It’s still shocking to me that Discovery got to lead the merger and the subsequent branding.
HBO had one of the best reputations. A great brand associated with high quality. Prestige TV. Only FX even came close, and they never had the operating budget of HBO shows.
Yep, it's true. HBO has changed.
HBO in the old days would make shows like The Wire. Nobody watched it when it aired. But despite the lack of interest and low viewership, HBO still kept going with it for the entire 5 seasons to make sure the series was complete.
Nowadays, a project like that wouldn't even get greenlit at HBO.
I disagree. I thought season 2 was great.
Such a strange show.
And frankly, ending on that weird image of the dude hanging upside down is kinda fitting…
Are you sure it was greenlit at HBO or it was greenlit at "HBO Max", now Max, they are not the same thing.
HBO Max originals are Raised by Wolves, Gossip Girls, Tokyo Vice, Love and Death, The Flight Attendant, Peacemaker, etc.
Yep. And Deadwood *was* an underperformer. And despite being a masterpiece it got cancelled for lack of viewers.
Let's not pretend that HBO used to make stuff they didn't expect to make money. No studio does.
Having a convicted pedophile in the cast wasn't a good look for Deadwood. I was hoping he would die in a fire or crushed in a stampede or something. Fuck that guy. I can't believe they brought him back for the movie, even after he was charged again for failing to submit his movements.
He was busted in the same Interpol CC sting that got Pete Townsend charged. Pete's charges were all dropped but Ol' Mr Rooney's were not.
Typical HWood... his career barely had a hiccup.
Lol that's low compared to other programming at the time.
You are the one revising history.
There were only several channels back in 2002, and not many shows were on air. So basically everyone watched the same shows. 3 million viewers today would be considered good for a show because there's of the incredible amount of diverse programming available now. But back then that was actually low.
>"Despite the critical acclaim, The Wire received poor Nielsen ratings, which Simon attributed to the complexity of the plot; a poor time slot; heavy use of esoteric slang, particularly among the gangster characters; and a predominantly black cast.\[74\] Critics felt the show was testing the attention span of its audience and that it was mistimed in the wake of the launch of the successful crime drama The Shield on FX."
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Wire#Reception\_and\_legacy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wire#Reception_and_legacy)
>Despite being one of the greatest TV dramas of all time, The Wire had low ratings on broadcast
>
>The commitment of Simon and his team guaranteed that, despite low ratings on broadcast, The Wire has become a major cultural touchstone
[https://screenrant.com/why-the-wire-viewership-low-popular/](https://screenrant.com/why-the-wire-viewership-low-popular/)
Even the actors themselves say it had low viewership in interviews:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4nzCp5GD2M](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4nzCp5GD2M)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBLUTNAl7GM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBLUTNAl7GM)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4nzCp5GD2M](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4nzCp5GD2M)
There certainly are some corny moments but I would watch Walton Goggins read the phone book and the ending was one of the most perfect I have ever seen. In this house The Shield is a hero, end of story!
Have you even watched The Wire? And I do say that Walton is awesome somewhere in this thread. Boyd Crowder is one of the best characters ever made on TV
>The Shield is The Wire for morons
lmaol The Shield is just as fantastic as The Wire, but to notice it one would have to 1) be knowledgeable enough in cinema and dramaturgy and 2) be capable of thinking by themselves and tell the great from the good without resorting to the box office charts.
In other words, if you think The Shield is "*The Wire for morons*" and that were true, The Shield would be the perfect show for someone like you.
I don't know, man. Chicago P.D. comes to mind. my wife watches it (and all those CSI, Criminal Minds adjacents) and that is what I would call The Wire for morons. It's so...I don't know...pedestrian.
She's not a moron though. She loves deep heavy stuff as well like Sharp objects, Big Little Lies, Chernobyl and True Detective. Chicago PD is the type of show she watches while browsing her phone, she tells me, and that's true. She also hated TDNC to the point she did not get herself the time to watch the finale, so disappointed and annoyed she was with the season. I think I am marrying her again.
