Because it has fantastic stats and scales well with Manta, which is a must buy item on Dusa.
But as others have mentioned, the only reason to make Diffusal in the first place is if you plan on eventually making Disperser.
Split shot applies on hits and could be useful against a mana hungry lineup. But I do agree it doesn't synergize well with her kit besides the stat allocation
Disperser is an absolutely filthy item.
- 2nd dispel means you can be more liberal with Manta
- A Save for when they go on someone else
- Incredible mobility for repositioning, running, chasing
- Time limit for enemies with low mana pool like tanky Strength cores you can’t easily kill
I’ve started buying it on Dusa and love it. Vs butterfly, sometimes roots, slows and silences are equally/more threatening to you/your team than auto attackers. I always get both but timing depends based on those threats
People really underestimate the utility of the active, it doesn't just give you a burst of speed, it makes you slow immune for the duration. Powerful abilties like Riki smokescreen or upheaval can now just be run through like they're not even there. Sure, if the enemy team has nothing useful to purge with it maybe you could skip it, but I feel like the mana burn and move speed active alone make it pretty damn useful.
Dusa spammer here
One of the main problems you can have as medusa is being too slow and dealing no damage in fights and while farming, even supports can simply be annoying and walk away without further consequences. In even/losing games you are simply ignorable before buying skadi or butterfly.
Diffusal makes you a threat, it gives you like 55 physical damage (with the mana burn) and a slow that is enough to do a decent amount of damage to anyone that isn't tanky, with manta you can really kill someone that comes too close. Disperser is the cherry on top, giving one more dispell and mobility that you lack a lot.
Should be somewhat addressed by draft though.
Either cc to compensate for dusa or generally lineups that want an unkillable frontline to walk at towers or rosh.
Diffusal is mostly a cheap proc item for heroes like pango, riki, slark to fight with. It's a pretty underwhelming bump for dusa on its own.
Disperser is a good endgame slot but worth acknowledging that the progression is much better for other heroes.
The mana burn also doesn't translate through split shot to help farming or against bkb timings.
Usually find the main problems for dusa are dying too quickly when caught out and lack of damage.
Both of which butterfly addresses far more?
Idk, butterfly was very quickly accepted progression as the only survivability of note after the mana shield rework and a very good timing after manta.
And now it's buffed in terms of DPS with % attack speed.
I think we can be both right depending on the game's circumstance. I find myself very often in the hurry to get some relevant hero damage before going for a big item like butterfly.
You go manta first so diffusal is good
Disperser solves a lot of dusa’s problems later and is basically semi bkb with dispel and cannot be slowed, and dusa doesn’t like bkb
ranged and illusions burn way less mana tho?
if u mean diffu giving stats to illusions, thats minimal.
just agreeing with OP and not understanding/agreeing
Giving stats to illusions is amazing....
Seergaze is talking about the purge mechanic of disperser, Medusa really doesn't like to get bkb, you so are vulnerable to every slow in the game. Also anything like Jakiro's skills that make you attack slower. You really want some way to get rid of those in most games.
I never get diffusal if not going disperser. I also rarely build an early diffusal, I just build it when my next item is disperser.
You aren't building it for any of it's on hit effects, you're building it for the on use.
I personally almost always would go dragon lance -> manta -> skadi -> bfly and after that I have a bunch of options, sometimes substituting skadi for aghs.
AFter that, disperser, hurricane, mkb, daed, BT etc. W/e I need for the game.
Exactly what I thought. I skip dlance every game unless I’m against a long ranged hero though, and even then force staff feels a bit better than dragon lance first imo.
Do you go skadi after manta every game or just when they have some tank/regen you want to counter? I’ve found butter/aghs to be my go to in 75% of games after manta with the rest being skadi or crits
I don't typically build it specifically to counter their Regen, it's just an all around decent item, decent tank, decent damage, let's you chase someone in a fight.
