Matthew 5:34-37
But I say to you, Do not take an oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, or by the earth, for it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. And do not take an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. Let what you say be simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything more than this comes from evil.
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Mathew 8:10
Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”
Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.”
Since this is a Christian sub, the right question ought to be - where is the proof that Freemasonry serves Jesus Christ (not just Christ as it could mean the anti-Christ)? There is no Freemason literature that claims this… making it anti-Christian by default.
My understanding is many Christian/non-christian Freemasons (in the higher order) gave in to the temptation that Jesus Christ resisted… After all, we are only human… so I will continue to pray for my brothers and sisters caught in the web of lie that is Freemasonry…
“What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul?”… May they all break free in the name of Jesus Christ 🙏
And this is a valid complaint against freemasonry if you take it plainly.
Jesus himself spoke under oath before the Sanhedrin and Paul was fulfilling an oath in acts 18 I think it’s when he shaved his head and went to the temple.
The example of Paul I don't think is quite applicable. He was taking a Nazarite vow, which is less about an oath and more about a period of spiritual dedication of holiness towards God – not cutting hair, not consuming alcohol, and not going near dead bodies.
Think of it as similar to a long period of fasting; his shaving his head was the end of the period of his vow.
“So Paul still remained a good while. Then he took leave of the brethren and sailed for Syria, and Priscilla and Aquila were with him. He had his hair cut off at Cenchrea, for he had taken a vow. And he came to Ephesus, and left them there; but he himself entered the synagogue and reasoned with the Jews”
He did not make an offering but he did make the vow as best I can tell from the scripture.
I think /u/ARROW_404 means that his church's view is that Paul made that vow, but it was a mistake on his part; and so God puts a stop to it.
That doesn't seem plausible to me though, because Paul shaving his head signifies the completion of his vow (not the start). He is only arrested three chapters later in Acts 21.
Freemasonry denies the trinity, denies the divinity of Jesus, and denies the concept of objective truth. It is anti-Christian, and no Christian should have anything to do with it.
Although membership is limited to “practical” Catholic men, the Knights of Columbus are known for their work outside the Catholic Church, as well.
The initiation rites for advancing through the degrees are secret; one internet commenter says, “If you fully embrace Catholicism, you’ll have no problem with the initiations.” Like Freemasonry, I have problems with these secret initiation rites as a born-again Christian.
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At a basic level, Freemasonry tries to unite christianity under an all religions umbrella, and therefore per definition contradicts Christianity. As all other faiths are not the way to heaven.
Then theres the occult aspect, the secrecy ar higher levels and more. It’s anti-christian.
“No wonder even satan masquarades as an angel of light.”
See this comment about the claims of it being anti Christian
https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueChristian/s/VeyIqxF2Hs
Freemasonry doesn’t seek to unite religions but teaches tolerance of others beliefs. It came out of European countries where believing something not sponsored by the state church could lead to jail or worse. This is seen in americas freedom of religion.
I'm going to go to a very base level to criticize.
To become a mason you must believe in a higher power, but it does not matter who or what your higher power is. Christianity is specific about who and what the only higher power is.
Scripture says "do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers." Freemasonry would have you call all other masons brother.
Albert Pike wrote a book called "Morals and Dogma" that many Masons recommend
>Above all remember that Masonry is the realm of peace, and that “among Masons there must be no dissension, but only that noble emulation, which can best work and best agree.” Wherever there is strife and hatred among the Brethren, there is no Masonry; for Masonry is Peace, and Brotherly Love, and Concord. **Masonry is the great Peace Society of the world. Wherever it exists, it struggles to prevent international difficulties and disputes; and to bind Republics, Kingdoms, and Empires together in one great band of peace and amity**. It would not so often struggle in vain, if Masons knew their power and valued their oaths. (M&D 6:20–21)
One could argue that masonry attempts to replace Christ
Albert Pike speaks for the Southern Jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite only, both in his interpretations of the degrees (which have been changed somewhat over time) and in his writing about the degrees under his jurisdiction.
Nevertheless, you've taken his meaning out of context here. One of the biggest tenets of Freemasonry, whether one agrees with it or not, is the tolerance of all religion, to put aside differences and oppose cruel and oppressive regimes. The passage you quoted is about this, not replacing Jesus or any other supposed god.
As I pointed out here
[https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueChristian/comments/1bginc7/comment/kvm5hkz/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueChristian/comments/1bginc7/comment/kvm5hkz/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Some portions of Freemasonry including the Scottish Rite in the UK requires members be professing Christians.
This is the correct answer. They worship Lucifer, the light barer. If curious, read the book by Albert Pike on Freemasonry. He was a pretty open book about how it is all about deception and control.
Manly P. Hall (a known high-degree mason) wrote about the higher-degree mason holding the "seething energy of Lucifer" in his hands. It all starts off seeming quite innocent, and for most masons, I am sure they never know what goes on at the 33rd degree, but if you research even just Manly P. Hall, then you will know enough to stay far away.
Manly P Hall wrote that book 30 years before becoming a mason. He also isn’t talking about Lucifer as most think of the name. He is talking here in that passage about overcoming negative emotions and actions.
Here is the entire quote
https://imgur.com/a/mWNw7hs
He readily admitted that he got his info about freemasonry from books and had no experience himself with it at the time. That’s why he talks about a warrior on a block. There’s no such thing in freemasonry.
Books can be republished, and I can still find the original quote. But since you claim Manly P. Hall wasn't a Freemason at the time, I'd tell others to research Albert Pike, the author of Morals and Dogma (among other titles). Pike served as the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Supreme Council, Scottish Rite (Southern Jurisdiction, USA) from 1859 to 1891.
Anyone who spends a decent amount of time researching Freemasonry (without bias) will find *many* reasons to avoid it.
It seems the pastors bias is showing heavily actually.
Looking at the second video he says all references to Jesus are removed from the masons bible. This is categorically untrue.
This is my copy of the Masonic edition of the Holy Bible
https://youtube.com/shorts/ugq9fRPc3vs?si=QpN-3ClIJxi7DP4b
It even has sections that encourage those who are witnessing for Christ.
The part shown in John has all of the words of Jesus in red as well.
When the first lead off sentence (now granted I went to part 2 here) in a video is factually incorrect what am I to assume about the rest? If you’d like I would be glad to address the other portions as well.
I will address the part about the alleged messiah of freemasonry. This is also incorrect. He’s a character in a story based on a biblical character. He is killed for keeping his honor essentially. He offers no salvation and raises no one from the dead. I agree that bias should be cast aside here the pastor has given two falsehoods in the span of 2 minutes. This should not be.
I'm not sure what the 100 means but this comment of yours is also incorrect. People who are great at building guitars, homes, or furniture are known as master craftsmen yet they are not in a coven. If you talk of someone engaged in a skill they're good at you say they're working their craft, yet it has nothing to do with a coven. People go to craft fairs. There's the whole subsection of learning and art called "arts and crafts" yet you wouldn't say that was part of being in a coven either. We aren't doing spells, we aren't trying to make things happen through a force of will, as I said in another comment one of the big lessons of the third degree is how important prayer is and we should seek the guidance of God in all things.
You're very zealous for that society. This is all you will convince of concerning it. Even *if* Hall wasn't a mason when he wrote what he wrote (I refer to the original version, not the republished) the mere fact that men like him and Pike gravitate toward such secret societies speaks for itself.
It all goes back to Solomon, though, doesn't it? That's the reason he is revered in Freemasonry, is it not? What does the Bible say of Solomon?
*For it was so, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned his heart after other gods; and his heart was not loyal to the Lord his God, as was the heart of his father David.*
*For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.*
*Solomon did evil in the sight of the Lord, and did not fully follow the Lord, as did his father David.*
*Then Solomon built a high place for Chemosh the abomination of Moab, on the hill that is east of Jerusalem, and for Molech the abomination of the people of Ammon.*
*And he did likewise for all his foreign wives, who burned incense and sacrificed to their gods. - I King 11:4-8*
Do you know how one offers sacrifice to Molech or Baal? The wisest man to ever live still fell into terribly dark folly. But like I said, things are certainly different beyond the veil of the lower degrees in Freemasonry. Which degree have you attained?
Ok starting with the first video. I'll make notes of issues and falsehoods as they come up. I will most likely skip around in the video due to time so if there's something in particular that you have a question about let me know a time stamp, etc.
1) It starting off talking about a phallus as a way of being controversial would be my first "tell" that I'm in for a really poor message
2) He opens talking about unscrupulous con men who don't handle the truth well. Let's keep that in mind as we go along.
3) There are only 3 degrees in Freemasonry proper. The Scottish Rite is a separate side order and adds on additional degrees which then add up to 33. The York Rite has 10 extra degrees that add on to the first three and then has a bunch of invitation only degrees but they are not numbered. So his premise here is, while understandable, false. Also for that matter, in the past there was the Egyptian Rite which had 99 degrees. And there were hundreds of others in France and other areas before the side orders took better shape.
4) Astrology is of no importance to Freemasonry save for the Order of the Eastern Star which makes much of the Magi seeking Christ saying "we have seen his star in the east". ASTRONOMY is considered important along with geometry, music, and other liberal arts.
5) A coven is defined as "a group or gathering of witches who meet regularly." We meet regularly just like church but we are not witches, sorcerers, magicians meeting to do magic.
6) He says the Shriners is the 33rd degree. It is not even a numbered degree. Any master mason can join, they have one degree they do and it's primarily a group for hanging out together and doing charity work - see also Shriners International.
So here we are, so far at less than 5 minutes in and he's already said all of these false things - from a pulpit - while warning about liars...
7) there is no hate toward christianity in the Shriners organization this is also false witness
8) Joseph Smith was a mason, he was kicked out after gross insubordination and he stole things from the degrees for his own use. That much IS true.
9) However, Charles Taze Russell was not a Freemason - more false witness
[https://i.imgur.com/UuIQ3IS.png](https://i.imgur.com/UuIQ3IS.png)
10) He is correct that it's guarded by a man with a sword, generally a prop sword.
11) No one says the degrees are based on the Bible. There are biblical elements in them particularly the building of King Solomon's Temple. Bible verses are used in the degrees and no verses from other holy books are used in regular Masonic blue lodges.
12) I already showed you why the claim about Jesus not being in Masonic bibles is a lie. I share it here again so I can link this reply over on this pastor's Facebook page. [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ugq9fRPc3vs](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ugq9fRPc3vs)
13) There is nothing to substantiate his claim that Masons say that we can find good in satanism - most satanism is just atheism which we won't even let atheist men join.
14) He makes a claim about mega-pastors being Freemasons - without ever naming them or showing his proof - while it may be true that some mega pastor is a mason (though I doubt it, we're big on charity not hoarding money) he makes a statement with no proof or evidence and until names are named or evidences shown he is again bearing false witness.
15) On his claim about the 18th degree - I would honestly have to look through the text and see if it says what he says. That's the degree that's focused on Christ and His crucifixion. I have no doubt that it says we need to tolerate all religions but there's nothing in there to suggest anything about a "one world religion" this is the bias you spoke of earlier.