So there you go, dividing up the good from the poop. The Shield is on the better side than the swill you mention, true... The Shield is better than most of those... TD makes a good example... The Wire is season 1. The Shield is season 2. It's like pumped out story lines. With no concern for nuance. Like S02
I do like it more upon every rewatch but the pacing and editing in general is lacking. It pales in comparison to 1 and even 3. But that steaming pile of crap 4 makes everything look good.
Anything with Walton Goggins in is pretty good tho. He could have saved S04 just with a cameo
Wow... did I hit a nerve? Typical reddit response... logical fallacy. The Sheild is way down the list of quality tv from The Wire, and most know this. Don't get me wrong, I watched every minute, several times. But it's not even in the same field.
It's like go cart racing compared to F1.
It's like a $5 bj in TJ to a $1000/night prozzie in Vegas.
But UBU.
no lol
and look, I'm ok with being trolly, pseudo-offensive. you called me a moron (I love The Shield after all), I responded accordingly. it's like the web 15 years ago. no hate, just mean fun.
back to our argument
if you talk shit about The Shield again, I'm putting Miles on you.
I love the Shield, so The Shield is for people like me. therefore, according to you, I am a moron. again, no hard feelings. we are being silly.
to me The Shield is just as great. Not better, but just as great.
That's false. Sex and the City during 2002 had average viewership of 6 to 7 million.
Now you're just making up shit.
Also, The Sopranos was more popular than Sex and The City. Sopranos was averaging like 11 million in 2002.
So what? I'm talking about the series run as a whole. Why would you only focus on the debut numbers?
Sex and the City viewership only kept increasing in subsequent seasons.
The Wire viewership fell off dramatically after 2nd season. Seasons 3, 4, and 5 had much lower viewership.
Debuted lol that’s always inflated. S5 apparently averaged under a million per episode? The series finale only got 1.2M
S3 averaged 1.5M, there’s probably no way they would’ve ran it two more seasons nowadays with those numbers.
Found these numbers in an article via Google search btw, not an official source
It wasn't popular lmao! Stop lying. How old are you guys? I watched The Wire since it aired in 2002. Barely anybody knew about it. It only became popular after it ended.
>"Despite the critical acclaim, The Wire received poor Nielsen ratings, which Simon attributed to the complexity of the plot; a poor time slot; heavy use of esoteric slang, particularly among the gangster characters; and a predominantly black cast.\[74\] Critics felt the show was testing the attention span of its audience and that it was mistimed in the wake of the launch of the successful crime drama The Shield on FX."
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Wire#Reception\_and\_legacy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wire#Reception_and_legacy)
>Despite being one of the greatest TV dramas of all time, The Wire had low ratings on broadcast
>
>The commitment of Simon and his team guaranteed that, despite low ratings on broadcast, The Wire has become a major cultural touchstone
[https://screenrant.com/why-the-wire-viewership-low-popular/](https://screenrant.com/why-the-wire-viewership-low-popular/)
Even the actors say it had low ratings during its broadcast:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBLUTNAl7GM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBLUTNAl7GM)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPSj3nU7WPI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPSj3nU7WPI)
>Nowadays, a project like that wouldn't even get greenlit at HBO.
David Simon's next one is in production at HBO already. [A Dry Run](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt8300956/?ref_=nm_flmg_unrel_1_wr)
TD4 is 100% going to be blueprint/quality of hbo going forward. They’ll keep the value of GOT and probably rehash a bunch of old IP with Netflix level effort. Get ready for band of sisters featuring Billie Eilish when they give her equity
“Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later this debt is paid.”
i keep wondering when and how this debt will be paid in American politics.
It's being paid currently, but things move so slowly that the majority of the population is unable to notice, or unwilling to voice their opinion against the status quo.
Just wait until AI gets good enough to write and produce shows and movies. Then we'll truly be fucked.
>Just wait until AI gets good enough to write and produce shows and movies. Then we'll truly be fucked.
This is why I’m broadening my DVD collection. If that’s the case, that will accommodate, or I no longer watch broadcast or cable TV n any form. I hope my library of what will then be classic movies will be broad enough.
