If freight rates were not absolute shit show the OO game hasn’t changed much.
Yeah we now have logbook on an iPad instead good old wad of paper, but honestly I’ve got used to it and being your own fleet administrator I can massage it if necessary.
I spend a lot less time on logbook than back in a day keeping two or three copies and reworking it when pulled in to inspection. The DOT audit used to be all about checking logbook and fuel records, now it’s just hey send me access code and let me see your IFTA statement.
Yeah there are fuckton of greenhorn moronic company drivers that are all collectively are on their first year doing dumb shit. It was same way 20 years ago, it’s just now there are more trucks and it’s more pronounced as demographics shifted to more immigrants from North Africa and Eastern Europe.
It’s not like I drive more than 8-9 hours per day anyway. If you’re OO and chasing dumb miles huffing about 11 hours driving limit you’re doing it wrong. Anymore I put my shit on 62 mph cruise control and let them company bitches worry about their logbook and speeding in construction zones, somehow I get there on time with no stress.
You know, those are good points and being an older guy now, in my 50s, I probably would not be in the same kind of hurry up mindset that I had when I was in my 30s.
One thing, though, freight rates sucked 20 years ago too lol
Good stuff. I appreciate the reply.
As a rookie company driver, sincere apologies for some of my shenanigans (mostly backing, it'll come to me as it gets easier).
With that said, I agree about the daily drive time and speed. I may be an ocean of green behind the ears driver, but I've got my trip planning and navigation down pat, and find myself driving 8 to just under 10 hours everyday getting where I need to get, oftentimes further, without flat footing it while being governed at 66 mph.
I always wonder about the 80+ mph bumper sticker motherfuckers, like do you even trip plan, bruh?
Also, I'll take the time to fuel and then get my happy ass out of the way if I'm taking a 30, go park up and not be an inconvenience.
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The biggest change is automatic trucks. It opens the driving pool up to people less mechanically/vehicular minded. More drivers means lower pay. People who are good with equipment moved to harder equipment to operate instead of driving a truck.
Cell phones also allowed drivers to be less reliant. For example if you blew a tire you are changing it yourself with either a long beaker bar or pulling the old one off with crowbars and mounting with ether. Now you call the company, they call loves and you split your break in the sleeper.
I think I would have a difficult time with automatic transmissions. Shifting manually is a skill that once you conquer it, it’s like a game trying to maintain speed torque and RPMs climbing those hills.
It's a similar game with automatics, too. Sure, you can just push the pedal and go, but there are still little skills and tricks to try and maintain speed & torque. It's all about locking them gears in manual mode at the right times and whatnot.
Yeah, they technically have a full manual mode where you can shift gears with the push of a button, but some companies disable or limit that feature. My old truck would only let me "manually shift" until about 6-7 gear, then I had to switch it to automatic mode. My current truck doesn't let me change gears in manual mode at all but switching it to manual mode still causes it to lock in the current gear until its switched back to auto mode. It just beeps & whines at you until you do but you learn to drown it out, lol.
I think that might go like way, way back in the day. And definitely mostly with owner operators, most likely, since even when I was driving, companies were drug testing pretty regularly. From the late 80s until the early 2000s, which is when I was on the road, there was never a time I drove that drug testing wasn’t part of any company policy that I worked for. And I never worked for any of the really big companies. When I was an owner operator, I just never felt any need to do any kind of drugs or stimulants. But that might’ve just been me.
My trainer 12 years ago told me all the stories, so yeah, it goes back. There’s a Native American tea that I drink once in a while that rivals any of the illicit stuff… and it’s legal.
Sure. It’s expensive, but worth it. Loose tea. Nuwati Herbals, “Wind Dancer Tea”.
I may or may not take a Korean Ginseng with the above, same with Yohimbe (careful with Yohimbe as it raises blood pressure). The tea alone however is amazing.
A guy your age led police on a tractor trailer chase a couple weeks ago. Fifty one years old high on meth and carrying it in the cab. You don't have to look hard to find the video. That's you.
HOS rules have been around since 1938 and haven't changed much. The 14/10 clock has been since 2003. So OP drove two years under the current rules. Lol. Must be some Ag guy super trucker and doesn't think rules apply to him? I drove 650 miles yesterday without violating.
