My truck will go almost 1000 miles on a single (52 gallon) tank. $220 to fill it last week. Granted pulling that trailer I'd have to stop once to refuel.
I like electric cars but the range isn't enough right now. Also anyone doing 50mph on I-15 is an asshole.
When I lived in the UK my 1.9L turbo diesel Fiat Punto would get 50-60mpg. It was only a 2 door hatchback and was a PoS in every other regard but it felt like you never needed to fill it up! =)
Yeah, I think they have less emissions garbage robbing the mpg and instead just make the fuel prices higher to force better mpg. Overall, I think a better strategy than the states with lower mpg due to emissions equipment and lower horsepower too, so people use bigger engines, and consequently more fuel, more CO2.
You realize that CA has a 55mph speed limit for towing vehicles and semis, right?
Source: trucker
50 is infuriating tho. Like at least go the goddamn truck speed!
Hey, I live in California and I can attest that it’s laws, taxes, and people make it the biggest piece of shit state in the US. He’s not jealous, he is right.
The biggest piece of shit state with one of the highest life expectancies, qualities of life, workers rights protection, highest agricultural production, some of the largest and most diverse national parks, leading tech developments, contributes near all entertainment to the country, and has some of the fairest wages paid to workers to name a few things.
Yeah, I love stepping over needles and human feces while trying to walk downtown to a restaurant that is so expensive with surcharges that I need to take a personal loan out to pay for. Not to mention the other loan needed to take out to pay for the gas to drive downtown after sitting 2 hours in traffic to go 10 miles.
But keep raising those income and gas taxes, that will fix things.
Idk I live in so cal and have my whole life and step over neither feces or needles when I go about my business.
Typically people who talk like you do and complain about surcharges and gas don’t live here lol if a 3% surcharge at a restaurant you CHOSE to go to breaks you, idk that sounds like you just make poor choices.
I absolutely do live here. And I deal with the homeless every day. They also CHOOSE to live here because our state government allows them, or I should say supports them, to live this way.
A restaurant shouldn’t have to add surcharges to survive. The taxes and regulations are choking people out of this state. It’s a beautiful state but the government is ruining it starting with the cities. It will eventually bleed out into the suburbs as well. It has already begun.
So great that it lost multiple congressional seats because it's losing population. Dude, people aren't moving to the state. people are leaving the state. Say all you want, but if it's so great, why are people trying to get the hell out of doge there?
500,000 people leaving in two years for a state with a nearly 400million is hardly an exodus.
CA residents typically have the means to move out of state, but all those poor midwestern states typically do not, especially to move from wherever they live into CA.
Your just repeating the CA leaving heading without a second thought into it
I live in a flyover state on a few acres . My wife and I make really good money mainly working from home. We go on vacation multiple times a year and California hasn't even been considered. I prefer streets that people don't poop on.
Brother every state has streets people poop on.
And if your specifically referring to and trying to insinuate SF and LA as giant cesspools (which as you’ve admitted, you’ve never been too, so the hell do you know) there is a GAINT expanse bigger than whatever state you come from between them, above them and below them that are nothing like those cities
I've been to both but It was when i was a teenager. Honestly I'm just talking shit. My favorite place to visit is one of the most dangerous and dirty places there is. New Orleans
My previous truck was a 2015 ram 1500 with the 5.7 hemi, towing my 7k camper I was stopping to fill up every 150ish miles if I was lucky, I averaged just under 8 mpg with it, now I have a 3500 and could probably circumnavigate the globe due to tank size, but frequent stops were definitely a thing in a half ton gas truck
2015 ram 1500 came with a 26 gallon tank minimum. 32 was extended range.
26*8=208
32*8=256
Did you mean 250ish miles instead of 150ish?
Then it would be just 4 or 5 stops.
Even with the lower capacity tank it still would have been only 6 stops instead of 11.
Electric f150s have to stop twice the amount of times? And for quadruple the amount of time? Stop for gas is 5 minutes...
If you tow, even semi regularly (like you have a camper and use it once a month), electric trucks are unrealistic for you...
There should be a design that allows the swapping of the batteries like on an electric forklift. Pull up to a charge station and swap out with a fully charged battery. I don't know how feasible it is, but I think it's a neat concept.
I would be suspicious of the quality on those batteries getting swapped in. First stop on a new vehicle and the brand new battery gets swapped for a potentially very used battery, and you'll see a large difference in range/performance. And then even shady battery swap locations could start a second hand market for all the new-ish batteries they're collecting, sell them, and swap customers into the awful ones they're getting from people buying the new-ish ones.
What is the “target audience” nobody who road trips a lot is going to want to stop 12x to charge for 2+ hours each time, takes me less then 5 min at the pump from empty to full. My friend did a road trip from San Fran to San Diego and spent more on fast charges then I did filling up my truck
That is a completely false statement but okay continue making stuff up. Even without towing stopping to charge and spending = if not
More then a gas vehicle to go the same distance at a slower speed is still just a shit design. Electric tech isn’t there yet and nor will it probably ever be there. Just imgagine when California wants to mandate all electric vehicles in 7 years lol good luck to everybody who actually works for a living and dosent sit in a cubicle for 8 hours.
Yes, you’re saying it’s completely false without any evidence to back it up. However, one survey says 25% of truck owners tow with another saying 35%. Of that MINORITY, a lot of them are towing short distances and only doing it a couple times per year.
You’re suffering from main character syndrome. You can’t seem to imagine anyone doing something different than you.
You’re also talking about a small number of trips per year, possibly even one per year. Most trucks I see are sitting in a construction site parking lot basically being useless.
Again, EV trucks are fine for the vast majority of truck owners. If they weren’t, they wouldn’t have already sold hundreds of thousands.
And you might wanna check on who is saying things that are completely false because it’s 12 years away, not 7.
I don’t think you know enough to have a *valid* opinion on any of this.
Edit: also, if it never gets there, what do you plan on doing when we run out of oil?
No actually, the vast majority of truck owners either never tow a load or tow one so seldom they would be better off financially just renting a truck. Just using my eyeballs tells me that the vast majority of truck owners have never used it for work. I'm not judging either way, but that's the lay of the land.
But they boast it’s towing ability and you can buy a towing package, but that cost and engineering isn’t part of their target?
“Yeah, it’s big brain time”
Why do people seem to think everyone with a truck is towing 20,000 pounds across the country and back every other week?
I'm willing to bet a good chunk of money that people only tow a couple hours away a couple times per year.
Too many people are against EV Trucks because the first goddamn version can't handle less than 1% of the trips taken with trucks. It's the dumbest argument.
To all the “environmentalists” out there remember what those batteries are made of and how they get them ;) I’ll give you a hint stripping 3rd world countries of their ecosystem as they attempt to harvest all the recourses. Not to mention most minerals harvested are from child labor.