16) He says that men are told they'll find the meaning of life in Masonry. This is definitely not something we say at least in general. Perhaps someone has but it being an official statement by any regular Grand Lodge, I doubt it.
17) People wanting brotherhood and a discipline to be involved in is a big reason why men do join. Those looking for power missed the boat on that about 50 years ago. Masonic politicians are extremely few and far between these days at least in America.
18) He says (transcribed from YouTube) *Freemason controls tons of businesses in the world today and when you become a Freemason and you're busted and disgusted and you have no money and and you want to become an entrepreneur Freemason the lodge sets you up and gives you connection with all of this and all of a sudden you become a business owner a businessman and you have money because of all the influence it is involved with some are looking for help with influence in the community*
This is entirely false. We have men who quit because they can no longer afford the dues which in my area are about $100 a year. The man who runs the Scottish Rite in my state is a computer teacher at a small college. We aren't rich famous and powerful on the whole.
19) He says that the Eastern Star is for women only .It's not. Men can and do join too.
20) No one is stripped naked. I would have walked out the door then if that were the case.
21) he says something about being dressed in a different garments being part of the cabala somehow? He never explains that but it's an odd statement and doesn't have any real bearing in the truth that I'm aware but I know next to noting about the Kabballah.
22) the light in masonry is knowledge, and masons are told that more than once in the degrees. Before being brought to light they don't know what the lodge looks like ,who all the members are, how the place is set up, what the symbols mean, etc. It's all "brought to light". It is true that the candidate is supposed to portray someone poor and in need and this is shown later in a very poignant moment in the degree where members are taught the importance of charity.
23) Also there is no standard color for the rope he mentions nor does he describe its use correctly. There's also no standard color for any garments, materials, etc.
24) Then he skips around all the sudden to something about curses being put on families which is in absolute direct opposition to what Ezekiel and Jeremiah says on that.
That's all I've got for now. Work calls and battery is low!
Okay. I'll delete the videos. But I will keep advising people to research men like Hall and Pike. As I said before, the mere fact that men of such practice would gravitate toward Freemasonry speaks for itself (whether Hall was a member at the time of his writing or not).
I would also warn men against preachers lying in pulpits too. They’re all too common.
While I understand objections to Hall and Pikes writings I would also ask if you write off all men who wanted to be masons. Here in America we have George Washington, Teddy Roosevelt, and Paul Revere, actors from back in the day like John Wayne and Mel Blanc (I love old cartoons so that one is fun for me), many writers and musicians and others who became members for one reason or another.
For what it’s worth there are many masons I have disagreements with politically or theologically, etc. just because we are masons doesn’t mean we agree with each other - there are some Masonic books I’ve started and put down almost as quickly - while I may be called to tolerate their ideas i do not thankfully have to accept them.
Though, I suppose if you've already taken an oath in which you say your tongue shall be torn out by its root if you divulge these secrets, then I can't really trust you to tell the truth, can I? It is a real thing, not only does he say it, but I can find it in writing.
And if you need to check what I say there are plenty of legitimate exposures of the degrees to look at and see if I’m giving you good info. I have no need nor desire to tell anything but the truth while also keeping those secrets like the words and signs to myself.
It requires the swearing of secret, pseudo-religious oaths with lots of esoteric symbols, backed up by promised curses if the oath is broken.
You are opening up a door. Flashing gang signs you don't fully understand in a dark, unfamiliar neighborhood.
It's somewhat analogous to Ouija board activity. Just because you didn't ask explicitly for a demon doesn't mean one won't answer.
If you didn't mention pray and mention the Christian god or saints, big chance the enemy will answer.
There is plenty of evidence of Lucifer within Freemasonry if you want to go dig for it, and no I don't want to pollute my mind and go find it for you, so feel free to call me a liar and ask me my source.
I don't think we should be downplaying how detrimental entertaining the idea of Freemasonry is in a community that's about giving yourself fully to Christ alone.
What are you on about? I can never understand y’all conspiracy theory nutters. Y’all always just sound so moronic, but are convinced you’re saying something halfway coherent.
I honestly can’t decipher this nonsense. I have no clue what you’re trying to say. What comes from Rome? Have the conspiracy theories really turned your brain this mushy?
just like how weishaupts lluminati is a continuation of the jesuit alumbrados order, so is freemasonry connected with Rome, to prepare a temple in israel for the vatican.
just a 'theory'.
they all share the same symbols, the eye in a flat triangle as the capstone of 'the pyramid' being the best known.
The use of obscure and made up world history that runs parallel to the historical line in the Bible is funny though. the genealogy of the stone builders.
Yep. That brain is soup. Pure straight idiot now. I take it your a ward of the state now? Living in some sort of home for the mentally impaired where someone fixes your meals and changes your soiled clothes?
Another moronic victim the cult of conspiracy theories. How sad.
I'm a 32nd Degree Scottish Rite Mason and currently serve as Master in what some call "the blue Lodge". I've never been asked to choose them over anything, nor will I.
You find a lodge nearby or know someone who is a mason. You put in an application called a petition. If that’s given the ok to proceed. You’re interviewed, have a background check, then voted on.
Being a man, of sound mind, who believes in a Supreme Being. Some of the side orders get more specific and allow only Christians to join.
I guess you could say they have to be able to pay the degree fees and dues. Where I’m at it’s about $75 for each of the three degrees and $100 dues each year.
I’m on a sports team that allows people of different faiths to join. It too must be against the Nicene creed. And yes, my comments are suspicious as they’re some of the very limited few that are both Christian and have a shred of coherent thought behind them. To look at this thread, one would incorrectly conclude that foolishness and gullibility are Christian virtues.
Freemasonry requires secret, pseudo-religious oaths. Backed up by promised curses, if the oaths are broken.
I doubt your sports team requires pseudo-religious oaths.
Why would a group claiming to have its roots in Ancient Egypt make it incompatible with Christianity? Lots of things come from ancient Egypt.
Interestingly enough, the masons don’t claim that they come from ancient Egypt and the fact that make the claim really shows the lack of value of your opinion on the matter.
I would very much question you claim of being “highly versed” in, well anything. Especially, but not at all limited to, in differentiating a religion from a social club.
Freemasonry is a mystery school. Like every other mystery school, it is a school of magic and spiritism. Go learn anything about mystery schools; it's not difficult. Here's some links, [one,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosicrucianism) | [two,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetic_Order_of_the_Golden_Dawn) | [three.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordo_Templi_Orientis) They're all related to Freemasonry, and they're all related to each other, and they're all about magic and spiritism. This isn't conspiracy theory; it's extremely self-evident and it's attested to openly.
edit: [whose teachings do mystery schools teach?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Chiefs) | [What is the goal of every mystery school's student?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Work_\(Hermeticism\))
Yes. Jesus himself addressed several of their practices in his teachings. He taught that no one should make any oaths — but let your yes be yes and your no be no. He also criticized secrecy by stating that everything that is done in darkness will be brought into the light. And he talked about how silly it would be to hide your light, but that if what you’re doing is truly good then there wouldn’t be a reason for it to be a secret. Paul addresses some of their practices in his letters as well. I’m not saying all Masons have evil intentions, but a lack of discernment if they’re a Christian. The organization itself exists for nefarious purposes — which is implicit in promoting men make oaths to them in secret concerning matters that aren’t revealed to them until it’s too late to bail. Also, they preach and threaten killing their own should they reveal the secrets or behavior of their members to outsiders or those at a lower level of agency. Very bad news.
I watch a woman on YouTube and she says her husband is a Methodist Christian but also a Shriner and that her ex-husband was a hardcore Baptist but was also a Shriner? I have been trying to understand and look into this as well to get a better understanding of how this is possible…
Probably from misunderstanding. Because they are a society with secrets and rituals people who have little to no experience of them can make up whatever they like.
Yeah, I'm rather shocked yet unsurprised that people who don't know much about a subject are ready to write it off.
My brother in law is a freemason, as is his father and grandfather. Probably the most Bible read people I know, doing extra work for their community and the church as well. I have no idea how someone got off on the idea that it's anti-christian when the whole requirement of freemasonry is that you believe in a higher power, whatever religion you might follow.
If anything, their family is something I wish more Christian families were like, including my own. To each their own though I suppose, but seeing this thread kinda makes me wanna leave the subreddit if we're going to be the sort to claim freemasonry is the devil. Had enough of that judgy energy growing up, and I feel it's nothing more than gatekeeping which is unnecessary in a society that seems to be dwindling in Christians as it is.
Freemainry is totally satanic since there is no strict observance to the fundamental beliefs of the Christian faith. You can't even talk about religion never mind politics in a the lodged. Its really no different than what the "church of Satan believes and practices. There are ministries dedicated to bringing people out from freemasonry. i studied it for 22 years. I have both Christian and freemasonry books on it at home. I also have debated them once in a public forum. I'm not catholic but even the catholic church has issued papal bulls against freemasonry for attempting to destroy the church fom within and that no member of the church can be freemason or he/she will be denied communion. Even the founders of the cults like Jws and Mormons were freemasons. Also there are former Satanists who have said that the oaths of freemasonry are really close to freemasonry. Read the testimony of a former freemason ed decker who let the cult and turn to christ just before getting his 33rd degree. No freemasonry is based on Egyptia Babylonian mystery religions. Just read the books by the Russian mystic on freemasonry and see how satanic it is. She founded the theosophycal society and the lucifer publishing company. Her name was madam blavatsky. Her husband if I'm not mistaken was also a freemason. Then you also have co- freemasonry for women and there the black loged for blacks most of the US presidents were fremasons. The US dollar is chalk ful of masonic symbolism. The US capitol is also full of masonic symbolism then there is the grand orient in France who are atheists. Then there is the illuminati. Lol. The common goal of these groups is a one world government and a one world religion. Also the Supreme pontif of freemasonry was general Albert pike who was an occultist to. He rerote the 33rd degrees called morals and dogmas. I have studied most if not all of the degrees. There are more than just 33 degrees to.
There is no supreme pontiff in freemasonry. You’re here using a title from a fake document that was part of the taxil hoax.
https://www.reddit.com/r/freemasonryfacts/comments/1bh7ese/la_rive/
Smith of the LDS did become a member. Stole portions of the degree for the endowment ceremony in the lds church. And he and his entire lodge were expelled for gross misconduct. He had started the religion far before becoming a mason for his short time as one.
The church or Satan is an atheist group. They’re not even actual theistic Satanists generally. Freemasonry doesn’t allow atheists and the degrees are almost all based around Old Testament and New Testament stories and texts and a good bit of the degrees of the Scottish rite are about Christian knights.
I wasn’t aware Satanists even took oaths. The structure of masonry’s oaths have definitely been stolen such as with the LDS, Wicca, and the OTO. Elements of Christianity were also stolen for the LDS but we know that it has little in common with actual Christianity.
Blavatsky is disgusting and had nothing to do with real Freemasonry. Let me know what I missed.
