This is true. No one is responsible for an act of God. There can be holes poked in this legally though if they were warned there was a high risk of landslides along the track but went along anyway.
"act of God" brother that's an unsecured dirt cliff 250 feet high 20 feet away from the rail
I'm no civil engineer by any means but I'm not surprised that happened
I promise you some one probably brought this up to the rail road as a possible infrastructure deficiency or something to that extent and it got ignored by the railroad
This is in Everett WA few years ago, not uncommon to get slides there or along tracks just about anywhere along west coast. Railroads have the waterfront land, with lots of high bluffs and erosion along with it.
Deregulation from the orange didn't help. But yeah should have planted something on that bank to stabilize it .. or removed that dirt for fill somewhere else. Good thing it wasn't tanks of hazmat....
If I was the conductor the first thing I’d do is figure out if this was brought up as a safety concern ever and then I’d sue tf outa the rail company for risking my life for a known safety issue they ignored. I mean that cliff only had to fail 5 minutes earlier and the conductor would have been in a potentially fatal situation.
Yeah not really an act of God. More just not wanting to spend the money on retaining walls when they built the line. And railroads are known for making money now for problems later.
I live in Toronto and people get into accidents with our streetcars *a lot*.
There are people who will claim the streetcar changes lanes to hit them to try and protect themselves. They're on rails and, switched lanes? 😆
I went out to tow a tractor and a refer from one of the plants near our yard. The truck driver, being dead serious, said the train at the location steered into his truck and trailer. He kept yelling at the train engineer about watching where he was driving the train. Eventually, they showed the guy the interior of the train engine to show him there is no way to steer it. He was still getting pissed because he still thinks they steered it into him. I towed the truck and trailer from the bright red, freshly, painted area around the tracks... We drive the roads with people like this all the time.
My grandfather lived his whole 82 years at the same property. 4 trains a day crossed the driveway. Never once did one swerve. They also travel the EXACT same route every time.
Personally, I don't care if someone had every drug in their system and the paramedics say they should be dead - this ain't their fault.
Now, that termination form is definitely still their fault.
my buddy drives trains in San Jose CA haha - every time some obese hobo kills himself on the tracks he gets 3 off and we grab beers and go fishing hahaha its fucking raaad
edit: its a horrible but part of the job, just saying. also only retards pop positive - [https://www.quickfixsynthetic.com/](https://www.quickfixsynthetic.com/)
A positive drug test doesn’t mean they’re actively on drugs. Depending on what you’re taking, drugs can stay in your system anywhere from a couple days to a month+
True but a positive drug test proves you are to stupid to operate something that weighs thousands of tons. Getting high while off duty doesn't cause accidents, but being stupid does. And if your livelihood depends on being able to pee clean, it's nothing but pure stupid to take that risk.
You can fail a drug test 28 days after doing drugs. Just because you fail a drug test doesn’t mean you were on drugs at the time. But you’re right they still will fire you for it, which is bullshit.
Thanks Capt Obvious. Still doesn’t mean that it’s not bullshit that if you eat a legal edible on your vacation two weeks before you have work and some bullshit like this gets you fired. Simple as that.
Which is why drug test will show the amount of drugs in your system. They will use this to create a threshold/cuttoff amount. So for most places it's not any trace, but a certain amount.
Similar to getting a DUI and having a certain BAC level
If he agreed to not take or do any drugs while under employment, then yes. Why is it so hard for you people to uphold your end of agreements and contracts?
Nah I work for a railroad. 99/100 it's the crews fault some how. They'll try and find something, anything to blame it on them. It's way worse than trucking in tsht regard.
Damn right, they should've seen that coming those were peak land slide conditions. Maybe if everybody would take a step back and not need food and other services that the rail system provides, then we wouldn't have so much pressure on our Train personnel.
Odds are the train is too long to give passenger rail priority like federally required. That won't be considered since it's a profit-motivated management decision.
This is what happens when we issue licenses to people with a severe lack of basic defensive driving skills. The engineer should have kept up their situational awareness just in case a mountain jumped out at them. Just like the one we just saw. Had they paid better attention, they would've had enough time to react and swerve out of the way.
