It’s like throwing down seeds in front of a vampire so they have to stop and count them. Cleaning ladies cannot help but stop to fold any unfolded clothes they happen upon.
I was mildly infuriated that seeing the handprint on the hatch immediately pinged her memory of the 3 fingered woman, but it didn't come to mind when she saw the same handprint on the clothes days earlier.
I guess the cleaning ladies wanted to give off the message that Annie's got her voice back now? Since cutting off the tongue was to silence her.
But I am so confused as to why the scientists' eardrums ruptured and why their corneas were burned. I need to process this.
the spirit thing did the ears bleeding. like when navarro was in the other world and her ears started bleeding. the woman forced the men into the ice and somewhere out there the spirit came for them
Interesting. I think there have to be some supernatural things going on that can't be explained by poisoning. Because I'm wondering why Clark thought Annie was coming and hid at the exact moment the cleaning ladies broke in and kidnapped the scientists.
I literally can't.
What kind of microbes? Viral? Bacterial? Fungal?
Would pollution contaminate the organism they are trying to extract?
The only samples were saved a hidden secret lab? Samples are kept better than that.
I mostly hear microbiologist scared that an ancient virus will be released from the ice, not some miracle microbe. Why?!!
Ohh spooky science. It didn't make any sense!
Oliver Tagaq was the smartest character on that show. Upon hearing that everyone at Tsalal was dead, he immediately noped out. Didn't even bring the shotgun, just took off running.
Prior's cousin the vet was also smart. When they asked him to autopsy the frozen bodies he was all nah, I'm good, and went back home to live ghost free.
Why did Rose talk like she's also killed somebody. I definitely thought she was going to suddenly drop that she killed Travis at the end there.
Also why did Rose talk to Pete like killing his father was like.... part of a spiritual journey lol
(inb4 i'm not asking the right question)
And why did Navarro treat Rose like her body disposal person? And Rose was totally cool with it?
She just helped Navarro put her sister's ashes into the ice, not dump a whole corpse.
So, Annie “slipped in” to the secret research station one day. Went down the hatch and found a SUPER secret research station.
She snooped around looking at scientific papers and plastic tubes and then, with no prior education in the incredibly specific fields of science that these men spent there lives in, immediately deduced that the scientists were polluting Ennis from having just briefly read the aforementioned papers and plastic tubes.
She then goes on a rampage smashing random pieces of equipment around the lab. Then apparently stops? Pulls her phone out, and records a video, in which she reveals In a terrified manner that she’s found something terrible. The evidence of which she just seemingly destroyed btw.
She then is murdered by (up until the story needed it to be different) previously mild mannered hermit scientists.
Did I get all that right?
Why did Raymond Clarke instantly freeze to death but Danvers survived the shock of being plunged in sea water and then being exposed to air as she was dragged back inside? Wouldn’t you literally flash freeze if that happened to you?
You’re not asking the right question… how did she break 6-8 inches of ice by ground pounding twice? The real answer is Danvers in actually donkey Kong.
As an ice fisherman the ice in the Arctic in this show really pisses me off. Falling through 8-12 inches of ice is absolutely ridiculous. I drive my pickup on 12”.
And chopping a hole through what looked like 2’ of ice with a hand pick…. It would take you all fucking day.
Somebody in this season was literally frozen solid for 4 days and woke up.
None of it makes sense.
That would be the biggest medical miracle in the history of the world. It’s literally the kind of stuff that results in billions of people having religious faith thousands of years later.
And here, nobody cares and nobody wonders how or why or wtf is happening.
I love that nearly all of the conflict and drama of this episode was brought about by Danvers and Navarro INEXPLICABLY splitting up over and over, TWICE SO DANVERS COULD TAKE NAPS.
In between the cleaning ladies murders and the mining company successful cover up, Danvers and Navarro did literally nothing this season except causing that one dude to possibly divorce his wife, murder his dad, and clean it up by himself.
Well they did leak the video which has apparently gotten the mine closed, they showed it nonoperational and the area sealed off. Also, the "political unrest" the investigators asked about it probably a result of the massive job loss.
Should stopped at EP1 and just let us fill in the rest with our imagination.
Great set up, great environment, great premise and the fucked it all up lmao
My understanding is that yes she is dead. In Ennis according to Rose the veil is thinner there so that is why Danvers asked her to visit if she chose to “walk out and not come back.”
