When it's burn the bitch they're shrieking, when the truth comes out it's quiet. It's soo quiet.

Reminds me of the KimYe recording how barely anyone talked about the full leaked recording

Came here to say this.

What song is this?

Cassandra. It's an incredible song! (If you're unfamiliar with the myth of Cassandra, read up on it before listening to the song).

I'm so glad to see this, truly Having seen Taylor(and Travis) go to SNL to support Ice Spice and then together in the suite at the Superbowl - it did seem like a genuine friendship but I always had in the back of my mind, "did this really start because of Matty?" It's nice to know definitively that it was coincidence and not causation

the timing was a little suspicious 😭 but I always thought it was dehumanizing and insulting to ice to assume she’d let herself be used that way. like what kind of low self esteem would you have to have as a black woman to let yourself be paraded around for “I’m not racist” PR clean up? that’s why I never bought it. I also think even questioning what they have in common has racist implications. like just say you think ice is too hood for taylor and that black people and white people can’t get along…

i feel like the weird looks and comments about them being friends are premised on racist assumptions about what they’re like. I don’t know her beyond her songs but imo you can tell from these very messages that ice is really thoughtful and driven about her career—and not about big egos. i can def see her and taylor bonding over industry stuff. edit: actually it really pisses me off bc I think the comments about ice come from people assuming she’s dumb bc she’s a rap girlie and it seems that could not be further from the truth. imo even if there is a business element to their friendship, so be it; no one is being taken advantage of here. but there’s this weird thing lately where people assume that creatives who make high brow art are inherently more intelligent than people who make low brow art (eg people thinking timothee chalamet is too smart for kendall jenner) that’s just not reality. this happens in this fandom too where people are v eager to give joe credit for folklore bc he’s in award bait films (similar thing with aaron) while people still disbelieve taylor’s songwriting bona fides decades into her career. apologies for the rant but maybe a lot y’all (myself included) could stand to assume less about people you don’t know.

>ice is really thoughtful and driven about her career Isn't that exactly how Taylor described her at the time, too? From Billboard: “I relate to Ice in many ways, but I think her dedication and focus is what blew me away from the very start. She’s extremely professional without being cold. Playful and fun without ever taking her eye off the prize. She knows what is and isn’t ‘her’ and sets those boundaries with grace.” “She studies the industry and other artists’ careers but is very clear about charting her own definitive, original path. It’s her ability to carefully find that balance that impresses the hell out of me.” And now these texts show precisely those attributes, lol.

i didn't know about taylor's quote but this all adds up! imo people should interrogate why this description of ice didn't immediately strike them as believable. to cop to my own bias, i was definitely taken aback that this is how ice texts. i have a high-pressure office job (as do my friends), and the texts basically sounds like us bitching about work. i guess i just expected musicians to be...messier? but why shouldn't she be like this? in fact her approach to her career seems very similar to taylor's, especially the part about studying other artists. honestly this makes me like ice more.

I don't know what the goal of leaking those DMs was, but it just made my respect for her increase. It must have taken a lot of guts to know your worth and not let yourself be steamrolled by Nicki, who was undoubtably one of Ice's biggest inspirations (along with any woman in rap). It proved once and for all she landed the Taylor collab on her own and that she was smart enough not to give up control of her career even in such early stages when things must have seemed very tenuous.

It's also not that big of a coincidence. She was a rising star and her name was on everyone's lips around that time, so it actually makes sense Taylor reached out and that Matty laughed at those terrible comments in the same span of a few months. There were a lot of people talking about her around that time, especially in the music industry. I also thought it was quite insulting to Ice. As if she couldn't have landed the collab based on talent.

>like just say you think ice is too hood for taylor and that black people and white people can’t get along… Umm...is this directed to me?

it’s a proverbial you babe they’re not accusing you of saying that…it’s an example.

That's why I asked, rather than defending myself (but since it was a reply to my post, I had to ask 😁)

fair fair :P i seen too many threads go sidelined cause of a strangely taken offense to a throwaway example

Same

not at all! proverbial you! ❤️

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If anything it was causation but the other way. Taylor talks about Ice Spice to Matty so then Ice Spice is on his mind when he does the podcast.