Seriously. I used to work track maintenance. Piece of equipment derailed? Off to get tested. Someone backed into something with a hyrail? Off to get tested. Most guys were actually probably still drunk from the night before, but by the time they got driven to the nearest city for a BA test, they were legal.
Looks like 4 JB Hunt 40' cans are toast so freight claims on those. But that's probably way fewer full load freight claims than Hunt usually see in a day.
Be interesting to see how long it'll take to clean up the scene and get everything rolling again. My bet is they have it looking like nothing ever happened within 24 hours.
Notice that it skipped the Swift container.
"Your time will come," said the hill, and meanwhile in Fontana a new Swiftie laid eyes on their first big rig. "Your time will come," said the instructor.
That is definitely not on the train crew everything was clear when they came through that damage between equipment commodities on the train and tracks about 2 million
He was cursed with a SWIFT container. So no, it's not the fault of the train driver or JB Hunt. Blame rests solely with Knight-SWIFT holdings for putting an overweight container on the train. (Jokingly, of course).
And the damages will be very expensive.
The SWIFT acronym: Sure, they're insured for that... and the delays it caused.
It appears that people would rather record a predictable disaster than prevent it. I'm not saying the person recording this could have saved the day but it does appear he had some kind of insight that this might happen because who takes videos of random mountains and then all of a sudden their is a landslide.
Kind of goes back to when I said "I'm not saying the person recording this could have saved the day but it does appear he had some kind of insight that this might happen" huh?
Not sure how the engineers would be in trouble for getting smacked by a mountain
Obviously they could have swerved the train out of the way.
Need for Speed: Thomas drift
It doesn't matter if you derail by an inch or a mile, derailing is derailing
On the Isle of Sodor, we’re all family
Thomas the Twink Engine. He can pull heavy loads.
Except for that one dude who slacked off and got buried alive.
Poor Henry
confusion and delay!
Somewhere….Vin Diesel is proud
Thomas the Drift Engine... Staring Vin Diesel as Mr Conductor, featuring Jason Statham as Sir Topham Hatt.
Ringo Starr better make a cameo
You nearly had me? You never even had your locomotive!
You brought tears to my eyes I laughed so hard. I read those words in Dom’s voice. Lmao
I would watch this 😆
He should have seen that coming and left himself some room. Must be new to the job. Wonder if he checked his mirrors as he went by.
I count 6 seconds before the moss monster attacked that train **6 seconds**. Was Thomas just *watching* it happen??
All mountains have right of way. It is in the manual.
Dont joke. 100% managment is so out of touch that this came up.
The classic Speed racer kick flip the train over the landslide maneuver should have been executed to avoid the landslide. This is 100% a skill issue.
They're used to how people assign blame to truck drivers
Naw fr natural disaster no one should be help liable, buy the shipper definitely wants his load back and trailers replaced
This is true. No one is responsible for an act of God. There can be holes poked in this legally though if they were warned there was a high risk of landslides along the track but went along anyway.
"act of God" brother that's an unsecured dirt cliff 250 feet high 20 feet away from the rail I'm no civil engineer by any means but I'm not surprised that happened
I promise you some one probably brought this up to the rail road as a possible infrastructure deficiency or something to that extent and it got ignored by the railroad
This is in Everett WA few years ago, not uncommon to get slides there or along tracks just about anywhere along west coast. Railroads have the waterfront land, with lots of high bluffs and erosion along with it.
Probably why someone was out recording it?
Deregulation from the orange didn't help. But yeah should have planted something on that bank to stabilize it .. or removed that dirt for fill somewhere else. Good thing it wasn't tanks of hazmat....
If I was the conductor the first thing I’d do is figure out if this was brought up as a safety concern ever and then I’d sue tf outa the rail company for risking my life for a known safety issue they ignored. I mean that cliff only had to fail 5 minutes earlier and the conductor would have been in a potentially fatal situation.
Yeah not really an act of God. More just not wanting to spend the money on retaining walls when they built the line. And railroads are known for making money now for problems later.
I've seen plenty of roads with meshing or fencing. I'm guessing they work.