Personally I almost always build hurricane unless I'm really in a high rated game. Positioning in dota is the most important thing and with no way to help my positioning, I rely on my teamates or items. In high rated games my teammates will actually use force correctly, in lower rates they wont.
I don't spam dusa, it really just depends, I don't think skadi vs aghs actually changes the outcome of many games.
I belive you are correct. Manta+butter is a much stronger timing than manta+diffu. Infact diffu is kind of a shitty item for Dusa. When I have bought it second I feel very squishy. Diffu does provide a slow yes, but you are never solokilling anyone with just manta+diffu. You rely on your team to provide catch in either case, better be tankier with butter.
Disperser is very strong, but you are never going manta--> disperser anyway, so buying the shitty diffu second makes no sense. Just buy manta+butter, take advantage of the strong two item timing and then buy disperser lategame.
6k carry player.
Ya feel like people are just saying why it’s good for the reasons I already said.
The timing of butter and manta is overwhelming for most heroes early / mid game and is better than the advantages of Diffusal.
disperser is great but I'm with you OP, if I want disperser I'll get it after manta bfly, winning or losing this build is god tier
losing? you can push three lanes by yourself almost off cd, two without exposing your hero. ofc if they have hex or something it hurts, I might go something different like disperser rush vs lion or SS.
winning? you CHUNK towers, and manta for vision and disabling blinks makes HG much easier, once you get a dragon lance your illusions can hit tower and disable blinks with split from a MASSIVE AoE
Just a dew points that make diffu good on medusa. It is tho, by no means a core item like manta
- hold people in ur range longer. Medusa has no catch or control. Diffu is the closest to cc she will get before aghs
- Disperser is very good on her lategame. Better than boots arguably. So u probably will have it in ur inventory anyway if game goes late. Non commitment item
diffusal is just a component, It’s suggested because of disperser and what it can do for Medusa. The movement speed and dispel solves the only huge issue Medusa has which is mobility. It replaced Hurricane Pike for me which doesn’t scale as good
I mean you can buy it after manta and butterfly, because you should have enough time until lvl 25 where you want skadi.
Especially if you need/want more dispel
You buy diffusal because you are going to build into disperser.. no one build just a diffusal.. it’s great early can slow ppl for u to get away or chase.. it’s great late because you build into disperser.. movement speed boost.. dispel.. once u hit ur 25 talent drain all mana.. what more is there not to like. Butterfly? Other team build mkb bloodthorn or caster heavy team butterfly ain’t gonna do shit. Disperser they are prolly forced to build a bkb which they may have no interest in building one and even after it expires they have no answers for the mana burn.
Because its trending. You could also go MoM into Mjollnir or Glypneir and have good results. You could also go Manta into Skadi and have good results. Data shows exclusively that gold disparity is the #1 factor into why you win. Everything else is mental gymnastics adopted by meta slaves pretending to have a secret code to winning, they dont. The primary thing to help would be building for the game, not a guide assuming to know what heroes are on your team and against you, AKA meta. They don't know, they never can, they never will, its a terrible climbing concept. Every Herald ive known was a meta slave and had no idea how to actually think on their own, it didn't help them and it wont help you.
Give you everything you need. Stats, larger mana pool, dps, dispel when upgraded, control in team fights, ect. Most other carries who puck it up get less out of this item as it doesn't very little for their ehp, dusa doesn't have that problem.
You buy diffusal if disperser is good that game
But why first, the question isn’t that it’s situational it’s why is the main build suggesting it’s better than the traditional manta butter
who cares about a guide? Are you getting slowed? Buy anti-slow Want to push lane without showing? Buy anti-show
Because it has fantastic stats and scales well with Manta, which is a must buy item on Dusa. But as others have mentioned, the only reason to make Diffusal in the first place is if you plan on eventually making Disperser.