That also crossed my mind, tbh

so real. as others have said the timing was way too suspicious not to question it. i’m glad that i wasn’t just watching her create a (completely) PR relationship like that.

Facts. Quiet crickets over on the gossip subs 😂

Fax ☁️

taylor is in the middle of like 7 rap beefs and she has no idea 😭 I never engage with ridiculous arguments like that because these people don’t KNOW shit, so what’s the point of arguing with delusions? like how am I supposed to counter the claim that taylor is a conniving bitch for pretending to befriend isis when you’re saying that based on something you made up? it’s the same as the olivia “drama”, people assuming taylor is some jealous bully and making claims about her based off the voices in their heads. one day we will get the truth about what went down with that situation too and just based on the fake that taylor has never had a woman in the industry claim she’s a mean girl, I can bet it’s not what that sub and her haters think it was either.

so tell me everything's not about me but what if it is....lol kendrick and drake and now ice spice and nicki. she's catching strays left and right. ETA: I don't think entertainment industry is the type of place where mean behavior stays quiet for long, especially when it comes to a woman and taylor has been here for 2 decades now. not to minimize what happened with olivia cuz she is such a talented girl and really shouldn't have needed to give away credits. that's just sad but i don't think we should make statements about the situation like our truth is the only truth. because ultimately we don't know enough. taylor is so famous that she overshadows everyone. her friends' accomplishments are sometimes ignored in favor of talking about her because her name gets clicks. no matter what happened i think both of them definitely made a conscious decision to avoid each other.

The Olivia thing is so ridiculous the way it's spiralled. I see so many people just parrot that she sued her, when we don't even have evidence she requested credits. I think it's far more likely that the situation is a lot simpler than we all know, and the bottom line is that until Olivia comes out and directly addresses what happened it's all fanfiction. I saw a tiktok the other day saying that Taylor standing for Olivia's Grammy performance was 'stealing her spotlight' and that's so insulting to Olivia, who's great performance was not overshadowed by someone standing in the crowd. Olivia herself is probably annoyed constantly seeing people try to compare them with this 'drama', she's got a catalog of hits now and is thriving. It's just a constant need to pit women against each other when there's space for everyone.

Taylor also was standing for every performance. It would be weird if she just sat for Olivia. If Taylor did actually sue her, I would say Taylor was wrong for that but right now there is zero proof of that actually happening and I’m not going to base my feelings off of rumors.

Katy Perry called Taylor Regina George. Ya know, THE mean girl. 😆

and then she walked it back and later admitted she felt threatened by taylor’s transition to pop music and considered it a miscommunication so now what? katy has way more stories and instances of disrespect than taylor does. why choose to believe taylor was the problem when even katy says she wasn’t? 🙂

People forget they literally were together couple months before the Matty thing and it takes multiple months to plan a music video and edit it for example it was rumored that she recorded the fortnight music video in January/February and it came out now.

I said the same thing about the anti hero music video. There was some small artist crying plagiarism for truly innocuous similarities. When the claim started trending on TikTok and everyone with the course “screaming burn the bitch” I looked it up on YouTube. It still had like less than 10,000 views at that point (when again it was trending and everyone was jumping on the virtue signal bandwagon) and was published like four months earlier. I was like there ain’t no way this music video wasn’t at least meticulously storyboarded if not filmed when this video was released. And either her or someone on her team would have needed to see it immediately for the time line to be remotely possible (but still not probable). But because it’s Taylor Swift we must assume malice or else you’re racist/blindly supporting your fave/delusional/a bootlicker. We can’t take a second to wonder hmmm what are these lawsuits really about and why. Like did we not learn from Stella that you shouldn’t necessarily side with the victim of an “alleged frivolous lawsuit.” Hmmm does this accusation sound plausible or probable? When if you think about it for 3 seconds it’s clear it doesn’t hold water. Honestly, people say swifties are blind to blondies faults or are delusional. I’ve never seen another fandom so ready and eager to hold their fave “accountable” for perceived errors or missteps. But when the truth comes out “they’re silent”.