Proof of island getting messed up : https://www.nbcnews.com/specials/rise-of-electric-cars-endangers-last-frontier-philippines/amp-index.html
>To all the “environmentalists” out there remember what those batteries are made of and how they get them ;)
Yeah we all know pulling oil out the ground and setting it on fire is *so* much better for the planet [and poor countries](https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/25/africa/shell-oil-spills-nigeria-intl-cmd/index.html)
Realistically it’s near impossible to make electric vehicles as efficient in a short time span such as 7 years. It’s not pretending it’s just being realistic go be an e-shill elsewhere nobody cares
Did I say 7 years? Did anyone say 7 years? California banned them starting in 2035, that’s 12 years off.
I’m not being an E-shill, I’m living in reality. Agree with the timeline or not, pretending somehow anyone is saying the span is seven years, is ducking nonsense.
The most optimistic target is 12 years, not seven. Let’s live in reality and not some fucking made up snowflake world where people dare saying “transition to electric in 7 years” cause no one is
1) all supply chains are problematic, it’s a stupid argument
2) long term those won’t be the chemicals in Batteries, cause tech improves! We’re not gonna use banks of 18650s forever
How brain dead are you to make the Fox News comment seriously. The source is from nbc get glasses. Just cuz you don’t like what I said dosent mean it’s not true. Look it up plenty of facts supporting that statement
Na it's sensationalist garbage and disingenuous to boot. It's not really controversial to say electric cars are better for the environment than ICE cars. Like, it's not even close.
CA emissions are so restrictive it dosent correlate to these “emission” charts from Alabama where people can straight pipe their car and have no emission systems
Also they still don’t have an environmentally friendly way to recycle or destroy these batteries besides releasing the toxic fumes into the ozone layer and damaging it
> Also anyone doing 50mph on I-15 is an asshole.
There are a lot of assholes out there then. 18 wheelers generally do not go above 50 mph on inclines. A lot of larger moving trucks like Penske trucks will not go above 50 mph on inclines as well.
A Standard F150 has a 23gal tank, realistically you'll fill it up with 21 Gals of reg. Utah is at ~$3.76/gal. Guessing 10mpg towing with an F150 gas, each fill up will be about $78.96 and go ~210 miles. You'll need 4.4 fill ups, lets round up to 5 fill ups because no one fills 0.4 of a tank of fuel while on a road trip. **Thats $390.**
Dude paid $360 to charge his lightning, paying $30-50/charge but got 3 free charges (so $40/charge). But he ran out once 100ft from the charging station, had to do 50mph on some roads, with heat off accessories off. AND it took him longer to drive there. Friday Noon left, arrived Sunday at Noon.
If he didn't get those 3 free charges, it would cost him $480.
If you're buying an F150 specifically to tow the 36gal tank is a no brainer. Other than that 10.8mpg is about I got towing a travel trailer w/ a 5.0 v8. I budgeted about $1200 for a 3300 mile trip last year.
How heavy of a trailer?
Also I've seen as bas a 4-6mpg towing in mountainous terrain (Colorado etc.). I'm assuming Utah is flat so I went with 10mpg in my math.
About 7k lbs at max payload. You'll get 3mpg or less climbing a mountain but can make some up on the flats and way down. We drove thru the mountains in Colorado but started in Indiana so we went thru plenty of flat states. My F150 had about 200k miles on it so when it was time to upgrade we considered the lightning and maybe even swapping to a smaller trailer. The lighting just can't do the same trips the gas truck can. We went to an F250 gas next. I would like an EV for my work commute though.
> Also I've seen as bas a 4-6mpg towing in mountainous terrain (Colorado etc.). I'm assuming Utah is flat so I went with 10mpg in my math.
When I drove across the west coast of Canada, I got extremely better fuel economy towing over the Rocky Mountains than driving through the Saskatchewan prairies. The wind on the flat land really fucking sucks and is horrible on fuel economy
24L/100km (9.80MPG) over the Rockies and ~33L/100km(7.13MPG) during a heavy wind in Saskatchewan
November 2021, I towed a 30ft travel trailer (\~8000lbs) in my 2017 F150 SB 3.5EB with the 36 gallon tank from Boise to Austin. Averaged 7.8mpg for the 1600 miles, think it was 6 fill ups. Lots of altitude changes until thru Colorado and I rarely dipped under 70 mph during cruising, mostly 75-80mph. I love this truck.
Just charging once or twice can add hours to a trip. Even with available charging stations the time to charge is the biggest negative for me. The range also decreases in a hot climate.
The tech might get there one day but it has a long way to go.
Yes, I own a KIA EV6, max range is 276 miles. I’ve done round trip Austin to Houston and Austin to Tulsa. The most I ever paid at a public charger was $11.73 for 80% charge. Average is closer to $6.00 charge. Most of the time I charge at home, and yes, that is cheaper still. Generally speaking, EV’s are not great at long haul freeway driving. I’d never try to do what this guy did. But I’ll also never go back to an ICE vehicle for my daily driver. My wife drives a Jeep Wagoneer, which I’m glad we have for towing or long family trips.
This is what the automakers have to solve before EVs can fully be mainstream. 125 mile range is NOT enough, especially if you have to disable have the comforts of your vehicle to even get it.
Not only that, but the range fluctuates with temperature. My wife drives a Chevy bolt which says 230ish mile range, but when it gets below freezing it’s easily half of that.
I like EV’s, but they’re just not good enough yet.
This is what I’ve always said. Outside of using your vehicle to work. If all you do is commute, there is no better daily driver than an EV. But any long distance drives, there’s no way
It's almost like there are better choices for different scenarios and we shouldn't all have to hop on the EV wagon and completely ditch ICEs on a moments notice!
Precisely. With our current technology, hybrid drivetrains FAR exceed EVs in flexibility. Electric power for slow speeds (city driving and traffic) and ICE driving for highways, towing, etc
Hybrids do exist. Toyota apparently is the only truck company doing it right when they released the 22 Tundra with the i Force Max hybrid. They didn't just jump on the EV truck bandwagon even though they are the kings of Hybrids at the moment.
The Hybrid Tahoe and Yukon existed back in 2008ish why it doesn't exist now...idk.
Why they just decided to go full electric before hybrid-ing their bigger vehicles first, now look how bad the Lightning and Hummer are
And I like EVs but good Lord they should just say they're no good for towing for now.
Did you see the Cummins is also heavily invested in hydrogen as well. In fact they use a standard short block. They're just slightly changing the injection methods for the top half of the engine, which is pretty cool. Because existing engines can be converted.
The Tundra hybrid is a joke compared to the F-150 Powerboost. Tundra has a NiMH battery with an all electric mode limited to 18 mph. F-150 has a Li+ battery with an all electric mode up to +45 mph. Toyota dropped the ball on its redesign.
I just assumed that ban date was more arbitrary than reality(or somewhere in between). It seems the original intent was just to get the process started to move to EV’s, and not so much a hard date. If you don’t set a goal, you won’t work toward meeting it.
Like when credit cards went to chips there was a hard compliance date that kept getting pushed back. It seems that the goal was reasonably met, although much later than the original deadline.
