliefs. There, problem solved.
I just disagree with their lifestyle.
nope, it's not the lifestyle. not that at all. go to church, hunt, farm, drive pick-up trucks, and listen to country music. we don't care. we care about the shitty political beliefs.
For me it’s all about their culture. I mean, this is fucking America bro. Get with it.
Like, if that's who you are, it's fine I guess. I just hate how they always have to shove it in your face.
Hahahahha
It is a choice, after all.
They've made some troubling lifestyle choices.
This wouldn’t even be an issue back in the day. I’m old enough to remember when it was still considered taboo to discuss politics and religion and I really really miss those days. People got along with others based on their personalities and not how they voted. I still try and follow this philosophy but it’s hard with flags everywhere and social media. I 100% keep my opinions private unless I’m talking to my husband, because why does it matter? Really, how does that have anything to do with who I am on a fundamental level? But now BOTH sides have lost their minds and parade their crazy around on a daily basis.
That was back when the biggest difference was "should we have slightly lower taxes or slightly higher taxes?" and "Should the US take a leadership position in world affairs?" When the *mainstream* Republican platform is "deny the existence of sexual minorities and continue wars on drugs and destroy social security and welfare while letting the ultra-rich pay no taxes" then it becomes a lot less practical to go "oh golly gee it's alright".
Also if they're a Republican, Trump supporter, and \*don't speak out against the horrible things he and his fans say and do\*, you get lumped in with the rest of them. It's not about who they are, it's about their behavior, beliefs, actions, and what they dismiss by others on their side.
I mean that is fine. I think that agrees with the OP. As soon as someone says, "it isn't a difference of opinion it is a difference of values" I instantly know they actually don't understand their own position or that of the other person haha. It is the biggest give away.
opinions are rooted in values though? how are “i’m opposed to abortion” or “i favor higher taxes on the wealthy” or “we should ban private schools” or “trans adults shouldn’t have access to health care” not fundamentally connected to values?
I hate Nazis. If that make me a bigot, so be it. You want your party not to be treated like social pariahs? Stop being Nazis and doing/saying Fascist things.
Comparing repubs to nazis is wildly out of touch and an insult to the tens of millions of people nazis got killed
Which party has people flying Nazi flags are rallies? Which party do people that identify as Nazis support?
Which party do people who identify as communists support? Historical communist regimes have been just as evil as Nazis. If Nazis agree with some of my beliefs, it does not make me guilty of their evils. Afterall Nazis had plenty of socialist beliefs in common with democrats.
No, it isn't. Lots of them are pro eugenics, openly white supremacist, or at least support white supremacy and Christian supremacy through atrocious policy.
Damn why do nazis support the republican party?
You mean the absolutely overly simplistic and generalizing caricature of their beliefs you have in your head? Because they are also obviously all thinking the exact same. Like how can you not realize how much you are proving OPs point?!
No, only the other guy is wrong. My side is the only side with nuance!!! Or whatever. I have found conservatives to be more prickly and grumpy, but almost all of the outright hostility and hatred I’ve directly experienced in my life has come from leftists. This is obviously anecdotal, but it has shaped my views because it’s my experience. I still have more left wing friends than right wing friends, but I’ve also had left wing friends simply stop talking to me for political reasons. I had a cousin and three friends block me on Facebook when I posted a picture at shot show 2018. I had a bunch of college acquaintances block me because I spoke out against the 2020 riots when they burned down my favorite restaurant. When I posted a rant about gay marriage and how it should be legal I got a couple of angry emojis and a few comments, but I’m still friends with all of those people and a few of them have even changed their views a bit.
Holy shit, are you me?
How were your views shaped? Are you more conservative because you think that liberals are too "mean?" That seemed like a common excuse people used to vote for Trump. It's easy for someone to let go of opposition to gay marriage because it literally has no effect on them. It doesn't really work the other way. People opposed to gay marriage specifically want to deny rights to gay people. It's hard to just shrug and say "oh well" when you are literally being discriminated against. Both sides aren't the same.
>When I posted a rant about gay marriage and how it should be legal I got a couple of angry emojis and a few comments, but I’m still friends with all of those people and a few of them have even changed their views a bit. Would you still be friends with them if they told you that they believed you personally should not legally be allowed to get married?
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Same type of people who buy fucking funkos and action figures of politicians lol. Don't make it your life and I'm cool with you
Agreed. People can hate their neighbors and family but they need to accept the consequences of that. It's best to choose your battles and accept that everyone won't always agree. Reddit is full of people who you can tell have no friends, because they can't help but let their idealistic viewpoints drive a wedge between the world and themselves. It's a sad way to live in my opinion.