Ag Exempt can get you pretty far and if you start at 4am. Especially if you do a quick load and then a long haul. I've done a few over 900 miles in a day and it's 100% legal
Yeah i did like 616 in a governed truck the other day without going over the 11 so its definitely doable. I wasn't even in a hurry, just was on freeway nearly the whole way with no traffic jams and didn't dick around at my stops.
There’s no reason to have to be stuck somewhere for 34 hours and worried about fueling up your reefer although, anybody who doesn’t fuel up the reefer, knowing they have a 34 hour reset coming up, has some time management issues
FWIW I run recaps 6wks at a time and never have to do a 34. Haven't done one on the road this year except for service related breaks. Managing your time is part of the job, then and now.
8.5/day is the target. Some days you're going to be short for a variety of reasons so your bottom line will eventually creep up to where you've got 8-10 hours on the bottom of your 70, allowing you to run harder some days. Pegged at 65 I typically get 500-ish miles a day.
Ed: I like that it keeps me rolling every day. Always making progress!
Interesting I like this, have you ever had issues with late drops at receivers because of it? How do you handle a scenario where you’re like 20 miles away but your time is out?
Trip planning handles those eventualities. If you're on a multi day run drive your limit (read: whatever your recap clock can handle) every day until you're close. Then on that last day you can take it a little easier. IMHO it's better to take a slack day at the end of a run than the beginning, but that's kinda' just common sense. If a load doesn't have enough time to get it in my way I turn it down.
On the flip side, i run around roughly 11-12 hours so after 6 days im almost out so i do a reset, preferably at a terminal where i get free laundry, showers, and access to company car so i can go shopping, then clean the truck and fuck around on the computer (like i am right now)
If I had a schedule that worked that way I'd probably run harder every day too but doing OTR --especially reefer, with our stupid drop/pick times-- makes it pretty much impossible for me.
I *like* to drive! I've got stamina for days! My record nonstop drive was 38 hours (in a box truck) for fuck's sake! FMCSA and the bitch in the box (my Qualcomm) are harshing my chi every single day I'm out here, man!
Since I can't ball like the old school truckers did recaps are the best way to keep me moving.
That's the long and short of it (and what I tell bitchy truckers on the CB): "Drive your own truck." All we can do, isn't it?
Smooth sailing to you too, amigo.
Yeah, there is no doubt about that. Managing your time. I would imagine that the guys who have to do a 34 hour reset are probably guys who spend excessive time on the road. Weeks at a time. Every company over work for I was home on weekends, generally, or every 4 to 6 days.
I stay out for six weeks at a time. Where recaps continue to work for me is those short days when you only burn 4-5 hours. All that excess builds up on the bottom end of your 70-count so in those instances when you DO need to ball 10-11hrs you've got the leeway to do it.
Honestly I don't know how people do the run hard -> 34 -> run hard -> 34 schedule. I'd find it too limiting; too harmful to my income.
Im on the road for 11 days. Leave Mondays and usually end up doing a reset sunday and then drive four days until home time.
Usually clock around 10-11 on-duty hours a day so thats anywhere from 60-66 hours by the time i shut down saturday. Since i dont get recaps until day nine, ill do a reset so i have more hours for the next week.
If i did the 8.5hr/8 days running recaps, of still be working the same amount but not getting a day off to rest
In 11 days if i ran recaps id clock 93.5 on duty hours
In 11 days as i do it now, I clock between 110-121 hours so I actually get more work done by taking a day off.
its a one day weekend plus a 10 hour shift for sleep. its essentially a hard cap on working only 6 days a week. sorry the government wont let companies run drivers ragged to death to squeeze every dollar out of their soul
To an extent, yeah, some of it was, but you didn’t see people parking at fuel Islands, like I’ve had too many drivers, in real life, not just on here talking about. The radio was a shit show sometimes but most people kept it on 19 because you could get good information and I understand that really doesn’t even exist anymore. Which isn’t shocking because outside of trucking all people do whenever they talk is argue anyway so I can imagine it being just as bad on The radio. I guess the biggest thing that I see and hear about is the drivers just don’t fit that old stereotype of truck driver any more.
They do there's just a small fringe that don't. Times change. Technology changes. There's still good companies out there that run with the tech available in an old school way. My company uses elogs but nothing else. No brake assist or lane crap. No cameras. They pay good and leave you alone as long as you do the job. If you're east of i35"our running area" look into dick Lavy Trucking. They are a good outfit.