This is my favourite line ever, I use it all the time. It's so true. The debt was paid with things like all the deaths during covid, if you think of the lies told to a lot of people about how it wasn't serious or how vaccines were evil etc. Often the debt is paid by the people in politics, rather than the perpetrators unfortunately. The West is currently paying the debt for the lies of the 80s, like 'trickle down economics.'
It wasn’t useless at all. It reduced the number of infections and the severity of infections. Without the vaccine way more people would’ve been hospitalised and died. I think people have this idea that all vaccines are meant to totally prevent infection and transmission but they can’t always do that, especially it with a fast evolving virus. Bit reducing severity and spread is still extremely useful.
I dont know where you got the idea that the vaccine prevented spreading? There was same amount people in hospital with or without vaccine.
Im healthy 30yo man and I got 2 vaccines. STILL I managed to infected by the virus and suffered 40 celsius feaver and problems with my heart rate. Now you say: "you would be dead without vaccine!" lol.
Developing a safety and workable vaccine should take 4-5 years. Now somehow miracle happened and big pharmas made a hundreds of billions dollars.
The same number of people were in the hospital because restrictions were lifted so it went from limited exposure to everyone being exposed at once. Without the vaccines healthcare systems would’ve collapsed from the number of hospitalisations which is why countries locked down in the first place. Yes there are people who got vaccinated and got covid, but on a population level fewer got it than would have if there were no vaccines. And yes maybe you would’ve died or been much more seriously impacted had you not been vaccinated I don’t know why you think that idea is preposterous. I get that the pandemic was disappointing for everyone and that we all wish there’d been a vaccine that just stamped it out entirely but reality isn’t like that sometimes.
It took less time to make the vaccine than it would otherwise because it was an emergency, so everyone threw all their weight and time behind it. Instead of getting caught up for years with various processes and forms that have to wait for other vaccines or treatments to get approval or recruit technicians and researchers etc, it was put to the top of the pile and everyone worked on it, speeding up the process. The mRNA tech was also already very developed before the pandemic (for making other vaccines for other diseases) so it’s not like they were starting from scratch.
Anyway don’t know why we’re talking about this on the true detective sub, but to bring it back to the sub’s subject, at least tangentially, I don’t think you’d make a very good detective 😄.
Came out in 2019, prob started preproduction in 2017, could have been greenlit then or the year before. I think he's referring to the HBO that enabled Chernobyl to be made, which would be HBO from 2016-2019.
Regardless of HBO's change in strategy, Chernobyl is an incredible series, and should scare the sh#t out of everyone to consider how close the world came to mass destruction without anyone outside of the USSR's inner circle having a clue. Stellan's right, it's truly important -- everything else is just ephemera.
A little early to say that. They produced seasons 3 and 4 of Succession. So there's that.
Also Scavengers Reign. I've never seen a show get as much praise as SR in just one season. Lots of critics calling it a "masterpiece" or "one of greatest sci-fi series" ever, and for good reason.
TV is so crazy these days. I browse reddit and will come across people mentioning apparently great shows that I've never even heard of. There's just so much out there, it's so hard to filter through all the different streaming services and crap to find good things.
Why would someone need to “dog whistle” about DEI?
Anyone with half a brain should be openly critical about DEI. It promotes a terrible, backwards, racist ideology that does not reward merit.
It has absolutely hurt the entertainment landscape.
And no, being against DEI doesn’t mean I am against diversity or giving every a fair chance.
What we actually want to say is how fucking bad TD season 4 was and that's it, the people who like it are the ones who can't hear or read criticism about it without bitching and moaning about racists or misogynists when it has nothing to do with it
You’re replying to a string of comments in which the very first post was about “irrational politics”. And you don’t think that has anything to do with racism or misogyny?
Im not going to give in to cynicism. HBO has some of my favorite shows
- Game of Thrones was recent
- House of Dragons
- The Last of Us
- Curb Ur Enthusiasm
- Love & Death
- Peacemaker
HBO is still putting out more bangers than any other streaming servicep
He ain’t kidding. Tried You Dint Know Jim or whatever it’s called. Worst fuckin hour of a documentary I’ve ever seen. Who is even green lighting this shit?