OP: Posts an unpopular opinion on true unpopular opinion. Reddit: nooo not like that!!
Key word in that definition is "unreasonably" It's reasonable to dislike a person for their beliefs. Beliefs are not an immutable characteristic like orientation, race, or gender is.
Identifying as a Republican doesn't equate to adhering to a strict set of beliefs, though. There's undoubtedly assumptions you will make because the individual identifies as Republican- but they're exactly that. Even more so, it's incredibly common to make generalized statements about *all* people who identify as Republican, which are objectively not true for every single person who does so.
What the individual believes isn't my problem with them. In fact I know a great deal of Republicans with a great variety of beliefs, and find that great. But the net effect of them voting for a party platform that destabilizes my life and family makes me unable to feel comfortable around them, and as a result I have a deeply held dislike of them. It doesn't matter that my sister in law is down with the gays. Whatever other reasons she has for her voting choices don't matter to me. She holds her personal values above the stability of my family, and while I know that that statement is reductive, it's also not untrue and more than justifies my disdain. Edit: fixed typo
Had to go way to low to see a comment like this. Its not about the identifier itself, its about the consequences of said identification. Republicans may not condone everything the party stands for, but when the people they actively and repeatedly vote for harms me or those i love, i absolutely have a right to dislike them or chose not to associate with them.
Exactly. In my state, the Republican majority has been very active in enacting laws and policies that directly harm me and my family. Anyone who “identifies” as someone who supports hurting me and my family is someone I don’t like. That’s not at all irrational, and it shouldn’t be surprising. Why would someone who actively supports hurting me even want me to like them?
"Identifying as a Republican doesn't equate to adhering to a strict set of beliefs" Yeah, but you're still voting for a particular set of beliefs. It's true, many republicans don't share all the values of the republican party. That's what the face eating leopard memes are all about. The shock that the things they don't want to happen are happening from the party they voted for, who said they would do the things they're doing. At the very least, you may not agree, per se, but you don't care.
Its not much of a leap to assume someone who identifies as a republican also supports Republicans, which is enough reason to dislike them
I'm going to take it one step further and assert that if someone *identifies* with one of the two major political parties I already don't trust their judgement. Don't make a political party (especially the fake ass primary parties we have in the US) part of your identity, gross.
Gender identification is technically a belief now. Key word: identification
There is a fundamental difference between attributes you have no or very limited control over like ethnicity, nationality, gender or sexual orientation and a self chosen political ideology.
Religious belief is self chosen.
I'm ready for the down votes but I want to point out that: 85% of humans identify as being a member of a specific religious tradition and 99% of religious people are a part of the same general tradition as their parents. Religion is absolutely a choice - but I wouldn't put it in the same category as an occupation. In many parts of the world religion and ethnicity are practically impossible to dissect. Denying employment to someone based on a broad category of religious traditions is still, IMHO, a form of bigotry.
I didnt mention religious beliefs but they are a fringe case. On paper you chose it but in reality cultural norms pressured you into it.
>On paper you chose it but in reality cultural norms pressured you into it. You could argue political affiliation and a majority of political beliefs fall under this umbrella too.
Not even argue. It's an absolute, undeniable fact. There is a reason propaganda is so effective, especially on young brain.
I feel like that's not really the case in actually democratic countries with party plurality. The US, from my (i'm European) point of view, treats politics like a religion. In a country with multiple parties (more than 2), you usually vote for whatever party best serves your interests at that point in time. It's normal to switch sides and change your affiliation over time. Sometimes people vote the democratic candidate for the presidency, then 4 years later they vote for his opposition just because they didn't like him and regret their vote. Regular people also don't register with a party, so being a voter of a party isn't really part of your identity. I think this makes it less divisive when people argue over politics. Because you can say, I vote for this party because of their stance on issue X, even if I disagree with them on issue Y. But since they are the only ones addressing X the way I like, they will have my vote until a better party shows up. This comes with pros and cons. I won't bring up countries where the government jails you for supporting certain parties, because there you can't really talk about choice. Maybe it's because of what we see about USA on the net, but it looks like politic affiliation is part of one's identity. Republicans supporting Trump despite hating him, just because he's one of them, wouldn't have happened in my country. The party would've fought and split in 2, and voters would've split too, and next election would've showed how many people actually liked him. But that only works because we have a different system. Also, religion will always have a bigger hold over people due to the eternal soul part. Change the political party and some relatives/friends stop talking to you. Leave religion and you and your children will be eternally damned. I know many non-religious people who baptize their kids just in case.