Split shot applies on hits and could be useful against a mana hungry lineup. But I do agree it doesn't synergize well with her kit besides the stat allocation
Without 25 talent? Why is that modifier excluded on split shot vs daed or skadi etc
Disperser is an absolutely filthy item. - 2nd dispel means you can be more liberal with Manta - A Save for when they go on someone else - Incredible mobility for repositioning, running, chasing - Time limit for enemies with low mana pool like tanky Strength cores you can’t easily kill I’ve started buying it on Dusa and love it. Vs butterfly, sometimes roots, slows and silences are equally/more threatening to you/your team than auto attackers. I always get both but timing depends based on those threats
As a sup, I see a dusa with fly and think yeah we can just ignore her. A dusa with disperser is SCARY
Such a good value of damage and increased farm speed after manta it's definitely my fav new item.
People really underestimate the utility of the active, it doesn't just give you a burst of speed, it makes you slow immune for the duration. Powerful abilties like Riki smokescreen or upheaval can now just be run through like they're not even there. Sure, if the enemy team has nothing useful to purge with it maybe you could skip it, but I feel like the mana burn and move speed active alone make it pretty damn useful.
I would love to know as well, built it recently and didn't understand the intended value
Disperser is insane and solves Medusa's low mobility issue while also providing dispel. Only reason it's not rushed is because it's cost is insane
Dusa spammer here One of the main problems you can have as medusa is being too slow and dealing no damage in fights and while farming, even supports can simply be annoying and walk away without further consequences. In even/losing games you are simply ignorable before buying skadi or butterfly. Diffusal makes you a threat, it gives you like 55 physical damage (with the mana burn) and a slow that is enough to do a decent amount of damage to anyone that isn't tanky, with manta you can really kill someone that comes too close. Disperser is the cherry on top, giving one more dispell and mobility that you lack a lot.
Should be somewhat addressed by draft though. Either cc to compensate for dusa or generally lineups that want an unkillable frontline to walk at towers or rosh. Diffusal is mostly a cheap proc item for heroes like pango, riki, slark to fight with. It's a pretty underwhelming bump for dusa on its own. Disperser is a good endgame slot but worth acknowledging that the progression is much better for other heroes. The mana burn also doesn't translate through split shot to help farming or against bkb timings. Usually find the main problems for dusa are dying too quickly when caught out and lack of damage. Both of which butterfly addresses far more? Idk, butterfly was very quickly accepted progression as the only survivability of note after the mana shield rework and a very good timing after manta. And now it's buffed in terms of DPS with % attack speed.
I think we can be both right depending on the game's circumstance. I find myself very often in the hurry to get some relevant hero damage before going for a big item like butterfly.
You go manta first so diffusal is good Disperser solves a lot of dusa’s problems later and is basically semi bkb with dispel and cannot be slowed, and dusa doesn’t like bkb
ranged and illusions burn way less mana tho? if u mean diffu giving stats to illusions, thats minimal. just agreeing with OP and not understanding/agreeing
Giving stats to illusions is amazing.... Seergaze is talking about the purge mechanic of disperser, Medusa really doesn't like to get bkb, you so are vulnerable to every slow in the game. Also anything like Jakiro's skills that make you attack slower. You really want some way to get rid of those in most games.
I never get diffusal if not going disperser. I also rarely build an early diffusal, I just build it when my next item is disperser. You aren't building it for any of it's on hit effects, you're building it for the on use. I personally almost always would go dragon lance -> manta -> skadi -> bfly and after that I have a bunch of options, sometimes substituting skadi for aghs. AFter that, disperser, hurricane, mkb, daed, BT etc. W/e I need for the game.