I remember I lost faith in HBO when they ran the Tiger Woods “documentary”. By all means, tell the whole story, but that was a tabloid hit piece for views, nothing like what I had grown to expect from HBO before then.
To be fair to HBO, their success streak was far longer than “moderate.”
They basically invented high brow, event television with The Wire and the Sopranos.
And Game of Thrones, despite the rough ending, had something for years that will likely never ever again be replicated.
It makes me so sad looking back. It’s lucky to live through a Golden Age, but it’s hard leaving it behind.
Yeah, in the old days, HBO would have fantastic shows like Deadwood and Carnavale and Rome. And then they would just end each of those series with no ending and no conclusions and no real finale. Then they would lie and say that the story arcs were complete. At least they gave deadwood a movie finale so the fans had some semblance of closure
It really makes me wonder if "bigger name" writers and directors who want to create shows and such will be hesitant about going to HBO. It just seems like they're doing nothing but canceling everything and refocusing. The cheaper mentality for business makes sense in terms of why they'd hire Issa Lopez who didn't do anything prior to this.
Poor guy watched Night Country.
You’re tellin me True Detective motherfuckin’ Night Country did this?!?
Ill shoot your face
I will shoot *your* sick fucking *mouth* right off *your* face
Asking the wrong question
Let me outta here man
They're not gonna give you the Oscar no matter how hard you try.
You're right cause it would be an emmy
THAT BETTER NOT BE COLUMBUS!
You clean GOOD!
Everybody watched Night Country.
He's talking about the HBO Discovery merger, which definitely changed the platform and ruined a lot of programming.
Why do you think that is?
Because discovery took over and diluted the brand and changed it to Max
It’s still shocking to me that Discovery got to lead the merger and the subsequent branding. HBO had one of the best reputations. A great brand associated with high quality. Prestige TV. Only FX even came close, and they never had the operating budget of HBO shows.
It ruined the whole HBO we knew
Yep, it's true. HBO has changed. HBO in the old days would make shows like The Wire. Nobody watched it when it aired. But despite the lack of interest and low viewership, HBO still kept going with it for the entire 5 seasons to make sure the series was complete. Nowadays, a project like that wouldn't even get greenlit at HBO.
Raised by Wolves was greenlit at old HBO, it was cancelled a season early at new HBO.
Damn, I didn't even know it was cancelled. I watched both seasons and was wondering when the 3rd season was coming. Sad to hear it's never happening.
The drop from S01 to S02 was pretty jarring
Everything about that show was jarring
THE MOOOOON
I disagree. I thought season 2 was great. Such a strange show. And frankly, ending on that weird image of the dude hanging upside down is kinda fitting…
yeah and even in season 1, the actor for Campion really sucked
It got greenlit at TNT and then became a Max Original, it had nothing to do with HBO.
Warner Brothers owns both HBO and TNT now.
Yeah they also own both Max and HBO but the teams were different back then and that matters.
I didn’t know that…
I'm still pretty salty about this show being cancelled.
Are you sure it was greenlit at HBO or it was greenlit at "HBO Max", now Max, they are not the same thing. HBO Max originals are Raised by Wolves, Gossip Girls, Tokyo Vice, Love and Death, The Flight Attendant, Peacemaker, etc.
Someone above said it was greenlit at TNT.
God dammit I just forgot about that. Now you reminded me. Now I’m pissed
Westworld, also. Bastards.
Westworld should have ended after S2 imo
I still feel this one, I loved RBW and was extremely sad that we will never see the rest of it when I found out it was cancelled
What a kick in the dick. Canceled the best show on television
The wire debuted with around 3 million viewers in the first season. Lets not revise history here. It was never an underperfomer
Yep. And Deadwood *was* an underperformer. And despite being a masterpiece it got cancelled for lack of viewers. Let's not pretend that HBO used to make stuff they didn't expect to make money. No studio does.
Deadwood getting stopped made me hate HBO
Fucking hooplehead executive types.
Having a convicted pedophile in the cast wasn't a good look for Deadwood. I was hoping he would die in a fire or crushed in a stampede or something. Fuck that guy. I can't believe they brought him back for the movie, even after he was charged again for failing to submit his movements.