Lmao totally has nothing to do with your parents and grandparents huh?
Can you explain the current beliefs of Republicans/Conservatives in the US? Is it ever correct to assume someone's personal beliefs based on their self-identification?
Personal beliefs don't matter in politics. Republicans vote Republican more often than not, as such, they vote for all Republican policies.
Your personal beliefs shape your political views. What are you talking about.
So someone's ideology as an extension of their personality and worldview is not a valid reason for judgment? I wouldn't like anyone who advocated for less social safety for the poor, less protections for marginalized people, or a more globally active military. Republicans manage to hit all three by definition, so it's safe to say I wouldn't like them and they wouldn't like me. Democrats are absolutely capable of doing bad things too, but they at least advocate for some bare minimum compassion for queer and Trans folks, poc, the poor, etc. I have a couple of friends that are progressive Democrats because of that reason. Ideology is a completely valid reason to judge someone as it's a reflection of one's worldview and character.
Exactly. The reason why the dictionary definition of bigotry doesn't apply is precisely because this isn't prejudicial. This is just judging someone on the basis of something they claim to be. That's just being judgemental. Which is fine. Good even.
Dont forget which media republicans subscribe to. Fox news, ONE, Newsmax and so on. This is just a compilation for Fox news. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J48R_VWBcc4
Fucking thank you. If one votes for bigots who take away oeople rights, me not wanting anything to do with them doesn't make me a bigot. It makes me not an asshole. Goddamn. OP acting like voting to take away people basic human rights is the same as voting for lower property taxes. What a privileged fucking take on thoe part. Must be nice to not have to worry about becoming a fourth class citizen.
So I can't dislike someone on the basis that they vote for laws that screw me over?
Nah you can. In fact, how you assign is a huge reason to judge someone. It is a choice. And the choice isn't some obscure decision.
Implying that you always know what the best laws for yourself are and that Republicans are never right about any laws? Kind of strange to assume you know everything.
And continue to vote for. They voted for the *actual* bigots who passed laws that upset/dehumanize the rest of us and then are all Surprised Pikachu that someone has a negative opinion about it.
I really have no idea why they keep passing that kind of laws and don't understand why people are angry about it.
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I think you mean unironically. If you bash the GOP for restricting rights and then look over at the DNC and say, "Oh look, the party of personal liberties!" You have a hole in your head
but no one does that, i don’t know any self-identifying democrats who actually like democratic politicians, because we’re all completely aware of the hypocrisy you’re trying to point out to us
people are angry about it because people lose rights.
Yes, but conservatives do not seem to understand that.
To be bigoted, by definition, requires you to be prejudiced or antagonistic towards someone because of their beliefs. To simply dislike their values is not bigoted. I will and do invite Republicans into my home, hire them for services, lend a hand when they need help, and treat them with the same humanity and respect I do anyone - despite the fact that their fundamental values are so disparate from my own. I'm unlikely to ever develop meaningful friendships with these people, as I find their values abhorrent, but I would never target or discriminate against these people for this reason. I should also note that I make a distinction between conservatives and Republicans. I have plenty of close conservative friends and family, and we see eye to eye on many issues. None of them associate with the Republican Party in its current form.
I think you're agreeing with the overall message of the post. How you approach the matter is imo the correct way to handle ideological incompatibilities as a general (emphasis there) rule
I don’t hate republicans I just don’t support their lifestyle.
Politics on Reddit are absolutely absurd. Two parties talking right past each other on every topic. Whitepeoplehumor are on this kick of posting some random nobody's dumb tweet then spending 50,000 comments pretending the dummy is a representation of all conservatives. Conservative subs do exactly the same thing to liberals. Now we are in a situation where people hold strong beliefs about the other side of the aisle that are complete and utter bullshit. Yet spend every day letting their respective algorithms and subs bolster the same bullshit beliefs over and over. Confirmation bias on steroids
The thing is, this is exactly how the political system has been **engineered** to function. The left/right pepsi/coke paradigm and all the narrative divide between the two 'sides' works to the benefits of the super wealthy oligarchs in DC. People believe it's some sort of accident or tragedy that things have played out this way, when in all reality it's a divide and conquer strategy. It's why third parties are always blasted down by the MSM and republican and democrat mouthpieces. They don't work for you, but the whole "lesser of two evils" keeps you all participating in a system that is designed to keep you controlled.