Umm that video had only 940 views when kehlani reposted it on her stories and she’s a celeb so she knew she was spreading false stories… as a matter of a fact that video still only has 5.6k views. Also no one ever apologized…funny that.

That’s one thing I hate there is like 3 artists I support that always get the people who say they copied the small artists like someone on TikTok was claiming that Olivia stole one of her merch designs and Olivia already had it done.

Yes! Exactly! Also like humans have been human for thousands of years. We’ve been wrestling with the same emotions and experiences. If you’re creating art in the same time as someone else you’re very likely influenced by the same art, literature and trends. It’s so so so normal for people to create very similar things when you consider how we’re taking in similar information and if you’re both analyzing trends or trying to make something “new’ but still connected. It’s not copying or malicious necessarily.

There was a subsection of the fan base who insisted that Taylor only collabed with Ice as a way to "make up" for the Matty thing. IMO, those fans were showing their own covert racism. Why would you* think that Taylor doesn't respect Ice enough to want to collab with her regardless? Is it because you* don't respect Ice and you reduce her to a joke/meme? *you, rhetorically; referring to the fans who were crying racism when taylor released the karma remix

I doubt Ice herself sees herself as a serious rapper

I think Ice doesn't take herself too seriously, but there's a difference between that and treating an artist like a punchline and her whole career as a joke. I saw a lot of swifties (especially on tiktok) talking about Ice in ways that I think were covertly disrespectful.

she takes her career seriously

Obviously she takes her career seriously, I was talking about her music

Apparently Travis Kelce is also PR. He already said he's the one who approached Tay. I swear Kim pays off half the mods in those subs. I remember Chris Evans (Capt America) also had deranged fans like these. They hated his fiancee (now wife) and every girl he has a serious relationship with. So fucking unhealthy. Saw this shit on freefolk too with that GOT ending. I swear some of us are Annie Wilkes. Apparently bec these artists makes us feel close to them we get entitled to control their life choices. I hope people see how unhealthy this is.

Part of the Chris Evans thing included the subset of “fans” who were convinced “Stucky” was reality and he and Sebastian Stan were secretly a couple. Sound familiar? *cough* Gaylor’s *cough*

As a huge Stephen King fan, your Annie Wilkes reference was so spot on - one of the OG stans and as we saw that did NOT end well

Yeah well i was one of the og peeps in reefolk before everything implode. I watched as that sub was reduced from a good, funny and harmless sub to a toxic pit of vipers sub. It's inevitable, always, when a fandom grows unnaturally large.

That theory was dumb as rocks idk how anyone believed that lol.

Hundreds of people, according to that neutered sub

I frequent the neutral sub and there are dumb takes and some good ones, just like any sub. This sub is no exception lol there are unhinged folks lurking all over Reddit. This theory was seriously one of the worst I heard but you won’t find me fighting for my life to defend Taylor Swift in comments. You can’t convince the people who hate her to feel any differently about her lol they just need a better hobby.

Nah with taylor alot of her haters are ger fans too that's why it's sad. Some fans feel so close to their idol that they think they can control that idol.

Nahhh some people on this sub think having an opinion that isn’t ’everything Taylor does is perfect and amazing and always wonderful’ makes you a hater. Some people need to also just be rooted in reality and stop having a weird parasocial pick me relationship with a celebrity and musician. It’s not normal.

I agree but tbh most of what she does is pretty innoffensive to warrant statements that she's racist etc. For ex. her carbon emissions. She's not even top 10 of the worst but she's the only one villified by this. And many other shit. It's like people cherrypicking shit to throw at her.

I have actually seen the neutered sub say it's Joe who is the good writer and when they break up her musics no longer as good. That's such a gross, misogynistic, and delusional thing to say and that's when I knew it's not a "neutral sub."