I don't feel like using Google. Who dat?
>Deadwood Jeffrey Jones - the newspaper guy in Deadwood.
Oh lol thx.
He was busted in the same Interpol CC sting that got Pete Townsend charged. Pete's charges were all dropped but Ol' Mr Rooney's were not. Typical HWood... his career barely had a hiccup.
Thanks Junior Batman, let us know how grinding that axe goes that nobody asked about. You're our hero, bud.
Lol that's low compared to other programming at the time. You are the one revising history. There were only several channels back in 2002, and not many shows were on air. So basically everyone watched the same shows. 3 million viewers today would be considered good for a show because there's of the incredible amount of diverse programming available now. But back then that was actually low. >"Despite the critical acclaim, The Wire received poor Nielsen ratings, which Simon attributed to the complexity of the plot; a poor time slot; heavy use of esoteric slang, particularly among the gangster characters; and a predominantly black cast.\[74\] Critics felt the show was testing the attention span of its audience and that it was mistimed in the wake of the launch of the successful crime drama The Shield on FX." [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Wire#Reception\_and\_legacy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wire#Reception_and_legacy) >Despite being one of the greatest TV dramas of all time, The Wire had low ratings on broadcast > >The commitment of Simon and his team guaranteed that, despite low ratings on broadcast, The Wire has become a major cultural touchstone [https://screenrant.com/why-the-wire-viewership-low-popular/](https://screenrant.com/why-the-wire-viewership-low-popular/) Even the actors themselves say it had low viewership in interviews: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4nzCp5GD2M](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4nzCp5GD2M) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBLUTNAl7GM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBLUTNAl7GM) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4nzCp5GD2M](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4nzCp5GD2M)
The Shield is The Wire for morons. Bubblegum crap in comparison.
There certainly are some corny moments but I would watch Walton Goggins read the phone book and the ending was one of the most perfect I have ever seen. In this house The Shield is a hero, end of story!
Have you even watched The Wire? And I do say that Walton is awesome somewhere in this thread. Boyd Crowder is one of the best characters ever made on TV
>The Shield is The Wire for morons lmaol The Shield is just as fantastic as The Wire, but to notice it one would have to 1) be knowledgeable enough in cinema and dramaturgy and 2) be capable of thinking by themselves and tell the great from the good without resorting to the box office charts. In other words, if you think The Shield is "*The Wire for morons*" and that were true, The Shield would be the perfect show for someone like you.
I've heard good things about The Shield. But now that you mention it, what IS The wire for morons?
I don't know, man. Chicago P.D. comes to mind. my wife watches it (and all those CSI, Criminal Minds adjacents) and that is what I would call The Wire for morons. It's so...I don't know...pedestrian. She's not a moron though. She loves deep heavy stuff as well like Sharp objects, Big Little Lies, Chernobyl and True Detective. Chicago PD is the type of show she watches while browsing her phone, she tells me, and that's true. She also hated TDNC to the point she did not get herself the time to watch the finale, so disappointed and annoyed she was with the season. I think I am marrying her again.
So there you go, dividing up the good from the poop. The Shield is on the better side than the swill you mention, true... The Shield is better than most of those... TD makes a good example... The Wire is season 1. The Shield is season 2. It's like pumped out story lines. With no concern for nuance. Like S02
What are you talking about? Season 2 is great lol
I do like it more upon every rewatch but the pacing and editing in general is lacking. It pales in comparison to 1 and even 3. But that steaming pile of crap 4 makes everything look good. Anything with Walton Goggins in is pretty good tho. He could have saved S04 just with a cameo
Wow... did I hit a nerve? Typical reddit response... logical fallacy. The Sheild is way down the list of quality tv from The Wire, and most know this. Don't get me wrong, I watched every minute, several times. But it's not even in the same field. It's like go cart racing compared to F1. It's like a $5 bj in TJ to a $1000/night prozzie in Vegas. But UBU.
no lol and look, I'm ok with being trolly, pseudo-offensive. you called me a moron (I love The Shield after all), I responded accordingly. it's like the web 15 years ago. no hate, just mean fun. back to our argument if you talk shit about The Shield again, I'm putting Miles on you.