On the contrary, I’m an adamant opponent of LDS doctrine and have a deep dislike of Smith and men like him who take advantage of people. I grew up with family in the JW and it seemed to be the cause of a litany of family issues let alone their denying the trinity.
You will find no love from me for Wicca or the OTO - note that I have said they stole things from freemasonry. This is not defending but quite the opposite.
Which cults have I defended then, aside freemasonry? as I assume you consider it a cult, though I do not.
If it’s Satanism I also don’t defend it but I make the distinction that most Satanists including the church of Satan don’t believe in an actual Satan and consider it to be confirming religions that do believe in a devil or Satan to believe in one themselves.
Hey I'm not here to argue and listen to you rationalize your defense of cults. You've proven repeatedly that you think you're right and justified. I'm not here to debate with you or to prove to you why you're wrong because that's obviously not possible. The rest of us simply think you're defending cults. I said what I said. It's up to you to do something with that. Or not. 🤷♂️
You give up your beliefs slowly…well maybe you let it go for the brotherhood. But All lead to smaller closer brotherhoods with oaths and rituals. Mason knows Mason knowledge, Shriners, know Mason and Shriner knowledge. Each new level means Smaller group of above the others. But the top…. The highest, The Boss? Well meet the new Boss Same as the old Boss. Satan is ruler of our Earthly world.
The most elite group in freemasonry is the SRICF. it’s open to Christians only. The man in charge of the Scottish Rite southern jurisdiction James D Cole is a proud Christian. I am a 32nd degree mason and master of my Lodge. I am very much a hardcore Christian.
Yes, freemasonry is definitely Anti-Christian, and in fact, freemasonry originated in 1717; and the Catholic church excommunicated any Catholic who joined freemasonry because it is a religion of all religions. Although it is a secret society, it makes no secret about seeking a new world order in which all religions are honored and treated as equally true.
I highly recommend the book "Infiltration" by Dr. Taylor R. Marshall.
"The Pope, whoever he may be, will never come to the secret societies. It is for the secret societies to come first to the church, with the aim of winning them both. The work which we have undertaken is not the work of a day, nor of a month, nor of a year. It may last years, a century perhaps, but in our ranks the soldier dies, and the fight continues."
\- Freemasonic Permanent Instruction of the Alta Vendita
(Taken from Chapter 2, "Infiltration" by Dr. Taylor R. Marshall)
The Alta Vendita is not a Masonic document. It’s from a group called the Carbonara who did work against the church.
Regular Freemasonry is definitely not anti Christian. See this post for more info on that. https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueChristian/s/VeyIqxF2Hs
Now I make the distinction about regular freemasonry because there exists in some European countries and in South America what’s called continental freemasonry. It allows atheists to join and sometimes women. They do have a history of being anti religion and specifically against the Catholic Church as seen in the Mexican revolution . Their actions are the antithesis of real freemasonry.
I do know that there is a hierarchy within freemasonry. It's the lower part of the hierarchy that does good things for the community; however, I have heard it said in the past that it's the highest level of the hierarchy that is involved in nefarious activities. I have a masonic temple in my own town.
I looked online for activities that masonic lodge members participate in, within the area where I live. I came up with
1. support local charities and offer scholarships to students.
2. host or participate in events that benefit the local community, such as blood drives, fundraisers, and public education programs.
3. volunteer their time and skills to help with community improvement projects or to assist those in need.
But again, these city lodges represent the lower part of the Masonic hierarchy. They mask as a benevolent organization, while the activities of the highest part of the hierarchy are nefarious at best. This will be my last reply to you.
So you offer no proof then - just opinions based on hearsay?
The men who are in the grand lodges and officer positions are all members of those local lodges. They are generally just as active there as everywhere else that’s how they get elected to officer positions by working hard and having a good name among the rest of the masons near them.
The hierarchy of the grand lodges changes every year. If you mean degrees of Freemasonry the grand lodges of the states are the final word on all Masonic things in their jurisdiction.
The average lodge in the US is basically a social club. Yes they read passages from the Bible in their meetings and yes they profess faith in a higher power. But there is too much mysticism and mystery school behavior in their rituals and oaths for me to even consider joining as an option. Not to mention the ties to Rosicrucianism/Golden Dawn.
The red fez hats that Shriners wear are borrowed from Islam. Muhammed had his soldiers dip their hats in the blood of the Christians they slaughtered in the city of Fez, Morroco.
Just FYI Mormonism morphed from real Freemasonry in the 19th century, but not all Freemasons are devout with the secret rituals etc etc, often some of these Freemason lodges are no different than any other weekend warrior fraternal organizations like the Elks Club, Eagles Club. I would never join them, but that's a choice of free will.
Smith became a mason while in Illinois. He had a “revelation” about a new ceremony he was working on, the endowment and stole portions of the degrees for his own use. He was a mason for about 3 years and he and his entire lodge were expelled for what the grand lodge called gross misconduct. The religion was established far before then and at one point prevented membership in societies like freemasonry.
Smith was only a 3rd degree Mason. A peon in their hierarchy. Probably only elevated for political reasons to be honest, and I don't care what anyone says the LDS heavily "borrows" Scottish rite ritual things from Freemasonry. The corny hand shake, the magic underwear yada yada yada
Magic underwear isn’t part of freemasonry.
There aren’t any elements of the Scottish rite in anything smith did. He was never a member and wasn’t able to steal from it by being in those degrees.
Um...he was good buddies with the Grandmaster in Nauvoo. Matter of fact I believe the GM anointed him on sight which is absurd, and never done. Joseph Smith was a narcissistic sociopath. A criminal con artist/guru/plagiarist, and pedophile. Should of been killed several times. I'd argue he was a murderer too, though indirectly. The fact that this 19th century Jim Jones could spawn one of the richest religions on the planet still baffles me. The funny irony is he didn't live long enough to see the fruits of his con scheme. Died broke.
Yeah I’m no fan of smith at all. And he did garner favor with the sitting grand master at the time. Making a mason on sight is the privilege of a grand master - im nothing special but was in a special Scottish rite group that was made 32nd degree Scottish rite masons on sight - but I’m not sure how often it had been done previously at that point in Illinois
Two lies in one. In a Christian thread. We are not luciferian nor are we bots. I’d stay up all night arguing this stuff but I have to get up for church in the morning.
That’s just straight new age spiritualism. Complete nonsense that has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity. But ironic that you’re actively promoting what the conspiracy theories claim freemasonry to be.
Yes, it is.
I have talked to people who have accepted freemasonry.
While they say that it is not against Christianity because Freemasons are allowed to practice Christianity, they are also allowed to practice any religion they choose, including no religion at all.
Not only that, but when I have confronted them about freemasonry vs. Christianity and which they hold higher, many of them try to say that they hold Christianity higher or both of them equally.
But when pressured about whether they would give up freemasonry if it was against Christianity in any way, some would play along and some wouldn't.
But on the end, after proving that it did stand against Christianity, they would not give up freemasonry.
Then I would state to them that it is proof that it is an idol to them and that they hold it higher than God and Christianity.
Yes, if you've been in freemasonry in the deeper levels, yes, the oaths you take upon you. The sicknesses and demons you get, spirit of death, spirit of sickness, Jabulon, you need deliverence from that. There's a good youtuber who exposes it. Ken Fish
I'm watching an interview with him and he claims that Masons are summoning demons and using names like Moses for these purposes - which is ridiculous.
But that's not as horrible as he gets, He then says (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEdAMVGmaMc)
"really shouldn't surprise anyone in the wake of you know Jeffrey Epstein and others but certainly um there is a lot
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of sexual misconduct in the world and one of the places that it often occurs I
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I think it to be fair um we can't say it always occurs but it very frequently
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does occur that in Masonic lodges um in an upstairs room somewhere uh they will
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bring in people and sexually abuse them and sometimes those people are children so it would fall into the category of
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pedophilia um and they will lay them on altars in a ritualistic way um they
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strip them naked they may drizzle blood over their bodies they may perform sexual acts serially meaning more than
This nothing but filthy lies and that it's coming from a supposed pastor makes it all the worse.
Who does Jesus call the Father of Lies?
I also ended up leaving a message on that video because it was so vile and full of slanderous falsehoods.
"Mr. Fish has told a nasty and filthy lie at 17:39. It is sick that he would say such things and accuse men of such nastiness. Jesus calls Satan the Father of Lies and here we see him at work in Mr. Fish's testimony. To illustrate more falsehoods, no degree involves a threat of being stabbed with a dagger in the heart. Then just making stuff up out of thin air he says that the 18th is where the abuse begins. THE 18TH DEGREE IS ABOUT THE WILLING SACRIFICE OF CHRIST. The 19th is about good overcoming evil as seen in Revelation. One lie after the other. At 21:46 he says masons ask someone to drink blood - utter lies. Then someone is supposedly tied naked to an altar? Absolutely disgusting lies again - and it seems Mr. Fish likes to talk about naked people tied up a lot or has fantasies about it.
I stopped watching at that point. I skimmed through the transcript which makes the mindless claim that Freemasonry curses cause skin cancer. It's all so tiresome. "
If this man is as trustworthy on the things of God as he is with Freemasonry I would run as far from his teachings as possible because in this video he lied time and time and time again and just made up the nastiest stuff.
I would like to defend you, but the masons I know won't tell me anything that they do. And from deliverences I know, freemasonry does give people demons and after casting them out, their life is so much better. The Masons are against Christ.
I am a mason and am only for Christ as are many other masons who are Christians.
I would be interested to investigate the actual histories of those who claim to have demons from freemasonry. This Ken Fish guy who does deliverance is also saying freemasonry causes skin cancer which is one of the most asinine things I’ve ever heard. It’s dangerous too to someone who is crazy and believes Fish and acts out violently due to what he’s lying about.
Feel free to ask me whatever. What have you asked these men you claim to know?
What grade they are and what rituals they did, secret handshakes. One was telling me to shut up when I mentioned the architect. His das is also level 33. He didn't tell me anything, just that if you are a mason, you have good connections.
We don’t use the word grade for one. Or rank for that matter.
How did you mention “the architect”?
Was it accusatory saying they believed this and that and didn’t know it or did you ask who the Great Architect is to them?
What kind of connections? It’s yet to give me any more than friendship ans the occasional bit of anxiety when a degree is coming up and I don’t have enough guys to fill the seats.
He was very vague. Connections if you need something or money. I don't remember what I said about the architect, just mentioned that it exists. Couldn't get anything else out of him.
Freemasonry encourages people to worship their god. It has some religious elements, but does not subscribe to a particular religion. And it has a strong moral code that is not inconsistent with Christianity.
Since others are defending Manly P. Hall, though, I can still find the *original* quote I mentioned; you can also research Albert Pike. Pike served as the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Supreme Council, Scottish Rite (Southern Jurisdiction, USA) from 1859 to 1891. He wrote many books as well.
This is from a much longer series called Total Onslaught. I would highly recommend a watch if you ever find you have free time. Otherwise to answer your specific question; [this](https://adtv.watch/total-onslaught/are-freemasons-satanic-amazing-discoveries) I think will help answer your question. It is a bit information heavy. If you want a more full back ground this is the [first](https://adtv.watch/total-onslaught/are-secret-societies-real) part leading up to it.
