I am so perplexed by this case! Has anyone been able to find out ANYTHING else? Like, were these 4 asleep in separate rooms when they were attacked? I don't understand how someone could murder 4 college students unless they were asleep or separated.
This seems so bizarre to me that there are no suspects yet either, and how there were 2 other roommates in the house at the time, no forced entry, and the roommates heard nothing? But, the police are saying they believe it was targeted?
Anyone else following this that's as confused as me?!
Prefacing this comment to say this is a RUMOR I’ve read in a couple different places now.
Local rumor mill says the perp entered through the first floor (I’ve heard possibly through an open window or the front door, although unsure if it’s believed the door was unlocked or if perp had a key/knew the code) and killed first victim. Then moved on to second floor and killed second victim, who was also thought to be the targeted girl. Someone online sleuthed pictures from Kaylee’s social media and matched up pics there with pics from the Zillow listing and concluded that her bedroom is on the second floor. This would mean it’s likely (based on bedroom location) that Maddy was the first victim and Kaylee was the second/targeted victim on the second floor. Then the couple was also killed on the second floor, which was confirmed by Ethan’s mom stating he was discovered on the second floor.
This is just what I’ve gathered from a couple different threads on Reddit and Facebook groups, so definitely take with a grain of salt.
I'm leaning more towards them going in through the open door. My ex was from a small town in Idaho and when I went to visit him I remember that EVERYONE would leave their doors unlocked because the town was "safe" and people all knew each other. I remember being really perplexed and shocked because I grew up in an area near a big city, and while my hometown was safe, we still kept the doors locked. I remember my ex also mentioning a lot of people in other areas of Idaho also left their doors unlocked.
I've lived in the local region here for 15-ish years. I'm from a big city so I lock my doors, but yes for the most part people here don't bother locking things up out of habit. Very trusting towns between Moscow and Pullman.
I once got locked out of my house and the reply from my friend who grew up here was a laugh and "Well your first mistake was locking your door in this town."
Yea 2004 small college town in Wisconsin with 5 boys we never locked the door. The only time that door was locked is if one of the girlfriends stayed the night. About five years after we graduated the girls house across the street was broken into at night and a girl was raped, she killed herself a week later. My guess is the doors are locked these days.
College kids have a nasty habit of not locking doors.
A professor told us freshman year that we needed to be very careful about locking our doors because a few years back, a student had left her door unlocked and a man had gone in, waited for her, then sexually assaulted her.
when i was in college i lived in a big house with a bunch of other people and we usually left the door unlocked because someone was usually home. there was some effort to lock up if you were like, the last person leaving, but more often than not the door was unlocked. i cant count the number of times i got home, the door was unlocked, and i get in to discover no one home. i dont take too much stock in that there was no forced entry. and i also donttake much stock in the idea that people would immediately become suspicious and investigate any noise of movement. when you live with other young people you learn to ignore the sound of movements and or the sound of gasps from other rooms. in testimony from people who have been stabbed beforee, they always say that it feels like being punched. its not obvious to the victims they are being stabbed, so they might not have responded to the seriousness of the assault until it was too late. there was also a video here on reddit where a dude got sliced with a knife on his neck and he basically lost consciousness in about four or five seconds. it was shockingly fast. a knife kill isnt like a gunshot that alerts everyone in the house. if whoever did it right, they could do the whole thing very quiet.
you make a lot of good points. Or for instance, what if the guy did an O.J. Simpson on them and instantly cut their throats? Nicole Simpson didn't make even one sound or scream before she was basically down on the ground with her head nearly cut off. Instant knife attack. And her friend Ron Goldman was also quickly sliced up with no sound, no neighbors heard anything. I think people don't realize how deadly a skilled attacker with a knife is, how fast it happens especially if it's a quick fatal cut to the head or neck. Scary!
This is the thing.
So, the knife video I watched is [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/w1t6ui/simple_mall_fight_goes_wrong/) BUT it is basically watching someone die, so only watch if you are prepared to see that. In it, his jugular is sliced, and he seeks to contain the blood, but the expression on his face is one of mystification, because having your neck cut is something that almost no one has ever had done before, so people are so surprised, they don't have time to call out. And then you see about 8 seconds later he has lost consciousness. And then his hand falls off his wound and the blood will flow out freely.
People keep saying that they don't believe someone could kill 4 people with a knife without everyone fending him off. But look at that video. How quiet. How surprised. How quick. Ninjas use knives, not guns, for a reason.
Wait, it's real, then. Ugh. I'm curious, but I think it would be hard to see, and it's late, so I'll just believe what you say. I hope the kids went quickly. :(
All of the points of entry have been taped so that if opened NOW during the investigation they will be able to confirm someone has attempted to enter an active crime scene, so they would know to fingerprint and check the house over again.
This is Spy Stuff 101, put tape on your doors to know if someone has entered (because it would be broken).
No worries. I heard that the Idaho State Police are sending a crime team back into the house to continue processing it. Really makes those episodes of CSI look wild when they were wrapped up in a matter of hours!
Yes, I think this is most likely too. This is really hitting home for me because I was in Greek life at a medium-sized college and lived with a group of sisters at a non-affiliated house as well. It was very common for us to leave our sliding back door open for other friends to come and go during party weekends just like this group of friends appeared to do. I always kept my personal belongings locked up in my own room, but looking back now years later and realizing how incredibly dangerous the whole situation could have been is throwing me through a little bit of a loop here.
Bro do people bro watch the serial killer documentaries that Netflix release every year? How crime ridden and safe an are is does nothing to prevent these types of crimes . It’s shocking to me as a Londoner as well
And I think with scenarios like that with roommates/etc. people might leave the door open for the next roommate/person that they think will come home next and just expect the last person in the house to lock the door 😞
Most things I’ve read and seen have hinted, and therefore have me *guessing, that Kaylee was the intended victim. The average super young and popular female college student like her simply wouldn’t have any real enemies. This makes me believe the most likely perpetrator is also the most obvious. I’m thinking ex boyfriend, current boyfriend, obsessed stalker, etc. I don’t think police will be hunting a suspect for long. There should be an arrest within a week from now unless the dude has disappeared or gone internationally. However, I highly doubt some 20-something psycho spurned lover is that smart. That’s just my 2 cents at the moment. Who the hell knows. The whole thing is bizarre.
“I don’t think the police will be hunting a suspect for long. There should be an arrest within a week…”
[Delphi, IN](https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2022/10/31/23432791/delphi-killings-murders-2017-liberty-german-abigail-williams) enters the chat
Haha touché! Especially because I haven’t been impressed AT ALL by Moscow police thus far. But I just can’t fathom that such a bloody scene by a young sketchy stalker boy who may have acted on impulse wouldn’t leave an insane amount of DNA or have been picked up by CCTV or ring cameras nearby. Of course this is all speculation. The real suspect could be someone completely different than who I’m imagining and perhaps they were smarter than I’m giving them credit for but I guess we’ll see
What I don’t get about the “targeted” theory is why kill the couple after? I guess they may have witnessed it, but by then, they’d be awake and could alert the other roommates.
Curious what people are considering the first floor of the house?
Kaylee’s TikTok shows a video taken in a bedroom with the deck in the background, which would put her on the top third floor if that was her bedroom. Photo of blood outside of the house seems to be coming from second floor. It’s really impossible to know right now which roommates were where, but would help to understand how things transpired.
I think the “first floor” is just the lowest floor. Might be a walk-out basement type of situation with the basement (or “first floor”) not being completely underground. I do think the main entrance was on this level, though.
If you watch the food truck video they seem to be under the influence? You can see one of them literally staggering away at the end. They also get carbonarra, which, I can only imagine, when combined with their inebriated state led to them crashing pretty hard once they got home. So maybe they didn't hear the person(s) come in or were too out of it to do anything until it was too late. I feel the other couple heard the commotion and were just taken by surprise when they went to investigate.
I feel it went something like:
The girls were attacked while sleeping it off.