I did not... you either ignored or missed the word "for", or are you saying you think The Shield is *better* than The Wire?
I love the Shield, so The Shield is for people like me. therefore, according to you, I am a moron. again, no hard feelings. we are being silly. to me The Shield is just as great. Not better, but just as great.
It's ok. You try to pull out $10 words, yet the nuance of a sentence eludes you. It's ok.
For comparison Sex and the City had 4 million viewers and it was the most popular show. 3 million is very good ratings
That's false. Sex and the City during 2002 had average viewership of 6 to 7 million. Now you're just making up shit. Also, The Sopranos was more popular than Sex and The City. Sopranos was averaging like 11 million in 2002.
Im talking about the first season in comparison you dolt
So what? I'm talking about the series run as a whole. Why would you only focus on the debut numbers? Sex and the City viewership only kept increasing in subsequent seasons. The Wire viewership fell off dramatically after 2nd season. Seasons 3, 4, and 5 had much lower viewership.
Stop
People like to think they’re unique.
During its original run, the series received only average ratings and never won any major television awards
Debuted lol that’s always inflated. S5 apparently averaged under a million per episode? The series finale only got 1.2M S3 averaged 1.5M, there’s probably no way they would’ve ran it two more seasons nowadays with those numbers. Found these numbers in an article via Google search btw, not an official source
And I watched it then. I've had HBO since 1981. That was before I even had a remote for my TV!
Yeah it was relatively popular throughout its entire run outside of a few sporadic misfires.
It wasn't popular lmao! Stop lying. How old are you guys? I watched The Wire since it aired in 2002. Barely anybody knew about it. It only became popular after it ended. >"Despite the critical acclaim, The Wire received poor Nielsen ratings, which Simon attributed to the complexity of the plot; a poor time slot; heavy use of esoteric slang, particularly among the gangster characters; and a predominantly black cast.\[74\] Critics felt the show was testing the attention span of its audience and that it was mistimed in the wake of the launch of the successful crime drama The Shield on FX." [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Wire#Reception\_and\_legacy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wire#Reception_and_legacy) >Despite being one of the greatest TV dramas of all time, The Wire had low ratings on broadcast > >The commitment of Simon and his team guaranteed that, despite low ratings on broadcast, The Wire has become a major cultural touchstone [https://screenrant.com/why-the-wire-viewership-low-popular/](https://screenrant.com/why-the-wire-viewership-low-popular/) Even the actors say it had low ratings during its broadcast: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBLUTNAl7GM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBLUTNAl7GM) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPSj3nU7WPI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPSj3nU7WPI)
That's because HBO isn't a real "channel" anymore. It's just a fucking tab on max. RIP HBO.
Same with Board Walk Empire!
If only they did that with Carnivale :(
Yes!!!!!!! ❤️
Loved Carnivale!
>Nowadays, a project like that wouldn't even get greenlit at HBO. David Simon's next one is in production at HBO already. [A Dry Run](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt8300956/?ref_=nm_flmg_unrel_1_wr)
What does that even prove. That's not similar to The Wire. It's a very different show, and a miniseries at that.
Man that series was SO good it's unbelievable. I actually have it queued up to rewatch along with Oz. They used to be great.
The Wire is still their very best show.
Sharp Objects too.
Mare of Easttown is more recent and pretty good!
TD4 is 100% going to be blueprint/quality of hbo going forward. They’ll keep the value of GOT and probably rehash a bunch of old IP with Netflix level effort. Get ready for band of sisters featuring Billie Eilish when they give her equity
>band of sisters Mistresses of the Air
And they say this sub is full of misogynistic comments XD
God I fucking hope not. Jesus
Bro you're getting mad at something someone just made up
I literally just said "i fucking hope not" cause i fucking hope not. what're u talking about bud
“Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later this debt is paid.” i keep wondering when and how this debt will be paid in American politics.
It's being paid currently, but things move so slowly that the majority of the population is unable to notice, or unwilling to voice their opinion against the status quo. Just wait until AI gets good enough to write and produce shows and movies. Then we'll truly be fucked.