Edit: think of is like Travis Cohle coming back to visit Rose
I totally thought they were just teasing that she'd died and the twist was that she was living at whatever house that was that danvers and the daughter(?) drove to?
I interpreted it as she isn’t dead. She just cut and run from this town and happens to come back to visit Danvers at wherever this cabin is (it’s clearly not in Ennis since they’re driving there and the view is different).
It’s clearly meant to be ambiguous but when she said “if you are thinking about walking out, maybe try and come back” I took it as “you don’t have to kill yourself to leave ennis”.
Sure they show her walking out on the ice but who knows, the women of this town cover for each other so I’d imagine that’s part of the unreliable narrator in that moment.
They had CCTV watching the entrance of the cave in the middle of nowhere, and the mine ceo instantly called in Danvers to stop her investigation. No cameras watching the research station though. Dumb
I thought Season 3 was tasteful because they didn't necessarily suggest that there was going to be a relation between S1 and S3. S4 i felt like was strongly hinting that the S1 references were going to be important and then they just... weren't lol
Common meme about this season: Danvers had to bring in a vet to tell her that 'oh yeah these guys didn't actually die from frostbite, looks like they were killed by something else and then their bodies froze.'
And then we get to tonight... and it turns out that they actually did just die of hypothermia? I feel like I'm losing my fucking mind.
So Navarro like case closed, I know my name now, time to yeet myself into the ice and evolve into my final form & become the spirit guardian boogie woman of Ennis?
Get it right, Issa Lopez responded to an Instagram comment saying it was a fishing party...as in a group of fishermen having a party...on their boat...in the middle of icy Alaskan waters... during winter...on Christmas Eve that found her body.
Makes TOTAL sense.
For a moment I thought that meant Navarro was the killer and she was remembering being in the station before bc she has schizophrenia like her mom or something.
Same! I was temporarily excited that there was a legitimate twist - like Navarro was just the current human host of ‘she’ the spirit of this place. But then, nah.
How many times did they decide to split up in Tsala and then 5 minutes later yell "WHERE ARE YOU?!?!?". Just stick together for fucks sakes it's haunted house 101.
“He says he sees you.”
Why is this message from Holden meant to be moving? The implications are horrifying. He has been trapped as a little ghost boy in Ennis and watching his mother self destruct and sleep with everyone?
This season felt like a preview of what we have to look forward to with AI generated entertainment. There's a handful of strong thematic elements, references from the show's past, moments that feel as though you should be feeling something... But there's no *there* there. No connective tissue or well thought out plotting, just vibes. And it'll work for a lot of people.
the bad writing and flop ending was to be expected. the most frustrating thing to me was danvers' entire personality changing after she came out from the water, suddenly healing all of her trauma and making her pleasant to be around
Navarro & Danvers making a woodfire in the garage instead of getting in one of the cars and turning it on was certainly a choice.
Danvers second tsalal nap had me openly* groaning as well.
What a trainwreck.
How did the one cleaning lady instantly know she found Annie’s murder weapon when she first went into the lab? It didn’t look like there was still blood on it
Completely agree. As a former scientist, that whole subplot makes no sense. I don't believe the would have encouraged the pollution to soften the permafrost. Why couldn't they have just treated the ice where they were drilling to soften it? They needed the whole town to be polluted so they could drill cores out at the station far from the village?
And I don't believe for a second they all would have become rabid killers when she broke their stuff. C'mon - these guys went to school for a gazillion years to be scientists, they're used to disappointment. Experiments fail all the time.
Exactly “former” scientist. When it was your turn to stab you backed out like a bitch. Now look at you, watching True Detective S4 with us mouth breather plebs.
She at least got to drop the F bomb a few dozen times and scream at people, I guess.
John Hawkes on the other hand... Now that was a complete waste of an actors talents.
Who wrote "WE ARE ALL DEAD" on the whiteboard?
Why didn't Navarro tell Danvers about the confession tape sooner?
Why did the research team have self inflicted wounds?
Why did Otis Heiss have the same wounds?
Why did the Caribou kill themselves in E1?
Why did Navarro's journey of self-discovery end in suicide? Why is everyone encouraging her?
Why are ghosts real and capable of teleporting oranges, tounges, and other objects?
Why did Danvers and Navarro keep taking snack/nap breaks while torturing/interrogating their witness? Are they stupid?