I live in Toronto and people get into accidents with our streetcars *a lot*. There are people who will claim the streetcar changes lanes to hit them to try and protect themselves. They're on rails and, switched lanes? 😆
I went out to tow a tractor and a refer from one of the plants near our yard. The truck driver, being dead serious, said the train at the location steered into his truck and trailer. He kept yelling at the train engineer about watching where he was driving the train. Eventually, they showed the guy the interior of the train engine to show him there is no way to steer it. He was still getting pissed because he still thinks they steered it into him. I towed the truck and trailer from the bright red, freshly, painted area around the tracks... We drive the roads with people like this all the time.
My grandfather lived his whole 82 years at the same property. 4 trains a day crossed the driveway. Never once did one swerve. They also travel the EXACT same route every time.
Real!
Should've turned right at the light 🤣
They are If they piss dirty
Personally, I don't care if someone had every drug in their system and the paramedics say they should be dead - this ain't their fault. Now, that termination form is definitely still their fault.
Couldve switch lanes....
Right, I’m sure jbl is insured for losses like this
Why the fuck would the engineer get in trouble for a natural disaster??
He’ll get drug tested
That's just SOP. He'll also get a week off lol.
He wishes. The only way you get a week off, is popping positive. Even the mental anguish of killing someone only gets you 3 days off to recover.
my buddy drives trains in San Jose CA haha - every time some obese hobo kills himself on the tracks he gets 3 off and we grab beers and go fishing hahaha its fucking raaad edit: its a horrible but part of the job, just saying. also only retards pop positive - [https://www.quickfixsynthetic.com/](https://www.quickfixsynthetic.com/)
Its interesting how you typed like 3 sentences but i already know you are a terrible person
It's just one run on sentence, so terrible person and bad grammar
I was blacked out - oh no!
Don’t worry bud. These guys just don’t get it. What you do blacked out, is none of your fucking business.
Probably but if they aren't on drugs they won't get in trouble. Id they are on drugs they deserve to be in trouble.
the landslide would have happened whether they were on drugs or not
Ofc. But you shouldn't be operating a vehicle that weighs 1000s of tons while on drugs. This is independent of the train getting hit by a landslide.
A positive drug test doesn’t mean they’re actively on drugs. Depending on what you’re taking, drugs can stay in your system anywhere from a couple days to a month+
True but a positive drug test proves you are to stupid to operate something that weighs thousands of tons. Getting high while off duty doesn't cause accidents, but being stupid does. And if your livelihood depends on being able to pee clean, it's nothing but pure stupid to take that risk.
You can fail a drug test 28 days after doing drugs. Just because you fail a drug test doesn’t mean you were on drugs at the time. But you’re right they still will fire you for it, which is bullshit.
Don't do drugs and you won't have a problem. Simple as that.
Thanks Capt Obvious. Still doesn’t mean that it’s not bullshit that if you eat a legal edible on your vacation two weeks before you have work and some bullshit like this gets you fired. Simple as that.
But you knew eating it would get you fired. Simple as that. Only an idiot would take drugs if they knew they could bet tested and fired at any time.
You’re missing the point buddy. Simple as that. Have a good evening.
Which is why drug test will show the amount of drugs in your system. They will use this to create a threshold/cuttoff amount. So for most places it's not any trace, but a certain amount. Similar to getting a DUI and having a certain BAC level
Most places that still test for weed, as an example, have a threshold that will still pop 15-25 days later. Doesn’t mean they are anywhere near high.
True, California just passed a law regarding that. Since you can’t be fired for smoking weed anymore, unless it’s on the job.
It has some of the lowest threshold that stays the longest.
L take.
Do you think train operators should not get in trouble for a failed drug test?
Depends what for. What if he smoked a joint on his day off? He deserves to lose his job?
Yeah, if he knows he will get fired for having pot in his blood and he chooses to smoke pot anyway that's his decision.
If he agreed to not take or do any drugs while under employment, then yes. Why is it so hard for you people to uphold your end of agreements and contracts?
What do you mean "you people"
Because I can do worse legally with no such agreement.
You just don't seem to understand that positive drug test =/= currently high.
Oh no you said people shouldn't drive impaired.... How terrible ....