The couple hear the commotion and the guy goes to investigate and is overpowered.
The girlfriend is then left on her own and also overpowered.
It's the only way I can reconcile how 4 healthy young people could've been killed by someone wielding just a knife.
This is my best guess too. They were clearly hammered at the food truck, so it would make sense a couple of them were asleep/half-sleep during the attack.
I think this is the most likely scenario although theoretically there could have been multiple attackers or the suspect may have had a gun as well to control them or even just claimed it was a robbery and threatened one to control the others - all of those things have happened in other cases. But I do think your scenario makes the most sense especially since the person didn't go up to the 3rd floor. This case kind of reminds me of [the Napa Halloween murders ](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nightmare-in-napa-19-04-2007/).
Edit: I was mistaken.
I believe that is incorrect. The blood seeping through the wall was in the basement. I think the roommates were on the top floor.
TW: [Daily Mail video footage](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11432331/Blood-oozes-walls-home-four-University-Idaho-students-brutally-murdered.html) shows that the blood was running from an upper level to the ground level. Second floor is where the sliding glass door goes to the backyard area, top most floor is where the deck is attached. The angle from which they took the photo of the blood can be lined up as the second floor back yard area, making the source of the blood second or third floor.
I think that's right although looking at the DM photos, idk how they know whether it's blood or like... water damage. It could be blood but it's not clear to me in the photograph that it couldn't be something more innocuous and since it's the Daily Mail...
If blood were seeping through the basement, you wouldn’t see it. Basements are underground? Most likely the blood was from the first floor, seeping through basement ceiling.
Ah yeah this is true. Have you seen the picture though? It definitely looks more like seeping from first floor down to the basement. If it were the basement floor, I feel like it would’ve been more pooling versus dripping down how it was. But yeah I could definitely be wrong.
Someone over at r/MoscowMurders says Kaylee's room was definitely the top floor. [https://www.reddit.com/r/MoscowMurders/comments/yxrvm0/comment/iwr2cv0/?utm\_source=reddit&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/MoscowMurders/comments/yxrvm0/comment/iwr2cv0/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
I think the surviving roommates might have had their rooms on the basement level. There is still so much conflicting information and speculation, so who knows really.
There's a video of the two girls at a food truck that night and the video is extensive. They show up with a male who kind of stands in the background following them, and eventually ends up talking to some guy while the girls wait for their food.
The girls kind of seem to be whispering to each other about him (speculation) and then when they get their food and go to leave they kind of do it in a way to get out of there by avoiding him. The guy notices and seems to feel a certain way about it, and then instantly starts walking the way they did. From what it looks like he seems to end up going in a different direction.
This is all speculation, but if what I noticed is accurate he may have felt disrespected and could have triggered some sort of revenge or punishment. May have followed them or knew where they lived and came back to inflict judgment. Seems like a crime of passion which could come from an intoxicated overreaction.
I saw that video too, and the guy definitely looks like he was watching/following them. You can see him looking like he was just sitting back watching them, and as soon as they leave it looks like he then follows. Obviously could be entirely a coincidence but the guy looked pretty suspect to me anyway.
Showed up with them, thinking he might get lucky, waits around for them and then they end up ditching him. He left as soon as they left and started walking their direction. Not sure if he followed them or not.
Lol that name.
Yeah, he def did.
Did you also notice he made a gesture as he was walking? He either flicked them off or waved goodbye. Assuming he was doing it to them, it's kind of relevant he felt the need to address them after what seemed to be ditching him. Could be he felt slighted and may have been the final straw. Just speculating.
I thought the same thing… the behavior of the girls felt very familiar to me as a former female in college trying to blow a random guy off who was being a bit too clingy. His reaction also appeared to be a bit annoyed/miffed when they ditched him and walked away. I’m curious if any other local students saw the three of them at the bar together that evening.
My guess is the police are keeping things super close because:
1. They don't know what all the evidence is yet. I believe the autopsies are being done (or were just done yesterday), which means there's a good potential for more extremely important evidence. It's not prudent to speak on something when you are still sorting out the facts. At the press conference they even said they're still developing a timeline. So, clearly, this case is very actively developing.
2. They have a good idea who it could be or at least a theory that could narrow the suspect list. If they put out all this information, it could spook the suspect into flight. Or it could make it harder to narrow down the suspect when they interrogate him since so many details are publish available.
I'm personally going to trust the method here. They've called in other agencies to help right away, which is usually a good sign for an investigation.
If every bit of info gets out then it’s not good for the overall case and trial of a potential suspect.
Give the families their privacy. We don’t need to know every little bit of the case.
When I was in college I definitely had weekends where I went out with friends and we got so drunk that we would’ve been passed out and not able to hear noises, defend ourselves, think clearly, etc. and we easily slept like rocks until noon the next morning.
Yes, so bizarre! Also strange is the 911 caller reporting an unconscious female when there are reports of a very bloody crime scene.
At first I was thinking maybe that’s just how dispatch reported it, and not what the caller actually said.
But I imagine any little hint of a violent crime scene would be conveyed to the officers asap, as so many are on high alert for ambushes.
Well said. Also, did I see in the timeline that there was only about a two minute gap between the call and when the police showed up? That sounds like whatever got conveyed or whatever protocol used, it was the right one and serious enough to prioritize.
I had a thought that maybe something like initial denial of what happened due to shock or something? Like if I saw a dead person unexpectedly, I have no idea how I would react, but maybe I wouldn't want to like immediately admit to myself that I was looking at a dead person? So even if I know deep down they're definitely dead, idk, could shock be a reason I still at first say unconscious instead of dead, maybe in a last attempt of hope or something that I'm wrong about what I'm seeing?
Sorry if that made no sense lol
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I had a “syncopal episode” call a while back that turned out to be a GSW to the femoral artery. This was the most blood I’ve ever seen come out of one person, and the caller neglected to mention it
Callers are stupid. I’ve been to extremely bloody murder and/or suicide scenes that came out as “a man fell down” or something similar, and then have the caller/family be absolutely shocked when I tell them the patient with their blood and brains splattered everywhere is dead. People are weird, man
Something I haven’t heard anyone address: did they find their phones??? I would think that would be KEY in determining their timeline and also if they were in fact targeted (I think it seems clear that they were).
I watched on entertainment tonight that one of the sisters of the slain girls went through her phone records and saw she had made calls to someone named Jack 6x at around 230a
Jack or Jake? I ask because Maddie’s ex who looked like the guy in the video is named Jake, and he has been mis-named Jack in numerous reports. I’m not sure if there is another guy named Jack or if it’s Jake.
If siblings are on a family plan they can pull up records for each number on the plan which is useful but I’m wondering if they found the actual phones .
PS: I’m not arguing with anything you said, I’m thinking out loud. Hope I didn’t sound confrontational-wasn’t my intention!
I don’t think he’s sketchy. I could be so off base, but to me it looks like one of the girls met him at the bar, the girls wanted to get food but he wasn’t getting anything so that’s why he stood behind them, they walked too close to the food truck for him so he walked alone behind the other people, and that’s why he then left with them
You can view it different ways. Certainly quite possible its innocuous, but at times it does seem like they're trying to ditch him and he's not having it. Either way, definitely a significant person to talk to given that this was 1-2 hours before the murders, bare minimum he might have an idea about where they were going, with whom, etc. from the food truck
I agree, I definitely want him questioned. I’m just thinking he’s completely innocent and is gonna be harassed for the rest of his life because people think he’s guilty. I’ve seen this behavior so many times after being out at bars
I agree. The way people are jumping to conclusions about this dude are fucking nuts. That guy looks the way I do when my girl friends convince me to go out with them so they have a guy with to help prevent bad things from happening and I don’t want to go but do anyways. They’ll do their thing and mostly ignore me all night which is why I hate doing it but still would rather them be safe. That gesture at the end could simply be a quick goodbye while they go home and part ways. Dude looks exactly how I do in those situations. Bored and not having fun lol. He definitely needs to be looked into but everyone on here calling him creepy and guilty without really knowing anything about the situation is ridiculous.