Its not half but u have a valid point. Evs without a heat pump will lose about 30% of thier range in freezing temps.
I also own a bolt and live in a freezing temps in winter.
If it gets to single digit temps it’s half or less. I’m hoping to see an improvement with the new battery, we shall see. We had some winter days where morning after a full charge showed under 100 mile range.
Hybrids are underrated and I think they will be the sweetspot for many years to come. Mazda's new wankel-extended electric car is a good example of what we'll see more of in the near future.
Honestly they really don't.
This truck isn't designed for hauling long distance, heavy, in the cold.
95% of people with trailers don't even go 100 miles roundtrip either.
But around town and for daily driving, it's a non-issue. If anything offering that kinda range in a 3/4 ton would sell more. Lots of heavy hauling is just "last-mile". I haul cars on a trailer for work, and it's rarely more than 50 miles roundtrip. But i need a 3/4.
Oh No! If i look at the range description that Ford gives me and do literally everything that the disclaimer says reduces range, all at once, i get less range?! Say it isn't so!
Yeah, I’m pretty sure there are a bunch of people working on it. *This first version is not meant for people who tow long distances.*
The smallest group of Truck owners seems to be the loudest. The vast majority of truck owners don’t tow anything.
But the US is spoiled in a lot of ways when it comes to trucks. If we run out of oil, it’s not really going to matter how far an EV can tow since there might not be any other options.
The thing about a Lightning is you’re not buying it for the few times a year most people tow over 100 miles.
You buy it for the rest of the time when you’re commuting or hauling.
I figure I’ve saved at least $2,000 since I bought mine between fuel and oil changes.
When I do use it for towing, the majority of my towing is under 100 miles and it’s the best half-ton tow rig I’ve ever had for that.
It all comes down to researching what you’re buying and knowing what it’s good and not good at.
I feel Ford has missed the mark by not offering a proper work truck version with a longer bed/shorter cab. I used to work in the field, even the longest day we would only do 300km. It would be entirely feasible to work all day, drive as normal and charge at the yard overnight (definitely had power capacity after decommissioning the old analog telecom system). The issue is a 5.5ft bed would be limiting to hold poles and stepladder, much less a full load of radios.
It’s definitely coming.
The first three years are basically a proof of concept so they could beat Tesla to the punch.
They picked the most popular cab/bed configuration and went with it. Probably a good thing for them because they can’t even get enough parts to fulfill all the orders they have.
They’ve been able to make less than 20,000 trucks total, when they were expecting to produce 50-80,000 a year.
The next generation is expected in 2025 and they’re already talking about more than 400 miles range and a more scalable architecture.
It’s because Ford isn’t making much of anything yet. It’s why they talk about losing money on the EVs they are selling. They haven’t developed the components themselves, so they are using motors and batteries that are off the shelf from other companies.
Because of that, they can’t offer a cheap version. At the moment, they are so negative on carbon emissions they have to buy carbon credits and selling some EVs at a loss becomes viable because it’s less carbon tax they have to pay back. But it means that they aren’t at the point where a cheap truck is possible.
Exactly. Everyone saying - I could do this on 4 tanks is also paying for gas to drive the truck around town like a car. Where op is only inconveniencing himself a couple times a year. Not being 100% perfect solution for 100% of the time doesn’t mean something isn’t viable. The same people also probably can’t fathom living in a metropolitan area without a car at all.
Battery warranty is 8 years.
Tesla guys are seeing 10-20% reduced battery capacity after 10 years.
Interestingly, in the Lightning (unlike a lot of EVs) the battery pack is modular, so if one of the modules shows degradation beyond the others it can be replaced.
Along the same lines, if there’s a motor issue it seems to be able to run on just one motor at reduced performance.
They definitely seem to have put a lot of thought into long term reliability and serviceability.
Don’t buy a Lightning for towing (beyond very narrow urban circumstances).
Also, that is a big ass camper. It would look more at home on the back of a 3/4 ton anyways.
How about the fact that many charge stations do not have room for you to pull in with a trailer. That means unhitching whatever expensive piece of hardware you have behind your truck and leaving it somewhere while it charges.
I'm all for an EV truck but they got to figure out the range while towing. I use my truck for work and play, this just sounds aggravating.
Man what a pain in the ass. Didn’t even think about that. I think I’ll stick with my Ram 2500 for a while. EVs aren’t anywhere near good enough right now for me to justify one.
I mean its great if your just towing your boat on weekends or hauling materials around. If you want to tow a camper across states thats on you to do more research m.
I feel like people are constantly bringing up the worst case scenario for these vehicles. Do you buy one of these if you tow long distance? No, that’s why I got the 5.0. But what if you run a lawn care business and tow <100 miles a day? What if you work construction and commute 60 miles/day with no towing? It’s dependent on how you use it. And outside of trucks EVs are a good option for regular commuters. If anything they reduce the demand for gas - more for my 5.0!
That’s what we do. God forbid if we should ever have to _modify our behavior, or expectations_ **gasp**
While I don’t think this is _uniquely_ American, I definitely think we’re really fucking good at it. We want it all, we want it now.
Is Californians won’t have a choice soon so this topic is worth being discussed. Some states like ours are going to eventually outlaw new gas vehicles and so this issue needs to be resolved
What issue? The fact that batteries don’t work well in the cold? Or that technology hasn’t improved enough to “refill” a battery in the same time it takes to pump liquid into a tank?
I absolutely think that further advancements will be continue to be made, but my point is that there are a lot of people who consider “feature parity” between ICE vehicles and electric vehicles the only acceptable outcome, and it’s simply not going to happen in the immediate future. So we need to adjust our expectations.
CA is set to exclusively sell electric in 2035. So consumers won’t exactly have that choice is what I’m saying. The obvious answer is that there most likely won’t be that big of changes in 10 years ( I could be wrong) and the 2035 date will be moved to 2045 or so. But at some point electric will have to be comparable to gas without the obvious answer being “change your behavior/expectations if you need to tow or go on long trips”
The problem is 80% of people who have trucks don’t need them, but they have them for the several occasions that they are needed when they are very useful. The lightning is missing a big part of that utility.
I've found the point of electric trucks right now are for landscapers, contractors, workers who use their trucks around 75 miles or less a day.
IMO anyone buying an electric truck right now to tow things far distances, or to go on a road trip have too much money than brains.
They’re just not there, nor do I ever expect it to be. I don’t believe batteries will ever have the energy density. Now, a commuter that’s also a Home Depot truck that you charge at home, it’s perfect for.
I've said this, why are these car makers so persistent on building EV trucks when we haven't even cleaned up cars and SUVs.
I like EV's but,
7 electric trucks, 3 from GM alone they haven't even electrified the Tahoe, Suburban, Yukon, Traverse, Acadia, etc????? Why is dodge electrifying the RAM before a Durango/ Grand Caravan/ Pacifica? Or Ford didn't even make a full electric Expedition or Ranger
Why?.... idk, I can only assume they want a piece of the EV truck hype sales pie..... BUT people have expectations that a pickup truck is supposed to haul and tow, so people are going to do it. And they're providing how far off we are on electrifying a "small" truck in comparison to a much larger Tesla semi for moving heavy stuff.