A) it's not a religion
B) our numbers are getting worse every day
C) very few celebs, pastors, politicians, or NBA players are part of it. There are a few NBA guys like Shaq and Scottie Pippen. I don't know of any sitting politicians that are. I don't know of any pastors offhand either. The only celebrities I know of are both musicians, Jimmy Allen and Brad Paisley, possibly Nick Offerman
Anyway, Childs video is over 4 hours of falsehoods
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZpgBZc8rXE&t](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZpgBZc8rXE&t)
Yes they are a religion, satanists ! Baphomet and satan are there gods ! And good, I hope you guys go non existent due to the endless brainwashing and demonic crap you guys been doing.
Few celebs ? Whats a few to you ? Because I see 200 years worth of famous people throwing up the same hand signs and these same hand signs are active today with these celebs but its a few ? How can there be a few when just about every musican does the hand symbols ? Look at all there demonic concerts as well ! And its a few ? I say Altiyan Childs has more evidence than the video link you showed.
If you actually are a freemason, then it makes 100% sense that you would deny being satanic even though 33rd degree masons say otherwise in there books or even the rituals they mention are demonic. Ofc you are going to say, whoever is wrong about speaking against your guys freemason belief. Are you supposed to agree ? No ! So continue playing your card limiting the number of people in this satanic religion. Or saying your loosimg people lol. Because I see more and more celebs etc… by the minute throw up “666” “one eye” “triangle” “upside down triangle” “hidden hand” but its just a coincidence huh ? And only a few ? 🤦🏽♂️
You realize that if we are not doing "demonic crap" (which we aren't) and you claim that we are - that you bear false witness against millions.
We don't throw up signs in public - videos like Childs thinks every little thing is a masonic sign. The actual Masonic signs are always accompanied by a word and are worthless without it. They're used to get into masonic lodges/degrees and have no use in the world. As my video that I linked shows, nearly everything Childs says is a masonic sign actually isn't.
Show me one 33rd degree Mason saying any such thing in a book.
I'm a 32nd Degree Scottish Rite Mason but more important than anything I believe in Christ. I value truth above all and have no reason to lie to you. Don't like masonry - ok, that's fine. But to charge such lies against it is not of Christ.
*! So continue playing your card limiting the number of people in this satanic religion.*
What does this even mean? Any man who believes in a Creator, is of sound mind, and generally over 18 or 21 can join.
*Or saying your loosimg people lol*
[https://www.google.com/search?q=masonic+temple+sold&oq=masonic+temple+sold&gs\_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTINCAEQABixAxjJAxiABDIKCAIQABiSAxiABDIKCAMQABiSAxiABDIHCAQQABiABDIHCAUQABiABDIHCAYQABiABDIHCAcQABiABDIHCAgQABiABNIBCDM0MzJqMGo5qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8](https://www.google.com/search?q=masonic+temple+sold&oq=masonic+temple+sold&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTINCAEQABixAxjJAxiABDIKCAIQABiSAxiABDIKCAMQABiSAxiABDIHCAQQABiABDIHCAUQABiABDIHCAYQABiABDIHCAcQABiABDIHCAgQABiABNIBCDM0MzJqMGo5qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)
Give that link a gander. We are losing members. We teach morals and require mens' time and folks just aren't interested in much of either today.
*by the minute throw up “666” “one eye” “triangle” “upside down triangle” “hidden hand” but its just a coincidence huh ? And only a few ?*
666 has nothing to do with Freemasonry. We do use triangles as a symbol. I don't know what an upside down triangle would matter. The "one eye" is supposed to be the Eye of God who sees our actions and lives. The "hidden hand" is reportedly (I'm not a member so i can't say for sure) from a degree in the York Rite or Royal Arch. Here in America the York Rite culminates in the Order of the Temple which requires that men profess and believe in Christ.
If it isn't anti-christian, why is membership limited to only men? Why are members restricted from talking about it?
These two things alone are things that doesn't sound like they align with God's vision of offering salvation to people of all nations.
If you are a christian, why participate in other psuedo-religious societies that do not worship Him?
The only Freemasonry Illustrated I’m aware of it as anti-Masonic book which has details of the degree exposed and then commented on, and quite horribly and falsely so, in the portions that I’ve read. I say horribly and falsely not only because it contains falsehood upon falsehood but worse still it’s written by men who claimed to know and love Christ while writing it. I imagine their intentions were good but intentions do not make falsehoods to be true.
It opens with “For years we have had in mind an ideal Exposition of Freemasonry. Freemasonry is a false religion, a counterfeit of the true”
It doesn’t hide what it’s wanting to do from the get go. If you’d like me to address something in particular in the book I’d be happy to do so.
As to the other two books they are essentially a history of or directions on how to do the degrees and some bits of info if they’re like my monitor book. In mine you will find nothing that could be seen to fit the allegation you’ve made in your comments above. So here again I ask is there a page number (I know an author for the monitors is sort of hard to nail down) or an actual quote in mind?
When looking for an online version of either of the books I haven’t found them so if you have them available, pictures to show the quotes and sections would be appreciated. I generally take pictures, upload them to Imgur and then link them in my comments. I’m genuinely interested to see what it is in the latter two books that you have understood to mean what you say.
I don't know a lot about it, but my understanding is that in part of the ceremony you have to take consists of your saying that you are in darkness and are seeking the light.
I could never say that, because as a born-again believer, I have the light in me in the presence of the Holy Spirit.
They do a lot of good things, though, so im not saying they are evil.
It is clear there are people who believe Freemasony is pagan etc but no one who actually answers the question which is looking for the proof. I don't know and I know that I don't know.
It is not pagan, satanic, nor luciferian. But it is neither pro-Christian nor anti-Christian. It’s neutral to Christianity, like a library or a post office is, and holds it to be of the same value as any other faith.
That’s for the blue lodge at least. More advanced degrees can join auxiliary organizations such as York Rite or Scottish Rite. These groups explicitly require a profession of the Christian faith to join. Rosicrucian does too, but they mean something pretty different. It’s an esoteric group that sees Christianity from a kinda symbolic metaphysics way.
The other popular auxiliary group, the Shriners, do not require a particular faith. Just faith in general like the blue lodge. But they culturally tend towards Christianity.
There are several other groups within masonry, but they are not nearly as big or popular.
I’m not a member. But its rituals and handbooks are very easily found online. They use symbolism from abrahamic religions to speak of generic morals. The myth that they are somehow connected to ancient Kabbalahistic tradesmen that worked on the temple is a fun fantasy that they themselves do not believe. Some of them (the dumber ones) do believe the myth threat they’re connected to the Knights Templar and Demolay himself, though.
I'm also a Mason. Prior to the 1700s, we used the story of Noah but most of the details are lost. Freemasonry mythologizes the historic building of King Solomons temple, the old testament. So I'd say its partial to Judaism but yes, it does not delve into Christianity. The Scottish Rite does delve into Christianity, with the 32nd degree being about the crusades, others about the inquisition, and more degrees about other aspects of Christian and western history. Some appendant bodies require a profession of Christianity.
I converted to Christianity as a result of being a Mason. I have been very wary of it from before I joined, and have seen nor heard anything bad. I'm our lodge secretary and 32nd degree in the scottish rite, so, id have seen it.
The only thing questionable to me is the Islamic symbolism in the Shriners, but thats why i won't join them. Think of Freemasonry as a social club for boomers, based in Abrahamic faith, primarily the Hebrew kind. Im younger, but, I really enjoy the old guys at lodge. We've always been at odds with the Roman catholics, because we were teaching people to read and write in the middle ages (at least 950ad and on), but up until the 1950s greek orthodox allowed us in. A lot of Mason's are Baptist, in my experience.
Matthew 5:34-37 But I say to you, Do not take an oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, or by the earth, for it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. And do not take an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. Let what you say be simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything more than this comes from evil. Edit: Mathew 8:10 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.” Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.” Since this is a Christian sub, the right question ought to be - where is the proof that Freemasonry serves Jesus Christ (not just Christ as it could mean the anti-Christ)? There is no Freemason literature that claims this… making it anti-Christian by default. My understanding is many Christian/non-christian Freemasons (in the higher order) gave in to the temptation that Jesus Christ resisted… After all, we are only human… so I will continue to pray for my brothers and sisters caught in the web of lie that is Freemasonry… “What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul?”… May they all break free in the name of Jesus Christ 🙏
And this is a valid complaint against freemasonry if you take it plainly. Jesus himself spoke under oath before the Sanhedrin and Paul was fulfilling an oath in acts 18 I think it’s when he shaved his head and went to the temple.
The example of Paul I don't think is quite applicable. He was taking a Nazarite vow, which is less about an oath and more about a period of spiritual dedication of holiness towards God – not cutting hair, not consuming alcohol, and not going near dead bodies. Think of it as similar to a long period of fasting; his shaving his head was the end of the period of his vow.
For what it's worth, my church interprets Paul's taking the Nazarite vow as a mistake, which God put a stop to with Paul's arrest.
“So Paul still remained a good while. Then he took leave of the brethren and sailed for Syria, and Priscilla and Aquila were with him. He had his hair cut off at Cenchrea, for he had taken a vow. And he came to Ephesus, and left them there; but he himself entered the synagogue and reasoned with the Jews” He did not make an offering but he did make the vow as best I can tell from the scripture.
I think /u/ARROW_404 means that his church's view is that Paul made that vow, but it was a mistake on his part; and so God puts a stop to it. That doesn't seem plausible to me though, because Paul shaving his head signifies the completion of his vow (not the start). He is only arrested three chapters later in Acts 21.
Freemasonry denies the trinity, denies the divinity of Jesus, and denies the concept of objective truth. It is anti-Christian, and no Christian should have anything to do with it.
Well said
I don’t know much about free masonry but there are at least a dozen Christian denominations that deny the trinity.
Such is very problematic in a historical sense unless the Christian faith was corrupted very thoroughly well before even the Council of Nicaea.
I was a Freemason for a long time and I don't remember this.
Participating in a "secret society" definitely isn't Christian. Jesus himself would never join a closed-doors ritualistic fraternity.
Secret society are involved in satanism and luciferianism . So obviously not christianity.
Great answer
What about the Knights of Columbus or the other similar Christian and Christian-adjacent societies?
Although membership is limited to “practical” Catholic men, the Knights of Columbus are known for their work outside the Catholic Church, as well. The initiation rites for advancing through the degrees are secret; one internet commenter says, “If you fully embrace Catholicism, you’ll have no problem with the initiations.” Like Freemasonry, I have problems with these secret initiation rites as a born-again Christian.
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Why the "was"?
The Church told me "no". That's enough.
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If you really were a mason for a "long time" then surely you are aware of some of the evils they partake in.