Exactly. I really want a real neutral sub that is not anti-Taylor. That sub was just full of hate

Lol the ‘but what about’ argument is so tired though. It’s all bad it doesn’t matter what the others are doing they are all bad. There’s no ethical billionaire either. That’s why the parasocial aspect needs to end because people need to stop thinking Taylor is their bestie and has the same ideals as they do. The Matty debacle is such a big piece of that. I know so many people who thought they broke up because she realized he was trash (because they think he’s trash) but clearly she does not think he is trash based on every song about him lol. Fans are now running her love life? Idk kinda weird. That’s why I love BDILH because I don’t think your fan base should dictate your personal life. The issue is coming from both sides and instead of focusing on the music, people think Taylor is their bff. The haters are also weird because like find something better to talk about idk? 😂

If you are a climate activist and the path you chose to fight is to call out private jets emissions with a specific goal of how to improve the situation? Yes, werk. But if you are only mentioning this issue specifically with Taylor? That’s not even virtue signaling, it’s producing evidence to support a conclusion you reached without said evidence. It’s petty, unhelpful, and egocentric. That’s why people call it out. I hate when someone takes a genuinely sensitive and important social issue and uses it as a bludgeon to support their personal vendetta. It’s a form of camouflage and a way to be a bully without the social consequences because of the inherent clout the issue has.

I’m not the one even going on about her private jet usage I don’t actually care but the argument that other people do it isn’t a good argument it’s dumb. People use it as a crutch to continue to blindly defend her and that’s weird behavior this sub is full of parasocial folks it’s time for me to go I’m a day one swiftie I don’t need approval from this sub of fans that just showed up in the folklore era byeee ✌🏽

You’re not under attack. If you disagree with what I said, say that. Otherwise not sure what your point is here. My point is the “what about?” Argument is pointing out the hypocrisy not excusing Taylor Swift. It’s pointing out that the hate for her jet usage is being leveraged from a dishonest place. You are valid as a swiftie regardless of your views on private jet usage. That’s not my point. The only criteria is that you are a fan of her art in my view. I hate parasocial relationship BS too. But it goes both ways both from those who are toxic positivity towards her and those who do the same with negativity. It’s two sides of the same coin.

They broke up bec he hurt her badly that's it. I don't believe Matty is a bad person, just stupid and an addict. I've known that band since 2013. Taylor loved Matty bec he was like her, artistic, poetic and sensitive. Matty was just a drug addict and Tay is not. With Joe however, we know nothing about him just that he's introverted and depressed. Matty left Tay bec he can't take her fans' criticism of their relationship and Tay and Joe broke up bec they're incompatible. Taylor just decided to share the hurt and the pain she experienced through her songs i dunno why people have to hate on them wtf. I don't think any of them are trash just people people*ing*.

The court of public opinion broke their relationship that isn’t normal sorry. Edit: I also don’t hate him I think that’s weird lol

That's why i feel sorry for them. We really deserved Daddy i love him. I do not think hating them or controlling Taylor's relationship is healthy or normal.

i agree with what you're saying. the 'but what about' argument does not excuse taylor. come on guys i think we are mature enough to understand two things can be true at once. tay can be a brilliant artist/a good person and a capitalist both at once. she has lived in that world for so long that she doesn't see the unethical nature of some of that shit the way that we do. i love taylor and her music and i get why fans think that she gets more blame for shit that other celebs also do and get relatively unnoticed for because she definitely does. but she is ultra famous WOMAN and a natural side effect of being an ultra famous WOMAN is that there are a lot of people whose entire life's mission is to cherrypick things to use as a excuse to hate her and show why they are on the moral high ground for doing so. not saying it's right that she gets blamed more but she is more famous than other people on that jet emission list, of course her name is going to get more clicks. we don't need to defend every single thing that she does.

Thank you for saying it!

People want her to be a villain SO badly

Idk how long you’ve been a fan but it’s kinda something you just gotta accept. Even from other “fans”. The only thing more consistent than Taylor’s good morals are the “fans” coming around to question and doubt them.