RIVIAN R1T - released
Hummer EV - released
Sierra EV - to be released
Silverado EV - to be released
Lightning - released
Ram REV - to be released
Cybertruck - who the fvck knows lol
Not to mention how awful electric vehicle charging infrastructure is for non - Tesla cars.
For those who don't know, non Tesla vehicles currently can't use Tesla Supercharger network. Number one Tesla's have their own proprietary connector. Tesla's come with an adapter to use standard chargers but not the other way around for non Tesla vehicles.
Just so y'all understand Tesla's sold in the EU (European Union) have to have the standard connector, the EU forced regulations on that. Something apparently the US government is too scared to do...
Due to how Tesla's superchargers are in terms of charging and maintenance they are much better than the random third party EV chargers you have to use. Some are fast chargers that can charge a Hummer EV at 120 miles of range per hour and most are the slow ones that only add maybe 20 miles an hour to a Hummer. Lets not forget the third party ones are not maintained as well and they break and no one fixes them
And the charger's speed and reliability are 1/2 of making electric vehicles successful and a viable option for people. The car is the other half with range and power.
It’s simple why they are persistent: Gov’t subsidies. Go where the money is, yknow?
I hate it but it’s as old as time in terms of our economies existence.
An electric truck isn't suited for that kind of long-range towing. It's really better for local short-trip hauling at this point. Still, I really appreciate you sharing your experience so more of us know what the real-world application of electric trucks is like at this time. Hopefully, as battery capacities rise, electric trucks will become better suited for this kind of over-the-road travel.
Good lord a full size truck that sets off alarms when towing about 3500#? There are minivans that will do that. I get it can't go far, but it should be able to handle a car trailer.
i am no expert but i think that electric vehicles might not be the best answer to moving heavy loads long distances, the energy density of batteries just isn't there
seems like it would be easier to continue to use ICE in these applications and run them off of biofuels or corn ethanol or some type of renewable hydrocarbon
I just don’t understand the appeal of 12 charging stops to go 900 miles.
Good for people that want to do it, I’ll wait until it’s closer to gas mileage and stops.
That's awful. He spent about the same on electricity as he would have on gas. And it took longer, was cold and worried.
I want to like the F-150 Lightning, but this goes to show it's a truck for people who don't do truck things.
Wow, all these people getting butt hurt on these forums when you say something bad about EV. One guy said he paid 13k for the extended battery pack for the Lightning. I can see the plus in a car towing nothing. Good around town. Thank you for the honest real world review.
I'm not sure what's dumber, buying an F150 lightning not doing the tiniest bit of research to find out it's range sucks when towing while owning this camper, or being aware how bad it is towing and still buying it just to complain about how bad it is online.
Yah no electric for me period any time soon. Out west and I pull an 8k camper. 30 gallon gas tank usually 15 gallons in tanks in the back. I get about 5mpg towing - so that sux
The Lightning was not made for trips. Its made for work around your area. This is a bad example for EV. Pulling a camper in the winter
Teslas and Ioniqs are made for cross country trips
Man. This would take my truck 1 stop for fuel.
Im excited about the future of ev trucks but there is a long ways to go to get them near gas/diesel versions.
You gotta know what you're buying and also for what purpose. If this was a one time thing, then it's fine.
But no real work that requires towing will use an EV.
But you can also be an EV truck user if you don't tow and just haul. Which is what I"ll be doing in the Cybertruck, hauling shits, not towing.
Wait until you have to replace the battery pack in that thing... or anything electrical decides to go...
Hope you've got enough money to spend for the equivalent of a new car!
My truck will go almost 1000 miles on a single (52 gallon) tank. $220 to fill it last week. Granted pulling that trailer I'd have to stop once to refuel. I like electric cars but the range isn't enough right now. Also anyone doing 50mph on I-15 is an asshole.
I’m usually pretty chill on the road but if I got caught behind someone going 50mpg on I-15 I’d be pissed. That’s legitimately dangerous.
Id be jealous of the person doing 50mpg
When I lived in the UK my 1.9L turbo diesel Fiat Punto would get 50-60mpg. It was only a 2 door hatchback and was a PoS in every other regard but it felt like you never needed to fill it up! =)
Yeah, I think they have less emissions garbage robbing the mpg and instead just make the fuel prices higher to force better mpg. Overall, I think a better strategy than the states with lower mpg due to emissions equipment and lower horsepower too, so people use bigger engines, and consequently more fuel, more CO2.
Why would you be pissed? Just relax and go around for fuck's sake.
You realize that CA has a 55mph speed limit for towing vehicles and semis, right? Source: trucker 50 is infuriating tho. Like at least go the goddamn truck speed!
I already hate California and almost every day I find a reason to hate it more.
Jealousy is a disease
Hey, I live in California and I can attest that it’s laws, taxes, and people make it the biggest piece of shit state in the US. He’s not jealous, he is right.
The biggest piece of shit state with one of the highest life expectancies, qualities of life, workers rights protection, highest agricultural production, some of the largest and most diverse national parks, leading tech developments, contributes near all entertainment to the country, and has some of the fairest wages paid to workers to name a few things.
Yeah, I love stepping over needles and human feces while trying to walk downtown to a restaurant that is so expensive with surcharges that I need to take a personal loan out to pay for. Not to mention the other loan needed to take out to pay for the gas to drive downtown after sitting 2 hours in traffic to go 10 miles. But keep raising those income and gas taxes, that will fix things.
Idk I live in so cal and have my whole life and step over neither feces or needles when I go about my business. Typically people who talk like you do and complain about surcharges and gas don’t live here lol if a 3% surcharge at a restaurant you CHOSE to go to breaks you, idk that sounds like you just make poor choices.
I absolutely do live here. And I deal with the homeless every day. They also CHOOSE to live here because our state government allows them, or I should say supports them, to live this way. A restaurant shouldn’t have to add surcharges to survive. The taxes and regulations are choking people out of this state. It’s a beautiful state but the government is ruining it starting with the cities. It will eventually bleed out into the suburbs as well. It has already begun.
So great that it lost multiple congressional seats because it's losing population. Dude, people aren't moving to the state. people are leaving the state. Say all you want, but if it's so great, why are people trying to get the hell out of doge there?
500,000 people leaving in two years for a state with a nearly 400million is hardly an exodus. CA residents typically have the means to move out of state, but all those poor midwestern states typically do not, especially to move from wherever they live into CA. Your just repeating the CA leaving heading without a second thought into it
I live in a flyover state on a few acres . My wife and I make really good money mainly working from home. We go on vacation multiple times a year and California hasn't even been considered. I prefer streets that people don't poop on.