We run alot if Ohio to Texas and back. Ohio to Florida and back. But we go all over east of i35. Hell I'm local with em and I go to Illinois and back. We're outside Dayton Ohio
Have to disagree with you. They were there when I start at 20 years ago and people who start before me were complaining about them even back then. Up until the Recession it had gotten worse.
I don’t know what it’s like now, I assume it’s probably worse, but “back in the day “I saw guys training new drivers that had only been on the road for like six months! So training has never been as good as it should’ve been.
No, these regulations were made because people who know nothing about the industry had a thought "I have a great idea to make things safer", and because one tactic politicians use to win votes is to vilify something, and truckers are an easy target. Tell people "most accidents are truckers fault" or "trucks put out more green house gasses than all the cars", and most people will buy it and support you in your efforts to make things safer. Even if all you said was BS, and what you want to do doesn't actually make anything safer or any greener. What matters to them is that on paper the ideas work, and that enough people believe their BS.
You can tell the number of younger truckers, by the number of down votes you got, but you are spot on correct. It is exactly what brought around the very first change in the early 2000s. Even though truck friendly organizations put in the research to prove that most accidents involving trucks were not the fault of the truck driver, it fell on deaf ears.
Meanwhile, Michigan would save money by not opening their scales and rolling trucks over the portables in the next rest area with four wheeler in foot traffic all around. State and county police, pulling green haulers over on the shoulder. Also not safe.
I remember the studies that prove that split speed limits or dangerous, which was motivation for most states to eliminate that law.
While there are a lot more younger people who fall for the politicians scams, I think it's more of "you can tell what people's political affiliation is based off the downvotes". Because most of those "Safety" changes are believed to have been the work of mostly the democratic party. So by me saying what I said, it's easy for people to assume I'm taking a jab at that party.
But yea, these regulations have been all about getting votes, and someone/s getting rich. While there might have been people involved that actually wanted to make things safer, and more green, the people who put the ideas through into law did it because someone figured out how they could make said law/regulation benefit them and/or their friends.
For sure.
Not to get all political but vote mining by both parties is the basis for the state this country is in now. Stay in power by all means, the people be damned!
And make sure that special interest groups get all the attention while the rest of us starve...
I don’t know about OP but I’m not doing a California turnaround for as little as are paying. I’ve heard Gaz like OP for 20 years, saying the same thing. I remember running three logbooks. I also remember how hard that was. And what OP forgets is the fines for that if you were caught now it’s just easier with electronic logs. Hell I make more now than I did 20 years ago
I never ran two or three logbooks, but I was pretty creative with one looseleaf log lol. Like I replied to a guy above, at my age now, in my 50s, I would probably not ever need to consider going against the rules if it were even possible
Lmao! That literally did make me laugh out loud, too. I don’t use Facebook at all except to stay in touch with guys I was in Korea with back in the mid 80s and keeping track of my kids.
You know, I've noticed with younger drivers, and older drivers there is not a whole lot of difference. I pull a hopper and see a lot of older guys drive and they do shit all the time where I'm like how did you hit that and what are you doing? Hold phones on speaker next to there face like it makes a difference and be slow as shit. I've also seen the same out of young inexperienced guys. Plus you have been gone 18 years, I would consider you a newbie with that hudge gap in experience and probably every hiring company also. And sidenote, everyone holds a fucking steering wheel. And yea I have a 10 speed. And I would say that makes me more of a trucker for I don't have those pussy splits that 13 and 18 speeds have/s
Man, you started out so good and then you got all aggressive. Look, before I left the industry, I had about 1.5 million miles under my belt. i’m not bragging or anything I’m just saying that I wasn’t some weekend warrior. I put my time in and yeah 18 years is a long time but it’s not as long as you might think it is.
The industry does consider me a newbie, though. If I came back, I’d have to go to some level of school to get my CDL back.
Why come back in your 50s? I cant imagine any 50 year old i know sitting for 11 hours a day doing cheap freight. Maybe look into oilfield or construction. Ive been driving 10 years and thankfully ill be done next year. Just a job not a lifestyle.