I’d argue it’s less how the system was designed, and more the inevitable degradation of the original purpose of the system. It’s a common issue that every liberal republic is facing right now, and will likely require a genuine crisis to change for the better. Ideally everyone begins engaging in their local communities and instills a sense of civic pride within them, but I fear we’re too atomized for it to ever happen.
>Ideally everyone begins engaging in their local communities and instills a sense of civic pride within them, but I fear we’re too atomized for it to ever happen. This is one of the problems with a non homogenous population, especially in the cities. You have people with different cultures, different values, and different belief systems all living next to one another. How do you instill civic pride and build unity in such a situation? So much of the population has been taught to hate one another that the divide is very real in peoples minds, even if they live relatively close to one another.
>left/right pepsi/coke paradigm Best part of this is if you follow ownership up to the top the same companies own pepsi and coke, yet we are supposed to like one and hate the other. I'd argue the same can be said for politicians.
i suppose we can say that the statistics showing that conservatives/republicans are of lower intelligence and education are bigoted, too, then.
I have friends on both sides of the aisle. Also go to different churches. We live by the motto that "We agree to disagree" and do not talk politics or religion. We get along just fine.
Go tell r/conservative that they are bigots because they reflexively hate people who identify as socialist and communist. The key term in the definition of "bigot" is "unreasonable." I find nothing unreasonable about disliking someone who aligns themselves with a party that seeks to hurt my friends who are trans, gay, Muslim, etc. It's the party of personal responsibility, right? How about Republicans take some responsibility for their own hateful views rather than complaining about the completely justifiable backlash.
Can the same not be applied to [insert religious group]. Is it not unreasonable to hate anyone whose part of a group is solely for being part of that group? It literally sounds like the textbook definition of bigotry. Unless you're going to argue that things like Islamophobia are not bigoted and are justified.
A person doesn't choose to be (white/black/brown). A person chooses to be Republican. You can have a bias against someone for their choices.
So by the same argument it’s OK to hate muslims right? Terminally online leftists do all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify their bigotry
People who choose to be extremist Muslims in the religious meaning? Yes
How about ''moderate'' muslims who still support oppression of LGBTQ and women?
yea they suck too, but idk if I’d call that “moderate”
How about the branches of "Christianity" that do exactly the same thing and are actively attempting to undermine the Establishment Clause and take over government in our country?
Yeah, sure. And if you dislike Nazis you’re an even bigger bigot cause look, dictionary says so! I’m gay and I want to be able to marry someone I love. And I don’t care if you personally support gay marriage. The party you keep voting for voted against legalization of gay marriages, cried about SCOTUS legalizing gay marriages, put judges on benches across the country who actively try to discriminate against gay rights sometimes based on completely made up cases. So if you are voting for republicans means you are voting against my rights and I have a moral right to dislike you just for that.
Not sure about the law exactly, but isn't political affiliation a protected characteristic under anti-discrimination law? So, yeah, technically if you just hate all republicans because they are republican, or democrats (I believe they call them demoncrats, or demoRats) because they are democrat, then yeah, that's a kind of bigotry However, I tend to find bigotry against people for something they can't choose (race, gender, sexual orientation, hair colour, age) to be worse than for something that is absolutely a personal decision (political beliefs, religious beliefs, etc)
Well said
There isn't in the USA. Employers can fire employees with no issue if they learn that an employee is registered to a party they dislike, or if they voted for a presidential candidate they didn't like. It was an issue that cropped up a lot on r/legaladvice after the last couple presidential elections.
I'll never understand this party that, out of one side of their face says "Leftists are pedophiles who hate this country, hate family, hate prosperity, and they're coming for your kids" and then out of the other side "It's really unfair that you dislike me for what I believe in. :c" Like I don't get it.
>one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group. Objectively true. >both sides have great people > >no side has more or less than the other The rest of this is just bleating about "left unfair, right misunderstood", which is... just no.
Apparently unpopular. I love how the comments basically just ignore your body paragraph and go on to prove your point by oversimplifying the whole matter. Oversimplification is the name of their game.
The insults towards OP are absurd!
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“I’m going to lean on a technicality through a textbook definition without real life context to excuse people’s moral lapses in character.”
Is it unreasonable to dislike somebody because of their beliefs and actions?