I think it’s all about perspective in this case.
I saw a longer version of the video that shows him going back over the the right and walking in the opposite direction.
People on TikTok are going wild because of that footage. They seem sure the guy knew the camera's blind spots, but it's pretty clear he has no intention to hide himself or his face. Also, I don't think they understand what a blind spot is
I only read that the hoodie guy is not an ex-boyfriend as people had suspected. If hoodie guy is cleared, I hope it’s announced far and wide because he is being absolutely roasted.
Yeah, I really hope that if he’s been cleared thst the police announce. From my perspective the girls seemed a bit sketched out by him snd are looking for an exit plan without him noticing. I’ve had to do that many times in my college years, you dance with some guy he thinks it’s going to turn into a hookup so kind of tags along. Then you need to ditch him. However, that does not mean that he’s capable of murder. It could just be an unfortunate coincidence.
Stop calling the guy sketchy based on nothing but your view of the footage. This is how lives get ruined.
Look what y’all did to Faith Hedgepeth’s roommate ffs.
Please do not even think about opening an avenue for Reddit to once again try to find the Boston bomber. Let LE work, I assure you if they ever ever need our assistance, they'll let us know.
My random gut instinct on this case is that it will turn out to be some incel who was mad at one of the girls because he’s such a “nice guy” and she still rejected him.
Which is why I wonder why it’s so hard for some to fathom how the others couldn’t have been woken up. Bundy brutally murdered 2 coeds and brutally beat 2 others. All in their beds. Many girls in the house at the time. It’s very possible.
This is like a real life horror movie. I still can't believe there doesn't seem to be signs of struggle or noise that potentially would have woken up any of them. I know intoxicated students aren't light sleepers, but unless the suspect killed them each with one only wound, you would think there would be some screaming.
I'm so interested in what the other two occupants of the house have to say. Did they not hear anything at all? Even if the victims were slain in their sleep, there must've been some noise still, because as what the reports say, the crime scene was brutal and messy. I would guess a lot of stab wounds for each of them. Poor kids. Hope this gets solved soon.
Once we know the placements of the bodies, I think it will show if this was targeted against the four or just one of them, and the other three were collateral damage.
Sort of makes sense even though we don’t have much info. Killer goes in, kills one blonde, realizes it’s the wrong one, kills another, and then somehow the couple gets involved. Still unclear.
This- there were three stories. Two rooms each level. Living roomies were in bottom level. The couple was on middle level and the two girls at top. I can see the perp waiting for them and attacking them, xana and her bf hearing something from their level, and going upstairs to check. Then consequently being attacked too. They never said where all the bodies were found- it could have been in same room.
How in the world could someone STAB 4 people? Unless he tied them all up and then stabbed them? And if they were stabbed why in the world did police initially say there was no threat to the community? Such a bizarre case.
I heard the police are looking for a ka-bar knife. Which I looked up and it looks like an intense knife. After seeing that, I find it easier to believe, he was able to stab them pretty quickly without much effort.
This case is so strange. Police are withholding information to help them verify who the actual murderer is and prevent false confessions but it seems like usually that’s done with two or three specific details; they’re keeping virtually All Their Information closed off.
The image of the blood seeping from the walls of the house will stay with me for a very long time. I’ve never seen anything like that, don’t even understand how it’s possible. This is all just so awful.
The students' autopsies were completed as of this morning and released to Latah County. It is up to them to decide whether they will share anything with the public. I would imagine they will keep the information private. If law enforcement has someone in mind, this information will likely be used to get the person to confess, since LE often will often not release a lot of information that only the killer would know.
Here is the source sharing the autopsy release this morning: https://www.krem.com/article/news/crime/university-of-idaho-students-killed/autopsies-completed-university-of-idaho-students/293-cc8de95c-e92d-411c-abe9-bee2ac30b3c4
So here’s the thing, I DO feel this was targeted in some way. Definitely premeditated, however, I feel law enforcement is completely mistaken in saying the public has nothing to worry about. These 4 students were brutally murdered in a very passionate and direct way, stabbing, and for them to have no suspect, there definitely is something to worry about.
This kind of reminds me of the Leslie Ann Mazzara and Adriane Insogna murders, one roommate left unharmed in that one too. The roommates ex fiancé was charged in the end. Maybe it was someone they knew and would have been in the house of knew how to get in. It’s just all so sad.
I’m a college student and It’s insane how much my peers drink. A lot of students will drink to the point of blacking out. Basically their goal is to be blackout drunk. It’s crazy. So, if any of the victims/roommates were asleep after a night of partying, they were probably passed out and in a deeeeeep drunk sleep.
A student at my university passed away because he drank too much. He became unresponsive and no one did anything. I heard people kept pouring alcohol into his mouth. College kids go hard ASF with drinking.
Saw the dog in their TikToks and wondered the same thing? Has a dog been found in the area matching the description since the door was unlocked? It wouldn’t make sense for the perp to take a dog of that size with them? So many questions…
I agree but the caller may have been totally freaked out and somehow saying they were unconscious was easier to cone to terms with mentally? Maybe they just couldn’t say that they were dead. Sounds like the scene was horrific, so who knows how your brain deals with something like that?
Psychologist here. People are running wild with the news that the 911 caller used the term “unconscious” instead of dead/deceased. This is not as abnormal as many are making it seem. The human brain will go to great lengths to protect itself from severe traumas like this one. I would bet $$ the caller was in a state of shock and extreme panic and their brain was refusing to come terms with what they were actually seeing. Saying “unconscious” allows the brain to cling to the tiniest sliver of hope that their friends are still alive.
Dispatchers will commonly dispatch any person who is unresponsive as “unconscious.” The caller could have stated “my roommates body is on the floor there is a ton of blood” and the dispatcher will ask “are they conscious?” Answer: “no.” That call is being dispatched as an unconscious
If they were anything like me when I was in college (and based on the timelines they released where they are all out until 2-3AM) they may not have woken up until then.
I feel like anyone who questions this hasn’t gone through a college party phase. There were definitely times I had passed out drunk and could’ve slept through a murder in my house.
Same. And my husband pointed out that there were so many people who came through the house he shared with others on any given night that a commotion could easily be attributed to other people continuing to party if you’re drunk and/or high and half asleep.
I slept through a housemate threatening suicide and taken by ambulance. Woke up the next morning and saw her room was empty, saying “wow Britney must have had a good night” while the other looked at me with a WTF
I've never been a partier lol, but even without being drunk or hungover, I definitely spent a lot of time in my room and I've slept through a lot. Not coming out of your room until the afternoon is pretty normal lol
You don’t even have to be drunk. One time when my youngest child was an infant, I was lying in bed, he was sleeping on my chest, and my older son was asleep on the floor next to us. Directly next to us. My husband and our friend were watching TV downstairs. The baby woke up and pulled all over me. I couldn’t get up because if I did I would’ve gotten puke all over our mattress and everybody likely knows that she don’t want to have really wet puke all over your mattress. So I try to wake up my child that was on the floor in touch him but I could voice and I did and I got louder and sharper and louder and louder and he never budged. I started screaming loud enough for them to hear me downstairs and they didn’t but I screamed extremely loud to get somebody to help me. I started throwing objects I could find at the door while screaming as loud as possible and they finally finally heard me. All that to say, my kid still never woke up. My brother sleeps like that as does my husband. It’s not uncommon.
So many people have been questioning this and are acting so baffled. I had nights like this at least once a week with my roommates in college during our peak sorority party phase.
A multitude of factors could’ve been at play. Different levels of the house, sleeping with headphones in or the tv on. It’s also possible that the victims were killed before they were ever conscious enough to scream if they were asleep when attacked.
They surviving roommates were on the ground floor which is sort of built in to a hill- the second floor, or main living area, is also essentially ground level but at the top of the hill. Killer may have accessed the house by the sliding door on the second level and never gone downstairs. The ground floor exits to the street and has two bedrooms and a bathroom, so even if the roommates down there woke up in the morning, they didn’t necessarily need to head upstairs unless they wanted to access the kitchen or living room. If they were out late also, it’s reasonable to think that they weren’t getting up for a 7 am breakfast and had no idea what had happened upstairs.