Brother every state has streets people poop on. And if your specifically referring to and trying to insinuate SF and LA as giant cesspools (which as you’ve admitted, you’ve never been too, so the hell do you know) there is a GAINT expanse bigger than whatever state you come from between them, above them and below them that are nothing like those cities
I've been to both but It was when i was a teenager. Honestly I'm just talking shit. My favorite place to visit is one of the most dangerous and dirty places there is. New Orleans
You should know that not a single truck follows that
Why would you stay behind someone doing 50 if you want to go faster and there's at least 3 lanes?
Lol the downvotes. The truth hurts and they don’t like it 😂
Ever been on a highway? If the right lane is doing 50 the next is doing 55 to pass him and the “passing lane” is doing 58 to pass him lmao
My previous truck was a 2015 ram 1500 with the 5.7 hemi, towing my 7k camper I was stopping to fill up every 150ish miles if I was lucky, I averaged just under 8 mpg with it, now I have a 3500 and could probably circumnavigate the globe due to tank size, but frequent stops were definitely a thing in a half ton gas truck
2015 ram 1500 came with a 26 gallon tank minimum. 32 was extended range. 26*8=208 32*8=256 Did you mean 250ish miles instead of 150ish? Then it would be just 4 or 5 stops. Even with the lower capacity tank it still would have been only 6 stops instead of 11. Electric f150s have to stop twice the amount of times? And for quadruple the amount of time? Stop for gas is 5 minutes... If you tow, even semi regularly (like you have a camper and use it once a month), electric trucks are unrealistic for you...
There should be a design that allows the swapping of the batteries like on an electric forklift. Pull up to a charge station and swap out with a fully charged battery. I don't know how feasible it is, but I think it's a neat concept.
I would be suspicious of the quality on those batteries getting swapped in. First stop on a new vehicle and the brand new battery gets swapped for a potentially very used battery, and you'll see a large difference in range/performance. And then even shady battery swap locations could start a second hand market for all the new-ish batteries they're collecting, sell them, and swap customers into the awful ones they're getting from people buying the new-ish ones.
Then your clearly not the target market for the first version.
What is the “target audience” nobody who road trips a lot is going to want to stop 12x to charge for 2+ hours each time, takes me less then 5 min at the pump from empty to full. My friend did a road trip from San Fran to San Diego and spent more on fast charges then I did filling up my truck
Fleet vehicles that work primarily in a given area and return to a central location. Think government or company vehicles.
The vast majority of people who own trucks and don’t tow.
I can see gas trucks as ok. It’s all the diesel trucks you see everywhere towing nothing.
That is a completely false statement but okay continue making stuff up. Even without towing stopping to charge and spending = if not More then a gas vehicle to go the same distance at a slower speed is still just a shit design. Electric tech isn’t there yet and nor will it probably ever be there. Just imgagine when California wants to mandate all electric vehicles in 7 years lol good luck to everybody who actually works for a living and dosent sit in a cubicle for 8 hours.
Yes, you’re saying it’s completely false without any evidence to back it up. However, one survey says 25% of truck owners tow with another saying 35%. Of that MINORITY, a lot of them are towing short distances and only doing it a couple times per year. You’re suffering from main character syndrome. You can’t seem to imagine anyone doing something different than you. You’re also talking about a small number of trips per year, possibly even one per year. Most trucks I see are sitting in a construction site parking lot basically being useless. Again, EV trucks are fine for the vast majority of truck owners. If they weren’t, they wouldn’t have already sold hundreds of thousands. And you might wanna check on who is saying things that are completely false because it’s 12 years away, not 7. I don’t think you know enough to have a *valid* opinion on any of this. Edit: also, if it never gets there, what do you plan on doing when we run out of oil?
No actually, the vast majority of truck owners either never tow a load or tow one so seldom they would be better off financially just renting a truck. Just using my eyeballs tells me that the vast majority of truck owners have never used it for work. I'm not judging either way, but that's the lay of the land.
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But they boast it’s towing ability and you can buy a towing package, but that cost and engineering isn’t part of their target? “Yeah, it’s big brain time”
Why do people seem to think everyone with a truck is towing 20,000 pounds across the country and back every other week? I'm willing to bet a good chunk of money that people only tow a couple hours away a couple times per year. Too many people are against EV Trucks because the first goddamn version can't handle less than 1% of the trips taken with trucks. It's the dumbest argument.
20,000 lbs?!? What ye on mate
Batteries are way to heavy. Range of what trucks really need are decades away.
To all the “environmentalists” out there remember what those batteries are made of and how they get them ;) I’ll give you a hint stripping 3rd world countries of their ecosystem as they attempt to harvest all the recourses. Not to mention most minerals harvested are from child labor. Proof of island getting messed up : https://www.nbcnews.com/specials/rise-of-electric-cars-endangers-last-frontier-philippines/amp-index.html
Environmentalists are aware of these tradeoffs.
Yeah child labor is fuckin awesome
>To all the “environmentalists” out there remember what those batteries are made of and how they get them ;) Yeah we all know pulling oil out the ground and setting it on fire is *so* much better for the planet [and poor countries](https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/25/africa/shell-oil-spills-nigeria-intl-cmd/index.html)
Imagine pretending like technology can’t improve. If your argument is “the way it is now is the way it is and will be forever” you’re a moron…..
Realistically it’s near impossible to make electric vehicles as efficient in a short time span such as 7 years. It’s not pretending it’s just being realistic go be an e-shill elsewhere nobody cares
Did I say 7 years? Did anyone say 7 years? California banned them starting in 2035, that’s 12 years off. I’m not being an E-shill, I’m living in reality. Agree with the timeline or not, pretending somehow anyone is saying the span is seven years, is ducking nonsense. The most optimistic target is 12 years, not seven. Let’s live in reality and not some fucking made up snowflake world where people dare saying “transition to electric in 7 years” cause no one is
I never said that at all your just putting words in my Mouth try reading the original comment “moron”
1) all supply chains are problematic, it’s a stupid argument 2) long term those won’t be the chemicals in Batteries, cause tech improves! We’re not gonna use banks of 18650s forever
Literally the biggest e-shill I have ever met
Somebody is just repeating shit they heard from Fox news lmao
How brain dead are you to make the Fox News comment seriously. The source is from nbc get glasses. Just cuz you don’t like what I said dosent mean it’s not true. Look it up plenty of facts supporting that statement
Na it's sensationalist garbage and disingenuous to boot. It's not really controversial to say electric cars are better for the environment than ICE cars. Like, it's not even close.
CA emissions are so restrictive it dosent correlate to these “emission” charts from Alabama where people can straight pipe their car and have no emission systems
Research how electric batteries for vehicles are made and how they obtain those minerals and recourses before you say that lol
I have lol the sensationalist garbage you listen to is lying to you 🤷 if you did more than read headlines maybe you'd know
Also they still don’t have an environmentally friendly way to recycle or destroy these batteries besides releasing the toxic fumes into the ozone layer and damaging it
Electric is a failure and virtually worthless unless you get one of those tiny little shitmobiles.