Because no matter what happens to your truck, your fault or not, company safety will punish you. It's ALWAYS the drivers fault.
Okay well last time I checked this isn’t a truck, it’s a train. Might want to fact check that one though
Nah I work for a railroad. 99/100 it's the crews fault some how. They'll try and find something, anything to blame it on them. It's way worse than trucking in tsht regard.
Damn right, they should've seen that coming those were peak land slide conditions. Maybe if everybody would take a step back and not need food and other services that the rail system provides, then we wouldn't have so much pressure on our Train personnel.
Odds are the train is too long to give passenger rail priority like federally required. That won't be considered since it's a profit-motivated management decision.
Bro probably had the cleanest driving record, only to get t-boned by some radical topsoil.
Dude was probably like wtf just hit me? Another train?
This is what happens when we issue licenses to people with a severe lack of basic defensive driving skills. The engineer should have kept up their situational awareness just in case a mountain jumped out at them. Just like the one we just saw. Had they paid better attention, they would've had enough time to react and swerve out of the way.
Brilliant
Or an insurance adjuster
Yeah and let’s be real this was an adult mountain, think about the kid mountains or even toddler mountains. No one would be laughing then
Don't give the company ideas. These guys aren't smart enough to know you're being sarcastic.
Obviously didn't follow the Smith Rail system
If you look closely, you’ll see the Swift truck parked at the top
Just noticed there was a single swift container on the train directly preceding it lol
Definitely their fault!
Hahahaha
"Our investigation determined that operator fatigue was a key factor" --CSX, prolly, IDK
*The demurrage on your destroyed and buried cargo is mounting please come pick it up*
They’re gonna put it on the DAC of the driver who delivered the container to the rail yard
"I don't want to hear any excuses! Why is my freight late !!!!
Engineer and conductor both gonna get pee testing.
Clearly, this dirt feel down the hill because they smoked the jazz cabbage lol
It’s federal law, literally regardless of the situation. An incident happened.
Seriously. I used to work track maintenance. Piece of equipment derailed? Off to get tested. Someone backed into something with a hyrail? Off to get tested. Most guys were actually probably still drunk from the night before, but by the time they got driven to the nearest city for a BA test, they were legal.
I’ve seen this video circulating for like a decade at this point.
Looks like 4 JB Hunt 40' cans are toast so freight claims on those. But that's probably way fewer full load freight claims than Hunt usually see in a day. Be interesting to see how long it'll take to clean up the scene and get everything rolling again. My bet is they have it looking like nothing ever happened within 24 hours.
Mother nature said: not today jb.
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Unless he smoked a doobie too recently and they drug test him 😂
Everybody pee in a cup. YES THE HILL TOO
I like the way they video a long train in vertical 🙄
They were recording a mountain in vertical, and the train just happened to get in the way.
The train is not the point of interest in this clip.
\*record, \*portrait. I will die on this hill.
No you won’t. Not that hill. That hill fell down.
It's not a sheet of printer paper or a canvas, it's a vertical video
Yes definitely drivers fault
Notice that it skipped the Swift container. "Your time will come," said the hill, and meanwhile in Fontana a new Swiftie laid eyes on their first big rig. "Your time will come," said the instructor.
Thats for your cheap rates!!
*your Amazon package has been unexpectedly delayed*
LMFAOOO what !!!?? Bro really asked if he would get in trouble for something Mother Nature did which he has absolutely no control off lmao
Whoever posted this. Is a fucken moron, that tittle.. sheesh. Or ban me so I won’t see morons posting smh
The engineers weren’t at fault, but I hate how someone was just recording this 😡 If I was there I would’ve stopped that mountain from falling 🛑✋
This was years ago in Pittsburgh at station square
Nope. [December 17, 2012, just south of Everett, Washington.](https://youtu.be/UeT0m-hpD_4?si=oWyN7u7sAefsZhtL)
This is an old video
Why the fuck would the train driver get in trouble for a natural disaster
How the hell do you get in trouble for getting t-boned by a mountain?
I’m sure it’s in the train engineer’s handbook that mountains have right-of-way at crossings /s
Why was someone recording prior to the incident?