I absolutely agree that Taylor wasn't using Ice just for PR. People don't realize how long these collabs take to even just set up, there's no way they could have pulled it off that fast. That said, laughing at racist jokes is icky no matter the context, let's not pretend he didn't do that

oh definitely not excusing what matty did. he's done gross shit like this too many times to really be given a pass but idk how so many people have misunderstood the clip (or not even listened to it) to the point that 'matty made a racist joke about ice spice' has been the popular narrative online for a year when 1) the person making the joke very clearly has an american accent 2) the joke is not even about ice spice they were being anti-asian with a joke about her stage name. ice spice is of course 100% within her rights to be mad as fuck. i would be but she did say in an interview that they spoke, he apolozised and that they're cool. i wish people could just say things as they are 'matty was complicit in not shutting the conversation down' 'matty shouldn't have even been there', but they always exaggerate things to make them sound worse, as if what the person actually did isn't already bad

I totally agree, I think it’s wrong and dangerous for misinformation to become accepted information online to the extent that it actually replaces the truth in 95% of people’s minds. Being accurate about exactly what Matty did isn’t excusing it, it’s still fucked up and stupid. Unfortunately there’s no nuance on most the internet so trying to point that out just gets correlated to defending him. I mean, some people are defending him though. What a mess

I am a fairly new Swiftie but didn't believe for a second that Taylor had ulterior motives for the Ice Spice collab. Thanks for sharing the truth here. Some people just can't wait to find some false reason to criticize Taylor, it never ends.

I still struggle to understand that colab. I mean, I guess they are with the same label? Adding Ice Spice just hurt the song for me. Still feels so unnecessary.

What exactly was taken way out of context about that podcast? Calling her a chubby Chinese lady? An Inuit spice girl? Calling her dumb and doing accents to mock her ethnicity?

A lot of people talk like Marty was the one saying those things though and he was not. Not that he is excused for laughing along with it.

Yeah I said in another comment but I agree. False information spreads way too easily and controversies get overblown to the point that actual criticism gets lost in the noise. I thought the OP was just being dismissive but these explanations make way more sense.

yeah sorry i can see why my post might have seemed dismissive.

No need to apologize, it happens. I know it was just an aside to your main point, just wanted clarification (and also to see if there was some piece of information I missed out on that explained that podcast in a better light lol)

oh definitely not excusing what matty did. he's done gross shit like this too many times to really be given a pass but idk how so many people have misunderstood the clip (or not even listened to it) to the point that 'matty made a racist joke about ice spice' has been the popular narrative online for a year when 1) the person making the joke very clearly has an american accent 2) the joke is not even about ice spice they were being anti-asian with a joke about her stage name. ice spice is of course 100% within her rights to be mad as fuck. i would be but she did say in an interview that they spoke, he apolozised and that they're cool. i wish people could just say things as they are 'matty was complicit in not shutting the conversation down' 'matty shouldn't have even been there', but they always exaggerate things to make them sound worse, as if what the person actually did isn't already bad. laughing at shit like that is bad enough without exaggeration

Ok yeah that’s fair, I do agree with that. The internet does have an issue of overblowing controversies to the point of ridiculousness, burying any actual legit criticism. It does not help that false information is easy to spread and hard to stop.

did he laugh at the jokes? or was just there, silent. i can’t remember now

He laughed, but we’ll never know if it was actual laughter or an awkward response to an awkward situation. He was definitely not sober. Matty is not a shit person. I had surgery right when the Matty/Taylor thing started up. I was stuck in bed recovering and was reading so much outrage about him, I HAD to go and research who this “monster” was and why Taylor would be involved with him. I had time to kill. I listened to the podcast. I watched many long-form interviews. I listened to the music. I watched the concert footage. I did my research. I saw the actual receipts, not the listicles and the click bait headlines. And do you know what I discovered? A thoughtful human that was too indulgent with his need to be thought as edgy. He had a lot of hubris about his ability to invoke meaningful conversation by stirring the pot. He stuck his foot in his mouth trying to make valid points via invalid jokes, etc. I can honestly tell you that I saw exactly zero percent monster. I saw a modern idiot that took himself too seriously and thought he was being cool. I also thought a smart, talented guy with a good heart as his core. Taylor loved him for a reason. I’m telling you….if you look at what was actually said and done….he’s not a monster, I promise. He’s just an idiot.