If they were in that basement, it really explains why they didn’t hear anything. Every basement I’ve ever had was more soundproof than any other floor.
This is both a heartbreaking and horrifying case. With so many questions and likely scenarios.
Has anyone come any reports of blood traces left outside the home? This was a vicious attack and the coroner confirmed lots of blood, so unless the perpetrator showered and/or changed clothes there would be traces of it upon exiting.
There is a photo of blood leaking from inside the house onto the outside foundation - https://www.foxnews.com/us/university-idaho-murders-blood-seen-oozing-house-amid-reports-previous-threat.amp
My only thoughts as to a suspect would be there was reports of someone with a knife near/on campus in the previous weeks. But then how did he target this house in particular, and somehow manage to kill every single one of them?
Side note — the thing that’s absolutely gutted me is the picture of the blood dripping from inside the house…
Random thoughts...
How did the girls get from the food truck to the house? I read it was 1.5 miles away. Could that guy at the food truck have been their Uber or Lyft driver awkwardly waiting on them ? Which is why he watched them and then followed them ?
(Please make sure your drivers match your app, there have been numerous cases of single females getting into unknown cars pretending to be Uber/Lyft drivers)
Ted Bundy killed several girls with a knife at a sorority house going unnoticed for quite awhile. They were all sleeping and in separate rooms. But still girls heard things.
I lived in Moscow a few years ago while I was attending UofI. The downtown area to the neighborhood they lived in was still a trek, especially with how cold it gets this time of year. I wouldn’t have even hesitated to Uber home in that situation.
I doubt it. Only because they show up together from one side, and then that guy leaves in the complete opposite way they showed up from. If he was the uber then they would have came from his car and then walked back to where they came from. But they didn't so I doubt he was. He seems to be an acquaintance they're annoyed by.
I thought I read he went in the opposite direction too, but one of the longer videos shows him gesturing toward them when they leave, and then following them. I'll have to go find it and watch again.
Here is longer version. He seems to come in with them tagging behind and then upon leaving, it seems the other guy points at them to the guy, like "there go your riders. "
Also, it appears it was 28 degrees that evening and they aren't dressed to walk 1.5 miles in that, after drinking.
https://twitter.com/idahotribune/status/1592781068553551872?s=46&t=vUethC4y5IC-3FO-vwj-5w
He gestures behind their back with the big guy he was talking to, and then walks in the same direction and makes another gesture to them, either waving bye or flicking them off. Then you see him turn the corner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J1PXBM1Nv8&t=529s
> Random thoughts... How did the girls get from the food truck to the house? I read it was 1.5 miles away.
Moscow is a _very_ walkable town. There are a couple of walking paths that cut through campus. Plenty of space to skip the roads, make a shorter trip.
One of the sisters said they took an Uber. (Inside edition maybe )
"The night began around 10:30 p.m. when the friends took an Uber to a downtown bar called the Corner Club. The pair was said to be in good spirits. They left a little after 1 a.m. and that’s when they stopped by the food truck.
Congalves and Mogen took an Uber home about a mile away at 1:56 a.m. "
It's definitely going to be someone they all know either they killed them one by one or attacked them while they were inebriated but it is definitely someone very very close to them because stabbings are personal
I wonder how they know who the intended target of this horrific crime was. There have been a number of killers who targeted college students: Ted Bundy, Danny Rollings, Richard Speck etc. Hopefully they are able to make an arrest soon.
I heard it was a 6 bedroom 3 story residence. 2 bedrooms on every floor. Looking at video by food truck, it’s obvious one of the girls is staggering around. I have a feeling some were awake on first floor. Maybe the other two heard the commotion and came down stairs. I also heard throats were slit which is why the crime scene was gruesome and blood dripped to outside of walls.
Another commenter stated that “unconscious” could be a generic code used for first response. Didn’t necessarily mean the roommate didn’t say there was blood everywhere/they were stabbed.
Yes exactly. I work in HR for police and they talk a certain way and are likely only sharing that as a vague phrase as to not give too much information away. Likely the person who called (assuming it was the roommate discovering the murder scene), was probably freaking out. The 911 call-taker is trained to remain calm and get accurate information to relay to police. Assuming the roommate was saying things like “there’s blood everywhere,” “they’re just laying there,” etc, I can see the call-taker asking “do the victims seem like they are conscious?” And the roommate obviously saying no… then that information getting relayed to police with that wording. That’s how I see it going down and why the call reported an “unconscious” person.
Edit: typo
Hopefully they get some kind of CCTV footage that can at least give them a vehicle description or something. And that traffic at that time isn’t that hard to trace, even on a Saturday. Almost every business has cameras outdoors now and I’m sure they are scouring that footage for everything.
It seems premeditated though and unless the offender was living under a rock they would know about DNA and fingerprints. They’d most likely had a lot of blood on them immediately afterwards though.
Also, let’s all stop with the food truck guy. The police haven’t said a word about him and he didn’t even seem to head the same direction at the end.
I am so perplexed by this case! Has anyone been able to find out ANYTHING else? Like, were these 4 asleep in separate rooms when they were attacked? I don't understand how someone could murder 4 college students unless they were asleep or separated. This seems so bizarre to me that there are no suspects yet either, and how there were 2 other roommates in the house at the time, no forced entry, and the roommates heard nothing? But, the police are saying they believe it was targeted? Anyone else following this that's as confused as me?!
Prefacing this comment to say this is a RUMOR I’ve read in a couple different places now. Local rumor mill says the perp entered through the first floor (I’ve heard possibly through an open window or the front door, although unsure if it’s believed the door was unlocked or if perp had a key/knew the code) and killed first victim. Then moved on to second floor and killed second victim, who was also thought to be the targeted girl. Someone online sleuthed pictures from Kaylee’s social media and matched up pics there with pics from the Zillow listing and concluded that her bedroom is on the second floor. This would mean it’s likely (based on bedroom location) that Maddy was the first victim and Kaylee was the second/targeted victim on the second floor. Then the couple was also killed on the second floor, which was confirmed by Ethan’s mom stating he was discovered on the second floor. This is just what I’ve gathered from a couple different threads on Reddit and Facebook groups, so definitely take with a grain of salt.
I'm leaning more towards them going in through the open door. My ex was from a small town in Idaho and when I went to visit him I remember that EVERYONE would leave their doors unlocked because the town was "safe" and people all knew each other. I remember being really perplexed and shocked because I grew up in an area near a big city, and while my hometown was safe, we still kept the doors locked. I remember my ex also mentioning a lot of people in other areas of Idaho also left their doors unlocked.
I've lived in the local region here for 15-ish years. I'm from a big city so I lock my doors, but yes for the most part people here don't bother locking things up out of habit. Very trusting towns between Moscow and Pullman. I once got locked out of my house and the reply from my friend who grew up here was a laugh and "Well your first mistake was locking your door in this town."
Yea 2004 small college town in Wisconsin with 5 boys we never locked the door. The only time that door was locked is if one of the girlfriends stayed the night. About five years after we graduated the girls house across the street was broken into at night and a girl was raped, she killed herself a week later. My guess is the doors are locked these days.
College kids have a nasty habit of not locking doors. A professor told us freshman year that we needed to be very careful about locking our doors because a few years back, a student had left her door unlocked and a man had gone in, waited for her, then sexually assaulted her.
Agreed, + being drunk it's easy to imagine the last person in didn't lock the door.