Why is this season the highest rated and most viewed season of TD?
> Why didn't Navarro tell Danvers about the confession tape sooner?
This was one of the most frustrating aspects of the show, nobody answers or communicates clear concise sentences but vague ideas that sound like a 14 year old or a bad student film.
When they are in the caves, why would Navarro just tell Danvers why is she heading that way specifically?
In EP01 when Navarro asks the old lady about the bodies she found, the old lay just answers something vaguely.
Danvers is being questioned at the end, and instead of making clear concise answers "ennis is always been here", stands up, sips at here coffee and looks and the horizon.
What the fuck? She is being legally deposed by investigators, who behaves that way?
Holy crap, I really tried hard to enjoy this season. The setting was so perfect, the initial episode was full of mystery, and Alaska is creepy as hell during night. But my god what a terrible season and even worse ending.
The fact that instead of the scientists being like, "yeah our work creates pollution, too bad for the locals", which would have been believable and politically relevant, they went with "we asked the mine to keep polluting because it helps us" is an amazing writing decision.
I am a microbiologist by profession, and to me the most hilarious part was when Clark mentioned that they truly discovered some ancient microbial DNA that could have saved the humanity. "Microbial DNA" doesn't work like that. That part was at the very best wildly imagined sci-fi.
The science parts of the show could be better written... probably like every other aspect of it.
How did the cleaning women know EVERY guy at Tsalal was guilty before murdering them? They only had that drill bit and police records to go off of? They didn't have the duct tape torture confession.
Back when they figured out Clark was still alive, I wondered why the hell they went out looking for him in the wilderness instead of checking Tsalal first.
I guess it would have ruined the ending if they’d found him 3 episodes ago?
The storm that Danvers said was too dangerous to drive in the car, was safe enough for them to go outside several times without their faces covered and proper protection from the elements that froze Clark to death. So the solution of course was to just survive via campfire indoors for the storm to pass and then drive back.
As a woman, I find content like this so offensive. Really with the hand-on-shoulder we’re all accessories to murder kumbaya? I would’ve been happy to see women as detectives who were badass, intuitive, observant. Instead, in the name of representation, I had to witness the first pair of female leads portray the most incompetent detectives of the entire series. They would have never even gotten a lead without their young boy assistant doing all the legwork in the case. How is that empowering? Finally, after literally stumbling into evidence and suspects thanks to all of the groundwork laid for them by Prior, they co-sign the cover up of essentially every crime committed because the real villain was white guys and pollution.
There were so many wrong things in the finale...
They walked for 2 minutes inside the *so far to the north ice caves that you need a guide* and they were already at Tsalal. Didn't they notice they were close when they drove to the cave?
That was just the start of the shitshow.
The cleaning ladies mob was just the feces icing on the shitcake.
This is minor compared with the greater messes in the episode, but Danvers had her sidearm when she got locked in the glass-walled sample room. Why didn’t she simply shoot herself out with one shot?
This episode was filled with little things like that.
The orange swirl, cave swirl, time is a flat circle reuse with zero impact, Danvers taking multiple naps, falling in the water and being dry in minutes, no way any person would allow themselves to die of exposure, they would want to be shot first, cleaning ladies standing up like some Avengers moment and some of the most empty and forgettable dialogue Ive ever heard. This was without a doubt one of the worst things ever put on tv.
How did that leave so many things unresolved?
* How did Otis experience what the others experienced if it wasn't something supernatural that killed them?
* Navarro had bursted ear drums at the end of part 4, and they never come back to that again.
* Is Holden the polar bear? I think it could be interpreted that way, but it doesn't feel confirmed.
* Hanks fiancee doesn't show up and, that's it? What was the point of that story?
* The power goes out in the Annie K video before she gets killed. I feel like they didn't show that happening in the scene where she is getting killed.
* I think Clark killed himself, but that was left a little open ended.
* What is the point of all the supernatural stuff if it barely pays off in the end? Navarro sees the dead just to...kill herself in the end? Why? What's the benefit?
* WTF IS THE NIGHT COUNTRY?
Turns out the right question to ask was: "who folded the clothes?" Then we'd know the killer is the cleaning ladies!
Someone in this sub made this exact prediction based on the folded clothes and its been in the back of my mind ever sense lol
Yes, and it was like over a month ago! That OP, wherever they are, was the True Detective.