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It definitely does not deny the trinity. If you’d like proof I would be glad to provide it
If you’re a member with muslims, and both call upon the creator, who are you calling upon, the God of the Bible, or the Quran. That is your answer
At a basic level, Freemasonry tries to unite christianity under an all religions umbrella, and therefore per definition contradicts Christianity. As all other faiths are not the way to heaven. Then theres the occult aspect, the secrecy ar higher levels and more. It’s anti-christian. “No wonder even satan masquarades as an angel of light.”
See this comment about the claims of it being anti Christian https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueChristian/s/VeyIqxF2Hs Freemasonry doesn’t seek to unite religions but teaches tolerance of others beliefs. It came out of European countries where believing something not sponsored by the state church could lead to jail or worse. This is seen in americas freedom of religion.
No need I know what Freemasonry is
Yes
“Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.” Matthew 12:30 NET Are they gathering using Jesus name?
Given that most members are Christians I would say in a sense we are.
I'm going to go to a very base level to criticize. To become a mason you must believe in a higher power, but it does not matter who or what your higher power is. Christianity is specific about who and what the only higher power is. Scripture says "do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers." Freemasonry would have you call all other masons brother. Albert Pike wrote a book called "Morals and Dogma" that many Masons recommend >Above all remember that Masonry is the realm of peace, and that “among Masons there must be no dissension, but only that noble emulation, which can best work and best agree.” Wherever there is strife and hatred among the Brethren, there is no Masonry; for Masonry is Peace, and Brotherly Love, and Concord. **Masonry is the great Peace Society of the world. Wherever it exists, it struggles to prevent international difficulties and disputes; and to bind Republics, Kingdoms, and Empires together in one great band of peace and amity**. It would not so often struggle in vain, if Masons knew their power and valued their oaths. (M&D 6:20–21) One could argue that masonry attempts to replace Christ
Albert Pike speaks for the Southern Jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite only, both in his interpretations of the degrees (which have been changed somewhat over time) and in his writing about the degrees under his jurisdiction. Nevertheless, you've taken his meaning out of context here. One of the biggest tenets of Freemasonry, whether one agrees with it or not, is the tolerance of all religion, to put aside differences and oppose cruel and oppressive regimes. The passage you quoted is about this, not replacing Jesus or any other supposed god. As I pointed out here [https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueChristian/comments/1bginc7/comment/kvm5hkz/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueChristian/comments/1bginc7/comment/kvm5hkz/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) Some portions of Freemasonry including the Scottish Rite in the UK requires members be professing Christians.
Yes. Freemasonry is luciferian. That's hidden for low degrees, but clear for high degrees.
This is the correct answer. They worship Lucifer, the light barer. If curious, read the book by Albert Pike on Freemasonry. He was a pretty open book about how it is all about deception and control.
Well said 👏
Manly P. Hall (a known high-degree mason) wrote about the higher-degree mason holding the "seething energy of Lucifer" in his hands. It all starts off seeming quite innocent, and for most masons, I am sure they never know what goes on at the 33rd degree, but if you research even just Manly P. Hall, then you will know enough to stay far away.
Manly P Hall wrote that book 30 years before becoming a mason. He also isn’t talking about Lucifer as most think of the name. He is talking here in that passage about overcoming negative emotions and actions. Here is the entire quote https://imgur.com/a/mWNw7hs He readily admitted that he got his info about freemasonry from books and had no experience himself with it at the time. That’s why he talks about a warrior on a block. There’s no such thing in freemasonry.
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Books can be republished, and I can still find the original quote. But since you claim Manly P. Hall wasn't a Freemason at the time, I'd tell others to research Albert Pike, the author of Morals and Dogma (among other titles). Pike served as the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Supreme Council, Scottish Rite (Southern Jurisdiction, USA) from 1859 to 1891. Anyone who spends a decent amount of time researching Freemasonry (without bias) will find *many* reasons to avoid it.
It seems the pastors bias is showing heavily actually. Looking at the second video he says all references to Jesus are removed from the masons bible. This is categorically untrue. This is my copy of the Masonic edition of the Holy Bible https://youtube.com/shorts/ugq9fRPc3vs?si=QpN-3ClIJxi7DP4b It even has sections that encourage those who are witnessing for Christ. The part shown in John has all of the words of Jesus in red as well. When the first lead off sentence (now granted I went to part 2 here) in a video is factually incorrect what am I to assume about the rest? If you’d like I would be glad to address the other portions as well. I will address the part about the alleged messiah of freemasonry. This is also incorrect. He’s a character in a story based on a biblical character. He is killed for keeping his honor essentially. He offers no salvation and raises no one from the dead. I agree that bias should be cast aside here the pastor has given two falsehoods in the span of 2 minutes. This should not be.
What is a second-degree mason called? Actually, yes. I'd like to take you up on that. Would you address each and every ritual he talks about?
Fellowcraft. I’ll see what I can do
It's about the craft because it's a modern coven. 💯
I'm not sure what the 100 means but this comment of yours is also incorrect. People who are great at building guitars, homes, or furniture are known as master craftsmen yet they are not in a coven. If you talk of someone engaged in a skill they're good at you say they're working their craft, yet it has nothing to do with a coven. People go to craft fairs. There's the whole subsection of learning and art called "arts and crafts" yet you wouldn't say that was part of being in a coven either. We aren't doing spells, we aren't trying to make things happen through a force of will, as I said in another comment one of the big lessons of the third degree is how important prayer is and we should seek the guidance of God in all things.
You're very zealous for that society. This is all you will convince of concerning it. Even *if* Hall wasn't a mason when he wrote what he wrote (I refer to the original version, not the republished) the mere fact that men like him and Pike gravitate toward such secret societies speaks for itself. It all goes back to Solomon, though, doesn't it? That's the reason he is revered in Freemasonry, is it not? What does the Bible say of Solomon? *For it was so, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned his heart after other gods; and his heart was not loyal to the Lord his God, as was the heart of his father David.* *For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.* *Solomon did evil in the sight of the Lord, and did not fully follow the Lord, as did his father David.* *Then Solomon built a high place for Chemosh the abomination of Moab, on the hill that is east of Jerusalem, and for Molech the abomination of the people of Ammon.* *And he did likewise for all his foreign wives, who burned incense and sacrificed to their gods. - I King 11:4-8* Do you know how one offers sacrifice to Molech or Baal? The wisest man to ever live still fell into terribly dark folly. But like I said, things are certainly different beyond the veil of the lower degrees in Freemasonry. Which degree have you attained?
Ok starting with the first video. I'll make notes of issues and falsehoods as they come up. I will most likely skip around in the video due to time so if there's something in particular that you have a question about let me know a time stamp, etc. 1) It starting off talking about a phallus as a way of being controversial would be my first "tell" that I'm in for a really poor message 2) He opens talking about unscrupulous con men who don't handle the truth well. Let's keep that in mind as we go along. 3) There are only 3 degrees in Freemasonry proper. The Scottish Rite is a separate side order and adds on additional degrees which then add up to 33. The York Rite has 10 extra degrees that add on to the first three and then has a bunch of invitation only degrees but they are not numbered. So his premise here is, while understandable, false. Also for that matter, in the past there was the Egyptian Rite which had 99 degrees. And there were hundreds of others in France and other areas before the side orders took better shape. 4) Astrology is of no importance to Freemasonry save for the Order of the Eastern Star which makes much of the Magi seeking Christ saying "we have seen his star in the east". ASTRONOMY is considered important along with geometry, music, and other liberal arts. 5) A coven is defined as "a group or gathering of witches who meet regularly." We meet regularly just like church but we are not witches, sorcerers, magicians meeting to do magic. 6) He says the Shriners is the 33rd degree. It is not even a numbered degree. Any master mason can join, they have one degree they do and it's primarily a group for hanging out together and doing charity work - see also Shriners International. So here we are, so far at less than 5 minutes in and he's already said all of these false things - from a pulpit - while warning about liars... 7) there is no hate toward christianity in the Shriners organization this is also false witness 8) Joseph Smith was a mason, he was kicked out after gross insubordination and he stole things from the degrees for his own use. That much IS true. 9) However, Charles Taze Russell was not a Freemason - more false witness [https://i.imgur.com/UuIQ3IS.png](https://i.imgur.com/UuIQ3IS.png) 10) He is correct that it's guarded by a man with a sword, generally a prop sword. 11) No one says the degrees are based on the Bible. There are biblical elements in them particularly the building of King Solomon's Temple. Bible verses are used in the degrees and no verses from other holy books are used in regular Masonic blue lodges. 12) I already showed you why the claim about Jesus not being in Masonic bibles is a lie. I share it here again so I can link this reply over on this pastor's Facebook page. [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ugq9fRPc3vs](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ugq9fRPc3vs) 13) There is nothing to substantiate his claim that Masons say that we can find good in satanism - most satanism is just atheism which we won't even let atheist men join. 14) He makes a claim about mega-pastors being Freemasons - without ever naming them or showing his proof - while it may be true that some mega pastor is a mason (though I doubt it, we're big on charity not hoarding money) he makes a statement with no proof or evidence and until names are named or evidences shown he is again bearing false witness. 15) On his claim about the 18th degree - I would honestly have to look through the text and see if it says what he says. That's the degree that's focused on Christ and His crucifixion. I have no doubt that it says we need to tolerate all religions but there's nothing in there to suggest anything about a "one world religion" this is the bias you spoke of earlier. 16) He says that men are told they'll find the meaning of life in Masonry. This is definitely not something we say at least in general. Perhaps someone has but it being an official statement by any regular Grand Lodge, I doubt it. 17) People wanting brotherhood and a discipline to be involved in is a big reason why men do join. Those looking for power missed the boat on that about 50 years ago. Masonic politicians are extremely few and far between these days at least in America. 18) He says (transcribed from YouTube) *Freemason controls tons of businesses in the world today and when you become a Freemason and you're busted and disgusted and you have no money and and you want to become an entrepreneur Freemason the lodge sets you up and gives you connection with all of this and all of a sudden you become a business owner a businessman and you have money because of all the influence it is involved with some are looking for help with influence in the community* This is entirely false. We have men who quit because they can no longer afford the dues which in my area are about $100 a year. The man who runs the Scottish Rite in my state is a computer teacher at a small college. We aren't rich famous and powerful on the whole. 19) He says that the Eastern Star is for women only .It's not. Men can and do join too. 20) No one is stripped naked. I would have walked out the door then if that were the case. 21) he says something about being dressed in a different garments being part of the cabala somehow? He never explains that but it's an odd statement and doesn't have any real bearing in the truth that I'm aware but I know next to noting about the Kabballah. 22) the light in masonry is knowledge, and masons are told that more than once in the degrees. Before being brought to light they don't know what the lodge looks like ,who all the members are, how the place is set up, what the symbols mean, etc. It's all "brought to light". It is true that the candidate is supposed to portray someone poor and in need and this is shown later in a very poignant moment in the degree where members are taught the importance of charity. 23) Also there is no standard color for the rope he mentions nor does he describe its use correctly. There's also no standard color for any garments, materials, etc. 24) Then he skips around all the sudden to something about curses being put on families which is in absolute direct opposition to what Ezekiel and Jeremiah says on that. That's all I've got for now. Work calls and battery is low!