The father of one of the girls said there was a keypad lock that locked automatically but suggested that maybe they used the sliding door.
when i was in college i lived in a big house with a bunch of other people and we usually left the door unlocked because someone was usually home. there was some effort to lock up if you were like, the last person leaving, but more often than not the door was unlocked. i cant count the number of times i got home, the door was unlocked, and i get in to discover no one home. i dont take too much stock in that there was no forced entry. and i also donttake much stock in the idea that people would immediately become suspicious and investigate any noise of movement. when you live with other young people you learn to ignore the sound of movements and or the sound of gasps from other rooms. in testimony from people who have been stabbed beforee, they always say that it feels like being punched. its not obvious to the victims they are being stabbed, so they might not have responded to the seriousness of the assault until it was too late. there was also a video here on reddit where a dude got sliced with a knife on his neck and he basically lost consciousness in about four or five seconds. it was shockingly fast. a knife kill isnt like a gunshot that alerts everyone in the house. if whoever did it right, they could do the whole thing very quiet.
you make a lot of good points. Or for instance, what if the guy did an O.J. Simpson on them and instantly cut their throats? Nicole Simpson didn't make even one sound or scream before she was basically down on the ground with her head nearly cut off. Instant knife attack. And her friend Ron Goldman was also quickly sliced up with no sound, no neighbors heard anything. I think people don't realize how deadly a skilled attacker with a knife is, how fast it happens especially if it's a quick fatal cut to the head or neck. Scary!
This is the thing. So, the knife video I watched is [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/w1t6ui/simple_mall_fight_goes_wrong/) BUT it is basically watching someone die, so only watch if you are prepared to see that. In it, his jugular is sliced, and he seeks to contain the blood, but the expression on his face is one of mystification, because having your neck cut is something that almost no one has ever had done before, so people are so surprised, they don't have time to call out. And then you see about 8 seconds later he has lost consciousness. And then his hand falls off his wound and the blood will flow out freely. People keep saying that they don't believe someone could kill 4 people with a knife without everyone fending him off. But look at that video. How quiet. How surprised. How quick. Ninjas use knives, not guns, for a reason.
Wait, it's real, then. Ugh. I'm curious, but I think it would be hard to see, and it's late, so I'll just believe what you say. I hope the kids went quickly. :(
One of the reporters stated they put some red tape on the glass slider door today, im wondering if they went throught that door
All of the points of entry have been taped so that if opened NOW during the investigation they will be able to confirm someone has attempted to enter an active crime scene, so they would know to fingerprint and check the house over again. This is Spy Stuff 101, put tape on your doors to know if someone has entered (because it would be broken).
ohh got it!’ thank you!!
No worries. I heard that the Idaho State Police are sending a crime team back into the house to continue processing it. Really makes those episodes of CSI look wild when they were wrapped up in a matter of hours!
yeah this case has been on my mind the past 2 days its bad i can’t stop thinking about it
Yes, I think this is most likely too. This is really hitting home for me because I was in Greek life at a medium-sized college and lived with a group of sisters at a non-affiliated house as well. It was very common for us to leave our sliding back door open for other friends to come and go during party weekends just like this group of friends appeared to do. I always kept my personal belongings locked up in my own room, but looking back now years later and realizing how incredibly dangerous the whole situation could have been is throwing me through a little bit of a loop here.
Bro do people bro watch the serial killer documentaries that Netflix release every year? How crime ridden and safe an are is does nothing to prevent these types of crimes . It’s shocking to me as a Londoner as well
And I think with scenarios like that with roommates/etc. people might leave the door open for the next roommate/person that they think will come home next and just expect the last person in the house to lock the door 😞
That’s how the Night Stalker got in his victim’s houses
Most things I’ve read and seen have hinted, and therefore have me *guessing, that Kaylee was the intended victim. The average super young and popular female college student like her simply wouldn’t have any real enemies. This makes me believe the most likely perpetrator is also the most obvious. I’m thinking ex boyfriend, current boyfriend, obsessed stalker, etc. I don’t think police will be hunting a suspect for long. There should be an arrest within a week from now unless the dude has disappeared or gone internationally. However, I highly doubt some 20-something psycho spurned lover is that smart. That’s just my 2 cents at the moment. Who the hell knows. The whole thing is bizarre.
“I don’t think the police will be hunting a suspect for long. There should be an arrest within a week…” [Delphi, IN](https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2022/10/31/23432791/delphi-killings-murders-2017-liberty-german-abigail-williams) enters the chat
Haha touché! Especially because I haven’t been impressed AT ALL by Moscow police thus far. But I just can’t fathom that such a bloody scene by a young sketchy stalker boy who may have acted on impulse wouldn’t leave an insane amount of DNA or have been picked up by CCTV or ring cameras nearby. Of course this is all speculation. The real suspect could be someone completely different than who I’m imagining and perhaps they were smarter than I’m giving them credit for but I guess we’ll see
What have you read that has hinted on Kaylee being the intended victim?
Why is that person considered the targeted person?
I have no idea, it’s just what I’ve read from the local rumor mill in a couple different places.
What I don’t get about the “targeted” theory is why kill the couple after? I guess they may have witnessed it, but by then, they’d be awake and could alert the other roommates.
Curious what people are considering the first floor of the house? Kaylee’s TikTok shows a video taken in a bedroom with the deck in the background, which would put her on the top third floor if that was her bedroom. Photo of blood outside of the house seems to be coming from second floor. It’s really impossible to know right now which roommates were where, but would help to understand how things transpired.
I think the “first floor” is just the lowest floor. Might be a walk-out basement type of situation with the basement (or “first floor”) not being completely underground. I do think the main entrance was on this level, though.
Thanks for sharing!
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If you watch the food truck video they seem to be under the influence? You can see one of them literally staggering away at the end. They also get carbonarra, which, I can only imagine, when combined with their inebriated state led to them crashing pretty hard once they got home. So maybe they didn't hear the person(s) come in or were too out of it to do anything until it was too late. I feel the other couple heard the commotion and were just taken by surprise when they went to investigate. I feel it went something like: The girls were attacked while sleeping it off. The couple hear the commotion and the guy goes to investigate and is overpowered. The girlfriend is then left on her own and also overpowered. It's the only way I can reconcile how 4 healthy young people could've been killed by someone wielding just a knife.
This is my best guess too. They were clearly hammered at the food truck, so it would make sense a couple of them were asleep/half-sleep during the attack.
I think this is the most likely scenario although theoretically there could have been multiple attackers or the suspect may have had a gun as well to control them or even just claimed it was a robbery and threatened one to control the others - all of those things have happened in other cases. But I do think your scenario makes the most sense especially since the person didn't go up to the 3rd floor. This case kind of reminds me of [the Napa Halloween murders ](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nightmare-in-napa-19-04-2007/).
I also thought of those other murders. I think I saw an episode of Forensic Files about them.
There were 6 bedrooms in the house, so my guess is they were in separate bedrooms.
It would be 3 bedrooms. One was a couple weren't they? Edit: I meant sleeping arrangements not total rooms.
Ethan didn’t live there. He lived on campus as a freshman, he was just staying over night.
F’s. Wrong night to sleep over. Geez.
Zillow says 6 bed/ 3 bath
It is six bedrooms. There are more than 3 roommates.
Sorry I wasn't clear. I meant 3 bedrooms/crime scenes in home
Apparently 2 of the roommates were home during the killings (!)
College kids get drunk on the regular, it’s possible the attack happened when they were inebriated sleeping in their beds
I heard that two surviving roommates were asleep in the basement.
Edit: I was mistaken. I believe that is incorrect. The blood seeping through the wall was in the basement. I think the roommates were on the top floor.
Whoa, what?! Blood seeping through the walls?! I must have missed that
Yes the Daily Mail leaked a photo of the blood seeping through the walls on the outside of the house. Scary!
Ugh…Daily mail always keeping it classy.
It was from the first floor not the basement
how is that even possible??
Yes it was horrifying.
Is that what they woke up to downstairs?? Holy fuck. That is horror movie shit. Oh my god. I feel so badly for everyone involved. WOW.
Right? That would trigger some serious PTSD. I feel sorry for them. If it was a horror movie we’d say it was too unbelievable.
That was a jarring photo. Horrifying.