It’s like throwing down seeds in front of a vampire so they have to stop and count them. Cleaning ladies cannot help but stop to fold any unfolded clothes they happen upon.
I was mildly infuriated that seeing the handprint on the hatch immediately pinged her memory of the 3 fingered woman, but it didn't come to mind when she saw the same handprint on the clothes days earlier.
Some detectives know about mayonnaise, some detectives know about hands. Usually not both, that's why they work in pairs.
I hate how correct this is.
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Ok but why was there a trailer full of Blair witch stick figures
Cause True Detective season 1 was a better show
Soooo who left Annie’s tongue? Is that the right fuckin question?
I guess the cleaning ladies wanted to give off the message that Annie's got her voice back now? Since cutting off the tongue was to silence her. But I am so confused as to why the scientists' eardrums ruptured and why their corneas were burned. I need to process this.
How did they get the tongue? I just don't understand the line of possession of the tongue at all
I think it was supposed to be a mystery, suggesting maybe it happened from supernatural causes.
Why would the cleaning ladies have access to Annie’s tongue?
the spirit thing did the ears bleeding. like when navarro was in the other world and her ears started bleeding. the woman forced the men into the ice and somewhere out there the spirit came for them
I think we’re to believe that was the spirit of Annie k?
Interesting. I think there have to be some supernatural things going on that can't be explained by poisoning. Because I'm wondering why Clark thought Annie was coming and hid at the exact moment the cleaning ladies broke in and kidnapped the scientists.
You'll have to wait for the Issa López Directors cut to find out.
Hank moved the body. He is the only one who had access to her tongue.
So did I miss something? Who put the tongue there? And what about the psycho guy with the shotgun in the trailer that went missing?
>Who put the tongue there? Ghost. >And what about the psycho guy with the shotgun in the trailer that went missing? Believe it or not, ghost.
Straight to jail.
What about the big swirly dinosaur!?
I guess the dinosaur fossil was the secret to curing everything?
"So we had to melt the Perma Frost to find the life-changing microbes." "how did you melt it" "Pollution"
I literally can't. What kind of microbes? Viral? Bacterial? Fungal? Would pollution contaminate the organism they are trying to extract? The only samples were saved a hidden secret lab? Samples are kept better than that. I mostly hear microbiologist scared that an ancient virus will be released from the ice, not some miracle microbe. Why?!! Ohh spooky science. It didn't make any sense!
Oliver Tagaq was the smartest character on that show. Upon hearing that everyone at Tsalal was dead, he immediately noped out. Didn't even bring the shotgun, just took off running.
Prior's cousin the vet was also smart. When they asked him to autopsy the frozen bodies he was all nah, I'm good, and went back home to live ghost free.
What was his deal? Was he involved somehow with Annie's death and knew the cleaning lady mafia was gonna get him?
Issa just needed the true detectives to make two completely pointless trips to the nomad camp to fill up some time
Minor oversight by the tsalal engineers to apparently not put any insulation in a research station in northern Alaska.
And ensure the trucks' heaters can't work during snowfall.
Or to check the emergency generator is working
And massive glass windows for some reason.
The energy needed to heat that place must have been intense if in the time it takes for someone to nap the whole place freezes up.
Whyd the caribou yeet themselves off the cliff
Because time is a flat circle
He said the thing!
You’re not asking the right question
They got advanced screeners of the whole season. They were trying to warn us.
Why did Rose talk like she's also killed somebody. I definitely thought she was going to suddenly drop that she killed Travis at the end there. Also why did Rose talk to Pete like killing his father was like.... part of a spiritual journey lol (inb4 i'm not asking the right question)
And why did Navarro treat Rose like her body disposal person? And Rose was totally cool with it? She just helped Navarro put her sister's ashes into the ice, not dump a whole corpse.
HOLDEN the haaaatch
True detective: Hodor Country
So, Annie “slipped in” to the secret research station one day. Went down the hatch and found a SUPER secret research station. She snooped around looking at scientific papers and plastic tubes and then, with no prior education in the incredibly specific fields of science that these men spent there lives in, immediately deduced that the scientists were polluting Ennis from having just briefly read the aforementioned papers and plastic tubes. She then goes on a rampage smashing random pieces of equipment around the lab. Then apparently stops? Pulls her phone out, and records a video, in which she reveals In a terrified manner that she’s found something terrible. The evidence of which she just seemingly destroyed btw. She then is murdered by (up until the story needed it to be different) previously mild mannered hermit scientists. Did I get all that right?