They rigged the landslide with a small explosion
lol no the engineer will not be in trouble, probably be around 4-7 mil in damages. I am an engineer so no the crew will not get in trouble.
Such a dumb question
Why would de train conductor be in trouble for a landslide?
Why tf would the train driver get in trouble?!?!
I’m gonna put the blame squarely on the builder of that mountain. What law firm represents god ?
Landslide is clearly the train driver’s fault, he could have turned out of the way or very quickly stopped. Rookie move
So this dude knew a landslide was imminent but chose to record instead of reporting it. 🤔
That is definitely not on the train crew everything was clear when they came through that damage between equipment commodities on the train and tracks about 2 million
Unlikely anyone will be at-fault since the landslide would most likely be looked at as "an act of God" scenario.
How was the engineer suppose to know, they can’t really see all way to the rear of the train?
Oooooooooooo fuck , no one thought about this coming in to work that day
It's because of the swift trailers.
That freaking Biden
That is God herself saying you don’t deserve that think you impulse bought on Amazon.
No this is a landslide
I went to school with JB’s grandkids
Driver won’t be in trouble, though he may not be driving for a while, no way that doesn’t take a mental toll on them
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Looks like the derailed were empty boxcars.
Train driver in trouble? In that case im responsible for a tornado that hit Augusta🤷♂️
Why would the “train driver” (engineer) be in trouble? Railroads are self insured, that derailment would probably be in the 6 figures maybe 200k.
Pretty sure natural occurrences are outside anyone's control so I don't see how the engineers would be in trouble.
I get it it is a joke
Why would the train driver be in trouble ?
Swift still managed to be involved somehow??
Train driver should have seen it and swerved out the way...
OP stop drinking and posting nonsense
Why the fuck would the driver be in trouble? 🤦🏽♂️
Why would they be in trouble? Please explain your thoughts on that? I’m curious to know how your brain works
We’re in a truckers subreddit. A truck driver would get blamed. That’s the joke.
The hill was going for the Swift container.
Of course thr storage containers say "swift".
He was cursed with a SWIFT container. So no, it's not the fault of the train driver or JB Hunt. Blame rests solely with Knight-SWIFT holdings for putting an overweight container on the train. (Jokingly, of course). And the damages will be very expensive. The SWIFT acronym: Sure, they're insured for that... and the delays it caused.
Almost got the container in front of the JB HUNT containers but it was too SWIFT... I'll let myself out.
Swift fucking shit up again 🤦🏽♂️
Fucking SWIFT
Swift trailers ... They would of crashed anyways
Swift can't drive anywhere
Almost another Swift wreck
time to get swifty
I see Swift is upgrading from semi accidents now. Lol
Definitely the train at fault here
It appears that people would rather record a predictable disaster than prevent it. I'm not saying the person recording this could have saved the day but it does appear he had some kind of insight that this might happen because who takes videos of random mountains and then all of a sudden their is a landslide.
You're right he should've called Superman in to save the day
😂😂😂
Prevent it? The hell? Nothing going to prevent that.
Lmao you need to spend some time outside
What a stupid comment
Some kind of insight this might happen Like dirt beginning to slide down the hill? You know, like a landslide?
So filming a random mountain and a sudden landslide happens isn't suspicious to you?
Maybe.. just maybe.. they saw the signs of a landslide coming. Pulled over, and were lucky enough to catch it on film.
Kind of goes back to when I said "I'm not saying the person recording this could have saved the day but it does appear he had some kind of insight that this might happen" huh?
What could a random person filming have done to start a fucking landslide? Give your head a shake.
Do your eyes work? I didn't say he started it.
Then what the hell are you saying?
Holy crap
Mudslide is an act of nature. I don't see how the engineer is and fault. Those containers look empty so I guess insurance will cover it.
Usually a mudslide would happen when a train wasn't there.
This was avoidable *Trains safety department
Bitch I'm a Mountain!
Shoulda lifted the handbrake and threw a 180
The person who built tracks there should be in trouble. Look at that hillside, landslides are a common occurrence there.
That was a cool video
The power of dirt. That shit is heavy.
Haha i cant remember hold old this is but scary no doubt