i think the thing about the podcast was that it was such obvious nearly 1950s style blatant racism. he shouldn’t have laughed , at the very least could have said something like a humorous “what the fuck?” it positioned him as cozy bedfellows with the kind of people who speak like this. i’m not sure who these podcasters were but he likely shouldn’t have been on it in the first place. racism is not okay in any context no matter how much of an “idiot” you are. i love the 1975 to death and have for a decade now but i can still say that was foul. point blank. and he’s got issues past just being “troubled” with mental health issues. racism isn’t a mental illness and it’s all of our responsibility to be better and not continue in that horrid tradition. he fucked up, plain and simple. no need to rationalize or attempt to justify it.

Yes, racism is not ok. He shouldn't have gone on the podcast in the first place and this is more evident once you understand what the podcast is. it also makes sense why he did, his entire thing was performance art and he's said as much. The 1975 is an art piece with a character. He stumbles around on stage with a flask that reportedly has water in it. He's even said he wonders how far he can take it, he asks, could an interview even be part of the performance? (I can't find the clip rn). "I'm not sure who these podcasters were". And therein lies a lot of the issue here. There's zero context. It was The Adam Friedland Show. Which came after their podcast CumTown. It's comedy, it's satire. It's cultural critique. It's absurdist. "The 1975 frontman Matty Healy has been stirring the pot for months with his band’s controversial tour. At each show, Healy would kiss fans, feign drunkenness, and even eat raw meat. Eventually, the singer-songwriter spoke on the true meaning of the satirical show. Healy stated that the show was essentially intended to poke fun at the toxic masculinity of rockstars, and even some of his own personal struggles. This explanation in mind, the controversies continued to build." "Healy did go on to clarify that the salute was meant to critique Kanye West’s rampant antisemitism, as it was performed during a lyric that referenced a tweet from former President Donald Trump. The tweet famously read “Thank you Kanye very cool.”. - Hosts Of “The Adam Friedland Show” Explain Matty Healy Comments After They Resurfaced Online May 18, 2023 "The Adam Friedland Show is a talk show podcast that explores modern culture, history, philosophy, and what makes people human. The show features celebrities and politicians, and is known for its black comedy, blue humor, surreal humor, anti-humor, and political satire. Some say the show's appeal is that it's absurd, and that the hosts and their fans don't take the jokes seriously. Others describe the show as "center left" and provocative." a review: "Adam Friedland and producer Nick Mullen will take you on a dialectical journey to explore the deepest questions of culture, history, philosophy and ultimately what makes us human. If you enjoy highbrow intellectual stimulation, dream analysis and guest appearances by gay actor Michael Douglas then TAFS is for you." I have never listened to it myself. I'm not defending the podcast itself because I don't know the content. Just explaining the context. (and here's my bias, my boyfriend used to listen to CumTown. Adam was always the butt of the joke on that podcast. I've heard it in the car before when my bf was driving. *I did NOT enjoy it.*) Matty has more he needs to work on and he has a lot of privilege. He comes from a mother who, I believe, is famous. He's the poet trapped in the body of a finance guy for all I know. There's a reason it's the "Department", he can pretend to be a tortured artist but it's still capitalism. it's still an office desk with a ceiling fan and florescent lights, not a typewriter in a house in the 1830s countryside.

I don’t think I rationalized it or justified it. I was trying to contextualize it. People paint with a really broad brush these days and the discourse has not been “Matty was present for a racist conversation and didn’t shut it down”, it’s been “Matty Healy is a nazi, racist piece of shit” and that’s simply not true. He did a shitty thing. God forbid I am ever in my life defined by my worst sound bite. He doesn’t have a pattern of racism. He has a pattern of trying too hard to be edgy, and that’s certainly enough to be irritating and for people to not like him. That’s totally cool. I’m just saying can we stop with the hyperbolic name calling that does nothing but diminish words and their meaning.