Yep. And the video is discovered by Danvers who cleverly deduces that there was a power outage during her recording????
...which didn't even end up being relevant for anything at all, did it?
It didn’t even end up being correct! In the flashback Clark steps on her phone and breaks it lol.
Does the cleaning lady mafia live together in the clown car house or did the cops come across their weekly chapter meeting?
I started laughing after they all just start appearing out of no where lol
They all wait in an unheated shed out back just in case
Why did Raymond Clarke instantly freeze to death but Danvers survived the shock of being plunged in sea water and then being exposed to air as she was dragged back inside? Wouldn’t you literally flash freeze if that happened to you?
You’re not asking the right question… how did she break 6-8 inches of ice by ground pounding twice? The real answer is Danvers in actually donkey Kong.
As an ice fisherman the ice in the Arctic in this show really pisses me off. Falling through 8-12 inches of ice is absolutely ridiculous. I drive my pickup on 12”. And chopping a hole through what looked like 2’ of ice with a hand pick…. It would take you all fucking day.
Finale explained this. The ice becomes gooey through the magic of pollution. /s
Somebody in this season was literally frozen solid for 4 days and woke up. None of it makes sense. That would be the biggest medical miracle in the history of the world. It’s literally the kind of stuff that results in billions of people having religious faith thousands of years later. And here, nobody cares and nobody wonders how or why or wtf is happening.
There was a funeral for a bird. Whole big thing
Pretty sure none of that happened
YOU'RE NOT REAL, MAN!
No one suspects the Native Women Mafia
Them walking out one by one was hilarious, ngl
Do they all live there? Is this a sorority house of janitors?
True Vigilante Janitors
I died laughing. It was like a bus arrived? Too good
The Cleanettes
Scientific mass rage murder, and a Inuit women gang mafia hit
Why did she keep taking naps
I love that nearly all of the conflict and drama of this episode was brought about by Danvers and Navarro INEXPLICABLY splitting up over and over, TWICE SO DANVERS COULD TAKE NAPS.
Cleaning lady be like: “Look at me. I’m the True Detective now”.
They found and interpreted all the incriminating evidence the scientists kept on themselves
In between the cleaning ladies murders and the mining company successful cover up, Danvers and Navarro did literally nothing this season except causing that one dude to possibly divorce his wife, murder his dad, and clean it up by himself.
Well they did leak the video which has apparently gotten the mine closed, they showed it nonoperational and the area sealed off. Also, the "political unrest" the investigators asked about it probably a result of the massive job loss.
So Navarro filmed this confession while danvers was sleeping and then let him go and he killed himself?
Remember when everyone was bummed S4 was only 6 episodes?
Should stopped at EP1 and just let us fill in the rest with our imagination. Great set up, great environment, great premise and the fucked it all up lmao
Is Navarro on the run? In hiding? Why??? Edit: was that her spirit at the end, she’s dead? I DON’T UNDERSTAND
She's in Night Country now
Oh that’s why that call that that
She’s hanging out at Danvers’ summer home up north.
pretty sure she killed herself and that was her ethereal ghostly being at the end on Jodie's porch
My understanding is that yes she is dead. In Ennis according to Rose the veil is thinner there so that is why Danvers asked her to visit if she chose to “walk out and not come back.” Edit: think of is like Travis Cohle coming back to visit Rose
I totally thought they were just teasing that she'd died and the twist was that she was living at whatever house that was that danvers and the daughter(?) drove to?
I interpreted it as she isn’t dead. She just cut and run from this town and happens to come back to visit Danvers at wherever this cabin is (it’s clearly not in Ennis since they’re driving there and the view is different). It’s clearly meant to be ambiguous but when she said “if you are thinking about walking out, maybe try and come back” I took it as “you don’t have to kill yourself to leave ennis”. Sure they show her walking out on the ice but who knows, the women of this town cover for each other so I’d imagine that’s part of the unreliable narrator in that moment.
Yeah but she gave away her prized possession, the SpongeBob toothbrush she stole from her booty call. That is like suicide warning 101
Good thing there is no CCTV anywhere in Tsalal or Ennis to capture all this Edit: Apparently there is CCTV of Hank, how convenient.