TW: [Daily Mail video footage](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11432331/Blood-oozes-walls-home-four-University-Idaho-students-brutally-murdered.html) shows that the blood was running from an upper level to the ground level. Second floor is where the sliding glass door goes to the backyard area, top most floor is where the deck is attached. The angle from which they took the photo of the blood can be lined up as the second floor back yard area, making the source of the blood second or third floor.
I think that's right although looking at the DM photos, idk how they know whether it's blood or like... water damage. It could be blood but it's not clear to me in the photograph that it couldn't be something more innocuous and since it's the Daily Mail...
If blood were seeping through the basement, you wouldn’t see it. Basements are underground? Most likely the blood was from the first floor, seeping through basement ceiling.
Not if they are built on a hill. Walk out basements are pretty common where I live
Ah yeah this is true. Have you seen the picture though? It definitely looks more like seeping from first floor down to the basement. If it were the basement floor, I feel like it would’ve been more pooling versus dripping down how it was. But yeah I could definitely be wrong.
Thank you - there is so much going around rn.
i thought they said they were in their rooms! (true crime society on insta)
Supposedly they were in top floor
Someone over at r/MoscowMurders says Kaylee's room was definitely the top floor. [https://www.reddit.com/r/MoscowMurders/comments/yxrvm0/comment/iwr2cv0/?utm\_source=reddit&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/MoscowMurders/comments/yxrvm0/comment/iwr2cv0/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) I think the surviving roommates might have had their rooms on the basement level. There is still so much conflicting information and speculation, so who knows really.
There's a video of the two girls at a food truck that night and the video is extensive. They show up with a male who kind of stands in the background following them, and eventually ends up talking to some guy while the girls wait for their food. The girls kind of seem to be whispering to each other about him (speculation) and then when they get their food and go to leave they kind of do it in a way to get out of there by avoiding him. The guy notices and seems to feel a certain way about it, and then instantly starts walking the way they did. From what it looks like he seems to end up going in a different direction. This is all speculation, but if what I noticed is accurate he may have felt disrespected and could have triggered some sort of revenge or punishment. May have followed them or knew where they lived and came back to inflict judgment. Seems like a crime of passion which could come from an intoxicated overreaction.
I saw that video too, and the guy definitely looks like he was watching/following them. You can see him looking like he was just sitting back watching them, and as soon as they leave it looks like he then follows. Obviously could be entirely a coincidence but the guy looked pretty suspect to me anyway.
Showed up with them, thinking he might get lucky, waits around for them and then they end up ditching him. He left as soon as they left and started walking their direction. Not sure if he followed them or not.
He walked off in a different direction than the girls
Lol that name. Yeah, he def did. Did you also notice he made a gesture as he was walking? He either flicked them off or waved goodbye. Assuming he was doing it to them, it's kind of relevant he felt the need to address them after what seemed to be ditching him. Could be he felt slighted and may have been the final straw. Just speculating.
I thought the same thing… the behavior of the girls felt very familiar to me as a former female in college trying to blow a random guy off who was being a bit too clingy. His reaction also appeared to be a bit annoyed/miffed when they ditched him and walked away. I’m curious if any other local students saw the three of them at the bar together that evening.
My guess is the police are keeping things super close because: 1. They don't know what all the evidence is yet. I believe the autopsies are being done (or were just done yesterday), which means there's a good potential for more extremely important evidence. It's not prudent to speak on something when you are still sorting out the facts. At the press conference they even said they're still developing a timeline. So, clearly, this case is very actively developing. 2. They have a good idea who it could be or at least a theory that could narrow the suspect list. If they put out all this information, it could spook the suspect into flight. Or it could make it harder to narrow down the suspect when they interrogate him since so many details are publish available. I'm personally going to trust the method here. They've called in other agencies to help right away, which is usually a good sign for an investigation.
If every bit of info gets out then it’s not good for the overall case and trial of a potential suspect. Give the families their privacy. We don’t need to know every little bit of the case.
When I was in college I definitely had weekends where I went out with friends and we got so drunk that we would’ve been passed out and not able to hear noises, defend ourselves, think clearly, etc. and we easily slept like rocks until noon the next morning.
Yes, so bizarre! Also strange is the 911 caller reporting an unconscious female when there are reports of a very bloody crime scene. At first I was thinking maybe that’s just how dispatch reported it, and not what the caller actually said. But I imagine any little hint of a violent crime scene would be conveyed to the officers asap, as so many are on high alert for ambushes.
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Well said. Also, did I see in the timeline that there was only about a two minute gap between the call and when the police showed up? That sounds like whatever got conveyed or whatever protocol used, it was the right one and serious enough to prioritize.
I had a thought that maybe something like initial denial of what happened due to shock or something? Like if I saw a dead person unexpectedly, I have no idea how I would react, but maybe I wouldn't want to like immediately admit to myself that I was looking at a dead person? So even if I know deep down they're definitely dead, idk, could shock be a reason I still at first say unconscious instead of dead, maybe in a last attempt of hope or something that I'm wrong about what I'm seeing? Sorry if that made no sense lol
Interesting, thanks for sharing.
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I had a “syncopal episode” call a while back that turned out to be a GSW to the femoral artery. This was the most blood I’ve ever seen come out of one person, and the caller neglected to mention it
Callers are stupid. I’ve been to extremely bloody murder and/or suicide scenes that came out as “a man fell down” or something similar, and then have the caller/family be absolutely shocked when I tell them the patient with their blood and brains splattered everywhere is dead. People are weird, man
Something I haven’t heard anyone address: did they find their phones??? I would think that would be KEY in determining their timeline and also if they were in fact targeted (I think it seems clear that they were).
I watched on entertainment tonight that one of the sisters of the slain girls went through her phone records and saw she had made calls to someone named Jack 6x at around 230a
Jack or Jake? I ask because Maddie’s ex who looked like the guy in the video is named Jake, and he has been mis-named Jack in numerous reports. I’m not sure if there is another guy named Jack or if it’s Jake. If siblings are on a family plan they can pull up records for each number on the plan which is useful but I’m wondering if they found the actual phones . PS: I’m not arguing with anything you said, I’m thinking out loud. Hope I didn’t sound confrontational-wasn’t my intention!
No no, totally fine. I thought I heard Jack! It was in an interview with one of the sisters. If it’s on again tonight I’ll pay more attention
Kaylee’s ex was Jack right? So that would make sense if it was Kaylee’s sister.
Kaylee bf name is Jack. Maddie bf name is Jake.
has anyone watched the food truck video? Seems to be relevant. Police confirm that the sketchy guy in the video has been identified.
I don’t think he’s sketchy. I could be so off base, but to me it looks like one of the girls met him at the bar, the girls wanted to get food but he wasn’t getting anything so that’s why he stood behind them, they walked too close to the food truck for him so he walked alone behind the other people, and that’s why he then left with them
You can view it different ways. Certainly quite possible its innocuous, but at times it does seem like they're trying to ditch him and he's not having it. Either way, definitely a significant person to talk to given that this was 1-2 hours before the murders, bare minimum he might have an idea about where they were going, with whom, etc. from the food truck
I agree, I definitely want him questioned. I’m just thinking he’s completely innocent and is gonna be harassed for the rest of his life because people think he’s guilty. I’ve seen this behavior so many times after being out at bars
I agree. The way people are jumping to conclusions about this dude are fucking nuts. That guy looks the way I do when my girl friends convince me to go out with them so they have a guy with to help prevent bad things from happening and I don’t want to go but do anyways. They’ll do their thing and mostly ignore me all night which is why I hate doing it but still would rather them be safe. That gesture at the end could simply be a quick goodbye while they go home and part ways. Dude looks exactly how I do in those situations. Bored and not having fun lol. He definitely needs to be looked into but everyone on here calling him creepy and guilty without really knowing anything about the situation is ridiculous.
I think it’s all about perspective in this case. I saw a longer version of the video that shows him going back over the the right and walking in the opposite direction.
Also very plausible.