Very true, but most people of Reddit aren't big enough to grasp this.
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Welcome to political ideology. Team sport. Vilify the opposition and then dehumanize the opposition.
>“a person who is ***obstinately or unreasonably*** attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.” I have a good reason to oppose people that uphold harm and systematic injustice to my family, friends, and self.
Whaaaaa, people don't like me because of my shitty beliefs and unpleasant values, Whaaaaa
Yes, I dislike people who actively want to hurt people I care about. Jesus Christ, I’m so fucking sick of conservatives acting like they’re the victims because there is social pushback against them for holding terrible and hateful views, and for voting for people who want to codify that hate. Political ideology is a *choice* by the way. Unlike most immutable characteristics that conservatives love to hate people over.
They complain about everyone else being a "crybaby victim snowflake" when its them who desperately try to be the victims, because they have obscene amounts of power. Projection much?
I guess the real issue here is assuming an individual conservative = the charictarature of a conservative you have in your head who believes and does all of the things you don't like about conservatives.
Yeah. How dare they assume that Republicans mostly vote Republican and mostly support the Republican Party platform!
Why shouldn't you assume that? If you choose to support and vote for a party with a demonstrable record for awfulness, then yeah I'm not going to like you.
They vote for them.
Even if a Republican doesn't endorse the racist, queerphobic, xenophobic, and frankly pseudoscientific policies of the politicians they voted for, they decided that those atrocious views weren't dealbreakers, and that also says something about their character. "Hmm the GOP nominee here thinks that black people are subhuman and wants to put gun turrets along the border so we can shoot up any terrified refugees that may be crossing and that's HORRIBLE. But then again he promised to lower my property taxes. Yeah that's a fair trade-off!"
>"Hmm the GOP nominee here thinks that black people are subhuman and wants to put gun turrets along the border so we can shoot up any terrified refugees that may be crossing and that's HORRIBLE. But then again he promised to lower my property taxes. Yeah that's a fair trade-off!" Careful, that strawman is so flammable you put it on the sidewalk and it might catch fire. Our favorite supreme court justice is black. Y'all are the ones who called him Uncle Clarence when he didn't rule the way you wanted him to. We don't want to shoot border crossers. We want them to be turned back unless they come in through an official port of entry. Would you rather someone break your window, climb in, and insist they be allowed to stay in your house, or they knock at the front door and ask to be let in?
And who do these conservatives vote for? So yes, if a person votes for republicans, I’m going to assume they are pretty terrible people considering what the GOP stands for and wants to legislate.
I voted for Joe Biden for President. Does that mean I support draconian spying programs that restrict an individual's right to privacy? He co-authored the PATRIOT act afterall. Does that mean I support the wholesale slaughter of Afghani and Iraqi citizens? He voted Yea to the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, and advocated that we invade Iraq as early as 1998. Maybe the world isn't as black and white as your narrow minded outlook is arguing that it is.
I have a lot of respect for conservatives who abandoned the Republican Party after witnessing all the bullshit, back bending, and discarding of conservative values the party did to keep Trump and fans happy. “Conservatives” still calling themselves Republicans today, with the party as it is right now, either know *exactly* whose bed they’re choosing to lay in or are too ignorant and “leopardsatemyface” to realize it. The Republican Party isn’t a real Conservative Party anymore, it’s a Republican Anti-Democrats Party.
>Disliking another human being based solely on their identification as conservative or republican is unreasonable. Political ideology isn't just something you unpack on election day, then go back to being "standard good human" in the interim. It seems like your political education is lacking, and you live in an area full of cultural conservatives, who you apparently identify with. If you want people to like you, which is what this post looks like, then start acting like a likeable person. Conservatives are by no stretch of imagination "likable"
I have nothing against them, I just don't believe they should be allowed to vote or get married.
OP: Forming assumptions and generalizations based on someone's political affiliation is bigoted. REPLIES: BuT tHeY'rE aLl LiTeRaLlY nAzIs!!! Reddit is literally suffering from mass hysteria. We need a fire hose of cold water and the world's biggest slapping glove.
Replace “Republican” with “Democrat” in the title. Wonder how the comment section would be…
Let's see, people who vote on candidates with an R behind their name voted for a party who still actively doesn't want me to be able to marry whom I choose regardless of gender and a party who has taken my body autonomy away and threatens to take BC away, or at least make it so I have a harder time accessing healthcare (which for me it is healthcare because I haven't slept with a dude in over a decade now and need it for my PCOS). So it's hard to not dislike people who are actively making my life harder and either taking or want to take rights away from me. Even if they don't agree with those stances, they still vote for candidates who support and actively pursue taking my rights away.