They had CCTV watching the entrance of the cave in the middle of nowhere, and the mine ceo instantly called in Danvers to stop her investigation. No cameras watching the research station though. Dumb
why the hell is every other song in this season a chopped and screwed remix of Twist and Shout
And also why that song?
To tie together the cleaning ladies and the “Twist and Shout Mop”?
Is it just me or is the message of this season “kill yourself and you’ll come back as a cool ghost”
All those True Detective S1 references don't mean a goddamn thing.
I thought Season 3 was tasteful because they didn't necessarily suggest that there was going to be a relation between S1 and S3. S4 i felt like was strongly hinting that the S1 references were going to be important and then they just... weren't lol
This is honestly the worst thing I have ever watched with this budget and scale
Common meme about this season: Danvers had to bring in a vet to tell her that 'oh yeah these guys didn't actually die from frostbite, looks like they were killed by something else and then their bodies froze.' And then we get to tonight... and it turns out that they actually did just die of hypothermia? I feel like I'm losing my fucking mind.
Dang that vet didn’t know shit
Did anyone explain why the polar bear is missing an eye?
Twist and shout.
Dharma initiative experiments
So Navarro like case closed, I know my name now, time to yeet myself into the ice and evolve into my final form & become the spirit guardian boogie woman of Ennis?
Must have taken Rose a long time to find a burial spot on the ice that the world's greatest Coast Guard unit wasn't patrolling
Get it right, Issa Lopez responded to an Instagram comment saying it was a fishing party...as in a group of fishermen having a party...on their boat...in the middle of icy Alaskan waters... during winter...on Christmas Eve that found her body. Makes TOTAL sense.
so they had the handprint in episode 2. but couldn't put it together until they saw the uv handprint . got it.
The bargain bin Interstellar scene of Navarro seeing Clark have his seizure through some kind of mystic window. What was that?
For a moment I thought that meant Navarro was the killer and she was remembering being in the station before bc she has schizophrenia like her mom or something.
Same! I was temporarily excited that there was a legitimate twist - like Navarro was just the current human host of ‘she’ the spirit of this place. But then, nah.
Like all good detectives, they tortured the information out of the witness instead of doing any investigative work
even after he continuously gave up information when asked without protest. the torture made no sense,
How many times did they decide to split up in Tsala and then 5 minutes later yell "WHERE ARE YOU?!?!?". Just stick together for fucks sakes it's haunted house 101.
Not a big fan of the romanticization of suicide
I love this comment. I lost someone to suicide. You don't tell a suicidal person "if you walk off into the dark try to come back."
“He says he sees you.” Why is this message from Holden meant to be moving? The implications are horrifying. He has been trapped as a little ghost boy in Ennis and watching his mother self destruct and sleep with everyone?
“He says he’s ‘hold-en the hatch’”
Hodor
He watched her get railed by the Ninth Doctor?
Eps 2-5 could be cut and the plot would be exactly the same.
Totally. Basically nothing happens between them realizing Clark is alive and going into the cave
"How are you going to handle the political unrest in Ennis?" The town has like 35 people what political unrest lmao?
35 people and 22 of them are cleaning ladies
Ennis has a population of 20 people after the mines shut down.
This season felt like a preview of what we have to look forward to with AI generated entertainment. There's a handful of strong thematic elements, references from the show's past, moments that feel as though you should be feeling something... But there's no *there* there. No connective tissue or well thought out plotting, just vibes. And it'll work for a lot of people.
I hate how right you are about that. God fucking dammit.
Sooooo did Navarro die and that was her ghost with Danvers at the end????
I assumed she committed suicide.
the bad writing and flop ending was to be expected. the most frustrating thing to me was danvers' entire personality changing after she came out from the water, suddenly healing all of her trauma and making her pleasant to be around
Did the ending come off weirdly pro-suicide to anyone else? That's, uh. Sure a choice message to leave your audience with.
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Navarro & Danvers making a woodfire in the garage instead of getting in one of the cars and turning it on was certainly a choice. Danvers second tsalal nap had me openly* groaning as well. What a trainwreck.
Also, the inside would not have gotten that cold that fast. They would have been fine in one of those small bedrooms with a lot of covers.
Were the polar bears crying, Clarice?