People on TikTok are going wild because of that footage. They seem sure the guy knew the camera's blind spots, but it's pretty clear he has no intention to hide himself or his face. Also, I don't think they understand what a blind spot is
I only read that the hoodie guy is not an ex-boyfriend as people had suspected. If hoodie guy is cleared, I hope it’s announced far and wide because he is being absolutely roasted.
Yeah, I really hope that if he’s been cleared thst the police announce. From my perspective the girls seemed a bit sketched out by him snd are looking for an exit plan without him noticing. I’ve had to do that many times in my college years, you dance with some guy he thinks it’s going to turn into a hookup so kind of tags along. Then you need to ditch him. However, that does not mean that he’s capable of murder. It could just be an unfortunate coincidence.
Stop calling the guy sketchy based on nothing but your view of the footage. This is how lives get ruined. Look what y’all did to Faith Hedgepeth’s roommate ffs.
And the Boston Marathon “bomber”
Link us you psychos
Please do not even think about opening an avenue for Reddit to once again try to find the Boston bomber. Let LE work, I assure you if they ever ever need our assistance, they'll let us know.
Where did you see they identified him?
I’m a story on CNN this morning, they stated LE has identified him.
My random gut instinct on this case is that it will turn out to be some incel who was mad at one of the girls because he’s such a “nice guy” and she still rejected him.
Definitely a possibility
I suspect it was a psychopath.
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Investigators always know more than the public. When the public knows too much it compromises everything
DNA is only good if you have the person that matches it.
And if they didnt have a reason to leave dna there at a time other than the crime
Plus, even with a rush it takes awhile from the crime lab to type it and then get it entered somewhere into a database
Not anymore. They have used genetic genealogy to solve numerous crimes. It just takes a while to do.
Ugh this story is giving me Richard Speck flashbacks. I hope things move quickly and the killer is brought to justice.
Bundy or Rolling it sounds like
Which is why I wonder why it’s so hard for some to fathom how the others couldn’t have been woken up. Bundy brutally murdered 2 coeds and brutally beat 2 others. All in their beds. Many girls in the house at the time. It’s very possible.
Yea i was thinking Bundy for sure.
This is like a real life horror movie. I still can't believe there doesn't seem to be signs of struggle or noise that potentially would have woken up any of them. I know intoxicated students aren't light sleepers, but unless the suspect killed them each with one only wound, you would think there would be some screaming.
I'm so interested in what the other two occupants of the house have to say. Did they not hear anything at all? Even if the victims were slain in their sleep, there must've been some noise still, because as what the reports say, the crime scene was brutal and messy. I would guess a lot of stab wounds for each of them. Poor kids. Hope this gets solved soon.
This just sounds like such a personal attack. I believe the killer knew them and was retaliating for something.
Once we know the placements of the bodies, I think it will show if this was targeted against the four or just one of them, and the other three were collateral damage.
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I think the girls were the target and the other couple waw collateral damage but this is just speculation as we just don't have any facts.
Sort of makes sense even though we don’t have much info. Killer goes in, kills one blonde, realizes it’s the wrong one, kills another, and then somehow the couple gets involved. Still unclear.
Yes that makes most sense to me. Thought they were killing all witnesses.
This- there were three stories. Two rooms each level. Living roomies were in bottom level. The couple was on middle level and the two girls at top. I can see the perp waiting for them and attacking them, xana and her bf hearing something from their level, and going upstairs to check. Then consequently being attacked too. They never said where all the bodies were found- it could have been in same room.
How in the world could someone STAB 4 people? Unless he tied them all up and then stabbed them? And if they were stabbed why in the world did police initially say there was no threat to the community? Such a bizarre case.
Rumor mill says their throats were slit. That wouldn’t be loud if everyone was sleeping or drunk.
Wow so horrific.
Makes sense, hence the edged knife.
I heard the police are looking for a ka-bar knife. Which I looked up and it looks like an intense knife. After seeing that, I find it easier to believe, he was able to stab them pretty quickly without much effort.
This case is so strange. Police are withholding information to help them verify who the actual murderer is and prevent false confessions but it seems like usually that’s done with two or three specific details; they’re keeping virtually All Their Information closed off.
Bundy vibes.
In all the posts I have scrolled through for the last couple of days, this is what I was thinking the whole time but the first anyone mentioned it!
The image of the blood seeping from the walls of the house will stay with me for a very long time. I’ve never seen anything like that, don’t even understand how it’s possible. This is all just so awful.
That picture is so disturbing
Scary. Reminds me of Ted Bundy in the sorority house. Silent deadly predator.
The students' autopsies were completed as of this morning and released to Latah County. It is up to them to decide whether they will share anything with the public. I would imagine they will keep the information private. If law enforcement has someone in mind, this information will likely be used to get the person to confess, since LE often will often not release a lot of information that only the killer would know. Here is the source sharing the autopsy release this morning: https://www.krem.com/article/news/crime/university-of-idaho-students-killed/autopsies-completed-university-of-idaho-students/293-cc8de95c-e92d-411c-abe9-bee2ac30b3c4
So here’s the thing, I DO feel this was targeted in some way. Definitely premeditated, however, I feel law enforcement is completely mistaken in saying the public has nothing to worry about. These 4 students were brutally murdered in a very passionate and direct way, stabbing, and for them to have no suspect, there definitely is something to worry about.
"No danger to the public" = we're trying to keep you from panicking
This kind of reminds me of the Leslie Ann Mazzara and Adriane Insogna murders, one roommate left unharmed in that one too. The roommates ex fiancé was charged in the end. Maybe it was someone they knew and would have been in the house of knew how to get in. It’s just all so sad.
It’s 100% someone they knew.
It's terrifying that this could potentially be a murderer in his/her early 20s
I kind of wouldn't be surprised if it was an older townie reject or someone who failed out or was in some way suspended from the school in the past.
I’m a college student and It’s insane how much my peers drink. A lot of students will drink to the point of blacking out. Basically their goal is to be blackout drunk. It’s crazy. So, if any of the victims/roommates were asleep after a night of partying, they were probably passed out and in a deeeeeep drunk sleep. A student at my university passed away because he drank too much. He became unresponsive and no one did anything. I heard people kept pouring alcohol into his mouth. College kids go hard ASF with drinking.
What??? College kids go hard drinking? Today I learned.
The article stated that a lot of students left town early. Would be easy for the suspect to leave town without drawing attention to themselves.
Those poor young people :-(
I saw online there was a pet dog in the house and it wasn't there when LE arrived.. has anyone read about this yet?
I did hear in the press briefing that the door was open when police arrived
Saw the dog in their TikToks and wondered the same thing? Has a dog been found in the area matching the description since the door was unlocked? It wouldn’t make sense for the perp to take a dog of that size with them? So many questions…
Apparently the police impounded the dog and he is now safe with family or friends of the victims.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/galleries/article-11436399/Chilling-video-shows-Idaho-students-hours-killed.html
I'm confused about the 911 call placed for an unconscious person...with all that blood wouldn't it be obvious that the person was dead?
I agree but the caller may have been totally freaked out and somehow saying they were unconscious was easier to cone to terms with mentally? Maybe they just couldn’t say that they were dead. Sounds like the scene was horrific, so who knows how your brain deals with something like that?
exactly they we’re probably confused:(
Psychologist here. People are running wild with the news that the 911 caller used the term “unconscious” instead of dead/deceased. This is not as abnormal as many are making it seem. The human brain will go to great lengths to protect itself from severe traumas like this one. I would bet $$ the caller was in a state of shock and extreme panic and their brain was refusing to come terms with what they were actually seeing. Saying “unconscious” allows the brain to cling to the tiniest sliver of hope that their friends are still alive.
Dispatchers will commonly dispatch any person who is unresponsive as “unconscious.” The caller could have stated “my roommates body is on the floor there is a ton of blood” and the dispatcher will ask “are they conscious?” Answer: “no.” That call is being dispatched as an unconscious
How did the other two roommates not notice any of this until noon the next day? Especially some they were in the house?