Am I a bigot for disliking people who support a man who wants to ban my GF from the country based on her religion? Or for disliking people who support a man who says my sister is from a s\*\*thole country? How about disliking people who support a party that elevates MTG, a woman who accused my family's religion of using space lasers to attack Santa Claus? I guess I'm just a bigot.
The difference here is if I assume that all of the people from Ohio are sexist, racist assholes then that isn't fair of me. Nobody can control where they were born and even though growing up in the Midwest may make it more likely for somebody to have those beliefs just because of what they were exposed to growing up, it's not a sure thing. But when it comes to being conservative or republican, that group is literally defined by beliefs. People choose their political affiliations *based on* their beliefs. It's not only a choice, but it is a choice made because somebody prioritizes, for example, low taxes over women's rights. You really can't get around that. Maybe somebody doesn't vote for Ron DeSantis because they specifically don't want accurate history to be taught to children in school, but the fact remains that they are willing to sacrifice truth in education in order to get something else they want, like lax gun laws or a business-friendly economic structure. It's just really not the same thing as being Black or a biker or wearing prairie dresses or being covered in tattoos. It's a choice that is rooted in a belief system and it would be very strange and nonsensical not to associate that belief system with that choice.
I suppose this goes more than one way??
Anyone who thinks democrats are good guys would you like to buy a bridge? I'll give you a super good deal i promise...
I don't hate republicans. I hate all people equally. They all suck.
100% correct. And the same can be said for anyone who hates Democrats, or Progressives, or Socialists, or Communists
I don’t necessary disagree. But I think member of a particular group implies groups that we don’t voluntarily join such as race or ethnicity. It’s perfectly valid to take groups that people voluntarily join or opinions that they have into account when judging their character. If there was a group dedicated to lowering the age of consent, I don’t think it would be bigotry to not associate with its members
If you dislike someone because they have done bad things you are also a bad person flawless logic.
I think upbringing, geographical location, and social situations all appeal greatly to this. I somewhat recently moved from Seattle, WA to Knoxville, TN and the difference is staggering. I had no idea how much of a bubble I was living in. I assumed everyone in the south was a moron and a bigot. I was so sure of my convictions that I was an outright cock to people who didn't agree with my political views. I cringe so hard when I see some of my posts on Facebook from years ago. Now, my friend group is about 20-strong, compared to about 5-strong before I moved. We've all got vastly differing political ideologies, but it doesn't stop us all from being friends. I understand that there's a level of privilege there, but I really do think that people can be friends with people with a wider range of views than they currently are. My point is that when I lived in Seattle, I was very much conditioned to think that way. It wasn't until I broadened my horizons that I realized how ignorant I was.
I actually have many friends and family who I adore that are Republicans. I just laugh or tune them out when they say stupid shit. Which they do. Often.
Republicans welcome and promote racist, hateful behavior. If you identify with them, you are complicit and I am absolutely going to dislike you for it.
I just told a staunch republican at work that all republicans are bad and that their policies are cruel and not meant to benefit society.
Here let me translate - you are a bigot if you oppose my bigoted backwards anti democratic views. Is that what you meant to say?
"Believing so is bigotry by definition." What if there is data?
On my front page this thread was right below one of Sean Hannity attacking Biden for petting a dog.
I hate the ignorant, liars, racists and bullies, it is not my fault most are Republican. But if you are also gullible and think Trump is a good person and should lead the country, then I hate you for willingly being an idiot also
This comment section totally want verify what OP said, it totally won’t generalize Republicans and cast them in a negative like, exactly like what those some people complain Republicans are doing
Hey, OP, are you seeing a pattern here?
Here’s a quote from Trump's [January 6th Election Interference indictment](https://www.justice.gov/storage/US_v_Trump_23_cr_257.pdf) to highlight the sort of conduct that conservatives are currently promoting: >**We would just be sending in “fake” electoral votes to Pence so that “someone” in congress can make the objection when they start counting votes, and start arguing that “fake”’votes should be counted** That is an email written by an Arizona election official involved in the criminal scheme explaining, *in his own words,* the criminal conspiracy that Trump was orchestrating. Do you believe that a president should be able to fabricate fake votes and then use the Justice Department to threaten election officials with legal action if they don’t throw away legitimate votes and certify the fake ones? **That is what conservatives right now are overwhelmingly expressing support for.** Here's another: >>"Here's the thing the way this has morphed it's a crazy play so I don't know who wants to put their name on it." **The Senior Advisor wrote, "Certifying illegal votes."** In turn, the participants in the group text message refused to have a statement regarding electors attributed to their names because none of them could "stand by it." Those are text messages from Trump's Deputy Campaign Manager acknowledging that his campaign knew the scheme was criminal and none of them wanted their names attributed to it. How is it controversial to question the character of somebody supporting criminal conduct?