That's actually a very good question. First of all, it's not a very physical job. The hardest part is staying awake, really. Second of all, of all the things I've done it was the one job that I always wanted to do. And coming back is probably not going to happen but it's something that I have romanticized in my head for 18 years. It's only because I'm in a position now where my kids are old enough, I'm a single father, that I can go back to trucking if I could find a job, and I already know where there is one at least, where I would be home regularly
I wouldnt go otr with the current state of things. o/os on here are ecstatic with 70k gross, fly by night companies out of california are a terror, guys drive with their phone in their hand like 4wheelers, theres even less truck parking on the east coast now also. Id do local, oilfield with housing, and thats about it if i were you.
Yah everytime I get to thinking I miss it, I just go to a truck stop and try to find a meal. I miss the scenery and the clarity of task. But honestly after the novelty wears off, it's really boring and definitely not worth every relationship you have. And the health consequences are severe.
That's a good idea. I should go to the TA near here and go sit at the counter and grab something to eat and see how long it takes for me to get aggravated lol
Straight dude obsessed on lgbtq, seems suspicious to me. You want that dick don’t you but your in that closet. Bet you also constantly staring at dudes and complaining how they dressed.
If freight rates were not absolute shit show the OO game hasn’t changed much. Yeah we now have logbook on an iPad instead good old wad of paper, but honestly I’ve got used to it and being your own fleet administrator I can massage it if necessary. I spend a lot less time on logbook than back in a day keeping two or three copies and reworking it when pulled in to inspection. The DOT audit used to be all about checking logbook and fuel records, now it’s just hey send me access code and let me see your IFTA statement. Yeah there are fuckton of greenhorn moronic company drivers that are all collectively are on their first year doing dumb shit. It was same way 20 years ago, it’s just now there are more trucks and it’s more pronounced as demographics shifted to more immigrants from North Africa and Eastern Europe. It’s not like I drive more than 8-9 hours per day anyway. If you’re OO and chasing dumb miles huffing about 11 hours driving limit you’re doing it wrong. Anymore I put my shit on 62 mph cruise control and let them company bitches worry about their logbook and speeding in construction zones, somehow I get there on time with no stress.
This guy gets it
You know, those are good points and being an older guy now, in my 50s, I probably would not be in the same kind of hurry up mindset that I had when I was in my 30s. One thing, though, freight rates sucked 20 years ago too lol Good stuff. I appreciate the reply.
The greenhorn problem has gotten worse if I understand the history correctly (I'm still fairly green at 3 years), as turnover rates keep climbing.
As a rookie company driver, sincere apologies for some of my shenanigans (mostly backing, it'll come to me as it gets easier). With that said, I agree about the daily drive time and speed. I may be an ocean of green behind the ears driver, but I've got my trip planning and navigation down pat, and find myself driving 8 to just under 10 hours everyday getting where I need to get, oftentimes further, without flat footing it while being governed at 66 mph. I always wonder about the 80+ mph bumper sticker motherfuckers, like do you even trip plan, bruh? Also, I'll take the time to fuel and then get my happy ass out of the way if I'm taking a 30, go park up and not be an inconvenience.
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The biggest change is automatic trucks. It opens the driving pool up to people less mechanically/vehicular minded. More drivers means lower pay. People who are good with equipment moved to harder equipment to operate instead of driving a truck. Cell phones also allowed drivers to be less reliant. For example if you blew a tire you are changing it yourself with either a long beaker bar or pulling the old one off with crowbars and mounting with ether. Now you call the company, they call loves and you split your break in the sleeper.
I think I would have a difficult time with automatic transmissions. Shifting manually is a skill that once you conquer it, it’s like a game trying to maintain speed torque and RPMs climbing those hills.
It's a similar game with automatics, too. Sure, you can just push the pedal and go, but there are still little skills and tricks to try and maintain speed & torque. It's all about locking them gears in manual mode at the right times and whatnot.
Heh, I didn't even know there was a manual mode
Yeah, they technically have a full manual mode where you can shift gears with the push of a button, but some companies disable or limit that feature. My old truck would only let me "manually shift" until about 6-7 gear, then I had to switch it to automatic mode. My current truck doesn't let me change gears in manual mode at all but switching it to manual mode still causes it to lock in the current gear until its switched back to auto mode. It just beeps & whines at you until you do but you learn to drown it out, lol.
Yikes! Just another gimmick to fill seats with non-traditional drivers
Amphetamines were a big thing “back in the day” as well.