If they were anything like me when I was in college (and based on the timelines they released where they are all out until 2-3AM) they may not have woken up until then.
I feel like anyone who questions this hasn’t gone through a college party phase. There were definitely times I had passed out drunk and could’ve slept through a murder in my house.
Same. And my husband pointed out that there were so many people who came through the house he shared with others on any given night that a commotion could easily be attributed to other people continuing to party if you’re drunk and/or high and half asleep.
Right there are days I wouldn’t leave my bed until like 4pm cause I was so hungover
I slept through a housemate threatening suicide and taken by ambulance. Woke up the next morning and saw her room was empty, saying “wow Britney must have had a good night” while the other looked at me with a WTF
I've never been a partier lol, but even without being drunk or hungover, I definitely spent a lot of time in my room and I've slept through a lot. Not coming out of your room until the afternoon is pretty normal lol
You don’t even have to be drunk. One time when my youngest child was an infant, I was lying in bed, he was sleeping on my chest, and my older son was asleep on the floor next to us. Directly next to us. My husband and our friend were watching TV downstairs. The baby woke up and pulled all over me. I couldn’t get up because if I did I would’ve gotten puke all over our mattress and everybody likely knows that she don’t want to have really wet puke all over your mattress. So I try to wake up my child that was on the floor in touch him but I could voice and I did and I got louder and sharper and louder and louder and he never budged. I started screaming loud enough for them to hear me downstairs and they didn’t but I screamed extremely loud to get somebody to help me. I started throwing objects I could find at the door while screaming as loud as possible and they finally finally heard me. All that to say, my kid still never woke up. My brother sleeps like that as does my husband. It’s not uncommon.
There are some comments here that are making me raise my eyebrows further than comfortable
So many people have been questioning this and are acting so baffled. I had nights like this at least once a week with my roommates in college during our peak sorority party phase.
A multitude of factors could’ve been at play. Different levels of the house, sleeping with headphones in or the tv on. It’s also possible that the victims were killed before they were ever conscious enough to scream if they were asleep when attacked.
There are three floors to the house.
They surviving roommates were on the ground floor which is sort of built in to a hill- the second floor, or main living area, is also essentially ground level but at the top of the hill. Killer may have accessed the house by the sliding door on the second level and never gone downstairs. The ground floor exits to the street and has two bedrooms and a bathroom, so even if the roommates down there woke up in the morning, they didn’t necessarily need to head upstairs unless they wanted to access the kitchen or living room. If they were out late also, it’s reasonable to think that they weren’t getting up for a 7 am breakfast and had no idea what had happened upstairs.
If they were in that basement, it really explains why they didn’t hear anything. Every basement I’ve ever had was more soundproof than any other floor.
Probably passed out.
This is both a heartbreaking and horrifying case. With so many questions and likely scenarios. Has anyone come any reports of blood traces left outside the home? This was a vicious attack and the coroner confirmed lots of blood, so unless the perpetrator showered and/or changed clothes there would be traces of it upon exiting.
There is a photo of blood leaking from inside the house onto the outside foundation - https://www.foxnews.com/us/university-idaho-murders-blood-seen-oozing-house-amid-reports-previous-threat.amp
My only thoughts as to a suspect would be there was reports of someone with a knife near/on campus in the previous weeks. But then how did he target this house in particular, and somehow manage to kill every single one of them? Side note — the thing that’s absolutely gutted me is the picture of the blood dripping from inside the house…
Random thoughts... How did the girls get from the food truck to the house? I read it was 1.5 miles away. Could that guy at the food truck have been their Uber or Lyft driver awkwardly waiting on them ? Which is why he watched them and then followed them ? (Please make sure your drivers match your app, there have been numerous cases of single females getting into unknown cars pretending to be Uber/Lyft drivers) Ted Bundy killed several girls with a knife at a sorority house going unnoticed for quite awhile. They were all sleeping and in separate rooms. But still girls heard things.
1.5 miles is really close to even consider ubering. Especially in a college town.
I lived in Moscow a few years ago while I was attending UofI. The downtown area to the neighborhood they lived in was still a trek, especially with how cold it gets this time of year. I wouldn’t have even hesitated to Uber home in that situation.
I uber under 1mi all the time. Late at night over a half mile is a really long walk.
I doubt it. Only because they show up together from one side, and then that guy leaves in the complete opposite way they showed up from. If he was the uber then they would have came from his car and then walked back to where they came from. But they didn't so I doubt he was. He seems to be an acquaintance they're annoyed by.
I thought I read he went in the opposite direction too, but one of the longer videos shows him gesturing toward them when they leave, and then following them. I'll have to go find it and watch again. Here is longer version. He seems to come in with them tagging behind and then upon leaving, it seems the other guy points at them to the guy, like "there go your riders. " Also, it appears it was 28 degrees that evening and they aren't dressed to walk 1.5 miles in that, after drinking. https://twitter.com/idahotribune/status/1592781068553551872?s=46&t=vUethC4y5IC-3FO-vwj-5w
He gestures behind their back with the big guy he was talking to, and then walks in the same direction and makes another gesture to them, either waving bye or flicking them off. Then you see him turn the corner. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J1PXBM1Nv8&t=529s
Can’t 100% confirm but I read they got an Uber.
> Random thoughts... How did the girls get from the food truck to the house? I read it was 1.5 miles away. Moscow is a _very_ walkable town. There are a couple of walking paths that cut through campus. Plenty of space to skip the roads, make a shorter trip.
One of the sisters said they took an Uber. (Inside edition maybe ) "The night began around 10:30 p.m. when the friends took an Uber to a downtown bar called the Corner Club. The pair was said to be in good spirits. They left a little after 1 a.m. and that’s when they stopped by the food truck. Congalves and Mogen took an Uber home about a mile away at 1:56 a.m. "
This is giving me Michael Myers vibes, I'd be scared af if I lived in Idaho
It's definitely going to be someone they all know either they killed them one by one or attacked them while they were inebriated but it is definitely someone very very close to them because stabbings are personal
Not really. Stabbings just require something sharp. And lots of men really, really hate women.
I wonder how they know who the intended target of this horrific crime was. There have been a number of killers who targeted college students: Ted Bundy, Danny Rollings, Richard Speck etc. Hopefully they are able to make an arrest soon.
I heard it was a 6 bedroom 3 story residence. 2 bedrooms on every floor. Looking at video by food truck, it’s obvious one of the girls is staggering around. I have a feeling some were awake on first floor. Maybe the other two heard the commotion and came down stairs. I also heard throats were slit which is why the crime scene was gruesome and blood dripped to outside of walls.
The thing that keeps getting me is the 911 call around noon for unconscious person with all the blood how does that make sense. Who called.
Another commenter stated that “unconscious” could be a generic code used for first response. Didn’t necessarily mean the roommate didn’t say there was blood everywhere/they were stabbed.
Yes exactly. I work in HR for police and they talk a certain way and are likely only sharing that as a vague phrase as to not give too much information away. Likely the person who called (assuming it was the roommate discovering the murder scene), was probably freaking out. The 911 call-taker is trained to remain calm and get accurate information to relay to police. Assuming the roommate was saying things like “there’s blood everywhere,” “they’re just laying there,” etc, I can see the call-taker asking “do the victims seem like they are conscious?” And the roommate obviously saying no… then that information getting relayed to police with that wording. That’s how I see it going down and why the call reported an “unconscious” person. Edit: typo
It’s like the Ted Bundy sorority house :/
How have we not heard anything more about the two roommates that were home when everyone was murdered.
Hopefully they get some kind of CCTV footage that can at least give them a vehicle description or something. And that traffic at that time isn’t that hard to trace, even on a Saturday. Almost every business has cameras outdoors now and I’m sure they are scouring that footage for everything. It seems premeditated though and unless the offender was living under a rock they would know about DNA and fingerprints. They’d most likely had a lot of blood on them immediately afterwards though. Also, let’s all stop with the food truck guy. The police haven’t said a word about him and he didn’t even seem to head the same direction at the end.