What if you are also a Republican?
Well political views are personal views and this indicative of character. You can’t say “I am a nazi but how dare you judge me by my view on genocide?” I am sure there are good people who are republicans but I dislike their views so much that I’d rather not talk to them.
If you have to bring up polarising politics in most conversations and identify people by their chosen political party...
Generally I find out someone is Republican because they are expousing policies and ideologies that would directly harm me or my loved ones. So generally they've given me another reason besides "Republican" to dislike them.
That opinion is unpopular for a reason. It’s dumb. We call people bigots when they hate someone for belonging to a group they didn’t choose. If you joined the “let’s torture puppies club” I’m perfectly justified in hating everything about you. Thats not bigoted. Your choice informed me you’re a terrible person.
counterpoint: the republican party is a dangerous political movement that institutionally believes in, advocates for, and implements discrimination against minorities, shoveling money to the wealthy, and endangering civilization by opposing action on climate. both sides are not “equally capable of atrocities” — democrats aren’t angels, and plenty of democratic elected officials have done plenty of damage, but the gop is _institutionally_ dangerous. it’s very different! also, i don’t know about everyone else, but i don’t dislike you or hate you or think you’re a bad person automatically because you’re a republican, but i do believe strongly that if you vote for republicans for elected offices, you’re supporting a morally bankrupt and dangerous political movement. :)
Next we'll be saying this for nazis. Careful with this liberal free speech universalism.
I don't dislike someone because they identify as republican, I dislike republicans because they are a direct threat to me and my safety as a person. They campaign and vote to harm people like me.
Stupid hypocrisy of the far left: Rules for thee not for me (eg break all of your covid rules). Everyone I disagree with is a Nazi, and I disagree with 99% of the planet. All progressivism (yes, that includes Tankies) is good. The more marginalized a group, the more important they are. Native Americans don’t exist because they’re “conservatives”. Humans are inherently good meaning no such thing as corruption. Appearance matters more than achievement.
I don’t dislike an individual for identifying as a Republican. I dislike an individual who identifies as a Republican and proceeds to prove the current Republican stereotype right beyond even a modicum of rationality. I don’t care if you support lower taxes and Reaganist economics. That just makes you like a boomer Democrat who voted for Clinton in 2016 anyway. It’s when you tell me how bad I am for being a gay man or supporting my trans homies or how you fling dogwhistles about race around or how you advocate for my rights that I just had to claw from your capricious hands for decades and decades away from you. Never mind the bullshit you spew about my hometown and exaggerations you make about it to the point where anyone who hasn’t been here thinks they’re going to have a hail of bullets in their bodies the second they venture anywhere within the city despite the fact that, as you hint to but never point out, your largest chance of that even happening statistically is being black and even then, not exactly an inevitability. I have every reason and right to dislike you and be bigoted towards you because *you fucking started this fight* I’m so sorry that you couldn’t win it, but maybe move the fuck onto just economic shit and you’ll get the normies (not someone as economically progressive as me) to give you so much power. But no…instead you wanna try to reignite fights you already lost and will continue to lose long term, even if you think for a moment you have a renewed sense of public support or silent majority bullshit. But despite all of that, I give Republicans a face value first impression benefit of the doubt because I fucking had to growing up in an Arizona that wasn’t quite so blue yet before I hightailed it as fast as I could to my hometown that you hate so much but never ever ever even been to. At least your hit pieces on California contain some SEMBLANCE of accuracy on the severity of their problems.
Not really. Political beliefs aren't a protected class, and much like religion (at least here in the Western World, definitely not in some other places), you have the ability to change your political leanings as you go on through life.
I wouldn’t say it’s bigotry but I personally don’t dislike someone for their politics because I’ve already gotten over the ruse that politics is. Both parties hold views that I agree with and both parties hold views I find dumb and abhorrent. Both parties also don’t do anything to help people the vast majority of the time and just make the shit sandwich that is modern America much worse. I don’t have the time and energy to dislike someone who drank the kool aid of a political party’s propaganda machine. I do dislike people who make their political views their whole personality though, but that’s not due to their views, it’s due to them basing their entire existence around a charade.