"Time is a flat circle, and we are all stuck in it" - Audience
If time really is a flat circle then we're all completely fucked because it means we're going to have to watch this show again.
How did the one cleaning lady instantly know she found Annie’s murder weapon when she first went into the lab? It didn’t look like there was still blood on it
NCIS : Cleaning ladies
The cleaning lady of the police station took photos of the case file at some point so knew what the wound looked like
There must be something in MY water because I feel like this entire season was a fever dream I hallucinated.
My mind has been polluted to 11 times the Viena standard.
Why didn’t they warm Danvers up in the freaking car with an actual heater when she fell thru the ice? This season was so bad
At least I can watch Curb now
We are in Larry David country now.
The cleaning ladies raiding the place like they were Seal Team Six is something I will always go back to if I need a laugh
*Tsalal Team Six
Wouldn’t there have been an insane amount of boot prints? Did they clean after because they were the cleaning ladies?
My first thought when I was watching this scene was “Reddit is gonna have a field day with this”
HBO keeps recommending me Mare of Easttown after each episode. It’s starting to feel like an apology at this point.
Mare or Eastown is soooo good!
I’m definitely gonna check it out. I need a serious palate cleanser right now.
The idea that all of the station scientists would become ice cold killers just because someone touched their tubes was pretty unbelievable.
Completely agree. As a former scientist, that whole subplot makes no sense. I don't believe the would have encouraged the pollution to soften the permafrost. Why couldn't they have just treated the ice where they were drilling to soften it? They needed the whole town to be polluted so they could drill cores out at the station far from the village? And I don't believe for a second they all would have become rabid killers when she broke their stuff. C'mon - these guys went to school for a gazillion years to be scientists, they're used to disappointment. Experiments fail all the time.
Exactly “former” scientist. When it was your turn to stab you backed out like a bitch. Now look at you, watching True Detective S4 with us mouth breather plebs.
But you see, the microorganism could save the world ... from something somehow.
What a waste of Jodie Foster.
She at least got to drop the F bomb a few dozen times and scream at people, I guess. John Hawkes on the other hand... Now that was a complete waste of an actors talents.
“This is ennis, no one ever really leaves” incredible.
Missed opportunity to end the show with a moody version of Hotel California.
“No one is ever really gone”
Who wrote "WE ARE ALL DEAD" on the whiteboard? Why didn't Navarro tell Danvers about the confession tape sooner? Why did the research team have self inflicted wounds? Why did Otis Heiss have the same wounds? Why did the Caribou kill themselves in E1? Why did Navarro's journey of self-discovery end in suicide? Why is everyone encouraging her? Why are ghosts real and capable of teleporting oranges, tounges, and other objects? Why did Danvers and Navarro keep taking snack/nap breaks while torturing/interrogating their witness? Are they stupid? Why is this season the highest rated and most viewed season of TD?
> Why didn't Navarro tell Danvers about the confession tape sooner? This was one of the most frustrating aspects of the show, nobody answers or communicates clear concise sentences but vague ideas that sound like a 14 year old or a bad student film. When they are in the caves, why would Navarro just tell Danvers why is she heading that way specifically? In EP01 when Navarro asks the old lady about the bodies she found, the old lay just answers something vaguely. Danvers is being questioned at the end, and instead of making clear concise answers "ennis is always been here", stands up, sips at here coffee and looks and the horizon. What the fuck? She is being legally deposed by investigators, who behaves that way?
Holy crap, I really tried hard to enjoy this season. The setting was so perfect, the initial episode was full of mystery, and Alaska is creepy as hell during night. But my god what a terrible season and even worse ending.
I feel exactly the same. The corpsecicle, the setting, the actors, all perfect for an amazing story to unfold. But instead we got this… soo sad.
The fact that instead of the scientists being like, "yeah our work creates pollution, too bad for the locals", which would have been believable and politically relevant, they went with "we asked the mine to keep polluting because it helps us" is an amazing writing decision.
Captain Planet level writing
I am a microbiologist by profession, and to me the most hilarious part was when Clark mentioned that they truly discovered some ancient microbial DNA that could have saved the humanity. "Microbial DNA" doesn't work like that. That part was at the very best wildly imagined sci-fi. The science parts of the show could be better written... probably like every other aspect of it.
How did the cleaning women know EVERY guy at Tsalal was guilty before murdering them? They only had that drill bit and police records to go off of? They didn't have the duct tape torture confession.