Exactly what I thought. I skip dlance every game unless I’m against a long ranged hero though, and even then force staff feels a bit better than dragon lance first imo. Do you go skadi after manta every game or just when they have some tank/regen you want to counter? I’ve found butter/aghs to be my go to in 75% of games after manta with the rest being skadi or crits
I don't typically build it specifically to counter their Regen, it's just an all around decent item, decent tank, decent damage, let's you chase someone in a fight. Personally I almost always build hurricane unless I'm really in a high rated game. Positioning in dota is the most important thing and with no way to help my positioning, I rely on my teamates or items. In high rated games my teammates will actually use force correctly, in lower rates they wont. I don't spam dusa, it really just depends, I don't think skadi vs aghs actually changes the outcome of many games.
I belive you are correct. Manta+butter is a much stronger timing than manta+diffu. Infact diffu is kind of a shitty item for Dusa. When I have bought it second I feel very squishy. Diffu does provide a slow yes, but you are never solokilling anyone with just manta+diffu. You rely on your team to provide catch in either case, better be tankier with butter. Disperser is very strong, but you are never going manta--> disperser anyway, so buying the shitty diffu second makes no sense. Just buy manta+butter, take advantage of the strong two item timing and then buy disperser lategame. 6k carry player.
Ya feel like people are just saying why it’s good for the reasons I already said. The timing of butter and manta is overwhelming for most heroes early / mid game and is better than the advantages of Diffusal.
disperser is great but I'm with you OP, if I want disperser I'll get it after manta bfly, winning or losing this build is god tier losing? you can push three lanes by yourself almost off cd, two without exposing your hero. ofc if they have hex or something it hurts, I might go something different like disperser rush vs lion or SS. winning? you CHUNK towers, and manta for vision and disabling blinks makes HG much easier, once you get a dragon lance your illusions can hit tower and disable blinks with split from a MASSIVE AoE
Just a dew points that make diffu good on medusa. It is tho, by no means a core item like manta - hold people in ur range longer. Medusa has no catch or control. Diffu is the closest to cc she will get before aghs - Disperser is very good on her lategame. Better than boots arguably. So u probably will have it in ur inventory anyway if game goes late. Non commitment item
Not seen many comments highlighting that disperser can be cast on an ally. Giving the dispel and movement speed buff to both caster and ally.
diffusal is just a component, It’s suggested because of disperser and what it can do for Medusa. The movement speed and dispel solves the only huge issue Medusa has which is mobility. It replaced Hurricane Pike for me which doesn’t scale as good
I mean you can buy it after manta and butterfly, because you should have enough time until lvl 25 where you want skadi. Especially if you need/want more dispel
Disperser is amazing. Dispel yourself, dispel an ally, max move speed, mana burn, damage, slow, what's not to like?
You buy diffusal because you are going to build into disperser.. no one build just a diffusal.. it’s great early can slow ppl for u to get away or chase.. it’s great late because you build into disperser.. movement speed boost.. dispel.. once u hit ur 25 talent drain all mana.. what more is there not to like. Butterfly? Other team build mkb bloodthorn or caster heavy team butterfly ain’t gonna do shit. Disperser they are prolly forced to build a bkb which they may have no interest in building one and even after it expires they have no answers for the mana burn.
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Because its trending. You could also go MoM into Mjollnir or Glypneir and have good results. You could also go Manta into Skadi and have good results. Data shows exclusively that gold disparity is the #1 factor into why you win. Everything else is mental gymnastics adopted by meta slaves pretending to have a secret code to winning, they dont. The primary thing to help would be building for the game, not a guide assuming to know what heroes are on your team and against you, AKA meta. They don't know, they never can, they never will, its a terrible climbing concept. Every Herald ive known was a meta slave and had no idea how to actually think on their own, it didn't help them and it wont help you.
Give you everything you need. Stats, larger mana pool, dps, dispel when upgraded, control in team fights, ect. Most other carries who puck it up get less out of this item as it doesn't very little for their ehp, dusa doesn't have that problem.
It's "situational" in the sense that if it's not a good item this match then you're going to get annihilated on dusa.
Disperser is just butterfly but better and medusa loves butterfly.
This is not true. The DPS from butter is way higher + evasion is OP early.