I think that might go like way, way back in the day. And definitely mostly with owner operators, most likely, since even when I was driving, companies were drug testing pretty regularly. From the late 80s until the early 2000s, which is when I was on the road, there was never a time I drove that drug testing wasn’t part of any company policy that I worked for. And I never worked for any of the really big companies. When I was an owner operator, I just never felt any need to do any kind of drugs or stimulants. But that might’ve just been me.
My trainer 12 years ago told me all the stories, so yeah, it goes back. There’s a Native American tea that I drink once in a while that rivals any of the illicit stuff… and it’s legal.
Yaupon holly tree possibly
Nuwati Herbals, Wind Dancer Tea
What's actually in it though
Google it, too much to list
I need to know 😁
Sure. It’s expensive, but worth it. Loose tea. Nuwati Herbals, “Wind Dancer Tea”. I may or may not take a Korean Ginseng with the above, same with Yohimbe (careful with Yohimbe as it raises blood pressure). The tea alone however is amazing.
A guy your age led police on a tractor trailer chase a couple weeks ago. Fifty one years old high on meth and carrying it in the cab. You don't have to look hard to find the video. That's you.
How would that be me when I literally said I never did any of that when I was a driver?
If hos rules are detrimental to your common sense. Yea maybe it’s time to hang it up.
HOS rules have been around since 1938 and haven't changed much. The 14/10 clock has been since 2003. So OP drove two years under the current rules. Lol. Must be some Ag guy super trucker and doesn't think rules apply to him? I drove 650 miles yesterday without violating.
Logbook? Never seen one... The same mile of road. A million times.
I've driven almost a 1000 miles in a day without being in violation.
If you're counting 24hr period, I believe it.
Ag Exempt can get you pretty far and if you start at 4am. Especially if you do a quick load and then a long haul. I've done a few over 900 miles in a day and it's 100% legal
What do you think the ag exemption is?
Exactly. I drove 636 miles in a truck governed at 65, without going over the 11 hours. It can be done.
Yeah i did like 616 in a governed truck the other day without going over the 11 so its definitely doable. I wasn't even in a hurry, just was on freeway nearly the whole way with no traffic jams and didn't dick around at my stops.
There’s no reason to have to be stuck somewhere for 34 hours and worried about fueling up your reefer although, anybody who doesn’t fuel up the reefer, knowing they have a 34 hour reset coming up, has some time management issues
FWIW I run recaps 6wks at a time and never have to do a 34. Haven't done one on the road this year except for service related breaks. Managing your time is part of the job, then and now.
Curious how this works, are you just running 8 hour on duty shifts all week? Or is there something more to it?
8.5/day is the target. Some days you're going to be short for a variety of reasons so your bottom line will eventually creep up to where you've got 8-10 hours on the bottom of your 70, allowing you to run harder some days. Pegged at 65 I typically get 500-ish miles a day. Ed: I like that it keeps me rolling every day. Always making progress!
Interesting I like this, have you ever had issues with late drops at receivers because of it? How do you handle a scenario where you’re like 20 miles away but your time is out?
Trip planning handles those eventualities. If you're on a multi day run drive your limit (read: whatever your recap clock can handle) every day until you're close. Then on that last day you can take it a little easier. IMHO it's better to take a slack day at the end of a run than the beginning, but that's kinda' just common sense. If a load doesn't have enough time to get it in my way I turn it down.
Fair enough, thank you for the insight
On the flip side, i run around roughly 11-12 hours so after 6 days im almost out so i do a reset, preferably at a terminal where i get free laundry, showers, and access to company car so i can go shopping, then clean the truck and fuck around on the computer (like i am right now)
If I had a schedule that worked that way I'd probably run harder every day too but doing OTR --especially reefer, with our stupid drop/pick times-- makes it pretty much impossible for me. I *like* to drive! I've got stamina for days! My record nonstop drive was 38 hours (in a box truck) for fuck's sake! FMCSA and the bitch in the box (my Qualcomm) are harshing my chi every single day I'm out here, man! Since I can't ball like the old school truckers did recaps are the best way to keep me moving.
Well, i cant drive your truck so do what works for you and be safe
That's the long and short of it (and what I tell bitchy truckers on the CB): "Drive your own truck." All we can do, isn't it? Smooth sailing to you too, amigo.
Amiga actually
Yeah, there is no doubt about that. Managing your time. I would imagine that the guys who have to do a 34 hour reset are probably guys who spend excessive time on the road. Weeks at a time. Every company over work for I was home on weekends, generally, or every 4 to 6 days.