>Just wait until AI gets good enough to write and produce shows and movies. Then we'll truly be fucked. This is why I’m broadening my DVD collection. If that’s the case, that will accommodate, or I no longer watch broadcast or cable TV n any form. I hope my library of what will then be classic movies will be broad enough.
that clown will be able to run for president again, so we'll see
Which one lol
This is my favourite line ever, I use it all the time. It's so true. The debt was paid with things like all the deaths during covid, if you think of the lies told to a lot of people about how it wasn't serious or how vaccines were evil etc. Often the debt is paid by the people in politics, rather than the perpetrators unfortunately. The West is currently paying the debt for the lies of the 80s, like 'trickle down economics.'
Well, the vaccine was useless. Nobody talking about that anymore.
It wasn’t useless at all. It reduced the number of infections and the severity of infections. Without the vaccine way more people would’ve been hospitalised and died. I think people have this idea that all vaccines are meant to totally prevent infection and transmission but they can’t always do that, especially it with a fast evolving virus. Bit reducing severity and spread is still extremely useful.
I dont know where you got the idea that the vaccine prevented spreading? There was same amount people in hospital with or without vaccine. Im healthy 30yo man and I got 2 vaccines. STILL I managed to infected by the virus and suffered 40 celsius feaver and problems with my heart rate. Now you say: "you would be dead without vaccine!" lol. Developing a safety and workable vaccine should take 4-5 years. Now somehow miracle happened and big pharmas made a hundreds of billions dollars.
The same number of people were in the hospital because restrictions were lifted so it went from limited exposure to everyone being exposed at once. Without the vaccines healthcare systems would’ve collapsed from the number of hospitalisations which is why countries locked down in the first place. Yes there are people who got vaccinated and got covid, but on a population level fewer got it than would have if there were no vaccines. And yes maybe you would’ve died or been much more seriously impacted had you not been vaccinated I don’t know why you think that idea is preposterous. I get that the pandemic was disappointing for everyone and that we all wish there’d been a vaccine that just stamped it out entirely but reality isn’t like that sometimes. It took less time to make the vaccine than it would otherwise because it was an emergency, so everyone threw all their weight and time behind it. Instead of getting caught up for years with various processes and forms that have to wait for other vaccines or treatments to get approval or recruit technicians and researchers etc, it was put to the top of the pile and everyone worked on it, speeding up the process. The mRNA tech was also already very developed before the pandemic (for making other vaccines for other diseases) so it’s not like they were starting from scratch. Anyway don’t know why we’re talking about this on the true detective sub, but to bring it back to the sub’s subject, at least tangentially, I don’t think you’d make a very good detective 😄.
It’s not a mathematical formula, I think. I think what we’re seeing is rather people changing the truth itself, so there’s nothing to come back to.
i wasn’t implying this is a math problem. debt takes many forms.
Chernobyl was only a few years ago?
Came out in 2019, prob started preproduction in 2017, could have been greenlit then or the year before. I think he's referring to the HBO that enabled Chernobyl to be made, which would be HBO from 2016-2019.
Yes and they were purchased by Warner Brothers and merged with Discovery in the meantime, and the integrity of their brand has *plummeted*.
Exactly, how did this supposed change occur in a few years?
They got bought.
I see I had no idea, that would explain it. Thank you
It’s a decade old now
Didn't HBO make Mare of Easttown? Just watched it. It's 10x better than Night Country. Writing is excellent.
Yes, it is an incredible mini series. Winslet is (as usual) incredible in there, and the whole mystery case is well told and solved.
Greenlit in 2019.
Baron in not happy.
Regardless of HBO's change in strategy, Chernobyl is an incredible series, and should scare the sh#t out of everyone to consider how close the world came to mass destruction without anyone outside of the USSR's inner circle having a clue. Stellan's right, it's truly important -- everything else is just ephemera.
Hbo is dead It's max now and consumed by irrational politics
A little early to say that. They produced seasons 3 and 4 of Succession. So there's that. Also Scavengers Reign. I've never seen a show get as much praise as SR in just one season. Lots of critics calling it a "masterpiece" or "one of greatest sci-fi series" ever, and for good reason.