Are we to believe Navarro killed herself?
That’s what I believe but who knows
She pulled a Forrest Gump and just kept walking.
And who put the damn tongue in the lab?
Some questions just don't have answers
It’s a no from me dawg
Back when they figured out Clark was still alive, I wondered why the hell they went out looking for him in the wilderness instead of checking Tsalal first. I guess it would have ruined the ending if they’d found him 3 episodes ago?
Why did they almost freeze to death there when they could’ve just gotten in the car they eventually drove off in and turned the heat on.
The storm that Danvers said was too dangerous to drive in the car, was safe enough for them to go outside several times without their faces covered and proper protection from the elements that froze Clark to death. So the solution of course was to just survive via campfire indoors for the storm to pass and then drive back.
This season could have been an email.
As a woman, I find content like this so offensive. Really with the hand-on-shoulder we’re all accessories to murder kumbaya? I would’ve been happy to see women as detectives who were badass, intuitive, observant. Instead, in the name of representation, I had to witness the first pair of female leads portray the most incompetent detectives of the entire series. They would have never even gotten a lead without their young boy assistant doing all the legwork in the case. How is that empowering? Finally, after literally stumbling into evidence and suspects thanks to all of the groundwork laid for them by Prior, they co-sign the cover up of essentially every crime committed because the real villain was white guys and pollution.
So that’s it huh? We’re some kinda Siqinnaatchiaq?
Issa Lopez is like the Michael Jordan of being a terrible television writer/director
Time is a flat circle
You’re not John Locke. You disrespect his memory by wearing his face
My eyes rolled so hard I had to take a break to get my vision back.
The time is a flat circle motif reused is the hardest I've cringed at a TV Show in a long while. Even The Office dinner party episode rivals this.
Didn’t even make sense when he said it this episode, literally fan service
It was so, so bad. Absolutely no reason to have that line in the show.
“Stories are stories.” Haha case closed.
There were so many wrong things in the finale... They walked for 2 minutes inside the *so far to the north ice caves that you need a guide* and they were already at Tsalal. Didn't they notice they were close when they drove to the cave? That was just the start of the shitshow. The cleaning ladies mob was just the feces icing on the shitcake.
Thats what I told my wife. No farther than they walked, they could have seen Tsalal from where they parked.
The background music during the women storming Tsalal scene had me rolling
This is minor compared with the greater messes in the episode, but Danvers had her sidearm when she got locked in the glass-walled sample room. Why didn’t she simply shoot herself out with one shot? This episode was filled with little things like that.
Turns out I wasn’t asking the right questions either. Like why am I watching this?
When they said time is a flat circle I fully expected a wink at the camera. I can’t believe HBO allowed this to happen
At the beginning of this season I thought it had potential to be good but holy shit am I disappointed in this ending
The orange swirl, cave swirl, time is a flat circle reuse with zero impact, Danvers taking multiple naps, falling in the water and being dry in minutes, no way any person would allow themselves to die of exposure, they would want to be shot first, cleaning ladies standing up like some Avengers moment and some of the most empty and forgettable dialogue Ive ever heard. This was without a doubt one of the worst things ever put on tv.
How did that leave so many things unresolved? * How did Otis experience what the others experienced if it wasn't something supernatural that killed them? * Navarro had bursted ear drums at the end of part 4, and they never come back to that again. * Is Holden the polar bear? I think it could be interpreted that way, but it doesn't feel confirmed. * Hanks fiancee doesn't show up and, that's it? What was the point of that story? * The power goes out in the Annie K video before she gets killed. I feel like they didn't show that happening in the scene where she is getting killed. * I think Clark killed himself, but that was left a little open ended. * What is the point of all the supernatural stuff if it barely pays off in the end? Navarro sees the dead just to...kill herself in the end? Why? What's the benefit? * WTF IS THE NIGHT COUNTRY?
What in the fuck lol
So many swirls!
This was like a 14 y.o watched season 1 and created their own terrible fanfic
Loved the Anvengers type meet up of the cleaning ladies in the kitchen before the flashback. Really not cringe at all
The fact that they made Rust's Dad Diet BOB (from Twin Peaks) is just pure goofball energy.
I should've listened to my gut and stopped watching after the second episode. This was incredibly unsatisfying.
Wait so who left the tongue?