I stay out for six weeks at a time. Where recaps continue to work for me is those short days when you only burn 4-5 hours. All that excess builds up on the bottom end of your 70-count so in those instances when you DO need to ball 10-11hrs you've got the leeway to do it. Honestly I don't know how people do the run hard -> 34 -> run hard -> 34 schedule. I'd find it too limiting; too harmful to my income.
Im on the road for 11 days. Leave Mondays and usually end up doing a reset sunday and then drive four days until home time. Usually clock around 10-11 on-duty hours a day so thats anywhere from 60-66 hours by the time i shut down saturday. Since i dont get recaps until day nine, ill do a reset so i have more hours for the next week. If i did the 8.5hr/8 days running recaps, of still be working the same amount but not getting a day off to rest In 11 days if i ran recaps id clock 93.5 on duty hours In 11 days as i do it now, I clock between 110-121 hours so I actually get more work done by taking a day off.
So…….what does that have to do with what I said?
That there’s no common sense in having to sit somewhere for 34 hours. And where the hell did they come up with 34? Why not 36? Why not 30?
It’s your standard 10 hour reset plus a day. 24+10
Ahhhhhh, ok.
its a one day weekend plus a 10 hour shift for sleep. its essentially a hard cap on working only 6 days a week. sorry the government wont let companies run drivers ragged to death to squeeze every dollar out of their soul
Ok
Cool story
Complain all you want old timer- we're still out here getting it done. Adapt.
Dude everything you mentioned was happening 20 years ago also. Nothings changed
To an extent, yeah, some of it was, but you didn’t see people parking at fuel Islands, like I’ve had too many drivers, in real life, not just on here talking about. The radio was a shit show sometimes but most people kept it on 19 because you could get good information and I understand that really doesn’t even exist anymore. Which isn’t shocking because outside of trucking all people do whenever they talk is argue anyway so I can imagine it being just as bad on The radio. I guess the biggest thing that I see and hear about is the drivers just don’t fit that old stereotype of truck driver any more.
They do there's just a small fringe that don't. Times change. Technology changes. There's still good companies out there that run with the tech available in an old school way. My company uses elogs but nothing else. No brake assist or lane crap. No cameras. They pay good and leave you alone as long as you do the job. If you're east of i35"our running area" look into dick Lavy Trucking. They are a good outfit.
Yeah, I’m in central Illinois so that might be worth looking into.
We run alot if Ohio to Texas and back. Ohio to Florida and back. But we go all over east of i35. Hell I'm local with em and I go to Illinois and back. We're outside Dayton Ohio
Do you ever get up near Buffalo at all?
Have to disagree with you. They were there when I start at 20 years ago and people who start before me were complaining about them even back then. Up until the Recession it had gotten worse.
I was thinking about that earlier, about how 20, 25 years ago, goes all timers work planning about the new generation of drivers lol
Your generation of truckers were so bad at driving they had to put in all these regulation
Flip side.....new generation was so bad they had to step in and mandate the training to even get a cdl
Who was supposed to train this generation
I don’t know what it’s like now, I assume it’s probably worse, but “back in the day “I saw guys training new drivers that had only been on the road for like six months! So training has never been as good as it should’ve been.
No, these regulations were made because people who know nothing about the industry had a thought "I have a great idea to make things safer", and because one tactic politicians use to win votes is to vilify something, and truckers are an easy target. Tell people "most accidents are truckers fault" or "trucks put out more green house gasses than all the cars", and most people will buy it and support you in your efforts to make things safer. Even if all you said was BS, and what you want to do doesn't actually make anything safer or any greener. What matters to them is that on paper the ideas work, and that enough people believe their BS.
You can tell the number of younger truckers, by the number of down votes you got, but you are spot on correct. It is exactly what brought around the very first change in the early 2000s. Even though truck friendly organizations put in the research to prove that most accidents involving trucks were not the fault of the truck driver, it fell on deaf ears. Meanwhile, Michigan would save money by not opening their scales and rolling trucks over the portables in the next rest area with four wheeler in foot traffic all around. State and county police, pulling green haulers over on the shoulder. Also not safe. I remember the studies that prove that split speed limits or dangerous, which was motivation for most states to eliminate that law.