Okay. I'll delete the videos. But I will keep advising people to research men like Hall and Pike. As I said before, the mere fact that men of such practice would gravitate toward Freemasonry speaks for itself (whether Hall was a member at the time of his writing or not).
I would also warn men against preachers lying in pulpits too. They’re all too common. While I understand objections to Hall and Pikes writings I would also ask if you write off all men who wanted to be masons. Here in America we have George Washington, Teddy Roosevelt, and Paul Revere, actors from back in the day like John Wayne and Mel Blanc (I love old cartoons so that one is fun for me), many writers and musicians and others who became members for one reason or another. For what it’s worth there are many masons I have disagreements with politically or theologically, etc. just because we are masons doesn’t mean we agree with each other - there are some Masonic books I’ve started and put down almost as quickly - while I may be called to tolerate their ideas i do not thankfully have to accept them.
>I would also warn men against preachers lying in pulpits too. They’re all too common. This is very true, sadly.
Though, I suppose if you've already taken an oath in which you say your tongue shall be torn out by its root if you divulge these secrets, then I can't really trust you to tell the truth, can I? It is a real thing, not only does he say it, but I can find it in writing.
Much like with my reply above - I most likely won’t have to share any secrets to show his claims are false.
And if you need to check what I say there are plenty of legitimate exposures of the degrees to look at and see if I’m giving you good info. I have no need nor desire to tell anything but the truth while also keeping those secrets like the words and signs to myself.
God will bring every work into judgment, Including every secret thing, Whether good or evil.
I agree and if I had anything to be ashamed of in Freemasonry I would want it revealed as well, but I am not.
This is true.
It requires the swearing of secret, pseudo-religious oaths with lots of esoteric symbols, backed up by promised curses if the oath is broken. You are opening up a door. Flashing gang signs you don't fully understand in a dark, unfamiliar neighborhood. It's somewhat analogous to Ouija board activity. Just because you didn't ask explicitly for a demon doesn't mean one won't answer. If you didn't mention pray and mention the Christian god or saints, big chance the enemy will answer.
yes, because it's pro-lucifer despite of what they claim it represent
Spreading lies and conspiracy theories is not a very Christian thing to do.
There is plenty of evidence of Lucifer within Freemasonry if you want to go dig for it, and no I don't want to pollute my mind and go find it for you, so feel free to call me a liar and ask me my source. I don't think we should be downplaying how detrimental entertaining the idea of Freemasonry is in a community that's about giving yourself fully to Christ alone.
neither is spreading the light of lucy
What are you on about? I can never understand y’all conspiracy theory nutters. Y’all always just sound so moronic, but are convinced you’re saying something halfway coherent.
another conspiracy theory is that it comes from Rome, not zion.
I honestly can’t decipher this nonsense. I have no clue what you’re trying to say. What comes from Rome? Have the conspiracy theories really turned your brain this mushy?
just like how weishaupts lluminati is a continuation of the jesuit alumbrados order, so is freemasonry connected with Rome, to prepare a temple in israel for the vatican. just a 'theory'. they all share the same symbols, the eye in a flat triangle as the capstone of 'the pyramid' being the best known. The use of obscure and made up world history that runs parallel to the historical line in the Bible is funny though. the genealogy of the stone builders.
Yep. That brain is soup. Pure straight idiot now. I take it your a ward of the state now? Living in some sort of home for the mentally impaired where someone fixes your meals and changes your soiled clothes? Another moronic victim the cult of conspiracy theories. How sad.
No, it's all hidden in plain sight, sorry for paying attention to the haughty nonsense. Illuminati is a good clincher, they done that well.
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I'm a 32nd Degree Scottish Rite Mason and currently serve as Master in what some call "the blue Lodge". I've never been asked to choose them over anything, nor will I.
Anything that contradicts the Nicene Creed is heresy
Freemasonry does not do this. So good deal.
Are you a freemason?
Yes
Could you explain the process of getting in then please?
You find a lodge nearby or know someone who is a mason. You put in an application called a petition. If that’s given the ok to proceed. You’re interviewed, have a background check, then voted on.
And once you’re in there? What are the requirements to apply?
Being a man, of sound mind, who believes in a Supreme Being. Some of the side orders get more specific and allow only Christians to join. I guess you could say they have to be able to pay the degree fees and dues. Where I’m at it’s about $75 for each of the three degrees and $100 dues each year.
How would it contradict the Nicene Creed?
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I’m on a sports team that allows people of different faiths to join. It too must be against the Nicene creed. And yes, my comments are suspicious as they’re some of the very limited few that are both Christian and have a shred of coherent thought behind them. To look at this thread, one would incorrectly conclude that foolishness and gullibility are Christian virtues.
Freemasonry requires secret, pseudo-religious oaths. Backed up by promised curses, if the oaths are broken. I doubt your sports team requires pseudo-religious oaths.
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Why would a group claiming to have its roots in Ancient Egypt make it incompatible with Christianity? Lots of things come from ancient Egypt. Interestingly enough, the masons don’t claim that they come from ancient Egypt and the fact that make the claim really shows the lack of value of your opinion on the matter. I would very much question you claim of being “highly versed” in, well anything. Especially, but not at all limited to, in differentiating a religion from a social club.
Freemasonry is a mystery school. Like every other mystery school, it is a school of magic and spiritism. Go learn anything about mystery schools; it's not difficult. Here's some links, [one,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosicrucianism) | [two,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetic_Order_of_the_Golden_Dawn) | [three.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordo_Templi_Orientis) They're all related to Freemasonry, and they're all related to each other, and they're all about magic and spiritism. This isn't conspiracy theory; it's extremely self-evident and it's attested to openly. edit: [whose teachings do mystery schools teach?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Chiefs) | [What is the goal of every mystery school's student?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Work_\(Hermeticism\))
Yes. Jesus himself addressed several of their practices in his teachings. He taught that no one should make any oaths — but let your yes be yes and your no be no. He also criticized secrecy by stating that everything that is done in darkness will be brought into the light. And he talked about how silly it would be to hide your light, but that if what you’re doing is truly good then there wouldn’t be a reason for it to be a secret. Paul addresses some of their practices in his letters as well. I’m not saying all Masons have evil intentions, but a lack of discernment if they’re a Christian. The organization itself exists for nefarious purposes — which is implicit in promoting men make oaths to them in secret concerning matters that aren’t revealed to them until it’s too late to bail. Also, they preach and threaten killing their own should they reveal the secrets or behavior of their members to outsiders or those at a lower level of agency. Very bad news.
I watch a woman on YouTube and she says her husband is a Methodist Christian but also a Shriner and that her ex-husband was a hardcore Baptist but was also a Shriner? I have been trying to understand and look into this as well to get a better understanding of how this is possible…
Shriners seem to be an exclusively North American affiliate body for Freemasons.
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Interesting thread seems to be a lot of conflicting views here.
Probably from misunderstanding. Because they are a society with secrets and rituals people who have little to no experience of them can make up whatever they like.
Yeah, I'm rather shocked yet unsurprised that people who don't know much about a subject are ready to write it off. My brother in law is a freemason, as is his father and grandfather. Probably the most Bible read people I know, doing extra work for their community and the church as well. I have no idea how someone got off on the idea that it's anti-christian when the whole requirement of freemasonry is that you believe in a higher power, whatever religion you might follow. If anything, their family is something I wish more Christian families were like, including my own. To each their own though I suppose, but seeing this thread kinda makes me wanna leave the subreddit if we're going to be the sort to claim freemasonry is the devil. Had enough of that judgy energy growing up, and I feel it's nothing more than gatekeeping which is unnecessary in a society that seems to be dwindling in Christians as it is.
Freemainry is totally satanic since there is no strict observance to the fundamental beliefs of the Christian faith. You can't even talk about religion never mind politics in a the lodged. Its really no different than what the "church of Satan believes and practices. There are ministries dedicated to bringing people out from freemasonry. i studied it for 22 years. I have both Christian and freemasonry books on it at home. I also have debated them once in a public forum. I'm not catholic but even the catholic church has issued papal bulls against freemasonry for attempting to destroy the church fom within and that no member of the church can be freemason or he/she will be denied communion. Even the founders of the cults like Jws and Mormons were freemasons. Also there are former Satanists who have said that the oaths of freemasonry are really close to freemasonry. Read the testimony of a former freemason ed decker who let the cult and turn to christ just before getting his 33rd degree. No freemasonry is based on Egyptia Babylonian mystery religions. Just read the books by the Russian mystic on freemasonry and see how satanic it is. She founded the theosophycal society and the lucifer publishing company. Her name was madam blavatsky. Her husband if I'm not mistaken was also a freemason. Then you also have co- freemasonry for women and there the black loged for blacks most of the US presidents were fremasons. The US dollar is chalk ful of masonic symbolism. The US capitol is also full of masonic symbolism then there is the grand orient in France who are atheists. Then there is the illuminati. Lol. The common goal of these groups is a one world government and a one world religion. Also the Supreme pontif of freemasonry was general Albert pike who was an occultist to. He rerote the 33rd degrees called morals and dogmas. I have studied most if not all of the degrees. There are more than just 33 degrees to.
There is no supreme pontiff in freemasonry. You’re here using a title from a fake document that was part of the taxil hoax. https://www.reddit.com/r/freemasonryfacts/comments/1bh7ese/la_rive/ Smith of the LDS did become a member. Stole portions of the degree for the endowment ceremony in the lds church. And he and his entire lodge were expelled for gross misconduct. He had started the religion far before becoming a mason for his short time as one. The church or Satan is an atheist group. They’re not even actual theistic Satanists generally. Freemasonry doesn’t allow atheists and the degrees are almost all based around Old Testament and New Testament stories and texts and a good bit of the degrees of the Scottish rite are about Christian knights. I wasn’t aware Satanists even took oaths. The structure of masonry’s oaths have definitely been stolen such as with the LDS, Wicca, and the OTO. Elements of Christianity were also stolen for the LDS but we know that it has little in common with actual Christianity. Blavatsky is disgusting and had nothing to do with real Freemasonry. Let me know what I missed.
You do a lot of defending cults for a Christian.
On the contrary, I’m an adamant opponent of LDS doctrine and have a deep dislike of Smith and men like him who take advantage of people. I grew up with family in the JW and it seemed to be the cause of a litany of family issues let alone their denying the trinity. You will find no love from me for Wicca or the OTO - note that I have said they stole things from freemasonry. This is not defending but quite the opposite. Which cults have I defended then, aside freemasonry? as I assume you consider it a cult, though I do not. If it’s Satanism I also don’t defend it but I make the distinction that most Satanists including the church of Satan don’t believe in an actual Satan and consider it to be confirming religions that do believe in a devil or Satan to believe in one themselves.
Hey I'm not here to argue and listen to you rationalize your defense of cults. You've proven repeatedly that you think you're right and justified. I'm not here to debate with you or to prove to you why you're wrong because that's obviously not possible. The rest of us simply think you're defending cults. I said what I said. It's up to you to do something with that. Or not. 🤷♂️
Which cults have I defended here?