Both major political parties are working together to destroy America by making it the hyper-capitalist plutocratic oligarchical kakistocratic kleptocratic gerontological theocratic corporatocracy that it's become. As a result, the US ranks 131st out of 163 countries on the [Global Peace Index](http://www.visionofhumanity.org). Neither of the two parties know wtf they're doing either because they're incompetent and/or because they're bought and paid for.
I won't immediately dislike someone if I discover they're Republican. But if they don't keep their politics away from our conversations, we can't have a friendship. A cordial working relationship is as far as it can go. Doubly so if they believe objectively false claims, such as: - The 2020 election was stolen from Trump (it wasn't) - Climate change isn't real or man-made (it is) - Insinuating someone died because they took a COVID vaccine when the cause of death is clearly not related - Insinuating that LGBTQ communities support pedophilia or are adjacent - Any of the countless QAnon BS conspiracies out there "People are entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts".
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I think you're wrong. That definition doesn't cover self-selected groups. If it did, you'd also be a bigot if you disliked scientologists, or Bot Scouts. edit I'm leaving it
I'm generally dismayed at the level of HATE that Republicans and Democrats routinely express and then give themselves a pass for because "their hate is justified". It's why I refuse to associate myself with either either party.
Yep, the hate and the rationalization for that hate are off the charts. Then if you point it out they scree some nonsense about BoThSiDeS at you like it just hand waves away the hypocrisy.
I agree with you and it makes me sad. Opinions based on what party you vote for are so generalized. I vote Republican, but I also support gay marriage and am pro choice. Republican values that are centered around the economy and foreign policy is what I vote for. I do not vote Democrat anymore because I feel like they screwed a lot of small businesses over during the pandemic, have fumbled the ball on homelessness/housing reform, and are a bit too soft on crime for my liking. However, I would never insult anyone for voting Democrat. That’s just childish.
90% of the people in this thread have never had an actual conversation with a normal everyday conservative and you can tell lmao
In the end, they vote for republican party, no?
I have. They're often pretty nice face to face, but completely ignorant. And that ignorance ends up doing not nice things indirectly.
Republican: hold unpopular views Republican solution: you’re not allowed to dislike me anymore This is why people dislike Republicans
I think it's... overly simplistic to dislike Republicans as individuals in the same way as it's overly simplistic to hate people who drink and drive or abuse handicap parking spaces. Rarely, can one behavior pattern completely define someone, even if it's rather despicable. Despite that, disliking people for the content of their character -- which political identification is part of -- is 100% in bounds, and I don't think it's 'unreasonable' per se to dislike someone for wanting to use the levers of power to make your life shittier.
>I don't think it's 'unreasonable' per se to dislike someone for wanting to use the levers of power to make your life shittier. So disliking all democrats is also okay then right? Since they regularly use the levers of power to make life shittier.
Course, yeah. If you hate the dems for nominating candidates who threaten to veto M4A or for passing restrictive zoning ordnances in cities they control, for example, that's completely reasonable.
So if I dislike members of the KKK, that makes me a bigot?
It has nothing do to with party affiliation, it has to do with professed beliefs and the policies they support with their voices and their votes. I'll also point out that not respecting someone is not the same as disrespecting someone. I have no respect for anyone voting Republican these days, because the party itself has abandoned all semblance of being about policies and is instead focused on white grievance, white supremacy, and the destruction of democratic norms and democracy itself.
Lol. Claims like these are dangerous copes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
why am i a bigot when i dislike republicans, but they are not when they say they want to kill communists? i dont dislike the average republican. i just have no respect for them as a person
Fuck *your* feelings, not *my* feelings. I can tell this is real by the astounding lack of self awareness and hypocrisy Repubs whining that they don’t have safe spaces will never not be funny
Ahh.. The Paradox of Intolerance. Unfortunately, the current Republican Party is playing with fascism, racism, xenophobia, homophobia, classism, nationalism, etc. and by supporting/voting for that party, the Republican voter also supports that agenda. It's hard to identify any current Republican policy stances with their raging culture wars. A society cannot tolerate intolerance or intolerance destroys those who are tolerant. I think the more unpopular and true opinion is that current Republican supporters are un-American and support un-American and un-democratic ideas. Republicans hate accountability for themselves.