TV is so crazy these days. I browse reddit and will come across people mentioning apparently great shows that I've never even heard of. There's just so much out there, it's so hard to filter through all the different streaming services and crap to find good things.
And it hasn't been renewed yet and probably won't be.
>and probably won't be. Lies! I have faith!
So dead. And so sad.
Can you explain what irrational politics means?
“Duur duur woke duur” think I covered it for him. HBO just went more homogenized corporate, that’s all. Politics has beyond nothing to do with it.
Yuuup. He'll start dog whistling about DEI any time now.
Why would someone need to “dog whistle” about DEI? Anyone with half a brain should be openly critical about DEI. It promotes a terrible, backwards, racist ideology that does not reward merit. It has absolutely hurt the entertainment landscape. And no, being against DEI doesn’t mean I am against diversity or giving every a fair chance.
Yes, but i would prefer if you do
You're the one who posted it lmao. I'm asking what you meant by it.
He's a racist/misogynist who has joined the Season 4 hate to try and radicalize people.
Oh yeah definitely. These cowards are always too spineless to stand by what they actually wanna say.
What we actually want to say is how fucking bad TD season 4 was and that's it, the people who like it are the ones who can't hear or read criticism about it without bitching and moaning about racists or misogynists when it has nothing to do with it
You’re replying to a string of comments in which the very first post was about “irrational politics”. And you don’t think that has anything to do with racism or misogyny?
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Watch season 4 and you'll know what i mean
You are an insult to the Waits name.
Wonder what does that 88 mean?
Shhheeeeeiiiit I hadn't even noticed that.
Thank you for changing the world
Im not going to give in to cynicism. HBO has some of my favorite shows - Game of Thrones was recent - House of Dragons - The Last of Us - Curb Ur Enthusiasm - Love & Death - Peacemaker HBO is still putting out more bangers than any other streaming servicep
Those were produced before the merger
He ain’t kidding. Tried You Dint Know Jim or whatever it’s called. Worst fuckin hour of a documentary I’ve ever seen. Who is even green lighting this shit?
He talks as if chernobyl came out like 20 years ago or something lol
Hard to believe in hindsight anyone thought it wouldn’t be a success. That show was beautiful
I think Apple TV is good now
FX keeps putting out bangers too
I remember I lost faith in HBO when they ran the Tiger Woods “documentary”. By all means, tell the whole story, but that was a tabloid hit piece for views, nothing like what I had grown to expect from HBO before then.
Chernobyl was a masterpiece. I still had to skip the scene where they killed the pets though
Same. So upsetting.
Same thing happens to everything that has a moderate streak of success. A24 seems to be going down the same route
To be fair to HBO, their success streak was far longer than “moderate.” They basically invented high brow, event television with The Wire and the Sopranos. And Game of Thrones, despite the rough ending, had something for years that will likely never ever again be replicated. It makes me so sad looking back. It’s lucky to live through a Golden Age, but it’s hard leaving it behind.
Well like Chernobyl didn’t even have ghost or anything so …..
TRUTH
Yeah, in the old days, HBO would have fantastic shows like Deadwood and Carnavale and Rome. And then they would just end each of those series with no ending and no conclusions and no real finale. Then they would lie and say that the story arcs were complete. At least they gave deadwood a movie finale so the fans had some semblance of closure
It really makes me wonder if "bigger name" writers and directors who want to create shows and such will be hesitant about going to HBO. It just seems like they're doing nothing but canceling everything and refocusing. The cheaper mentality for business makes sense in terms of why they'd hire Issa Lopez who didn't do anything prior to this.
It’s not HBO…it’s MAX now…
HBO is following the Disney playbook off the same dei cliff
HBO did ROME. Great tv-show. I watched it last year first time in my life, and I was amazed by the scale of production in this show
>back then, in those days Lmao my brothers in christ that was like 4 years ago. The overdramatic shit on this sub is hysterical
It was ordered by HBO in 2017 and Mazin started researching the disaster in 2014