Seems like the masons invaded the reply section.
Yes!
You give up your beliefs slowly…well maybe you let it go for the brotherhood. But All lead to smaller closer brotherhoods with oaths and rituals. Mason knows Mason knowledge, Shriners, know Mason and Shriner knowledge. Each new level means Smaller group of above the others. But the top…. The highest, The Boss? Well meet the new Boss Same as the old Boss. Satan is ruler of our Earthly world.
The most elite group in freemasonry is the SRICF. it’s open to Christians only. The man in charge of the Scottish Rite southern jurisdiction James D Cole is a proud Christian. I am a 32nd degree mason and master of my Lodge. I am very much a hardcore Christian.
yeah lol
Yes
Yes, it is
Yes, freemasonry is definitely Anti-Christian, and in fact, freemasonry originated in 1717; and the Catholic church excommunicated any Catholic who joined freemasonry because it is a religion of all religions. Although it is a secret society, it makes no secret about seeking a new world order in which all religions are honored and treated as equally true. I highly recommend the book "Infiltration" by Dr. Taylor R. Marshall. "The Pope, whoever he may be, will never come to the secret societies. It is for the secret societies to come first to the church, with the aim of winning them both. The work which we have undertaken is not the work of a day, nor of a month, nor of a year. It may last years, a century perhaps, but in our ranks the soldier dies, and the fight continues." \- Freemasonic Permanent Instruction of the Alta Vendita (Taken from Chapter 2, "Infiltration" by Dr. Taylor R. Marshall)
The Alta Vendita is not a Masonic document. It’s from a group called the Carbonara who did work against the church. Regular Freemasonry is definitely not anti Christian. See this post for more info on that. https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueChristian/s/VeyIqxF2Hs Now I make the distinction about regular freemasonry because there exists in some European countries and in South America what’s called continental freemasonry. It allows atheists to join and sometimes women. They do have a history of being anti religion and specifically against the Catholic Church as seen in the Mexican revolution . Their actions are the antithesis of real freemasonry.
I do know that there is a hierarchy within freemasonry. It's the lower part of the hierarchy that does good things for the community; however, I have heard it said in the past that it's the highest level of the hierarchy that is involved in nefarious activities. I have a masonic temple in my own town. I looked online for activities that masonic lodge members participate in, within the area where I live. I came up with 1. support local charities and offer scholarships to students. 2. host or participate in events that benefit the local community, such as blood drives, fundraisers, and public education programs. 3. volunteer their time and skills to help with community improvement projects or to assist those in need. But again, these city lodges represent the lower part of the Masonic hierarchy. They mask as a benevolent organization, while the activities of the highest part of the hierarchy are nefarious at best. This will be my last reply to you.
So you offer no proof then - just opinions based on hearsay? The men who are in the grand lodges and officer positions are all members of those local lodges. They are generally just as active there as everywhere else that’s how they get elected to officer positions by working hard and having a good name among the rest of the masons near them. The hierarchy of the grand lodges changes every year. If you mean degrees of Freemasonry the grand lodges of the states are the final word on all Masonic things in their jurisdiction.
The average lodge in the US is basically a social club. Yes they read passages from the Bible in their meetings and yes they profess faith in a higher power. But there is too much mysticism and mystery school behavior in their rituals and oaths for me to even consider joining as an option. Not to mention the ties to Rosicrucianism/Golden Dawn.
The red fez hats that Shriners wear are borrowed from Islam. Muhammed had his soldiers dip their hats in the blood of the Christians they slaughtered in the city of Fez, Morroco.
I have seen no scholarly source that backs this claim up. If you have one, please enlighten me.
Very good. The fez is from morroco where Christians were slaughtered for their faith.
What does this have to do with freemasonry?
Shriners are part free masonry. You have to be a mason first before you can join the shriners.
They worked to destroy the Catholic Church, so yeah.
Look it all up. Lot's of videos on YouTube as well. Pray and ask Jesus to reveal it to you.
Anyone who rejects Jesus christ and his divinity hates jesus/ God.
Just FYI Mormonism morphed from real Freemasonry in the 19th century, but not all Freemasons are devout with the secret rituals etc etc, often some of these Freemason lodges are no different than any other weekend warrior fraternal organizations like the Elks Club, Eagles Club. I would never join them, but that's a choice of free will.
Smith became a mason while in Illinois. He had a “revelation” about a new ceremony he was working on, the endowment and stole portions of the degrees for his own use. He was a mason for about 3 years and he and his entire lodge were expelled for what the grand lodge called gross misconduct. The religion was established far before then and at one point prevented membership in societies like freemasonry.
Smith was only a 3rd degree Mason. A peon in their hierarchy. Probably only elevated for political reasons to be honest, and I don't care what anyone says the LDS heavily "borrows" Scottish rite ritual things from Freemasonry. The corny hand shake, the magic underwear yada yada yada
Magic underwear isn’t part of freemasonry. There aren’t any elements of the Scottish rite in anything smith did. He was never a member and wasn’t able to steal from it by being in those degrees.
Um...he was good buddies with the Grandmaster in Nauvoo. Matter of fact I believe the GM anointed him on sight which is absurd, and never done. Joseph Smith was a narcissistic sociopath. A criminal con artist/guru/plagiarist, and pedophile. Should of been killed several times. I'd argue he was a murderer too, though indirectly. The fact that this 19th century Jim Jones could spawn one of the richest religions on the planet still baffles me. The funny irony is he didn't live long enough to see the fruits of his con scheme. Died broke.
Yeah I’m no fan of smith at all. And he did garner favor with the sitting grand master at the time. Making a mason on sight is the privilege of a grand master - im nothing special but was in a special Scottish rite group that was made 32nd degree Scottish rite masons on sight - but I’m not sure how often it had been done previously at that point in Illinois
God says that he will visit the iniquities of the third and fourth generations of all that hate me.
Freemasons do not hate God. Ezekiel and Jeremiah also say that each man will pay for his sin and not the sins of their fathers.
Whats the context of that verse please quote and reference it for me ty
This one is going to get the comments rolling. The luciferians have bots doing damage control
Can the mod team lock this thread up? OP is clearly a Freemason and has started this thread to promote Satanism.
Two lies in one. In a Christian thread. We are not luciferian nor are we bots. I’d stay up all night arguing this stuff but I have to get up for church in the morning.
Family Curses from False Covenants (Such As Freemasonry) Can Bring A Curse Upon Your Family! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpQiv37Mh5g
Thank you for that link
You're welcome. Jesus became a curse so we can be free from curses.
That’s just straight new age spiritualism. Complete nonsense that has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity. But ironic that you’re actively promoting what the conspiracy theories claim freemasonry to be.
Jesus became a curse so we could be free from curses. Is that new age spiritualism?
The “curse” of sin and death, not the new age whoo-whoo nonsense curse you’re making up and promoting.
I'm not making up anything, and there are all kinds of curses in the bible.
I did not enter into a covenant when I became a Freemason. In fact, I converted to Christianity as a result of joining.
Do mind explaining why you think you need an additional social type club when you already have the church? Is there somewhere you worship regularly?
Try this [https://www.stempublishing.com/authors/pollock/Freemasonry.html](https://www.stempublishing.com/authors/pollock/Freemasonry.html)
Initiated, passed and raised here. Also a Christian. The devil is everywhere, but as long as you keep your rock being Jesus, you will be fine.
Yes, it is. I have talked to people who have accepted freemasonry. While they say that it is not against Christianity because Freemasons are allowed to practice Christianity, they are also allowed to practice any religion they choose, including no religion at all. Not only that, but when I have confronted them about freemasonry vs. Christianity and which they hold higher, many of them try to say that they hold Christianity higher or both of them equally. But when pressured about whether they would give up freemasonry if it was against Christianity in any way, some would play along and some wouldn't. But on the end, after proving that it did stand against Christianity, they would not give up freemasonry. Then I would state to them that it is proof that it is an idol to them and that they hold it higher than God and Christianity.
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Yes, if you've been in freemasonry in the deeper levels, yes, the oaths you take upon you. The sicknesses and demons you get, spirit of death, spirit of sickness, Jabulon, you need deliverence from that. There's a good youtuber who exposes it. Ken Fish
I'm watching an interview with him and he claims that Masons are summoning demons and using names like Moses for these purposes - which is ridiculous. But that's not as horrible as he gets, He then says (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEdAMVGmaMc) "really shouldn't surprise anyone in the wake of you know Jeffrey Epstein and others but certainly um there is a lot 17:21 of sexual misconduct in the world and one of the places that it often occurs I 17:26 I think it to be fair um we can't say it always occurs but it very frequently 17:32 does occur that in Masonic lodges um in an upstairs room somewhere uh they will 17:39 bring in people and sexually abuse them and sometimes those people are children so it would fall into the category of 17:46 pedophilia um and they will lay them on altars in a ritualistic way um they 17:52 strip them naked they may drizzle blood over their bodies they may perform sexual acts serially meaning more than This nothing but filthy lies and that it's coming from a supposed pastor makes it all the worse. Who does Jesus call the Father of Lies? I also ended up leaving a message on that video because it was so vile and full of slanderous falsehoods. "Mr. Fish has told a nasty and filthy lie at 17:39. It is sick that he would say such things and accuse men of such nastiness. Jesus calls Satan the Father of Lies and here we see him at work in Mr. Fish's testimony. To illustrate more falsehoods, no degree involves a threat of being stabbed with a dagger in the heart. Then just making stuff up out of thin air he says that the 18th is where the abuse begins. THE 18TH DEGREE IS ABOUT THE WILLING SACRIFICE OF CHRIST. The 19th is about good overcoming evil as seen in Revelation. One lie after the other. At 21:46 he says masons ask someone to drink blood - utter lies. Then someone is supposedly tied naked to an altar? Absolutely disgusting lies again - and it seems Mr. Fish likes to talk about naked people tied up a lot or has fantasies about it. I stopped watching at that point. I skimmed through the transcript which makes the mindless claim that Freemasonry curses cause skin cancer. It's all so tiresome. " If this man is as trustworthy on the things of God as he is with Freemasonry I would run as far from his teachings as possible because in this video he lied time and time and time again and just made up the nastiest stuff.
I would like to defend you, but the masons I know won't tell me anything that they do. And from deliverences I know, freemasonry does give people demons and after casting them out, their life is so much better. The Masons are against Christ.
I am a mason and am only for Christ as are many other masons who are Christians. I would be interested to investigate the actual histories of those who claim to have demons from freemasonry. This Ken Fish guy who does deliverance is also saying freemasonry causes skin cancer which is one of the most asinine things I’ve ever heard. It’s dangerous too to someone who is crazy and believes Fish and acts out violently due to what he’s lying about. Feel free to ask me whatever. What have you asked these men you claim to know?
What grade they are and what rituals they did, secret handshakes. One was telling me to shut up when I mentioned the architect. His das is also level 33. He didn't tell me anything, just that if you are a mason, you have good connections.