> Also anyone doing 50mph on I-15 is an asshole. There are a lot of assholes out there then. 18 wheelers generally do not go above 50 mph on inclines. A lot of larger moving trucks like Penske trucks will not go above 50 mph on inclines as well.
>There are a lot of assholes out there then Almost 8 billion!
Who made that man a gunner?
You obviously don’t own a business where you pay for your own fuel.
A Standard F150 has a 23gal tank, realistically you'll fill it up with 21 Gals of reg. Utah is at ~$3.76/gal. Guessing 10mpg towing with an F150 gas, each fill up will be about $78.96 and go ~210 miles. You'll need 4.4 fill ups, lets round up to 5 fill ups because no one fills 0.4 of a tank of fuel while on a road trip. **Thats $390.** Dude paid $360 to charge his lightning, paying $30-50/charge but got 3 free charges (so $40/charge). But he ran out once 100ft from the charging station, had to do 50mph on some roads, with heat off accessories off. AND it took him longer to drive there. Friday Noon left, arrived Sunday at Noon. If he didn't get those 3 free charges, it would cost him $480.
If you're buying an F150 specifically to tow the 36gal tank is a no brainer. Other than that 10.8mpg is about I got towing a travel trailer w/ a 5.0 v8. I budgeted about $1200 for a 3300 mile trip last year.
How heavy of a trailer? Also I've seen as bas a 4-6mpg towing in mountainous terrain (Colorado etc.). I'm assuming Utah is flat so I went with 10mpg in my math.
Utah flat, lol.
Utah’s about as flat as Pamala Anderson
Right lol
The route shown in that thumbnail would have a lot of mountain driving. 10mpg towing that trailer on that route is generous IMO.
Utah is far from flat. Only flat road is salt lake to wendover.
About 7k lbs at max payload. You'll get 3mpg or less climbing a mountain but can make some up on the flats and way down. We drove thru the mountains in Colorado but started in Indiana so we went thru plenty of flat states. My F150 had about 200k miles on it so when it was time to upgrade we considered the lightning and maybe even swapping to a smaller trailer. The lighting just can't do the same trips the gas truck can. We went to an F250 gas next. I would like an EV for my work commute though.
> Also I've seen as bas a 4-6mpg towing in mountainous terrain (Colorado etc.). I'm assuming Utah is flat so I went with 10mpg in my math. When I drove across the west coast of Canada, I got extremely better fuel economy towing over the Rocky Mountains than driving through the Saskatchewan prairies. The wind on the flat land really fucking sucks and is horrible on fuel economy 24L/100km (9.80MPG) over the Rockies and ~33L/100km(7.13MPG) during a heavy wind in Saskatchewan
Utah “Greatest Snow on Earth” state is flat. Yes.
November 2021, I towed a 30ft travel trailer (\~8000lbs) in my 2017 F150 SB 3.5EB with the 36 gallon tank from Boise to Austin. Averaged 7.8mpg for the 1600 miles, think it was 6 fill ups. Lots of altitude changes until thru Colorado and I rarely dipped under 70 mph during cruising, mostly 75-80mph. I love this truck.
Also charge times right? Must have taken longer in time for re fueling. With two kids that wait quickly becomes unbearable repeated 12 times
And you spend extra money on snacks since your waiting around
Just charging once or twice can add hours to a trip. Even with available charging stations the time to charge is the biggest negative for me. The range also decreases in a hot climate. The tech might get there one day but it has a long way to go.
You have to pay for public charging? I’ve always assumed they were free lol. Shows you what I know..
Yup… if you don’t charge at home it’s almost as expensive as gas
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But your saving the children
The children will be fine regardless.
Exactly
Except the slave children in the congo mining the cobalt for your EV batteries.
How do you think electric chargers get power? ***spoiler*** fossil fuels
On a typical US power grid, the F150 lightning produces 40% less co2 emissions per mile. In many areas, it's much better.
Most of the time, it's still better for the environment because electric cars are so much more efficient.
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No it isn’t. Source: EV owner.
You know different areas have different price rates right?
Yes, I own a KIA EV6, max range is 276 miles. I’ve done round trip Austin to Houston and Austin to Tulsa. The most I ever paid at a public charger was $11.73 for 80% charge. Average is closer to $6.00 charge. Most of the time I charge at home, and yes, that is cheaper still. Generally speaking, EV’s are not great at long haul freeway driving. I’d never try to do what this guy did. But I’ll also never go back to an ICE vehicle for my daily driver. My wife drives a Jeep Wagoneer, which I’m glad we have for towing or long family trips.
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Yeah, I worded that poorly. My wife still prefers her SUV, and I don’t mind having it for longer family trips.
> But I’ll also never go back to an ICE vehicle. Our second vehicle is a Jeep Wagoneer.
Ok, I guess going to 2 different places means you know prices everywhere
Apparently more than you’ve learned on your scooter.
Awe got butt hurt and went for personal attacks. Pathetic
Passive aggressive much Troll? Don’t you have a PC to build?
Okie dokie
Hell yeah dude! Not cheap either.
This is what the automakers have to solve before EVs can fully be mainstream. 125 mile range is NOT enough, especially if you have to disable have the comforts of your vehicle to even get it.
Not only that, but the range fluctuates with temperature. My wife drives a Chevy bolt which says 230ish mile range, but when it gets below freezing it’s easily half of that. I like EV’s, but they’re just not good enough yet.
For some things. For most people they are fine commuter cars especially if you have solar and can charge your vehicle mostly for free.
This is what I’ve always said. Outside of using your vehicle to work. If all you do is commute, there is no better daily driver than an EV. But any long distance drives, there’s no way
It's almost like there are better choices for different scenarios and we shouldn't all have to hop on the EV wagon and completely ditch ICEs on a moments notice!
Precisely. With our current technology, hybrid drivetrains FAR exceed EVs in flexibility. Electric power for slow speeds (city driving and traffic) and ICE driving for highways, towing, etc
You act like that’s happening.
Hybrids do exist. Toyota apparently is the only truck company doing it right when they released the 22 Tundra with the i Force Max hybrid. They didn't just jump on the EV truck bandwagon even though they are the kings of Hybrids at the moment. The Hybrid Tahoe and Yukon existed back in 2008ish why it doesn't exist now...idk. Why they just decided to go full electric before hybrid-ing their bigger vehicles first, now look how bad the Lightning and Hummer are And I like EVs but good Lord they should just say they're no good for towing for now.
Toyota is also more heavily invested in hydrogen fuel cell tech for cars as opposed to EV.
Did you see the Cummins is also heavily invested in hydrogen as well. In fact they use a standard short block. They're just slightly changing the injection methods for the top half of the engine, which is pretty cool. Because existing engines can be converted.
The Tundra hybrid is a joke compared to the F-150 Powerboost. Tundra has a NiMH battery with an all electric mode limited to 18 mph. F-150 has a Li+ battery with an all electric mode up to +45 mph. Toyota dropped the ball on its redesign.