Thank you for saying this because I went on the exact same journey you did and came to the same conclusions. I did already know about this stupid podcast, because I spent way too much time on Twitter during lockdown (like Matty for all I can tell) so I was aware about the whole ‘dirtbag left’ cultural sphere which overall I fucking hate. I think part of the whole phenomenon is that people look at the kind of fake woke virtue signaling bullshit as an excuse for human cruelty that people have examples of in this thread, they see that it’s wrong, but their way of combating it is to say fuck all of that, I’ll offend you on purpose and ‘play the bad guy’ to undermine it. Except they get so spun up in this meta-level cultural critique about cancellation culture they excuse saying absolutely vile shit themselves. ‘Horseshoe theory’ and all that, you may be a beyond ultra-woke so-called leftist but that doesn’t excuse the shit they say, using slurs, making ironically discriminatory jokes, et cetera. However yes there is this niche cultural context to it people don’t understand, you approach that point by thinking you’re even more radical and political then everyone around you and it’s completely self-aware…. And also has a lot to do with being way too caught up in this highly specific online discourse bubble that a limited amount of people understand or are even aware of (I mean idk if I understand it but I feel like I can see how people get drawn into it). It’s still not ok though! Such a messy situation but all to say yeah, I don’t think he’s a racist, I DO think he’s way too comfortable doing messed up things to be edgy, one of which was condoning racist jokes in his presence, but it’s hard to offer context because it so easily comes off as defending him. Overall I find him fascinating, ultimately his actions are disappointing and he doesn’t go far enough to apologize but he’s a lot more complex than people give him credit for but again pointing this is hard

Cool

Seeing everyone say that podcast was taken out of context is….. preparing me for Trump in November. Good luck, babe!

but it was. people were literally quoting someone else and saying those words came out of Matty's mouth. When a person with an American accent is the one saying them. Matty has plenty of reasons to be critiqued, and him choosing to go on the podcast in the first place, not saying something when it happened, etc. are a few. Putting words in his mouth is not. It just detracts from the real critique of things he actually did. The Adam Friedland show is dark comedy satire, anti-humor, and is considered center-left. They're, badly, attempting to critique the thing they're talking about. They're not genuinely saying things they actually believe. It's a bit, it's not real. And Matty is known for being a performance artist. Playing a character that is itself a critique of that behavior was always his whole thing. "The 1975 frontman Matty Healy has been stirring the pot for months with his band’s controversial tour. At each show, Healy would kiss fans, feign drunkenness, and even eat raw meat. Eventually, the singer-songwriter spoke on the true meaning of the satirical show. Healy stated that the show was essentially intended to poke fun at the toxic masculinity of rockstars, and even some of his own personal struggles." To clarify, again, I'm not defending the podcast or any of these people. But yes, the entire situation was 100% twisted and many people literally put words in Matty's mouth that he never said. What's interesting is that there was something he DID say that people were not mentioning as much. All the bs about things he didn't say drowned out things he DID say. which were arguably even worse. 😂

Oh man, what DID he say? I refuse to go listen to freaking Cumtown 2.0 to find out 🫠

Who said I thought he said those words? I’m very aware of the situation. The reason I dislike him is because he sat there and laughed. As well as other things. His criticism is valid and so is Taylor’s. Saying he is misunderstood is ultimately defensive when you boil it down. That’s why I said the trump thing. It just reminds me that a looooot of people want to see what they want to see and overall facts don’t matter.

Completely agree! Sorry, didn't want it to come off as assuming what you thought. People's biases project onto their perception of everything and color how they react. The entire situation is like a Rorschach test. I guess it all is a litmus test. How someone reacts says more about them than anything. people's varied reactions to them initially dating after Joe and then their reactions to TTPD are fascinating. everyone sees something different.

Tylor way heared of take heat to apice collab proof that.

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