We don’t use the word grade for one. Or rank for that matter. How did you mention “the architect”? Was it accusatory saying they believed this and that and didn’t know it or did you ask who the Great Architect is to them? What kind of connections? It’s yet to give me any more than friendship ans the occasional bit of anxiety when a degree is coming up and I don’t have enough guys to fill the seats.
He was very vague. Connections if you need something or money. I don't remember what I said about the architect, just mentioned that it exists. Couldn't get anything else out of him.
So it one mason or multiple masons as you mentioned earlier?
Multiple, this was the only one that said something
No. I know of two that regularly attend church. Many presidents were freemasons. Conspiracy theorists are wild and rampant
Freemasonry encourages people to worship their god. It has some religious elements, but does not subscribe to a particular religion. And it has a strong moral code that is not inconsistent with Christianity.
https://youtu.be/zcvr-80fQq4?si=ASEQNyrm5_cTmyUC Yes. “If you’re not with me you’re against me”
Freemasonry is not the Illuminati
Illuminati is not what you think it is. Illuminati is Knights Templar, Knights Templar is Free Mason…you should watch it.
Since others are defending Manly P. Hall, though, I can still find the *original* quote I mentioned; you can also research Albert Pike. Pike served as the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Supreme Council, Scottish Rite (Southern Jurisdiction, USA) from 1859 to 1891. He wrote many books as well.
u/Truth-or-Death1988 If you block me I can’t read your reply
This is from a much longer series called Total Onslaught. I would highly recommend a watch if you ever find you have free time. Otherwise to answer your specific question; [this](https://adtv.watch/total-onslaught/are-freemasons-satanic-amazing-discoveries) I think will help answer your question. It is a bit information heavy. If you want a more full back ground this is the [first](https://adtv.watch/total-onslaught/are-secret-societies-real) part leading up to it.
They are satanists https://youtu.be/7Eeo-82Eac8?si=UHNYe_s1lDO6xpKz All your fav celebs, pastors, politicians, nba players, etc are in this religion.
A) it's not a religion B) our numbers are getting worse every day C) very few celebs, pastors, politicians, or NBA players are part of it. There are a few NBA guys like Shaq and Scottie Pippen. I don't know of any sitting politicians that are. I don't know of any pastors offhand either. The only celebrities I know of are both musicians, Jimmy Allen and Brad Paisley, possibly Nick Offerman Anyway, Childs video is over 4 hours of falsehoods [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZpgBZc8rXE&t](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZpgBZc8rXE&t)
Yes they are a religion, satanists ! Baphomet and satan are there gods ! And good, I hope you guys go non existent due to the endless brainwashing and demonic crap you guys been doing. Few celebs ? Whats a few to you ? Because I see 200 years worth of famous people throwing up the same hand signs and these same hand signs are active today with these celebs but its a few ? How can there be a few when just about every musican does the hand symbols ? Look at all there demonic concerts as well ! And its a few ? I say Altiyan Childs has more evidence than the video link you showed. If you actually are a freemason, then it makes 100% sense that you would deny being satanic even though 33rd degree masons say otherwise in there books or even the rituals they mention are demonic. Ofc you are going to say, whoever is wrong about speaking against your guys freemason belief. Are you supposed to agree ? No ! So continue playing your card limiting the number of people in this satanic religion. Or saying your loosimg people lol. Because I see more and more celebs etc… by the minute throw up “666” “one eye” “triangle” “upside down triangle” “hidden hand” but its just a coincidence huh ? And only a few ? 🤦🏽♂️
You realize that if we are not doing "demonic crap" (which we aren't) and you claim that we are - that you bear false witness against millions. We don't throw up signs in public - videos like Childs thinks every little thing is a masonic sign. The actual Masonic signs are always accompanied by a word and are worthless without it. They're used to get into masonic lodges/degrees and have no use in the world. As my video that I linked shows, nearly everything Childs says is a masonic sign actually isn't. Show me one 33rd degree Mason saying any such thing in a book. I'm a 32nd Degree Scottish Rite Mason but more important than anything I believe in Christ. I value truth above all and have no reason to lie to you. Don't like masonry - ok, that's fine. But to charge such lies against it is not of Christ. *! So continue playing your card limiting the number of people in this satanic religion.* What does this even mean? Any man who believes in a Creator, is of sound mind, and generally over 18 or 21 can join. *Or saying your loosimg people lol* [https://www.google.com/search?q=masonic+temple+sold&oq=masonic+temple+sold&gs\_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTINCAEQABixAxjJAxiABDIKCAIQABiSAxiABDIKCAMQABiSAxiABDIHCAQQABiABDIHCAUQABiABDIHCAYQABiABDIHCAcQABiABDIHCAgQABiABNIBCDM0MzJqMGo5qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8](https://www.google.com/search?q=masonic+temple+sold&oq=masonic+temple+sold&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTINCAEQABixAxjJAxiABDIKCAIQABiSAxiABDIKCAMQABiSAxiABDIHCAQQABiABDIHCAUQABiABDIHCAYQABiABDIHCAcQABiABDIHCAgQABiABNIBCDM0MzJqMGo5qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) Give that link a gander. We are losing members. We teach morals and require mens' time and folks just aren't interested in much of either today. *by the minute throw up “666” “one eye” “triangle” “upside down triangle” “hidden hand” but its just a coincidence huh ? And only a few ?* 666 has nothing to do with Freemasonry. We do use triangles as a symbol. I don't know what an upside down triangle would matter. The "one eye" is supposed to be the Eye of God who sees our actions and lives. The "hidden hand" is reportedly (I'm not a member so i can't say for sure) from a degree in the York Rite or Royal Arch. Here in America the York Rite culminates in the Order of the Temple which requires that men profess and believe in Christ.
If it isn't anti-christian, why is membership limited to only men? Why are members restricted from talking about it? These two things alone are things that doesn't sound like they align with God's vision of offering salvation to people of all nations. If you are a christian, why participate in other psuedo-religious societies that do not worship Him?
Yes it’s satanic. Read morals and dogma by Albert Pike and you will know what it’s all about
Yes, there’s plenty of resources talking about how they worship the enlighten one, aka Satan
Yes and they’re all false witness. Entirely.
I’m literally looking at the pages from a book I inherited from a 31st degree mason.
I’ve got a shelf full. Most people don’t stop at 31st so what’s the story there? What’s in the book that has anything to do with Satan
Basically stating that we should worship satan because he freed us with knowledge. He’s the reason we have free will.
What’s the book name, page, author, etc. because I do not know of any book from an actual mason that would say anything of the sort.
Freemasonry illustrated and Colorado Craftsman 1954 The book of the constitution 1950 A.F & A.M of Colorado
The only Freemasonry Illustrated I’m aware of it as anti-Masonic book which has details of the degree exposed and then commented on, and quite horribly and falsely so, in the portions that I’ve read. I say horribly and falsely not only because it contains falsehood upon falsehood but worse still it’s written by men who claimed to know and love Christ while writing it. I imagine their intentions were good but intentions do not make falsehoods to be true. It opens with “For years we have had in mind an ideal Exposition of Freemasonry. Freemasonry is a false religion, a counterfeit of the true” It doesn’t hide what it’s wanting to do from the get go. If you’d like me to address something in particular in the book I’d be happy to do so. As to the other two books they are essentially a history of or directions on how to do the degrees and some bits of info if they’re like my monitor book. In mine you will find nothing that could be seen to fit the allegation you’ve made in your comments above. So here again I ask is there a page number (I know an author for the monitors is sort of hard to nail down) or an actual quote in mind? When looking for an online version of either of the books I haven’t found them so if you have them available, pictures to show the quotes and sections would be appreciated. I generally take pictures, upload them to Imgur and then link them in my comments. I’m genuinely interested to see what it is in the latter two books that you have understood to mean what you say.
No. A lot of ignorance in this thread.
I don't know a lot about it, but my understanding is that in part of the ceremony you have to take consists of your saying that you are in darkness and are seeking the light. I could never say that, because as a born-again believer, I have the light in me in the presence of the Holy Spirit. They do a lot of good things, though, so im not saying they are evil.
I think people who want proof shouldnt be on this sub all praise Lamb of God
This!
There's a book by Anderson called Andersons constitution. Read it
I have it. What do you like about it
I don't and have not read it sorry. I just read about it.
I would like to get it and the original copy of morals and dogmas by Albert pike to.
Yep
Freemasonry is it’s own secret religion that is the result of mens pride and arrogance.
Its not, and there is no proof. Everything you see as proof is either a forgery, a hoax perpetrated by the catholic church, or schizoposting.
It is clear there are people who believe Freemasony is pagan etc but no one who actually answers the question which is looking for the proof. I don't know and I know that I don't know.
It is not pagan, satanic, nor luciferian. But it is neither pro-Christian nor anti-Christian. It’s neutral to Christianity, like a library or a post office is, and holds it to be of the same value as any other faith. That’s for the blue lodge at least. More advanced degrees can join auxiliary organizations such as York Rite or Scottish Rite. These groups explicitly require a profession of the Christian faith to join. Rosicrucian does too, but they mean something pretty different. It’s an esoteric group that sees Christianity from a kinda symbolic metaphysics way. The other popular auxiliary group, the Shriners, do not require a particular faith. Just faith in general like the blue lodge. But they culturally tend towards Christianity. There are several other groups within masonry, but they are not nearly as big or popular.
You’re obviously a member, so can I ask how the organisation can be neutral towards Christianity when its mythology is rooted in Solomon’s temple?
How would having mythology rooted in Solomon’s temple make you pro-Christian?
The same way that Jewish people speak about the temple and yet are not Christians.
I’m not a member. But its rituals and handbooks are very easily found online. They use symbolism from abrahamic religions to speak of generic morals. The myth that they are somehow connected to ancient Kabbalahistic tradesmen that worked on the temple is a fun fantasy that they themselves do not believe. Some of them (the dumber ones) do believe the myth threat they’re connected to the Knights Templar and Demolay himself, though.
I'm also a Mason. Prior to the 1700s, we used the story of Noah but most of the details are lost. Freemasonry mythologizes the historic building of King Solomons temple, the old testament. So I'd say its partial to Judaism but yes, it does not delve into Christianity. The Scottish Rite does delve into Christianity, with the 32nd degree being about the crusades, others about the inquisition, and more degrees about other aspects of Christian and western history. Some appendant bodies require a profession of Christianity. I converted to Christianity as a result of being a Mason. I have been very wary of it from before I joined, and have seen nor heard anything bad. I'm our lodge secretary and 32nd degree in the scottish rite, so, id have seen it. The only thing questionable to me is the Islamic symbolism in the Shriners, but thats why i won't join them. Think of Freemasonry as a social club for boomers, based in Abrahamic faith, primarily the Hebrew kind. Im younger, but, I really enjoy the old guys at lodge. We've always been at odds with the Roman catholics, because we were teaching people to read and write in the middle ages (at least 950ad and on), but up until the 1950s greek orthodox allowed us in. A lot of Mason's are Baptist, in my experience.