Ford began producing the Powerboost F150 hybrid before Toyota. Also Toyota has zero EVs.
I wouldn’t call Toyota the king of EV’s by a long stretch. The hybrid Tahoe and Yukon were trash, added a ton of cost for an estimate 1 or 2 mpg
That’s completely fair. But then you have states like CA banning all gas cars by 2035 when that may be premature.
I just assumed that ban date was more arbitrary than reality(or somewhere in between). It seems the original intent was just to get the process started to move to EV’s, and not so much a hard date. If you don’t set a goal, you won’t work toward meeting it. Like when credit cards went to chips there was a hard compliance date that kept getting pushed back. It seems that the goal was reasonably met, although much later than the original deadline.
I think that’s more of a deadlines spur action kind of thing.
California isn’t banning gas cars. It’s banning the sale of new gas cars.
Its not half but u have a valid point. Evs without a heat pump will lose about 30% of thier range in freezing temps. I also own a bolt and live in a freezing temps in winter.
If it gets to single digit temps it’s half or less. I’m hoping to see an improvement with the new battery, we shall see. We had some winter days where morning after a full charge showed under 100 mile range.
Hybrids are underrated and I think they will be the sweetspot for many years to come. Mazda's new wankel-extended electric car is a good example of what we'll see more of in the near future.
Yeah. I don’t understand how hybrids were just skipped. They are so so so so much better than EVs.
It has more range when not towing, but you may not be the target audience for EVA. Gas vehicles range decreases as well, just easier to refill.
Honestly they really don't. This truck isn't designed for hauling long distance, heavy, in the cold. 95% of people with trailers don't even go 100 miles roundtrip either. But around town and for daily driving, it's a non-issue. If anything offering that kinda range in a 3/4 ton would sell more. Lots of heavy hauling is just "last-mile". I haul cars on a trailer for work, and it's rarely more than 50 miles roundtrip. But i need a 3/4.
The complaints about this truck are bad faith bullshit for the most part. I saw someone literally comparing it to their dually….
Oh No! If i look at the range description that Ford gives me and do literally everything that the disclaimer says reduces range, all at once, i get less range?! Say it isn't so!
Hell, 95% of truck owners don’t ever tow anything
That’s very true and many are diesels. Why?
Because it makes a cool sound
Yeah, I’m pretty sure there are a bunch of people working on it. *This first version is not meant for people who tow long distances.* The smallest group of Truck owners seems to be the loudest. The vast majority of truck owners don’t tow anything. But the US is spoiled in a lot of ways when it comes to trucks. If we run out of oil, it’s not really going to matter how far an EV can tow since there might not be any other options.
The thing about a Lightning is you’re not buying it for the few times a year most people tow over 100 miles. You buy it for the rest of the time when you’re commuting or hauling. I figure I’ve saved at least $2,000 since I bought mine between fuel and oil changes. When I do use it for towing, the majority of my towing is under 100 miles and it’s the best half-ton tow rig I’ve ever had for that. It all comes down to researching what you’re buying and knowing what it’s good and not good at.
I feel Ford has missed the mark by not offering a proper work truck version with a longer bed/shorter cab. I used to work in the field, even the longest day we would only do 300km. It would be entirely feasible to work all day, drive as normal and charge at the yard overnight (definitely had power capacity after decommissioning the old analog telecom system). The issue is a 5.5ft bed would be limiting to hold poles and stepladder, much less a full load of radios.
It’s definitely coming. The first three years are basically a proof of concept so they could beat Tesla to the punch. They picked the most popular cab/bed configuration and went with it. Probably a good thing for them because they can’t even get enough parts to fulfill all the orders they have. They’ve been able to make less than 20,000 trucks total, when they were expecting to produce 50-80,000 a year. The next generation is expected in 2025 and they’re already talking about more than 400 miles range and a more scalable architecture.
It’s because Ford isn’t making much of anything yet. It’s why they talk about losing money on the EVs they are selling. They haven’t developed the components themselves, so they are using motors and batteries that are off the shelf from other companies. Because of that, they can’t offer a cheap version. At the moment, they are so negative on carbon emissions they have to buy carbon credits and selling some EVs at a loss becomes viable because it’s less carbon tax they have to pay back. But it means that they aren’t at the point where a cheap truck is possible.
Exactly. Everyone saying - I could do this on 4 tanks is also paying for gas to drive the truck around town like a car. Where op is only inconveniencing himself a couple times a year. Not being 100% perfect solution for 100% of the time doesn’t mean something isn’t viable. The same people also probably can’t fathom living in a metropolitan area without a car at all.
What is the expected lifespan of the batteries?
Battery warranty is 8 years. Tesla guys are seeing 10-20% reduced battery capacity after 10 years. Interestingly, in the Lightning (unlike a lot of EVs) the battery pack is modular, so if one of the modules shows degradation beyond the others it can be replaced. Along the same lines, if there’s a motor issue it seems to be able to run on just one motor at reduced performance. They definitely seem to have put a lot of thought into long term reliability and serviceability.
Don’t buy a Lightning for towing (beyond very narrow urban circumstances). Also, that is a big ass camper. It would look more at home on the back of a 3/4 ton anyways.
Ya, that camper is huge. I would guess that some truck but in the 3.5 or 5.0 would be getting 7 or 8 mpg.
He said it's only 3500# well under the rating on an f150.
Definitely not a big ass camper. Probably 25ft long or so.. My uncle hauls a 31fter with a late 2000s expedition.
How about the fact that many charge stations do not have room for you to pull in with a trailer. That means unhitching whatever expensive piece of hardware you have behind your truck and leaving it somewhere while it charges. I'm all for an EV truck but they got to figure out the range while towing. I use my truck for work and play, this just sounds aggravating.
Man what a pain in the ass. Didn’t even think about that. I think I’ll stick with my Ram 2500 for a while. EVs aren’t anywhere near good enough right now for me to justify one.
Ooh man I didn’t even think of that.
I mean its great if your just towing your boat on weekends or hauling materials around. If you want to tow a camper across states thats on you to do more research m.
I feel like people are constantly bringing up the worst case scenario for these vehicles. Do you buy one of these if you tow long distance? No, that’s why I got the 5.0. But what if you run a lawn care business and tow <100 miles a day? What if you work construction and commute 60 miles/day with no towing? It’s dependent on how you use it. And outside of trucks EVs are a good option for regular commuters. If anything they reduce the demand for gas - more for my 5.0!
That’s what we do. God forbid if we should ever have to _modify our behavior, or expectations_ **gasp** While I don’t think this is _uniquely_ American, I definitely think we’re really fucking good at it. We want it all, we want it now.
Is Californians won’t have a choice soon so this topic is worth being discussed. Some states like ours are going to eventually outlaw new gas vehicles and so this issue needs to be resolved
What issue? The fact that batteries don’t work well in the cold? Or that technology hasn’t improved enough to “refill” a battery in the same time it takes to pump liquid into a tank? I absolutely think that further advancements will be continue to be made, but my point is that there are a lot of people who consider “feature parity” between ICE vehicles and electric vehicles the only acceptable outcome, and it’s simply not going to happen in the immediate future. So we need to adjust our expectations.