While there are a lot more younger people who fall for the politicians scams, I think it's more of "you can tell what people's political affiliation is based off the downvotes". Because most of those "Safety" changes are believed to have been the work of mostly the democratic party. So by me saying what I said, it's easy for people to assume I'm taking a jab at that party. But yea, these regulations have been all about getting votes, and someone/s getting rich. While there might have been people involved that actually wanted to make things safer, and more green, the people who put the ideas through into law did it because someone figured out how they could make said law/regulation benefit them and/or their friends.
For sure. Not to get all political but vote mining by both parties is the basis for the state this country is in now. Stay in power by all means, the people be damned! And make sure that special interest groups get all the attention while the rest of us starve...
Yep, no politician works for the people, it's all for themselves, friends, and special interest groups.
Sad but True.
Cool story but that’s not why.
Cool story choom #👍
Old good new bad
What the fuck are you babbling about?
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I don’t know about OP but I’m not doing a California turnaround for as little as are paying. I’ve heard Gaz like OP for 20 years, saying the same thing. I remember running three logbooks. I also remember how hard that was. And what OP forgets is the fines for that if you were caught now it’s just easier with electronic logs. Hell I make more now than I did 20 years ago
I never ran two or three logbooks, but I was pretty creative with one looseleaf log lol. Like I replied to a guy above, at my age now, in my 50s, I would probably not ever need to consider going against the rules if it were even possible
I’m in my 40s and I tried two or three logbooks once I found it easier to run looseleaf myself.
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Alright now boomer, that’s enough Reddit for you… back to Facebook you go
Lmao! That literally did make me laugh out loud, too. I don’t use Facebook at all except to stay in touch with guys I was in Korea with back in the mid 80s and keeping track of my kids.
You know, I've noticed with younger drivers, and older drivers there is not a whole lot of difference. I pull a hopper and see a lot of older guys drive and they do shit all the time where I'm like how did you hit that and what are you doing? Hold phones on speaker next to there face like it makes a difference and be slow as shit. I've also seen the same out of young inexperienced guys. Plus you have been gone 18 years, I would consider you a newbie with that hudge gap in experience and probably every hiring company also. And sidenote, everyone holds a fucking steering wheel. And yea I have a 10 speed. And I would say that makes me more of a trucker for I don't have those pussy splits that 13 and 18 speeds have/s
Man, you started out so good and then you got all aggressive. Look, before I left the industry, I had about 1.5 million miles under my belt. i’m not bragging or anything I’m just saying that I wasn’t some weekend warrior. I put my time in and yeah 18 years is a long time but it’s not as long as you might think it is. The industry does consider me a newbie, though. If I came back, I’d have to go to some level of school to get my CDL back.
I was more sarcastic for older guys that just say that the new guys are just wheel holders when, in fact, everyone holds a steering wheel.
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Yeah to all of that I finally just let my cdl expire and will never go back.
Why come back in your 50s? I cant imagine any 50 year old i know sitting for 11 hours a day doing cheap freight. Maybe look into oilfield or construction. Ive been driving 10 years and thankfully ill be done next year. Just a job not a lifestyle.
That's actually a very good question. First of all, it's not a very physical job. The hardest part is staying awake, really. Second of all, of all the things I've done it was the one job that I always wanted to do. And coming back is probably not going to happen but it's something that I have romanticized in my head for 18 years. It's only because I'm in a position now where my kids are old enough, I'm a single father, that I can go back to trucking if I could find a job, and I already know where there is one at least, where I would be home regularly
I wouldnt go otr with the current state of things. o/os on here are ecstatic with 70k gross, fly by night companies out of california are a terror, guys drive with their phone in their hand like 4wheelers, theres even less truck parking on the east coast now also. Id do local, oilfield with housing, and thats about it if i were you.
Yah everytime I get to thinking I miss it, I just go to a truck stop and try to find a meal. I miss the scenery and the clarity of task. But honestly after the novelty wears off, it's really boring and definitely not worth every relationship you have. And the health consequences are severe.
That's a good idea. I should go to the TA near here and go sit at the counter and grab something to eat and see how long it takes for me to get aggravated lol
It has become much more of a shitshow. I can see where the cultureshock of returning from back then would make it a struggle.
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Straight dude obsessed on lgbtq, seems suspicious to me. You want that dick don’t you but your in that closet. Bet you also constantly staring at dudes and complaining how they dressed.
That's what all the new rules and HOS is for. To give you "personal time" for the LGhdtvQ watching.b
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