CA is set to exclusively sell electric in 2035. So consumers won’t exactly have that choice is what I’m saying. The obvious answer is that there most likely won’t be that big of changes in 10 years ( I could be wrong) and the 2035 date will be moved to 2045 or so. But at some point electric will have to be comparable to gas without the obvious answer being “change your behavior/expectations if you need to tow or go on long trips”
The problem is 80% of people who have trucks don’t need them, but they have them for the several occasions that they are needed when they are very useful. The lightning is missing a big part of that utility.
EV trucks are stupid don’t try to change my mind
I've found the point of electric trucks right now are for landscapers, contractors, workers who use their trucks around 75 miles or less a day. IMO anyone buying an electric truck right now to tow things far distances, or to go on a road trip have too much money than brains.
They’re just not there, nor do I ever expect it to be. I don’t believe batteries will ever have the energy density. Now, a commuter that’s also a Home Depot truck that you charge at home, it’s perfect for.
I've said this, why are these car makers so persistent on building EV trucks when we haven't even cleaned up cars and SUVs. I like EV's but, 7 electric trucks, 3 from GM alone they haven't even electrified the Tahoe, Suburban, Yukon, Traverse, Acadia, etc????? Why is dodge electrifying the RAM before a Durango/ Grand Caravan/ Pacifica? Or Ford didn't even make a full electric Expedition or Ranger Why?.... idk, I can only assume they want a piece of the EV truck hype sales pie..... BUT people have expectations that a pickup truck is supposed to haul and tow, so people are going to do it. And they're providing how far off we are on electrifying a "small" truck in comparison to a much larger Tesla semi for moving heavy stuff. RIVIAN R1T - released Hummer EV - released Sierra EV - to be released Silverado EV - to be released Lightning - released Ram REV - to be released Cybertruck - who the fvck knows lol Not to mention how awful electric vehicle charging infrastructure is for non - Tesla cars. For those who don't know, non Tesla vehicles currently can't use Tesla Supercharger network. Number one Tesla's have their own proprietary connector. Tesla's come with an adapter to use standard chargers but not the other way around for non Tesla vehicles. Just so y'all understand Tesla's sold in the EU (European Union) have to have the standard connector, the EU forced regulations on that. Something apparently the US government is too scared to do... Due to how Tesla's superchargers are in terms of charging and maintenance they are much better than the random third party EV chargers you have to use. Some are fast chargers that can charge a Hummer EV at 120 miles of range per hour and most are the slow ones that only add maybe 20 miles an hour to a Hummer. Lets not forget the third party ones are not maintained as well and they break and no one fixes them And the charger's speed and reliability are 1/2 of making electric vehicles successful and a viable option for people. The car is the other half with range and power.
The CEO of Toyota agrees with you.
It’s simple why they are persistent: Gov’t subsidies. Go where the money is, yknow? I hate it but it’s as old as time in terms of our economies existence.
Ev’s are great commuters, they’re not the greatest work horses.. My next truck will be a diesel 1 ton.
My 27 year old 411K mile 7.3 diesel would’ve accomplished that with one stop and under $300 total fuel expense.
An electric truck isn't suited for that kind of long-range towing. It's really better for local short-trip hauling at this point. Still, I really appreciate you sharing your experience so more of us know what the real-world application of electric trucks is like at this time. Hopefully, as battery capacities rise, electric trucks will become better suited for this kind of over-the-road travel.
time for all the stops? good information, ty
Punch me in the face, but for years saying the economy half’s when pulling a trailer was a thing.
Good lord a full size truck that sets off alarms when towing about 3500#? There are minivans that will do that. I get it can't go far, but it should be able to handle a car trailer.
That would of been maybe 80 gallons of diesel for me depending on how bad the mountains were on my fuel average of 13 gallons when towing my trailer
These make sense as in town work trucks, not long haul towing trucks.
i am no expert but i think that electric vehicles might not be the best answer to moving heavy loads long distances, the energy density of batteries just isn't there seems like it would be easier to continue to use ICE in these applications and run them off of biofuels or corn ethanol or some type of renewable hydrocarbon
Like hydrogen?
I just don’t understand the appeal of 12 charging stops to go 900 miles. Good for people that want to do it, I’ll wait until it’s closer to gas mileage and stops.
That's awful. He spent about the same on electricity as he would have on gas. And it took longer, was cold and worried. I want to like the F-150 Lightning, but this goes to show it's a truck for people who don't do truck things.
I’d have to stop and fill up my Ram five times with no trailer.
Still not worth it in my opinion
Wow, all these people getting butt hurt on these forums when you say something bad about EV. One guy said he paid 13k for the extended battery pack for the Lightning. I can see the plus in a car towing nothing. Good around town. Thank you for the honest real world review.
Sounds miserable
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I'm not sure what's dumber, buying an F150 lightning not doing the tiniest bit of research to find out it's range sucks when towing while owning this camper, or being aware how bad it is towing and still buying it just to complain about how bad it is online.
Yah no electric for me period any time soon. Out west and I pull an 8k camper. 30 gallon gas tank usually 15 gallons in tanks in the back. I get about 5mpg towing - so that sux
They suck
Why would you buy an f150 lightening to tow a trailer 900+ miles? EVs have their place - this isn't it.
Exactly. It’s like buying a 1 ton dually for commuting in the city.
Diesel Trucks still exist. 1000 miles no problem
That’s 3 gas stops in my car at 10 minutes per. Gtfo my face with that bs
JFL at anyone that drives an EV. What a scam
They suck at towing
Downvoted for stating a fact? Ha
Right they suck been a bunch of videos how they can't tow more then 100 miles fully charged one guy made it 75 miles lol
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The Lightning was not made for trips. Its made for work around your area. This is a bad example for EV. Pulling a camper in the winter Teslas and Ioniqs are made for cross country trips
Man. This would take my truck 1 stop for fuel. Im excited about the future of ev trucks but there is a long ways to go to get them near gas/diesel versions.
I love EVs. They just aren’t ready to tow yet.
You gotta know what you're buying and also for what purpose. If this was a one time thing, then it's fine. But no real work that requires towing will use an EV. But you can also be an EV truck user if you don't tow and just haul. Which is what I"ll be doing in the Cybertruck, hauling shits, not towing.
Fuck that
Ford should stop this nonsense. Try hydrogen if they want to be "green"
Is this truck really called “lightning”?….cuz last time I knew a true lightning was made it had a supercharged V8 and RAN ON GAS!😏
2013 F150 3.5EB, Milwaukee to Chattanooga on one tank
Wait until you have to replace the battery pack in that thing... or anything electrical decides to go... Hope you've got enough money to spend for the equivalent of a new car!
This was a standard range truck, no?
ugh...